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Steph Curry's Uncertain future with Warriors + Ryan Clark’s ESPN fallout | 7.27 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 2: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 3: A hater.
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  Speaker 2: We got one of those media stories that y'all love
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  Speaker 2: for reasons I don't understand.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: Also, Arizona State doing the most Arizona State thing ever.
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  Speaker 2: Put a pin in that one. But first, you know,
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  Speaker 2: LeBron decided on Friday, or at least he told us
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  Speaker 2: on Friday, that he would be going to play for
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  Speaker 2: the 76ers.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this. We did a YouTube exclusive on
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  Speaker 3: that for the audio audience, because by now, That dope
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  Speaker 3: step doll, man.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, but so many different ways. Talk about LeBron making
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  Speaker 2: that decision. The one part, the one part. I would
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  Speaker 2: throw this out here.
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  Speaker 3: I believe I said something about it the other day,
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  Speaker 3: but this is the truth. And I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: LeBron ready for this.
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  Speaker 2: Andre Drummond made this point where he said that he
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  Speaker 2: got to be careful taking like a minimum deal just
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  Speaker 2: to get on and go from there. Because he's like,
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  Speaker 2: once you sign for a minimum deal, you a minimum player, right?
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  Speaker 2: LeBron James is now a $ 4 million a year player,
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  Speaker 2: which means they're going to treat him like he's a
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  Speaker 2: $ 4 million a year player, even though he is, in fact,
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  Speaker 2: LeBron James. That's going to be an adjustment. Anyway, the
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  Speaker 2: most interesting thing, I think, to have emerged after that
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  Speaker 2: actually isn't about LeBron. It's not like this is something
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  Speaker 2: that we didn't notice happening already, but Of the teams
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  Speaker 2: that didn't sign LeBron, the most interesting one I.
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  Speaker 3: Think now has become Golden State.
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  Speaker 2: And it's interesting in a weird way because Miami just
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  Speaker 2: added Giannis. They are very interesting. Minnesota added LaMelo Ball.
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  Speaker 2: They are very interesting. Cleveland is interesting-ish because they, you know,
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  Speaker 2: They kind of sort of running it back. At least
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  Speaker 2: it feels like they're running it back with the team
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  Speaker 2: that went farther than it's gone before. But we don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's good enough. It's a lot going on over
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  Speaker 2: there with them. But with Golden State, Joe Lacob, Joe
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  Speaker 2: Lacob is the owner of the Golden State Warriors.
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  Speaker 3: And he don't know how to talk about people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he knows how to talk to people,
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  Speaker 2: but I do know he doesn't know how to talk
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  Speaker 2: about people. You may remember when they won the championship
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  Speaker 2: that one time and Lakob got on the mic at
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  Speaker 2: the parade and he gave credit to the staff for
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  Speaker 2: what a great job that staff did for getting.
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  Speaker 3: Contracts done.
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  Speaker 2: That got everybody on the team, which is a way
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  Speaker 2: of saying, hey, you did a great job of underpaying guys.
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  Speaker 3: You know, not at the parade. You got to thank
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  Speaker 3: those guys when the players aren't around.
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, that's just not what you do.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Lacob doesn't know how to talk about people. We
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  Speaker 2: got a recent quote from Joe Lacob, where Joe Lacob
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  Speaker 2: talked about this team, this roster, as it stands, and
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  Speaker 2: how they are preparing for the post-Steph era.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't like saying that you're preparing for.
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  Speaker 2: The post Kareem era in 1988, where yes, Kareem is
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  Speaker 2: still on the team, but it is an obviously diminished
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  Speaker 2: version of Kareem. And it is your recognition that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Kareem's not going to be here forever.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to need to do something else. But again,
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  Speaker 3: Kareem's not the best player on the team.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Steph is still not just the best player on the team.
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  Speaker 2: Not just the guy who sells all the tickets.
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  Speaker 3: But a guy that's still capable of putting up incredible moments.
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  Speaker 3: He's not the player that he was 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: But what you saw in the Olympics two years ago
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  Speaker 3: is the value as a guy like him ages of
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  Speaker 3: a dude that can still produce in big moments, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like this is watching the soccer and getting a better
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  Speaker 2: understanding of what's going on there has given me a
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  Speaker 2: different appreciation. And you'll hear me talk about this a
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  Speaker 2: lot now. I'll tell you what, I think he was
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  Speaker 2: talking about Messi. He was like, this is not a game.
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  Speaker 2: This game is not about consistency. This game is about moments.
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  Speaker 2: And it rewards people who come up in moments. Basketball
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  Speaker 2: is a game that places a higher value on consistency
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  Speaker 2: because unlike soccer, it's a lot more ways to give
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  Speaker 2: up and score points along the way, right?
