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HOLLYWOODLAND: Bonus Episode: Comfort Horror and Cursed Films · Spooky Season Podcasts 🎃

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  Speaker 1: Dear listeners of Hollywoodland, does it feel like you're stuck
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  Speaker 1: in limbo, standing under a flickering streetlight at the corner
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  Speaker 1: of Hollywood and true crime, waiting for the next episode
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  Speaker 1: of Hollywoodland to drop?
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  Speaker 2: I got you.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Hollywoodland, the rap party. What's happening, everybody? I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Zeth Lundy, writer, showrunner, and good doctor here
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  Speaker 1: at Double Elvis. And today in the Hollywoodland Rap Party,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about cursed movies, the sets that were cursed,
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  Speaker 1: the actors and directors who were followed by curses. So naturally,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about Poltergeist. We're talking about Rosemary's Baby. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking Halloween Baby. So later in the show, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: joined by Jake Brennan of Disgraceland to give you guys
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  Speaker 1: some recommendations of songs for your Halloween playlists. and movies
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  Speaker 1: for your Halloween watch list. Plus, I've got your calls, texts,
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  Speaker 1: and emails. So come on, everybody, let's party. What's up, guys?
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned last week Rosemary's Baby as one of the
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  Speaker 1: classic horror films we revisit here in the Lundy household,
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  Speaker 1: if not every October, you know, every other October. And
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  Speaker 1: we put it on the other night. And as I'm
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  Speaker 1: watching this, I'm thinking, you know, I've seen this movie
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  Speaker 1: so many times now that it's oddly more of a
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  Speaker 1: comfort watch for me than it's an unnerving watch for me,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. You know, like the Tannis route.
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  Speaker 1: and The Chocolate Mousse with the Chalky Undertaste. Chalky Undertaste,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, great name for a blog or a
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  Speaker 1: sub stack about horror films. If it's not already taken,
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  Speaker 1: you're welcome. While this movie, Rosemary's Baby, is loaded with
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  Speaker 1: cold characters, characters like Guy Woodhouse, played with true asshole
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  Speaker 1: charm by John Cassavetes, the struggling actor who will do anything,
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  Speaker 1: even make a deal with the devil for his wife's
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  Speaker 1: baby in order to catch a break, or the evil Cassavetes,
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  Speaker 1: Minnie and Roman, played by the scenery-chewing Ruth Gordon and
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Blackmire, one of the greatest on-screen couples in film history,
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  Speaker 1: in my estimation. You know, as cold as these characters are,
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  Speaker 1: there is this domesticity to this film, as it's largely
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  Speaker 1: set inside these New York City apartments. And the holiday
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  Speaker 1: season comes and goes. There's cozy fireplaces. There's new couches.
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  Speaker 1: There's that vodka blush that Roman serves up. The roasts.
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  Speaker 1: that the Woodhouse's friend Hutch makes them. It's comfort horror.
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  Speaker 1: Am I wrong? It's horror that you can wrap around
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  Speaker 1: yourself like a warm blanket. Am I wrong or am
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  Speaker 1: I just weird? Am I just fucked up? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think this is the point
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  Speaker 1: of this movie. I think this was intentional on Roman
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  Speaker 1: Polanski's part and on the part of the set and
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  Speaker 1: production designers. Make us feel like this world is welcoming
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  Speaker 1: and warm and enveloping so that you're fooled into thinking
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  Speaker 1: it's something that it's not. Even though, as Hutch tells
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  Speaker 1: Rosemary and Guy early on in the film, the building
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  Speaker 1: they're moving into has this violent, tragic, fucked up history,
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  Speaker 1: including the so-called Trench Sisters, who are said to have
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  Speaker 1: cooked and eaten several young children. Where's our Trench Sisters movie,
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  Speaker 1: by the way? I also think that, you know, for me,
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  Speaker 1: I watched this film and I longed for a time
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  Speaker 1: and a place that I was never present for and
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  Speaker 1: I'll never be able to go to. New York City
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  Speaker 1: in the 1960s, the tactile nature of the fabrics and
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  Speaker 1: the dinnerware and the book jackets and the wooden secretary cabinets.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of these things got ported over throughout the decades,
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  Speaker 1: but there's something so romantic about them here in mid-60s
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  Speaker 1: New York. And to reiterate my point from earlier, that
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  Speaker 1: is the point, the false romanticism. Being lulled into this
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  Speaker 1: world only makes the ending of the film that much
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  Speaker 1: more shocking. I still get goosebumps at this scene every
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  Speaker 1: single time when Mia Farrow walks up to the bassinet,
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  Speaker 1: cloaked in black, with an inverted cross hanging above it.
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  Speaker 1: She peers inside and she cries out, what have you
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  Speaker 1: done to him? What have you done to his eyes?
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  Speaker 1: You maniacs. The spell of comfort, of domesticity, it's fully
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  Speaker 1: snapped in half in this moment. Even though Sidney Blackmire
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  Speaker 1: and the rest of the cast portraying this coven retain
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  Speaker 1: their big showy acting style, they're all so over the
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  Speaker 1: top that you could imagine laughing at this whole thing, right?
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  Speaker 1: And the ways that I laugh at Ruth Gordon's incredible
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  Speaker 1: performance throughout this whole film. And Saibar, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was watching this with my son last night. It was
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  Speaker 1: his first time watching it. We were introducing him to it.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, whoa, she is just like Aunt
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  Speaker 1: Gladys from Weapons. The way she dresses, her makeup, even
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  Speaker 1: how when she walks in the apartment for the first
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  Speaker 1: time and she's like, whoa, like looking around the apartment
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  Speaker 1: just like Gladys does when she goes to the principal's house.
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  Speaker 1: And that was something that had never crossed my mind.
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  Speaker 1: So props to him for connecting those dots. And I
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  Speaker 1: would agree with him. I think Amy Madigan must have
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  Speaker 1: been channeling Ruth Gordon, for sure. But back to what
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  Speaker 1: I was talking about before, the performative nature of Minnie
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  Speaker 1: and Roman and the Coven's whole act is suddenly dragged
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  Speaker 1: out into the light here. And it just makes the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing scary as hell. It's so fucked up because
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  Speaker 1: the whole movie, you're like, yeah, this does seem, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like something's up here, but this can't, it can't
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  Speaker 1: be that, right? It can't be. you know, here Rosemary
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  Speaker 1: was worrying that this cult of Satanists were going to
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  Speaker 1: take her baby and like sacrifice it, right? Or something. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: they were breeding the son of Satan inside her all along.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, her motherly instincts take over and
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  Speaker 1: she has no other choice but to help raise this
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  Speaker 1: child and be a part of this.
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  Speaker 3: Brood.
