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Todd Kohlhepp – The Amazon Review Killer · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: How dangerous could a fifteen year old boy be? What
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Speaker 1: if a fifteen year old boy sexually assaulted his neighbor
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Speaker 1: at gunpoint, because as an adult, he would go on
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Speaker 1: to commit a mass murder and get away with it.
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Speaker 1: Not only that, but the double life he'd lead would
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Speaker 1: have him a realator by day and kidnapper by night.
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Speaker 1: His victim count was growing, and with something he'd brag about,
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Speaker 1: he felt little to no remorse for his actions, taking
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Speaker 1: to the Internet to review the products he so freely
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Speaker 1: used to commit his acts. Then how dangerous do you
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Speaker 1: think a fifteen year old could be? Good morning the
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Speaker 1: following podcast, and he's graphic content, seminarial, intendant rumature audience listeners.
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Speaker 2: US is at the Hey guys, I'm Nicole and I'm
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Speaker 2: Ben and you are listening to Wicked and Grim.
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Speaker 1: A true crime podcast.
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Speaker 2: Nichole's over here, giggling away because again she forgot her intro.
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Speaker 1: I know, you could literally just compile all of me
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Speaker 1: what do we say again? Like a reel and it
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Speaker 1: would be hilarious because I literally I'm always like what
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Speaker 1: do I say?
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Speaker 2: It'd be like those those reels with Owen Wilson. Wow, Wow, Wow,
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Speaker 2: what do we say? What do we say?
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Speaker 1: We just like utterly confused at every moment of time.
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Speaker 2: And that's that's the sum of our show. Yeah, utter
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Speaker 2: confusion and just flying by the seat of her parents.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why it's the same every week, but
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Speaker 1: it's just I feel like it changes so often, but
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Speaker 1: it does.
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Speaker 2: What are we on now, episode seventy seven? I think, well,
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Speaker 2: I don't even know seventy something.
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Speaker 1: You're asking me that when I don't even know how
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Speaker 1: to do our intro after seventy seven episodes exactly.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly my point. But yeah, you also have
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Speaker 2: a point. That's fair.
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Speaker 1: That is a fair point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so welcome to the podcast. What's up? How's it going,
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Speaker 2: how's it shaking? Hope you guys have a drink in
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Speaker 2: your hand, whether it be alcoholic or none, Sit down,
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Speaker 2: have a sip.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say mine is now an alcoholic,
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Speaker 1: but then I always screw that up because I put
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Speaker 1: Carolins in my hot chocolate.
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Speaker 2: So Carolins is so delicious.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's got booze in there.
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Speaker 2: It's got booze in there. The story of my life,
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Speaker 2: I've got booze in me.
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Speaker 1: But We've had a good week. We've had some decent days.
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Speaker 1: The weather is finally like spring like here.
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Speaker 2: I feel like, Yeah, we're actually getting leaves in the
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Speaker 2: trees now, so exciting. But mosquitoes are coming, so that sucks.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, we've been spending a lot of time outside
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Speaker 1: the dog oes and just enjoying it. Before I guess
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Speaker 1: we go out there and just get eaten alive.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we actually have a photo shoot coming up
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Speaker 2: with the dogs too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's so exciting.
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Speaker 2: You guys will get to see some pictures of the
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Speaker 2: pupper Dues and the dog around.
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Speaker 1: We got a figure we're gonna wear. Let's do that tonight.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go shopping, probably clothes.
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Speaker 1: Oh I was thinking nude.
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Speaker 2: Nude. Yeah, we could do that if you want.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, why not live it up?
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Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're in the best shape of our fucking
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Speaker 1: lives right now.
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Speaker 2: My body shape right now is plato Okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually that just was comical because we both are
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Speaker 1: not and we we're trying though, we're making small life changes.
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Speaker 2: I've got a solid COVID body right now, let's put
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Speaker 2: it that way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know we have that excuse anymore.
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Speaker 2: We gotta yeah go in here to sche We should
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Speaker 2: move on though, away from you know, talking negative about ourselves, absolutely,
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Speaker 2: and we should be a little more positive over here
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Speaker 2: on Patreon because we had a crap time. You guys
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Speaker 2: join us over there.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it was so exciting.
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Speaker 2: It's incredible how many people are joining us, and you
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Speaker 2: guys seed to be having fun over there. So thank you,
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Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, thank you, And specifically to those
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Speaker 2: who joined us this week. I'm not gonna hand it
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Speaker 2: over to Nicole because she always hates it when I
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Speaker 2: do that, so it'll be me tell her again.
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Speaker 1: I don't even have it ready, right.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've got the list right here if you want it.
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Speaker 2: Do you want it?
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Speaker 1: No? I haven't even looked at them, so you go ahead.
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Speaker 2: That's what I thought.
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Speaker 1: You go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Well you've looked at it. You just haven't reviewed how
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Speaker 2: to say the name.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I didn't practice. There you go.
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Speaker 2: So first off, we got des Catherine who joined us.
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Speaker 2: We have Andrea Padovic. I really hope I said your
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Speaker 2: name right. She even sent us a message on how
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Speaker 2: to pronunciate her name. She even went like phonetically on it.
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Speaker 1: Now, I know it was like awesome, So I hope
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Speaker 1: we didn't screw that up.
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Speaker 2: Zero excuses if I messed that up. Sorry. We have
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Speaker 2: Lulia test Fay gorgeous name, Don Johnson, Ronnie. I really
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Speaker 2: hope I said that right too, r O Ni I
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Speaker 2: nickname or not. Mm hm, so's it's hard hard to
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Speaker 2: read that One's still awesome. Oh yeah, definitely, don't get
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Speaker 2: me wrong. We also have Robin Wedding, Desiree Hurry and
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Speaker 2: Darion schank Willer. Wow, thank you all for joining us
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Speaker 2: over on Patreon and being so fucking wicked.
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Speaker 1: Those sound like some awesome people.
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Speaker 2: They certainly are, and we do have.
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Speaker 1: Like fun over there. We just did. I actually did
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Speaker 1: the episode hint on Patreon this time. Yeah, and I
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Speaker 1: was like first person I guessed it. It was like
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Speaker 1: a pretty easy hint. I was pretty nice, Yeah you were,
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Speaker 1: But I was the first person that gets will mail
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Speaker 1: them a pair of Jacko socks.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so they get a piece of merch. But
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Speaker 2: because in twenty seconds they were able to guess it.
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Speaker 1: So boom Echo is amazing and she's getting some Jacko socks. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so pretty pumped about that.
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Speaker 2: Easy Peasa and Lemon squeezy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well should we move on to the episode though.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, without further ado or what here?
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Speaker 2: Yeap? You dropped it on Amazon? What it was?
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Speaker 1: Now? Tell us on Amazon?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, you dropped it on Patreon? What it was?
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Speaker 2: I think I just gave us the hint, So tell
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Speaker 2: us what the case is?
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Speaker 1: Oh my word? So it's Todd colehep, which is the
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Speaker 1: Amazon review killer.
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Speaker 2: And that's why I said Amazon on Amazon?
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Speaker 1: Yah, yeah, we dropped on We're on Amazon.
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Speaker 2: Now, actually are in Amazon with audible and podcasts and everything.
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Speaker 2: So oh shit, really yeah, you can listen to us there.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I was like, what are we telling him?
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Speaker 1: I was so confused.
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Speaker 2: Now you can find her podcast as like as our.
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Speaker 1: Merge on Amazon. That doesn't make any sense, but it's.
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Speaker 2: Not Amazon podcasts. You can find us, okay, okay. So.
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Speaker 1: Todd was born on March seventh, nineteen seventy one, in Florida.
