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  Speaker 4: of to the Roster, which is Shirilla the Killer, which
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I think you got the wrong information.
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  Speaker 5: This is the crash the twenty twenty six film featuring
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  Speaker 5: one of the Wu Tang members cousins.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that he passed away in and that's
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  Speaker 2: what I think. The official narrative is plotting the course.
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  Speaker 5: If you haven't watched this, this is in that true
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  Speaker 5: crime dream that TikTok Uh going viral. Uh Crash is
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  Speaker 5: the crash not to be confused with Crashed, the award
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  Speaker 5: winning DOT movie that is actually incredible.
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  Speaker 2: I love that movie. It's one of my favorite movies.
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  Speaker 5: Is It follows McKenzie, Shirrilla, the Dominic Russo and Davion Flank.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna butcher the name Flank. Yeah, you know
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  Speaker 2: the Irish Let me I get started on that where.
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  Speaker 5: Mackenzie and Dominic were in a relationship and it so
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  Speaker 5: happens that they went partying during a graduation uh time
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  Speaker 5: and a bunch of parties and they ended up crashing
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  Speaker 5: into the side of a building and Daveyon and Uh
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  Speaker 5: Dominic both unfortunately passed away and McKenzie is the only
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  Speaker 5: one that survived. And this whole film is dissecting the
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  Speaker 5: court case, what happen, talking to people that knew them,
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  Speaker 5: what they speculate happened. Who this Mackenzie was what did
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  Speaker 5: she do after the fact, and why she's guilty or
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  Speaker 5: not guilty.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty much the premise.
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  Speaker 5: Did she do this on purpose or was it just
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  Speaker 5: an accident of a bunch of teenagers that were drinking
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  Speaker 5: and doing drugs, and it goes through that whole course
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  Speaker 5: of these people.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird.
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  Speaker 4: As I was watching this, I didn't realize that's what
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  Speaker 4: it was supposed to be about. I thought this was
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  Speaker 4: about why women shouldn't drive. I'm kidding, I'm I'm kidding,
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  Speaker 4: I'm kidding, But this this is wild because you can
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  Speaker 4: spoil the entire documentary in one statement, So let me
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  Speaker 4: go ahead and do that. Now that the entire premise
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  Speaker 4: of the crash is that Mackenzie intentionally drove into a
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  Speaker 4: wall going almost like one hundred miles an hour and
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  Speaker 4: she was intending to just kill the person in the
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  Speaker 4: passenger seat and the person maybe behind him, which would
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  Speaker 4: have been Davion. It's not clear in this documentary if
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  Speaker 4: Davion was just collateral damage or if he was like
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  Speaker 4: part of this murder scheme. But what a wild premise, right, Like,
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  Speaker 4: in order to kill you, I'm gonna drive my car
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  Speaker 4: into a wall going one hundred miles an hour, and
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  Speaker 4: I guess just hope that you don't also die in
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  Speaker 4: the process.
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  Speaker 5: What I think is crazy too, is like how people
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  Speaker 5: pick these things to go viral, Like why is this?
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  Speaker 2: Like there's so many cases, right, Like what makes you
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  Speaker 2: in this scenario?
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just that they're like, Oh, I don't
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  Speaker 5: like this person, right, I don't like how they carry
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  Speaker 5: themselves because throughout the film they're trying to break down
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  Speaker 5: McKenzie and I've actually had the unfortunate or pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that depends on how you look at it.
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  Speaker 5: And I've watched two or three other documentaries about this,
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  Speaker 5: and I've also seen so many TikTok sleuves tell me
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  Speaker 5: what I'm supposed to think, right, like why it's good,
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  Speaker 5: why it's bad. So there's team McKenzie and then there's
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  Speaker 5: like team Dominic. It's a whole unraveling festival. But when
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  Speaker 5: you go through this, it's predominantly interviews of the father
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  Speaker 5: of Mackenzie and the mother of McKenzie, the father of Davion,
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  Speaker 5: the sister of Daveon, and then some friends and some schoolmates,
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the people that they're interviewing throughout the school.
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  Speaker 5: A few of them, You're like, oh, they hate her, right,
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  Speaker 5: they hate this girl. So I'm like, how am I
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  Speaker 5: going to get an unbiased opinion from this person. They're like, Oh,
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  Speaker 5: she most definitely did that on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know who this is?