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  Speaker 1: Polanski, who also wrote this screenplay based on the novel
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  Speaker 1: by Ira Levin, really sticks the landing. Like, What's the
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  Speaker 1: worst that could happen? Let's make that happen. No happy endings,
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  Speaker 1: no morals to the story, just evil is out there,
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  Speaker 1: evil exists, and it will infiltrate you and your family
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  Speaker 1: and your life if you're not careful. Now, evil did
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  Speaker 1: infiltrate Roman Polanski's own family a little over a year
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  Speaker 1: after this film came out in August of 1969, when
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  Speaker 1: the devil showed up at his door in L.A., 10050
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  Speaker 1: Cielo Drive, and murdered his wife, Sharon Tate, and their
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  Speaker 1: unborn baby, among others. From the jump, there are whispers
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  Speaker 1: about this film, Rosemary's Baby, and how it was cursed,
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  Speaker 1: that by making it and by becoming the toast of
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood in the process, Roman Polanski made this Faustian bargain
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  Speaker 1: in which his own family was sacrificed. Now, I mention
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  Speaker 1: this because this week in the Hollywoodland feed, we have
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  Speaker 1: our fully scripted and sound design episode on another supposedly
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  Speaker 1: cursed film, Poltergeist, or rather, the Poltergeist franchise from the 1980s.
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  Speaker 1: If you've listened to that episode, you know that four
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  Speaker 1: different actors from those films all died within a six-year span.
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  Speaker 1: Some of them, like Julian Beck, were much older, 60
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  Speaker 1: years old, and others were much younger, like Heather O'Rourke,
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  Speaker 1: who is just 12. And I was curious about some
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  Speaker 1: other films from movie history that are also supposedly cursed
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  Speaker 1: and where these sort of slot in with those. The
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  Speaker 1: one that came immediately to my mind was The Twilight Zone,
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  Speaker 1: the movie, which was this 1983, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: you'd call it, extravaganza. It was like four separate short
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  Speaker 1: films that were put together into one. And each segment
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  Speaker 1: was directed by a different director. One was directed by
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  Speaker 1: Joe Dante, another by Steven Spielberg, one by George Miller,
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  Speaker 1: and then the fourth by John Landis. a film that
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  Speaker 1: on paper seems like it would be a dream, especially
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  Speaker 1: for fans of sci-fi films or horror films. But in reality,
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  Speaker 1: this production became this infamous tragedy when two child actors
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  Speaker 1: who were illegally hired, by the way, along with the
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  Speaker 1: actor Vic Morrow, were killed in a helicopter crash while Landis'
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  Speaker 1: segment was being filmed. This is a story I've wanted
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  Speaker 1: to tell here in Hollywoodland for a long time because
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  Speaker 1: I believe it led to some sort of legislation or
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  Speaker 1: some new rules that were imposed upon how films were
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  Speaker 1: made and what safety protocols would be used going forward.
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  Speaker 1: But here are some other supposedly cursed films I dug
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  Speaker 1: up from movie history. First of all, you guys know
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  Speaker 1: about The Misfits and you know about The Crow and
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  Speaker 1: you know about Rebel Without a Cause and you know
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  Speaker 1: about The Passion of the Christ because you listen to
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  Speaker 1: Hollywoodland and we've got episodes on The Misfits and Brandon
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  Speaker 1: Lee and James Dean and Mel Gibson. all of which
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  Speaker 1: touch upon the so-called curses of those films. But there's
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  Speaker 1: this 1976 horror film called The Omen, in which Gregory
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  Speaker 1: Peck unknowingly adopts a child who is, in fact, the Antichrist. Whoops,
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  Speaker 1: bad move there, Gregory Peck. Gregory Peck lost his own
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  Speaker 1: son to suicide just months before the production of this
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  Speaker 1: film began. And then in flight on his way to
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  Speaker 1: London to begin filming, his plane was struck by lightning.
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  Speaker 1: And not only that, Gregory Peck's plane was one of
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  Speaker 1: two planes headed to London carrying people involved with this
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  Speaker 1: film that were struck by lightning. Later on, the production's
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  Speaker 1: animal trainer, was mauled and killed by a tiger just
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  Speaker 1: days after shooting, wrapped. There's a screenplay out there that's
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  Speaker 1: been out there for years called Atuk, A-T-U-K, Atuk, I
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  Speaker 1: believe it's pronounced. It's based on a 1963 novel called
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  Speaker 1: The Uncomparable Atuk, which is a satire about an indigenous
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  Speaker 1: Canadian who moves to Toronto. Now, a number of famous
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  Speaker 1: actors and comedians were at some point tied to this film,
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  Speaker 1: to star in this film, which apparently has never progressed
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  Speaker 1: beyond the pre-pre-pre-production stage. And these actors include John Belushi,
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  Speaker 1: John Candy, Sam Kinison, and Chris Farley, all of whom
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  Speaker 1: died far too young. And so thus this theory was
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  Speaker 1: born that somehow being involved with this production would curse you.
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  Speaker 1: Though in the cases of at least three of those
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  Speaker 1: four dudes I just mentioned, I think hard drugs proved
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  Speaker 1: more problematic than a curse, but I digress.
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  Speaker 4: Me?
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe in curses, but I do believe in karma.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that you get back what you put out there.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're not putting good stuff out there, you're
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  Speaker 1: not getting good stuff back. And to bring it back
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  Speaker 1: around here to Rosemary's baby, in the case of Rosemary,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Rosemary was putting bad stuff out there,
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  Speaker 1: but she aligned herself with a person, her husband, who
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  Speaker 1: was most definitely not putting good stuff out there and
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  Speaker 1: jeopardized her. So Sometimes it's not just you. It's like
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  Speaker 1: your mom used to say, you know, you are who
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  Speaker 1: you hang out with. Which I can tell you, as
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  Speaker 1: I'm raising children on my own right now, is 100%
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  Speaker 1: abso-fucking-lutely true. And that's a story for another day. I
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  Speaker 1: know that there are other cursed movies out there that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking of, maybe I'm not aware of. What
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  Speaker 1: are they and why are they cursed? You can call
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  Speaker 1: me or text me. 617-906-6638. And let me know. You
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  Speaker 1: can also email me at disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Coming a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later in the show, as always, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: joined by Jake Brennan, host of Disgraced Land, the boss
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  Speaker 1: man around here. And we're going to give you guys some,
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  Speaker 1: not cursed recommendations, but just some good old-fashioned Halloween wrecks.
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  Speaker 1: I asked Jake to bring a couple of the deep
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  Speaker 1: cuts he's got on his legendary Halloween playlists. I believe
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  Speaker 1: he shared that playlist before, but we'll definitely share it
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  Speaker 1: again somewhere, perhaps in Patreon might be the easiest place.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'm going to bring some hopefully underrated, underseen,
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  Speaker 1: new to you recommendations for, you know, scary, spooky season
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  Speaker 1: movies that you can watch for the next few weeks
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: before they start to unthaw Mariah Carey. If you missed
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  Speaker 1: it last week, that's how we're saying spooky season. We're
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  Speaker 1: whispering it because I just, I can't say it out
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  Speaker 1: loud with a straight face. Speaking of Patreon, I just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned a minute ago. Yesterday, Jake and I recorded a
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  Speaker 1: brand new episode of our video podcast, which is a
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  Speaker 1: Patreon exclusive. You've got to be a member of Disgraceland
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  Speaker 1: All Access over on Patreon to check this out. And
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: you can do that by going to DisgracelandPod.com. The show
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: is called This Film Should Be Played Loud. It's a
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: collision of our two worlds. It's music and it's movies.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: And we talk at length about the great music in
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: some of our favorite movies. This new episode we just
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: shot is all about Edgar Wright's 2004 movie, Shaun of
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: the Dead, which seems fitting because we are here in October.