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  Speaker 3: So the consistency part matters in a different way.
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  Speaker 2: But Steph is still at his best, one of the
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  Speaker 2: best players in the NBA. Like, he still matters in
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  Speaker 2: that way. And you as a franchise still treat him
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  Speaker 2: like he is a superstar.
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  Speaker 3: And if you believe that you have a superstar in
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  Speaker 3: that way, then what you need to do is do
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  Speaker 3: the best with having him right now. Right? And for
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  Speaker 3: the last seven years, the Warriors have consistently tried to
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  Speaker 3: figure out what they gonna do later when they got
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  Speaker 3: a like right now dude. And if you don't think
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  Speaker 3: that Steph is a right now dude, somebody does.
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  Speaker 2: Put a stamp on him and move him. But see,
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  Speaker 2: that might, that will require a little bit too much courage.
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  Speaker 2: Because Joe Lacob knows. Or if he doesn't know, somebody
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  Speaker 2: has told him. You trade stuff like that if you
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  Speaker 2: want to, ain't nobody buying them expensive ass tickets to
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  Speaker 2: your new little building. And to be fair to the
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  Speaker 2: Warriors also, they went and got Jimmy Butler. They had
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  Speaker 2: a bad break with Jimmy messing up his knee. So
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  Speaker 2: it's not as though the Warriors haven't done anything at all.
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  Speaker 3: But at the same.
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  Speaker 2: Time, they appear to be trying to ride this thing
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  Speaker 2: out without Like, maximizing it. The Draymond thing is interesting,
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  Speaker 2: and I actually give them credit for doing right by Draymond,
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  Speaker 2: because Draymond opted out of his deal so that they
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  Speaker 2: could maybe get LeBron, and then when they didn't get LeBron,
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  Speaker 2: they brought Draymond back on. I am not positive that
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  Speaker 2: Danny Ainge would have done that.
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  Speaker 3: Are you?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Are you certain that Danny Ainge would have been like, hey, Draymond,
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  Speaker 3: uh deal's a deal or if they're like so i
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  Speaker 3: know what we talk hey i know.
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  Speaker 2: But like danny age with better words would already trade
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  Speaker 2: stuff out of there my question in this and i
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  Speaker 2: don't read too much or see too much about this
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  Speaker 2: i saw my guy marcus thompson clark atlanta university's own
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  Speaker 2: He said at some point, Steph's got to be mad
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  Speaker 2: at what the Warriors have or have not been doing.
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  Speaker 2: But he didn't say that, at least not from what
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  Speaker 2: I saw, in a way that he implied that he
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  Speaker 2: knew Steph was mad about it.
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  Speaker 3: Like, are you mad?
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  Speaker 2: And I ask this not as a judgment of Steph.
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  Speaker 2: I ask this with a legitimate measure of curiosity because
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  Speaker 2: I think personally where Steph is in his career and
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  Speaker 2: what I would assume is in his life I do
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  Speaker 2: not use the term ring chasing in the pejorative way
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  Speaker 2: that most people do, right? And what I mean by
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  Speaker 2: that is, are you not supposed to try to get
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  Speaker 2: on the best team you can? I don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: something to judge people for. Hey, man, what kind of
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  Speaker 2: team am I supposed to get on? Like, an example
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  Speaker 2: of ring chasing, if we were going to think about
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  Speaker 2: it in that context, is like Robert Parrish getting on
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  Speaker 2: the 96 Bulls. It was the 97 Bulls. Whichever one
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  Speaker 2: he was on, Robert Perrins wasn't doing nothing but clapping.
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  Speaker 2: He was over there with Buda Edwards.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: They're going to get a ring, but they're not really
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  Speaker 2: contributing to a ring. They're just on a team. John
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  Speaker 2: Sally with the Lakers. You're just on the team, okay?
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  Speaker 2: If Steph Curry was trying to go somewhere and get
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  Speaker 2: a ring, he wouldn't just be a guy that was
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  Speaker 2: on the team. Like Oscar Robertson. playing for the 71 bucks.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a guy that's chasing a ring. It's a
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  Speaker 2: guy that's going to a team that has a chance
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  Speaker 2: to win a championship.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I don't see it that way. But you are
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  Speaker 3: chasing a ring.
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  Speaker 2: If you make that call at the end of your
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  Speaker 2: career that you're going to leave one of these places
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  Speaker 2: to go somewhere else, like, you're doing it specifically for
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  Speaker 2: the purpose of getting a ring.
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  Speaker 3: You can say that with no judgment. That is a
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  Speaker 3: statement of fact.
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  Speaker 2: Is it really worth it when you get that ring
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  Speaker 2: if you already have rings? So like Oscar Robertson, what's
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  Speaker 2: the point of staying with the Cincinnati Royals? You got
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  Speaker 2: a chance to play with Luau Sendor. Yeah, you go
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  Speaker 2: do that. I mean, that one, that's absolutely 100% worth it.