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  Speaker 5: She hated people, She had a bitch list, right, she
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  Speaker 5: had a list of people she thought were bitches, and.
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  Speaker 1: You're mean girl. Yeah she was one of the mean girls.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a mean girl. Of course she intentionally killed it.
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  Speaker 5: And then you could even see at one point the
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  Speaker 5: god was I'm no body language expert, but one of
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  Speaker 5: the girls is talking about it and she was like
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  Speaker 5: and she's talking about her boyfriend Dominic, and you could
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  Speaker 5: see that She's like, she must like that boy, right,
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  Speaker 5: Like there, she must have had a crush on him
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  Speaker 5: or something, because she feels like the only connection is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: she was mean to me in high.
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  Speaker 2: School, right, And I'm like, okay, well that doesn't prove
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  Speaker 2: that this happened.
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  Speaker 5: The reason I got so invested in this is because
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  Speaker 5: a girlfriend shows me this and they're like, oh, this girl, Mackenzie,
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  Speaker 5: I hate her and this and that, and I'm looking
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  Speaker 5: at it through the lens of like, Okay, well you
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  Speaker 5: need to prove without a reasonable doubt that this happened
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  Speaker 5: because of how the court works, Like I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: It's like obviously there's some fault, right.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling your girlfriend this, you need to prove this
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  Speaker 1: reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of amped. Bro, Sometimes you get a
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  Speaker 2: little empt and she's like, well no, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: so they go through what they did.
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  Speaker 5: They're like, Okay, we thought at first they're just a
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  Speaker 5: teen couple they're partying.
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  Speaker 2: There's evidence of them partying.
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  Speaker 5: They're they're they're taking mushrooms and smoking weed and drinking
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  Speaker 5: right normal.
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  Speaker 4: I like the defense was part of that was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but your honor, she took mushrooms and smoked weed while
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  Speaker 4: driving all the time, so that was a prosecution. The
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  Speaker 4: prosecution was like, she did it all the time, so
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  Speaker 4: don't let them say that she was, you know, impaired,
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  Speaker 4: Like this was the normal way for her to drive
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  Speaker 4: on mushrooms.
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  Speaker 2: She only knows how to drive on mushrooms.
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  Speaker 1: She can't drive unless she's on mushrooms.
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  Speaker 5: And so then they start like unfolding, like where this
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  Speaker 5: like prosecutor who annoys me throughout the film? I don't
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  Speaker 5: remember his name, but throughout the whole entire film, he
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  Speaker 5: just annoys the hell out of me because he's like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, we're just thinking this is an accident.
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  Speaker 2: And then I start unraveling.
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  Speaker 5: Stuff, right he starts to make these connections of hey,
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  Speaker 5: like we have some cell phone footage of like Mackenzie
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  Speaker 5: kind of like being aggravated towards uh Dominic. Like again,
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  Speaker 5: the questions that are not asked is like why is
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  Speaker 5: a seventeen year old probably sixteen when it first happens,
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  Speaker 5: living with a twenty year old? Like why are the
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  Speaker 5: parents allowing it? She hasn't even graduated yet. That's something
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  Speaker 5: to me that needs to be asked. It's not asking
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  Speaker 5: this film once whatsoever. They just go through the footage
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  Speaker 5: of like, okay, she there was a plot that she
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  Speaker 5: wanted to kill Dominic because she wasn't it wanted to
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  Speaker 5: be an influencer. The core of this defense is she
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  Speaker 5: wanted to be an influencer, and she would do anything
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  Speaker 5: to become an influencer, including killing her boyfriend. And she
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  Speaker 5: was already having problems with him. And what's alluded to
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  Speaker 5: online and perspectives of people is that like her breaking
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  Speaker 5: up with Dominic, who seemed to be some kind of
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  Speaker 5: drug dealer or at least a house party whatsoever. He
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  Speaker 5: was making money an army crypto.
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  Speaker 4: He was probably like had some bitcoin or something that
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  Speaker 4: he had gotten lucky with.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's it's and then he was the life
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  Speaker 5: like he was the major player, right, all the kids
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  Speaker 5: were doing drugs at his house, who he had like
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  Speaker 5: a back house property with his parents.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's not like he just bought his own home.