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: Halloween is approaching. So naturally in this episode, we're talking
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: about the specials. We're talking about the Smiths. We're talking
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: about Queen, Mellie Mel. We had an absolute blast filming this,
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  Speaker 1: and I think you guys will really dig it. So
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: stay tuned on that. That's coming out a week from today.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you're new here, welcome. Welcome to the club.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Hollywoodland. Thanks for listening. We have the sister show, Disgraceland,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: which is just like Hollywoodland, but it's about music and
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  Speaker 1: true crime. And if you want to give, this film
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  Speaker 1: should be played loud, Disgraceland, all access to test drive.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: I believe you can do like a free trial or something.
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Just check it out. We've got nearly a year's worth
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  Speaker 1: Dazed and Confused, Do the Right Thing, The Big Lebowski,
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  Speaker 1: the list goes on. And we have so much more
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: cool shit to come, all right? Back to the here
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: and the now, back to this week on Friday, two
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  Speaker 1: days from today, a new installment here in the screening room.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do a deep dive into the 2017
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: David Lowery film, A Ghost Story, that stars Rooney Mara
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  Speaker 1: and Casey Affleck, albeit Casey Affleck spends most of the
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  Speaker 1: film under a bed sheet. And then on Monday next week,
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  Speaker 1: back with another archive episode, this one on Jane Mansfield,
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  Speaker 1: because perhaps it will surprise you that Jane Mansfield had
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  Speaker 1: some spooky Halloween-y shit going on in her life. She
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  Speaker 1: was tight with none other than Anton LaVey, founder of
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  Speaker 1: the Church of Satan. Hmm, Satan? And once again, we're
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  Speaker 1: back to where we started, talking about Satan, talking about
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  Speaker 1: Rosemary's baby. I would be remiss, guys, if I didn't
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  Speaker 1: mention the very problematic shit that Roman Polanski got involved
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  Speaker 1: with after his wife's brutal murder. And to that end,
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  Speaker 1: We do have episodes of Hollywoodland all about that. There's
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  Speaker 1: one about Roman Polanski, and then there's a two-part episode
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  Speaker 1: on Sharon Tate. Those are in the archive, in your feed.
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  Speaker 1: Just search them up and check them out. All right?
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  Speaker 1: Let's chat, shall we? I'd like to dig into your voicemails,
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  Speaker 1: your DMs, your emails, all that good shit. So hang tight,
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  Speaker 1: my pretties, and I'll return right after this quick break. Yo, yo, yo, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Lundy hanging here with you all in the wrap party. 617-906-6638.
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  Speaker 1: That's the number. Give it a call. Shoot it a text.
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  Speaker 1: Just like our guy Adam here in the 903.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Lundy. Adam from Texas, now in Maryland. My comfort movie,
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  Speaker 2: as strange as it might sound, it would probably have
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  Speaker 2: to be Clerks by Kevin Smith, of course. written and
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  Speaker 2: directed just because I grew up loving that movie. And
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  Speaker 2: I remember getting that movie at the Blockbuster. Actually, one
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  Speaker 2: of the good things that came from Blockbuster. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: before they definition of lame, but that was the first
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  Speaker 2: big video store in my small podunk Texas town where
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  Speaker 2: I could actually get movies that were worth anything. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Comfort movies, scary movies, I guess. Frighteners with Michael J.
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  Speaker 2: Fox was always one of my favorites. Yeah. And the score,
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  Speaker 2: Hans Zimmer. Love the show. Love what you guys do.
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  Speaker 2: Keep doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Bye.
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  Speaker 1: The Frighteners. That's what's up, man. I think I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: this film before here. This is Peter Jackson, pre-Lord of
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  Speaker 1: the Rings Peter Jackson, when he was still doing, making
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  Speaker 1: weird and wild shit. Not that Lord of the Rings
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  Speaker 1: isn't great, but it's like James Cameron in Avatar. Avatar
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  Speaker 1: has sucked up the last, what, 10 years of James
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  Speaker 1: Cameron's career, if not more. And Lord of the Rings
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  Speaker 1: kind of did the same thing to Peter Jackson. Peter
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  Speaker 1: Jackson was making a bunch of cool original movies, just
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  Speaker 1: like James Cameron was. And And, you know, now he's
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  Speaker 1: sort of, this is all he's doing. Anyways, I digress
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  Speaker 1: a little bit here. This is also a great example
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  Speaker 1: of what do we do with Michael J. Fox now
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  Speaker 1: that he's grown, you know, growing up. This is what
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  Speaker 1: you do with Michael J.
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  Speaker 2: Fox.
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  Speaker 1: Great performance by The Fox. And great pick here, Adam.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you calling in. Clerks, you know, I've always wanted
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  Speaker 1: to like Kevin Smith more than I do. I think
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  Speaker 1: my favorite, no, I know my favorite Kevin Smith film
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  Speaker 1: is Dogma. But I know what you mean about this
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  Speaker 1: one being a comfort film. For me, being Gen X,
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  Speaker 1: it's definitely a time capsule of this moment in my life,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the 90s, the video store culture, junkyard, cut
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  Speaker 1: and paste, BC Boys culture, the sort of like hanging
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  Speaker 1: around with friends and not having smartphones. So filling your time,
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  Speaker 1: making all these cultural references and, you know, like the
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  Speaker 1: high fidelity of it all, the top five lists. So
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  Speaker 1: I get that. I can see how that could be
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  Speaker 1: a comfort film. And you mentioned Hans Zimmer there as well,
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  Speaker 1: who seems like he scores every other movie that comes
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  Speaker 1: out these days. Hans Zimmer, he tours. He plays like
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  Speaker 1: these concerts where he plays his own film scores. He
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  Speaker 1: like rocks out like he's his fucking guitar god. He's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like the John Tesh of film scores. But instead of
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a keytar, he has a guitar. And his music is
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: way better than John Tesh, by the way. John Tesh stands.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Don't come at me. Thanks, Adam. 617- 906-6638. We were
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: talking about pet peeves in movies. Got a text from
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the 617. It says, my pet peeve in movies happens
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: a lot in action or sci-fi films where some very
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: important thing happens and a character calls a superior. And
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: instead of describing the very important thing, says something like,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you're going to want to see this. I mean, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: get the storytelling reason why withholding the information from the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: audience makes sense, but you're going to want to see this,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: or you better get up here, should be retired as
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the most hackneyed of cliches, Matt from the 617. You
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: know what, Matt? Let's start a list here, okay? We'll
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: have a running list. Our pet peeve list for unrealistic
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: things that should no longer be allowed to happen in movies.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Is that done? Ah, it's not a good name. The
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: name's too long, and it's not really getting at the
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: heart of the matter here. We'll work on that, okay?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Number one, cups must have liquid in them, okay? Number two,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: characters gotta tell their superiors what the fuck is going on, okay?