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  Speaker 2: A hockey example for those of you who do that.
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  Speaker 2: Ray Bork going to the Colorado Avalanche. Absolutely 100% worth it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the only thing that you got left to
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  Speaker 2: check off is that.
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  Speaker 3: And you go and do it. Boom. 100% worth it.
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  Speaker 3: Four-time NBA champion, Steph Curry.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably not worth to pick up and go somewhere
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  Speaker 2: else and try to figure it out. Also, as you
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  Speaker 2: yourself are in year 18, that's what we're going into
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  Speaker 2: with Steph Curry.
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  Speaker 3: We're going into year 18.
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  Speaker 2: There's no guarantee physically what you're going to wind up being.
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  Speaker 2: You cannot assume that you're going to continue to come
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  Speaker 2: back every year, even reasonably close to being as good
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  Speaker 2: as you were the year before.
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  Speaker 3: All of those things.
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  Speaker 2: I think there is a charm to being a guy
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  Speaker 2: who stays with a franchise all the way through. Like
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  Speaker 2: there's something different about when Dirk has his last game
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  Speaker 2: and you see everybody in the arena there.
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  Speaker 3: So that only really happens when you stay with one team.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's a moment that feels kind of like graduation
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  Speaker 2: in a sense. Those things seem pretty cool to me.
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  Speaker 2: And I think at this point in my life, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sentimental in a way. that I think those things are
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  Speaker 2: really valuable. And I think that those things matter in
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  Speaker 2: their memories that you take with you and so forth
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  Speaker 2: and so on and everything else. And even if everybody
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  Speaker 2: understands why you did it, it's not the same if
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  Speaker 2: you leave. I don't think it'd really be worth it
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  Speaker 2: for Steph Curry to leave. I don't really think that
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  Speaker 2: it would be worth it for Draymond Green to leave.
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  Speaker 2: If you still want to play, I get it. But
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  Speaker 2: in the end, I don't know. From where I sit,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not these guys. They're wired different. But from where
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  Speaker 2: I sit, I question whether or not you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get the real payback off of it from doing that.
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  Speaker 3: But goddamn, man, they're going to stay on the team.
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  Speaker 3: You got to do something a little different than this.
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  Speaker 2: And even if you do the exact same thing that
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  Speaker 2: you're doing, you have to say at every turn if
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  Speaker 2: you're the Warriors, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: We're doing the thing. We're trying to make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: And at some point, Like, I feel like sometimes with
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  Speaker 2: star players, I'm trying to remember the first star player
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  Speaker 2: I ever said this about. But I was like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 2: at some point, someday, you got to step up, put
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  Speaker 2: your big boy star player pants on, you got to
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  Speaker 2: go upstairs, and you got to get that coach fired. Like,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes that's the responsibility that comes with being the guy
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  Speaker 2: that ultimately has the last decision, right?
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  Speaker 3: That ultimately has the most sway.
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  Speaker 2: And at some point, I'm not saying that he's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to get Steve Kerr fired. Of course, that's not the
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  Speaker 2: point that I'm making, though there's an argument for it.
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  Speaker 2: Most people in Steve Kerr's position would have got fired
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  Speaker 2: by now, not re-upped in the way that he was.
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  Speaker 3: See what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: They just keep running this thing back, right? But at
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  Speaker 2: some point, he got to go upstairs, and if he
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  Speaker 2: ain't doing it already, he'll be.
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  Speaker 3: Like, yo, so what are we doing here? What's the program?
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  Speaker 3: What's the plan? I only got a couple more years
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  Speaker 3: of this. Are you trying to win this or not?
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  Speaker 2: Because there's no good reason for you to not try
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  Speaker 2: to win it with Steph Curry unless.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think he's that guy.
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  Speaker 2: And not only does that raise the question whether or
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  Speaker 2: not you think he's that guy, have you ever really.
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  Speaker 3: Thought that he was that guy? Because I.
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  Speaker 3: As someone who has a notorious list of times where
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  Speaker 3: I have underestimated what Steph Curry was capable of while
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  Speaker 3: also thinking very highly of him, I can relate to
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  Speaker 3: maybe being a little late to the program. I can
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  Speaker 3: relate to perhaps holding on to whatever your priors were
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  Speaker 3: too tightly in the face, even in the face of
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  Speaker 3: certain evidence, right? But you as a team, A lot
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  Speaker 3: of my holdups were paradigmatic, right? Like a lot of
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  Speaker 3: my holdups were about, can you win playing in the
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  Speaker 3: style that they were playing? Clearly you thought you could
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  Speaker 3: because you played in the style that you did. But
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  Speaker 3: then for the last seven years, even though you won
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  Speaker 3: the championship that year, I don't think that this franchise
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  Speaker 3: has acted like they got something special that don't come
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  Speaker 3: along every day and you got to max it out.