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Speaker 1: He was raised in South Carolina and Georgia. Though Todd's
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Speaker 1: parents would divorce when he was little baby two years old,
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Speaker 1: with his mother getting custody, she would marry another man
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Speaker 1: the following year, and it was later reported that Todd
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Speaker 1: didn't have the most healthy of relationships with his new
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Speaker 1: father figure.
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Speaker 2: Well, dang, that's very tough. Yeah, no kidding, it seems
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Speaker 2: I hate it when kids just don't have that relationship
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Speaker 2: with their their parental figures or anything of any sort.
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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes, of course, it's not to anyone's fault,
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Speaker 2: but it seems far too often that it is just
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Speaker 2: neglecting that relationship.
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Speaker 1: Well, and it's especially more often with people like who
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Speaker 1: were about to talk to about here. He'd often ask
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Speaker 1: to go live with his biological father, who was pretty
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Speaker 1: much nonexistent in his life since the divorce with his
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Speaker 1: mom though, But you know, the grass is always greener
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the fence scenario, I think
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Speaker 1: so by him always wanting to go there, he thought
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Speaker 1: it would just be a better life.
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Speaker 2: For him, right, Yeah, fair enough.
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Speaker 1: Todd was described as a troublesome child. He was known
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Speaker 1: to show aggressive, aggressive aggression.
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Speaker 2: Aggression, aggression. There you go, nailed it towards.
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Speaker 1: Other children, often destroying their property. Yeah, and I like
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Speaker 1: when I read that, I just like pictured this little
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Speaker 1: boy bully that was like ripping up his classmate's artwork
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Speaker 1: or something. You know, Like, that's just like what I pictured.
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Speaker 2: I picked. There's an episode of Family Guy where some
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Speaker 2: kid is like stealing toys from Stewie and like the
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Speaker 2: sandbox and stuff, and then Stewie just like literally kills
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Speaker 2: this kid.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's Family Guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's true.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember what he does. I remember the kid
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Speaker 2: choking on something or something. A y gets revenge on him.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of funny.
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Speaker 1: Whoa. So he was also dismissed from boy Scouts because
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Speaker 1: he was too disruptive, just like next level. I feel
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Speaker 1: like that's next level. I feel like it'd be hard
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Speaker 1: to be dismissed from boys or boy Yeah, boy Scouts.
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Speaker 1: But I have no idea, I have no idea.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was never in a Scouts thing of any
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Speaker 2: sort as a kid, so I'm not certain either.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, when Todd was only nine, he under he
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Speaker 1: started undergoing counseling. Along with being a troublesome child. He
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Speaker 1: was described as very explosive and preoccupied with sexual content.
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Speaker 1: Age nine. I feel like that's a little young, right,
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Speaker 1: that's a little young.
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Speaker 2: That's a little young. I mean, for sure, everyone has curiosities,
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Speaker 2: especially I mean, little boys definitely have curiosities. I'm not
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Speaker 2: so certain but little girls. But I was a little
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Speaker 2: boy once, and the curiosities are definitely there. But I
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Speaker 2: mean to what extent That's a whole other question.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. But also, well, I say, nowadays,
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Speaker 1: I feel like kids are growing up a lot quicker.
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Speaker 1: But that was a little while ago, so I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Nine just seems a little young, Yeah, it does. He
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Speaker 1: was also displaying cruelty to animals. Fuck this guy, which
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Speaker 1: you know we all absolutely hate.
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Speaker 2: It is definitely an early sign.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm basically just describinging like a little serial
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Speaker 1: killer right in the making. Is pretty much what I'm
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Speaker 1: doing right now.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: The reported animal cruelty was shooting a dog with a
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Speaker 1: BB gun, which like, isn't the worst I've ever heard,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think that would like kill the dog, right.
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Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, depending on the power
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Speaker 2: of the BB gun that bebe could.
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Speaker 1: How many you did, and yeah, but.
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Speaker 2: The bbe could potentially sink in the fur and cause
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Speaker 2: an infection. But chances are with a BB gun it
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Speaker 2: have to be a really strong be begun to do that.
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Speaker 2: It's just a dick move.
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Speaker 1: Well, and this is even more of a dick move.
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Speaker 1: He also killed a goldfish by pouring bleach in its tank. Geez, Louise,
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Speaker 1: that one's like a little a bit more drastic in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, no kidding, but we have heard of much
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Speaker 1: worse when it comes to oh yeah, cruelty. But he's
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Speaker 1: still doing something here.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty three, Todd would get his wish of
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Speaker 1: going to live with his biological father, who was living
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Speaker 1: in Arizona. It was his It was from his whoa
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Speaker 1: where am I here? Oh? Yeah, here, I am sorry.
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Speaker 1: He was from his father that Todd allegedly inherited his
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Speaker 1: hobby of collecting weapons and was taught how to blow
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Speaker 1: things up and make bombs.
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Speaker 2: Huh okay.
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Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily blame the father for that, because
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Speaker 1: it wasn't like it wasn't like Todd was a little
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Speaker 1: cupcake when he went to go live with his father, right,
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Speaker 1: And he had probably already had an interest in that
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Speaker 1: sort of thing, and it was just his father's way
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Speaker 1: of maybe trying to connect with him.
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Speaker 2: Right yeah, not realizing the extent of like the damage
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Speaker 2: he could potentially be doing exactly. Yeah, it was just
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Speaker 2: a way to connect, so he went with it. I
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Speaker 2: mean that's fair, that's a fair argument.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, that's just kind of how I
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Speaker 1: grasped things, But who knows. Despite this common interest, their
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Speaker 1: relationship would deteriorate during the time Todd was there due
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Speaker 1: to his father not being all that present with his son.
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Speaker 1: So the grass wasn't greener, folks. He owned a restaurant,
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Speaker 1: and when he wasn't there, he was often outspending time
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Speaker 1: with his girlfriend at the time. Todd would say he
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Speaker 1: wanted to return home to live with his mother, but
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Speaker 1: that was often delayed due to excuses his mother would make,
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Speaker 1: which is kind of sad because I mean he was
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Speaker 1: kind of a character. But it would also hurt regardless, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: both your parents not really wanting you to be super
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Speaker 1: present in their life.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have responsibilities as a parent, and
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Speaker 2: I mean doing that sort of stuff your kids see it.
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Speaker 2: Your kids definitely see it.
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Speaker 1: Like you.
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Speaker 2: I've seen reels before of like a little like on
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Speaker 2: Instagram of these like five year old kids at Christmas
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Speaker 2: concerts and stuff, and they're looking out the audience.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 2: And when they see their parents, they just fucking light up. Right,
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Speaker 2: So imagine if they're looking for their parents and the
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Speaker 2: parents isn't there, Yeah, they're gonna be crushed. They don't
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Speaker 2: forget that shit.
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Speaker 1: They don't. Actually, Oh my gosh, that is so true.
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Speaker 1: You always see like the kids literally they look, they look,
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Speaker 1: and if you're not there, they know, and yeah, that
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Speaker 1: does not leave them at all. So in nineteen eighty six,
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Speaker 1: while still in Arizona, Todd's dark side would show its
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Speaker 1: true colors. Here we go, folks, let's do it. On
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Speaker 1: November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six, fifteen year old Todd
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Speaker 1: would kidnap his fourteen year old neighbor, a girl he
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Speaker 1: had a crush on but who didn't share the same feelings.
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Speaker 1: She was watching her younger siblings at the time when
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Speaker 1: Todd came over, threatened her with a point twenty two
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Speaker 1: caliber revolver and insisted that she come back to his
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Speaker 1: home with him. Once there, he tied her up, taped
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Speaker 1: her mouth shut, and raped her. What an ass like
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Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen, Like, oh wow, shit, that just it
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Speaker 1: just makes your sick sickening.