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Number three, I know there was a third, someone else
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: called or texted him with one the other week, and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what it is, but remind me, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: keep them coming. Um, we'll create this pet peeve list
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and then, you know, we'll send it to, I don't
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: know who we'll send it to. We'll send it to Hollywood.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: We'll send it to Mr.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Hollywood.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: 617-906-6638.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Text from the 303. Zeth, I have never agreed with
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you more than I do with your hatred for the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: phrase spooky season. Just say Halloween.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do. Halloween.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I think we've established that. Um, text here from the 248. Actually,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: we have two texts here from this 248. The first
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: one says, Dr. Zeth, correction of a correction. A listener
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: recently corrected you on the subject of which cheap trick
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: tune was mimicked badly in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: You and Jake said it was the Dream Police. Your
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: listener corrected you and said it was Surrender. Well, you
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: were both right because he referenced both proof incoming and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and the 248 sent a link to the scene on YouTube.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: So thank you for that correction of a correction. It's
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: not a Nine Inch Nails song, correction of a correction.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Funny that he mentions both. So everyone's right. I like that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I like that when everyone's right instead of everyone's wrong, okay?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Let's all be right. I like that. Franklin texted in
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: again here and said, Franklin from the 248, one more thing.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: In the same after party, you mentioned to Jake that
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the movie The Watchmen... was a complete disaster. I absolutely, completely, emphatically,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: absolutely disagree with you. I love that movie and I
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: rank it as one of the best comic book movies
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: ever created. I put it right up there with The
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Crow and The Dark Knight. One thing is certain, the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: timing was all wrong and the American public was not
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: ready for it. This was in the founding moments of
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the really modern feel-good popcorn superhero movies. With the exception
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: of an adjustment to the end, the movie is almost
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: sell for sell out of the comic book. It is dark,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it is violent, it is sexual. and in my opinion,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: it is a powerful examination of the human mind when
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: thrown into a situation of violence and ridiculous costumes. But
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it set the ground rules for a lot of dark
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: comic book adaptations that have followed. I highly suggest you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: clear your mind and watch it again. I have seen, unfortunately,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: virtually every comic book movie that has come out, and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I have not deviated from my evaluation as this being
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: every bit as good as The Crow, and perhaps a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: little bit better than The Dark Knight. Still love ya. Rock-a-rola. Franklin, uh...
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: You've convinced me. I will check this out again. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: will check this out with an open mind. I saw
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: this when it came out and I was actually, you know,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: this wasn't something that I wasn't ready for at the time.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I was actually anticipating this because, you know, I'm a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: comic book guy from back in the day. And I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: remember loving The Watchmen and sort of loving how it
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: subverted the form and was really excited when they were
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: going to make a movie out of this. And I just,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I felt at the time, when I saw it, that
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: it felt a little overblown to me. I think that's
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: how I felt about it. I just remember not liking
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it and really not liking it. But it has been
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a while, and you have written here very convincingly and passionately.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to take your word for it, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give it another shot at some point.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I will report back to you. I don't know how
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: long it will take me. It could be a week.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It could be a year, but I will get there.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: I promise.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm curious. Did you see the HBO adaptation of The Watchmen.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And if you did, what did you think of that?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Let me know. 617-906-6638. Two texts here. They come from
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the 973, but they're from Manny in the 732. The
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: first says, what up fellas? Manny from the 732, Asbury Park,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: New Jersey. My comfort movie is Eternal Sunshine of the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Spotless Mind. My wife hates it, but I could watch
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it once a week. Quiet house, early Sunday morning. Chances
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: are that it's on. And then Manny's other text here says,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I just started Crystal Lake on Peacock. It's a prequel
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: to the Friday the 13th story. First episode has me hooked.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Linda Cardellini is amazing. I was waiting for her to
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: be in something since DTF St.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Louis.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the text, Manny. Hope all is well in
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Asbury Park. Greetings from Asbury Park, as the boss would say.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I can see Eternal Sunshine being a comfort movie, even
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: though it's depressing as hell. You know, it's like Rosemary's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Baby is fucking dark as shit, and that's a comfort
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: movie for me, apparently. And Crystal Lake, this is on
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: our list of stuff to check out. We're watching Carrie
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: right now, but I want to check this series out
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: as well. It looks great. And A24 did it, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I'll watch just about anything that A24 does. Appreciate you, Manny.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Thanks for reaching out.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: 617-906-6638.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Got a text here from the 415 that said, Hey, Zeth.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: You often bring up songs from the 1970s that you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: aptly described as being buried in the subconscious of Gen
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Xers and Xennials, but unleash a flood of memories whenever
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: heard again. You mentioned some great ones. How about Midnight
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: at the Oasis? That's definitely one that taps the springs
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: of childhood memories of backseat car rides and AM radio magic.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's just me, though. Love your weekly mixtapes and
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: everything else you and Jake put out there. Glenn in
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the 415. Hey, thanks, Glenn.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Midnight at the Oasis, Maria Maldar, right? That's definitely one.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It's one that like, yeah, it's like, you know, you
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: don't hear it for years and then you hear it again.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: And it's like, what is with the vibe of these songs?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: You know, like the strings, the sultry guitar tones, they
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: sound like a deep breath and a huge sigh. Maybe
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's just the sound of being like exercise out of
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the back of your mind somewhere. But I love this.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks for writing in, Glenn. Keep on rocking in the 405.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Got a text here from the 615 that said, just
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: had to chime in on the Stephen King maximum overdrive.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I've read most of Stephen King's books. There's something in
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: his books that is very difficult to capture on film.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I could list many poor adaptations, but Pet Sematary was
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the worst. The book terrified me. The film was laughable. 615,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: completely agree. My son jokes about that Pet Sematary movie,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the one from the late 80s, early 90s with Fred Gwynn.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Sometimes dead's better. We do that, his awful Maine accent.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Whenever there's like a cheesy horror film or a really
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: bad Stephen King adaptation, that's what my son says. Sometimes
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: dead's better. Listen, I'm a Mainer. Stephen King is like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you know, he's it for us up here. And We
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: talk about this often. I mean, I could talk about
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: this for hours. There is something about his books that
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: are very difficult to capture on film. And I think
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the people who get it right are the people who
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: understand that Stephen King's books are not just about horror,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: but he writes so much about humanity and not just
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: the bad part of humanity, but the good part of humanity, right?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: And so when people get these movies right and these
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: series right, it's because they get the humanity right. You know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Rob Reiner with Stand By Me, Frank Darabont with The
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Shawshank Redemption, Mike Flanagan with the new Carrie series, with Dr. Sleep,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: with Gerald's Game. Gerald's Game is super underrated. These people
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: all get the humanity aspect of it right. I think
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: where people falter is that they lean into the horror
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: of it all, right? And yes, he is the master
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: of horror, master of suspense, but don't sleep on his humanity.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: There was a great interview this past weekend in the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: New York Times, a joint interview with Stephen King and
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Mike Flanagan. And, you know, they mentioned this, they mentioned,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it's so funny too, you can't take the mainer out
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of Stephen King. Like they asked him about, his favorite
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: adaptations of his work and his least favorite adaptations. And
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: he said like, you know, I don't like to talk
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: about my least favorite adaptations because, you know, like he
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: just doesn't like to talk about negative shit.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: But he, he did bring up the shining and how