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  Speaker 2: At first, they insinuated like it was his own home,
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  Speaker 2: and then you kind of find out like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: he's still living at home, but it's like a back house.
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  Speaker 2: It's just its own house.
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  Speaker 5: And they're insinuating that if they broke up that McKenzie
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  Speaker 5: would no longer be this influential person and having all
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  Speaker 5: these clothes and the expensive bags and this lifestyle change.
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  Speaker 5: So part one of the reason for her to kill
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  Speaker 5: him would be, hey, I won't be famous, which it
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  Speaker 5: also doesn't click in my head like right, like I'm
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  Speaker 5: like well, or they're like maybe she killed him to
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  Speaker 5: become famous. So then you're like this whirldwind of like
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  Speaker 5: what's going on? And they paint this picture of her like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: look at her on TikTok and she sings this viral
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  Speaker 5: song like my daughter. I've talked to her, I've talked
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  Speaker 5: to like, I have nieces and I have just younger
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  Speaker 5: generational people in my family, and they all do the
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  Speaker 5: same crap, like they've all done this song. And so
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, well that pokes a hole in the
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  Speaker 5: defense right there. The other thing they try to bring
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  Speaker 5: up is this fact of the black box from the
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  Speaker 5: car that I was going one hundred miles consistently without breaking. Now,
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  Speaker 5: this is where they kind of go back and forth
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  Speaker 5: of like, well, supposedly Mackenzie had this syndrome called pots
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  Speaker 5: that you can pass out, you can have seizures. So
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  Speaker 5: there's this up in the air of like, whoa, if
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  Speaker 5: she had passed out, then she would have turned this
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  Speaker 5: way and that way. So there's a lot of speculation
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  Speaker 5: in this court case. This is what kind of got
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  Speaker 5: me amped up. While I'm watching this, I'm like, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: this is all circumstantial evidence, like we can't it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Prove anything to me. But the major flaw in this whole.
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  Speaker 5: I won't even say the film because it's not where
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  Speaker 5: the film's fault and Mackenzie's defense is like you picked
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  Speaker 5: the wrong stupid lawyer. That was like, instead of trying
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  Speaker 5: to convince twelve people, I'm only going to try to
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  Speaker 5: convince one person. So they chose trial by judge instead
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  Speaker 5: of tried by twelve. I would take the try by
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  Speaker 5: twelve any day of the week because I have a
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  Speaker 5: better chance of making at least two Three people kind
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  Speaker 5: of question it enough to be like, m I can't
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  Speaker 5: convict her, but no, they had it just in front
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  Speaker 5: of the judge, and I think that was the whole reason.
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  Speaker 5: The circumstantial evidence was taken into account where they were
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  Speaker 5: able to paint her as like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this villain, this mean girl. Look, she's going one
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  Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour consistently, and to me, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: prove anything of it.
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  Speaker 4: To me, it's it's almost like did she try and
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  Speaker 4: kill everyone in the car or did she pass out?
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  Speaker 4: Those are the only real two options the premise. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: it's just beyond my capacity to process the logic, but
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  Speaker 4: to be like I'm going to slam this car into
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  Speaker 4: a wall and one hundred miles an hour and all
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  Speaker 4: somehow I'm going to survive and everyone else will die.
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  Speaker 4: How do you even like, how do you hit it?
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  Speaker 7: At?
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  Speaker 1: What angle are you hitting it? Are you like bracing yourself?
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  Speaker 4: If there was an extra point where they show in
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  Speaker 4: the footage where she like jumps out of the car
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  Speaker 4: right before it hits the wall, maybe now it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: that was an actual planned homicide or something. But the
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  Speaker 4: fact that she's in the car when it hits the wall,
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  Speaker 4: even when the cops show up, I think they just
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  Speaker 4: assume everyone's dead inside, and when they find that one
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  Speaker 4: person's breathing, then it's it's almost like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 4: how did anyone survive this? So that's part of it
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  Speaker 4: was did she want to just kill herself and everyone
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  Speaker 4: in the car or was it just like she passed out?
