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The Holistic Secret to Weight Loss, Reversing Disease, and Staying Young - Episode 263 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Jeffrey Gladden.
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  And I'm here today with a guest, Lori Balue.
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  And Lori, spells her last name B-A-L-U-E.
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  I love the title of her organization.
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  It's called Aging Adventurously.
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  So, we may have some things to talk about the adventure side of things, Lori.
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  Welcome to the show.
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  Yeah, I think that's one of the biggest things that I've discovered.
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  You know, I did change my diet, but without that stress management and living life as an adventure, I don't think I would have been able to stay the course and actually be as
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  successful as I am because that's the whole body-brain process of longevity, I feel.
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  Yeah.
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  So, talk to us about adventure.
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  What does adventure look like for you?
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  Well, for me, it's pretty much been endless walking.
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  If I can't get walk- You know, if I have time, I'll go hiking.
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  So, as much as I can get out in nature and go hiking, it's just, it's, it almost like it really pulls in those ketones to get your body really revving and working.
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  And it's just joy-making.
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  And I hang out with a group of hikers that like to do between 5 to 10 miles of hiking on the weekends.
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  And if we get less than five, we're like, 'That was just too quick.' And it's almost like
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  why bother to do five miles when you we really want to do ten to get that whole body functioning and working.
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  But that, to me, also pulls in brain function.
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  When we're actually getting out there and utilizing ketones for our brain, you start to feel better and you get that serotonin boost.
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  And that's been huge in my research on just having a healthier hippocampus for the brain to function.
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  Yeah, no, I think you're right.
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  I like the idea of working out and doing things on an empty stomach.
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  I pretty much always do that.
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  Almost do it in a fasted state.
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  There's some interesting research about that.
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  Looking at people that did weight training, they actually trained the right leg and the left leg differently in individuals, they would train the right leg fed and the left leg
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  fasted.
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  And they did this- Yeah, it's a really interesting study.
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  And they did it for, I want to say they did it for about six weeks.
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  And what they found at the end of the study was that the left leg got a lot stronger than the fed leg.
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  The fasted leg got stronger than the fed leg.
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  So, isn't that interesting?
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  So, we're fans of- of exercising in a fasted state.
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  I usually do it in the morning.
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  You know, the day kind of gets away from you if you don't do it in the morning is kind of how I feel for the most part, except maybe on the weekend, but...
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  But anyway, you know, exercising in that fasted state
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  I think is good on many fronts.
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  And it's also, I think, good for building muscle, particularly if you come back and you give yourself kind of what you need to build muscle, whether it's hormone optimization,
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  growth hormone-releasing peptides, or things like Perfect Aminos with the right combination of amino acids and things like that.
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  the Perfect Aminos is hugely immense benefit, especially for women over 50, because they're having so much trouble with digesting their food with optimized stomach acid and
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  optimized digestion.
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  And I've got a- I've got an actual, a testimony with that Perfect Aminos that is just stupid- I know, it's just amazing.
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  I just find it amazing.
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  Yeah.
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  great.
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  It comes in a powder, it comes in capsules, Perfect Aminos.
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  And it's formulated by an Iron Man who's actually a physician, right?
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  And so, one of the things I like about it is people talk about high-protein diets.
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  You know, you've got celebrities out there talking about their high-protein diets, publishing books on high-protein diets as we age.
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  It's really a mixed bag when you actually, actually really dig into that, it's really a mixed bag.
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  Yes, we need,
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  we need amino acids to build muscle as we age and bone.
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  Yes, we do.
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  But eating a lot of protein is probably not the best way to do that because you're activating- Right?
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  that with myself, being 61 and I can't do a lot of protein without getting sleepy, but when I increase the fat, I do better.
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  But what I've been noticing and what my sister has been going through, she's been struggling with trying to change her diet and eat more low-carb nutrition to reverse
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  diabetes and neuropathy.
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  But it wasn't until she brought in those Perfect Aminos and started taking a serving with each meal that she was able to actually get that amino acid into her brain,
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  start manipulating those neurotransmitters and actually turning off her cravings and being able to focus and be satisfied and have the neurotransmitter she needed to be successful.
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  I thought that was-...
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  If the medical system knew that all you needed were those amino acids, oh my gosh, that you wouldn't even need any dep-
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  it's really great.
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  And we like the idea of using the amino acids kind of on their own initially, right?
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  And it's, it's fine to eat afterwards, but those amino acids are kind of configured in such a way that they're coming in as a unit.
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  And if you, if you eat other protein with it, you start to kind of mix up the, the unit of, of effect coming in.
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  So, I think it's good to eat them Perfect Aminos first and then, you know, start your meal maybe 30 minutes later.
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  Combine it that way as opposed to like doing it in the middle of the meal.
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  So, that's just a tip that we've, that we've gotten actually from, from the guy that developed it, so...
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  I believe he mentioned it's 100% absorbable on an empty stomach, but maybe...
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  What was the other percentage?
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  95, if you take it with food.
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  Yeah, I think it's that, but I think it also has to do with the impact that it actually has, right?
