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Paul English Live 091726,,-Yin, Yang, and the Future of Community with Anna Isabelle, Didi Hilliard, and Dr. Miles Fleetwood · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
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  Unknown: Doo doo doo.
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  Unknown: Have you?
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  Yeah. Have you had a doo doo doo? Oh, dear. We can't have that.
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  Unknown: I've had a bit of a doo doo doo, you know.
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  That ended quite early, didn't it? Oh, look at the time.
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  Good grief. Okay. Gotta press a few buttons. Here we go.
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  What do I wanna do?
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  Well, hello everybody, and good evening. Welcome to the show. It's it's Thursday, isn't it? Yeah. It is. It's Thursday again.
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  And
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  you know what? I was just thinking. I just went out for a little walk before the show started. Beautiful moon sitting over the sea,
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  and I just realized that it is the last
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  the last Thursday of the summer of two thousand and twenty six because next week will be
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  the twenty fourth. Look at me with the sums. I'm doing brilliantly, aren't I? Next week will be the twenty fourth,
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  and that means we're in awesome.
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  How about that? Isn't that exciting? Anyway, hopefully, you've all got your trousers and your skirts on or whatever you're wearing this afternoon, this evening, wherever you may be. Welcome to the show.
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  Well, I suppose in roustabout fashion, I should say we've got a cram packed show for you this evening, and it's actually true,
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  actually. Eric, of course, is sitting around in the in the waiting room. I'm gonna bring him on momentarily, but we've got three cracking guests lined up for tonight. There was only two up to about an hour ago. Anna Isabelle is gonna be joining us around about eight, ten minutes past day, in about five or ten minutes, something like that.
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  And then in hour two, we've got DD Hilliard who's gonna be joining us from Cabi, although there's a Cabi connection with Anna Isabelle as well. So it's all very incestuous this evening.
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  And then we're gonna be joined by the infamous Miles later on,
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  sometime just after 10:00.
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  Hello, everybody, and good evening. So it really is a beautiful evening. You know? It's been, we've had, we always like to start off with a bit of weather, at least I do anyway.
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  So,
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  we had lots of lovely, lovely, delicious rain this morning. It was proper rain. First one
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  first proper rainfall for, like, six months. We had a light smattering here and there, but it's brightened up lovely. I must do a weather broadcast. I just love it, I think. And the clouds are moving in from the west and blah blah blah blah blah. But as I was just saying, I've just been down the beach.
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  There's a beautiful half moon,
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  a bit like a Jaffa cake. Right? There's a half moon
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  sitting out over the sea, and the air is still a bit warm, which is really pleasant. So it's very, very refreshing down here.
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  Lots of fun domestic things to tell tell you about. I'm sure that's what you've tuned in for, but let me bring on Eric Von Essex, who's patiently waiting in the wings ready to have a shout. Good evening. Good evening,
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  Unknown: Eric. Hi. How are you, sir? Hello. I mustn't grumble. And it has been a beautiful day, isn't it? I mean, it we've had the same here. It's raining first thing in the morning.
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  And then we had some beautiful blue sky and white clouds.
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  It got really hot this afternoon, and they reckon we're in for another heat wave. El
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  Nino, is it? I can't pronounce it. Is it? That's supposed to be it's gonna be one of the worst or
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  we've had for years. So it'll either bring us a terribly harsh winter or a very mild So
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  Unknown: your guess is about as good as mine. The bets are on, Oh, I don't know what they're gonna do. I wouldn't mind a harsh one. There we go. It's easy
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  saying it this, and we've just had six months of apparently glorious weather, but I must I've enjoyed the last few weeks more. It's just cooled down a bit. I agree. It feels more normal, like, for the time of the year, whereas the sun was just weird to me, but then I am very, very old. But it does seem a little bit it it seemed a bit weird. I've I've got I've had lots of domestic fun though this week.
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  To get to the studio, it's awfully grand, isn't it? I the radio shed here,
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  has until the last couple of days been a relatively recent affair.
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  A very easy affair, I should say,
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  because all I had to do was,
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  pop out, open the the
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  back door, as they say,
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  and I used to pop out and it was all of two yards walk. That was my morning commute into the shed no longer, for the the kitchen door has given up the ghost. It's been hanging by one hinge for about
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  eighteen years.
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  My god, that hinge has done a good job. You couldn't tell unless, you know, I pointed out to you. So it's been hanging by hinge. Anyway, gave up the ghost, The one remaining hinge gave up the ghost, I think, on Monday.
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  And
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  so I've had to completely sort of lock the door totally. It's all in place because we don't want, you know, caterpillars and badgers and dragons walking into the kitchen. That would be a terrible state of affairs. So I now have a much longer walk, Eric. You'll be pleased to know I have to go out the Yeah. Front
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  Yeah. It's all the way around. I'm losing weight already. My it's about 15 yards now to walk to the studio. It's it's quite a thing. I'm a bit tired out to be quite honest.
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  So yeah, that's all been fun, and of course it turns out that my door is not a standard door. I measured it up and thought, oh I'll get a door then, You know, that's what you think. So
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  I measured it up and I've gone on the websites to go, oh no, this is a unique custom designed door. And I went to one place, I thought, he said build your own, design your own. So I did put all the measurements in the glass, everything, and it came back with a price.
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  Do you know what price it came back with? Probably looked like someone's phone number, the price. It was nuts,
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  it was £1,546.
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  What?
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  Unknown: What?
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  But did you say it to them, I only want one, I don't want a dozen.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  £1,546
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  for a door.
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  Unknown: My word.
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  Unknown: We're missing a tricky. I need to get the door business, don't you think? I mean, it's just people are always opening and closing them, aren't they? Are Close still close case, isn't it? But when you think about it,
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  Unknown: machines
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  now build
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  doors. They just pull the details in, the machine goes bang bang crash wallop. There's there's very little
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  carpentry, real carpenters
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  dealing with the doors. So you would have thought that I got a lot cheaper.
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  No. They don't haven't. This is the weirdest thing.
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  Unknown: We've we've got a good friend who is a skilled carpenter. I
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  was talking to my sons. We know him quite well. He's a lovely chap. I won't mention him on there. But they said, well you could you could talk to him, but if you if you start a conversation with him, it'll probably never end.
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  He's known to have a short chat like two and a half hours. I'm going, okay. But I don't know, I've got to think it through. So it's been fun. And then I went down the lumber yard or the timber yard today to see if they could help me out with the door. They said no. I said, well, haven't you got a big rig that could plane down a door that's slightly too big? And they said, oh, you need to go and see Matt. I said, of course, I do. He said, he's over there in that office. So I trotted over the yard. Go up the stairs. I said, is Matt in? Oh, no. He's just taking his lunch break. He won't be back for an hour. I said,
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  I'll
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  come back Saturday morning. Yeah. I will. You know, I think it could be done. So very exciting news for you all out there.
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  You can do it yourself.
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  Unknown: You can do it yourself. There I've actually found a quick way of building a door,
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  and that's using is it GRP boards?
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  And you have a board, and you've just clad the outside of it. And I won't go into the full details now. No. I'm a great I actually built I actually built one for my
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  my neighbor's garden gate.
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  Unknown: I'll do a little of backdoor chat with you a bit later, Harry. Okay. To the show. Okay.
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  Unknown: Or if you're suffering from insomnia when doctor Fleetwood comes on, this could be a good cure for insomnia, us talking about doors and sheds. That that
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  Unknown: people are looking for the I know they've all tuned in for door chat this week and they're all very excited. A big pleasant surprise for you all, no doubt, talking about doors
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  because you know you got to talk about these sorts of things. Yeah that's fine. Anyway
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  what was that else was there something else that I had to do oh yeah I haven't done the old sort of intro and everything so you listen to Paul English live we're going out over W B N 324 and of course fftradio.com
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  we're also on rumble and YouTube we're on Eurofolk Radio,
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  we're on Global Voice Network I think, Paul's in the studio although he might be moving so I've got to just check
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  and
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  where else?
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  I don't know a few other places as well. Aren't you on
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  Holy Land Radio? Yeah I'm on Holy Land Radio as well. Holy Land Radio FM
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  Unknown: as well,
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  Rumble,
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  YouTube.
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  Unknown: You're
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  very good at this and look if you want to chat at any point we've got three chat rooms you know we like to offer you plenty of chat rooms so there's one on YouTube, there's one on Rumble, and FFT Radio's got its own chat room,
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  which people are still in the process of discovering. If you go to fftradio.com,
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  the chat room link is the bottom right hand corner. Click it, and you can get there. And I'm looking at all three of them in a slightly wonky way tonight because my eyes are funny. No, it's just a bit wonky, but there we go. Anyway,
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  welcome and,
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  now for our guest, Anna Isabelle, just I'm gonna put her on the stage,
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  all the spotlights and everything momentarily, but she kindly sent me over some little notes about herself which is the first time I think a guest has ever done that.
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  It's probably because they don't have them, but it's great. I'll just read you a few little things. Anna Isabelle is an astrologer, hypnotherapist,
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  teacher, writer and broadcaster.
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  She combines hypnotherapy and astrology to help unblock repressed aspects of the personality
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  as well as working on the links between the birth chart, karma and pre birth experiences.
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  Anna has worked in a clinical environment and continues to work closely with various doctors to help patients with stress induced conditions
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  and she's the winner of the astrological associations Carter Memorial Award in 2017
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  and I spoke, with Anna,
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  earlier this week. We had a great little self intro chat. I don't know whether we're gonna be talking about that or not, because there are all sorts of other things that we touched upon.
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  But Anna, hello. Good evening and, welcome to the show.
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  Unknown: Good evening. It's lovely to be here. It's lovely to have you. Fantastic.
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  Unknown: Do do you like today's picture for the show? I picked it specially given our chat the other day.
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  Unknown: Can you see it on the screen? I have been I have been looking at it
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  very intently. Yes.
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  Unknown: Yeah. It's it's good. Anybody that can that can paint that amount of petals, you've got to worry for them.
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  Just for those of you that do sometimes ask me where did these paintings come from? Of course, I just knocked these out over ten or fifteen minutes on a Tuesday morning. Now this is by a guy called Lawrence Alma Tadema.
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  What a name. I think I've featured some of his things before. Lawrence Alma Tadema, brilliant painter from the late eighteen hundreds.
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  So there you go. Anyway, Anna Isabel,
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  what is it that we were talking about the other day that you wanted to set as the tone for for the show? There was something that was on your mind, wasn't there? Well, yes. I I guess, you know,
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  Unknown: being an astrologer,
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  astrology is a fascinating
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  subject because people think it's all about star signs, but it isn't. Isn't exclusively about that. It is a symbolic language
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  which
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  is
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  all about
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  understanding
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  our place in the cosmos,
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  if I can put it like that. So yes, you know, there is ancient psychology
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  linked with it.
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  And Carl Jung, for instance,
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  drew on a lot of astrological
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  symbolism.
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  And in fact, to this day,
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  personalities,
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  personality tests that people might do like the
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  Maya Briggs
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  personality test, they're based on astrological
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  archetypes.
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  So this is, so there is that side of it. Right. But then, you know, people also ask,
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  well, where did it all start? And that's where it gets very interesting
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  because what astrology is, is
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  an understanding of theologies of different times and cosmology.
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  And so consequently,
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  there's a very strong philosophical
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  and historical
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  side to astrology.
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  And embedded within it
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  are
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  understandings
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  of
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  what the soul is and
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  different energies and how they express themselves
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  in
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  humanity
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  and
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  also in our interactions
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  with
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  deities. And that's where it becomes, you know, we call it mythology. Once upon a time that would have been
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  the average person's theology.
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  So there's And a lot in
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  consequently,
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  I do a lot of thinking.
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  I do a lot of thinking about
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  the
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  deeper side of things because I teach, I teach astrology, I write about astrology.
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  And I also,
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  I'm a therapist. So
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  I'm always thinking.
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  And
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  of late, I have been pondering very much on
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  the
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  different
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  approaches
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  that societies
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  have had
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  to life
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  and their relationship with the world and with nature
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  throughout history
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  and
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  how that links in
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  with
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  what in, I guess, Chinese
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  philosophy would be called yin and yang energy,
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  we would see it as male female energy.
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  And I choose to use the Chinese term so that we're not stuck in the man woman
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  paradigm
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  because
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  all of us have
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  personalities
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  that are going to be more one way or the other, more yin or more yang.
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  And
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  and I I started to ponder on this
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  and thought, you know what? We need to move beyond
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  the paradigm that has been
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  prevalent
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  in our view of the world
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  for
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  millennia now.
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  And
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  what I
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  mean by that is
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  that there is a certain way of relating to the world, which is
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  power based.
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  It's about domination.
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  It's about control.
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  And we
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  can see this not just in our own relationships
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  as human beings,
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  but just our relationship with nature,
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  where nature is something to be conquered,
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  dominated,
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  where nature is something to be used.
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  And it's not that I'm going all woolly and green in the political sense. That is not what I'm saying.
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  What I am saying, though, is that
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  this
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  has led to a very materialist
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  point of view. And I'm not saying materialistic as in, you know, no money and communism.
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  No. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is materialist
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  as in there is no soul to anything
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  and everything has is no longer nothing is sacred,
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  including human life anymore.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Unknown: And
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  looking back
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  at history,
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  there were
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  societies
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  that
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  did things differently.
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  So
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  the
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  druids, for instance,
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  was an Druids actually were teachers.
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  We think about druids as being a belief system
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  now.
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  But druids were teachers
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  and
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  they were teachers in their communities.
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  So I guess the parallel to that would be a shaman
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  who is a teacher, a guide for the community.
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  These were not hierarchical societies.
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  The Cathars were not hierarchical
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  in the way that they did things.
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  Right. Yes, they were people who had the job of organizing
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  but
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  they
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  believed
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  in,
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  and they lived
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  equality as in a respect for everybody
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  and not in terms of status.
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  So I've been thinking a lot about that and that's how our conversation started.
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  Unknown: It is.
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  It is. The the druid,
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  I'm not that is interesting actually because I was on a little chat thing last night, someone said to me, are you a druid? Because I've written some comments
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  about the history of
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  scripture.
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  They were little general things. Are you a druid? I said not that I know of,
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  although I used to work with a druid, but I understood
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  I mean, you'd know better than me, obviously, so I'm asking really. I think I read somewhere it took about thirty years or something to acquire all the knowledge to be a
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  I don't know, a high priest of druidry. I don't know if that was the terminology that they used,
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  But of course it's very closely associated well with these lands and with all the Celtic sort of lands and even into France I think and all around that part of the world. Isn't it? Or does it extend even further than that?
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  Unknown: I think the with this actually, the the original Druids were pre Celtic.
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  So,
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  you know, we we can see that because there are stone
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  the hinges that we are familiar with, we think about Stonehenge,
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  but there are others that are much, much older
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  and that
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  definitely precede the Celtic
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  incursion on the British Isles.
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  So this is a very old
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  belief system.
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  There were, again,
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  were no gods. It was about
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  the relationship
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  with nature, understanding the cycles of nature, working with nature.
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  And so all the magic that we think of
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  in association with the druids was really about understanding
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  how to
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  work with the energies of the earth, the sun, the moon and
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  the seasons and everything else that went with it.
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  So
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  that's a whole
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  And again, it's
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  a very gentle
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  approach.
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  So if we're thinking for example about yin energy,
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  which would be female
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  energy,
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  this energy
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  is not a
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  task oriented energy.
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  So for example, in the
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  dog training world, there can be some very heated debates about the approach to training.
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  So you have trainers who use force
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  you have trainers who
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  are really only
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  concerned with getting the dog to do
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  either by force or in a kinder way would be through rewards, reward methods to motivate the dog to do what you want it to do. But either way, that approach
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  is
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  totally
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  focused on
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  getting the dog to do what you want it to do.
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  Whereas there are other
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  behaviorists
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  who are going to say, excuse me, no, this is an emotional being.
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  It is
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  a there is a consciousness here
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  and
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  without going all woo woo, they're emotional.
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  So if a dog isn't doing what you want it to do,
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  then you've got to ask why. Is he emotionally shut down?
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  Because, you know, he's been traumatized.
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  Is it that he's not understanding what you're saying? Is it that they're naturally very impulsive and
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  he's naturally very impulsive and you're not actually knowing how to motivate him to slow down?
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  That would be a yin approach.
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  The other would be a yang approach.
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  So yang is very direct.
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  It wants results. It's task oriented and it's brilliant if you want to build,
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  if you want to,
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  you know, do certain types of projects.
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  Yin energy however, as I've said, it has a more holistic
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  view
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  and is more collaborative
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  in its approach to things.
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  So it's slower,
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  it's more introspective,
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  it's
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  more intuitive.
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  And both energies
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  are equally important
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  in different contexts.
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  And the idea or the ideal would be that the two
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  work together
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  in a kind of dance.
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  So that
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  Unknown: A bit like a husband and wife when it really works. A bit like a husband and wife. And in fact, in alchemy, we have
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  Unknown: the symbol of the alchemical king and queen,
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  which is that, you know, when everything has been separated and all the diverse parts are understood and
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  you know, purified,
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  you come back together again as the alchemical king and queen, yin and yang united which is why in so many of the Hermetic texts you always see the king and queen with the sun and the moon. So it is exactly that idea of bringing together
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  yin and yang.
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  And unfortunately,
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  historically what has happened
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  is that we have grown to value the yang way of doing things
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  to
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  excess.
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  So you think about
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  history,
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  how much history is actually taught
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  about
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  societies
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  that do not operate
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  in
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  a conquest type
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  parameter.
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  Unknown: Very little.
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  Very, at very
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  Unknown: all. I certainly never learned about any of it in school.
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  And
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  if anything,
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  it's all about empire building.
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  So there were the Egyptians, there was the Egyptian empire and before that the Babylonian empire and the Assyrian empire and the Persian empire. And we have the Greek Empire and the Roman Empire.
• 25:20
  And actually we really are the remnants of the Roman Empire or are we the remnants? I think we still are very much in that Roman Empire.
• 25:28
  And then of course there's British Empire. And then let's not call it the American Empire, but hey.
• 25:35
  Unknown: They've been given the job of having that label most
• 25:38
  recently, but it's all a bit strange, yeah. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Unknown: I think this is the
• 25:46
  model
• 25:47
  of
• 25:48
  society
• 25:50
  that we have grown up with. And this is not about woke politics.
• 25:55
  It is simply about understanding
• 25:59
  that
• 26:00
  these values
• 26:02
  are not serving us.
• 26:03
  This is not about saying that our history is bad and it's not about toppling statues and it's not about, you know, flailing ourselves for, you know, having had an empire once upon a time.
• 26:14
  It's not But about
• 26:16
  it is about recognizing
• 26:18
  that there is something a bit whiffy about it all.
• 26:22
  And what it is, is force.
• 26:26
  Because
• 26:28
  if we want to move beyond
• 26:31
  this history
• 26:33
  which has led us to where we are now, where nothing is sacred
• 26:38
  and
• 26:39
  the corruption around us is so huge.
• 26:43
  And we understand
• 26:45
  very clearly,
• 26:46
  I'm sure everybody listening
• 26:48
  to this radio show or this radio station is well aware
• 26:53
  of the tyranny that is planned
• 26:56
  Unknown: for So
• 27:00
  Unknown: what it is, is history repeating itself.
• 27:04
  And if we're going to
• 27:07
  have any chance of moving beyond this history,
• 27:11
  we have to take a different approach.
• 27:14
  This isn't about feminism,
• 27:16
  it's not, you see all of that stuff has elements
• 27:19
  of truth in it.
• 27:21
  But it's all been co opted and twisted
• 27:24
  to manipulate us and to divide us and Doesn't being it all of take
• 27:30
  Unknown: place within this context of excessive yang
• 27:33
  as it were that
• 27:35
  you were stressing that ultimately that the the foundation has been yang for quite some time. You mentioned a a couple of minutes ago
• 27:43
  about
• 27:43
  civilizations
• 27:44
  or societies that had lived the other way,
• 27:48
  and I can't name one. So I was hoping that you might be able to or at least spark me off on the list of The the
• 27:54
  Unknown: that
• 27:55
  is
• 27:56
  one of the ones that is best known and yet very few people know about it is
• 28:03
  Kathars.
• 28:03
  So the Cathars
• 28:06
  were in the Languedoc,
• 28:07
  the Southern, Southwestern
• 28:10
  part of France around the, So near the
• 28:13
  that bit of France, so West Of Provence.