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  Speaker 4: And that is the evidence, right, The evidence is all
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  Speaker 4: comes down to that black box, and it shows how
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  Speaker 4: there was no turning of the wheel, no one hit
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  Speaker 4: the brake. It was just a constant accelerate, like literally
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  Speaker 4: one hundred percent acceleration pedal to the metal the entire time,
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  Speaker 4: and then it hits the wall. That's all the evidence
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  Speaker 4: that really comes in here. Followed by and she was
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  Speaker 4: a mean girl on top of that, so it's it's
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  Speaker 4: weird to me that it's even pitched as homicide versus
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  Speaker 4: an accident, when really it's almost like it was a
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  Speaker 4: suicide that went wrong and that she had extra collateral
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  Speaker 4: damage in there. But also when they're describing all of this,
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  Speaker 4: her defense is just that I blacked out, I don't
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  Speaker 4: remember any of it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: So here's the state saying, here's a black box showing
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  Speaker 4: full acceleration, drove directly into a wall, and here she
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  Speaker 4: is being a mean girl, versus I don't remember what happened.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, and that was enough. I
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  Speaker 4: guess trial by judge to be found guilty, and I
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  Speaker 4: guess she got not consecutive but concurrent sentences, which technically
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  Speaker 4: means that if one gets overturned, the other one continues.
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  Speaker 4: But if she if nothing gets overturned, she only has
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  Speaker 4: to do like twenty five years for both of the deaths.
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  Speaker 4: If it was consecutive, it will be twenty five plus
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  Speaker 4: twenty five, but since it's concurrent, it's just one set
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  Speaker 4: of twenty five years for both deaths.
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  Speaker 5: And I think one of the key things of the
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  Speaker 5: evidence that kind of sway the judge is when they
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  Speaker 5: show Dominic had recorded McKenzie like they were obviously having
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  Speaker 5: a frantic scene or whatever, and she's like, let me
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  Speaker 5: in the house, Let me in the f and house,
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  Speaker 5: and like I'm gonna break the window.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, look how violent she was.
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  Speaker 4: I'll drive a car into a wall going one hundred
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  Speaker 4: miles an hour and kill us all.
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  Speaker 5: And then this is a flaw of this film because
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  Speaker 5: since I had the benefit of watching a couple other
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  Speaker 5: of the films, they have a guy that comes forward
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  Speaker 5: that claims to be Dominic's friend in the film and
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  Speaker 5: he's like, hey, like, you know, I overheard her saying
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  Speaker 5: that I'll crash this car, you know, and kill us
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  Speaker 5: both or something like that over the phone. Well, watching
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  Speaker 5: other documentaries, it turns out that that guy was Mackenzie's
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  Speaker 5: ex boyfriend, like they used to date. So there's like
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  Speaker 5: we're twists, like you're like, why wouldn't you mention that?
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  Speaker 5: That seems like an important fact that you should show us.
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  Speaker 5: And then also the mother like not only did she
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  Speaker 5: show that, but she shows a text message where she like,
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  Speaker 5: I guess they had to pull over the car because
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  Speaker 5: she said she was going to kill them both. And
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: that he's text mesic to the mom dominic. The kid
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  Speaker 5: that passed away is like, hey, she's crazy. So somehow
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  Speaker 5: they pulled over on the side of the road and
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  Speaker 5: someone picked them up, which I'm like, well, why didn't
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  Speaker 5: she crash right then and there?
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  Speaker 2: And then there's like more stuff to be alluded to.
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  Speaker 5: So I just think that the evidence in general, I
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  Speaker 5: think obviously she should be held accountable.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously she crashed the car. I'm with you.
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  Speaker 5: The debate should be more, was she suicidal or was
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  Speaker 5: she passed out, whether because of the syndrome she has
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  Speaker 5: or because of the drugs they were taking.
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  Speaker 2: Because this was at five am in the morning, they
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  Speaker 2: were partying. The one thing that they do I.
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  Speaker 5: Won't allude to in this film that's annoying as well
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  Speaker 5: is that they don't allude to the point of like, well,
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  Speaker 5: how long were they partying? They're talking about graduation parties
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  Speaker 5: where they like going to parties like for the last
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  Speaker 5: two weeks, Like were they drinking and doing ecstasy and
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  Speaker 5: doing mushrooms and like you no getting poor sleep?
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  Speaker 2: Like was that an equation into this? But they don't
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  Speaker 2: even go that at all. They just say, if you.