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: he said, people want to talk to him about that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: one all the time, because for, in his estimation, for
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: some reason, unbeknownst to him, it's the shining Stanley Kubrick's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: movie has been elevated to, you know, one of the
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: greatest horror films of all time. But in Stephen King's mind,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: The guy got it wrong, and it's not good at all.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And he goes, you know, my wife says, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: shit floats. It's like, I love him because he's still
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: just the same down-to-earth Cranky Maynard that he was decades ago. Anyways,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I'm way off track here. 615, thank you for texting in.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to read one more text here real quick
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: from the 901. Hey, Zeth, are you watching the new
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Carrie remake? How about Crystal Lake? I was never deeply
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: into horror. But here I am at 45 getting into it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I just finished Crystal Lake and I loved it.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: It.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I'm starting on Carrie now. I think the horror genre
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: is just outperforming everything right now. Let me know what
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you're watching. Elizabeth from the 731 via the 901. Elizabeth,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: I just mentioned it earlier, but I'll just repeat it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: here a little bit more in depth. We're going to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: queue up Crystal Lake. Haven't started it yet, but I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: psyched to watch it. We're about halfway, a little bit
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: more than halfway through Carrie, and I'm loving it. I'm
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: really liking it. Mike Flanagan really knows how to strike
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: that balance between what I was just talking about, the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: horror side and the humanity side. I forgot to mention
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: The Life of Chuck, which he did as well, and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: which is incredible. This is also an example of how
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you can, it's like a great cover song. It's like
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Aretha Franklin taking Otis Redding's respect and turning it into
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: something new. Flanagan has taken this source text from the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: 70s and put it into a story in 2026 with
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: kids who have smartphones, with kids who have social media accounts,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with kids who can create, you know, Finsta accounts and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: anonymous accounts in order to bully others, cyber bully others.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It's really a kind of a genius stroke on Mike
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Flanagan's part. to do what he's done with the show.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: The casting is great. Flanagan has like a, he has
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: a stable of actors that he uses over and over again.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And a number of them are in this and they're
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: all just so, so well suited for, for this work.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So yeah, highly recommend Carrie and thanks everybody for the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: recommendations on Crystal Lake and other stuff. We'll check those
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: out soon. So many other messages I wasn't able to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: get to today, guys. I'm running out of time here.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I'm going long. I got to stop or else Matt's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: going to kill me. So I will get to those.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Next week, I'm going to take a quick break here again,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: but when I come back, Jake Brennan will be here.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: We're going to give you guys some Halloween-themed recommendations, so
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: don't nobody go nowhere.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I'll be right back.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're back here in the wrap party. Dr.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Lundy hanging with you here. Joined, as I am always,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: in the D-block, we call it. That's a little behind
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the scenes lingo for y'all. The D-block here with Jake Brennan.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: The spooky D-block this week.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: I lowered my voice for that one. Have you heard
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: this rumor that Elizabeth, what's her name? Elizabeth Holmes? Is
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: it Elizabeth Holmes?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Theranos.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the movie that everyone's freaking out about.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: This movie is supposed to be fucking incredible. I know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go this weekend and see it.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch it. Yeah. My wife was
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: telling me there's this rumor that she lowered her voice
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: a lot to talk like this to make her sound
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: more masculine. And when you hear her voice, and I
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: don't know if it's true or not, but I watched
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: this like old 60 Minutes on her this weekend. And
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I was just like, I was blown away at her voice.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Like it's repelling and attractive at the same time. I know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: It's so fascinating.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: It really is. Like if it's fake, I'm, I'm, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: don't know. I kind of want it to be fake
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: because it's psychotic if that's the case. Right.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And you know, worthy of its own horror movie, which
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: is kind of what we're here to talk about in
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: a way.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Right. We are. Yeah.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: We're just, we're doing some straight up like Halloween recommendations.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I know I had mentioned you have this like legendary
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Halloween playlist, at least in my house on Spotify.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And we shared that with the listeners at one point
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: years ago, I think. And so I know that what
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I really liked about your, your playlist was that there
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: were so many like songs that I didn't know, or
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that I was like, Ooh, yeah, this is great. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: so I was hoping you could bring a couple of,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: you know, deep cut Halloween playlist recommendations. And then I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: have three movies that are great for this time of
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: year to watch as well. So why don't you cue
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: us up and start?
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Okay. The first one I'm going here, it's, uh, They
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: do appear on the playlist. It's funny you brought up
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: the playlist, because I didn't know you were going to,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: and I immediately went to my playlist to consult.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: They're on the playlist, but that's not why I brought
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: them to this list. So Kronos, the lead singer for Venom,
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: died a couple days ago.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I saw that, yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: And Venom is one of these bands. They're Satanists, supposedly.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: For real?
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: For real, supposedly.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: For real.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: But they're so metal that they're comical, okay? They're very
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: hard to take seriously. Right. And I'm actually like, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: read his obituary in the New York Times on Sunday,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: and I was, I'm kind of, my goal this week
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: is to figure out if they're actually Satanists, because the
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: Times doesn't say if they are or they aren't, or
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: at least he, if he was or if he wasn't.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: And if they were, I'm going to get rid of
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: my copy of in league with satan because i don't
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: want that shit on my bookshelf if it's real i
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: don't want to be opened up into a portal of
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: evil that uh that likely exists yeah as these artifacts
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: sometimes do anyhow he died and it reminded me of
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: this hysterical legendary mythic seven inch that is out there
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: that thurston moore released on his ecstatic peace label So supposedly,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: now I've heard this. It was played for me once
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: in Los Angeles in the pre-internet days. A friend played
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: it for me. And I don't think, I don't believe
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: it exists digitally. But it might. I should have looked
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: before I got on here. It's a 7-inch that Joe Cole,
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: who was a roadie for Black Flag, made. And Thurston
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Moore released. And Venom, now these guys like Black Flag,
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Sonic Youth, Beastie Boys... They were obsessed with Venom. I
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: was reading this story before I got on here about
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: how Mike D, these guys thought Venom was a joke
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: and they loved them. And they went to go see
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: them and they're like, oh fuck, they're for real. And
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: they name check Venom. I think they sample Venom on
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Check Your Head. This seven inch, Joe Cole, the roadie
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: from Black Flag who was eventually shot and murdered next
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: to Henry Rollins, but that's a whole other story. Joe Cole,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: they're at City Gardens in New Jersey. And I think
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Thurston Moore, this is the first time he saw Black Flag,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: was at this show. I could have that piece of
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: the story wrong. But Venom goes on. And I don't
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: know who was opening for who, Black Flag or Venom
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: opening for each other. But Venom goes on. And they're
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: just blown away by the frontman histrionics from Kronos. Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: And Joe Cole taped the set. And then, you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: without the band's permission, got rid of all the music
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: from the set and pressed the between song banter from
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Kronos onto a 7-inch. Like the Satanist, like losing his
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: mind in full rock and roll, like, let's go! And
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: then it's like, cut, two seconds.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: How you doing?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Let's go see the girls.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Cut, two seconds.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Are you ready for scene?
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Cut, two seconds. You know what I mean? Just on
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: and on and on and on and on. So if
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: you can find that 7-inch, it is.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing it. The justice it deserved.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Are you ready for Satan?