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  Like, there is the fact that it comes in and has all the essential amino acids.
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  It does stimulate- It has leucine and things like that that stimulate muscle growth.
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  It does improve neurotransmitter metabolism.
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  So, yeah, I think the ideal way to take it is actually after exercise when you want to build something you've just torn down, something-, right?
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  Which is what exercise does.
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  Yeah.
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  So, I think it's the perfect timing for it.
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  But yeah, that's very cool.
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  Well, back to the adventure.
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  I think, like you do, that living adventurously is super important because it's so joyous.
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  It's such a joyous way to live.
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  And I think if you don't have joy in what you're doing, it's not- Not only is it not sustainable, it's not even worth it, quite honestly, if you're-
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  that's basically what I'm noticing.
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  I usually plan a two-week road trip like once a year and I'll go and visit my mom in Wyoming.
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  I'll get outside, I'll work outside, I'll just be more vigorous.
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  My brain is more happy to want to be exercising and to be jogging and everything.
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  And so, what I also like to do is combine a half marathon into that.
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  Not that I want to over exercise.
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  I do walk-jogging when I do that, but it's just to participate, be outside, get that joy-making process, living my life as an adventure that way has been so incredible to just
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  keep me excited.
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  And I remember one time listening to Dr.
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  Joe Dispenza on a road trip into New Mexico.
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  And he was talking about that very thing about we just got to keep the brain growing with activity.
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  Because if you don't have the activity, you shrink your brain.
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  Yeah.
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  to, I think, I think that's exactly right.
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  I think what you're talking about with the adventure is also bringing a novel activity, right?
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  think not.
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  That's right.
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  like road trips where you get out you're outside of your comfort zone, perhaps you're learning new things, you're getting out there and having a different environment.
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  So, your brain has to actually get more involved and figure things out and grow a little bit more.
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  Exactly.
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  Exactly.
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  Yeah, that's the beauty of like, you know, as opposed to running on a path, running on a trail or hiking on a trail as opposed to a path, right?
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  All of a sudden, there's more unpredictability to it.
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  There are rocks and there are things you have to avoid and you've got to maintain your balance.
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  You're going downhill and uphill.
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  And all of a sudden it feels like an adventure and you get to the top is like, 'oh my gosh, look at where we are.' You know, and it's, it's all that, it's all that
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  joy-developing activity.
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  So, I think, I think,
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  really, I think the audience can almost equate, you know, look at your life, look at your activities and ask yourself, 'How much joy am I getting out of this?' Right?
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  And, 'Is there something I could do where I'm exercising, but I'm getting more joy?' Right?
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  Exactly.
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  And I think that's pretty much where my brain goes.
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  It's once I figured it out that if I'm outside, I always felt happier.
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  I felt better.
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  If I could be barefoot when I'm doing it, I'm trying to be barefoot as much as I can.
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  You know, when I'm out and, you know, go to the beach, if I'm going to do a hike, it's going to be some time on the beach.
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  So, I'm always out there trying to figure out how to get my feet on the ground at the same time as I'm also getting light in my eyes.
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  So, I'm getting that whole complex of circadian biology rhythm going
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  right.
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  Yep.
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  everything at the same time.
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  And that's just- Some days if it's just dark in the house, I can't even be in the house.
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  I have to just be outside.
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  So, I'll go work at a garden or something.
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  But yeah, it's tough once you've gotten kind of more in tune to it.
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  Yeah, it's really stifling, I think, to be inside all the time.
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  Have you done much sleeping outside?
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  Do you do any camping on your adventures or..?
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  I have done some camping just recently over summer.
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  I went to, Rice National Park, 'cause I was saying I was- I drive up to my mom's about once a summer and, I have a tent that I put up in the back of the, at the back of the
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  truck.
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  And so I'll camp out there, but I haven't camped on the ground, but definitely in a tent.
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  But that's what I like is being outside all day, just wandering.
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  Right.
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  I met a guy in Florida who was struggling with lots of different maladies and then he got really interested in grounding.
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  I don't know if that's something that you're interested in as well.
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  Anyway, he started sleeping on the ground and he said basically everything was better in 30 days.
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  Yeah, now he's- Yeah.
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  So, now he sleeps on the ground most of the time, right?
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  I mean, if he goes to a conference or something, he's probably at a hotel, but
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  for the most part, as much as he can, he's sleeping on the earth.
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  And of course, that's really interesting.
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  a mat, just on the earth straight up.
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  Well, I mean, he's got- he's got something, but- but he tries to be on- on the ground, right?
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  So, I guess he picks a place that's reasonably soft or whatever, right?
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  Sand or...
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  I don't know what it is exactly, but he's- he's really convinced that it's massively helpful.
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  So, tell us about your journey.
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  You- you started off- You look slim and trim, but you started off maybe a little bit different side of the fence than that, right?
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  So, tell us about that.
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  yeah, well, I was, I actually topped 200 pounds in my adolescence in junior high and just my metabolism just, you know, was messed up.