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  Speaker 3: Ever since they went on that two timeline nonsense. They
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  Speaker 3: have been actively trying to prepare for tomorrow, and this
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  Speaker 3: league doesn't really allow you to play for tomorrow and
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  Speaker 3: play for today at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing they won the championship when they did. And
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  Speaker 2: why did they win that championship when they did? Because
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  Speaker 2: they had Steph Curry.
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  Speaker 3: That's why. They still have Steph Curry. And this is
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  Speaker 3: not like the last couple years for the Lakers where
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  Speaker 3: Kobe was cooked. So no, we're definitely playing for tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: We just got him here to sell tickets and make
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  Speaker 3: people feel better about it. That's not what's going on here, guys.
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  Speaker 3: You got the guy and he's still pretty good right now.
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  Speaker 2: And you're out loud talking about what we're going to
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  Speaker 2: do tomorrow. That's the beauty of being the owner. Can't
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  Speaker 2: nobody fire you for being stupid.
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  Speaker 3: All right, guys. We got ourselves into a media story
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  Speaker 3: on this podcast. Realize something right quick. Mike, say hi
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  Speaker 3: to the people right fast. Ryan is out doing some
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  Speaker 3: things for a little bit. We got our buddy Mike
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  Speaker 3: McQuaid is here on the scene helping us out. My man, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the program. Happy summer. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been awesome. It's been it's an honor.
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  Speaker 5: And I got big shoes to fill for for Ryan.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm excited to be here now.
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  Speaker 2: My daddy work at ESPN, so you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: off the screen while I talk about the rest of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. Just making sure that you understood that I'm
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  Speaker 2: always looking out for you, big dog.
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  Speaker 6: Anyway, I.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Said many times I am fascinated by the way that
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: you guys are fascinated by media stories. And I do
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: my best to avoid a media story unless I really
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: feel like I have like something truly positive to not positive,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: but just something to add to it. Because I think
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I just don't think it looks good.
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  Speaker 3: Like being a former employee of a company.
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  Speaker 2: And constantly having something to say about the way that
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  Speaker 2: they do business or about the people who are still there.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody who knows me knows that my outlook on the
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: time that I spend at ESPN is I am just
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  Speaker 2: absolutely furious about all that time I spent at that
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  Speaker 2: entity that made.
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  Speaker 3: Me kind of rich and kind of famous. Wow. Beef.
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  Speaker 3: I got all the beef. No, I don't have the beef.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't, right? You don't like everything that a
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  Speaker 3: company does or whatever, but I don't have there's no
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  Speaker 3: like lingering resentment that I have like toward that company.
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  Speaker 3: It just doesn't work that way. It is an interesting place.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just surprised at how interested the rest of you
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  Speaker 3: are by what goes on there.
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  Speaker 2: I've said before, and I think that maybe this is
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  Speaker 2: part of it. that a lot of it is just
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  Speaker 2: simply a function of the fact that in our business,
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  Speaker 2: we talk about the personnel dealings at other companies.
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  Speaker 3: And by other companies, I mean like leagues. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like part of our business is talking about people getting hired,
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  Speaker 2: people getting fired, scandals at their jobs everywhere else.
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  Speaker 3: So it's somewhat reasonable to expect that people would come
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  Speaker 3: back and look at our business that way in general
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  Speaker 3: and ESPN in specific. But like nobody looks at Fox
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  Speaker 3: that way. Like nobody cares what goes on over there,
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  Speaker 3: for example. It's just not it. I don't think there's
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  Speaker 3: any network that anybody cares more about what happens with
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  Speaker 3: the people than ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a great answer as to why, again,
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  Speaker 2: I gave you a little hypothesis, but it's no company
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  Speaker 2: like that. Other company like this.
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  Speaker 3: And, uh, Ryan Clark got laid off and boy that,
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  Speaker 3: and at the very least had the internet in a tizzy.
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  Speaker 3: I can't quite always tell like if the real world
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  Speaker 3: feels that way. I want to say this, um, I
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  Speaker 3: know Ryan. I won't say I know Ryan well. That
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be appropriate. But, you know, I've been in communication
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  Speaker 3: with Ryan for a long time. I've been in communication
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  Speaker 3: with Ryan since before he got to ESPN, like when
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: he was in the league. I believe that two things. One, fundamentally,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Ryan is a good dude. Actually, three things. One, I
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: think Ryan is fundamentally a good dude. Two, I think
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: that Ryan is really, really good at his job. And three,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You got to remember, after Ryan left the league, Ryan
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: went to Bristol and did an internship. And then he
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: got on. ESPN figured something out a few years ago,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: which was that they stopped hiring a lot of the
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: really big names to be on. And they hired guys who...
