Latest / Ryder Lee / Showtime with the Cube The Last of Us S2 EP5 Review
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- 0:00Speaker 1: This would call me home guard because he easily has account name.
- 0:04Speaker 1: We're to change.
- 0:07Speaker 2: I've got the immaculate one with us once again, Lady.
- 0:14Speaker 1: What are you doing? Man?
- 0:16Speaker 3: What's up? Brother? I'm so glad that this thing is
- 0:18Speaker 3: about to be over with Brown, we only got two
- 0:20Speaker 3: more episodes, Thank god.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Bro.
- 0:22Speaker 3: This thing is complete and utter dog shit trash, and
- 0:27Speaker 3: I am ready for it to be over.
- 0:31Speaker 1: A crash and burn? Are you saying that we were
- 0:34Speaker 1: kind of face and burn on this one?
- 0:36Speaker 3: Crash and burn running off of a cliff, hit it
- 0:39Speaker 3: with a train, a meteor, a fucking moon claps the
- 0:45Speaker 3: moon in on a super nova. This ship. Just get
- 0:48Speaker 3: rid of it, dude, is garbage.
- 0:53Speaker 1: Uh?
- 0:53Speaker 2: And if you guys are not aware of what we're
- 0:56Speaker 2: speaking about, of course, righter here with us the last
- 1:00Speaker 2: of Us?
- 1:01Speaker 1: Episode five? Okay, episode fine.
- 1:06Speaker 2: We had to do three and four and into into
- 1:08Speaker 2: one one big show, so if you haven't caught.
- 1:13Speaker 1: That yet, definitely go check that out. Okay, check out
- 1:17Speaker 1: all of this.
- 1:18Speaker 2: All right, Maybe the show is not as great as
- 1:22Speaker 2: it should be, but I believe our commentary as will work,
- 1:25Speaker 2: so that.
- 1:27Speaker 1: Scope that out.
- 1:28Speaker 2: But episode five, okay, we've got a little bit of
- 1:34Speaker 2: action here.
- 1:37Speaker 1: It's kind of feeling of a little bit of action
- 1:39Speaker 1: going on its steel. I still can't fully now.
- 1:47Speaker 2: They tried to grasp it at the end, which you know,
- 1:51Speaker 2: it started moving us towards that, but I'm really missing,
- 1:56Speaker 2: like Allie's complete psychotic break to where anything is in
- 2:01Speaker 2: their way is getting put down nothing but unfiltered, unmitigated,
- 2:07Speaker 2: unregulated rates. I think that's what I was looking all right,
- 2:15Speaker 2: I'm not quite all right, not quite net.
- 2:20Speaker 3: Yeah, that is what I want to do. That is
- 2:22Speaker 3: what I wanted from the very beginning. And it's too
- 2:24Speaker 3: little too late. It's too little too late, cubed for
- 2:29Speaker 3: this to happen at the end of this episode. And
- 2:32Speaker 3: the next episode is going to be one giant freaking flashback,
- 2:35Speaker 3: which is a whole other story which is completely retarded.
- 2:39Speaker 3: But okay, this whole triangulating the radio signals and like
- 2:46Speaker 3: all that, like that should have been the first thing
- 2:50Speaker 3: that they did, Okay, But instead they've made this entire
- 2:54Speaker 3: show about the relationship between Dina and Ellie, and I
- 2:58Speaker 3: still don't know exactly what the main mission of this
- 3:02Speaker 3: entire thing is. They have hardly brought up Joel at all.
- 3:07Speaker 3: Joel being murdered. They didn't. They screwed all this up
- 3:10Speaker 3: with the three month time jump and from the second
- 3:14Speaker 3: to third episode. They should not have done a three
- 3:15Speaker 3: month time jump. They's screwed everything out. Okay, should not
- 3:19Speaker 3: have done it, but that should have been the first
- 3:21Speaker 3: thing that they did. But instead we went into this
- 3:24Speaker 3: whole romantic relationship finger bang, last of the finger Bang
- 3:29Speaker 3: of the Last of Us. Okay, And they should have.
- 3:34Speaker 3: They should have immediately went instead of doing this relationship nonsense, garbage.
- 3:39Speaker 3: They should have went to the WLF facility where they
- 3:42Speaker 3: found the walkie talkie. They should have brought it back.