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  Speaker 4: Talk about the toxicology report and the talk apology record
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  Speaker 4: came back and said that she was completely sober, no drugs,
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  Speaker 4: no alcohol, nothing in their system when it happened, So
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  Speaker 4: that that ends up getting used by the prosecution as like,
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  Speaker 4: here's more evidence that it wasn't like a different mental state,
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  Speaker 4: that like, she was fully cohesive and had premeditated.
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  Speaker 3: All of this.
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  Speaker 2: Well, allegedly on TikTok, there's like a FOIO request.
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  Speaker 1: TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: According to TikTok, there's a recording.
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  Speaker 5: I can't verify, right, I don't have a foy I
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  Speaker 5: didn't do a foil for all this, But there's like
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  Speaker 5: an audio of where the police are trying to get
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  Speaker 5: her blood work and the drug testing, and then the
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: nurse he's going through getting through the ringers sent to
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  Speaker 5: this and that's why kind of seems real to me.
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  Speaker 5: They're like, oh, no, you gotta go to this department. No,
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  Speaker 5: you gotta go to this department. And it turns out
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  Speaker 5: that they did not drug test her that day, They
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: did not take a peace sample. They didn't even take
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  Speaker 5: her blood until four days later, So the closest sample
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  Speaker 5: they got was four to five days after everything happened.
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  Speaker 5: And when you're talking about alcohol and you're talking about
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  Speaker 5: mushrooms and possibly like no ecstasy. I'm not saying they
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  Speaker 5: didn't really mention that, but those drugs are out of
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: your system relatively quickly, right, So I think that that's why. Again,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: her lawyer was horrible. I was like, dude, I could
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: have count I could have quarterbacked this from my fucking
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: ended a better job than this schmuck. Right.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: He just he was there for a check. That's it.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: He didn't care. Maybe he thought she was guilty. He's like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: I don't care. Fuck this little girl. She's an idiot, Like,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he had.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: This documentary might be the launchboard to your new career
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: as an attorney, is what you're saying.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty much on the brink of it.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: So it turns out spoiler alert, she's found guilty by
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: the judge, like you said, sends.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Her to twenty five years consecutively.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: And then, of course, with the big reveal, after we've
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: seen everything and the supposed evidence and what happened and
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: everybody's speculation, now we're gonna hear from McKenzie, right, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: McKenzie very interesting as well. Is like I'm assuming she
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: has a new lawyer. But like how she came out like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: I'm like, she almost dressed like a trolla, like you know,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: like with her hair up. Like I just thought like
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: it had this gang banger mentality.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Mind you, this is in Ohio.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Maybe I would get it if it was in California, Like, hey,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: you know you're in the prison system. Now it's differently,
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: it's like you're in Ohio, Like why are you acting
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Mexican and having your hair butt in your chola? Now?
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: As soon as I saw that too, It's it's funny
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: because right now one of the TikTok trends.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: It was like she missed her calling.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Like if if there was anyone that was born to
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: be a white girl eating kool Aid flavored pineapple slices,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: it would be Mackenzie Sherrilla the Killer, Right, She's one
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: of those people that would be like eating like oh yeah,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: this is.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Good, this is good.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And the fact that she was in jail right as
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: that trend started, I guarantee you she probably saw some
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: of those videos and something in her head was like damn,
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Like if I just waited another month, I could have
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: been one of these kool Aid, Pineapple, TikTok celebrities.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: When she starts talking, though, it ruins everything for her,
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I think because you can tell that she was not
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: coached very well like me, or you could have coached
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: her much better, bro like, like there's no sincerity, Like
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: she's kind of like trying, like she's trying at first,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: you're kind of getting her story and she tries to
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: act a little innocent. She should have played more of
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: the role that she did in the courtroom and did
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: like the Hey, I'm just a young little girl, just
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know what I was doing. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: don't remember anything of that day. But she kind of
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: gets a little bit of that catch me outside grow vibe, right, like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: h catch me outside?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: How about that? Like she she's kind of lean into it.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: And then like people are like now online, like again,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: this is not in the documentary, but I've had way
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: too much exposure to this, Like I wish people talked
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: about Timothy McVeigh nine to eleven and you know, even JFK,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: like I mean, even als for Crowley as much as
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: they talk about scenarios like this, but they don't.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So sometimes we have to cover stuff like this. But
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: you could tell she was coached poorly.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: And then towards the end of her interview, and they
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: showed this in the documentary, which I don't think they
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: were probably too pleased about.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: She turns back and like looks at her lawyer and
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, was that good? Like should I do? I
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: don't want to come off a little like this? Like
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: how should I come off like?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And you're like, wow, bro, I can cry if you
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: need me too, Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Tears are ready to go.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: So that's kind of the end of it where you're like,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: this is what you're gonna end on of her, like
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: really looking like a villain. And then this is the
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: reason I think TikTok went like wild far because you
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: have a perfect villain and when someone can either love
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: them or hate them, that's gonna go viral.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: I get a come down. This were the court case?