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: played in the NFL, but weren't necessarily superstars.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: And what they wound up getting when they did that
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: is guys that put in a lot of grind to
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: get good at what they do. And so I look
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: at Ryan like that. I look at Marcus Spears like that.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I look at Orlovsky. Those dudes really put in a
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: lot of work at their craft. We're at a time
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: in this industry where people who do jobs like mine,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: people by and large would rather hear athletes talk about
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: those things.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's a little weird sometimes and not
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: often are those guys that good at their jobs. That
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is not applying to Ryan Clark and those people I
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: just named about it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: They did it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: They put in the grind and he worked really hard.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And so I applaud him for getting as long as
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: he did with the network. And I know it doesn't
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: feel good or it couldn't feel good to have things
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: happen in the way that they did.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: As many of you know me, I want.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: had a time on a Sunday where I was planning
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: to come to work and ask for a raise on
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Monday coming off vacation and I found out on Sunday
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: that on Monday they were going to announce that the
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: radio station was being sold and then when they announced
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: that the radio station was being sold that night A
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: friend of mine sent me a text and said that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: he was sorry to hear that my time slot had
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: been given to somebody else, which nobody had told me.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: And so I called my boss and I said, has
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: this time slot been given away? And my boss said
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to me, and I quote, I can neither confirm nor deny.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And then I still had to go to work the
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: day after that.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I say that to say, I know what it's like
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to find out that you're losing your job, except they
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: don't really tell you about it. It's a humiliating feeling.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: And the humiliation of it is.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: Truly the disrespect of it all.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And Ryan went through that in a way that I
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: cannot really relate to.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I see why that part of it. What's the story?
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: You know, like, you know, is that meme at that
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: time that Harrison Barnes got traded and it got announced,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: but he was still in the game? You know, like this,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: those sorts of things happen.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, you got traded. But they don't cut
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you in the middle of the game.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Like, Ryan used to do the most cutthroat job in
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the world, playing football in the NFL. They ain't never
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: come to you at halftime and be like, hey, hey,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: go ahead and take it in, man.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't even worry about it, partner. Ain't
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: no thing. We'll cover your shift. That's never happened. That
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: was terrible. I felt bad for him.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I hated that it played out for him like that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But what prompted me to talk about this is something
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: that I saw that he said on the pivot after
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the fact. And he was pretty emotional about what wound
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: up happening. And he made a point or he said
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: something to the effect of, you know, he realized that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: he wanted for ESPN to accept him as he was, right?
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And that was the part that I wanted to talk about.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Because, one, it kind of got into this interesting place
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that comes up when you talk about ESPN, where ESPN
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: is not a person. And all it takes for you
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to get run out of there is one person to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: not want you to work there anymore. Like no matter
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: what the circumstances are, if they lay you off or
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: they fire you or whatever it is, the reason is
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: not the budget.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: The reason is because somebody didn't want you to work
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: there no more. And it only takes one.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you get a bunch of people and it's a
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: critical mass or whatever it is. Sometimes you need one
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: person who don't want you to work there for you
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to not work there anymore. It takes one person who
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: does want you to work there to.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Save you, right?
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Like my last year there was because there was one
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: person who came in and wanted me to work there
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and big-footed a person who didn't want me to work there.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And then the next year, nobody came to save me,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and that dude didn't want me to work there anymore.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't work there anymore. That's it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: At a fundamental level, and I don't know the particulars,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: what happened to Ryan was somebody didn't want him to
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: work there anymore.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: They got whatever their reasons are or whatever it is.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Somebody did not want him to work there anymore. It
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be a bigger, broader thing about the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: whole company.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It really only takes one and then.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Nobody else who necessarily cares enough to save you.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: That's all it takes. You know?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to being accepted by the company,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I say this like for.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Just about everybody. And this is why I'm saying this,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: because it's not that particular to Ryan, because I don't
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: really want to, like, I haven't, I could talk to
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Ryan about this and I haven't, you know what I mean?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: So I don't feel like I should be saying anything
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: here to you that I would, that would be directed
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: toward him. But I will make this point about, like,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: being accepted by a large, a company or whatever it is,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: especially related to the types of The type of stuff
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: that Ryan does and the things that Ryan is willing
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to talk about and Ryan wants to talk about.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: What you hope for is that they will respect you. Now,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: their respecting you ain't going to stop them from firing you.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And quite honestly, their respecting you isn't going to stop
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: them necessarily from trying to embarrass you on the way out.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: But I know I felt like in the time I
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: was there, there were probably certain people, people who did
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: not like the types of things that I talked about
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and the ways that I would like to talk about them.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: But I definitely felt like those motherfuckers respected me.