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  I ended up having food sensitivities, I believe to wheat and dairy at the time, and ended up with massive depression.
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  So, my- I almost, you know, my mom took me into a psychologist.
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  They couldn't do anything because I wasn't willing to talk, so they couldn't figure out what to do with me.
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  So, my mom just put me on the Atkins diet and, well and behold, that amino acids that I was absorbing into my body cleared the depression and helped me drop 50 pounds.
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  So, that helped me stabilize for the most part through high school.
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  And then it was like, you know, I didn't know that was something I could do regularly.
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  I just assumed it was a diet.
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  And so, you go back to carbohydrates when you don't know any better.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I ended up gaining 225 pounds by my mid-thirties, which was my highest rate.
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  And I'm only 5'4".
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  Okay.
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  So, 5'4", that's...
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  yeah.
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  So the audience can understand, 5'4" at 225, that's...
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  That's obesity right there.
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  doesn't seem as high as- I mean, lately, people are getting up into a well over 250 these days.
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  So, back then, I- 225 was probably one of the heaviest weights that most people got to.
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  But it always came with depression.
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  And I ended up getting seasonal allergies that were lasting like 11 months out of the year.
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  So, I had to end up on immune therapy.
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  That's what they did back in the day.
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  And I ended up getting my allergies to just one time a month, one time a year, which was in March.
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  And, I would always have sinusitis, bronchitis, always be coughing, always had mucus.
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  And I would always end up on an inhaler, a breathing machine, prednisone antibiotics every season.
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  And I just remember my doctor telling me I would always be on an inhaler because I was trying to figure out how to get off of the thing, you know, what supplements could I take
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  that would fix this, but they would only manage the symptoms.
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  They didn't actually get in and actually help my body function the way it needed to.
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  So, what was going on for you in your 30s?
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  Where were you in your life at that point that you kind of ballooned up?
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  What were you in the middle of in your 30s?
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  I was...
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  You know, I think it was just
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  the starvation diets that I was on, it was probably the fact that I couldn't maintain that anymore and eat it anymore.
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  Socially?
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  Yes...
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  So I was married, I had an eight-year-old son and we did have a new house and I believe I was working at the time, I mean, I'm sure I was working at the time.
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  That was what was happening.
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  But again, because of that weight, I did have that depression.
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  So socially, I was antisocial, I was more of an introvert.
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  I was repressed, I had anxiety.
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  So, I didn't really socialize much outside of parties for my son or family.
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  That was basically all I could tolerate with what was going on in my life.
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  And were you exercising at all at that point in time?
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  Or you...?
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  so.
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  Because I kind of remember after that- Because what happened was I had come in from outside and my husband was sitting on the sofa and he wasn't even looking at me.
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  He just kind of asked, 'When are you going to lose the weight?' And so, officially, that was when my weight loss journey started.
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  I had PCOS, I wanted to get pregnant and have more children, and move on...
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  So, I went out and started reading books, bought an exercise bike, started walking.
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  That was when I started picking up more activity.
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  So, PCOS, just so the audience understands, polycystic ovarian syndrome is really associated with insulin resistance is a big part of it.
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  And then, it decreases the fertility, of course, it's associated with- can be associated with excess testosterone.
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  But insulin resistance is really kind of a hallmark of PCOS and it can be treated with metformin.
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  Things like inositol work pretty well for it if you're in the middle of trying to get pregnant.
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  But it's,
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  it's kind of a difficult scenario, PCOS, and it can really decrease fertility.
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  So, here you are, your husband's saying, 'Okay, you know, I think I've seen enough', essentially, it's what he's saying, right?
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  'I've seen enough.' And then, you know, you're thinking about having more kids.
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  So, now you started on this journey, but did you really have a clue as to how to go about it?
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  Because, you know, that's kind of a big ask of yourself.
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  started reading, I started with this fat-free move.
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  It was the fat-free era in the early nineties and it was Susan Powter.
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  So, that was what they were talking about.
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  The, you know, the vegan doctors were out saying we got to eat fat-free.
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  And so, I did that and I exercised.
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  So, I don't know if it was the exercise, the food, whatever, but I did lose 60 pounds, I got pregnant, I ended up having two more children...
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  But after each pregnancy, I would gain all the weight back.
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  Oh, wow.
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  Yeah, and the interesting thing is I never got rid of that asthma and then I gained arthritis.
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  So, I really never got healthy, even dieting low-calorie.
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  And so, I would just do that for the next 20 years.
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  I lost my thirties and forties to obesity and could not figure out how to keep weight off.
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  That was the biggest challenge.
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  I was, you know...
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  what kind of made the switch for you where you started?
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  Obviously, you recommitted yourself to it in a different way that's actually led to a different outcome, right?
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  So, tell us a little bit about that.
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  How did you discover that or figure that out?
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  Or did you go through-?
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  voracious reader.
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  That was what my, you know, my mom started me back in the day was, you know, like Adele Davis, she started reading her.
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  So, I just ended up hitting the books and researching and reading more.
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  I'd been on Atkins again in my, in my twenties.