• 28:17
  And
• 28:18
  they were
• 28:20
  an incredibly
• 28:22
  successful
• 28:23
  and wealthy
• 28:27
  society.
• 28:29
  They
• 28:31
  had
• 28:33
  what looks like a hierarchy from the sense in the sense that there were there were, you know, knights and dukes and everything.
• 28:40
  Mhmm. But where they were different and not as
• 28:46
  it because
• 28:47
  it did not rely
• 28:49
  Your status and the money that you had
• 28:53
  did not determine necessarily
• 28:57
  what you were allowed to do in society.
• 29:01
  So we're talking here about the Middle Ages incidentally.
• 29:05
  Unknown: So we're talking Yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask you, when are the What's the dates? I mean, kinda but knew if you know the dates a little bit more So it's 1100,
• 29:13
  Unknown: Right. 1100, twelve hundreds.
• 29:16
  And they had
• 29:18
  I I think that their roots were in in Gnosticism.
• 29:23
  So the idea was that
• 29:27
  so this is not necessarily a pure People think that the Gnostics were all the same and they all believed one thing.
• 29:34
  Actually society
• 29:35
  at that time and in ancient times was extremely plural.
• 29:39
  And so there were different strains of
• 29:43
  same beliefs and exactly the same thing with Christianity.
• 29:46
  So many Gnostics were actually Christians as were the Cathars.
• 29:50
  So there's this sense then
• 29:53
  that
• 29:54
  there were different ways of interpreting
• 29:56
  certain beliefs.
• 29:58
  And so we have a kind of Gnostic strain
• 30:03
  and
• 30:05
  which held that
• 30:09
  source is both male and female.
• 30:12
  And
• 30:13
  that
• 30:15
  the idea is that
• 30:18
  the physical world that we all know
• 30:22
  was kind of accidentally
• 30:23
  created,
• 30:25
  and that's why it's imperfect. And I'm not going to go into all the different theological
• 30:31
  Unknown: interpretations. No, there's quite a few on that one, isn't there? Exactly. There's quite a few encyclopedia
• 30:35
  sized volumes on that stuff. Exactly. I know it's,
• 30:37
  you could spend the rest of multiple lives reading all that There's
• 30:41
  a lot of it, yeah.
• 30:43
  Unknown: So, but the idea, where this becomes interesting is that
• 30:49
  Sofia
• 30:50
  is considered to be
• 30:53
  an emanation
• 30:54
  of source,
• 30:56
  the original So
• 30:58
  there's Sofia and what we would
• 31:01
  call maybe Christos energy. So it's male female, that source.
• 31:06
  And that because
• 31:08
  Sofia
• 31:10
  is at least partly responsible
• 31:13
  for this accidental
• 31:14
  creation of this world,
• 31:17
  She
• 31:18
  comes in
• 31:20
  and
• 31:20
  through nature and is constantly trying to remind us
• 31:25
  of the fact that we
• 31:28
  have a spark of light within us.
• 31:31
  And that that spark of light
• 31:33
  is
• 31:35
  source within us all. And that if we remember that,
• 31:39
  then we don't need to
• 31:41
  have fear and we don't need
• 31:44
  to fight, we don't need to dominate, we don't need to do any of the things that we otherwise do. So this is the yin energy that comes in. Anyway, so this
• 31:53
  is important because the cathars
• 31:57
  then for that reason
• 32:01
  did not favor
• 32:03
  yang energy exclusively,
• 32:06
  but also honored yin. And the way that we know this for instance, is that
• 32:12
  there would have been,
• 32:14
  I guess for lack of a better term, high priestesses.
• 32:19
  And
• 32:20
  they chose
• 32:22
  the knights.
• 32:24
  So they chose the knights
• 32:27
  not on the basis of lineage
• 32:30
  or money
• 32:31
  but on the basis of let's say purity of heart.
• 32:37
  And the knight's job was yes, to protect society
• 32:41
  as a whole
• 32:42
  but it was also to
• 32:44
  lead in integrity
• 32:46
  and to
• 32:49
  foster good relations.
• 32:51
  And as I say, the Languedoc was very prosperous
• 32:54
  and they
• 32:55
  were
• 32:56
  very pluralist
• 32:58
  in their accommodation
• 32:59
  of other cultures and other faiths.
• 33:02
  It's one of the reasons why they were so prosperous
• 33:05
  because it meant that trade was very much there. And for those who are interested,
• 33:13
  if
• 33:15
  you're interested in
• 33:18
  the whole culture of the troubadours and
• 33:21
  romantic love and everything from that time.
• 33:26
  Unknown: It lovely that? Isn't it lovely though?
• 33:28
  It it made a strong impression on me when I was a schoolboy.
• 33:32
  All these things about chivalry and knights and princesses and the and the troubadours and the singing of tales. The whole thing seems magically much more fun than what we've got right now.
• 33:44
  Unknown: I know it's a bit of a lame way to describe it, but but it does. But you're you're right. And you know, one of and I never understood this then, but when I was at university and I was studying medieval French literature
• 33:57
  and I was looking at medieval texts by Cretien de Troyes and others,
• 34:04
  I
• 34:05
  remember,
• 34:06
  you know, one of my professors explaining
• 34:09
  that
• 34:10
  this was
• 34:14
  a female influence
• 34:16
  on
• 34:17
  the to soften
• 34:19
  the harshness
• 34:20
  of the warrior
• 34:23
  culture
• 34:23
  that was prevalent at the time.
• 34:26
  What I didn't realize then
• 34:28
  is that a lot of this
• 34:30
  came from the Qatar
• 34:32
  area. I mean, obviously I knew they came from the Languedoc, but I didn't know
• 34:36
  about the Cathars.
• 34:38
  And it's that
• 34:40
  idea
• 34:41
  of the feminine
• 34:45
  softening
• 34:46
  the masculine and the masculine holding
• 34:49
  and protecting the feminine so that the two are together that's embedded in that culture
• 34:54
  that comes through in those texts.
• 34:57
  Despite the fact that they were seriously tampered with later on by the Catholic church and, you know, and others.
• 35:05
  So, but the original,
• 35:08
  that original notion
• 35:09
  of chivalry
• 35:11
  does have its roots in this. So
• 35:14
  yes, that's an answer to, it's a very long answer to your question about chivalry.
• 35:20
  Sorry, not chivalry, but about
• 35:22
  a society
• 35:23
  that
• 35:24
  is
• 35:25
  different in its approach.
• 35:28
  But that is, you know, that's there.
• 35:31
  Our
• 35:32
  history
• 35:32
  in our literature as well.
• 35:35
  Unknown: I've got to tell you that I'm it's one of the areas that I've not really as yet, given that times left looked at.
• 35:42
  I'm familiar with the term and I know that they kind of came to grief at the hands
• 35:47
  of the the Roman Empire in its form at the time.
• 35:51
  Were they pushed out into England and places like that or were they just wiped out? No, the Cathars were very
• 35:58
  Unknown: much there and it was in the Middle Ages. This is well after the Roman
• 36:05
  Empire as we know it. The Roman Empire kind of
• 36:09
  morphed into
• 36:10
  the Catholic
• 36:12
  church. Yes. Yes, it did. And the Catholic church
• 36:16
  declared a crusade against the Cathars and
• 36:19
  called them heretic.
• 36:21
  I always thought, you know, when I was first studying history that this was, you know, a land grab because of the wealth of the Languedoc.
• 36:31
  Incidentally,
• 36:32
  they had a language that was unique to them as well. And that language
• 36:37
  is is very much
• 36:41
  linked with that that area of Barcelona in Spain, etcetera. There are there there are links Well, Basque region around there. The Basque, perhaps even, you know, we say that. But it's it's
• 36:53
  it was a really
• 36:57
  well
• 36:58
  known and respected
• 37:00
  society.
• 37:01
  And
• 37:02
  people gave up their wealth,
• 37:05
  you know, for the good of community, etcetera,
• 37:11
  to join the Cathars.
• 37:13
  So I always thought it was about money and I always thought it was about land because most things are. But I do think that there was a twist in this as well.
• 37:23
  Because like the Druids,
• 37:25
  the Cathars
• 37:28
  believed that you were responsible for yourself.
• 37:32
  And
• 37:34
  they also
• 37:35
  had a strong belief
• 37:38
  that there was to be no intermediary
• 37:40
  between you and the source of all life.
• 37:45
  And so, well, you know, that makes rather a few priests redundant
• 37:49
  in terms of the Catholic church.
• 37:52
  And so I think that that
• 37:54
  it was the fact that it was so successful,
• 37:57
  it was a threat. And then, of course, the the king in the North Of France was eyeing up the wealth in the South, and that is then where this crusade comes in. Yeah. And they they tried to get those who
• 38:12
  no so called noble blood in the Languedoc to
• 38:16
  turn against the people and they didn't. And
• 38:19
  this is where things started to go very badly wrong. And by the 1200s,
• 38:26
  it's it's now really,
• 38:29
  you know, become a war.
• 38:33
  They were a pacifist society,
• 38:37
  but
• 38:38
  feeling the
• 38:40
  military
• 38:41
  threat,
• 38:42
  they engaged.
• 38:44
  And in that engagement,
• 38:45
  of course, they were outnumbered
• 38:48
  and they they lost.
• 38:50
  So if you if you if you see the Castle Of Montsegur,
• 38:54
  Montsegur was the last to fall and it is on the highest pinnacle
• 38:58
  of
• 38:59
  the mountains in that area.
• 39:02
  There's a lot of
• 39:03
  energy
• 39:05
  at Montsegur
• 39:06
  as well. Carcassonne
• 39:08
  has been turned into a,
• 39:12
  I guess they've
• 39:13
  restored it so that it looks like what we believe it would have looked like in the Middle Ages.
• 39:21
  So these are the two,
• 39:23
  I guess most famous
• 39:25
  but the town of Toulouse,
• 39:27
  the town of Bezier,
• 39:29
  they're all still there. They were, you know, the Cathar stronghold
• 39:33
  and
• 39:36
  barbarism
• 39:36
  beyond what we would imagine
• 39:39
  happened in the in the in those attacks.
• 39:42
  So they were completely
• 39:44
  wiped out.
• 39:46
  And the and here's an interesting thing. I for one of my podcasts,
• 39:50
  I did an interview recently
• 39:52
  with somebody who lives now in the Languedoc,
• 39:56
  having kind of stumbled upon it for research for a television program.
• 40:02
  And that that was never made in the end. Okay. And it's
• 40:07
  and the
• 40:10
  the desire
• 40:11
  to wipe out the Cathars and the memory of the Cathars
• 40:15
  is so strong
• 40:17
  that the government of France has been told by UNESCO
• 40:20
  that the Languedoc will only get a
• 40:23
  special
• 40:25
  historical
• 40:27
  accolade
• 40:29
  if they
• 40:30
  wipe out if they wipe from all of their tourist literature any mention of the Cathars.
• 40:36
  Unknown: So the is recent. This is right now.
• 40:39
  Unknown: Within, you know, in the last, I think, year or so that it that
• 40:43
  we've discovered this. So UNESCO
• 40:45
  wants to make the longer dock, you know, an area of culture, protected culture,
• 40:50
  but will not have
• 40:52
  the name of the Cathars mentioned in its history.
• 40:56
  Unknown: Holy moly. That's really you know, there's a little phrase we throw around around here that you only get flack when you're over the target.
• 41:02
  So there's obviously something of of tremendous concern to them up there at their terrible top of their control grid. Would seem.
• 41:11
  Unknown: Right. And that's where, you know, this is where the this yin yang thinking I've been, you know, holding in my head comes in.
• 41:19
  Because here we are now
• 41:22
  where
• 41:23
  we're
• 41:25
  the threat
• 41:26
  of all out tyranny and basically a return to
• 41:30
  medieval
• 41:32
  peasant systems
• 41:36
  comes in the feudal system. This is a
• 41:39
  bid to return to feudalism.
• 41:41
  Unknown: Yes it is, it's high-tech neo feudalism.
• 41:44
  Unknown: It totally is.
• 41:45
  So we can call it what we like but that's what it would bring us to.
• 41:51
  And we have to make a choice
• 41:55
  because
• 41:57
  the choices we've made so far
• 42:00
  have led us here.
• 42:03
  And we need to
• 42:05
  consider
• 42:06
  that at the heart of this is what we value
• 42:09
  and ask ourselves, what do we value?
• 42:13
  And it's not that,
• 42:17
  you know, it's
• 42:18
  not that money
• 42:20
  is the root of all evil, although it can be.
• 42:24
  And it's not that power corrupts and corrupts absolutely
• 42:28
  because it can.
• 42:30
  We know all of this. It's there in our language, in the sayings that we have.
• 42:34
  Yes. But it's moving to a point where we think, okay.
• 42:39
  It's fear,
• 42:41
  greed,
• 42:42
  lack of trust,
• 42:44
  division,
• 42:46
  a lack of respect
• 42:49
  for everything that lives,
• 42:52
  that has led us here
• 42:54
  slowly,
• 42:54
  slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly. And
• 43:00
  how can we
• 43:03
  start valuing things
• 43:06
  differently?
• 43:08
  So, you know, there's all this
• 43:11
  thing about
• 43:13
  equal pay.
• 43:15
  But why is it that
• 43:20
  we value
• 43:21
  certain jobs more than others?
• 43:24
  And those jobs tend to be jobs that are involved in making money.
• 43:30
  So, you know, anything to do with economics, anything to do with banking,
• 43:34
  anything to do with making stuff.
• 43:37
  And then we want to build in a
• 43:41
  redundancy into a product because that means people will buy more. But we want to be screaming about saving the planet because hey, that's going to sell us, you know, help us to sell solar power, etcetera.
• 43:52
  Whilst at the same time,
• 43:54
  the redundancy is, you know, extracting resources that don't need to be extracted
• 44:00
  if we were,
• 44:01
  you know, recycle not recycling, but actually not building in redundancies.
• 44:05
  Unknown: You understand what I'm saying? I do. Yeah. I mean, the the whole space is so convoluted with
• 44:11
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 44:12
  Unknown: Multiple layers of lies that justify the previous one, and so no one ever gets the end of the sentence to ask the actual question of is it is all this actually necessary? Do we really need to live like this? It doesn't come up.
• 44:25
  Unknown: So, you know, it's this value system that's based on
• 44:30
  power
• 44:30
  and
• 44:32
  greed, really.
• 44:34
  It's not to say that the average person is wanting those things. I think the average person isn't,
• 44:39
  but it has been conditioned to believe that that's what's needed for survival.
• 44:45
  Unknown: Or happiness. Yep. Apparently, if you can get lots of new stuff, you will be happy. The adverts tell Yeah. You
• 44:51
  Unknown: Yeah. Exactly. So this is this is a problem. And
• 44:56
  coming back then to, you know, why aren't we valuing jobs that are
• 45:01
  about caring for others? You know, why is it that carers get paid so poorly when they work so hard and their job is self anomaly important?
• 45:09
  Why is it that,
• 45:11
  you know, we've always traditionally
• 45:14
  paid nurses,
• 45:15
  etcetera, lower? And these are all areas
• 45:19
  of
• 45:21
  work that traditionally
• 45:25
  women have been more attracted to
• 45:28
  because
• 45:30
  of it being a more yin approach
• 45:33
  to
• 45:34
  doing things.
• 45:36
  So this is where it comes in. And it's not to say that all women are very holistic and it's
• 45:42
  not that. I'm just saying
• 45:44
  biology favors one energy more than the other. And one is always more dominant
• 45:51
  than the other.
• 45:52
  And it could be that you're a woman with more yang and it could be that you're a man with more yin. You know, this is not about
• 45:59
  exclusively
• 46:00
  about biology.
• 46:01
  Although
• 46:02
  in terms of biology,
• 46:04
  yin does favor
• 46:07
  the female
• 46:08
  biology
• 46:09
  and yang does favor the male biology
• 46:13
  or the other way round, purely because
• 46:15
  if you're carrying a baby,
• 46:18
  you have to care for it. Therefore you have to have those nurturing instincts
• 46:23
  in there.
• 46:25
  And it's
• 46:26
  going to be more developed in some than others. So that's all I'm saying.
• 46:31
  But it's
• 46:32
  really about understanding
• 46:35
  that this imbalance
• 46:37
  has created a problem
• 46:39
  and that the only way we're going to move beyond making the same mistake again and again is by evening things out more.
• 46:48
  It's not even about saying one is toxic and the other one isn't, it's not. It's about an imbalance.
• 46:55
  Unknown: Yeah. You know, when you were speaking just then about
• 46:58
  the biology,
• 46:59
  it made me just think about well, of course, I know males, I suppose, better than females. I mean, men don't know anything about ladies, do we? Not really. It takes an awful long time.
• 47:10
  Hasn't for me. I I didn't feel as I was instinctively knowledgeable about the operations of of femininity
• 47:16
  and all these other things. I mean, you're doing other things when you're younger, but I know that when I've been around guys that are like 100%
• 47:24
  yang
• 47:25
  or very close to it,
• 47:27
  it's tedious,
• 47:28
  it's exhausting,
• 47:29
  and it seems completely out of balance. That is sort of like a manic it's like a jock, like a sports jock. There's something
• 47:37
  exhaustingly too
• 47:38
  simplistic about it. Of course, when you get a feminized males, that's exhausting as well. There is a blend. I just think you have to be predominantly Yang
• 47:46
  if you're of the my male biology. This is just a thought.
• 47:49
  I don't know what the ratio would be. Say, sixty forty or 65 or seventy thirty seems even better. You must be imbued with some of those feminine qualities for want of a better phrase. It's probably a better way to describe it Because without them, you can't actually respond to those other
• 48:05
  more empathetic and sympathetic parts of life. I don't think you can do it. And so,
• 48:10
  and somehow, I think the most courageous men
• 48:13
  are the ones that have that quality, but in spite of their concerns still go ahead and do courageous physical things or have done in the past, you know, and suffered for it and in that in in whatever way that they did suffer for it. I mean, idea that the Cathars I thought they were they were quite formidable as a fighting force, but I could be wrong about that. I mean,
• 48:32
  if there was a book or a couple of books that you would recommend that might be good primer for someone like me who's I I frankly admit, I don't know much about this period, but I'm very keen to now that you brought it up.
• 48:43
  Where should I start?
• 48:45
  Unknown: So off the top of my head, I cannot think of a single one. Oh, this is no good. No. You can't come on here and do this too. This is terrible. I had not anticipated
• 48:55
  that we would be talking about them, in such detail.
• 48:59
  But
• 49:00
  I am
• 49:03
  quickly
• 49:05
  looking
• 49:06
  for the
• 49:07
  title of
• 49:09
  the book of the gentleman that I
• 49:11
  had the good fortune
• 49:14
  to
• 49:15
  interview
• 49:16
  and
• 49:17
  I have read
• 49:19
  his book.
• 49:21
  So I think,
• 49:22
  yes,
• 49:24
  it is. And in fact, I can tell you right now
• 49:27
  his
• 49:28
  his name. Hello. And what
• 49:32
  His name is
• 49:34
  Richard Stanley.
• 49:36
  Unknown: Richard Stanley, everybody. Make a note of that. Richard Stanley. Yeah. I've got that.
• 49:41
  Unknown: And the the book
• 49:44
  is
• 49:47
  the Otto Ran Grail Hunter. Otto Ran Grail Hunter. So ostensibly,
• 49:52
  the book is about how Otto Ran, who was a Nazi,
• 49:57
  got
• 49:58
  involved in this idea to
• 50:00
  hunt for the Holy Grail.
• 50:02
  So, you know,
• 50:04
  and that takes
• 50:06
  him into Cathar country.
• 50:08
  But
• 50:09
  this is, although that is the premise on which the book is written,
• 50:13
  the
• 50:14
  history is all there of the area and of the people and of the beliefs and how the society ran.
• 50:21
  So that's a really good one.
• 50:24
  And I think that if for people who want to
• 50:28
  know about the history of Druids,
• 50:32
  there is an amazing book
• 50:34
  by a man,
• 50:36
  a druid by lineage. So his family
• 50:39
  been druids, you know, for forever.
• 50:42
  His name is John Hughes. So that's J O N
• 50:46
  then H
• 50:49
  U
• 50:50
  g h e s.
• 50:53
  And the book is called
• 50:55
  Druids,
• 50:56
  Witches and Sin Eaters.
• 50:59
  Unknown: Sin Eaters.
• 51:01
  Unknown: Oh, yes.
• 51:02
  Unknown: Okay.