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Speaker 2: Discussing that a fifteen year old would be capable or
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Speaker 2: even have the thoughts to do that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she was literally at home watching her like
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Speaker 1: I think it was six and.
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Speaker 2: Three year old. Wow.
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Speaker 1: When the Nightmare Act was over, he walked his neighbor
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Speaker 1: back home and threatened to kill her little siblings if
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Speaker 1: she told anyone what happened.
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Speaker 2: Did she tell anyone? She did tell?
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Speaker 1: She did good, she told Todd would would, however, later
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Speaker 1: be charged with the crime. He was charged with kidnapping,
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Speaker 1: sexual assault, and committing a dangerous crime against a child.
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Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty seven, he pled guilty to the kidnapping
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Speaker 1: charge so that the other charges would be dropped, which.
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Speaker 2: I just mess your sentence.
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Speaker 1: I don't get that. I don't think that's like right,
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Speaker 1: but whatever, I don't think. I mean it's because then
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Speaker 1: they're guaranteed to get something right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just I don't know that whole thing.
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Speaker 2: I understand it, but I don't have the same same time,
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Speaker 2: the thing that really gets me is how can a
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Speaker 2: lawyer defend that? Yeah, Like a lawyer specifically walked into
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Speaker 2: court and said, we're going to get you a lesser charge.
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Speaker 2: How the fuck can you sleep at night.
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Speaker 1: I know, I think I actually talk about this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have a sentence in here about that later, because
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I have no idea how defense lers
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Speaker 1: can go about defending like absolute scam of the earth.
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Speaker 1: It would be a super hard job. And so is
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Speaker 1: it just because for the money? Like are they just
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Speaker 1: doing it for the money?
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Speaker 2: It's their job yet they I don't know how they
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Speaker 2: disassociate that and how they can defend someone like that.
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Speaker 1: I think that would just be so ridiculously hard.
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Speaker 2: I understand everyone needs a defense. I get that. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but if someone's like, you did these five things, well
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Speaker 2: we'll plead guilty to just one of them, and well
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Speaker 2: we'll pretend the others didn't happen. Fuck no, you did
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Speaker 2: all those things. I'm going to defend you for all
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Speaker 2: these things, and you're going to take responsibility for it,
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Speaker 2: Like like you.
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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I know, I don't think I could be.
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Speaker 1: That could not be a job that I did not do.
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Speaker 2: There's no way I could do it either.
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Speaker 1: So Todd was sentenced to fifteen years in prison and
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Speaker 1: registered as a sex offender.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's actually kind of impressive that.
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Speaker 1: I know, we've had a lot of cases where like, oh,
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Speaker 1: he gets like two.
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Speaker 2: Years and he's a minor. He's fifteen.
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Speaker 1: Well they did, I'm trying, they tried him as an adult.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, see that's pretty impressive.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. So the justice system doesn't always
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Speaker 1: fail us there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, though I think it should be more. But comparatively,
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Speaker 2: that's impressive.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it probably should be more because what
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Speaker 1: I'm i about to say here, the judge in the
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Speaker 1: case said Todd was very bright. He did have a
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Speaker 1: this is what the judge said. This is just a
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Speaker 1: side note. He did have an average IQ of one
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen. So the judge said he was very
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Speaker 1: bright and should be advanced academically, but behaviorally and emotionally,
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Speaker 1: he's dangerous and likely could not be rehabilit rehabilitated. Wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: so that's scary. For that is very someone at that age.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you should be able to
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Speaker 1: be rehabilitated at that age.
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Speaker 2: And for a judge to have that sort of foresight too,
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming it was a couple of years after the
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Speaker 2: incident where he actually would receive his sentencing, So he's
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Speaker 2: probably like seventeen at this time or so. Yeah, but
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Speaker 2: at seventeen after a first incident for a judge to
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Speaker 2: be able to see that and say, yeah, you can't
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Speaker 2: rehabilitate this individual.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the thing is he's so young and he's
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Speaker 1: only getting fifteen years, so he's coming out, Yeah, which
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Speaker 1: is terrifying.
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Speaker 2: That is exactly. It's absolutely terrifying about this individual. And
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Speaker 2: that's impressive on the judges side. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, the judge I think probably did the best
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Speaker 1: they could and like gave them the highest sentence they could,
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Speaker 1: right because they felt that way. Todd's probation officer wrote
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Speaker 1: a similar description in court papers and added that he
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Speaker 1: felt like He added that Todd felt the world owed
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Speaker 1: him something fuck off, which uh. Todd's attorney, however, said
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Speaker 1: he did not believe his client would go on to
18:09
Speaker 1: harm others in the future. And that's where I'm like,
18:12
Speaker 1: whatever helps you sleep a night, buddy, because like that's
18:14
Speaker 1: his job. That's just how you're probably getting through this.
18:17
Speaker 1: I don't know.
18:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's he's got a that's his job to
18:21
Speaker 2: paint his client in the best picture possible, and that's
18:23
Speaker 2: what he has to say, though he knows he's lying
18:25
Speaker 2: through his fucking teeth.
18:27
Speaker 1: Yep. So while in prison, Todd initially showed some violent behavior,
18:34
Speaker 1: but it didn't carry on, and as he hit his twenties,
18:36
Speaker 1: it kind of seemed to stop. While he was in prison, though,
18:40
Speaker 1: he did go about getting himself a bachelor's degree in
18:43
Speaker 1: computer science from the Central Arizona College, which was like,
18:47
Speaker 1: that's like pretty impressive, that is actually, And I was
18:50
Speaker 1: also like curious, who the heck pays for that.
18:53
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's certain programs in facilities like that where
18:57
Speaker 2: the government pays for it, because if you look it
19:00
Speaker 2: in the way of like its rehabilitation. So they're gonna
19:02
Speaker 2: be going back into society, they're going to need jobs
19:04
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I honestly don't have quarrels with the
19:08
Speaker 2: government knowing that.
19:10
Speaker 1: But like the fact that you can get a free
19:12
Speaker 1: degree like that, like, holy crap, that's amazing because that
19:15
Speaker 1: shit's not cheap.
19:16
Speaker 2: No, but also you're locked away for how many years?
19:19
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because you get something bad.
19:20
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, but you know what I'm trying to say.
19:24
Speaker 1: I know what you're trying to say. But it's also like, wow,
19:27
Speaker 1: like a free degree. I could have used that.
19:29
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll go to jail.
19:32
Speaker 1: No. He was released in August of two thousand and
19:36
Speaker 1: one at the age of thirty and moved back to
19:39
Speaker 1: South Carolina, where his mother was living and he seemed
19:43
Speaker 1: like he was determined to make something of himself good.
19:47
Speaker 1: From January two thousand and two to November two thousand
19:51
Speaker 1: and three, Todd worked as a graphic designer for a
19:54
Speaker 1: company in Spartanburg. In two thousand and three, he also
19:58
Speaker 1: began studying at Greenville Technical College, later transferring to the
20:04
Speaker 1: University of South Carolina upstate, obtaining himself another university degree
20:10
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight, this time in business administration marketing. Wow,
20:16
Speaker 1: that's very impressive that it is two degrees I feel
20:18
Speaker 1: like right, But back in two thousand and three, we
20:22
Speaker 1: want to go back here because this would be the
20:27
Speaker 1: year his anger got the best of him once again.
20:30
Speaker 2: No shit.
20:32
Speaker 1: Todd saved up his money to purchase a motorcycle from
20:36
Speaker 1: Superbike Motorsports, not being as experience of a rider, but
20:41
Speaker 1: rather someone who was learning. It was obvious quite early
20:45
Speaker 1: that the bike that Todd had decided to purchase was
20:48
Speaker 1: just too much of a bike for him. Yeah, so
20:52
Speaker 1: he went back to the bike shop to see if
20:54
Speaker 1: he could return this motorcycle. But this request didn't go
20:59
Speaker 1: so well. It's unclear what exactly was said, but it
21:03
Speaker 1: was later reported by Todd's mother that the employees laughed
21:07
Speaker 1: at him and would not allow him to return the bike,
21:11
Speaker 1: embarrassing him for not knowing how to ride properly.