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  And so, I knew that that, that method of weight loss was out there.
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  But when you're addicted to the carbohydrates, it's a lot harder to make the choice to completely give them up when you don't realize why you're doing it.
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  And so, it was the research that I needed to keep doing.
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  I ended up going on a Paleo diet.
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  I ended up bringing in more coconut milk.
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  I ended up trying to just eliminate things more.
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  And it wasn't until I think I really read like, Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes and then also the Wheat Belly book and started really getting into functional health and nutrition,
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  the ancestral approach, that I started to really understand what was going to work, what could work for my body, which
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  gave me some more excitement and kind of gave me a path to follow, so that I could stay focused on going forward rather than completely give up and just accept what was going on
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  in my body.
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  And so, and then after that there was, you know, I ended up segueing more into Keto after that and then just never looked back.
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  Okay, okay, interesting.
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  So, you've been on this journey then since your mid 40s...
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  Really, kind of mid 30s...
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  Well, mid 30s, but I mean, kind of- That was kind of yo-yo-ing a little bit, right?
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  And then, in your mid 40s, you kind of started to charter a course that's been more consistent, right?
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  And so, that's been for the last, let's call it 15, 16 years, something like that.
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  So, okay.
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  And then, tell us
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  about genetics related to this.
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  I have some insights around that.
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  I'm curious about yours, and epigenetics as well.
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  Talk to us a little bit about that, because people are wondering, you know, like they may be saying, 'Well, everybody in my family is obese and, you know, everybody around me is
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  obese and all my relatives are obese.
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  You know, I think I'm just genetically destined for this, right, kind of thing, so...'
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  what everybody thinks about.
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  And I think it feels easy to think about that too, that we can't make any changes.
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  But I also have the thrifty gene, I have the diabetes gene.
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  Everybody in my family has been obese, has diabetes, has cancer.
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  Everybody has a dysfunction.
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  I've lost my eldest sister to diabetes and obesity.
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  My dad had kidney disease, diabetes, the whole heart, the whole metabolic syndrome dysfunction.
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  And my brother was headed that way too, and he did my program and I helped him with his diet.
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  He reversed his diabetes and all his numbers are under six and he doesn't have any medication.
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  So, he's no longer diabetic.
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  And now he's able to live his life more adventurously because this is what he is doing as well.
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  And so, even though we're epigenetically programmed to have a specific- No, we have the specific DNA that can get fat, that can be diseased because as long as we have the,
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  I like to call it, as long as our 'sugar switch' is flipped on, that epigenetic switch, you're going to go out and seek food and you're going to eat the foods that are palatable,
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  that are sugar-rich, because that's the way our bodies are designed.
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  We're designed to go out and seek that food to get fat for winter.
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  So, we have survival, but we could also flip it off.
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  And so, when you practice epigenetics and express your DNA and choose which foods you're going to eat that don't cause you to gain fat,
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  hormonally, then you can actually get control of it and reduce your risk for disease in your body.
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  And I think that is so powerful to know that you could take a DNA that is genetically programmed to get fat and actually not express that.
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  So, we do not have to accept obesity.
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  It is not something that is- that we have to choose to have.
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  It's a really powerful message because it's true for heart disease, true for obesity.
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  It's true for even dementia.
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  You know, people, people can, can harbor the genes, the genetic predisposition for this and if they put those genes in the environment where those genes are activated, so to
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  speak, then those things happen.
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  They get heart disease, they get dementia, they become obese.
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  But if you actually put those genes in a different epigenetic,
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  context, right?
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  Then all of a sudden they get deactivated and you can navigate life and not get dementia, not get heart disease and not be obese, right?
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  So, it's-
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  love it.
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  I think it's so exciting that- to know that we can do that and nobody has to expect to be obese and expect that they're going to get old and die young and have diabetes because if
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  I can flip it off and not have anything at 61, everybody else can do this too.
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  I'm not special.
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  I just chose to go forward with this information.
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  I will say that there's, when you're starting to do something like this, there is a, there is a bit of a hurdle.
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  And part of it is...
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  We should think this through a little bit.
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  Part of it is that you're used to these foods, so your brain is accustomed to, when you think about eating something, you think about pizza, you think about ice cream, you think
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  about stuff like that, right?
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  So, so, part of it is actually retraining your brain to want something different.
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  But there's another element to it also, which is your gut biome.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  If you're eating sugary things and carbs, you basically are kind of grooming your gut biome in a way where those bacteria also like those carbs and those sugar.
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  And if they're not seeing it, they're now sending signals to your brain.
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  'Give us more sugar, give us more carbs.' So, you're not only, you're not only, in a sense, sort of fighting against your own neural pathways that you've conditioned to want,
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  let's call it pizza, but you've also got your gut biome that's wanting you to want pizza, right?
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  So-
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  I called it the fat bacteria and the skinny bacteria.
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  You have to feed your skinny bacteria and starve the fat bacteria.
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  It's a kind of a simple process there if you think about it.
• 22:58
  it is.