- 3:46Speaker 3: Ellie should have. We should have already have ran into
- 3:49Speaker 3: somebody by now. We should have already have ran into
- 3:52Speaker 3: someone in the third episode from Abby's Crew. Okay, you
- 4:00Speaker 3: didn't have to be old girl shaved Head. Which there's
- 4:02Speaker 3: a lot of controversy rolling on about her right now
- 4:05Speaker 3: with this new game by Naughty Dog that's coming out
- 4:08Speaker 3: that's called Intergalactic or whatever. There's like this whole other
- 4:12Speaker 3: big controversy with her. Okay, So not only do you
- 4:17Speaker 3: have the controversy with her being in the show, with
- 4:20Speaker 3: a new game by Naughty Dog, which Naughty Dog was
- 4:23Speaker 3: the one that created the Last of Us games. But
- 4:26Speaker 3: you also have the big controversy with Ellie in the
- 4:29Speaker 3: Last of Us. So you have two different people with
- 4:31Speaker 3: two different controversies going on, and the show getting supposedly
- 4:37Speaker 3: review bombed. Okay, that's what they're calling it, is that
- 4:41Speaker 3: these toxic masculinity people are going in and review bombing
- 4:50Speaker 3: the show to drop the rating on Metacritic, IMBB and
- 4:55Speaker 3: Rotten Tomatoes. Okay, that's what they're They're they're putting it
- 4:58Speaker 3: out for the public that's going on, and they never think, Oh,
- 5:01Speaker 3: maybe we're just making a complete shit show. Maybe this
- 5:06Speaker 3: show is just garbage, Maybe the writing sucks, maybe we
- 5:10Speaker 3: made a mistake by killing off Joel. Everything from the
- 5:14Speaker 3: knowledge that I've gained from looking into this is the
- 5:18Speaker 3: exact same complaints that people have with season two of
- 5:22Speaker 3: the show. Is the exact same complaints that everybody had
- 5:26Speaker 3: with the second game. And what they did with the
- 5:30Speaker 3: second game is they tried to say that it was
- 5:33Speaker 3: a bunch of inceel people like gamers that didn't like
- 5:39Speaker 3: the second game, so then they just kept re releasing
- 5:42Speaker 3: the entire thing. But now they're realizing that their writing
- 5:44Speaker 3: just fucking sucks. The show just sucks. They should have
- 5:48Speaker 3: rewritten it to be better. They should have taken all
- 5:51Speaker 3: the complaints from all the people from the second Game
- 5:54Speaker 3: and fixed them in the writing of the second season.
- 5:59Speaker 3: But they didn't, and they somehow made it worse. From
- 6:02Speaker 3: what I've gardnered from everybody that's been talking about this,
- 6:08Speaker 3: the even the things that they liked about the Second
- 6:11Speaker 3: Game are not in the second season of the of
- 6:15Speaker 3: the Last.
- 6:16Speaker 1: Of Ox right now.
- 6:19Speaker 2: One of one of the things that I'm saying different
- 6:24Speaker 2: themes across the board, you know, you could say game.
- 6:30Speaker 2: The thing about the stake of Game is that you
- 6:33Speaker 2: you never knew what the hell uh you know why
- 6:39Speaker 2: Abby did what.
- 6:40Speaker 1: She did until like way down the line in the game.
- 6:46Speaker 2: Also, if I'm correct, Billy never really knows why Abby
- 6:52Speaker 2: killed Joe. But that's she she never really knows. She's
- 6:59Speaker 2: no it happened, but they never get into the details.
- 7:03Speaker 2: Nora didn't tell her, you know, down there while they're
- 7:07Speaker 2: in the basement at the hospital.
- 7:10Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you know, Joel killed her father,
- 7:13Speaker 1: like you didn't know that.
- 7:16Speaker 2: Now, the biggest complaint that some of the complaints that
- 7:19Speaker 2: people had about the end of the stately Woman's fact. Uh,
- 7:23Speaker 2: the Elie didn't kill she let her go, let her live,
- 7:27Speaker 2: they said, after all, you didn't keep you didn't got
- 7:30Speaker 2: to the and it's not a cliche and a whole
- 7:35Speaker 2: lot of films, you know, Uh, if if I killed
- 7:40Speaker 2: them and I keep the cycle of violence going, and
- 7:44Speaker 2: I'm just as bad as they are, well, I mean,
- 7:48Speaker 2: you didn't already kill they were like abby, you didn't
- 7:50Speaker 2: kill hundreds of people on the way too, like you know,
- 7:55Speaker 2: you know so well.
- 7:57Speaker 3: The whole thing is just I don't know what direction
- 8:00Speaker 3: they're trying to go. Is this supposed to be woman power?
- 8:03Speaker 3: Is this supposed to be the freaking muffing for surviving
- 8:08Speaker 3: the apocalypse? Is all that you got to be is lesbian?
- 8:11Speaker 3: Is that? It is? That? What they're trying to tell
- 8:13Speaker 3: us how you survived apocalypse ex cube is you just
- 8:18Speaker 3: gotta be gay? That's it. But okay, let's just tell
- 8:21Speaker 3: you even if we were to take the gay stuff
- 8:23Speaker 3: out of it, and honestly, I really don't care that
- 8:26Speaker 3: too much about the gay stuff whatever it is, what
- 8:28Speaker 3: it is, But even if you were to take look
- 8:31Speaker 3: past all of that stuff within the show, what are
- 8:35Speaker 3: you left with You're left with nothing. You're left with
- 8:40Speaker 3: a very lacking story that has horrible writing that makes
- 8:46Speaker 3: absolutely no sense with this mission to them going to
- 8:50Speaker 3: Washington to get revenge for Joel. It's not even about that.