• 51:07
  Unknown: Anyway, it's a fascinating book because it traces
• 51:11
  So this is why I've been thinking so much a lot about this because it traces
• 51:16
  the
• 51:17
  history of the druids
• 51:19
  and pays particular
• 51:21
  attention
• 51:22
  to the area of the Welsh marches. So this would be the border of England and Wales.
• 51:28
  So
• 51:29
  a lot of the counties that are on the English side were once And part of
• 51:35
  so it's the history of that area, which was very steeped
• 51:40
  in Druid tradition
• 51:42
  and later in witchcraft.
• 51:45
  And
• 51:46
  he outlines
• 51:50
  the beliefs of the Druids very, very clearly
• 51:53
  and where it all went wrong with the Roman conquest.
• 51:58
  And part of that was a bit like
• 52:01
  the Cathars where, you know, they actually engaged
• 52:06
  the Druids.
• 52:09
  Kind of
• 52:10
  the Druid teachers of the time, some of them
• 52:14
  became
• 52:15
  involved in Christianity
• 52:17
  and
• 52:18
  there was a kind of Christianization
• 52:21
  that went on and
• 52:23
  a lot of the
• 52:25
  traditional,
• 52:26
  the ancient Druids,
• 52:28
  the ancient Druid beliefs
• 52:30
  were
• 52:31
  diluted
• 52:32
  and then of course, you know,
• 52:34
  they were pretty much destroyed.
• 52:38
  Unknown: I have a book on my shelf,
• 52:41
  Anna, which is
• 52:43
  what's it called now Saint Paul in Britain, I think it's called written by the Reverend somebody or other about eighteen eighty odd,
• 52:53
  which start the whole sort of first third of the book is all to do with the druidic culture in Britain,
• 52:58
  And of course, this is what do we call this? Hearsay, let's call it that. Although I think his evidence is pretty good, but if you haven't read the book, you might dismiss it. It doesn't really matter.
• 53:07
  I got a great deal from it. It's one of those things I'll probably get around to reading again at some point. It's not too big, a couple 100 pages. But one of the things he talks about
• 53:16
  is the arrival of the apostles in Britain about thirty five AD,
• 53:20
  and meeting the druids,
• 53:23
  and that there was no clash.
• 53:24
  That the that the base philosophical
• 53:27
  system, that's not the right way to describe it, but the bay the basic belief system or the orientation,
• 53:32
  and the way that they approach things was almost identical, and I think the only thing that the druids were mystified by is he said anyway in this book, was the fact that they wanted to put up a building
• 53:44
  to gather in, and they said well we don't do that, we meet in groves directly under the creation as it were.
• 53:50
  Meet in the creation, in the whole of nature, which is the handiwork of God.
• 53:56
  So there seemed to be something similar. I never had a sense of adversarialness
• 53:59
  between druids and Christian. Of course, you get bad ones
• 54:02
  in all of these things, don't you? You've got evil druids like Winston Churchill, if he was one, and stuff like that, and you've got the other side of things. I mean, I actually worked with a druid, but we never got around to talking about druidism much.
• 54:14
  Very nice guy, Peter. Good old friend. I hope he's still alive. Great guy. Lovely guy.
• 54:20
  That was back in the eighties, but I don't know much about that either.
• 54:24
  Unknown: So the tradition of the Druids was very much lost and what we have are basically neo Druids,
• 54:30
  Unknown: you know, that then Yeah, that's what I kind of thought, pretend ones.
• 54:34
  Unknown: Which,
• 54:35
  you know, are, this is where, you know,
• 54:38
  some of the less
• 54:40
  less
• 54:44
  less kind, let's let's call them, individuals
• 54:47
  of high status have become involved with.
• 54:50
  And I think that's a whole other thing. It's not what we're talking about here.
• 54:55
  It's
• 54:57
  really
• 54:58
  very important that we all start thinking
• 55:01
  and examining ourselves
• 55:03
  as to what it is that we value
• 55:06
  how
• 55:08
  we can
• 55:10
  move beyond this
• 55:13
  need, this desire
• 55:15
  for power relationships
• 55:17
  because
• 55:18
  it's destroying
• 55:19
  it is destroying the planet because
• 55:23
  it's all about controlling everything and it's destroying
• 55:27
  us too.
• 55:29
  People who are in power,
• 55:34
  many of them
• 55:36
  you know, when I trained as a hypnotherapist years back,
• 55:42
  I saw
• 55:43
  the figures of tests that have been personality tests that have been done on politicians,
• 55:48
  on
• 55:50
  really corporate CEOs,
• 55:52
  high corporate CEOs.
• 55:54
  And basically, they had the profile profile of psychopaths.
• 55:58
  Yes. And I remember at the time, you know, when the world was young and innocent and we didn't know the things that we know now, I remember being, you know, very shocked and surprised.
• 56:10
  And now I look at I remember I remember that
• 56:15
  so clearly
• 56:16
  because, oh my goodness,
• 56:18
  hasn't it just turned out to be absolutely true?
• 56:22
  Because the sad
• 56:24
  fact is
• 56:26
  that many people crave power
• 56:29
  to
• 56:31
  for their own ends.
• 56:33
  Unknown: And Well, I think it's also a case of monkey see, monkey do. It's as if it's the the context that you're all born. I mean, you don't feel like this when you're four or five or six or seven. I don't remember feeling like that. Too busy throwing mud at things or or whatever. I know it seems a ridiculous thing to say, but,
• 56:50
  you know, I was thinking about only the other day. I just thought my orientation or viewpoint in life when I was very young
• 56:55
  was was
• 56:57
  not this.
• 56:58
  And you think, well, I'm informed about things. I must know how things work, and to some degree, you have to become informed because of all the behaviors of people around you. But the the sheer sort of,
• 57:08
  joy most of the time when I was young is something that you don't I haven't felt recently, not that sort of complete sense of, you know, aliveness around things. I do from time to time, but it's difficult. It sort of gets replaced with something else, which may be just as valuable. It probably is. You know, we've all got a path, but I think
• 57:26
  this whole orientation towards power,
• 57:30
  has become sort of, like, the the basic thing. You know, you we see it. I mean, I talk about well, we try and talk about economics, but we don't really want to because it's tiresome beyond belief. But, you know, if you even think about the way that that's reported, it's always about more efficiency and all this other stuff. And nobody ever points out why,
• 57:46
  you know, why you know, there's a lot of basic indicators around us to show
• 57:51
  that things are not as all this so called progress doesn't seem to have benefited,
• 57:57
  the peasants, does it? And so hey ho, neo feudalism is the next step towards efficiency. So that's what they seem to be inducting everybody into, A sort of general contextual communication across all the media is, yes, this is what we need, know, and no one seems to be sort of saying boo to a goose with regards
• 58:15
  we're all aware of the cameras and the complete, you know, manic monitoring of everybody that they want to bring in.
• 58:20
  But the media is still not, in my view, responding to it in the correct way. They're just sort of sensationalizing it and going, this is terrible. And everybody goes, yes. But but what do we do? You know?
• 58:31
  Unknown: And that's where, you know, these looking at things more holistically
• 58:36
  in terms of building communities
• 58:38
  comes in.
• 58:39
  Your
• 58:40
  next guest is going to talk about that because we
• 58:45
  these are again, this is about looking at what a community needs holistically
• 58:51
  for in order to be
• 58:54
  people to thrive and be happy.
• 58:56
  And
• 58:57
  if we look at it from a psychological point of view,
• 59:00
  there are certain things that we need in order to have good mental health. And one of them is connection.
• 59:06
  Connection The and sense of
• 59:10
  whole purpose of dividing people is to erode
• 59:16
  the high trust.
• 59:18
  We are
• 59:20
  our and in the West as a whole,
• 59:23
  we are known to have
• 59:26
  a high trust level in
• 59:29
  terms of trusting other people but in terms of also trusting institutions.
• 59:35
  And that's because our institutions
• 59:37
  have not been openly brutalizing
• 59:39
  us
• 59:40
  in the same way that
• 59:42
  other institutions have in other parts of the world.
• 59:45
  So we've
• 59:46
  called that democracy and
• 59:49
  so on. So there's a high trust level.
• 59:51
  But in order to break a society down
• 59:55
  and implement
• 59:58
  this,
• 59:59
  quite as
• 1:00:00
  rightly called it, neo feudalism,
• 1:00:04
  you have to create division
• 1:00:06
  and discord
• 1:00:07
  and you have to erode
• 1:00:10
  all of those institutions
• 1:00:12
  which
• 1:00:13
  you've
• 1:00:14
  kind of quietly and surreptitiously
• 1:00:17
  been
• 1:00:19
  making people dependent on
• 1:00:21
  by dumbing down situation, by not teaching them skills. I mean, what was it recently this week I heard and I don't know exactly how this is going to work. But
• 1:00:29
  rumor has it that the EU has just,
• 1:00:33
  you know,
• 1:00:34
  said that they're banning anybody from working on their own cars.
• 1:00:39
  So what's next? You can't cook for yourself? You know, when we know how they feel about natural medicine and
• 1:00:46
  anything that we can do for ourselves. So they create this dependency and
• 1:00:50
  then they make that system that we're dependent on break down.
• 1:00:55
  And then that means we don't trust those institutions anymore. And hey, it's okay, we've got a solution here because we
• 1:01:02
  can regulate this and we can regulate that.
• 1:01:05
  Before you know it, you're penned
• 1:01:08
  fifteen minute cities.
• 1:01:09
  So we all know this thing about, you know, problem and solution that they want to create. So this is the fundamental basis is breaking everything down,
• 1:01:19
  breaking down trust. So we need to do the opposite.
• 1:01:22
  We absolutely
• 1:01:23
  need to do the opposite.
• 1:01:25
  We need to create
• 1:01:28
  high trust within our communities
• 1:01:31
  by
• 1:01:33
  being active.
• 1:01:34
  And the hardest thing we face is saying to people, do you know what? I know you're busy and I know you're tired,
• 1:01:40
  but can you just do this one thing?
• 1:01:43
  Because it's only by Oh, yes.
• 1:01:45
  Unknown: It is. I think it's just it's down to a lot of habits.
• 1:01:48
  Anna, I'm just a bit sort of sensitive to the time
• 1:01:52
  because
• 1:01:53
  we've we've had a a goodly hour here. We've kind of crept into
• 1:01:56
  into Dee Dee space at the moment. I've got to play a little song at the end, but listen I've enjoyed this so much. It's been brilliant and I'd love to get you back at some point in the future imminently in a month or so's time whatever, however your schedule is set up.
• 1:02:09
  This
• 1:02:10
  didn't go exactly how I thought it went. It was actually better than that. I didn't know quite what to expect because we've only spoken the ones, and shout out to Maria for setting the whole thing up, which was wonderful. But
• 1:02:20
  yeah, I'd love to invite you back at some point. You don't have to say yes here on air because that means I'm cornering you and we can't do a thing like that. No no. It's bad isn't it?
• 1:02:30
  I'm always It's bad for. Yeah.
• 1:02:32
  That's lovely. Fantastic.
• 1:02:34
  Anna, thank you for the hour. It's like I said, when I spoke to you, said, an hour won't be enough, but you said it was. So
• 1:02:42
  I knew I think we could have planned on for a long time on this one, but let's pick it up on the next one when we can get you back on the return leg. That would be fantastic.
• 1:02:51
  Unknown: Thank you.
• 1:02:52
  Unknown: Absolutely fantastic. Thanks, Anna.
• 1:02:54
  Unknown: Yeah. Really enjoyed it. It was absolutely brilliant stuff.
• 1:02:57
  We've got
• 1:03:00
  Anna was just referred. We got Didi Hilliard
• 1:03:03
  sitting around in the studio chewing her nails, I think, or whatever. I don't know. I'm just casting aspersions here. We're gonna go we're gonna play a little song and one of those little humorous little vignette things that I've got
• 1:03:14
  just at the top of it. We're just past the top of the hour. It's just gone two minutes past, but we're gonna do that, and then we're gonna be joined by Didi in hour two.
• 1:03:22
  Hang on. Gotta just check my buttons. You see? It's a good job. At least I'm getting used to this. Here's a little song from Phil Zimmerman.
• 1:03:30
  I played this a few months ago. Quite like it's all about chemtrails and stuff like that. It's a bit of a rocker. Here we go.
• 1:05:53
  Unknown: Everyone romanticizes
• 1:05:55
  the 1960s
• 1:05:56
  workplace,
• 1:05:57
  the suits, the martinis,
• 1:05:59
  the single income households.
• 1:06:01
  But let's be brutally honest,
• 1:06:03
  if you were dropped into a 1964
• 1:06:05
  office tomorrow,
• 1:06:06
  ninety nine percent of you would not survive Let's a
• 1:06:11
  dive into what having a career was like in the nineteen sixties.
• 1:06:15
  We will
• 1:06:19
  early sixties, you opened the newspaper and job listings were literally segregated
• 1:06:23
  by gender.
• 1:06:24
  Help wanted male and help wanted female.
• 1:06:32
  The
• 1:06:36
  Unknown: road.
• 1:06:43
  Unknown: We're
• 1:06:47
  in year.
• 1:06:58
  Unknown: Attack at 48.
• 1:07:00
  Unknown: Men in the sixties were trapped in in of the cult of the company man.
• 1:07:04
  You didn't have a work life balance. You had a company that owned you.
• 1:07:08
  You were the sole breadwinner,
• 1:07:10
  carrying the financial weight of an entire family with zero societal permission to show stress or emotion.
• 1:07:17
  You gave a corporation forty years of your life, missed your kids growing up, and they gave you a gold watch before you dropped dead at your desk.
• 1:07:26
  But here is the part that's going to make people mad. Despite the rampant sexism,
• 1:07:30
  the chain smoking, and the soul crushing conformity,
• 1:07:33
  a 25 year old guy working in a factory or an entry level office job in 1965
• 1:07:39
  could actually afford to buy a house, a car, and support a family on one single paycheck.
• 1:07:46
  Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Seems like these days are long gone. So
• 1:07:50
  I have a question for you all. Would you trade the human rights, the HR departments, and the remote work we have today to go back to the nineteen sixties just so you could actually afford to live?
• 1:08:01
  Again.
• 1:08:02
  Unknown: I might do. I don't know. What's a paycheck anyway? I can't remember what were those things are. Anybody familiar with a paycheck? You you get one of those, Eric?
• 1:08:11
  Unknown: Well, there's Johnny Paycheck.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah. We did a lovely song called You Can Take That Job and Shove It. Do you remember that? Johnny Paycheck?
• 1:08:18
  Unknown: Yes. I do. Yeah. I can remember that. Yeah. That was fun. Yes.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah. So anyway, that was the nineteen sixties, everybody. I know my dad used to come home and he was the sole wage winner, and that was good, was very similar in England, not exactly the same as it was in America. I don't remember my parents are drinking martinis,
• 1:08:36
  so that was a bit beyond us. Did your parents drink martinis Eric? Eric? No. They would well, my mom wasn't, but my dad was teetotal.
• 1:08:44
  Unknown: So no, he never never drunk anymore. So no way was he having a No. No. Martini.
• 1:08:49
  Yes. No. He
• 1:08:52
  was teetotal,
• 1:08:54
  and his father was teetotal because
• 1:08:57
  his father was beaten up by his father, who would be my grandfather,
• 1:09:01
  or great grandfather rather,
• 1:09:04
  who had a drink problem. And he had such a terrible childhood,
• 1:09:08
  they signed the drinking pledge.
• 1:09:10
  And that's what they did those days,
• 1:09:12
  saying that they would never drink alcohol. And because of that, my dad never drunk alcohol. And because of that, I've never really drunk alcohol as such. I do. I have. And that's why you are the sharp minded young man that you are today. Oh, yes.
• 1:09:24
  Oh,
• 1:09:28
  Unknown: well, all good stuff. Anyway, I don't have a martini in front of me, although it sort of tempts me. It's just such a nice word, isn't it? Anyway, moving on to hour two, our Didi Hilliard is here with us in the studio. Didi, hi. Good evening. Welcome to the show.
• 1:09:42
  Unknown: Hello, Paul. Thank you for having me. No. It's great. It's great to have you. Did you catch much of Just caught the little spot? I just caught the end. I thought, I wish we could stay on together because
• 1:09:53
  I I I get inspired by things she says.
• 1:09:56
  And Well, she's still here. I could bring her back on. But let's give you a few you She's probably she's probably got a cocoa making right now. I think that's what's probably going on. She's got lots to say, and I think it's all good. It's I mean, that's the beauty, I think. I mean, obviously, she's talked about all sorts of things she does, but on the cabbie side,
• 1:10:13
  I love it. We've got so many different types of people. So from you know, with her holistic health,
• 1:10:19
  all of the
• 1:10:21
  logical
• 1:10:24
  natural
• 1:10:26
  thing elements.
• 1:10:27
  Then there's us, the fighters that want to echo the wagons type,
• 1:10:30
  and they're
• 1:10:32
  the one
• 1:10:33
  Unknown: that builds. You know? The ones with the yang energy. Is that to to go yeah. The the fighters are with the yang, and the and the builders I don't know. I don't know how to sum it all up. Yeah. Dick. You're breaking up a little bit. We've got a little bit of a of a dodgy connection. We've got a bit of lag. Can you hear me in real time, Didi?
• 1:10:56
  Unknown: I can hear you.
• 1:10:58
  Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Way out in the country, and it's not great
• 1:11:03
  not great here, which I quite like because it means they can't do things. But
• 1:11:08
  Unknown: Yes. Okay. Well, I think we'll bumble through with the whole thing. Anyway, Cabbie, what is it? I keep mentioning it. Mark Byford, everybody knows him. Mark the bola hat farmer. I know he's thick as thieves with you a lot, and he keeps sending
• 1:11:21
  me little snippets and this, that, and the other. And we had a little chat, didn't we, earlier in the week, but no doubt you've pitched this 10,000
• 1:11:28
  times already, but but what is Cabi? No. What is it?
• 1:11:32
  Unknown: Actually,
• 1:11:33
  I haven't because,
• 1:11:35
  really, I just go to the meetings. I go to where the community are, and I just sort of Yeah.
• 1:11:41
  Bridge. You know? So I, you know, I don't go out a lot. We don't go out bang we're not drum beaters.
• 1:11:47
  But, you know, the other day I was thinking
• 1:11:50
  because of all the things we offer a community,
• 1:11:53
  I suddenly realized it
• 1:11:55
  is a bit like having
• 1:11:57
  a bit of, you know,
• 1:11:59
  I don't know, the gift.
• 1:12:02
  And I feel that all the people that have been exposed when you look at Piddington
• 1:12:06
  and places like that, that are Yeah. You know, shouting their voice into the darkness,
• 1:12:11
  nobody's listening except the public.
• 1:12:14
  Nobody of power is going to their rescue or offering solutions.
• 1:12:18
  And they're logically trying to find a way through. And in that process, they're going, right. We're putting a flag in the ground and saying, we're staking a claim to the land that we do not want to be part of this system that doesn't allow us to
• 1:12:32
  have our voice.
• 1:12:33
  So
• 1:12:35
  I feel that all the CABBI members already know about what CABBI can give as a community,
• 1:12:41
  all the all the powers that returns to you rightfully,
• 1:12:44
  lawfully,
• 1:12:45
  is that gift. And it's such a shame when it's as if, say, for example, you're all in the desert going over the sand dunes, and you're the ones I feel like us and Cabbie, we're the ones that have got that path that goes over to the sea. You know, we've the one we we've been lucky to find that, and we should go and tell the others. And, you know, but we never get the time to go and tell others, so it's just whoever stumbles across that really. And Yeah. I always thank the person who introduced me to it because it has been something I've come at. In the first year, I was taking it apart, saying this can't be.
• 1:13:17
  This is no way could this be a foundation that's correct. Otherwise, people would have done it. It's a bit like, I suppose, the person who invents the next best thing. They think, no. It's so obvious. Somebody would have done this before.
• 1:13:29
  It can't work. And I think that's that's the amazing thing about it. It is a great gift because it it stands for the community assembly
• 1:13:38
  of the British Isles, although it is international, so we've got the
• 1:13:43
  assemblies of the world as well. And we've recently affiliated with the World Council for Health. So we're in 35 other countries.
• 1:13:52
  Right. There's a potential reach for people who want to go and create their community groups.