• 22:59
  People need to know that the, they need to know the battle they're in, right?
• 23:03
  Because if you don't understand the fight that you're fighting, it's hard to win it.
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  But if you do understand that, ok, this is, I've got a genetic predisposition, number one.
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  Number two, I've got a set of habits and foods that appeal to me.
• 23:16
  Right?
• 23:16
  And even a style of eating and a way of eating and a time of eating and all those different elements that can contribute to this.
• 23:22
  Like, 'We all eat big dinners at night.' Well, that's going to really add to your
• 23:27
  issues with weight loss, right?
• 23:29
  You have to understand you've got that piece going on.
• 23:32
  So, you've got the genetics, you've also got that context, and you've got to understand that your gut has also been conditioned for this and that those bacteria are going to be-
• 23:40
  you're going to have to fight against that too.
• 23:42
  To win this battle, you have to construct a strategy that actually addresses all those things, right?
• 23:47
  So, it's how do I create an environment where there isn't ice cream in the freezer, there aren't cookies in the pantry, and we're not having pizza for dinner,
• 23:55
  right?
• 23:55
  Where we actually, how do I construct that?
• 23:57
  And so, you got to think about the environment and you got to think about what's in the house.
• 24:01
  Everybody's got willpower in the morning.
• 24:02
  Nobody has willpower at eight o'clock at night, right?
• 24:05
  Right?
• 24:06
  Nobody does, right?
• 24:07
  Totally true.
• 24:08
  So, if I have ice cream in the house, I'll eat it at eight o'clock at night.
• 24:10
  My strategy is I don't put it in the house, right?
• 24:12
  That's how I win.
• 24:14
  So, you've got to, you've got to actually be very strategic about this, if you're going to win.
• 24:19
  And that's likely what you did.
• 24:20
  You got- You not only made a commitment, because commitment is willpower,
• 24:25
  but you actually had strategies that you layered in to actually like, 'I'm going to starve these sugar eating bacteria.' And now there are some things that can actually help you
• 24:33
  with that, right?
• 24:34
  Things like a product called Mimio, which you may be familiar with, which basically- Yeah, Mimio, M-I-M-I-O, was basically formulated when they took people that were fasting and
• 24:47
  they basically analyzed all the different metabolites that are upregulated during fasting, which of course, if you fast for 72 hours, it's very healthy for you.
• 24:54
  Mm-hmm.
• 24:55
  And so, they basically pulled out several different things, Spermidine, PEA, OEA, and some Niacin and put it into a pill because those were some of the major drivers of the benefit.
• 25:07
  And it turns out that the PEA is good for brain inflammation, decreases that, OEA actually blunts appetite.
• 25:14
  And if- It depends on how many of those capsules you take, but you can actually blunt your appetite in a very healthy way.
• 25:19
  And the Spermidine is augmenting autophagy, which is the recycling of
• 25:23
  you know, old organelles and proteins out of your cells, kind of refreshing.
• 25:27
  It's like spring cleaning for yourselves, right?
• 25:29
  So, if you're going down this pathway, you need to have a strategy.
• 25:32
  I'm going to orchestrate the environment.
• 25:33
  Then, I'm going to do something like take Mimio, which you can get at the Gladden Longevity Shop.
• 25:38
  And you can actually start to have a winning strategy here, right?
• 25:44
  And, and that's what's so critical.
• 25:46
  And then, you know, I think what's cool about it is when you do lose that first 20 pounds,
• 25:51
  you know, people- It's funny, people want to go celebrate with, 'I'm going to go celebrate with, you know, Mexican food.
• 25:56
  We're going to have tacos and rice and beans', right?
• 25:59
  not on a diet, we're on a lifestyle.
• 26:01
  They say, you know, even if you go on a cruise, you can still maintain the lifestyle that you want to have and actually still lose weight as long as you focus on it.
• 26:08
  It has to be, you know, you have to kind of, I think more, you have to think beyond 'it's just weight loss'.
• 26:13
  You need to look at your overall goal, your overall vision.
• 26:16
  If you don't want to get sick, what are you going to do now so that in 10 to 20 years, you're being proactive to turn that disease switch off, which we can do with the
• 26:25
  epigenetics.
• 26:26
  Yeah.
• 28:28
  And in order to make good on that, even when your willpower is gone, it's really about orchestrating the environment in a way that's helpful.
• 28:37
  So, I would just encourage people to do that.
• 28:39
  And maybe it works really well.
• 28:40
  What about Ozempic?
• 28:41
  Do you have any experience with Ozempic or any of the GLP-1s?
• 28:45
  I haven't had an experience other than my sister mentioned she tried it and it made her sick and she didn't, couldn't do it and wouldn't do it.
• 28:52
  And a lot of people do get that.
• 28:53
  And I feel, overall, that if we could use amino acids and protein to get the same GLP-1 activation in our body, why go through and use an expensive drug that's going to give us
• 29:04
  side effects?
• 29:05
  We lose our muscle, we lose our basal metabolic activity when we do that.