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Was this clearly murder? Beyond the shadow of a doubt?
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Was this murder? Or could it have been an accident?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know where are you at on that I
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: think accident.
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: I really believe in my thought process that like they
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: were kids, I'm sure they had fights a lot, Like
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: I don't even know if they were fighting that day.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: There's no evidence to show that, like except the only
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: evidence they shows like, look, how she took this turn
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: really slow, then she went really fast, and then just
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: like kind of doing a little bit more researcher for
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: what people say, they were like, wow, was she going
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: down that road? Well, it turns out some people believe that,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: like that's like an alternative route where there's less police,
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: which makes sense to me, Like these kids are getting
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: sucked up right, like they're doing mushrooms and drinking at
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: these grad parties. Do you think they want to go
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: where the heavy like more likely police are going to
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: be or where there's less likely And I know from
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: growing up that I've gone through many industrial areas where
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I'm like.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this will be safer for me not to get
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: pulled over. So I just think it's more of not.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know about an accident.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I think I'm with you either, and it was a
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: suicide attempt, Like where fuck it, I'm killing both of us,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: Like the relationships over. I'm a seventeen year old girl
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: full of emotions that this is the end of the
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: world to me, or drugs or her syndrome caused a
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: blackout scenario.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Where and it doesn't have to be in the core.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: On a murder case, it's either clear murder or it
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: could have been an accident. You don't have to prove
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: beond a shadow of a doubt that it was an accident,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: just that it could have been an accident. So yeah,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: the big downfall here was probably the lawyer, and then
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: also picking the judge, which I assume would have been
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: part on the lawyer. The lawyer probably would have pushed
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: you towards either jury trial or judge trial.
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Hidden treasures in overboard moments. I don't know any hidden treasures.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe you have some, I mean, I guess there's some
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: we can allude to, but boy do I have over
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: more moments.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about hidden treasures.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I think the hidden treasure here might be a word
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: of caution that if you post being about that life
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: on TikTok or whatever, even if that's not you, even
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: if you're just doing as a persona, you could literally
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: be found guilty of murder later on in life just
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: because you wanted to be a mean girl and say
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: catch me outside a few times for like the TikTok
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: clout that like here is a legal precedent where that
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: can be used against you to paint a bad character
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: of you. And now people are trying you as if
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: you murdered somebody. Even I don't have a judgment one
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: way or the other, you know what I mean, But
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: it seems like if you're building this case against yourself,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: just maybe don't.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: And I think maybe I could give it a hidden
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: treasure would be also like the only importance of this
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: film to me is like what you said setting precedent,
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: Like if you do not have to prove murder, this
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: is what got me ampt am about the case at all.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: It's like, I'm like, you have to prove it to me,
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Like you can't just be like yeah, maybe, Like you can't.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: It can't be a maybe. It has to be without
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: a reasonable doubt, Like you have to be like, yeah,
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: this is the evidence that proves that she killed and
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: they don't have that, And then people are taking it
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: as like oh you're I'm like, I'm not siding with
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: this girl.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: I could care less about this kid, right, Like it's
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: not about that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: It's because if this says precedent, then this fucks us all,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Like it makes it horrible for all of us, because
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: then if we're getting tried for something that they no
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: longer have to prove without a reasonable doubt, Like it's like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: well maybe he did, maybe he didn't good enough for me.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And also the other one would be like, be careful
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: who like research your lawyer, man, Like, make sure that
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: they know what they're talking about.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Man, don't just pay some guy because you've seen him
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: in the back of an ad or a back of
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: a newspaper. You really got to do research when you're
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: using a lawyer, because that was bad advice on bad advice.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: It's about that time the crash twenty twenty six, think
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: or swim.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Uh, I'm not gonna beat around. I'll just give it
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: a sink just because I don't really care a whole
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: lot about that. I mean no disrespect to like the
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: people that died. The story itself, I don't really understand
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: why that big of a deal. If if this were
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: just framed as, hey, do you think a seventeen year
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: old girl might have gotten extra emotional and slammed a
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: car to what I've I've been in a car with
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: someone it's like, I will drive this car off. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: might have been like with my parents at one point,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: it's like, I will drive us into oncoming traffic if
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: you don't shut up back there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So it's a very real threat. I guess this is
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: just can I be convinced that someone made good on
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that threat? Absolutely?
