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The 5 Financial Mistakes That Keep Families Broke · The Parent Tap

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: What you see on social media isn't always real.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: It isn't always the full picture, right?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Comparison is the thief of joy.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: So you started in finance in 2008, right as the crash happened.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: So our generation is now raising kids while carrying the financial trauma from that era.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_01: Kari, we are skipping the generic budgeting advice.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: High earning parents bleed cash because they are simply too exhausted to track it.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: What is the single biggest exhaustion tax dual uh draining dual income households right now?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: And what is the exact 10-minute weekly system to stop it?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the question, Ryan.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, before I get into it, I'm just gonna go with a quick note that what I'm sharing today is for general educational purposes only.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not personalized financial advice, and listeners should consult their own advisor for their specific situation.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now that I got that out of the way, I'm gonna tell you what my husband and I do.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now, take into consideration that I live and breathe finances all day, but he and I spend about 15 minutes on a weekly basis, and I know you said 10, but add an extra five in there to just go over the general state of our finances.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_00: What are we saving for?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what are any upcoming expenses?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: And kind of just what's an overview of what's going on with our family financially.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_00: We even involve our kids, and that just provides that much more transparency and helps them out to understand maybe some of the sacrifices we're making.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, for instance, we were recently saving for a family vacation, and we frequent um the same pizza joint on Tuesdays, and so we told our kids, hey, we're probably not gonna be going out to this place on Tuesdays because we're saving for this family vacation.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: And then we talked about saving and the vacation and how much fun it's gonna be.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, I don't think our kids even missed that we were going to the pizza place because they were so focused on, hey, we're saving money for this vacation.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: So just having that overview of financially what's going on puts my husband and I in the same spot.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it also is helpful to involve our kids in the conversation.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love that answer.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, that's something I can implement at home with my four-year-old who wants to go to the mall every day, get a toy, this and that.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: And if I could use that advice for her, you know, kind of bring it down to her level and be like, well, if you get a toy every day, we can't go on our you know, yearly vacation to Disneyland and do all the things we want to do.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: We have to save some of that money for you know, some of the vacations and some of the experiences we want to have as a family, rather than just the clutter of toys that inevitably will just sit around the house.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: I swear we we look like we haven't cleaned our house ever because we have two toddlers.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I totally get that advice.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, even starting as young as you know, you your your youngest is five.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so you can start, you know, even at that toddler stage, you know, starting with the school age uh stage all the way up till the teen years, and I'm sure even above or beyond that to the adulthood.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would I would encourage you to be as transparent with your finances with your kids, again, to an age-appropriate level, but bringing them into things is really helpful.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: It helps them understand things.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: And like you said, I know it's with my kids, you know, when they get a new toy, what we do is we say, okay, if you get a new toy, you have to donate one of your toys.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because I ran into that trap too, where every room is a playroom and there's nowhere to walk.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so what we've done is we have just said, hey, if you're gonna purchase something new, and you know, before we go to the store, Target or whatever, we always say, you know, are you gonna spend your own money?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Is today a toy day?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to look at the toy and add it to a wish list?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because I have my kids create a wish list for what they're saving for too.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: That delayed gratification is very helpful for kids.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so we have an understanding so they know when we go to the store what it looks like and what the experience is gonna be.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then having that money that is they've saved for or they've used for, they can you then choose to buy a toy if it is one of those trips, but then they know that they have to go home or beforehand we've done it where we've cleaned up a toy and got it ready to donate to someone else.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: I love that approach, and then that kind of readies the your kids for hey, we're going to donate something.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, you know, one-to-one exchange.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that way your house doesn't end overly cluttered like mine right now.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's insane.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but also, like you said, it's a delayed gratification.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's teaching our kids you gotta kinda earn it in a sense and give something away to get something.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm gonna I'm gonna start implementing that.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, that's genius, and that's it it feels like it kills eight birds with one stone.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: And honestly, the kids love it.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_00: If you talk about, you know, hey, this is what it's going to, maybe a family that um, you know, right now toys aren't in their budget, or this is going to someone who doesn't have as much as you, or this is going for this, they feel really good about it and they feel empowered to be doing good on their own.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, love that.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: So you started in finance uh in 2008, right as the crash happened.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So our generation is now raising kids while carrying the financial trauma from that era.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, what is the number one way millennial parents are projecting their own financial anxiety onto their kids without even realizing it?