21:18
Speaker 2: There's a couple things there. I mean, of course, you
21:20
Speaker 2: can't just fucking return a.
21:22
Speaker 1: Vehicle he purchased, Like, I mean, we just got a
21:24
Speaker 1: vehicle last year. If I thought it was a piece
21:26
Speaker 1: of shit, I don't think I could just be like,
21:27
Speaker 1: I'm returning this.
21:28
Speaker 2: No, they would buy it back at a discounted price.
21:31
Speaker 2: They could sell it again and you know, get more money. Yeah,
21:34
Speaker 2: that's how vehicle purchases work.
21:37
Speaker 1: But then there is also this thing called customer service.
21:40
Speaker 2: Yes, and you don't fucking laugh at someone. And they
21:44
Speaker 2: shouldn't have sold him a bike that he couldn't have
21:46
Speaker 2: handled to begin with.
21:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's not also their fault either. Technically, I
21:50
Speaker 1: don't think, and we don't technically know for sure what
21:53
Speaker 1: they did. This Tod guy could have rearranged how they
21:57
Speaker 1: treated him, that's true, And maybe he was overly sent
22:00
Speaker 1: or something. Right.
22:02
Speaker 2: It's funny though about this conversation because it was only
22:04
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago. I was down the rabbit hole
22:06
Speaker 2: on YouTube and I just so happened to watch a
22:09
Speaker 2: video of some biker YouTube dude who is going to
22:14
Speaker 2: bike shops undercover because he's like quite a big name
22:17
Speaker 2: in the industry or whatever, Okay, undercover and trying to
22:20
Speaker 2: pretend to be a newbie biker who doesn't know what
22:22
Speaker 2: he's wanting and just trying to buy the strongest, most
22:25
Speaker 2: powerful bike you can okay, and seeing if the shops
22:28
Speaker 2: would sell it to him being a newbie, or if
22:29
Speaker 2: they'd actually be like, no, you need a smaller bike
22:31
Speaker 2: for your own safety.
22:33
Speaker 1: Really, because I'm imagining the more of a bike is
22:36
Speaker 1: like more awesome, more expensive.
22:38
Speaker 2: R Yes, it is. So is it an ethics thing
22:42
Speaker 2: or are they just going to try and make money?
22:44
Speaker 2: And actually, surprisingly most shops were like, yeah, you don't
22:47
Speaker 2: you need a smaller bike, dude.
22:48
Speaker 1: Okay, that's so good because yeah, business, Like I have
22:51
Speaker 1: a business theory as well, and like we actually went
22:53
Speaker 1: through ethics like a lot in that degree. Yeah, because that's.
22:57
Speaker 2: Bad one hundred percent. So if this shop didn't practice
23:02
Speaker 2: those ethics. Yeah, that is really bad on them.
23:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so, But I mean it does not justify
23:10
Speaker 1: what what came to them. A normal person would most
23:13
Speaker 1: likely accept this fate, maybe have written the business and
23:17
Speaker 1: not so hot review, you know, yep. On I was
23:20
Speaker 1: gonna say Amazon, but not on Amazon.
23:22
Speaker 2: Google, Google one star.
23:26
Speaker 1: But because there would be the option to privately sell
23:28
Speaker 1: that bike and use that money to purchase one that
23:31
Speaker 1: was a better fit for them, right.
23:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of take your loss and keep going.
23:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not Todd, but not Todd, but not Todd. Instead,
23:41
Speaker 1: on November sixth, two thousand and three, he went back
23:45
Speaker 1: to Superbike Motor Motorsports and he pretended to browse the
23:49
Speaker 1: bikes until no more customers were present in the shop,
23:53
Speaker 1: and he went about shooting every single employee there at
23:59
Speaker 1: the time.
23:59
Speaker 2: That is so fucked up, Like that's.
24:02
Speaker 1: Like I don't care what the fuck they did, Like
24:05
Speaker 1: that is just never justified.
24:08
Speaker 2: No, they hurt your feelings, so you're gonna kill them all.
24:10
Speaker 2: That is some That is some tiny pepe energy, right,
24:13
Speaker 2: That is nuts. That's little dick energy through and through
24:16
Speaker 2: it is.
24:17
Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong, that's just like you're a piece
24:21
Speaker 1: of shit energy.
24:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
24:24
Speaker 1: So he started in the back killing I don't know why,
24:26
Speaker 1: I'm playing with a coaster about So he started in
24:30
Speaker 1: the back killing Chris Sherbert, who was aged twenty six.
24:33
Speaker 1: First he was the mechanic of the shop. Then he
24:36
Speaker 1: moved on to Beverly Guy, who was the bookkeeper and
24:40
Speaker 1: also mother of the shop owner. She was fifty two
24:43
Speaker 1: years old. Next would be the service manager, Brian Lucas,
24:49
Speaker 1: who was twenty nine years old, and finally the owner himself,
24:53
Speaker 1: Scott Ponder at age thirty. All four died from multiple gunshot. Jeez, like,
25:02
Speaker 1: that's who.
25:04
Speaker 2: That's terrifying.
25:05
Speaker 1: That is absolutely terrifying because they didn't really do that
25:09
Speaker 1: much wrong. So it just like makes me like sweat
25:11
Speaker 1: a little. A customer and friend of the shop was
25:15
Speaker 1: the one to stumble on the mass shooting. He was
25:18
Speaker 1: at one point considered a suspect too. He had called
25:22
Speaker 1: ahead to make sure it was cool to come and visit,
25:25
Speaker 1: and in that time it was a very short period
25:28
Speaker 1: of time of that call and his arrival was when
25:31
Speaker 1: the mass murder took place. Scott's wife, Melissa, was also
25:36
Speaker 1: considered a possible suspect for a time and this is
25:40
Speaker 1: like a wild story, and we'll give you something extratorry
25:46
Speaker 1: about something I honestly didn't even really consider could would happen.
25:51
Speaker 1: So Melissa was called to the police station a few
25:54
Speaker 1: times for questioning, because it's not rare, really that a
25:57
Speaker 1: victim's spouse would be right. Yeah, so at the time
26:00
Speaker 1: of Scott's murder, this is super sad. Melissa was actually pregnant,
26:06
Speaker 1: so leaving like this baby never got to meet his
26:10
Speaker 1: dad right. During one of the visits to the police
26:13
Speaker 1: station after the baby was born, Melissa changed the baby's
26:18
Speaker 1: diaper there, which the police later gathered the diaper and
26:23
Speaker 1: sent to the lab to test DNA, which I'm like,
26:26
Speaker 1: that seems so freaking weird to me. With the DNA
26:29
Speaker 1: coming back that the father was in fact.
26:33
Speaker 2: Not Scott, oh shit.
26:35
Speaker 1: But Brian, who was the service manager at Superbikes.
26:40
Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. Hey.
26:48
Speaker 1: But was it actually like legal for them to take
26:50
Speaker 1: that diaper?
26:51
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's disposed of, especially in their premises.