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: But I never thought that that was a proxy or
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that was going to be enough to like, quote unquote,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: save me if it came down to it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: But what I definitely never thought thought was reasonable to
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: expect is that they would accept me as I was
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: because they're not obligated to and they were probably never
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: going to do that they might put up with me
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: if they would give me the space to do my
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: thing that was kind of satisfactory for me but especially
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: if you make.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: The decision that you are going to make content or
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: you are going to do work that challenges the status quo.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: The expectation is that you will not be accepted. That
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: is what makes such behavior daring. And if you believe
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: it to be courageous, that's why that is the case
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: is because you will not be accepted for it. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: guess that's the whole point. That's the whole thing of it, right?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: And so once you make the call and you make
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the decision that you're going to kick it a certain way,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the clock is only going to run but so long.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: One day, one of those people that gets mad at
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you on the internet, some avatar of that person is
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: going to wind up being in charge. And when you
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: think about what happens when people get in charge, imagine
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: if somebody told you that you could go to ESPN
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and you could make all the changes that you ever
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: wanted to make.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Imagine how fast you would do that. That's the exact
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: same thing that happens when you put people in these
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: chairs or get them into the place of making these decisions.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: They get to create the network that they want to watch.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is that they get to do.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: And if I had to guess, that's what happened in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: this case. And nah, acceptance is unlikely. And I'm saying
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: this not just to people who do this job. I'm
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: saying this to people who do whatever the job is,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: no matter where you are, no matter what it is.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: If you make the decision to stand on your two
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: or whatever the thing is, that is the reward for
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: doing so is all going to be intrinsically based on.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: The fact that you did that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: But in the end, it's never going to come around
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: and then be like, yeah, you know what?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I love you for that. You know, that's never going
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: to be the case. That's not it. So if you're
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: going to do it, you got to do it. And
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: you go like whatever comes next is whatever is going
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: to come next. But acceptance is not just unlikely. It
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: is not required. It is a luxury if you happen
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: to receive it in that case. And I say that
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: for everybody, everybody that comes close to doing anything like this.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: You got to make peace with that fact on the
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: front end. That's how this job works. That's how this
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: world works. You know, if you think it's right, you
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: got to do that. You got to ride out with
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: it on that. And I'll say this for Ryan. Ryan
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: stood on a bunch of stuff.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: And so for him, I hope that he can take
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: satisfaction in that part That part in the end will
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: always matter way more than however things ended at that place.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I'll also say this last thing because I thought this
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: was interesting and what Ryan had to say about it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: An interesting thing about athletes working in the media space,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and I talked to an athlete that works at ESPN
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: who was talking about this, which was like he had
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to understand or learn how to navigate through a corporate
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: political structure because he's like, hey, baby, in my world,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: you just show up with a piece of paper and
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, man, I had 1,500 yards and 12 touchdowns.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: This is the number for that. And that's what, you know,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: you negotiate off of that, right? Ryan thought that he
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: was too good at his job to get let go.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that to say that he was arrogant.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I think he was too good at his job to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: get let go. Man, they'll let anybody go in this
• 29:40
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• 29:45
  Speaker 2: we'll put something else in here and we'll do this
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: and we'll shift this around.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: We'll pick those numbers up somehow, right?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: There's a very small number of us that they believe
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: are too good to get cut. Very, very, very small number.
• 30:00
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• 30:02
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• 30:05
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  Speaker 4: Now, if you haven't heard.
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• 34:32
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• 34:34
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• 34:42
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• 34:46
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• 35:10
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• 35:14
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• 35:19
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• 35:20
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• 35:22
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• 35:24
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• 35:25
  Speaker 5: Yes um so moving on to to uh mike rabel
• 35:30
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• 35:36
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• 35:39
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• 35:42
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• 35:50
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• 36:11
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• 36:13
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• 36:15
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• 36:19
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• 36:21
  Speaker 3: it dogged on me. Oh, that's right. You had that
• 36:25
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• 36:30
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• 36:32
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• 36:40
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• 36:45
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• 36:49
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• 36:51
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• 36:53
  Speaker 6: And that's the thing, too. Like, if he didn't do
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: the dog, do people move on?
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing else for us to do with
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: it right now.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: Exactly.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: You know, now, not unless you start, like, showing up
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: to games. That would be crazy. Yes, it would be.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: And then the final thing is, you know, my alma mater,
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: I like to call it the Harvard of the Southwest,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Arizona State, is now offering a degree to become an
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: influencer at the Walter Cronkite School, which I graduated from.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: I'm speechless about it. What are your thoughts about now
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: you can be a degree as an influencer and graduate
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: within four years?
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Mike, why did you go to Arizona State? For sports
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: journalism and the- Mike, why did you go to Arizona State?