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I think there's so much shame in finance.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think this goes with, you know, any at any age really, but certainly as a millennial, I can relate to this.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we lived through some of the things, and I think every decade there's been something that's hit us.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: We're also, you know, we just started out with social media.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so we're seeing everything that everybody else has, right?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's trying to keep up with the Joneses.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one thing that's really hard for this generation.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think understanding that what you see on social media isn't always real, it isn't always the full picture, right?
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Comparison is the thief of joy, and so it may be if you're comparing your life to someone else and it appears as if they're going all these on all these great vacations and they have all this stuff, maybe they're actually drowning in credit card debt.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you don't know what their situation is.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you look out there, you're always gonna be able to find somebody who has it better than you and somebody who has it worse than you.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just trying to be grateful for the things that you have and then aligning your financial goals with your values.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So really figuring out what your financial goals are and aligning that and then putting a spending plan, saving and spending, I should say, plan into place to follow those financial goals.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, Kari, when looking down the barrel of massive monthly daycare cost, it's common for one parent to consider pausing their career.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know my wife has we've we've had this conversation before because we spent over 20 grand on daycare last year, just daycare alone.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: That that doesn't include supplies and like you know after hour stuff and all the you know uh auto fees that are kind of thrown in there.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so what is the invisible mathematical trap they fall into when making that decision?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, what long-term operational metrics are they forgetting to calculate?
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, give us the whole picture of that making that decision.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, kids are so expensive.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's a lot to think about and to consider when one parent is deciding to stay home, right?
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you are choosing to take a step back from your career, you may be missing out on climbing that ladder on getting those promotions.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Outside of that, you know, maybe it is something that isn't mentally stimulating for you, right?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so it is hard then to re-enter the job force.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it might make it more difficult, and you might be resentful of your time at home.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you might absolutely love it too, but that is a situation that is different for every family and should be discussed.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: And it should be certainly about finances, but that shouldn't be the primary reason that somebody chooses to stay home.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's it's easy to make those um, you know, those uh Monday morning quarterback decisions, you know what I mean?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like to make those like rapid fire snap judgments and decisions and not really have all the facts of like, oh my god, I just spent 30 grand on daycare last year.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm only making, you know, let's say I was a teacher in the past, so we made like 40 grand in that scenario.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, I don't think it would be worth, you know what I mean, working and then paying, you know, daycare or sitter or whatever, because it's like we're basically evened out, at least on paper.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I I but I know that there's more into it.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like you said, it's harder to kind of restart your career, climb the ladder.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you have those breaks on your resume, I know from a personal experience, it's hard to kind of get your foot back in the door in the industry.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: It is.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much that's changed.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, honestly, today a lot about you know, finding a job is who you know and not necessarily just putting in a resume, right?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: So AI's reading the resumes and maybe just looking for specific keywords.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't have those in there, it might automatically get thrown out.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, you could be discriminated again because of the gaps in your resume.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: So it's things to consider when making that decision.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, certainly money comes into play, but it should be a conversation that is more about what's best for the family and everyone involved.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Totally, totally.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what's best for the kids, what's best for the family.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um generally, yeah.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can't really go wrong there.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that advice.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for that.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do some lightning round rapid fire questions if that's been with you.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: True or false, just like first thing off your head.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I might ask you to elaborate, I might not.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: If anything, if you say anything like that's surprising, maybe we'll see.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: These are made to trick you, by the way.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: All right, true or false.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: Paying off your mortgage early is actually a mistake for a young family.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think um mortgage is or that's good debt, right?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think all debt is created equal.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: High interest credit cards, I would encourage you to pay those off right away.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, mortgage debt, again, you might refinance if your rate is high, but not always a good thing to pay it off early.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's that's such a misconception, I think, from my my parents' um generation, because they'll want to tell you the sooner, like the well, they always tell me anyways, the sooner you pay it off, the the you know what I mean?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't have that hanging over your head.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, I remember them counting down the days and the year, whatever.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like they they had their own little countdown to when their house was paid off.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And like, you're so true though.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's so many other things that have such higher interest than your mortgage.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, good debt sometimes is is not a bad thing.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's a great, I think that's a great, like definitely a misconception from the the old generation to the new generation in terms of just like because I know mortgages back in the day were just viewed completely different, just from my parents' lens of like, oh, six percent's not that bad, you know what I mean?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: And like I paid 11, or you know, it's just like things are things changed since then, you know, houses are not fifty thousand dollars anymore.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I don't think people can pay off mortgages as quickly, maybe as they used to, when when the the monthly, you know, the monthly um balance is much, much higher than it used to be.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: I always tell my clients interest rates aren't like tattoos, they're not forever, right?