• 1:13:57
  Pretty much the same philosophy
• 1:13:59
  is applicable around the world,
• 1:14:02
  and that is that natural law came before all of our civil laws. Whatever country you're in,
• 1:14:08
  we all lived by natural law, which is very simple. And it's equity. It really is the sort of justice you'd have had at home from good parents where they sit you down and say, right. Now let me hear what everybody's got to say, and I will look at it. And
• 1:14:25
  only the difference with caviar is we've got a jury system and always has been that way because
• 1:14:30
  Cornwall
• 1:14:30
  never signed up to being under a British king ever in its history. It's always
• 1:14:36
  Stocius. Country,
• 1:14:39
  and that system that they adjudicated
• 1:14:43
  always was jury.
• 1:14:45
  That's an ancient line that we can bring in to me Are you off to my communities
• 1:14:51
  here.
• 1:14:53
  Unknown: This is too salty for you.
• 1:14:55
  Unknown: We're just picking up a voice in the background there, Didi,
• 1:14:58
  and you're breaking up a little. Jurisdiction of 300
• 1:15:02
  Unknown: or more
• 1:15:04
  under the one community banner of Kabi. It can lawful already.
• 1:15:09
  But if they wanted to have a jury system, they technically wouldn't have the officers trained, the the constables of the court, the various people you the court. You you could go out and get get a jury between thirteen and twenty one from outside the area, so somebody independent to come and adjudicate,
• 1:15:28
  and then you'd have various officers in that court to make sure that things were presented carefully.
• 1:15:33
  And and, clearly, in the case of Pittington,
• 1:15:36
  the council or government want to come and be represented. They wouldn't want to step into that court because it is a court of the people.
• 1:15:47
  Unknown: This whole thing about courts So
• 1:15:51
  is is a is a a representation
• 1:15:53
  Unknown: of that other argument, I. E. The government,
• 1:15:56
  would make clear.
• 1:16:01
  Unknown: Don't worry. We're overlapping each other a little bit at the moment, Didi, just due to the Sorry. Delights of the Internet. It's it's nothing for you to be sorry about. It's just one of these situations. That's all. We we sort of come in and out of phase. Are we back in time again now? I think we are.
• 1:16:16
  You should reboot it.
• 1:16:20
  You should reboot it, I heard in the background. Okay.
• 1:16:24
  I'll
• 1:16:27
  tell you what, if you is it easier for you to call in by WhatsApp?
• 1:16:34
  You might get a better we might get a better signal. I can bring you in that way.
• 1:16:39
  Unknown: Or I can do it another time. I mean, I don't know how much this is gonna work either because it's not looking good tonight.
• 1:16:45
  The bars out
• 1:16:47
  here aren't good.
• 1:16:49
  You need more bars? I just say little bits.
• 1:16:53
  Unknown: Yeah. Maybe. Well, maybe. It's it's not bad. We need we need
• 1:16:58
  need more bars, don't we? We need more we need all the pubs back. We need all the pubs. Look. You could always try I think we've just connected on WhatsApp. I'm I'm geared up for this. You If call me on WhatsApp, it'll probably
• 1:17:09
  it might actually be a better audio signal. That's all you really need. I think it's probably,
• 1:17:14
  because we're in the studio,
• 1:17:18
  you know.
• 1:17:21
  Do you wanna try it that way?
• 1:17:33
  And this is called the vagaries of the Internet, everybody. I'm sure you're all familiar with it. It's just a bit of a bummer when it happens during the show.
• 1:17:40
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:17:41
  What do I say next? Courtesy of what do I say next?
• 1:17:46
  Unknown: Now we'll be a short interlude while we will play some music and show you these pictures of these kittens.
• 1:17:52
  Unknown: Yeah. Do do you remember the potter's will? I'm old enough to remember that. It used to show the potter's will when anything went wrong. So, you know, I mean, I used to
• 1:18:00
  find the flower pot man an intellectual challenge. So we're sitting there going,
• 1:18:06
  suddenly,
• 1:18:08
  something will break down. They'll you the potter's will every time.
• 1:18:14
  Many people remember that.
• 1:18:16
  Unknown: Anna Isabelle is sportingly saying that she's still around, which is wonderful. I've just Oh excellent. Yes,
• 1:18:22
  so we can always Thank you Anna. I
• 1:18:24
  want to try and give Didi a chance to
• 1:18:27
  resolve things, because I'm very interested to hear what she's got to say.
• 1:18:31
  Yes.
• 1:18:31
  Let's just have a look.
• 1:18:34
  Has she disappeared off the
• 1:18:39
  Unknown: No, I think she probably has.
• 1:18:41
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:18:43
  Unknown: Well, there we go. Oh, that's life, innit?
• 1:18:46
  Yeah. It's
• 1:18:49
  strange that the Internet's been around how many years now? Twenty, thirty years? Oh, but at least three weeks. Yes. Yeah. And it it was still getting these breakdowns. It should be a thing of the past, shouldn't it?
• 1:19:00
  Unknown: Well, you
• 1:19:02
  know, sometimes it it it just happens, doesn't it? It just happens. I could also go to a song while we wait. We could definitely.
• 1:19:09
  Unknown: Could I talk about more shed?
• 1:19:13
  Unknown: Well, we can't have enough shed talk, and of course, the ongoing shed stories are always jolly good. So Mhmm. If you just tuned in, everybody, we're just having a little bit of a kerfuffle connecting with our guest,
• 1:19:23
  Didi Hilliard, but I'm very keen to hear what she's got to say. Yes. I didn't realize she was Yeah.
• 1:19:30
  Unknown: Sorry. Carry on, mate. No. You speak,
• 1:19:32
  please. I was gonna say, Kabi is an excellent website. It's worth going on it. So that that's what I was gonna say. Go on. Read out the URL. Are you looking at it right now? What is the No. I'm not actually. I'm sorry. I don't know.
• 1:19:44
  Unknown: You are blagging, Eric. You are blagging I'm
• 1:19:46
  Unknown: winging it. I'm winging it.
• 1:19:49
  Unknown: Got it I've got it actually open here, but I've got about 8,000 tabs open. I just wanted to read it out to everybody. It is interesting because I've mentioned here a couple of times and some of you will have heard this, that
• 1:20:02
  Mark brought this to my attention,
• 1:20:04
  not being in
• 1:20:06
  the possession of a motor vehicle myself at the moment or using
• 1:20:11
  I don't really need this service but apparently for I think it's approximately £300
• 1:20:16
  per annum
• 1:20:17
  you are insured to drive any vehicle that you get in as long as you have the permission of the owner to drive it.
• 1:20:24
  So it covers you,
• 1:20:26
  under a wide array of circumstances.
• 1:20:28
  This is me just blagging and making it up. I don't know whether this is strictly the case and I was just hoping that Didi might be okay. So at least I can give you the URL for it's ca-britishaisles.com.
• 1:20:42
  Ca
• 1:20:43
  in fact, I'll copy and paste it into all the all the chats if you've just tuned in. We're just trying to bring our guest on, but Didi's having a bit of a problem. Let me just see if she's back in the studio.
• 1:20:55
  Unknown: Not yet is the thing. So we could talk about sheds for a bit, Eric, if you want to. Yes. We could we could do. The trouble is that cures insomnia, doesn't it? You know, it's a bit like train spotting and Yeah. Sorry, Anorak, if he's listening in,
• 1:21:06
  but
• 1:21:09
  Unknown: Well, mean, listen, I'm obviously this word the cathartic, know, the cathartic
• 1:21:23
  Yes. A cathartic event, maybe because they got wiped out. I don't know. The cathartic that is interesting that that that Hang on. Here we go. Just a minute. You got it? Okay.
• 1:21:32
  Right. We might have
• 1:21:36
  Houston Dee Dee, are you there?
• 1:21:41
  Oh she was momentarily.
• 1:21:43
  I think she is. Dee Dee are you there?
• 1:21:46
  Can you hear us? I ought to be able to hear you. This is ridiculous. Koei.
• 1:21:51
  Unknown: Koei.
• 1:21:56
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 1:22:01
  Alright. Well, it says that we're connected, but for some reason, I ain't got any sound. And I just did a test on this earlier. Oh, hang on. It's all fine. Sorry, Matt. I didn't mean to talk across you, but is she using Firefox?
• 1:22:12
  Unknown: Because that was a problem the other week. If she has is using Firefox,
• 1:22:16
  that could be the problem. So if she changes to
• 1:22:20
  Unknown: Chrome or some other browser. She's Yeah. I'm just trying to bring her in by WhatsApp over her phone. Think I don't think it's a matter of that. Let
• 1:22:29
  me just check things. Sorry about this everybody. This is just one of these things. Two weeks in a row, we've had a bit of stuff, haven't we? With all these all these jolly top guests, and it's a bit of a pain in the old bum hole. Something
• 1:22:40
  like that, isn't it? Yes.
• 1:22:42
  So the call What
• 1:22:46
  Unknown: about telegram? Would that bring her in easier?
• 1:22:50
  Unknown: Yeah. Telegram's always tops.
• 1:22:52
  Yeah. But I guess she's not on telegram. Saying it on air, it makes me ill. Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  Yeah.
• 1:22:59
  So
• 1:23:01
  Unknown: But as I say,
• 1:23:03
  Isabelle was very, very interested. Thank you very much for excellent
• 1:23:07
  talk there. That was brilliant.
• 1:23:09
  And
• 1:23:10
  your next guest at 10:00 will be doctor Miles Fleetwood.
• 1:23:15
  Unknown: Very highly I hope he doesn't have technical issues as well. Have you noticed how chilled I am? I don't know why I'm so chilled. Well Probably driving all the listeners crazy. Sorry about this, everybody. But don't tell tell don't tell anybody, but strictly between you and I and about couple of thousand
• 1:23:32
  Unknown: Who uses an iPad?
• 1:23:35
  An Apple iPad. Excuse me. I'm just spitting those words out. Actually,
• 1:23:41
  I've got an iPad as well. I I still like Apple.
• 1:23:46
  Unknown: But we should be alright. I I think
• 1:23:49
  okay.
• 1:23:52
  Unknown: Hang on. You got it? Well,
• 1:23:55
  Unknown: she uses Telegram, and I suspect.
• 1:23:58
  Unknown: Could root her through there I was wondering.
• 1:24:01
  Unknown: There we go, I've just sent her my
• 1:24:03
  telegram doodads now we might have a bit. Oh dear. We might get through. I think it might all work out great now. Let me just check this. Sorry about this. You should say this is part of the the technical fun when you're sort of using a mixer and patching everybody in all over the place.
• 1:24:18
  Yeah. But that's looking good, so I think that's gonna work. So I'm just waiting for the call. I'm waiting for the call
• 1:24:24
  from Didi.
• 1:24:26
  Unknown: We should bring her in. We've only lost about five or six minutes really, and we did learn a little bit about sheds, didn't we? Not a great deal. That's right. If we offered her a cucumber sandwich or something like that, or kiwi, come on. Come on. Come on. Would would she come on a thing, you know?
• 1:24:41
  I'm only joking.
• 1:24:45
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:24:49
  Anyway,
• 1:24:50
  just again, I also want to thank Maria, who's probably laughing her socks off right now. Maria's
• 1:24:55
  come to my aid in some way,
• 1:24:59
  and
• 1:25:00
  let's bring Anna back in.
• 1:25:02
  I'll bring Anna back on. Where is she? She's just there. Oh,
• 1:25:06
  Anna you're on the I think you're on the stage. How did you get on there?
• 1:25:10
  Unknown: I never would thought.
• 1:25:12
  Unknown: Didn't dare. Did
• 1:25:14
  I never kick you off? Was I very polite and left you lurking in the studio? You did and I I thought I I daren't leave in case I make a sound and, you know, upset things whilst
• 1:25:25
  Didi's on and,
• 1:25:27
  as it happens.
• 1:25:29
  Unknown: Yeah. I know. She came on, and then she's she's out obviously in the hinterlands, and something is they've only got a few bars around there, which, of course, is not very good for lubrication purposes. But, obviously, she meant Internet connectivity. It's all a bit rough and ready. But,
• 1:25:43
  if she does call through and come to me in here and use Intelliga here we go. Can you hear go. Yes.
• 1:25:49
  Unknown: We have lift off.
• 1:25:50
  Unknown: Didi, are you there? I
• 1:25:53
  can't believe it in this day and age. Yeah. But this works. You're clear as a bell, you see. It's a good shape. I've got a few magic
• 1:26:00
  things up my sleeve.
• 1:26:02
  And Anna Anna Isabel was so concerned that she couldn't take herself away and go and get Coco. So she's in the studio, and she can hear you as well. We're just mixed through even though you can't see anybody.
• 1:26:12
  Unknown: Yeah. Great. Lovely. Lovely.
• 1:26:14
  Unknown: Oh, what have you been talking about then? We were talking about you and what why you live in such a silly place and why you haven't got enough bars
• 1:26:21
  and everything and all the conversation going on and rebooting it. We were just basically because you weren't here, we were talking about you. That's what you do in these situations. Right. That's nice. That's nice. And it's good, isn't it? Yeah. It's good. Yeah. Very rude, Brandon. Let's talk about Maria. Let's talk about Maria while we're on it. I don't know why she's not on the show ever because
• 1:26:40
  Unknown: she is such a little fixer.
• 1:26:42
  She's so much the glue. She is a glue in that. Amazing. She's
• 1:26:48
  Unknown: She's she's come into my life whether I liked it or not. I'm saying this for her benefit because I know she'll be tuning in. She sent me some messages today. So I can't wait to listen to the show. It's absolutely fantastic.
• 1:26:56
  And she's just bossing me around. I've got a blizzard of contacts and people to actually get on the show, and they're spread all over the place. And then, really, I I'm just in need of psychiatric help because I go, where is that they're coming in by email, WhatsApp, Telegram, all over the place. I'm going, I don't know where everybody is. But, no, she's fantastic. She's brilliant. Yeah. She's really good. But you know what? I think I think I used to tell him that if you got on the show, you would inspire people who have the same little potential
• 1:27:23
  Unknown: gifts of, you know, meeting lots of people and pulling it together. There's lots of women in the world that do that. I know men too, but women are great at that. And Oh, they are. I I tip my hat. Yeah. Are.
• 1:27:36
  Unknown: You are. You're much better at it than we are because I think you can sort of it's all part of the way that you work and operate. You're basically much more sociable animals than blokes. We we are actually quite happy to go and sit in the shed and try and design the next hovercraft or whatever it is,
• 1:27:51
  Unknown: and just be left alone and just go, oh, just leave him. He's just we are. We're like bears in caves. We're happy. Love it. At her last meeting, she did actually have a little bit of a a a preamble for the women to come along together Right. To find a way in which we can support men more because we're seeing so much many more men step into this arena of
• 1:28:11
  of not just talking about things, but actually
• 1:28:15
  creating
• 1:28:16
  change.
• 1:28:17
  Yes. Actually doing proper logical
• 1:28:20
  strategic
• 1:28:20
  thinking,
• 1:28:22
  very good arguments,
• 1:28:24
  not just, you know, moaning about things, actually finding solutions.
• 1:28:29
  And and she said, we you know, it's a wonderful time to be
• 1:28:32
  alongside men
• 1:28:34
  at this time because they you know? And I think it has been tough. I mean, I'm biased. I grew up with four brothers, but I do think that men have had a really tough time over the years of, you know, what can they say? What can't they say? What's their role? Can they open a door? Should they not open a door? All of this. And I think the synergy that she was promoting,
• 1:28:53
  you know, of of the balance of man and woman at the moment is great. It's I don't think it's ever been like this. And that little ditty that you had when I when I could hear Mhmm. About sixties man Yes. Being the breadwinner and Yeah. Having a heart attack and, you know, all of that. I mean,
• 1:29:11
  we look back at that period of time sort of between seventies and probably the, like, sort of sixties to nineties that life was reasonably okay for people.
• 1:29:20
  Unknown: And in that family life seem to be buoyant
• 1:29:23
  fruitful and have a lot of joy in it. And yet you wouldn't have if you asked anybody at the time, they wouldn't have expressed it like that. But in in in comparison with what we've got now,
• 1:29:34
  which is I don't what word should I use? Retarded?
• 1:29:37
  I mean, just is.
• 1:29:39
  Unknown: It's Disjointed.
• 1:29:40
  Unknown: It's just it's It's disjointed. It's unhappy. People are demoralized,
• 1:29:44
  Unknown: you see, and they're quiet. It's siloed. Yeah. And do you know what? Siloed. You know, I when I go around to these talks, you know, for Cabby around in the countryside, whether it's summer or winter, as you come home along the little interconnecting
• 1:29:56
  road through through the countryside, lovely, fine, you don't expect much. But as you get to towns,
• 1:30:01
  you think, oh, there'll be a bit of life going on in here. It's a Friday night or whatever. No. Well, weekends, yes. But if you go on the weekday, you just go past houses and houses, empty restaurants and bars Yep. And houses where there's lights on in all rooms,
• 1:30:16
  and you can see in
• 1:30:18
  not that I'm a butcher like that, but you can see one person in each room with a screen. You can see that glow. And it's as if they're
• 1:30:26
  all doing a family. One's watching TV. Two are on the different computers, and it's, yeah, it's a really weird time. But what I'm saying about Maria is she is bringing people together,
• 1:30:37
  and it's the type of men and women who are
• 1:30:40
  really caring about society and where we're going. And
• 1:30:44
  I just love it. Whatever I see whenever she gets groups together and people together,
• 1:30:50
  I can see a magic happening. Yes. Like, never before.
• 1:30:53
  Never before has it been like this where people are not afraid. They're taking back their powers. It's a remembering.
• 1:31:00
  And that's what I say about Kabi. That is a remembering. Obviously, it's using its own history
• 1:31:06
  of Cornwall,
• 1:31:07
  but it's applying it to the rest of England because or the rest of the country because ancient rites, for example, as I think I talked to you the other day, we've all got the the ancient
• 1:31:17
  custom
• 1:31:19
  of being able to shape our environment. Very topical right now with five g's, data centers, all that.
• 1:31:25
  And
• 1:31:26
  the when you say that to the council, where are you where are you addressing that as keeping this right? They say, well, we do. It's in the local plan. We yes. We know that ancient customer has to stay.
• 1:31:36
  You know, it's all acknowledged. We've got a local plan. That's your opportunity to shape your future. Well, we know all these other things come in after local plan's been created, the five g towers or the data. They haven't been factored ten years ago. That's if they've got a local plan. But, anyway, it's just it's just knowing that you can do that and how you and how you do it. I mean, through through Maria, I've met people like the lady in Devon who shows how councils don't have mandates.
• 1:32:05
  They they bluff and pretend. Yeah. And then the reverend
• 1:32:09
  I've forgotten his name now.
• 1:32:11
  Oh, anyway, another guy who's an engineer by profession like solutions,
• 1:32:16
  he's also a reverend, and he teaches you how to fight the councils with legislation
• 1:32:22
  because invariably, they haven't done their work correctly.
• 1:32:25
  And you can just stop it just as you would in a court case. You can stop things.
• 1:32:30
  So it's all quite wonderful people coming together.
• 1:32:34
  We are many, and that's the beauty of it, you know, Paul. The many
• 1:32:38
  power the many brains coming together with logic, with information,
• 1:32:44
  it's
• 1:32:45
  you know, I wouldn't want to be a government up against the people when they're thinking.
• 1:32:49
  Unknown: When they're thinking. Of course, the the whole purpose the whole purpose of the education system is to mean make sure that you can't do any of that original thinking
• 1:32:57
  as they can bring about. I mean, whole thing with courts,
• 1:33:01
  it's been a theme around here on the show for the last couple of weeks actually, longer.
• 1:33:06
  We had a guy called Mike Bercon a few weeks ago, was absolutely brilliant in terms of his knowledge with regards to things of the acts of settlement, Magna Carta, etcetera. I know when you whenever anybody says Magna Carta, everybody goes yawn or whatever, but but it's a it's a key pivotal sort of plank of things, and yet these,
• 1:33:23
  you know, when you were think we're in a restoration process, you're talking a remembering, it's the same thing that we don't actually have to create anything new, but we do have to restore all these phenomenal tools that were discovered through hard won experience by our forefathers and reapply them. We've got,
• 1:33:40
  you know, just this process is like recognizing that we've got a lot of gear but it's not going to make any use if we don't pick it up and use it. It's got to be used.
• 1:33:51
  There's
• 1:33:52
  also there's another there's another chap around here does a show on Fridays, that's tomorrow. I won't be I'm usually on, but I won't be on tomorrow,
• 1:34:00
  with him called Robin Hood. Robin tunnels,
• 1:34:03
  you know Robin, and he just tunnels it into the court structures in
• 1:34:07
  excessive detail. It's not excessive.