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Deserves, yes. So that's... I think it's called Venom, and
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: it's on the Ecstatic label, Ecstatic Peace label, Thurston Moore's
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: record label. And if you can find that, give that
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: a listen to. That's my first one. The second one
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: is entirely more musical. And my favorite types of spooky songs,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Halloween songs are the one I love the cramps and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: I love the misfits, but my favorite types of October
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Halloween songs are the ones that are unintentionally spooky. Okay. Yes. Yes.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Hurdy Gurdy Man by Donovan. Made spooky because of David
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Fincher and Zodiac.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: So I'm not only recommending this song, I'm also recommending
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: a specific live performance, video of a live performance from
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: YouTube for the listeners to check out. And it's Wolf
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Like Me by TV on the Radio.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: That's a great song. It's on Return to Cookie Mountain,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: their second album.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, second album. But it is the single from that album.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: And in 2006, they went on Letterman and fucking destroyed.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's fucking awesome.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: So you've seen this. You've seen this performance. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: There's a handful of Letterman performances from this era, like
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: TV on the Radio, The Strokes, and maybe a little
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: bit later, Father John Misty. They're just like these, oh, yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: moments that sort of define for me, like where I
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: was like, who the fuck is this band? You know
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: what I mean?
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: So anyways. Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So, but I mean, the song is fantastic and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: you can just hear the song and understand why it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: incredible and it's spooky and it's weird. And I still
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: don't know what the fuck it's about. To me, it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: like Halloween, but the live performance, the Letterman performance is
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: just like, oh my God. Yeah. And they exist as
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: a live band anyways. I think we've talked about them before.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I've seen them before. I saw them at the Paradise,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: which is a great venue to see them in. Oh, wow.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And- I'd love to see any band at the Paradise.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's so compressed and, you know?
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Unless you're behind one of the poles.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's true.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But they- I just, I cannot believe, I don't
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: even know how to categorize the performance on Letterman. It's
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: so rock and roll, but a new kind of rock
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: and roll, you know, that I didn't know existed until
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: I saw this.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Super cathartic.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's just great. It's just truly, truly great. Yeah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, do you find this song to
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: be spooky or is it just me?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I do.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: You do?
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's something like, it's not really sinister, but there's
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: something like kind of haunted about it, you know?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Totally. And I was shocked that it hasn't been in
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: a horror movie. And this is a great failing of
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: horror directors everywhere.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Seriously, yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: I'm sure TV on the radio, they're not being too like, no, no, no,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: you can't have a song.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so, yeah.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: It's in these TV shows. It's in One Tree Hill.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It's in Rescue Me. Now, I think I had multiple
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: songs in Rescue Me.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I at least had one. I know that. And my
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: point was, it wasn't hard to get a song in
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: to fucking rescue me.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Right, right, right.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: The Dennis Leary show. It's in a couple movies. It's
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: in a movie called Never Back Down. It's in a
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: thriller called The Invisible. It's in Kill Your Darlings, which is,
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: is that a documentary?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: No, I think that has something to do with the
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Beat Poets.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's a Beat Poetry movement.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: But it is in Spider-Man Brand New Day, which I
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: think is the most recent Spider-Man. Huge one. Must have
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: been huge for the song.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: That's like the biggest movie of all time or something
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like that, I think, at this point.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: So like a whole other generation of people now know
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: what this song is, I'm assuming, based on that film.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: But not in a horror movie, which is kind of
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: fucking shocking to me. So that led me to think
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: of quintessential horror for me, horror sounding like score and soundtrack.
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: And we talked about this in this film, should we
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: play that? I don't think we talked about this song.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: So Goblin. Okay. Yes. And, and size original, original, however
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: you pronounce what I assume is the Italian verb.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Size original.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Thank you for rescuing me. But it's from, It's from Suspiria.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Is my pronouncing that correctly? Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: The soundtrack.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Which is a legendary Italian horror movie. Have you
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: seen it? Yes.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yes. I've seen it as well.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Argento.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Dario Argento.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Um, this song, it might be the creepiest song
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I've ever heard in my fucking life.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: It is just, uh, I don't know. I don't even
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: know how to describe it. Guys, you got to listen
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: to it. Size Original A from Goblin. Now, I got
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: duped out of about 70 bucks because I tried buying
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: this album on vinyl and I got some fucking For
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Cockta remake from the last couple of years. Oh, that's right.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Well, didn't Tommy, I think Tommy York did the soundtrack
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: for the remake one, but.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, I wish it was that. It's not. Oh, okay.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I'm so pissed because it was like advertised in a
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: way where they were really fucking pulling the wool over
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: your eyes. You know what I mean? If you weren't
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: paying attention, you know, like, oh, I'll pay 70 bucks
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: for this cool fucking, you know, Italian horror soundtrack.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: And I got this fucking purple vinyl monstrosity with kids
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: cosplaying as like, you know. film composers fucking imposers man
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: it's so bad i hate it um okay so those
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: those are my three those are goblin goblin tv on
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: the radio and uh the venom seven inch from ecstatic
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: peace but i do have one thing to mention here
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: which is i think really fucking interesting we you talked
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: about in that excellent exorcist episode that you wrote for
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: hollywood land at some point i don't think you talk
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: do you talk about mike goldfield in the in the
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: episode itself yes that's okay you do okay And you
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: talk about how, oh yeah, now I'm remembering, how freaking
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: couldn't find music for it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Well, he hired, he tried to hire real, like Bernard
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Herrmann and Lalo Schifrin and nobody could get it. Yeah,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the main guys.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: They couldn't do it. And then he finds the obscure
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Mike Oldfield tubular bells in the basement of Warner Brothers
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: or wherever the fuck, whatever studio was doing the movie.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: And Mike Oldfield, pretty obscure dude, right? He wasn't anything
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: before this. Well, I'm reading the Marianne Faithfull book. autobiography,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: which is, you know, it's one of the greatest music
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: autobiographies I've ever read.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: And she talks about her childhood, her school friend, Sally Oldfield,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: who got her into all this fucking witchcraft and the
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: occult and like turned her on to Crowley and all
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: this stuff when she was like in school, like pre
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: his tears go by pre Rolling Stones.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Sally Oldfield was the older sister to Michael field. Now
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: as I'm saying this, I'm wondering if it's Bloomfield. It's not.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: It's Oldfield because she mentions Tubular Bells.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Bloomfield is– that's the fucking– That's the blues guy from
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Dylan's band. Yeah, Dylan's band and I'm trying to– what's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: his fucking band?
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Who's the Mike and the Mechanics guy? That's who I–
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: I almost– my brain– That's Paul Carrick.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: That's Paul Carrick.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: No, Mike and the Mechanics.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no. Paul Carrick sang in Mike and the Mechanics.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: He's the guy from Genesis? He's not Mike from Genesis?
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think Mike's the guitar player, but Paul
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Carrick sang the big hit that they were some of
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: the big hits they had after he was in squeeze
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: for one record.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Oh damn.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Paul Carrick has this dude. He was in squeeze for
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: one record and he sings lead on tempted and tempted
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: is their biggest song. It's this wild thing about squeeze history.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Paul Carrick was in that band for that one record
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: saying tempted and it's huge. And then he left.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: And anyways, I thought that was the squeeze guy. What's
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: the squeeze guy's name?
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Glenn, uh, Hansard?