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I know tattoos can be removed, uh, but you always have the opportunity to refinance, right?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry to talk over you.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, I just read a Pete Davidson article, and I'm like, oh, yeah, tattoos can be removed.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um he has like no tattoos now.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Next question.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Giving your kids an allowance tied to chores is a broken system.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, I disagree with that.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: I do that.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it sets your kids up for how the real world works.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, working is not dissimilar to that, right?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: So my kids have their baseline chores that they're just required to do.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then they have additional chores they can do to earn money, right?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't get any money for their baseline chores.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's just part of being a member of our household.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: But if they want to go above and beyond, then yes, they can earn some money to put into their accounts that they can choose to then spend how they want.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: Love that.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: What's an above and beyond chore that would earn extra money?
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, honestly, I went and I Googled age-appropriate chores and then I kind of leveled it up a little bit.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: So um folding laundry, um, taking out the garbage, things like that.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've even had my daughter take our dog for a little walk where I could see her.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: But different things like that would be maybe leveling up chores, keeping the room clean, cleaning up their toys, general things like that, helping out with clearing the table, uh to and from dinner.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Those things are just requirements.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's if they want to go above and beyond.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much crossover and the, you know, your expertise uh with financial planning, but also being a mom and having having kids and how to set up your household with the systems.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm gonna go back to this tape, honestly, and like steal that the two things I've given so far on on the donations on the chores, because it's like I I do struggle in those areas of like my kids, you know, like I don't want to like put too much on them, or you know what I mean?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, but I don't know.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's well, I think everybody does.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: I do too, but I think about this a lot, and I'm really trying to raise financially responsible kids.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think just as a society, we don't set people up for success in the world of finance.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm I'm really trying to make a difference here and trying to change that.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so as much as I can talk to, you know, my clients that are parents or my kids, or just spread the word and be open and honest with again, and I don't have all the answers, and what's right for my family might not be right for every family.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm really trying to be intentional about our money habits.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's definitely something to consider.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: I think all families could at least do an examination of their spending habits, an examination of their household systems, all that, and just see like how you can get more efficient, how you can get more, you know, how you can get better.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: I know 2026 is not like new anymore, but how how you can get better um, you know, anytime.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: You don't really have to wait for a new year.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's like so you do not such a TV thing, right?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, you know, car dealerships like, don't, you know, now it's 2026, buy your car or whatever.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like all the commercials are like, yeah, wait till the new year to start the gym.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, right, you can start anytime, right?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love today is a new day, right?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Every day is a new day and a new opportunity.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: And any day is a good day to do goal setting.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think it's a great practice to put into place and then just review those goals weekly, monthly, quarterly, uh, whatever works for your situation.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, keep everyone accountable, keep yourself accountable.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think that that's one thing I need is that accountability piece on my own because I'm I'm bad.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you're you're you're very much helping me because I'm not probably I'm probably someone that needs your services sometimes.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: So appreciate you coming on.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: So another true or false, high income parents are actually worse at managing cash flow than middle than middle income parents.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: This is so true.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And this isn't always true, right?
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's dependent on the situation, but usually what happens is not usually, sometimes what happens, if you don't have good money experience, or if you're not good with money when you're not making any money, you're not gonna be good with money when you're making a lot of money.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So, yes, you can make more money.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: And does that help the situation?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Probably to a certain degree, but you might just be outspending yourself just at a different tax bracket.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I see a lot of situations where there are people that make very high incomes and just really haven't saved.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: But people that maybe have to think about it and be more intentional about it have built in those good habits.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's gonna make them successful in the long term.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: So true.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes like it's maybe as simple as you spend, you make more, you spend more, right?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's very true.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've noticed that too with my own spending habits as I've you know leveled up over the years, starting as a teacher and you know, being at where I'm at now, you know, the salaries are very different, but I spend a lot more.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's not, it doesn't, it fails in comparison.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's okay, right?