26:56
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I guess, but I just think that's
26:58
Speaker 1: so wild. I don't know. Anyway, it was thought that
27:01
Speaker 1: the men were victims of some sort of like love
27:05
Speaker 1: triangle gone wrong, right, And I don't know if that
27:09
Speaker 1: means they thought Melissa killed both Scott and Brian, which
27:12
Speaker 1: honestly makes no sense really, or hired someone to commit
27:16
Speaker 1: the act. I'm not sure, but she swore there was
27:20
Speaker 1: no love triangle and that the baby's father was Scott,
27:24
Speaker 1: and she never ever, ever budged from that. The DNA
27:28
Speaker 1: was even retested at one point, and upon her request,
27:33
Speaker 1: still showed that Brian was the father. It wasn't until
27:38
Speaker 1: later that it was figured out the blood found at
27:40
Speaker 1: the crime scene was mislabeled, so Scott and Brian's DNA
27:45
Speaker 1: had mistakenly been switched.
27:47
Speaker 2: Jerry, Jerry, that is crazy.
27:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, So a further test confirmed that Scott was the
27:57
Speaker 1: child's father after all, and Melissa was ruled out as
28:00
Speaker 1: a suspect.
28:01
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that is wild.
28:03
Speaker 1: Holy And I'm I feel so bad for Melissa because
28:07
Speaker 1: like people like her family and like friends were actually
28:10
Speaker 1: starting to like wonder she had just like given births.
28:13
Speaker 1: So she probably hormones going through a body that are
28:16
Speaker 1: so nuts shut. She's trying to take care of this
28:18
Speaker 1: little baby that now doesn't have a father, and this
28:21
Speaker 1: is happening.
28:21
Speaker 2: The scrutiny of your own integrity being questioned, Like wow.
28:25
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Like I feel like she should have to
28:27
Speaker 1: sue someone.
28:28
Speaker 2: No, shit, gosh, I think it was you actually might
28:31
Speaker 2: be able to sue for the defamation, Like because I'm
28:33
Speaker 2: sure that came out in news articles and stuff like that.
28:36
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, because I think what actually.
28:38
Speaker 2: Had happened clearly did if we're reading it.
28:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened was they had at one point tested
28:44
Speaker 1: Beverly and Scott's to DNA because Beverly was like the
28:48
Speaker 1: mom that got killed and it didn't match. So then
28:51
Speaker 1: that's when they like, oh, something's wrong here.
28:54
Speaker 2: Okay, but so bad.
28:57
Speaker 1: Anyway, this case would go unsolved four years, years, years years.
29:03
Speaker 1: It wasn't until Todd got arrested for another crime that
29:07
Speaker 1: he would be caught for the murders of these four individuals.
29:10
Speaker 1: So he got away with us for many years.
29:14
Speaker 2: Fucking dick Weed beat the guy.
29:17
Speaker 1: So now moving on to two thousand and six, Todd
29:19
Speaker 1: would go about getting his real estate license. He allegedly
29:24
Speaker 1: admitted he had a felony conviction when he applied for
29:27
Speaker 1: his real estate license, but he lied in the letter
29:30
Speaker 1: he wrote explaining the charges, saying he argued with his
29:34
Speaker 1: he called her his girlfriend. Police were called. He had
29:39
Speaker 1: a gun and was caught up in a crackdown on
29:42
Speaker 1: gun violence. So like, basically his felony was no big deal,
29:47
Speaker 1: was no big deal, and they granted him the license.
29:51
Speaker 1: What time? Like, how does that even work that someone
29:54
Speaker 1: would believe this person when they have like a record,
29:57
Speaker 1: but that he can talk himself out of it. That
29:59
Speaker 1: that's just.
30:00
Speaker 2: Well, it's one of those things that these people like
30:02
Speaker 2: this who are often serial killers, are master manipulators.
30:05
Speaker 1: Yeah right, they are there, And I mean he's going
30:09
Speaker 1: into a real realtor too. Lots of times those kind
30:12
Speaker 1: of people are like pretty smooth and like SALESMANI kind
30:15
Speaker 1: of right, yeah, salesman, saleswoman. Yeah. He then went on
30:20
Speaker 1: to build a real estate firm which had a dozen
30:23
Speaker 1: plus agents and had been recognized as a top selling
30:27
Speaker 1: agent in the Carolina region. So he was like he
30:31
Speaker 1: was doing good. A client who used Todd to sell
30:34
Speaker 1: his home her home described him as an extremely outgoing
30:38
Speaker 1: and professional individual, but did note that he would often
30:42
Speaker 1: talk about his firearms and some sometimes subtly use sexual
30:47
Speaker 1: Indian Indians. I can't say that Indiendo's innuendos indiandos just
30:55
Speaker 1: kidding smooth. Yeah. During their conversation, so like he was
30:59
Speaker 1: like good, but he was also like weird. That's just weird.
31:03
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be okay with that as a realtor. Like,
31:06
Speaker 1: if I was had this.
31:08
Speaker 2: Realtor, I'm gonna continue on with my small pp energy. Honestly,
31:14
Speaker 2: I think, oh, it just gets worse, dude. Yeah.
31:18
Speaker 1: However, a woman who assisted one of Todd's employees would
31:23
Speaker 1: describe him as angry and condescending towards his partner. He
31:29
Speaker 1: apparently would also watch porn at work, which is really disturbing.
31:35
Speaker 2: I don't want to know what the underside of his
31:36
Speaker 2: desk looked like.
31:37
Speaker 1: Oh bend Oh sorry, ew.
31:44
Speaker 2: I just said I don't want to know.
31:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that made me visualized shit, but I don't
31:51
Speaker 1: like that. Sorry, Oh, where are we okay? He goes
31:56
Speaker 1: to stand up his pants during During this time, he
32:00
Speaker 1: also acquired We're moving on a private pilot license and
32:06
Speaker 1: several properties, including a nearly one hundred acre piece of
32:10
Speaker 1: land in May of twenty fourteen.
32:13
Speaker 2: Nice piece of property.
32:14
Speaker 1: This was located near the community of more So. He
32:17
Speaker 1: purchased the land for just over three hundred thousand. So
32:20
Speaker 1: even though this dude, this dude was a registered sex
32:23
Speaker 1: offender mass murderer, he was basically like thriving and living
32:27
Speaker 1: his best fucking life, which was so irritating, so irritating
32:31
Speaker 1: to me.
32:32
Speaker 2: And I don't understand, Like I understand that they're they're
32:36
Speaker 2: smooth talkers, they're slick, they slipped through the cracks, But
32:39
Speaker 2: how it just keeps happening. It's like case after case
32:42
Speaker 2: after case. It fucking bothers me so much because there's
32:45
Speaker 2: only so many people out there who are like this,
32:48
Speaker 2: who are doing those things, but it seems like such
32:51
Speaker 2: a high percentage of them fucking get away with it
32:53
Speaker 2: for a long time.
32:54
Speaker 1: No, yeah, just constantly. I mean I kind of wish
32:58
Speaker 1: in a sense, not that I had like serial killer traits,
33:01
Speaker 1: but just like the smooth talker, like yeah, like awesome
33:05
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah that wasn't smooth, Yeah, I know,
33:08
Speaker 1: because I don't have it. I wish I did. I
33:10
Speaker 1: wish I had a little bit of that, just a
33:12
Speaker 1: little bit, just a little bit, not like the arrogance
33:15
Speaker 1: part of it, gotcha fair enough, Okay, So this would
33:18
Speaker 1: soon catch up to him, and the sinister plans he
33:21
Speaker 1: had for this newly acquired one hundred acre property, a
33:26
Speaker 1: property that he would spend an additional eighty thousand dollars
33:31
Speaker 1: to have fenced. Wow, but what was it that he
33:35
Speaker 1: was wanting to hide?
33:37
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who the thock knows, but I'm sure your boats
33:40
Speaker 2: tell us well.
33:41
Speaker 1: Fast forward to November third, twenty sixteen. Authorities were at
33:45
Speaker 1: Todd's one hundred acre property with a search warrant. They
33:50
Speaker 1: were also at Todd's home with the search warn't, making
33:53
Speaker 1: sure they were covering their bases and not allowing Todd
33:56
Speaker 1: to get away with any more of his nonsense.