• 1:34:09
  Unknown: It's required, you know, wading through this linguistic barrage of gibberish that they come up with. And gets nowhere, though, and gets nowhere because they won't listen. They keep moving goalposts. So that's the irony
• 1:34:19
  Yes. That you can do all this, not you can have this knowledge. So for me,
• 1:34:24
  the ultimate thing is equity.
• 1:34:27
  If you can bring every argument into equity
• 1:34:30
  Yeah. That stuffs legislation, which we know is pitted. Mhmm. But two things, you've got to understand. I mean, the poor people of the world have just as I think as Anna was saying, we're very trusting.
• 1:34:42
  We've all especially in the West, we've always trusted. We haven't had reason, apparently,
• 1:34:48
  to
• 1:34:48
  to challenge
• 1:34:50
  interests and and where something's originating from. What why would this be happening? So even the you know, more recently, things big things have happened, and people have thought, you know, why would the government wouldn't want to hurt us or do this to us? They're always in our best interest. So hence, we've all moved into that nanny state. And we've just allowed the slide, especially since Blair times,
• 1:35:12
  of legislation
• 1:35:13
  being the tool that slowly,
• 1:35:16
  a bit like one of those Robin Hood films where
• 1:35:19
  the character that advises the king is sitting on his shoulder with this sort of all creepy, horrible character. On his shoulder. Yes.
• 1:35:27
  Whispering. Whispering into him, telling him, almost almost ensnaring him. And so that's what we've got. That's what legislation is. If people could just see it as that, as that cartoon character,
• 1:35:38
  if they could see it, that it's being used to ensnare,
• 1:35:43
  trap,
• 1:35:44
  and control us, it's not for good. It's not for ultimate
• 1:35:49
  interests of humanity.
• 1:35:51
  It's almost,
• 1:35:53
  I would say,
• 1:35:55
  bordering on something manic.
• 1:35:57
  So if you if you take something back to
• 1:36:02
  its distill it back to its basics, that is equity,
• 1:36:06
  where people would look at what's the fairness of this, not whether or not you should wear a blue hat on a Friday night. It's it's what is the fair where is the harm being caused here? What is the intention?
• 1:36:18
  The whole thing you'd look at in a proper logical way. You wouldn't wait for legislation to to
• 1:36:24
  it's a bit like somebody like judges who say they'd like to rule like this, but they can't because of legislation.
• 1:36:31
  So people's own
• 1:36:33
  moral code
• 1:36:34
  Mhmm. And the obvious right and wrong is not being adjudicated.
• 1:36:39
  It's being legislated,
• 1:36:40
  in which case it's a different response and different answer. Yes. Quite apart from the fact that you've got a lot of people who don't even know how to to manage things. But yeah. So nobody I don't think anybody's got faith in the justice system.
• 1:36:52
  And we also don't feel that our country the first rule of government is to protect its people. We know that's not
• 1:36:59
  Unknown: Yeah. It's good that you've got a sense of humor. It's good. That's the first thing. It's the only thing that keeps us going around here. Yes. Let's say that again. The the the primary
• 1:37:07
  duty of the government is to care for the welfare of of the people. Oh, that's so. It's first duty. It's first primary duty. Yes. Exactly.
• 1:37:15
  Unknown: And and and this is quite shocking. Now you get people turn and say, well, how would how could it be any different? You know? We need the money. We need this. We need whatever. And it's like, oh my god. This is where you need
• 1:37:26
  the true
• 1:37:29
  what would you call them,
• 1:37:32
  the billionaires who've got a heart.
• 1:37:34
  Unknown: They're out there. They are out I I've just often felt, Dee, that the Dee Dee, that they are they're hamstrung to some degree. Yes. In
• 1:37:43
  the sense that if they step out of the club, they'll get they'll get hammered, literally. I mean, you know, you only have to look at history, and I think, you know,
• 1:37:52
  it's just been a long process
• 1:37:54
  that they've entered into of subduing our curiosity for one of the better fright. People just don't ask questions because why would they if they've been to school? School doesn't teach you to question things with an open heart and mind. It teaches you to absorb the status quo, and this is it. And you're going to have a career, Johnny, and so are you, Jeanette. Actually, more than that now. If you really knew what was going on, I mean, I didn't know again, through community being all over the place, I hear a lot of stories from inner cities as well. And I'm hearing about biometric data for them to have their school lunches. Oh, yes. Put their finger down. Yeah. One
• 1:38:29
  Unknown: school, and I'm gonna say it, it's in Lambert,
• 1:38:32
  they are being told in the class, you look straight ahead at the teacher. If you're found to be looking left or right, there'll be a detention.
• 1:38:41
  What? Can you believe that?
• 1:38:44
  Can if I didn't trust the person who told me directly that this was what had been, you know, told to her children,
• 1:38:51
  Unknown: I would not believe that. That's out that's outrageous. Although we there's a guy called Andy up in the Northeast who is doing a lot of work trying to help parents with the whole of the monitoring systems through the five g masks around schools and everything. He was telling us that I think there's one where when the kids are the children, I hate using the word kids and I just did, they're goats. Right? When the children arrive at school,
• 1:39:13
  they're all photographed with Apple iPads and everything every day. What? I mean, this is nuts. I mean, have they have they banned pea shooters so that you can fire
• 1:39:23
  ink sodden bits of blotting paper at the neck of the teacher? I mean, I think that that should still be allowed because I think right now is the time to actually,
• 1:39:30
  you know, and get him on the back of the who did that? Was that you, Simpkins? That's what we need. Love it. Yeah. We need to bring all that stuff back. It's great. Healthy.
• 1:39:39
  Unknown: Healthy disrespect. That's how I was raised. Mhmm. Yeah. Healthy disregard.
• 1:39:45
  No. It's questioning. That's the thing. We're just allowed to ask questions. Mhmm. In my family, we're encouraged to ask questions and always ask questions and always stand up for what's right.
• 1:39:55
  And if you don't want to do it because it's too inconvenient for you, think of the poor little person behind you who possibly
• 1:40:02
  could get really hammered by it. You could survive it. You could survive that position because you're tough, but the poor little person behind you might not be able to even enunciate their position and would be hammered. So think of them. And that's how we were raised.
• 1:40:15
  And and,
• 1:40:16
  you know, that's why I do things, and
• 1:40:19
  I do what I do. And I know my brothers do things in their own way for they're not they're not
• 1:40:25
  you might think I'm political. I'm not. But they're not so community minded on a big level of what's going on, but they do look at what's right and wrong and help people in lots of situations. They're very, very successful. But, yeah, it's it's it's
• 1:40:38
  moral codes, moral values, and a lot of people have got them. They still have them. And it's just how can you find a place to accommodate that for them? But they are. They're beginning to wrap turn. I mean, we did this thing recently. I just put out a letter that people could use
• 1:40:55
  about biometric data that's been taken on you in the supermarkets.
• 1:40:59
  Mhmm. And one of our members, obviously, is Tess Lohrey from the World Council. She saw that little link to go and have a look at that letter because we know not everybody's got the same appetite for
• 1:41:09
  a challenge.
• 1:41:11
  So I thought there's, you know, grandmas or people who've got sort of scared of their jobs being lost if they went up against the council or whatever. So let's all do we can all drop a letter into the supermarkets
• 1:41:22
  saying how we object about the way we're being photographed and videoed all every step and
• 1:41:28
  calling into our rights. You know? And Tess put that on her substack,
• 1:41:34
  and she can see how many people have opened it. And that went to 18,000
• 1:41:39
  people opened it. And she and I know lots of people used it because it came back to me lot by many different roots.
• 1:41:46
  You know, in people's
• 1:41:48
  judo school and things, they were talking about it. And it's just funny how one little thing can be so helpful to people feeling like they're going, yeah. Take that. You know, kicking back a little bit. Yes. And
• 1:42:00
  I think that's how we've gotta do it. Whatever level of power we want to take,
• 1:42:04
  we must work together to do that. No matter who we are, we work as a group,
• 1:42:09
  and we find ways that suit us
• 1:42:12
  to fit that
• 1:42:15
  number because we are many and they are few.
• 1:42:17
  Just like that meme, I always love that meme where there's
• 1:42:21
  a seesaw and the one man in the bowler hat, you know, the lectern
• 1:42:25
  dictating to people with his arm out. And all the many are stood on that bottom Yes. Part of the seat door, keeping him up there. Yep. Keeping him up there. And it's like, well, we just gotta step off, guys. All of us, we just gotta step off.
• 1:42:39
  Unknown: It's I mean, it's it's a lovely simple sentence to to say,
• 1:42:43
  and yet my mind is drawn to the sheer,
• 1:42:45
  scale of it. It's it's Okay. It's in the sense I don't mean in terms of I mean, I do think in terms of numbers because if people are not over here yet, a, I'd like to think that they're on their way here. So that's I think that's just a thing that I say to myself. Everybody's on their way here. They just don't know it yet. Yeah.
• 1:43:03
  But it's finding these ways to get through. I mean, do you think we're involved in a process of I know this is an old fashioned word, but do you think we're involved in a process of education?
• 1:43:11
  Unknown: Are we seeking to educate our fellow men and women? Is that what we're seeking to do? I I think do you know what I think? It's a bit like somebody telling you there's a great bargain in this. You can go buy your your your laptop at this price somewhere. I think it's just a bit of information share. It's not a big leap to be educated on it because I could never follow what Robin Hood does. That's so detailed and so mind boggling, And you've got to be in it, immersed, and almost you can't convey it back, you know, to the Oh, I think I know. I I have discussions with him about this, and there'll be more to go on. I mean, I'm sort of a bit of a gannet. I'll I'll just have a go at anything, really, but I I take your point. I I think it's the first thing. You're it's how to transmit things. How do you take a complicated idea
• 1:43:54
  Unknown: and boil it down literally to the fag packet presentation so that the man in the pub looks at you and goes, oh, I got that now. That's that's what we're after. So the two things. His his real life experience. Okay? Because we've all gone up in different ways against the council to argue, is council tax lawful?
• 1:44:10
  Unknown: Mhmm. Is it fraudulently charged?
• 1:44:12
  Well, for us, yes.
• 1:44:14
  And we argue it by saying,
• 1:44:16
  show us the instrument. Two things happen. Right? We say show us the instrument
• 1:44:20
  on which you rely to make this charge on us. Mhmm. And they keep quoting the 1992
• 1:44:26
  Local Finance Act. No. It just doesn't say that.
• 1:44:30
  It doesn't say that at all. And I think Robin Hood, all the people have taken that part. But we stand in our power on that, and we insist. And we say we say again, please show us. And then they say, we're not going to talk to you anymore.
• 1:44:42
  Or they'll turn it, as they did in my case, they'll say, well, oh, you must be one of those straw man people,
• 1:44:48
  people of the land. People of the land. And I go, oh, that's nice. You mean a peaceful? Anyway
• 1:44:54
  and well, the way the way this happens is you are
• 1:44:59
  you vote.
• 1:45:00
  You vote for a government. The government confers powers on us to make those charges to you.
• 1:45:06
  Okay? Well, there's a presumption. You presume I vote. I've taken myself off electoral register,
• 1:45:12
  and lots of people say that they they're not being allowed to now.
• 1:45:16
  But the very fact that you've made that representation three times, that's the magic. You write to them three times, and you keep a copy.
• 1:45:24
  I always
• 1:45:25
  provide a certificate of posting so that I can prove it was sent. And, also, you can see when they've opened the emails, you can do the tick returns. But Yes. You've requested it, so they have to do it. And if they don't, that's up to them because you've expressed your position.
• 1:45:38
  Then so that takes you out of that argument.
• 1:45:41
  They never can
• 1:45:43
  come back to you on that. And then finally,
• 1:45:47
  we have
• 1:45:48
  they they they will say, look. We're not gonna talk to you anymore then because, you know, we we're not showing the interim because you're asking something we can't do. Blah blah. So we say, well, then, therefore, we are in dispute at this point, which means no court can take that in when you're in dispute about the
• 1:46:04
  validity.
• 1:46:05
  So we also know that the the the
• 1:46:10
  orders, the warrants they put out to people are are not valid.
• 1:46:14
  So we've got all of those systems of just sending everything away.
• 1:46:18
  So
• 1:46:19
  so the electoral register is important, and, of course, we know that's important to them because they're suddenly now allowing 16 year olds to register a vote. Aren't they just? To register. Because they're mature enough to vote, but they're not Yeah. They're not mature enough to do other things, but they can certainly vote. Actually vote. No. They can't vote 16, but they can register, and that's the thing. So they're doing that because they know they need the numbers to get their numbers up. So we take ourself off of that. We we we don't pay the tax. We try to offer to pay for the services we use because we are clean hands,
• 1:46:49
  and they won't divide your bill accordingly.
• 1:46:52
  We do all of these sorts of things, and, ultimately, we do not engage
• 1:46:57
  in courts of law with them. Mhmm. But if we have to, we're gonna look for equity because you won't get it through the normal court.
• 1:47:04
  So that's how we go. We also have our trust as well. Everybody has that. And
• 1:47:09
  we we empower people
• 1:47:12
  on
• 1:47:13
  and we've got standard letters. We've got all that sort of way of showing the community how they can stand in their power. And then, obviously, the big, big thing is when you've got the numbers, you've got jurisdiction.
• 1:47:22
  So then you can have any case put into your court
• 1:47:26
  and adjudicated by your people. And in the cases when we've put those through, we've had it reported and recorded back into the Westminster judicial system, and we've had a reflection of what that decision is enacted.
• 1:47:39
  In one case, the woman got a child back, social services was sacked, and a counselor resigned for corruption on a second case. So all of these things
• 1:47:49
  have worked for us.
• 1:47:52
  So that's to me, that's quite simple. We've got 80 year olds doing it. We've got, you know Yep. 20 year olds. People understand because we do it together in a community. We work together, so we'll have that will be discussed in your community.
• 1:48:06
  Your facilitators will help you along with it, anything you need. And that's just like you would in proper community or family where people help each other with whatever their skills are. And that's what we're finding. We're finding a lot of erudite people coming in now with a lot of skills, a lot of ability to help. We're looking at everything from people who grow food
• 1:48:25
  to health hubs, everything. We're
• 1:48:28
  really, really looking alternatives for people because not everybody wants to rattle with twelve tablets a day. So, you know, but how do you get access to
• 1:48:38
  functional medicine?
• 1:48:39
  How do you? They won't give you that. So
• 1:48:42
  hopefully, we'll have these sorts of
• 1:48:45
  Unknown: centers certainly advise people. We've got people around who will get donate their time free to help people Right. In the community. So it's lovely. It's lovely. It sounds it. I mean, it just sounds fantastic. I mean, it sounds as though all these little steps, they're incrementally just moving people in the right direction, something to that effect. Yeah.
• 1:49:03
  Unknown: And what you'll find also, what's interesting is,
• 1:49:06
  it's a bit of a slog sometimes, but most of all, I've gotta say, when it starts to the penny's dropping and the community are getting happy, you can feel it. It's a bit like when you hear kids the excitement in kids when they've got some new toy or they're gonna do something. They're off on a trip, and they're all excited. Yeah. You can feel it. And one
• 1:49:24
  guy that locks up
• 1:49:26
  for well well, before we got so big in one area, we had to move to another space. We would just use this old library,
• 1:49:32
  and he was one of the custodians.
• 1:49:34
  And he was a Buddhist and really Zen and lovely and calm, and you could see him almost floating. You know? So I think, oh, no. I'm always coming in in a mad rush, and I must upset I upset. And he's floating, is he? Just floating through the room. Great. Love it. Yeah. And I come rushing down the path and all, like, I'm so sorry. I've able to get these chairs out. And I'm and I think, well, I'm really upsetting his little nice piece here. Anyway, he comes to lock up at the end of one of our meetings, and he said he could feel the energy as he came down the path. I mean, that's something, isn't it? That's wonderful. He could actually feel it, that people were so
• 1:50:07
  and I love that. That is an indication. And they do. They go out,
• 1:50:11
  oh, everybody gets empowered by each other. There's something about being in each other's company.
• 1:50:16
  They do say your biofuels when they mesh and you're all on the same page of trying to make something better, because that's the intention. Mhmm. You're all there together to try and create a better world.
• 1:50:27
  Something happens, and you can see it, and it's quite infectious.
• 1:50:30
  And people go out really happy. You can see them lifted.
• 1:50:34
  Unknown: And I'm not one of these who can see energies, but the other people who can see it. You know? When did when did Kabi start? Do you know? How how long has it been around? I'm just wondering. '19.
• 1:50:44
  Unknown: Okay. '19. And it was attacked. It was attacked. It went really big,
• 1:50:48
  and it was attacked internally, which is what they're doing in a lot of these groups as infiltrators.
• 1:50:54
  Unknown: You don't say. I'm familiar with that, and from personal experience from a long time back. Are you? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Am. Are you? Not with not with something like this, but with projects that I was involved with twenty five, thirty years ago. Yeah. So you suddenly go, oh right, that's why that guy was doing all that kind of stuff. When you're green, I
• 1:51:11
  was, it's just like, it's a bit of a shock.
• 1:51:14
  Oh, some people are bent. I do know. Mean, hear about it in books, and then you actually got them around you. You go, why? I mean, that's you go, why are you doing that? This is just so silly. But, I mean, you know, they are that way. They exist. I don't know what's going on that people have somehow, we seem to have missed it this time because it's they tried it, but we've got a couple of ours
• 1:51:33
  Unknown: quivers.
• 1:51:35
  A couple of arrows in our more arrows in our quiver. And, really, that would be we've got something called the Aurora
• 1:51:42
  group network,
• 1:51:44
  which is I mean, in this time and I've gotta say I believe it, and I didn't used to. But these people can they've got they can see energy. They can do things. They they go out of body. They travel the world. They can they know who's who. They know what energies we've got. They know when there's trouble being
• 1:52:01
  weighted on us. In fact, at the mycelium,
• 1:52:04
  somebody saw that we'd had satanic
• 1:52:06
  attack on the
• 1:52:08
  black magic done on the mycelium group. Right. And they cleansed it overnight. They cleansed it. And I didn't know that. I just felt it was really weird. And I wanted my back to the wall in the place, and I want to get out. Well, then and I said, I'm not going back the next day. And all these people did their work on it overnight. They could see it quickly, and it was lovely. The next day was a boon.
• 1:52:27
  Unknown: So And that is so interesting because this word,
• 1:52:30
  you know, satanic keeps coming up more and more frequently over the last few months around conversations here. And, you know, I think I understand in its original meaning, it means that the an adversary of God.
• 1:52:41
  That's really what it means. A shaitan
• 1:52:44
  is where it comes Or
• 1:52:46
  of the natural order of things. Yeah. A disturbing Yes.
• 1:52:50
  Unknown: And it's almost like that, as I go back to that little old Lord of the Rings where we are enchanted or that that that king was enchanted, it is like some some energy is coming around us, and a legislation is part of that being used to keep wrapping the thing around us and around us till we can hardly breathe,
• 1:53:08
  and we're just half half functioning.
• 1:53:11
  Well, not anymore. There's so many that are out of that, and there's nothing that could be done. No matter what they throw at them, they're rising out of it. So we do have those people that protect the group. We've got the people who see that. And there's always going to be descent and disharmony,
• 1:53:25
  whether it's intended or not. That's humanity, you know, human nature. But I think because
• 1:53:30
  it's so flatlined, Kabi is so flat, there's no hierarchy.
• 1:53:34
  No hierarchy. You'd have facilitators to start things, and they will get as much information because they're a little bit more
• 1:53:41
  chomping at the bit to want to get things going. Yes. And they can help that. But that's only like being a big sister that helps the little
• 1:53:49
  sibling with what they need to do, and then the rest start start firing. And each group has their interests, whatever it is that they want to do. Everybody's different.
• 1:53:58
  Every group is different. Every need is different. So it's just down to how you all mesh together and and hive off into little interest groups. And, of course, that makes us very in impenetrable
• 1:54:10
  as a group. Yes. Nine and a half thousand people at the minute. So, yeah, it's and that's just in That's a goodly size. That's a goodly size, isn't it? Yeah. It is. Yeah. It is. So there's usually a group somewhere nearby.
• 1:54:23
  Or if people join, when they join on the web, they
• 1:54:27
  will be told what the nearest group is and who will contact them.