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: No, that's the guy who just died.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: We're all over the place. Glenn Tifford?
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Glenn, isn't that the guitarist for Judas Priest? See, now
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: we can just keep playing this game. Tipper Gore? What
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: were you saying?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Glenn Tilbrook.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Gore Vidal. Glenn Tilbrook, yes.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Glenn Tilbrook, sorry. Sorry, Glenn Tilbrook. I fucking love your band.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: He's great.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I just butchered your name.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: There's a thing out there that I don't think Glenn
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Tilbrook wants anybody to ever see. Maybe he does. I
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: could be wrong. but it's this like tour he went
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: on in like 2006, 2007. He's basically just showing up
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: at people's parties, like playing in America. You know what
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about?
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: No, I don't.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Tell me.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Oh man.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: It's, it's got midlife crisis written all over it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Oh man.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Check that out. That's my little side.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: You should also check out, there's some squeeze show from
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the early eighties that was broadcast on like MTV live.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: You can find on YouTube and it's like, they all
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: took like a handful of like speed and, And you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: know how fast those songs are anyways? It's like, it's like,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and Tillbrook's like wailing those incredible guitar solos, like super fast.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: It's awesome.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: So, but the, the moral of the story is Mike
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: Mechanic from Genesis sang. Yes, exactly. Yes. Okay.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Got it. All right.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: What do you got?
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Please call me Mike. Mr. Mechanic is my father.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: All right. Wonderful.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Listen, you know, I'm not a fan of like slasher
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: films of like, you know, like I'm just, I've never
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: really had a stomach for that sort of thing. And I'm,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I'm starting to get a stomach for it as I've
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: gotten older.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'm just not into that kind of stuff.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: Well, no, you're starting to become into it. Yeah.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: It's my, this is what happens. I have a son
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: now who this is his bread and butter. And so
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: he's opening my eyes to this other world.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: To like Saw and shit like that?
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Not Saw, no. There's a movie called Skinnamarink that he
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: wants me to watch that came out like a year
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: or two ago. He's obsessed with obsession like a lot
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of his friends are. It's just cool to like sit
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: with someone who's like connecting dots in a different way
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and opening your eyes to things.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: So these are three movies that I don't know if
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: they're necessarily like horror, horror films, but they kind of
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like are great for this time of year. Number one,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Peeping Tom. This is a movie from 1960. It's directed
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: by Michael Powell, who had this legendary run, Powell and Pressburger.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: They were this- English guy. English guys, right, filmmakers. They
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: made The Red Shoes, which is an incredible film. Black Narcissus,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: A Matter of Life and Death. I kind of learned
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: about these guys in the same way that I learned
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: about Muddy Waters through, you know, The Rolling Stones. I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: learned about Powell and Pressburger through Martin Scorsese, who was
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a longtime champion of these guys.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: He's always, always, if you read any Scorsese book, it's
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: the same way I know. I've never seen his movies,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: but Scorsese's always.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Talking about Michael Powell. Always talking about Red Shoes and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Michael Powell. So Michael Powell actually married Martin Scorsese's longtime editor,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Thelma Schumacher, right?
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I knew that. That's right, yes.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: And this film, Peeping Tom, when it came out in 1960,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it was hated so much. It was called holy evil.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It was called sick. It was called filthy. it was
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: hated so much by the British that they pulled the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: movie and it was like unavailable for years. And it
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: was actually Scorsese who was, who was able to sort
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: of like bring it back from the dead years later.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: The colors in this movie, just like in all of
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Michael Powell's movies are incredible. Like they're like acid pops,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: like colors everywhere. Right. And it's about this guy who's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: like a, a cameraman at a film studio, but he's
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: also a killer. He uses like a portable camera, to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: film these women as they die when he kills them.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: It's this movie about art and about voyeurism and the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: danger they're in, right? And it comes out, like, what,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a year or two after Rear Window? It's another great
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: movie about voyeurism. But if you guys have not seen
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Peeping Tom or any Michael Powell film, but for this
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: time of year, Peeping Tom is great.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: I think it was on Criterion. Criterion's, I don't know
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: what they're doing. They're in some fucking... lockdown dragged out
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: brawl with Samsung or something right now?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We're going on day like 22 that
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I haven't been able to watch the Criterion channel.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: For those who can't see, that's just like looked up
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: to consult his Criterion watch.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I have my Criterion watch. Yeah.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: To pull day 22.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: It's like days since an accident, you know, in like
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: a factory.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. well it's the worst time of all for
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: this to fucking happen yeah i know halloween season i
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: know we get none of that curated spooky shit from
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: criterion which i'm pretty sure peeping tom was part of
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: i think i had it light yeah i was gonna
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: watch it but well thanks criteria there were another way
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: to watch movies gone okay number two number two.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Number two 1968 hour of the Wolf. This is a
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: film by the great Ingmar Bergman. It stars Max von
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Sydow and Liv Ullman, two regulars in Bergman's acting troupe there. Bergman,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: for those that don't know, was a Swedish filmmaker who
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: was part of the great legion of... international filmmakers that
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: really inspired new Hollywood here in America. So, you know, Kurosawa, Bergman, Fellini,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Michael Powell, Michael Powell, all these people, right? Well, first
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of all, Bergman is so good at faces. And this
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: movie has like just faces, faces of like anguish and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: fear and rapture and all these things. This is a
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: very like nightmarish movie. It's about visions, it's about insomnia,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: it's about a painter and his wife living on this
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: island and the painter, Max Fonsito, is having all these
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: troubling visions. It's very Lynchian. And actually David Lynch, I believe,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: noted this at one point as like one of his
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: favorite movies. You can totally see like Lynch in this movie.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: But it's great. And again, I think it's his only,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's the only horror movie that, it's like
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: psychological horror. And I guess, you know, Persona is kind
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of a psychological horror movie too, but this is so
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: much more in like the horror lane.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Wait, what is this one called?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Hour of the Wolf.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Great title.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And it's black and white and it looks incredible.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Liv Ullman's face in this is just, I don't
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: know that anyone's face has ever looked better. And I
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily mean like beautiful, though it is at times.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: I just mean like the contours, the shading.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: The light expression. The lighting, the colorization.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: In a black and white film, I didn't mean colorization,
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: but you know what I mean. The way they're casting
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: the shadows on the face to give it depth and dynamics.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize that Bergman had a scary movie under
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: his belt.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: His Christmas movie, Fanny and Alexander, has become a yearly
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: watch for us. Great. It's great.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: He was pretty good. Okay, my third recommendation sticking with
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: black and white is a 1955 French film called Diabolique.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Not to be confused with, I think it was remade
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: at some point in like the 90s or something. And
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I never saw that. I don't know if it's good
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: or bad. I can neither confirm nor deny. But this
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: is a great movie about, it's very Hitchcockian about a
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: wife and a mistress of a principal at a boy's
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: boarding school. And they plot this revenge plot to kill him.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It's just super, it's like a revenge film that feels
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: like it's haunted. Like the way, like the way that
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: doors open and shadows creep in and stuff just feels
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: like a haunted film. It also has this 1955, it
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: has this like emerging French cool to it. One of
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: the actresses, the one who plays the mistress, Simone Signore,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: she wears these like dark, shades, these dark sunglasses that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: just communicates this element of French cool. You know what
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I know exactly what you mean.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Very much like they're getting ready for Miles Davis to
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: come in and make the soundtrack for Elevator to the
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Gallows and all that shit.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: They're getting ready for Miles Davis to come in and
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: show them how to dress.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Diabolique, Hour of the Wolf, and Peeping Tom.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Hey, have you seen... Those are great, by the way.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: I'm going to watch all of them. Criterion never gets
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: their shit together. No, I'll watch Peeping Tom probably is
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: easiest to find here, right?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably all pretty easy to find.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Have you seen the original Housemaid?