33:59
Speaker 2: Good.
34:00
Speaker 1: They were investigating and searching for a missing couple, Kayla
34:04
Speaker 1: Brown and Charles David Carver, who were reported missing by
34:09
Speaker 1: Charles's mom on September third. They were led to Todd's property.
34:15
Speaker 2: Oh shit, what did he do now?
34:18
Speaker 1: The last time the couple had been in contact with
34:20
Speaker 1: anyone was on August thirty first, when Kayla sent a
34:24
Speaker 1: text to a friend early in the morning asking if
34:27
Speaker 1: they were awake. When the friend responded several hours later,
34:32
Speaker 1: they never heard back from Kayla. On September fifth, after
34:36
Speaker 1: Kayla's friend had reported the couple as missing. The police
34:40
Speaker 1: went to check Kayla's apartment, where they came across her dog,
34:45
Speaker 1: who had been left alone in the apartment without food.
34:49
Speaker 1: So if that is not a red flag, that shit's gone.
34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, because as we know, people do not just
34:55
Speaker 2: leave their fucking dogs unattended.
34:58
Speaker 1: No. Oh, that it's almost like just breaks my he heart,
35:00
Speaker 1: no kidding, oh my gosh. Like, yeah, if someone comes
35:03
Speaker 1: here and these dogs have been like peeing and doing
35:05
Speaker 1: whatever and have no food, like.
35:08
Speaker 2: We dead, we need help.
35:11
Speaker 1: So then in September and early October, strange posts were
35:16
Speaker 1: being made to Charles's Facebook posts indicating that the couple
35:20
Speaker 1: just got married and that they were fine.
35:24
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's that's that's shady as fuck.
35:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like super weird.
35:28
Speaker 2: So they're missing, their dog is starving, and his Facebook
35:32
Speaker 2: post says, oh we're fine.
35:34
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. The posts made the families of the missing
35:38
Speaker 1: couple even more on edge as they appeared to be
35:41
Speaker 1: fake and so random, considering no one was able to
35:44
Speaker 1: reach the couple, like that would just be so I'm
35:47
Speaker 1: sure that's so out of character. Right.
35:48
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Plus, I mean who uses Facebook anymore? No,
35:53
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, I do. I know. I so.
35:58
Speaker 1: Once Cala's last now cell phone single was determined to
36:02
Speaker 1: be on Todd's property, the Spartanburg Sheriff Office investigators went
36:08
Speaker 1: there and to Todd's residence on November three. It was
36:12
Speaker 1: on his property that they heard a banging noise coming
36:17
Speaker 1: from inside a metal shipping container. That must just be
36:22
Speaker 1: so eerie, Like I couldn't imagine the adrenaline going on
36:26
Speaker 1: with Oh. So the shipping container was locked up tight
36:30
Speaker 1: with numerous locks, but once investigators got the got removed
36:37
Speaker 1: the locks and entered, they found Kayla at the very
36:40
Speaker 1: rear of the dark container. She was chained up like
36:45
Speaker 1: a dog with a chain around her neck and a
36:48
Speaker 1: cuff around her ankle.
36:50
Speaker 2: Fuck girl, I.
36:52
Speaker 1: Know, like there's okay, this is actually really disturbing. But
36:55
Speaker 1: there's actually like a video out of her them coming
37:00
Speaker 1: in there and like her being on it was dog
37:04
Speaker 1: beds actually that she was on. But I'm just like,
37:06
Speaker 1: I feel like that shouldn't be out there.
37:09
Speaker 2: I yeah, I think so, And I think I've seen.
37:12
Speaker 1: Like that's getting rescued, like that's private.
37:15
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, But like I said, I think
37:17
Speaker 2: I've seen a documentary on this case. I can't remember
37:19
Speaker 2: a fucking single detail, but I do remember someone being
37:22
Speaker 2: rescued from a shipping container and seeing that footage, and yeah,
37:27
Speaker 2: it's just heartbreaking.
37:28
Speaker 1: I know. I just don't like that that's out there.
37:30
Speaker 1: So she had been kept there for two months, where
37:33
Speaker 1: she was repeatedly raped twice a day.
37:37
Speaker 2: And twice a day yeah fuck.
37:40
Speaker 1: And intimidated into not escaping after witnessing Todd shoot her
37:44
Speaker 1: boyfriend Charles dead with multiple gunshots and being shown the
37:50
Speaker 1: graves graves of Todd's other victims.
37:55
Speaker 2: Wow, can you imagine the psychology behind that? What you're thinking?
37:58
Speaker 2: I know, after seeing that and being locked up and
38:00
Speaker 2: going through all that for two.
38:02
Speaker 1: Months, I know, like I don't even know imagine.
38:04
Speaker 2: The euphoria when you're finally rescued.
38:07
Speaker 1: So Tod told her as long as she served her purpose,
38:11
Speaker 1: she was safe. She said. He would get there daily
38:15
Speaker 1: between one and three and again between five and seven.
38:20
Speaker 1: He'd take her up to the main building, feed her,
38:23
Speaker 1: and make her do whatever he wanted sexually, and then
38:26
Speaker 1: bring her back to the shipping container. Like that is God,
38:30
Speaker 1: that is just two months of complete hell.
38:33
Speaker 2: This guy's absolute scum.
38:36
Speaker 1: Kayla had known Todd, though She had been working for
38:39
Speaker 1: him cleaning houses and clearing properties before Todd offered them
38:44
Speaker 1: for rent. They were at Todd's property the day they
38:47
Speaker 1: went missing because he had hired them to remove some underbrush.
38:53
Speaker 1: So I think that's so crazy that she also knew
38:55
Speaker 1: this person.
38:55
Speaker 2: It is because.
38:57
Speaker 1: There was other reports I don't have in here that
39:00
Speaker 1: said she didn't really have gotten in bad vibes or
39:05
Speaker 1: anything for him from him prior to Like, I don't
39:08
Speaker 1: think she would have gone if she had, right, But.
39:10
Speaker 2: That brings up the argument of someone, yes, who's all
39:14
Speaker 2: sly and stuff, and these fucking psychopaths have the tendency
39:17
Speaker 2: to be able to do this in the manipulation.
39:19
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly how many times are we going to be
39:22
Speaker 1: bringing that updated?
39:23
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's a very real factor in these sort
39:28
Speaker 2: of cases. It's terrifying, but it's real.
39:30
Speaker 1: So like people who are just too smooth, like run
39:33
Speaker 1: for the hills, I.
39:34
Speaker 2: Guess, I guess. So, I don't know if they're awkward
39:37
Speaker 2: as fuck, you know, the safe Yeah.
39:40
Speaker 1: So. Charles's body was later found in a shallow grave
39:44
Speaker 1: on the property, along with another couple, husband and wife,
39:51
Speaker 1: Johnny Coxy and Megan McRae Coxy. They were residents of Spartanburg,
39:57
Speaker 1: and the pair was reported missing on December twenty second,
40:00
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Like Kaylin Charles Sorry, they were hired by
40:05
Speaker 1: Todd to work on his property. Megan was killed by
40:09
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound to her head on December twenty fifth
40:13
Speaker 1: or twenty six, while Johnny was killed about a week
40:15
Speaker 1: earlier with a gunshot wound to his Torso.
40:19
Speaker 2: So you know that week that she was alive after him,
40:22
Speaker 2: she went through the same sort of shit. Probably she
40:24
Speaker 2: probably tried to escape, which is why she was killed.