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: To have a good time for four years?
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look here. I don't know if there is going
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: to be a major. Me and my mans are talking
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: about this.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: With a higher smoking hot per capita quotient than the
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: influencer major at arizona state it's gonna have a bunch
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: of athletes in it too partially because they want to
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: major in it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: And partially because they just want to they just want.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: To be there you know what i'm saying like this
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: is this is This is going to be interesting and
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting to see like how the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: that that pipeline in Arizona State got that pipeline.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: To the to the industry. Yes, they do.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: They have quite a few. It's not like the Syracuse
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: to ESPN pipeline.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: But it's like like all I'm saying. I am surprised.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Like it's the next logical step.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: The Arizona State just go all the way and offer
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: an adult concentration to the theater major.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Like like this is like
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: this is this is the place.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: To go and be like of a particular archetype, white
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: woman in particular. Arizona State has been to school for that.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And now they a major. This is what's so wild
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: to me about this major.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: It is a major that is intended literally to teach
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you how to not get a job.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: It's the only one. Like, people will talk about, like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: liberal arts majors, like, how you gonna get a job
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: with that? There are lots of people who get jobs
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: with those, right? The point of being an influencer is
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: to not get a job, right? This is a scam major,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: by the way. Because at some point, you know what
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: you're going to need to do? Get a fucking job, right?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: All these influencers are like, yo, you think this is easy, da, da, da,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: all this stuff. It ain't that many of them making money.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: It's a finite amount that are going to be making money.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: And after that, you need to go get a job.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I wish you would come in here and tell me
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: that you got a bachelor's degree in selfie studies. Are
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you serious? You can't be like just about any degree. Hey,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: a degree is a degree you got. I can't imagine.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: I went and got a Ph.D. and now I got
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: to teach these kids how to do what? Nah, nah, nah, baby.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Turn a little bit more to the side, right? Like,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: what are we talking about? What is this?
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's a great way to make money. I'll
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: say that.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Kids are going to definitely sign up for it. Here's
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: what I'm trying to imagine. Let me be the parent.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: And we paying God knows what the prices are these days.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: And you're like, what you want to major in? I
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: want to be an influencer. I'm not paying for that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: No chance. I'm not paying for that. Hell no.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: And the thing is, the simple skills that I was
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: taught at journalism school, video editing and everything.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: You can do that by yourself now on YouTube. You
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: can go do things where you don't need a teacher.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, if you do this, we're good. Like, oh, you're
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: guaranteed a following or guaranteed this. If you started two
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: years ago before you enrolled, you.
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: Wouldn't have to be there.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not. Let me tell you what else that influencer
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: major is going to have. A lot of papers written
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: by ChatGPT. Right? Ain't nobody signed enough for that major
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: to work hard. That's the opposite of the point.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: And I think the last thing, what school would you see?
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: I'm just coming to mind. What school is going to
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: follow up with this? That's going to be the next one.
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: Because I can see, like, you Miami doing it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: The University of Phoenix? Like, I don't, like, see, I
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: don't know. Miami takes itself a little bit more seriously.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: That's the, Florida State, mayhaps.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: You know? I say University of Miami because, like, that
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: Alex Earl, those Cavender twins, those people have came from it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: So would they want to bring them back in order to?
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Ah, interesting question.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: We've got some voicemails here for you that we're going
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: to play.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: First one coming up.
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: Hey, Bomani. This is a true story, and if I
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: need to provide the yearbook photo to prove it, I'll
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: be happy to do so. So I grew up in
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: upstate New York in the 80s, and there was a
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: kid in a class the year before mine that graduated.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: He was a first-generation immigrant from Vietnam, and he kept
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: his original name, which in our lingo is quite hilarious,
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: but in their language is actually quite common. No lie,
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: his name was Poon Tang. That was his name. And,
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: of course, he was a cult hero at the school.
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: He was in on the joke. Everybody was cool with him.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: We were not making fun of him by calling him
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: by his name. But at his graduation, and my sister
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: graduated in his class a year ahead of mine, at graduation,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: when he crossed the stage, the entire audience of students said, Poon!
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: So after graduation, I was at lunch with my uncle
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: who had come in from out of state, older gentleman.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: And we were talking and he said, why did they
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: boo that young Asian boy? That just wasn't nice. And
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: so then I explained to him what his name was.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: And my uncle, with a straight expression, looked at me,
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: blinked and said, that's just unfortunate.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Anyway, thanks, Bo.
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: Been a big fan for a number of years. Enjoy
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: the program.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Hey, man.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you. And that's kind of like the homie
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: LJ Hoes. You remember LJ Hoes?