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: What do you mean the original Housemaid?
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: The one from 1960, Korean movie? The one that they remade?
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: They've remade it twice now. There's like a 90s, I think,
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: Korean version of it.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Is the Sidney Sweeney one? I thought that was based
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: on a book that just came.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Out, no?
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: No, that's based on the movie.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: No, man, I haven't.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Have you seen the Sidney Sweeney one? Yeah. You go first.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't like it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: It's not my thing.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I was texting with somebody about it. They'll remain nameless.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: And they were like, I mean, it's two hours of
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney. How can it be that bad? You know?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: I haven't watched it like intentionally.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: But I've been on enough planes in the last year
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: that I've watched it vicariously without sound because people around
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: me are watching.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: So I pretty much got the gist.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: And I knew it was a remake. I could just tell.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: I could just sense the remake-iness of it.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: I thought for sure you would have watched this. Kim Kai-yung,
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: don't quote me on that pronunciation, Mr. Pronunciation. The Housemaid
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: from 1960, landmark South Korea domestic thriller and horror film.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: And then it was remade in 2010. Lee Young-jae. I
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: always want to say Jung, J-U-N-G, as Young, like Carl Jung.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: But I don't think in Korean it's pronounced that way. Anyways, remade.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: The 2010, I watched the trailer the other night, the remake.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: The 2010 one looks fucking incredible.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: And I really want to watch that. But now I'm like, shit,
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I got to watch the 1961, man, which I think
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: I've actually had before, like long before the Sidney Sweeney
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: of it all. I think I actually saw that. It
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: was just on one day in my office and I
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: was kind of like intrigued by it, but doing other stuff. Wow.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it looks creepy as fuck. Sweet. The 2010
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: one does. I said 90s earlier.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: I was wrong.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: It's 2010. 2010.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: All right. Cool. Cool.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Cool. And I have a quick recommendation here for the
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: listeners who are probably way hip to this. I started
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: watching my first American Horror Story last night.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: And I watched the first episode of season 11, which
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: is the one that takes place in New York in
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: 1980s down in the meatpacking district with that killer that
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: you're referencing in The Exorcist.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: And I can't tell how much of this– I don't
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: want to– The bag murders? Yes. See, I don't want
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: to go into the Wikipedia of it all. Okay. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: I kind of want to preserve the surprise of the
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: storytelling here. There's so much of this filmmaking, I just
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: watched the pilot, that I can tell is informed by
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: real life historical, by the real world of that time.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: Like the specifics, there's this like bathhouse that they hang
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: out at. And there's this, like, I'm pretty sure it's
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: a woman and not a man in drag as a woman.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Like this Shantus who's, it's a bathhouse with like the baths.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: And a bar. Yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: And then the woman performing. Again, there's like a pool there.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: Like it's all too insane for it not to have
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: actually been a thing. Like no one would ever go like,
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, these people hung out at this fucking bath house.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: And in the bath, there was a fucking live performer
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: and a bar and some dude in street clothes and
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: then dudes in like nothing. It's just too random for
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: it to not be true. Like no filmmaker would do
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: that unless they were doing something fantastical. So the other
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: kind of murdery shit that's going on the serial killer
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: side of it, it's so extreme. And I'm like, God,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: is this like, and I'm vaguely remembering it from your script.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: But it's done really fucking well. I think you dig it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: And I've never watched an American.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Horror Story before. I haven't either.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: I haven't either. I mean, season 11 is a weird
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: place to start.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, that's a lot of fucking,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize, I thought there were like three seasons
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: of that show. I didn't realize there was 11.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think 13 is the one that just launched.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: Anyways, I'm digging it. I don't even know what it's called.
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: It's just season 11. I think it might be called
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: like 1984 or something like that.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: All right, cool. Well, there you go.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: There's some Rex.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Dirty Rex.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks, man.
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: You got your dirty Rex.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: Later, guys. Later.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: All right, gang.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: There you go. Halloween-themed dirty Rex. Songs to put on
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: your Halloween playlist. A couple of movies to fire up.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: I know I've already asked you the question, but if
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you've got more scary shit for us all here to
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: cram in the next few weeks, get at me and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: tell us all or forever hold your peace. 617-906-6638. You
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: can email disgracelandpod at gmail.com. Speaking of which, Sirius XM,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: which I listen to in my car, they have a station,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: a Halloween station, but the Halloween station is not live.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It's October 20th as I record this and the Halloween
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: station is is not live. It does not go live until,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I think, Thursday this week. What the hell is going
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: on at Sirius? Your Halloween station starts on October 22nd?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy, man. We carved pumpkins this past weekend,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: and guess what tunage we were not soundtracking that experience with?
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: It was not the SiriusXM station. So I don't know, guys.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: You got to reevaluate that plan. That's some bad programming plan.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll link in Jake's Halloween playlist that he has
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: over on Spotify somewhere. Maybe Matt can toss it In
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: the show notes, if I supply the link, we'll see.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, let's recap here, guys. Number one, first
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: of all, right now in your Hollywoodland feed, our episode
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: on Poltergeist. Number two, coming at you this Friday, we've
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: got a new episode of The Screening Room, and this
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: week I'm talking all about the 2017 David Lowery film,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: A Ghost Story. Number three, next week on Monday, we're
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: bringing you our fully scripted and sound design episode on
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Jane Mansfield. Number four, over in our sister show, Disgraceland,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: we've got a previously exclusive but new to most of
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: you episode on Alice Cooper. No more Mr. Nice Guy,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: shock rock extraordinaire, Hollywood vampire, very apropos to this time
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: of year. Check it out on Apple Podcasts, the iHeartRadio app,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Number five, this film
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: should be played loud, our video podcast on Patreon. We
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: got an episode on Gross Point Blank that's out right now.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: A new episode on Shaun of the Dead coming at
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: you a week from today. But remember, you can only
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: watch this film should be played loud on Patreon as
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: a member of Disgraceland All Access. And to do so,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: just go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. And now in
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: honor of this week's episode, Here's what America was watching
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: at the movies in June 1982, the month that Poltergeist
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: was released in theaters. Number one, E.T. The Extraterrestrial, directed
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: by Steven Spielberg. Number two, Rocky III, directed by Sylvester Stallone.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Number three, Star Trek II, The Wrath of Khan, directed
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: by Nicholas Meyer. Number four, Poltergeist, directed by Tobey Hooper.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: Number five, Firefox, directed by Clint Eastwood. Number six, Annie,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: directed by John Huston. Number seven, Diner, directed by Barry Levinson.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Number eight, Porky's, directed by Paul... Sometimes, that is better.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Cut it!