40:26
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think there were some reports basically that
40:30
Speaker 1: she wasn't pleasing him like he wanted, or wasn't like
40:35
Speaker 1: playing his game right like she was. I mean, how
40:39
Speaker 1: did he word it, let me just go? How did
40:41
Speaker 1: he word it?
40:41
Speaker 2: She was probably like no use to him or something
40:44
Speaker 2: like that.
40:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember how he worded it for Kayla.
40:47
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you had to play the game basically
40:50
Speaker 1: to stay alive, which is disturbing. And then also something
40:53
Speaker 1: that I don't have in here too, is that Johnny
40:58
Speaker 1: and Megan they had were I think they had just
41:01
Speaker 1: gotten out of prison or they were supposed to be
41:05
Speaker 1: going into prison too, so they were missing. But then
41:08
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people potentially thought maybe they
41:11
Speaker 1: had just like I don't know, gone under radar or something,
41:15
Speaker 1: so it didn't seem like them as missing. People were
41:17
Speaker 1: looked at quite as intensely as understanding and Charles. Okay, yeah,
41:24
Speaker 1: so Todd was of course arrested after Kayla's rescue. He
41:28
Speaker 1: would confess to the Superbike motor sports shootings. Confess, yeah,
41:34
Speaker 1: and the murders of Johnny and Meghan in exchange. There's
41:38
Speaker 1: always they always want something if they're confessing to share, right,
41:41
Speaker 1: in exchange, to have a conversation with his his mother,
41:44
Speaker 1: give her a photograph, and transfer money to the college
41:48
Speaker 1: fund of a friend's child. So that was what he
41:51
Speaker 1: wanted when he confessed to the superbike murders. He said
41:55
Speaker 1: he shot each of the victims once in the forehead,
41:58
Speaker 1: which was a detail that was never released to the public,
42:01
Speaker 1: so they pretty much knew.
42:02
Speaker 2: That, okay, that he was the one.
42:05
Speaker 1: The search of Todd's property also uncovered numerous weapons and ammunition,
42:10
Speaker 1: all believed to be purchased illegally, but did but they
42:14
Speaker 1: did not come up with any other bodies they did not.
42:17
Speaker 2: Really, there's probably more graves out there.
42:21
Speaker 1: They did it. I would imagine they would have done
42:23
Speaker 1: a very thorough search.
42:24
Speaker 2: One hundred acres is a big property, though.
42:27
Speaker 1: It is, but I feel like they would have. But
42:31
Speaker 1: I mean, they had dogs and stuff out there too.
42:33
Speaker 2: And who knows as a realtor what other access he
42:36
Speaker 2: had to other properties that may not have been his
42:38
Speaker 2: own but he was selling or looking after for a
42:41
Speaker 2: week or something like that or who knows, right.
42:44
Speaker 1: And you can sometimes fool those dogs too, right, they
42:46
Speaker 1: don't always sniff out the bodies too. So So now,
42:50
Speaker 1: something I haven't touched on yet is Todd's nickname.
42:55
Speaker 2: The Amazon review Killer.
42:57
Speaker 1: The Amazon review killer, so this is a bit wild.
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Speaker 1: Shortly after Todd's arrest, authorities discovered a number of seemingly
43:06
Speaker 1: jokingly joking product reviews on Amazon dot Com for various
43:12
Speaker 1: items such as a chainsaw, pot or padlocks, shovels, tasers,
43:17
Speaker 1: and gun accessories, written by a user known as simply me.
43:23
Speaker 1: It was me in quotations me, which is weird. So
43:27
Speaker 1: I'm going to say some of these reviews, it's just
43:29
Speaker 1: I There was quite a few, but I think I
43:31
Speaker 1: picked like four or five here so run review about
43:35
Speaker 1: a padlock stated solid locks have five on a shipping container.
43:40
Speaker 1: Won't stop them, but sure will slow them down till
43:43
Speaker 1: they are too old to care. So that one doesn't
43:47
Speaker 1: seem too bad. It could just mean in regard to
43:49
Speaker 1: someone trying to break into his shipping container.
43:51
Speaker 2: Potentially, I guess, yeah.
43:54
Speaker 1: I don't know if probably not, but probably not, probably not.
43:58
Speaker 1: Another padlock review said works great. Also if someone talks back,
44:03
Speaker 1: go old school on them by putting this in a
44:06
Speaker 1: sock and beating them. They will not appreciate the hard
44:09
Speaker 1: and steel like you will. Works great on shipping containers too,
44:15
Speaker 1: all right, Okay that's kind of fucked up.
44:18
Speaker 2: Yeah.
44:19
Speaker 1: On his it just gets more and more fucked up.
44:22
Speaker 1: I feel like on his chainsaw review, he wrote works excellent.
44:26
Speaker 1: Getting the neighbor to stand still while you chase him
44:29
Speaker 1: with it is hard enough without having an easy to
44:31
Speaker 1: use chainsaw.
44:34
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, like, are these progressive, Like well, I don't know.
44:39
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the order that that
44:41
Speaker 1: he wrote them or anything.
44:43
Speaker 2: But but I'm just thinking in the perspective of I mean,
44:46
Speaker 2: as a killer gets more and more cocky because you're
44:48
Speaker 2: getting away with things. He's probably doing more and more
44:51
Speaker 2: boastful tight.
44:52
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he was getting away with.
44:54
Speaker 2: A lot of things, probably getting off on this sort
44:57
Speaker 2: of sho.
44:59
Speaker 1: So there is another written for a folding shovel. It's
45:02
Speaker 1: mus much worse. It read keeping car for when you
45:06
Speaker 1: have to hide the bodies and you left the full
45:09
Speaker 1: size shovel at home does not come with a midget,
45:12
Speaker 1: which would have been nice.
45:15
Speaker 2: That's offensive, but there I understand the humor it, yeah.
45:20
Speaker 1: But still, and then he's also talking about the bearing bodies. Yes,
45:25
Speaker 1: like what the frig? So this is the last one
45:29
Speaker 1: I'll read. It was on a knife and it says
45:32
Speaker 1: haven't stabbed anyone yet yet, but I'm keeping the dream
45:37
Speaker 1: alive and when I do, it will be with a
45:39
Speaker 1: quality tool like this.
45:41
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, that one is just dark that there's no
45:45
Speaker 2: humor in that. That's just dark.
45:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the reviewer's wishless page was listed like listed
45:52
Speaker 1: his name as Todd coolhep.
45:54
Speaker 2: So you know, as someone who really likes to do reviews,
45:58
Speaker 2: you think he would have just reviewed that bike shop
46:00
Speaker 2: instead of going into the gun. Just no shit.
46:03
Speaker 1: Actually I even said something about that earlier. He had
46:06
Speaker 1: just done a review a one star and saved four
46:09
Speaker 1: people's lives. Todd was charged with four counts of murder
46:15
Speaker 1: in relation to the Superbike murders and one count of
46:18
Speaker 1: kidnapping in relation to Kayla's abduction. He was later charged
46:23
Speaker 1: with three additional counts of murder for the murders of Charles,
46:27
Speaker 1: Johnny and Meghan, along with one additional count of kidnapping
46:31
Speaker 1: and three counts of possession of a weapon during the
46:35
Speaker 1: commission of a violent crime. There were also civil lawsuits
46:40
Speaker 1: filed against him from relatives of the Superbike murders and
46:44
Speaker 1: Kayla herself. So seventeen, Todd pleaded guilty to seven counts
46:51
Speaker 1: of murder, two counts of kidnapping, and one count of
46:55
Speaker 1: criminal sexual assault. He pleaded guilty to be spare from
47:00
Speaker 1: capital punishment.
47:04
Speaker 2: I've got a whole boat of emotions for that one.
47:07
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was sentenced to seven consecutive life sentences without
47:13
Speaker 1: the possibility of parole.
47:15
Speaker 2: Good. Good, At least he's locked up forever.
47:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this guy, like, I feel like he is
47:21
Speaker 1: getting sentenced fairly well. But then he also just like
47:26
Speaker 1: really got away with things for far too long too.
47:29
Speaker 2: Yeah he did, he really did.
47:31
Speaker 1: Yeah. So although his defense swore at his sentencing that
47:36
Speaker 1: there were no more victims, there has been a lot
47:39
Speaker 1: of speculation that Todd's victim count is much higher than seven.
47:44
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be surprised.
47:45
Speaker 1: The superbike mass murder happened in two thousand and three
47:49
Speaker 1: and then he didn't strike again until twenty fifteen. That
47:52
Speaker 1: is like, that's a big gap.
47:54
Speaker 2: That is huge generally with these sort of things, like
47:57
Speaker 2: you see people with the these killer tendencies. If for
48:03
Speaker 2: lack of better words, there's there's sometimes gaps and there's
48:07
Speaker 2: usually a reason for it. I mean, we've covered some
48:09
Speaker 2: before where a girlfriend or a kid's or something like that.
48:14
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have any reasons for that gap. So
48:18
Speaker 2: anytime there is a gap other than reasons, they go
48:21
Speaker 2: in hiding. He had no reason to go into hiding.
48:24
Speaker 1: Well, especially because he I mean, he did that mass
48:27
Speaker 1: murder and broad daylighting got completely away with it. So
48:31
Speaker 1: that is in his mind that would have just probably
48:34
Speaker 1: feel the fire right.
48:35
Speaker 2: If anything, he probably got a high from it and
48:37
Speaker 2: wanted to do it again.
48:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
48:42
Speaker 2: Not to say that he couldn't have gone that long
48:45
Speaker 2: without doing it, but the odds are pretty fucking.
48:49
Speaker 1: S I know so Todd himself though also repeatedly admitted
48:54
Speaker 1: there are at least two other murders, at least at
48:57
Speaker 1: least because there are other times where he would admit that.
49:00
Speaker 1: So here on the next sentence, he even told his
49:02
Speaker 1: mother there are other victims when she and when she
49:05
Speaker 1: asked how many, his response was, you do not have
49:08
Speaker 1: enough fingers.
49:10
Speaker 2: I've heard that quote actually before. I've heard about that.
49:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, so police had they have began investigating, searching through
49:18
Speaker 1: like unsolved homicides, as Todd claimed to have shot a
49:22
Speaker 1: victim in Arizona during his interrogation. They also named Todd
49:26
Speaker 1: as a person of interest in an unsolved bank robbery
49:29
Speaker 1: and triple homicide that happened in in guer South Carolina,
49:34
Speaker 1: and that was the same year that the superbike murders
49:37
Speaker 1: took place, but there was no definitive link and Todd
49:41
Speaker 1: was had denied.
49:42
Speaker 2: Any involvement, of course he did.
49:44
Speaker 1: He has yet to give authorities any further details into
49:47
Speaker 1: more crimes he's committed.
49:49
Speaker 2: Honestly, like, what's what's the point of him buttoning up?
49:53
Speaker 2: He's behind bars, no chance for right now.
49:56
Speaker 1: But then also it's probably a game, like maybe one
50:00
Speaker 1: he's saving it for something like I don't know see.
50:04
Speaker 2: For me, And I mean, I don't have this mindset,
50:07
Speaker 2: so I could be way off, or at least I
50:08
Speaker 2: really hope I don't have this mindset.
50:12
Speaker 1: Probably I'm hoping so too well.
50:16
Speaker 2: I'm picturing someone like that being behind bars. The only
50:21
Speaker 2: way he's going to ever relay or relive these sort
50:26
Speaker 2: of feelings of euphoria doing these things again is by
50:31
Speaker 2: discussing with the cops. You know his past. So there's
50:36
Speaker 2: two options. One, like you say, prolonging it and having
50:39
Speaker 2: these games with the cops, but eventually your game's gonna
50:44
Speaker 2: run out and you're gonna die and people just won't
50:45
Speaker 2: know about it. So how long are you gonna go?
50:47
Speaker 2: Or Two, you tell the story, you tell how many
50:52
Speaker 2: victims are, you say where the bodies are, you have
50:55
Speaker 2: major headlines about it, and you go down in history
50:58
Speaker 2: with your body count, which would probably make him feel
51:03
Speaker 2: as big as he possibly could. Yeah, that's my thought
51:07
Speaker 2: process and how I think like they would feel. I
51:09
Speaker 2: think they have those two options. Deny it, play games
51:12
Speaker 2: which is minimal, or announce it and be have that
51:16
Speaker 2: body count as high as you can.
51:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was all about his body count being
51:21
Speaker 1: high like he wanted it high.
51:23
Speaker 2: Most of them are.
51:24
Speaker 1: And I mean he's only but he's only like fifty
51:26
Speaker 1: one years old, right, so is he Like that's pretty young?
51:29
Speaker 1: I feel like, so is he holding out for something?
51:32
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I don't know. I don't know,
51:36
Speaker 1: but it would be very much so, like you said,
51:39
Speaker 1: probably in his best interestice to come out with it.
51:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, honestly, you have people who at rest
51:46
Speaker 2: then you really do.
51:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he doesn't give a shit about that.
51:49
Speaker 2: No, but in his perspective, at least he could then
51:53
Speaker 2: for lack of better words, and I hate to say
51:55
Speaker 2: it like this and give him that sort of tangible credit,
51:58
Speaker 2: but like go down in history read with his body
52:00
Speaker 2: counting hum and his story and what he did, and
52:04
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I mean that fucking sickens me to
52:07
Speaker 2: say it, but you know.
52:08
Speaker 1: What I mean, Yeah, I know what you mean. So anyway,
52:11
Speaker 1: that's the story.
52:12
Speaker 2: That's that Fuck that guy. Yeah, Honestly, the whole best
52:16
Speaker 2: part of this story, because this guy's a piece of shit,
52:19
Speaker 2: was the whole Jerry Springer moment with the DNA being
52:22
Speaker 2: mixed up.
52:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Yeah, there was a lot of really like
52:25
Speaker 1: crazy little didbits in this And the fact too that
52:28
Speaker 1: he went and did Amazon reviews is.
52:33
Speaker 2: That just shows me easy what kind of fucking person
52:35
Speaker 2: he is. I mean, if anything else, doesn't you know
52:37
Speaker 2: what I mean?
52:38
Speaker 1: But yeah, but then that he could be has still
52:40
Speaker 1: been such a highly successful realtor too. Oh that just
52:44
Speaker 1: makes me ill.
52:45
Speaker 2: Well, like you said, his intelligence, right.
52:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and he was a smooth talker, so he
52:50
Speaker 1: probably knew really he probably did sold houses really well.
52:53
Speaker 2: Just because he's smart doesn't mean he's a good person.
52:56
Speaker 1: No, oh gosh, not at all.
52:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was a good case. Good job, Yeah,
53:00
Speaker 2: there you go. Good job covering it and delivering it
53:02
Speaker 2: and giving us Jerry, Jerry, that was all you. Well,
53:06
Speaker 2: I mean, you delivered it. I was just the crowd
53:08
Speaker 2: chanting at you. You were Jerry Springer. Oh my gosh.
53:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope everyone enjoyed that.
53:15
Speaker 2: Mika would have been that bald bouncer guy. What's it, Steve?
53:18
Speaker 2: I think, well, I'm not sure. Yeah, there was some
53:21
Speaker 2: bouncers off to the side. Our dogs would have been
53:22
Speaker 2: the bouncers.
53:24
Speaker 1: Kiwi would have been the true bouncer.
53:25
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't want to fuck with Kiwi. No, you
53:27
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53:32
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