• 29:10
  When it isn't necessary because if you go on a Keto diet, you can still use something that I call the food bridge process.
• 29:16
  If you're still trying to build in your habits and you're- got to get off of those flavors, the processed food, the chemical taste, and you want to kind of have that comfort
• 29:26
  of those foods, use the food bridge process where you keep everything low carb and you start bringing in higher food
• 29:32
  qualities until you get to the point where you can get out of the habits you used to have and create new ones, but create that lifestyle that's going to work for you.
• 29:39
  When you do that, you create- You don't have the hunger.
• 29:44
  And so, you lose that 20 pounds right off the bat with that metabolism and you don't lose muscle, you gain muscle.
• 29:51
  So, I don't think we need Ozempic.
• 29:54
  Yeah, I agree with that.
• 29:55
  We see a lot of people that lose muscle mass.
• 29:57
  We do a lot of- We measure body composition on everybody.
• 30:00
  For us, it's not about weight.
• 30:01
  It's about body composition, right?
• 30:03
  So, somebody may lose 20 pounds of fat and put on 10 pounds of muscle.
• 30:07
  They only lost 10 pounds, but their body composition changed so dramatically, right?
• 30:11
  amazing.
• 30:11
  I would love that.
• 30:13
  Right?
• 30:13
  So, that's that's really what we're after is body composition.
• 30:16
  The problem we see with Ozempic is people do lose muscle mass and now there's studies showing they lose bone density, right?
• 30:22
  Which is pretty scary, right?
• 30:26
  Yeah.
• 30:27
  So, the GLP-1s, you know, they have a role, they have a place, they do decrease cardiovascular risk and some other things in diabetic patients.
• 30:36
  So, it's not to say that they're terrible, but people need to understand that they do have risk beyond, you know, thyroid cancer and pancreatitis.
• 30:42
  That you really can lose muscle mass and bone density.
• 30:45
  You know, one of the other interesting approaches here, and I don't know if you've done this or not, but people are thinking about, 'How do I initiate this?' One of the things
• 30:53
  that we found is using a five-day fast-mimicking diet, like a ProLon diet is a really great way to kind of change your taste buds.
• 31:02
  Like, when you come out of five days,
• 31:04
  your taste buds have been reprogrammed, so to speak.
• 31:06
  You're not as hungry for the things you were hungry for before.
• 31:09
  And you also start to reformulate your gut biome through that fasting episode.
• 31:14
  And then you don't have the gut biome screaming at you to eat the carbs, right?
• 31:18
  And so,- Right?
• 31:19
  So, it's another way.
• 31:20
  If you're going to, if you're going to win this battle and it's not an easy battle, but you can win it if you're very strategic, right?
• 31:26
  So...
• 31:26
  of the things that, you know, it's been a little bit more out there on the internet, but I use it because it's easy for me to do a fast and still get a little bit of protein, still
• 31:36
  get a little fat and not feel stressed out, but starting fast or just, you know,
• 31:41
  tuna or even using salmon.
• 31:44
  And I had a client that did that and she was just so excited.
• 31:47
  She dropped 10 pounds right away.
• 31:48
  She said her dog was feeling better.
• 31:50
  And I'm like, 'Why is your dog feeling better?' She goes, 'Because I came with sardines.' You know, so she just like, she was just so excited.
• 31:56
  And then, that could work for a lot of people.
• 31:58
  And it does retrain your taste buds.
• 32:00
  You take the sugar out for three days and you just do sardines.
• 32:03
  And, you know, I did that yesterday and completely turned off my appetite.
• 32:06
  I had two cans of sardines with a chopped pickle and I didn't feel like eating anything.
• 32:10
  Right?
• 32:11
  That's right.
• 32:12
  Well, people listening to this are probably laughing.
• 32:14
  They're probably thinking, 'Well, if I ate two cans of sardines and chopped pickle, I wouldn't feel like eating anything either.' Right?
• 32:21
  appetite, you turn off your cravings, you just squash those for mycades bacteria.
• 32:25
  They are like, 'What the heck was that?' You know?
• 32:28
  And so, it actually can make you feel good because you get yourself closer into ketosis and that's where you get that brain activation and that more joy.
• 32:35
  So, you feel more proactive towards doing different things that can help you change your habits.
• 32:42
  That's right.
• 32:43
  I think, I think the other thing too, is you have to, if you're going to win this battle, you have to reframe eating in general.
• 32:48
  In other words, so many people kind of live to eat.
• 32:51
  In fact, people will plan vacations around where they're going to eat.
• 32:55
  When I first heard about that, I was stunned.
• 32:57
  It's like, really?
• 32:58
  You're gonna, you're planning your vacation based on where you're going to eat.
• 33:01
  To me, that would be like the last thing I would ever consider.
• 33:03
  It's like, I'll figure out something, right?
• 33:05
  But, but, but it's, just goes to show you how
• 33:09
  entrenched this concept of eating is, as opposed to I think the alternative is if you're strategizing about this is plan your, plan your vacation around your adventures, right?
• 33:21
  Right?
• 33:21
  Yeah.