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: To a certain degree, it's okay as long as you are putting away money for your retirement and maybe you know, for your other financial goals if you're choosing to save for your kids college or those things.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Again, having a nice life lifestyle isn't something you should feel guilty about as long as you're doing it in a way that is thoughtful and intentional and setting yourself up for success.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, love that.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm gonna drop two bombshells on you right here.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Whole life insurance is a scam for 90% of working parents.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I would tend to agree with that statement.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Whole life insurance can be good for the right person in the right situation, um, but it is not a catch-all that's good for everybody.
• 17:33
  unknown: Okay.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know I've heard the debate on that one.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just curious to see what you said.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: And this is another one where I'm like, I could definitely see in the comments and some people forward against it.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: So adding your 10-year-old or your child, I perhaps perhaps, right, as an authorized user on your credit card is the smartest parenting hack of the decade.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm gonna go back and forth on this.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: So uh I think credit cards when there's, you know, not unlimited spending, but a higher amount of spending might not be the best thing.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I know you're starting to maybe consider, you know, getting your kid credit and building them in.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what I've done for my kids, and again, take it for what it's worth, but my kids have debit cards, right?
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And they have their own money in their debit cards, and they've gotten this money from, you know, grandparents or from birthdays or from those extra chores I mentioned.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: They have a finite amount of money in there that they know that they can spend.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I also have it bucketed out for them where we have spend, save, and gift.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: So spend they can use to spend on things they choose, save.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: We've created a wish list of things that they want.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: So my son, for instance, is saving right now for a Lego train, which those are expensive.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: So he knows it's gonna take him a while to get to, but he still might want to buy candy here and there.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then the giving, right?
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: So we pick a cause that we feel good about for each kid, and then they're able to give that money towards that cause.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: I think having those three kind of distinct buckets for them really helps them understand and understand how money works.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, you're making my parents, and I a lot of this is me just throwing my parents under the bus because like I wasn't raised with this concept.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I remember getting into credit card debt very early in my life in college, and I just I had no idea how to balance a check.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: I know checkbooks are so outdated now, but you know what I mean?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Balance a budget, balance a budget, go through all this and really like, you know, my spending was all like on clothes and vanity stuff when I was a teenager because I just had no concept of like, oh, I need to put things away.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, when you went turning 50 when you're 18 or whatever, is like, oh, that'll never come.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm never gonna get old.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like the the the thought process of a teenager is just so different.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: At least mine was.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought, if I live to 30, that's a long time.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: And now it's like I'm nearing 40.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, 40's not old, you know, like no, and I again, like I said, I don't think as a society we do a good job of setting people up for success, especially with student loans and the cost of college, you know, predatory credit card companies going in and trying to get, you know, kids signed up in colleges and then charging 30%.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: And again, the generation that sees what everybody else is doing.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not alone in that.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think everybody out there has been in a situation where they're like, oh shoot, how do I get myself out of this?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so it really is just finding maybe somebody or some specific advice.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can read books, you can find a financial professional, but finding something that really speaks to you to help you get through those things.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And there's different advice out there that works differently for different people too.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I could see how it's not a one, you know, one brushstroke applies to everyone approach, but it is good um general advice.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I think people can dig deeper into their certain specifics with you, right?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, where can people find more of your work?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Where can they find you on the internet?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, what are you up to in your life?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to say your last name?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because I probably can't do it for the cold open.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no problem.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: So it's Kari Pilashik.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: I have my own firm.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's Adaptive Financial Design.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's meant to meet people where they're at financially, and it's a personalized holistic financial approach.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: So um, if you want to find me, I'm at www.adaptivefinancial design.com.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I am also on Instagram at Adaptive Financial Design.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's, I guess, primarily it.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I love to meet people, I love to hear their stories.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: I got into finance because I was good at math and I wanted to help people.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: And for me, the best part is really hearing the success stories and the empowerment that comes when people really put two and two together and get control of their finances.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hari, thank you so so much for your time today.