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Yep. And I feel bad for LJ Hoes because.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: He's like, that's my name. I don't understand what's so
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: funny about it. And I hear you, but you're the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: one that made your uniform number zero. Like, I don't
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: know what else it is you expected us to do.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: And with all due respect, y'all had the opportunity to
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: change this. Now, like, Poon Tang, hey, man, you know,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: just go that way.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I got a partner. He was married to a woman
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: from Iran.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: And, like, the custom, apparently, is, like, as a term
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: of affection or whatever, you refer to, like, I don't
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: know if it's all women, but her mother, the woman's mother,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: he was supposed to refer to her by her name,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and then you add the suffix con to it. And
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: her name was Farrah, so he was supposed to call
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: her Farrah Khan. And he was like, hey, I don't
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: know why I do it. He's like, I don't really
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: know if I can do that. I don't know if
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I can do that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Sorry.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: All right, on to question or voicemail number two.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Hey, bro. It's E from the DMV. So it's been
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: my busy season at work, so I've had to stream
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: the show for the last couple of months. I'm just
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: now getting back in the office and catching up on
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: all your YouTube content. And while I was catching up,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I noticed you got some new knickknacks on your bookshelf.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: And one of those knickknacks appears to be a bobblehead
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: of an enemy from Durham. And I just got to ask,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: what's the deal behind that? Did you lose a bet?
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Is that an ironic gift from somebody near and dear
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: to you? Or is it possessed and you're safekeeping it
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: so the evil doesn't escape back into the world and
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: plague us again? I know you don't rock with them
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: four-siders from Derrick. Thanks, man.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: All right. So what my man is discussing is this
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: bobblehead right here. It is a West Point bobblehead of
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Mike Krzyzewski. And this was a gift to me from
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: my guy Sam Griffel. Hold on. Sam now works, I believe,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: at Spotify. He was.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: A producer on Game Theory. And our first episode at
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Game Theory had our Duke Museum piece that we did.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: And so as a gift at the end of season one,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Sam gave me the Mike Krzyzewski bobblehead, which I actually
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: thought was a really cool, very particular item. And so
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I put that up there as a shout out to
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Game Theory. And yes, there's a bit of irony because
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: it's Mike Krzyzewski. But no, ain't nothing changed, big dog.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Get that shit straight right now. You understand what I'm saying? Like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I'm true to this. Ain't nothing changed. That's why it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: not a Duke Mike Krzyzewski. It's a West Point Mike Krzyzewski.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: But I mean, damn, that's a little tricky, too. But anyway,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: there is an explanation.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: There we go. And the final voicemail.
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: What up, brother?
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: What up, Ryan?
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: It's Jason down in Mo City, Texas.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: I had to call in for the show's favorite topic
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: because I just had some history thrown at me, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: it's too good not to share. So I love roller coasters,
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: and I was just, you know, got sucked into a
• 47:22
  Speaker 8: roller coaster trip on YouTube, and I learned about the
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: inventor of roller coasters.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: A man, or not the inventor.
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: I learned about the man who was most famous for
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: developing gravity rides and roller coasters, named LaMarcus Thompson. Born
• 47:41
  Speaker 8: in 1848 in Ohio, Bo. And, yes, he's not one
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: of ours. LaMarcus Thompson, back in 1848. Is LaMarcus even ours?
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: You talking about folks borrowing names like Josephine Baker from
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: the 40s? We talking 1848.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: And, yes.
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: There's a non-melanated man walking around named LaMarcus, L-A, capital.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: M, Thompson.
• 48:10
  Speaker 8: Father of roller coasters, apparently.
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: How far back does this go, Bo?
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: Love the show.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: Love the work.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Keep it up. Talk to y'all later.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Me and mine, we spend a lot of time getting
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: our white people from stealing from us, biting off us,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: but what if?
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: What if it actually went the other way?
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Like some dude wrote a book a few years ago
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: with the grand hypothesis, what if Ty Cobb.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Really wasn't a racist? Blew my mind. He had a
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: grand compelling argument. Never thought it could possibly be true.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I thought when he said he was from Mo City,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: it is the show's favorite topic, I thought he was
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: going to talk about how he went to elementary school
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: with Joel and Joel been hating ever since.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: No, he blew my mind with White Lamarcus, the inventor
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: of the roller coaster. Damn. Like, remember what it was
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: like when you found out that it was a black
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: man that invented the super soaker? It was white Lamarcus
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: that invented the rollercoaster. Amazing.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: No wonder they don't talk about him. Hey, man, ladies
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: and gentlemen.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us here. Wow, thanks so
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: much for joining us here on The Right Time. We
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: do this a few days a week during the summer.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Mike McQuaid's handling everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir.
• 49:29
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• 49:35
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• 49:38
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• 49:40
  Speaker 2: you are a hater. We'll talk to you guys in
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: a couple of days.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Take it easy.