• 33:23
  Yeah.
• 33:23
  Plan it around your adventures.
• 33:24
  And then, also strategically figure out, 'Where am I going?' 'Where's the grocery store where I can get the healthy foods and things like that?'
• 33:30
  when I go on my road trips.
• 33:31
  I'll just pull up the natural food store.
• 33:33
  I'll bring as much food as I can.
• 33:35
  I usually just pre-cook it and just bring- So, whatever's in my fridge just goes into a cooler that goes into the car and I just get ice every day.
• 33:41
  And then, I'll go to the local store and see what it is that I need any further.
• 33:44
  And yeah, these days, the last thing on my mind is eating out and finding a restaurant.
• 33:48
  I'd rather enjoy the sunset and have a picnic and just, you know, relax.
• 33:53
  Yeah.
• 33:54
  I think that's awesome.
• 33:56
  Well, this has been super helpful.
• 33:58
  Are there other insights that you've garnered in your journey here?
• 34:03
  Because you've obviously been successful at it and you actually have created some mini courses and some other ways for people to kind of jump in with you and learn about what
• 34:13
  you're doing.
• 34:14
  Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
• 34:15
  Yeah, so I do have up to- three to six lab programs where you can actually figure out what the hidden healing opportunities are, where your weight loss blocks are.
• 34:27
  And seeing this information on paper is so empowering to let people know.
• 34:32
  Like, if your pancreas is suffering and you have pancreatic insufficiency, you could see this in the gut test.
• 34:38
  You could see the inflammation.
• 34:39
  You could see your anti-Gladin or Zonulin levels in red.
• 34:44
  You can see your liver markers in red and you can see bile markers that are showing deficient.
• 34:50
  And so, when you get this information, you could target exactly what's going on in your body and fix it correctly, fix it quickly and not have to spend 20 years or so trying to
• 34:58
  get your body on track and maybe never get there because you didn't know what you didn't know.
• 35:02
  And so, this is so empowering to be able to do that.
• 35:05
  And I do have like just a six-week jumpstart, which is my foundations program.
• 35:09
  It comes with the MRT,
• 35:11
  food sensitivity test and it tests for 175 foods and chemicals.
• 35:16
  You'd be surprised at how many chemicals people come up reactive to.
• 35:20
  So, that you get six weeks of working with me and then dialing in the diet that's specific to what your body wants to turn off inflammation.
• 35:29
  So, this is how we turn off the inflammation, reduce the blood sugar, because I do use a low carb, my low carb method to help guide people to reduce the blood sugar dysregulation,
• 35:39
  reset the metabolism, drop that 20 pounds.
• 35:41
  And then, just really dial in the food that's going to work for your body to keep the inflammation turned off.
• 35:46
  When you don't have any pain, then you're able to be more active and that's when you really start bringing in that aging beautifully and adventurously lifestyle for longevity.
• 35:55
  Yeah.
• 35:55
  No, I think that's great.
• 35:56
  We- The MRT, we like the MRT.
• 35:58
  We use the MRT here as well.
• 36:00
  Yeah.
• 36:00
  It's a, just for people to understand, there are lots of food sensitivity testing out there and a lot of them will measure different antibodies, IgG, IgE, and IgA, and, another
• 36:15
  IgG as well.
• 36:17
  And the interesting thing about that is that
• 36:22
  the antibodies can show cross reactivity to a food that is in some level kind of hypothetical.
• 36:29
  Now, if you have an IgE antibody, then you probably may have an allergic reaction to something.
• 36:35
  But if it's an IgG, it could just be a cross reaction.
• 36:38
  And so, what we like about the MRT is that it's actually looking at your white blood cells and seeing if they actually are releasing
• 36:46
  in response to the presence of the food.
• 36:48
  So, if they're releasing cytokines, inflammatory cytokines in response to the food, and they detect that by seeing the white blood cell shrink.
• 36:55
  So, when they see the white blood cell shrinking, they know this is an actual reaction to the food.
• 37:00
  It's not a hypothetical reaction.
• 37:01
  So, it's a very functional test.
• 37:03
  So, if you're skeptical about food sensitivity testing, we think the MRT is a good way to go.
• 37:09
  Yeah, I've had a lot of, since I've worked with diet in helping people into a low carb method for a lifestyle, it's been huge to help them turn off their pain, turn off their
• 37:19
  inflammation, to really start focusing because I even had somebody who was drinking diet Coke all the time.
• 37:24
  And she, of course, you know, her food sensitivity showed benzoic acid.
• 37:27
  I mean, you know, she came up sensitive to that.
• 37:30
  My niece, you know, she's just living off of noodle bowls and processed food and sugar and it's, you know, dairy, wheat, and MSG came up.
• 37:38
  And then I had another client that was, she was just being more proactive, but she found huge bloom of pathogenic bacteria.
• 37:46
  And her food sensitivity correlated to the actual food that her body was causing this bloom.
• 37:51
  And so, she had a huge dairy reaction that I'd never even seen in somebody else's test.
• 37:55
  And she wasn't even that overweight.