• 1:54:31
  Or if they can tick the box they want to be a facilitator,
• 1:54:34
  we'll train them up, show them all the stuff. They've got special access to getting information and documents.
• 1:54:39
  And it's
• 1:54:40
  it's very
• 1:54:42
  it's a really nice thing. You know, you only
• 1:54:45
  we I don't remember how many groups we've got now, but it's in the hundreds.
• 1:54:50
  And it's ideal if they were broken down into smaller groups, but they tend to want to stay as they grow big, they just bounce off each other.
• 1:55:00
  And like in Glastonbury, it's about 60 people now, 65.
• 1:55:05
  And
• 1:55:06
  that's quite a big group to manage. That's why we had to keep moving. But,
• 1:55:10
  I think it's it's gonna happen everywhere. And when people understand
• 1:55:14
  what it can do for them in terms of getting their voices heard
• 1:55:18
  Unknown: and turning tables, really. Mhmm. Because at the end of the day, you know that expression, they work for you. Well, we don't see that, do we? But this is how you can. No. We don't, actually. It's funny you should point that out. No. No. We don't see that. They were they're working for another master. They're working for another I I I've mentioned it a few times. I sit around on some of these live newscast things on YouTube on the morning because I'm having my coffee and stuff when I'm setting the day up. And and I was talking to Eric about it pre show earlier in the afternoon. The thing that's really fascinating is the actual chat. Some of them are absolutely colossal. You can barely read it, but you're getting a feeling for the town and and the idea that the government is not our friend. I'm phrasing it very gently.
• 1:55:59
  They phrase it much more strongly, is just increasing in speed and coverage amongst people. Everybody's going, but they're organizing all this going, oh, great. Now that sort of sentence wasn't coming out of people's mouths
• 1:56:11
  Unknown: five and six years ago. No. It wasn't. That's Yeah.
• 1:56:15
  No. That's the truth. That is what's so lovely. Everybody's seeing it. But, obviously, then there's a panic for some of what do you replace it with? What can we have? Yeah. Well, this is it. You know, it's a big strategy. It's a big thought. It's a big game. And we see devolution. We know what that's about. I know that I know a lot of Welsh that were no Cymru.
• 1:56:33
  Mhmm. And they said they wanted to stay part of
• 1:56:35
  United Britain Mhmm. Because they say that they know the Soros ambition,
• 1:56:40
  that, you know, the cabalus of the world Yeah. Is to hive us off into the EU,
• 1:56:46
  Unknown: into one great big machine. Yeah. Well, we're not having any of that. Thanks very much for the invite, but, no, thanks. See you later. Here's your coat bugger off. Once. Right. We wouldn't do it once, and so now they're finding another way. It's almost like that horrible little
• 1:56:59
  Unknown: kid in the class that wants to go and steal something. He's gonna find some way of taking that thing. He's gonna keep coming back Yeah. Yeah. To try and get whatever it is he wants. You know? Yeah. That's what they're like. But we can easily anyway, so so so
• 1:57:14
  there is that aspect of it that
• 1:57:18
  people are people are definitely seeing, but they're scared about what's the alternative. Well, this is what it is. You create your community. If we all were responsible for our three, four thousand people in our immediate area
• 1:57:30
  Mhmm. If whatever it is, your town, village, you got bigger and bigger, if you all work together about what you need and what's the interest and you really, really had that
• 1:57:38
  you know? Because it's visible. But they're parents. People will know what their fathers or mothers said or did. You know? People with the interests of grandmas.
• 1:57:46
  You've got to have the interest of the people first, not who's paying you or what's what what the benefit is to you personally. So if you've got that egalitarian view,
• 1:57:54
  then you're unstoppable as a community. Do you know, in the past,
• 1:57:58
  in the medieval times, they used to have this thing called franken pledge,
• 1:58:01
  and that was where they would tithe
• 1:58:03
  10 families together so that they were responsible for each other.
• 1:58:08
  So whatever it was that went wrong or whatever, they would make reparation together as a group.
• 1:58:14
  And,
• 1:58:15
  Unknown: yeah, lovely. It it is. That that just sounds absolutely that's marvelous. I mean, we've got 15,000
• 1:58:22
  parishes, I understand,
• 1:58:24
  in England.
• 1:58:25
  So really, every single one needs a a cabbie hub. I'm just calling it that for now. That was a good idea. I never thought of that. Well, there's the parishes, and there are there are about a similar number of village halls connected with parishes, which are ideal and are ready to rock and roll.
• 1:58:40
  And I, you know, that that would be the the place to do it. Didi, we're we're coming up to the end of the hour. How are you for time? We've got another guest rolling up, Miles Flea. He's sitting he's sitting patiently in the studio. I hope he's enjoying things. But do you wanna talk a little bit longer? We could probably go five or ten minutes into the next hour. How how are fixed? You. I'm I'm happy with whatever works for you and your guests. Okay. Well, look, I think we'll overrun for because you were a little bit late. We lost a few minutes there. And Miles, if you're hearing this, we'll bring you on around about quarter past ten, if that's okay. So just make another cup of cocoa or something like that.
• 1:59:13
  So that's alright. I'm handling this well, aren't I? I'm handling it quite well. I've got to say goodbye though to one of our stations that picks us up. So we're
• 1:59:22
  just gonna leave you on WBN three two four now. We're here for two hours on WBN every Thursday, three till five US Eastern Time, eight till ten here in Jolly Old UK,
• 1:59:32
  and I've got a little song to play called the Vampire.
• 1:59:37
  Yes, the Vampire. How about that? I haven't I only caught a couple of bars of it. It's based on a poem by Rudyard Kipling, which I assume is or was called the vampire. So we're gonna play this. Runs for about five minutes. You can all go wet your whistle or whatever you need to do. I'll be back with Dee Dee just after the break for for a five or ten minute wrap up, and then we'll have Miles Fleetwood on round about quarter past ten. Here we go.
• 2:02:28
  Unknown: The
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  fool is stripped to his
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  foolish hide
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  even as you and me. Philosopher first,
• 2:02:52
  which is why That she might have seen when she threw him
• 2:03:35
  could understand.
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  Unknown: Well, that was the Vampire by
• 2:04:06
  by Rudyard Kipling. How about that?
• 2:04:10
  So
• 2:04:11
  I haven't read the poem,
• 2:04:13
  so I don't know what it's about, but I just found it today. That was quite nice. I hadn't even listened to that before I played it. So there you go. Oh, it's nice. It was quite It was good, wasn't it? Really good. Good. I really enjoyed it. Good for this time of night as well. Yeah. Yeah. So vampires,
• 2:04:28
  everybody. And of course, that is what we're up against, These blood sucking monsters who are draining us of everything they've got. I'm sure the vampire actually was is meant to be a warning to your East European peasants about certain types. Anyway, we won't go there because, you know, we want to stay on air and stuff like that.
• 2:04:45
  But we're
• 2:04:47
  we're here with you, DD. So Miles will bring her in about ten we got about ten minutes. We'll wrap up around about quarter past, and I think Anna's still here as well. I was just thinking, I ought to we probably on the next show, we need to get the two of you on at the same time because you did mention that. So from cathars to community
• 2:05:03
  and common law and all that kind of stuff, it'll be quite a mix, but it's been wonderful. It's history.
• 2:05:09
  Unknown: It's history. It's where we come from. It's where we can go. It's what we can use. It's all somebody once did think of us and and for us, and we were living quite harmoniously without issues.
• 2:05:19
  You know, I'm talking about pre nine hundreds.
• 2:05:23
  I'm not saying we have to go back to that, but there is a way. If you look at how community
• 2:05:27
  lived
• 2:05:28
  together,
• 2:05:29
  it wasn't always and I remember at school trying to find out about things like that. How how did things come into being? We understand when countries natural fact, for when France came over, it wasn't France. It was just Normans. It wasn't a country at the time. So lots of
• 2:05:45
  interesting things. But one of the things I did forget to say tonight,
• 2:05:48
  and that is about the aspects of being self sufficient,
• 2:05:53
  which is very much part of community as well. And if we're talking about scarcity or potential
• 2:05:58
  risk or
• 2:06:00
  whatever it is that they're going to impose next,
• 2:06:03
  that's another aspect of community. They're all working together on whether it's allotments, people's gardens, they're doing things
• 2:06:10
  or finding
• 2:06:13
  direct con contact with the local farms who can guarantee the the produce.
• 2:06:18
  Very much into that and and buying ethically and making and we've also got people in the group teaching you how to ferment food, how to
• 2:06:25
  how to make bread,
• 2:06:27
  how to how to make
• 2:06:30
  basics go a long way. So all that sort of thing is is being
• 2:06:35
  it's not planning for a future of scarcity. It's just saying how we can live more nutritionally and simply if we just took the time. And then there's a collective.
• 2:06:44
  So what we're hoping eventually to do is for those people that want to bake and do those things that we supply each other. Bake. Did you just say bake?
• 2:06:53
  Yeah.
• 2:06:54
  Unknown: Oh, no.
• 2:06:55
  Rhubarb crumble.
• 2:06:57
  Unknown: Yeah. I couldn't get any rhubarb this week. I've I've been banging on about crumbles for the last couple of weeks. I've been baking crumbles. Yeah. I but you know how you yeah. You know how you have these sort of services online where you can I don't know? Whatever. I want I want sort of
• 2:07:11
  I want a service where a lady,
• 2:07:14
  hopefully looking pretty much like my grandma, will come around to my house and bake me a pie, a fruit pie. I'd pay good money for that.
• 2:07:23
  I would I would have
• 2:07:25
  there's something about the love that goes into it with all those hands and all that flour and all that butter all over the place. And I'm going, yeah. So Italy is so strong in their food because they've got the nonna's still doing all that for the care and the love and making it the way it
• 2:07:40
  always works. Magic. It's magic. Now that it's disappearing,
• 2:07:43
  Unknown: it's just magical. I know. And especially when they got their use their false teeth to put the lovely pattern around the edge of the pie. That that really does that really does make it give
• 2:07:53
  it that extra
• 2:07:54
  chic quoi.
• 2:07:55
  Unknown: Yeah. This is this is Eric. Hello.
• 2:07:58
  Hello?
• 2:07:59
  DD. Eric. Eric. DD. Yeah. Eric.
• 2:08:01
  Eric's
• 2:08:03
  the Eric's the fat controller for the show at times, so that's really what's going on.
• 2:08:08
  I don't remember my grandma using her dentures. What's that? They're called pastry cutters. That's a very good idea though, Eric.
• 2:08:17
  That's brilliant. It is.
• 2:08:19
  Unknown: Well, I've got I've got some multipartners.
• 2:08:22
  We've some very sad news. My my
• 2:08:26
  auntie
• 2:08:27
  had a budgie. You remember those k budgie cages where they they had a spring
• 2:08:31
  sort of door
• 2:08:33
  where you can open it? Yeah. Well, this budgie used to actually
• 2:08:37
  bounce backwards and forwards on the door and then fly out and let himself out.
• 2:08:43
  And,
• 2:08:43
  know, he used to come back again. Well, unfortunately,
• 2:08:46
  before we went there for Sunday lunch, he said the Bungee is no more. He went into a dive and filled the Sego pudding.
• 2:08:56
  That Sego pudding. I can still taste those feathers in it. Know? Sorry. I'm joking.
• 2:09:02
  Unknown: Twenty twenty blackbird.
• 2:09:05
  Unknown: Yes. Yes.
• 2:09:06
  So what a way to go, you know, die.
• 2:09:08
  Unknown: I don't think you could pull out the dive. You just went straight to the I think that's the way he wanted to go, though. He's not just for a loop, Didi, with with saying baking. It's it's no good. I'm just sat here looking. I couldn't get any rhubarb. I'll tell you what. By the way, did you when did you last have gooseberry pie? You ever had any? Oh, never. Yeah. You can't get them. Can you? Where are bloody gooseberries? So tart.
• 2:09:31
  That's so tart though, isn't it? Well, it's just they're just fantastic. Yeah. They're a bright different taste. The season used to be so short. I think it's only August or something. It only lasts for about three or four weeks. Yeah. We used to have a local greengrocer here. Of course, it went the way of a lot of things courtesy of the old convid thing. And it was the liveliest shop on the high street. Was greengrocers where people make a lot of noise. I miss
• 2:09:56
  all that. The the shot of you know when you were just talking about that Buddhist guy saying he could feel the energy it's that sort of energy that's missing from street lights. It is. Used to be present. Yeah. Yeah. You know? You're right. How are we gonna get that back?
• 2:10:10
  Unknown: Don't know. We all become green grocers, I suppose, called, you know, mister Smith from Bolton or something. And Well, do you know what I would love? Do know they did this in Stroud? They had this thing where you could go after
• 2:10:19
  work, and they'd be like they they called it the long table, I think. It's when they're doing one of those strange sort of community situations.
• 2:10:27
  Mhmm. And all this food was donated from farms and shops and various places, and they would make it go. And they would actually put the price up to tell you how much a meal would cost for them to make it there. But they would make it nicely.
• 2:10:39
  And and then people could just come in with their kids or grandmas or whatever it was after anyway, after work, go in there and just eat on a long table. Mhmm. As if you were in a yeah. And and everything was made homemade
• 2:10:52
  and and done that way. So that's
• 2:10:55
  I thought that was a great idea with people with kids rushing them from one thing after school to another. How lovely to have almost like to have your mother there making dinner for you,
• 2:11:05
  but you're in a social community
• 2:11:08
  way. I mean, it's eat and go, but it's still people together.
• 2:11:12
  I think it's a really nice way of doing things, and you could actually those people with time on their hands could do the village hall, and you could come in and get your pie, your homemade pie by by some expert that was adjudicated to be the best one to make them. You know, you'd eventually find that lovely old lady. Yeah. You could just pick it up on your way home. Yeah. That's it. What we need we need is grandmabaking.net.
• 2:11:33
  Unknown: That's what we need. Love it. We need it. Agree. We could bake our way back to freedom, everybody. I think, know, never underestimate the power of the pie.
• 2:11:43
  Unknown: Yeah. Do you know what they did? I think it don't don't hold me on this. I think it was in Bristol, but don't hold me on this. They actually
• 2:11:50
  got food donated. I think they got it from supermarkets,
• 2:11:54
  you know, out of date stuff. And they didn't put a price on anything.
• 2:11:58
  And you paid what you could afford.
• 2:12:01
  And they're making Yeah. Quite a lot of money because very rich people will go in there, have a delicious meal,
• 2:12:07
  and pay more than they would pay in a cafe or restaurant.
• 2:12:10
  And then the poor will go in, they'd eat their meal, and they they couldn't afford to pay it. They were nobody was made to feel embarrassed. They just okay. There was actually I I think they was making more money than the older cafes around because
• 2:12:22
  the rich went in there, and there was the rich was sitting next to the poor people. He didn't make that. It was a very nice environment.
• 2:12:28
  And you just went in and you just paid what you thought the meal was worth.
• 2:12:31
  Unknown: Exactly. That's what they were about up at Stroud. They did that on the long table. I don't think I don't know if it's still going, but, yeah, same thing, same principle. We could do that in a lot of places.
• 2:12:41
  And then there's also trade offs. You know, a lot of people are not earning big money, but they can trade their skills or their ability. That's what you do in the proper community when all the banks fail and everything else. We've all got things we can do. So When all the banks fail, they're not they're not going to fail. You can trust me. I'm a banker.
• 2:12:58
  Unknown: Everything's going to be solid and ship shape. It's all gonna turn out marvelously well.
• 2:13:03
  I mean, it
• 2:13:05
  just is. I've have you noticed as well, we got to just wrap up here because Miles
• 2:13:10
  is chomping at the bit, I'm gonna bring him on in a minute. But
• 2:13:13
  I was just we used to have Dennis Healy as the chancellor of ex Shekhar didn't we? Now we've got another Healy.
• 2:13:20
  What what is it? Is this some sort of sign? Have we? Yeah yeah the the current chancellor, he used to be the defense secretary, he's now been lobbed into the economy. I heard someone saying that he's he's suddenly realized how bad it is and you're going oh please. It's like being governed by uneducated
• 2:13:36
  malingering children of the worst type. It's just it's all a surprise to them. Oh, it's really bad. Yeah. I know. But it's our fault. It's our fault because we stand back and we don't do anything about it. You know? Oh, well. Well, you are doing something about it. Well, frighten the frighten the chancellor, creep up behind him, and just say the word usury. Because
• 2:13:57
  that's what they're terrified of everybody finding out about, the usury scam. We'll we'll get that one across. We'll get that one across. It's it's all doable, isn't it? Anyway, I was just thinking, we probably better say goodbye to you. Yeah. You're welcome. Dee Dee and and to Anna as well.
• 2:14:13
  I
• 2:14:14
  won't worry because it's only what? It's only quarter past ten, so you probably got a good pub to go to. It's a bit like at the end of I wanna say thank you to you because I honestly was not feeling great tonight. I I was one of those things Oh, don't mention it. You're talking so much. And I had when I got honey
• 2:14:29
  and lemon Yeah. Thought, oh, I gotta do this thing at 09:00. Anyway and it's been a delight listening to you both. Really nice. It's been a delight listening to you both. Down the pub. It's been delight. Yeah. You need to get down the pub. I used to have a mate. When we were at parties and he wanted to clear his house, he'd go around and shout, and you all got pubs to be going to. This is like 01:00 in the morning, so that's how we end things. Yeah, love it. Yeah, fantastic. They're here
• 2:14:54
  at 09:00, there's nobody in them. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna pester Maria and shout out to Maria again. Thank you very much for setting up this part of the show tonight. It's been brilliant. And I'd like to get both of you back at least one more time before the year's out. So we're just this is the last Thursday in the summer, so it's autumn next Thursday, apparently, according to something. Yeah.
• 2:15:13
  Is. Yeah. Is. We'll be past the September 20, won't we? I guess we've got clocks to look forward to and putting up your stockings and all that kind of stuff. It's all fun fun fun around here. So Yeah. Anyway, DD,
• 2:15:26
  thank you so much for for dropping by and good luck with the lemon juice and all that kind of stuff. Also to you, Anna. It's been wonderful. Really enjoyed it. Okay. Thank you. And thank you, Eric. Thank you, everybody. Bye bye. Pleasure. Cool. Bye for now. I'm gonna play I'm gonna play the telephone heist, which lacks a minute, and then we're gonna bring Miles on.
• 2:15:45
  Unknown: We committed light telephone fraud as a family,
• 2:15:49
  and it was my mother's idea.
• 2:15:52
  Long distance actually cost money,
• 2:15:55
  so you did not call somebody just to chat.
• 2:15:58
  You called collect.
• 2:16:00
  The operator comes on the line, asks who is calling,
• 2:16:04
  and then asks the house whether they will accept the charges.
• 2:16:09
  And somewhere along the way, every family in America worked out the exact same thing.
• 2:16:16
  The name you give the operator does not have to be a name.
• 2:16:20
  It can be the message.
• 2:16:23
  Operator,
• 2:16:24
  I have a collect call from we got there safe.
• 2:16:28
  And my father, who never once accepted a charge in his life, says no thank you, hangs up the phone, turns around, and tells my mother that we got there safe, free.
• 2:16:41
  You had to say it fast before she cut you off.
• 2:16:45
  And some of those operators knew exactly what you were doing and let you finish anyway.
• 2:16:52
  That is not nostalgia.
• 2:16:54
  That is a heist.
• 2:16:57
  Unknown: Cool. We didn't have long telephone charges, did we? But I thought that was quite naughty of the Americans to do that.
• 2:17:04
  Did you get the They're trust calls.
• 2:17:06
  American
• 2:17:07
  type out there, you're all very very naughty and lawbreakers,
• 2:17:10
  terrible back on the trunk call days. Yeah, cool though. Yeah. I love that. Apparently everybody in America was doing that. Yeah, who's calling? We got there safely.
• 2:17:18
  It's great. It's cool. Anyway,
• 2:17:21
  you've set it up at last miles we've talked about you over and over and over oh he's gone where did he go
• 2:17:28
  oh he's just disappeared
• 2:17:35
  Did you see him on the stage and he just legged it?
• 2:17:38
  Unknown: No. Miles, where have you gone? He he has got WhatsApp. We could get him through WhatsApp. Oh, no. It's okay.
• 2:17:44
  Unknown: Hello, Miles. Happened there. Hello. You just you just run for cover, didn't you? We know what's going on. It's it's terrible around here. It's terrible. I want to thank you for your patience. We just we had a few technicals during the previous hour, and and we
• 2:17:59
  just got Didi and Anna on, and it was we were just a bit on a roll. So I think I filled you in verbally, so you would have heard it in the background, wouldn't you? So, anyway, it's lovely to get here.