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Do I think that there was enough legal precedent and
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: like evidence to actually convict someone. This is this is
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: where I think the US court system is really interesting
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: in a way, and I guess adapted from like Greek
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: and Roman or whatever, but that the intent of thing matters,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: sometimes even more than what actually happened, because that's what
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: delineates between like homicide and manslaughter or just oops, it
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: was an accident and you know, here's just like a
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: civil offense over it. So if someone can prove that
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: you maliciously intended to do something and it was premeditated
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: and all these extra checkboxes, even if the exact same
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: end result car drives into wall, people die, even regardless
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: of how that outcome is, it's like, well, did you
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: mean to do it? And where you being like mean
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: while you meant.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: To do it?
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Like all of those extra little things kind of add up.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: And I think it's a fascinating premise of this. Right,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: So she gets caught right in the middle of that,
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: and ultimately, uh yeah, she's in jail and two people died,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: and I think that's kind of the end of the story.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: There's not really like a deep conspiracy here. I don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: know why this is the one that takes hold.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: I really do think it's just because it's a white
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: girl that lays edges and would otherwise be TikTok famous
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: eating kool Aid pineapple slices.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: For me, this is a Titanic sync right, Like this
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: is a big giant sinker. I don't like how they
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: presented any of this information. It just gets me the
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: feel of psyops like mkotra, like this is how they
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: get people to change their mind on things of like ooh,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: this is the new enemy. This is how we're gonna
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: get people like stuck in these viral sensations. Because one
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: of the things that they brought up in court that
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: just irritated the hell out of me. Like, first of all,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: you can criticize the girl for like, oh, after the crash,
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: like she was like all about Instagram. You're like, that's
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: what kids are about, right, She's wrote in posts, oh
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: for she went to a concert, don't doubt it, bro Like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, yes, like is that insensitive? Like, but that
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: doesn't paint you as a villain, right, Like you can
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: be insensitive or who knows, everybody mourns differently.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's good or bad.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: I'm like, and but this is the evidence are stacking
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: up against you and then going and then she dressed
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: up as a zombie on Halloween and and it turns
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: out that it was a Playboy Cardi's makeup, and it's
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: like that does now if she literally dressed up like
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: she was rand over or like something like a sea.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Belt wrapped around her neck or something.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, something more like into the crash, I'd be like, okay, yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: but no, they're like making this more fantastic than it
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: really was. I think it was two emotional teens that
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: were partying a lot and either A she wanted to
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: commit suicide or be she fell asleep, right.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: And it turned into being an example of like I
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: guess and since it was just the judge doing it,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: but it almost feels like this is a judgment against
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: that persona on TikTok, like no one should act mean
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: on TikTok. And that was essentially what the judgment was about.
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: It wasn't about a specific person involved in this case.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: It was like everyone piling on against this archetype. It
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: would almost be like if you had a judge rate
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: you know, are mean girls bad? Like yeah, of course
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: they are, yeah, And that's what it was all about.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: It was just like people feeling a certain way.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: You could even argue the judge might be like, man,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: she it's triggering that emotion of somebody that pissed you
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: off in your life, and now I hate it, instead
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: of looking at for what the facts are being like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: could she Is it possible that she killed them on purpose?
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Sure that is possible, but you can't prove that she
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: planned this whole thing out, and like she wanted to
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: do it. It seems like it was a split instant thing.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: And if she wanted to kill them, she also wanted
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: to kill herself. Because she was medically lifted to a hospital,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: like she could have also died. She may be just
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: lucky that she was the only one wearing a seatbelt,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: whether that saved her life or didn't. There's many instances
• 28:33
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• 28:36
  Speaker 5: she rolled out of the car and was like haha,
• 28:38
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• 28:41
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