• 37:57
  It's just, was what was developing inside before it became an autoimmune condition, which is really fascinating that we can actually stop that from happening
• 38:07
  by changing the food you're eating.
• 38:09
  Yeah.
• 38:09
  And I think if you're struggling with autoimmunity, I think the gut in your food is really the first, the first line of defense, really sorting that out.
• 38:18
  And again, I don't think you can do it in kind of a haphazard way.
• 38:21
  I think you need to be systematic about deconstructing, 'What's going on with my gut?' 'What's going on with my digestive system?' 'Am I absorbing my fats properly?' 'Does my
• 38:29
  gallbladder work?' 'Does my pancreatic lipase work?'
• 38:32
  that has to be taken into consideration.
• 38:34
  ' Am I breaking those down and absorbing those properly?', you know?
• 38:37
  If you don't, if you don't fully deconstruct the situation, see if you have leaky gut or don't have leaky gut, all these different things, you know, you, you won't, you won't get
• 38:46
  the same result, but if you're systematic about it, then, you know, that's the strategy that you actually want.
• 38:51
  the strategy that works.
• 38:52
  And that's what I'm noticing is a lot of people will try to do a Keto carnivore diet and then they go in, they get hungry, they go back to the carbs, they try to do it again, they
• 39:01
  can't do it, they go back to the carbs, their digestion's not functioning, they're not absorbing their nutrients, they can't get that energy to their brain.
• 39:08
  And even though they think they're doing it right, they can't succeed.
• 39:12
  And that's just been really huge in trying to get that habit installed and correct the digestion.
• 39:18
  I mean, that's why-
• 39:19
  That's the first month is basically those food sensitivities, mineral balancing and getting that digestion on track and showing them what's going on with their bodies so that
• 39:27
  they can see it in black and white.
• 39:30
  Yeah.
• 39:30
  powerful when you do see it in black and white, all of sudden it's like, 'Ok, let's do that.' Right?
• 39:35
  So, well, this is great.
• 39:36
  I love the work that you're doing.
• 39:38
  Appreciate your approach to this.
• 39:40
  And I love the adventurous side of this, quite honestly, since I think, really, why do you want to lose the weight in the first place?
• 39:45
  Some people, it's pure vanity.
• 39:47
  But I think, really, even if it's pure vanity, what does that create for you?
• 39:50
  It creates more invention, right?
• 39:52
  So...
• 39:53
  ability to stay active, to get up and off the ground.
• 39:56
  I mean, if you're looking at being over 60 and so many people are dropping dead in their 50s and 60s, and if you want to stay active, you got to look at your whole-body health,
• 40:03
  like you were saying, get everything tuned up, correct it, and then your body is going to work well so that you can gain that next 10 to 20 years of active living for longevity and
• 40:13
  longer.
• 40:14
  But if you don't, where is that going to go?
• 40:16
  And so, you got to look for those pain points and decide.
• 40:19
  You know, if you've got grandchildren, you want to get out there and play with them, you want to go out to, you know, explore Machu Picchu or whatever, get out there and do some
• 40:25
  hiking.
• 40:25
  You got to get your body to the point where it can actually be active without pain.
• 40:30
  Yeah.
• 40:31
  know, the other thing I'll mention is that there are some technologies we're working with now that I think are just absolutely phenomenal at actually turning back the clock for
• 40:38
  people.
• 40:38
  I mean, like we've, we've done some other podcasts about it, but I mean, it's sort of centrally reprogramming the aging clock for people.
• 40:45
  Yeah, it's unbelievably cool.
• 40:48
  But I will say that in order to take full advantage of that, it's very important that you're doing the fundamental things of, you know.
• 40:56
  sorting out your diet, your exercise.
• 40:59
  These things just never go away, sorting out your sleep and your stress levels for that matter, how much eating is related to stress, right?
• 41:05
  So, learning
• 41:06
  it, you know, I pretty much live and breathe it and think it every day.
• 41:09
  I mean, it's just a lot.
• 41:10
  You want to turn it into a lifestyle, so that it becomes second nature, so that you're always listening to your body.
• 41:15
  'Okay.
• 41:15
  My body feels different today.
• 41:17
  What did I do wrong?
• 41:17
  What did I eat yesterday?
• 41:19
  And how is that affecting how I feel today?' And that's, that's basically how you plug into the lifestyle of just living life as an adventure.
• 41:27
  Yep.
• 41:28
  And then when you do some of these other bigger procedures or whatever, the kinds of things that we're alluding to here, then all of a sudden you have the substrate to
• 41:34
  actually really have that take a major effect, right?
• 41:37
  So yeah, it's super exciting, super exciting stuff.
• 41:40
  I appreciate your work so much.
• 41:41
  Thank you.
• 41:42
  Really appreciate you having me and interviewing me on your podcast.
• 41:46
  It's been awesome to meet you.
• 41:48
  Yeah.
• 41:48
  Awesome.
• 41:49
  Well, have a great day.
• 41:50
  Thank you.
• 41:51
  Bye.