• 2:18:09
  Eric calls me up and bends my ear about getting you on the show and stuff like that, and he's just managed to do it at the last minute. So well done. It's great to have you here. Oh, and it's good to be here.
• 2:18:19
  It's good. It's cool. And you are Miles Fleetwood?
• 2:18:22
  Unknown: How are you doing? Hang on. Doctor Miles Fleetwood.
• 2:18:25
  Unknown: Doctor Miles Fleetwood. Sorry. Well. I'll come in again. And you are doctor Miles Fleetwood. We've got to get it right. And basically, if it wasn't for you, Eric would be coming a part of the seams, I understand. That's right. I think he still is actually.
• 2:18:44
  Unknown: You've got enough
• 2:18:45
  super glue, can do a few things, but you know, they just don't produce enough supplements for you. That's a good thing.
• 2:18:54
  Unknown: Oh fantastic, this is really good. Yeah, we like this. This is good. Okay,
• 2:18:59
  Unknown: well it was interesting listening to the last person because I saw
• 2:19:04
  a nice little link between what
• 2:19:06
  she was saying and what I feel about things.
• 2:19:10
  Yes.
• 2:19:10
  The the
• 2:19:12
  main thing is she's looking at it from, I shouldn't say she, was it Anna?
• 2:19:18
  Unknown: That was Dee Dee who was the main boy. Yeah Anna was, no it's okay, Anna was on for the first hour and they know each other really well. They're thick as thieves. I don't know if that's the right phrase.
• 2:19:28
  Unknown: Didi was kind of talking, as far as I was concerned, about
• 2:19:34
  the great outside.
• 2:19:36
  I'm sort of more concerned about the great inside as in the inside of a human human being.
• 2:19:41
  Hence
• 2:19:43
  why I'm
• 2:19:44
  actually
• 2:19:45
  got quite a few qualifications.
• 2:19:52
  Unknown: Hello. We just lost him. Hang on.
• 2:19:57
  Hello? We just lost, yeah you're back again. Come back again, yeah.
• 2:20:00
  Unknown: It's okay, we only lost you for a couple of seconds don't worry So about I've got quite a few trainings in quite a few big disciplines, mean if you look at
• 2:20:09
  the things that I'm trained in, there's in total somewhere around about twenty years worth of study there.
• 2:20:15
  Yes. So
• 2:20:17
  yeah, and
• 2:20:19
  it's not my first career
• 2:20:21
  which is it's not my first rodeo.
• 2:20:25
  I
• 2:20:26
  started out in life training as an engineer,
• 2:20:30
  a mechanical engineer actually, and then I changed to,
• 2:20:33
  that was at the Royal National Orthopedic Hospital in Stanmore,
• 2:20:37
  an absolutely amazing hospital for orthopedics.
• 2:20:41
  When would this be Miles? What decade When would I was 17, I was a wee lad,
• 2:20:46
  and I came out of
• 2:20:49
  school
• 2:20:50
  and did a day release course which was a marvelous idea in my opinion.
• 2:20:56
  It gave me the opportunity to study for two, well a day and a half a week
• 2:21:03
  at college
• 2:21:04
  and to earn some money at the same time.
• 2:21:08
  And that was for an ONC
• 2:21:10
  or an Ordinary National Certificate.
• 2:21:13
  Oh I remember those. Yeah and it was quite a good education actually, know. I had done a physics o level, so it was a nice move on from that into the engineering side of things.
• 2:21:26
  And
• 2:21:28
  I was
• 2:21:29
  very involved in
• 2:21:32
  bone and joint replacement
• 2:21:34
  components or the design of them.
• 2:21:37
  And
• 2:21:39
  even to the fact that
• 2:21:41
  occasionally I would go into the theatre, the Operating Theatre and assemble them in the city ready to be put into a patient which amazed me and I loved all that.
• 2:21:51
  Was a little bit older than 17 when I was doing that, I was probably around about 20 when I started doing that.
• 2:21:58
  Then I did an HND
• 2:22:01
  in general engineering rather than mechanical engineering.
• 2:22:06
  And I actually left the hospital because
• 2:22:09
  fantastic
• 2:22:10
  place as far as the patients are concerned,
• 2:22:14
  not for junior
• 2:22:17
  lab tech, a great place to be realistically.
• 2:22:21
  And also not
• 2:22:23
  at at the time, I think it's a lot better now. But I I literally nipped round the corner and went to
• 2:22:31
  another
• 2:22:32
  engineering establishment
• 2:22:34
  called
• 2:22:35
  Marconi Space and Defense Systems. Oh, we've heard of them. Yes. We've heard of
• 2:22:41
  Marconi Space. Yes. Okay. And that was quite amazing because I had I felt like a bit like James Bond, you know, he had to be screened and
• 2:22:49
  checked out that you're not a
• 2:22:51
  not a sort of extremist in any way, shape, or form. Did did they issue you with a Walter PPK,
• 2:22:58
  Unknown: Miles? Absolutely.
• 2:23:00
  Unknown: And all these
• 2:23:01
  sort of lovely babes were sort of attracted to me. I don't know why. Jolly good. I think it was stories we want at late night on a Thursday. Great. Yeah. But but a woman I think it was the Linx aftershave that was doing it, though.
• 2:23:15
  Unknown: Yeah. But hang on a moment. I think one of those bows, a woman came into your
• 2:23:18
  your shop the other day, and her leg fell off. You said, that's okay. She's a loose woman. Sorry.
• 2:23:23
  Unknown: Terrible. So first of all, I I learned how to glue people together, and then I learned how to sort of blow them up.
• 2:23:31
  I stayed at Marconi, and that's where I did a degree in engineering, electronic engineering,
• 2:23:36
  production, and design.
• 2:23:38
  And if it hadn't been for Marconi, I wouldn't have got that. There's no way. I I'm not that clever.
• 2:23:44
  So
• 2:23:45
  went out and left Marconi as soon as I'd got it. So that was another great move. Legged it with the Walter PPK. Got you. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 2:23:56
  And went into
• 2:23:59
  computer maintenance, I suppose you'd call it, and communication
• 2:24:03
  maintenance.
• 2:24:04
  So I was a field engineer at first, then I became a support engineer
• 2:24:08
  for three different companies in a row, and just
• 2:24:12
  was grabbing the money as I was going, basically.
• 2:24:16
  And that's why I'm able now to do the job I'm doing now, which I love, and I should have always done it before,
• 2:24:22
  but it doesn't earn me much money. It's What is the job that you are doing now then? Right. It's multi How do you describe it? How would I describe it? It's multifaceted,
• 2:24:33
  and don't get me wrong, there's still bad sides to it.
• 2:24:37
  Unknown: Dealing with Eric for one I suppose.
• 2:24:39
  Unknown: The
• 2:24:42
  first
• 2:24:43
  thing need
• 2:24:45
  to explain is that I've got a health food shop that I'm the proprietor of.
• 2:24:51
  I don't physically own the shop but I own all the products that are in there. I rent the shop and
• 2:24:57
  in there there's a treatment room and inside the treatment room I
• 2:25:03
  do consultations
• 2:25:04
  with
• 2:25:08
  nutritional
• 2:25:09
  patients, so patients who are needing nutritional help,
• 2:25:13
  and
• 2:25:15
  more now towards the acupuncture.
• 2:25:19
  And I really
• 2:25:20
  need to get some more
• 2:25:24
  going with Chinese herbs.
• 2:25:26
  Unknown: That's my determination this year. You're bit qualified in it, aren't you? I am qualified. Yes. You've got a BSc in natural therapy
• 2:25:34
  and in traditional Chinese medicine. Traditional Chinese medicine. Yeah. And
• 2:25:41
  Unknown: so
• 2:25:43
  it's it's a great introductory
• 2:25:46
  to
• 2:25:47
  someone if they come in and they say I like,
• 2:25:51
  let's look at
• 2:25:55
  Chris as an,
• 2:25:57
  or I should say Eric as a
• 2:26:04
  He's done some work around his
• 2:26:06
  eyes which seems to have been very successful and very good.
• 2:26:11
  I'm sure he can elaborate on that in a few minutes.
• 2:26:15
  However there's a work in progress which is he's got what's called Dupuytren's contracture which is a finger on
• 2:26:23
  him it's his little finger
• 2:26:25
  and it's on it's on your left hand isn't it from memory? No it's right hand. Say that again Myles, what's he got? What was the name of that? Dupuytren's contracture.
• 2:26:35
  Unknown: Jupiter's
• 2:26:36
  contracture.
• 2:26:37
  Eric, you've got an exotic thing. I know.
• 2:26:41
  Unknown: Means It like
• 2:26:42
  It means I can pick my nose easy more easier because my little fingers going up. Hello, Eric. Hello, I'm here.
• 2:26:48
  Unknown: Can you hear me? Okay. I'll carry on. I can't hear Eric, actually. Whether he said something or not, I don't know. And
• 2:26:56
  this is actually a Viking trait. So believe it or not, Eric is a a Viking.
• 2:27:03
  Unknown: Miles they made a film with that title Eric the Viking didn't they? Yeah.
• 2:27:08
  Unknown: What with Eric the Viking? Yeah yeah that's that is him.
• 2:27:14
  Unknown: Bloody hell.
• 2:27:16
  Unknown: Maniac!
• 2:27:17
  What
• 2:27:19
  happens is the
• 2:27:21
  tendons
• 2:27:22
  start to shorten
• 2:27:25
  and so it's dragging that finger,
• 2:27:27
  that little finger, into a position where it's as if it's gripping something.
• 2:27:33
  So the rest of his hand may be out straight and that finger is bent and bending
• 2:27:37
  in towards the
• 2:27:39
  palm of his hand.
• 2:27:41
  We've
• 2:27:42
  done some,
• 2:27:44
  we've actually worked on it for some time
• 2:27:46
  but I can't get hold of one product that I'm trying to get for him.
• 2:27:51
  Unknown: A battle axe?
• 2:27:53
  Well, we could do that. Yeah. That was one because that's probably why it's curling in. It's an old thing from holding battle axes, Eric. That's what it will be. Yeah. Yeah. It could well be.
• 2:28:02
  Unknown: I did suggest, hitting it with a hammer, I think, on Wednesday when he came in. Yeah.
• 2:28:08
  I
• 2:28:10
  Unknown: like the idea of where you work, Miles. This is great. Bang. It sounds really good. Unfortunately,
• 2:28:16
  Unknown: I didn't have a hammer handy, so it wasn't
• 2:28:19
  it wasn't the
• 2:28:21
  pathway that we took. So
• 2:28:25
  having a having worked in a real scientific environment in the
• 2:28:30
  at Marconi and at
• 2:28:32
  the hospital,
• 2:28:34
  I'm quite scientific in my approach and my
• 2:28:38
  feelings towards
• 2:28:40
  natural medicine.
• 2:28:42
  Unknown: And
• 2:28:44
  Unknown: I think the biggest so
• 2:28:46
  I'm gonna tell you about two things that the other other lady, Didi, was talking about and touched on and that I'm gonna drag in actually because
• 2:28:55
  I actually feel the biggest problem that we've got
• 2:28:59
  is that
• 2:29:01
  farmers
• 2:29:02
  are paid for weight of their produce virtually across the board.
• 2:29:07
  Unless it's something like caviar where you oh, you've got to have beluga or something like this. Know, It it really, if you're growing carrots, so if you're in the mainstream,
• 2:29:17
  realistically,
• 2:29:18
  they're paid by weight.
• 2:29:20
  And
• 2:29:21
  it's getting a little bit better because we're now getting some organic produce coming in
• 2:29:27
  again in the mainstream,
• 2:29:28
  and when I say mainstream, supermarkets and
• 2:29:31
  the like,
• 2:29:32
  and they're becoming more available
• 2:29:35
  at a good price, at a
• 2:29:38
  reasonable price. But unfortunately
• 2:29:41
  if you've taken
• 2:29:43
  the nutrients out of the soil for the last sixty, seventy years since World War II is what I'm saying,
• 2:29:51
  soils are just depleted,
• 2:29:53
  there's nothing in them.
• 2:29:54
  We put three minerals on, KPN, we put on potassium,
• 2:30:00
  nitrogen and phosphorus and that's it.
• 2:30:02
  Well we don't need those three nutrients, what a surprise, we only need them in small quantities, relatively small quantities.
• 2:30:09
  What we need is zinc and calcium and magnesium
• 2:30:12
  and boron and all of those are gone. They went a long time ago because if you
• 2:30:18
  think of it like a bank account,
• 2:30:21
  I go up to the bank and I take,
• 2:30:25
  well let's take what the
• 2:30:28
  medical fraternity say, 90 nutrients out. So I take out 90 pounds at a time but every time I go there I put three pounds back in. Well it's not going to last long, my money is it? No. So it's the same with the soil. The soils are depleted and they're
• 2:30:43
  finished now. So yeah, getting growing in allotments
• 2:30:47
  and
• 2:30:48
  putting horse muck on it, putting chicken muck on it and the things like that so that you're getting those nutrients back into the soil, recondition it,
• 2:30:57
  re establish a
• 2:30:59
  good
• 2:31:02
  bio,
• 2:31:03
  whatever you want to call it, biosphere in the soil, know, so we actually make the soil better. We would then make the general health of the people much better, and
• 2:31:14
  first step towards healthy people.
• 2:31:17
  Unknown: There was a film Miles, know, released about
• 2:31:20
  two years ago called, I think it's called Six Inches of Soil,
• 2:31:25
  and the whole pitch of it is exactly what you're talking about. He's saying, look the whole of the world runs
• 2:31:31
  on six inches of soil, this soil that's got the right stuff in it or it doesn't,
• 2:31:36
  and
• 2:31:38
  This is a universal proposition isn't it? If this stuff's not going into people's bodies, their bodies are gonna in due course wear out and start collapsing all over the place for this that and the other reason. Absolutely.
• 2:31:49
  Unknown: Well the other thing is
• 2:31:51
  I actually did tried doing this while I was still
• 2:31:55
  a
• 2:31:56
  computer engineer. I had a a garden
• 2:31:59
  at my house that was a 100 foot long, and I made half of it into
• 2:32:06
  growing crops. It was like an allotment
• 2:32:09
  and in fact it was like a quarter of it was allotment and a quarter of it was a mini vineyard, mini
• 2:32:16
  orchard, sorry. And it was absolutely phenomenal. I had
• 2:32:21
  so much produce I was giving it away to everyone
• 2:32:24
  and I, it was easy to grow. The winter wasn't so good. I didn't get so much in the winter but during the summer I had beans, I had lettuce, I had
• 2:32:35
  radish, you you name it, peas, a lot, all growing like mad.
• 2:32:39
  And, yeah,
• 2:32:41
  I was just giving it away.
• 2:32:42
  And and then comes the autumn and the orchard started producing all of its fruit and everything. Unfortunately I don't live there at the moment. I still own the house but I let it.
• 2:32:53
  Finances have got the better of me.
• 2:32:59
  So that's one thing that we need to get that. And then
• 2:33:04
  Didi actually touched on
• 2:33:06
  the energies, how certain people can feel and see energies.
• 2:33:11
  And
• 2:33:13
  another
• 2:33:14
  really interesting
• 2:33:17
  aspect when I first
• 2:33:19
  started in nutrition,
• 2:33:22
  well before I had the
• 2:33:25
  PhD
• 2:33:26
  in nutritional science,
• 2:33:28
  I
• 2:33:30
  worked in
• 2:33:32
  a very affluent area of London. I I don't know. Can I say where?
• 2:33:37
  Unknown: Should we all guess? Catford?
• 2:33:39
  No. No. No. No. No. No. Frickston. Come on, Eric. You take a peek. No. Yeah. Affluent. Eric, no. I thought you said affluent.
• 2:33:46
  Sorry.
• 2:33:49
  Unknown: It was no. It's a very affluent area. And
• 2:33:53
  I met someone
• 2:33:54
  sorry. I should explain. I've got a machine that helps me to diagnose and it's called a Vega machine.
• 2:34:01
  And you put
• 2:34:03
  files of
• 2:34:06
  different nutrients into the machine
• 2:34:09
  and the machine then assesses whether you've got enough of that nutrient.
• 2:34:15
  And
• 2:34:16
  it does it with food intolerances amongst other things. And I was doing food intolerances
• 2:34:21
  and this person said to me
• 2:34:24
  I can tell what they are. And I said what really? And they
• 2:34:29
  hold an electrode and you complete the circuit by putting another electrode on the other hand either on their finger or on their thumb.
• 2:34:36
  And I said well what's this one? Oh that's apple, that's quite straightforward you know. And I was like, what? And what's this one? I'm not so sure about that one.
• 2:34:47
  Is
• 2:34:47
  that orange? And it would be tangerine or something like that. And I was like this is incredible.
• 2:34:54
  And so I talked more with that person and got into it a little bit and they could actually feel
• 2:35:01
  colors as well as feeling
• 2:35:03
  what was going on via this machine. They could feel colors and they could feel
• 2:35:08
  edges of
• 2:35:10
  doorways and things like that. Not that that's particularly helpful but there is this other sense that we've got. That's what surprised me with it.
• 2:35:18
  And
• 2:35:19
  this other sense,
• 2:35:22
  evidently they belonged to a group that met and they actually tried to
• 2:35:27
  get more sensation
• 2:35:31
  Unknown: from these things. Now I'm not very good I think Miles that I think we mentioned this the other week, the Greeks, I can't list them all, but you know we're told that we've got five senses, but I think the Greeks had eight or nine down,
• 2:35:45
  including
• 2:35:46
  intuition,
• 2:35:47
  clairaudience,
• 2:35:48
  clairvoyance, telepathy,
• 2:35:50
  other qualities or skills that seem to be more readily available three three four thousand years ago, things that were actually noted by them, something that we seem to have lost maybe with the
• 2:36:01
  this is like a cliche, but with the atrophying or the stultifying of the pineal and other glands in the body because we've got the glands are amazing and they're Oh, absolutely.
• 2:36:12
  Unknown: They're just amazing things. And another thing on that that's just sprung straight into my mind, so I'm gonna say about it. I
• 2:36:20
  I went out to,
• 2:36:24
  well, Arizona,
• 2:36:25
  basically.
• 2:36:26
  And
• 2:36:27
  I went, while I was out there I got on one of these
• 2:36:31
  sweat lodge
• 2:36:35
  huts that you would go into and they burn sage and you'd get you know you'd go into a different space and time and what have you. Well, that happened,
• 2:36:45
  but
• 2:36:47
  I was speaking to the guy who was running it, and he was sort of big chief sitting bull or something. I don't know what his name. I can't remember But he was one of those blasted Indians, was he? I got you. Blasted Indians. Yeah.
• 2:37:01
  Cheeky little fellow he was. And
• 2:37:04
  and he said, well,
• 2:37:06
  hold on. I'll just I'll just think that message through. And he would and I said, what? He said,
• 2:37:13
  quiet just quiet for a minute. And and it there was silence. And then he said, dumb. Alright. That's dumb. And I said, what what what do you mean you sort the message through? No.
• 2:37:23
  I've sort it to
• 2:37:26
  the chap back in the office,
• 2:37:28
  he'll
• 2:37:29
  act on that. He'll get that and he'll act on it. It was sort of,
• 2:37:34
  can you put my bag out the way or something. It was something very minor. And I said, what, are you telepathic?
• 2:37:41
  Well he said well yeah sort of. He'll probably get that and he'll probably move it. I said that's fantastic. Said well not really.
• 2:37:48
  Most of the real native Americans have this skill and know how it is used, and a lot of them can still use it. But
• 2:37:57
  he said, you've got a cell phone, so you don't need it.
• 2:38:01
  And I suddenly thought, yeah, we're just we're getting more and more equipment,
• 2:38:06
  whereas really what we need to do is train to do that.
• 2:38:10
  Unknown: Yeah. It's more fun. It's more romantic,
• 2:38:13
  and it's more appealing in many ways. It's like the the stories that you would have read and been enchanted by as a child, and then I just sent this thought off and two hours later this happened.
• 2:38:23
  We wouldn't have thought. It's like the sort of things you dream about when you're a child.
• 2:38:27
  Unknown: Yeah, he got back, the guy had put, I think it was a bag, he had put the bag around the back of the desk,
• 2:38:33
  know, out of sight of everybody, And he just felt that he needed to do that. Now that's that's mad in my opinion. I'm I'm excited to It's wonderful. Be It's mad and it's wonderful. It's wonderful. Yeah. It is. And then the other thing was I went in this hut and it was sort of dawn was just breaking.
• 2:38:52
  And we went in the hut, and we smoked the peace part, all the usual stuff. And then they start burning the sage, and they start playing this drum. And you're away, and you think and then they say, right. We're going out now.
• 2:39:05
  We just let the air come in first of all and they open up the the they've got like a skin over the door, know, an animal skin of some kind. And
• 2:39:14
  we got out there and I said, wait a minute, what's going on?
• 2:39:18
  It was
• 2:39:19
  dark.
• 2:39:20
  Now I as far as I was concerned, I've been in there a couple of hours.
• 2:39:25
  No. I hadn't. I've been in there about sort of
• 2:39:28
  sixteen hours or something. It it was dusk when we were in there, or dawn, I should say, and it was dusk when we came out of there. And somewhere,
• 2:39:38
  somehow,
• 2:39:39
  I went away for
• 2:39:41
  twelve hours. I don't know where I was because it it didn't feel like I was in there that long.
• 2:39:47
  Unknown: Mhmm. And and that's another thing. It's a bit like it sounds a bit like a normal year over the last few years where they last about ten minutes. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. That's because you're getting old.
• 2:39:59
  I I don't know about
• 2:40:02
  Unknown: there a aahuasca involved? Yeah. Hang on. Was there aahuasca involved? Reasons, but so am I. And isn't it great?
• 2:40:10
  Unknown: The other option is not so good. You wanna get old because the other option's a bad option.
• 2:40:16
  Unknown: Yes.
• 2:40:18
  Well, it's just an option, and we all take it at some point, but it's nice to get older,
• 2:40:23
  Unknown: isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Get older So
• 2:40:26
  and and I've had a very strange sort of day today as well. There's another thing that's gone on.
• 2:40:33
  I,
• 2:40:34
  a few weeks ago, how many weeks ago? Three
• 2:40:38
  and a bit weeks ago,
• 2:40:40
  I
• 2:40:42
  managed to break my wrist. We won't go into
• 2:40:45
  Wise and Will's
• 2:40:48
  house,
• 2:40:49
  but I did.
• 2:40:50
  I'd
• 2:40:52
  read a report about
• 2:40:55
  I do loads of research into
• 2:40:58
  healing, different healing research,
• 2:41:01
  and I'd read a report and I think it was from
• 2:41:04
  the University of Cincinnati and Qing Ling University in China
• 2:41:09
  And they combined some research and have decided that
• 2:41:13
  their research showed them
• 2:41:16
  that
• 2:41:18
  antler
• 2:41:19
  healed bone,
• 2:41:21
  break in a bone that would take
• 2:41:25
  about six weeks to heal under normal conditions.
• 2:41:29
  If you took antler you would get it healing in about two weeks.
• 2:41:33
  Unknown: What's antler? Do you mean literally the powdered antlers of a beast? Right now that's
• 2:41:39
  Unknown: how I read it. Yeah.
• 2:41:41
  I've then still got a mentor for Chinese medicine
• 2:41:45
  and I got in touch with him and he said oh it's a velvet you want,
• 2:41:49
  antler velvet,
• 2:41:51
  and yeah go to a certain shop in London
• 2:41:55
  and tell them that I sent you because animal
• 2:41:58
  products are a no no.
• 2:42:00
  So that's why I'm not giving you the name of his name or the name of the shop. You didn't say anything, Miles. We didn't hear you at all. Yeah. No. If we understand. And,
• 2:42:08
  and they sent me out some antler velvet.
• 2:42:12
  Well, it played absolute havoc with my digestive
• 2:42:16
  system. Let's put it that way. That's a polite way of putting it. However, you know, we're in Eric's Bailliwick now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:42:25
  And I went along to the hospital today
• 2:42:29
  and
• 2:42:30
  Unknown: Oh, good. To get a checkup on my wrist.
• 2:42:34
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:42:35
  And and they excised my wrist, and they said,
• 2:42:38
  that's healed.
• 2:42:40
  And that's amazing. It's healed very, very quickly, they said. And I said, oh, yeah. I've been taking a Chinese herb, you know. Oh, no. No. It won't be to do that. It's it's just you're you're very healthy at the moment. Well, I don't feel it particularly. I feel normal.
• 2:42:57
  And,
• 2:42:58
  yeah, the only and I I then said, but I'm still getting pain every now and again. It's sudden and it's unpredictable.
• 2:43:05
  And they said, oh,
• 2:43:07
  well, the bone's healed, but the nerve
• 2:43:09
  hasn't.
• 2:43:10
  So it has healed, it's done exactly what it's meant to do. It's healed the bone but it hasn't healed
• 2:43:17
  the
• 2:43:19
  nerves yet, the soft tissues yet.
• 2:43:21
  So yeah, you've got to be very specific as to what you want from the Chinese herbalist
• 2:43:27
  Unknown: if you go and see one. How did you how did you move over? What caused you to look at Chinese herbs? Was it just part of your general inquiry at the time? Okay. Or was there something that specifically attracted you to it?
• 2:43:40
  Unknown: It wasn't
• 2:43:41
  on the agenda particularly,
• 2:43:43
  no. Yeah. What
• 2:43:45
  was on the agenda,
• 2:43:47
  it was
• 2:43:48
  when I became a nutritionist,
• 2:43:50
  that was actually because of an injury as well. I had a terrible whiplash,
• 2:43:55
  injury.
• 2:43:56
  And,
• 2:43:58
  I mean, so bad that they thought when I went along to get my radio out do you remember you used to retrieve the radio from your car? Now they're all good radios, aren't they? And Oh, yeah. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Or don't leave the radio in the car. Someone will break in and nick the radio. Yeah. I remember. I I'd had this accident, and I and the breakers had taken my car in because it was a write off.
• 2:44:19
  And
• 2:44:21
  I went back to get my radio, and they said, oh, sad about the bloke who's driving, isn't it? So I said, why? What do mean? And they
• 2:44:29
  said, well, he's dead, isn't he? I said, no, it's me.
• 2:44:33
  So
• 2:44:35
  I said, can I have the radio please? Oh, we've got it somewhere.
• 2:44:38
  And they couldn't find it at first, then they found it, which was very interesting. I think that was on its way out of there into someone else's Yeah.
• 2:44:47
  Unknown: Really?
• 2:44:48
  How surprising.
• 2:44:50
  Unknown: And
• 2:44:51
  yeah so I found there was two things that helped me. I didn't want to take,
• 2:44:58
  so that, well this is for the whiplash injury not for finding my radio.
• 2:45:01
  There
• 2:45:03
  were two things that really helped me. One was acupuncture,
• 2:45:06
  absolutely
• 2:45:07
  phenomenal.
• 2:45:10
  The family knew of an acupuncturist
• 2:45:13
  and she, I've
• 2:45:15
  literally phoned her from the hospital
• 2:45:17
  and she said oh you're in hospital now? Yeah I can come out and give you a treatment. Came to the hospital
• 2:45:23
  and they
• 2:45:26
  put a collar on me and all this kind of stuff,
• 2:45:29
  which now I don't know if they do still do that, it's a bad thing to do though.
• 2:45:34
  And put
• 2:45:36
  some needles in me and I was like, what? That's mad. It's really controlled it. It just the pain just dispersed almost immediately.
• 2:45:45
  And
• 2:45:47
  I could move my head to a degree. I mean, it wasn't great, but I could move my head. And she said, you need to come in tomorrow
• 2:45:55
  to her
• 2:45:56
  clinic,
• 2:45:57
  and you'll need another appointment three days after that. Went and did all of that and it was fantastic but I couldn't keep up the costs of it.
• 2:46:06
  You know to have three treatments in a week,
• 2:46:09
  and this was a long time ago,
• 2:46:11
  was sort of
• 2:46:12
  what about nearly thirty years ago,
• 2:46:17
  they were about,
• 2:46:18
  from memory,
• 2:46:20
  25 to £35 each, somewhere around that sort of mark. And I just didn't have the money to keep doing it, especially as I wasn't working at that time.
• 2:46:28
  I was off sick.
• 2:46:30
  And so
• 2:46:31
  I
• 2:46:33
  took all of those anti inflammatories and things like that. They didn't really work. They took the edge off it, I suppose. So I started looking into nutrition.
• 2:46:43
  And I'd always been interested in natural medicine,
• 2:46:46
  but found my cure in nutrition
• 2:46:50
  basically.
• 2:46:51
  And
• 2:46:53
  then didn't really think about acupuncture
• 2:46:57
  as a way
• 2:46:59
  forward. I was a nutritionist
• 2:47:01
  and quite happy being a nutritionist.
• 2:47:04
  And
• 2:47:05
  then
• 2:47:07
  I forget what happened but something else happened about acupuncture and
• 2:47:11
  I thought I better go and learn this.
• 2:47:14
  And so I got on
• 2:47:15
  a three year
• 2:47:16
  Chinese medicine course
• 2:47:18
  and
• 2:47:20
  hence
• 2:47:21
  trained in the herbs but not really use them because I'm a lazy so and so.
• 2:47:25
  And
• 2:47:26
  I use them occasionally. I use them sort of
• 2:47:30
  very very very
• 2:47:33
  spasmodically.
• 2:47:35
  I think because I've got the nutrition and with the nutrition my specialization
• 2:47:41
  was what they call phytotherapy, which is herbal medicine.
• 2:47:45
  So I had that from the nutritional side and I use a lot of western herbs.
• 2:47:50
  So the difference between
• 2:47:53
  them, by the way,
• 2:47:55
  in Chinese medicine
• 2:47:57
  they will tend to be a complex of herbs.
• 2:48:01
  So we would have
• 2:48:04
  maybe 10 different herbs that do similar sort of things to get that
• 2:48:09
  organ or
• 2:48:11
  inflammation down or the organ functioning or get you back on your feet so you can start having some acupuncture or whatever.
• 2:48:21
  Western herbal medicine normally relies on just one or two herbs.
• 2:48:26
  It's applying
• 2:48:28
  Unknown: all the Is a more refined
• 2:48:30
  Unknown: a more refined sort of process or a more yeah? No, I think it's a more brutal process actually. Is it? Yeah, because you're you're putting in so
• 2:48:40
  let's say her
• 2:48:43
  ABCD
• 2:48:44
  are all good for arthritis.
• 2:48:50
  They'll
• 2:48:51
  put ABCD
• 2:48:53
  into their formula in different quantities
• 2:48:56
  whereas in
• 2:48:58
  western
• 2:49:00
  herbal medicine
• 2:49:01
  they will just probably put A in there.
• 2:49:04
  Do you see what I'm saying? So they're the same herbs but
• 2:49:09
  they're hitting it from several different angles and they're called pathways.
• 2:49:13
  And it means that they're using a different chemical pathway to that they're interrupting or changing
• 2:49:19
  to stop you producing the inflammation
• 2:49:22
  so that you get better blood flow around your knee if you've got arthritis
• 2:49:26
  and so that you recover quicker.
• 2:49:30
  Unknown: People, Miles, if people, I'm just looking at the time, we've got about just under ten minutes left. If
• 2:49:37
  people want to get in touch with you, how do they do that? Is that something you want to say on air? Is there a way that people can contact you? I know that Anne Sally Eric, she she goes there doesn't she sometimes? Yes. Yes. I've seen aunt Sally. And she she does very, very nice would suggest that they come through to the shop number.
• 2:49:55
  Unknown: I'm only saying that because
• 2:49:57
  I get
• 2:49:59
  when I first started in this I just gave out my mobile number. My mobile number is reserved for patients realistically.
• 2:50:06
  And I had hundreds
• 2:50:08
  of of,
• 2:50:10
  I'm not joking, in a week I would get sort of 150
• 2:50:15
  texts or emails all regarding
• 2:50:18
  I've got this, you know, I've got
• 2:50:20
  an
• 2:50:21
  arthritic problem or whatever and I just couldn't answer them all and then they all get very frustrated. If they come through to the
• 2:50:29
  the shop phone number
• 2:50:32
  we'll do what we can from the shop for free.
• 2:50:36
  Unknown: What do you want to put that number out here in the show We or can do Go on, say it then. Say the number. What is the number? Has everyone got a pen and paper?
• 2:50:45
  Unknown: It's 0199265
• 2:50:49
  Unknown: 01992,
• 2:50:51
  Unknown: yes. Yep. 65
• 2:50:53
  Unknown: 65.
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  Unknown: 0014.
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  Unknown: 0014,
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  I thought you were gonna say 007 then.
• 2:51:01
  Okay, 1992650014
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  Unknown: yeah? Correct, yeah correct.
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  I will try and help people over the phone just with that number,
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  but I
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  also have to earn a living at some point along the line. So,
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  yeah, the the the mobile is reserved for patients.
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  Unknown: May I add you don't have a website? Hello? Hello can you hear me? I think I've gone offline.
• 2:51:31
  Unknown: Hello? No no no we've
• 2:51:34
  got a funny thing going on Miles where you can hear me and I can hear Eric, but you can't hear Eric. Eric,
• 2:51:40
  Unknown: don't you leave the studio quickly and come back in again? You know sometimes I a handshake? Yeah. Yeah. Just try that. Right. I'll try that. I'll see you in a few moments. Okay?
• 2:51:49
  Righto.
• 2:51:50
  Unknown: So
• 2:51:51
  Unknown: he's he's just gonna leave and come back Miles, and then you should be able to connect up with him. Moving
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  Unknown: moving swiftly on, as I was saying, because we only got a few minutes,
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  from my point of view the most important thing is
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  the insides of you and how that chemistry works
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  inside you.
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  So if we've got all of the nutrients now, we've improved the soil theoretically,
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  if you've got a good healthy lifestyle,
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  good amounts of sleep, good amounts of exercise and not over exercising,
• 2:52:24
  you get people saying oh yeah I can run a four minute mile or whatever. That's not used to be a junior athlete, that is not
• 2:52:33
  actually that healthy. You're pushing your body too hard. If you were to run a six minute mile for for most
• 2:52:41
  men I would think that would be quite fast enough to be as a training program if you wanted to do it but you're better going out and feeling it just go out and run and if you feel puffed out stop for a while catch your breath and walk home or
• 2:52:55
  jog or home. But obviously,
• 2:52:58
  make sure you're healthy first. Don't you? You can't be doing that if you've got a bad heart or something.
• 2:53:03
  Unknown: Mhmm. But
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  Can you can you hear Eric? Right. Exercise.
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  Unknown: Can you hear me now, Miles? Good diet, good sleep, and that's and good
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  hydration.
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  Unknown: And that's the
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  Unknown: the basic starting point for
• 2:53:20
  people to stay in good health. I want to knock you completely off topic, Miles. Now I can't hear Paul.
• 2:53:26
  Unknown: You can't can't hear any of us. What is going on?
• 2:53:31
  Unknown: Think it might be the iPad.
• 2:53:34
  Hello? Are you still there? Can hear you.
• 2:53:36
  We can hear you. Can you hear me,
• 2:53:40
  Miles?
• 2:53:41
  Unknown: I can hear you, Eric, and I can hear Miles, and I can hear everybody, and I think you can too, but Miles is obviously having some intermittent issue.
• 2:53:48
  Actually, he's just,
• 2:53:50
  I don't know, he's still on the stage. No. He's Yeah. Might be better to reboot.
• 2:53:54
  Let me just
• 2:53:56
  Unknown: you're having a lovely time. I can see that. But, unfortunately,
• 2:54:00
  I can't hear either of you now.
• 2:54:03
  Unknown: I think it might be the iPad.
• 2:54:05
  Unknown: It might be the iPad. Of course, he can't hear us, Eric. So what he's talking like?
• 2:54:10
  Yeah.
• 2:54:11
  Funny little intermittent things recently, which are a bit tiresome, aren't they? I mean, if we could get a message to him and ask him to leave and rejoin, but of course he can't hear us. Hang on. I'll send it through the studio chat.
• 2:54:22
  Okay. We've got we've got five minutes.
• 2:54:25
  We've got five minutes. Can it be done? If a man can run a mile in six minutes, maybe we can get a message through him back within five to get miles back on the show. What do think? I've just sent I've just sent him a message. Yeah. Hang on. Let's have a look here. Let's I'll I could send it through.
• 2:54:40
  Unknown: Something's going on.
• 2:54:42
  Interesting sound. Is he bashing the crap out of his iPad
• 2:54:46
  Unknown: or kicking it out a window? Maybe you could write a short message and put it in the leg of that carrier pigeon. You've got flight over so he could we get him back on. So it could what?
• 2:54:56
  Unknown: Is he doing it sounds like he's doing Spanish shot of flamingo dance.
• 2:55:01
  Unknown: If I just kick him off if I just kick him off and it might occur to him to come back on again, what do you think? Or is that just rude and vulgar?
• 2:55:09
  What's
• 2:55:11
  that? Is he tap dancing?
• 2:55:13
  Hang on. I've got some dancing on the show at the end of the show, everybody. If you wanted, radio tap dancing, you've come to the right place because that's what's going on. Yes. I wonder if I could communicate with him via
• 2:55:24
  Unknown: well, what would happen if I phoned him via,
• 2:55:27
  a WhatsApp?
• 2:55:28
  Unknown: Well, he's left. So it might have occurred to him that he's left and gonna rejoin.
• 2:55:33
  Yes. So anyway Right. Now he's gone. We don't have much time left. We're we're about to we're about to wind up here in big time styley or something like that. Let's see, we've got we've got just under three minutes or whatever before we're gonna go. I'll just keep watching if he comes back, but that was really really interesting. Okay. I was gonna say
• 2:55:51
  Unknown: Hello, Myles are you back? Can you hear us? Can hear you both and I'm back. Excellent. Excellent.
• 2:55:57
  Unknown: Okay. So look. We've only got a couple of minutes, and I want to change the topic completely, and we can carry this on when you come back again because you're going to. Eric sent me this. He said,
• 2:56:07
  Miles Fleetwood, he is related to a bigwig who was in the English civil war. Roundhead
• 2:56:13
  or cavalier, Miles? Quick. Roundhead.
• 2:56:18
  Oh my god. Oh, no.
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  One of the Oh, bloody hell. One of the signatories
• 2:56:24
  Unknown: for the death warrant of
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  Charles the first.
• 2:56:29
  Unknown: Oh, no. So you're making up for it by healing people. Well no, think
• 2:56:35
  Unknown: I'm a real royalist. Yeah okay.
• 2:56:39
  I think it's in my blood to be a royalist, the same level as
• 2:56:44
  this one in this big wig who was,
• 2:56:48
  yeah, he was in Oliver Cromwell's army and he
• 2:56:52
  also
• 2:56:55
  married Oliver Cromwell's
• 2:56:57
  daughter I believe.
• 2:56:59
  Unknown: Oh wow that's that's really interesting that is really interesting.
• 2:57:03
  Miles, we're just we're just about out of time. In fact, the music's going about to start any second sort of like now. There you go. That's the outro music. Look, it's been wonderful to get you on. And Eric, well done for for sort of sorting out Miles at the last minute. It's brilliant.
• 2:57:17
  We'll have to get you back. I really enjoyed it, Miles. That was fantastic. Yeah. We put your number out.
• 2:57:22
  Yeah. Everybody's a bit sort of panicky. Everybody will know about Miles, but that's the whole idea. So look. If you have ailments or whatever and you're curious or even if you can get in touch with aunt Sally, I think she's got some great testimonials as well. But lovely to have you here for Thursday evening. Also great to Anna and to Didi who were on early. And as I said, we'll get them back. It's been a really rather jolly show, I think, this week. A few technical hiccups aside.
• 2:57:47
  The pubs are closed now, I think, unless you live in the Wilshire's area. Yeah.
• 2:57:52
  Yeah. The pubs are closed. So I'm sorry about that, everybody. It's Thursday night. Anyway, I've got a big hefty supply of gin and tonic at home, and I might have one before I hit the hay.
• 2:58:01
  Anyway, look, have a cracking weekend. It'll be autumn next Thursday, so we'll see you for the first show of the autumn season,
• 2:58:07
  and we'll be wearing tweed, of course, and our little hats and things like that. But thank you, Miles. Thank you, Eric, and thank you everybody listening. We'll see you all next week. Thank you very much, Paul. Take care. Thank you. Thank Bye now. Bye for now, everyone.
• 2:58:28
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 2:58:34
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.