- 8:54Speaker 3: And then we get toward the end of the episode
- 8:57Speaker 3: we finally see her kind of like rage oob. But
- 9:00Speaker 3: that's the main thing. Like, I don't even know why
- 9:03Speaker 3: I'm continuing to watch the show. If we weren't doing
- 9:05Speaker 3: this doing the show on this, I wouldn't even watch it.
- 9:10Speaker 3: I wouldn't, but I would have watched the first season
- 9:13Speaker 3: because this first season was freaking great. But I don't
- 9:16Speaker 3: understand their angle. They've spent the last two episodes building
- 9:22Speaker 3: up Ellie and Dina as like this power couple that
- 9:27Speaker 3: can survive this and go in and take out all
- 9:30Speaker 3: of these people and get revenge for Joel's death. Okay,
- 9:36Speaker 3: and then they come in and completely undercut that entire
- 9:39Speaker 3: thing with Jesse showing up and saving.
- 9:41Speaker 1: Them at the perfect time.
- 9:45Speaker 3: So what are they? Are they badass lesbian people that
- 9:48Speaker 3: can handle themselves no matter what the situation is and
- 9:51Speaker 3: find Joel's killer and take her out, or are they
- 9:55Speaker 3: helpless and stupid I mean the first ten minutes of
- 9:58Speaker 3: this entire episode setting up how stupid elliotts.
- 10:04Speaker 2: Yeah, they got her as like a dumb ass, like
- 10:06Speaker 2: she didn't know how to do anything, She can't read
- 10:08Speaker 2: a map, she doesn't have.
- 10:10Speaker 1: A plan, you know. And and actually then I had to.
- 10:18Speaker 4: Had to give her the reason why she was going
- 10:20Speaker 4: to find Abby to kill her, you know, because she
- 10:25Speaker 4: she then it talks about the first people she had
- 10:27Speaker 4: to keep for the first person she had to keep, and.
- 10:30Speaker 3: Then I always like, let's just go back to Jackson,
- 10:33Speaker 3: Like what the fuck, like, are you kidding me?
- 10:36Speaker 1: Right now?
- 10:37Speaker 2: I was supposed to see unfiltered rage by unfiltered like
- 10:41Speaker 2: and look, some people are like.
- 10:44Speaker 1: When they see in the movies, what do they look?
- 10:48Speaker 1: You don't even care about that.
- 10:49Speaker 2: If they gave me some unrealistic Ellie going through slicing folks, Achilles,
- 10:54Speaker 2: cutting the throat, shoot another person in the face, almost.
- 10:58Speaker 1: John wick s you know type thing, I would.
- 11:01Speaker 2: Be completely fine with it, because you know, it would
- 11:03Speaker 2: it would be the concept that like this this amount
- 11:06Speaker 2: of rage and revenge, uh, that she that's on her
- 11:10Speaker 2: mind and it's kind of taken over her soul and
- 11:13Speaker 2: her whole spirit to where anything that's in her way,
- 11:16Speaker 2: she's looking to smish it out.
- 11:17Speaker 1: I mean, that would even make it more exciting. You
- 11:19Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
- 11:20Speaker 2: You can put her in some dangerous situations and tussles,
- 11:22Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, her, her unfiltered range
- 11:26Speaker 2: would be able to overcome those situations.
- 11:29Speaker 1: Dude.
- 11:29Speaker 3: I read this article, okay, from the producers of the
- 11:32Speaker 3: show that said that they purposely, purposely, purposefully whatever people
- 11:39Speaker 3: will get yell I mean, for my pronunciation of words
- 11:41Speaker 3: here XQB, so I don't know what the fuck the
- 11:43Speaker 3: name of the word is. Purposely or purposely who knows.
- 11:47Speaker 3: I want to go with purpose because I'm from the
- 11:50Speaker 3: South and that's the way that I'm going to say it.
- 11:52Speaker 3: But I read an article, okay that said that the
- 11:57Speaker 3: producers of the show took out the scenes of Eli
- 12:02Speaker 3: going through and murking people on purpose. They took the
- 12:06Speaker 3: they didn't want that in there, and they took all
- 12:10Speaker 3: of that out for the relationship aspect between her and Dina.
- 12:15Speaker 3: So they fevered Elie going through her vacation romance with
- 12:21Speaker 3: Dina over Ellie being a badass and murking and killing
- 12:26Speaker 3: people and trying to find Abby.
- 12:29Speaker 2: We need we need the murk, Like that's what I
- 12:32Speaker 2: was looking for. I was like, okay, Joe died. It
- 12:35Speaker 2: was it was you know, I mean, you want to
- 12:38Speaker 2: talk about a life alter a moment right near in
- 12:40Speaker 2: front of your eyes, you see him get beaten to death.
- 12:42Speaker 1: They stabbed in the neck, like I was looking.
- 12:44Speaker 2: Would saying, Okay, so you know, folks are going down,
- 12:47Speaker 2: you know, fasten in a herb, and you know for
- 12:51Speaker 2: the most part, hey, she's going to take it out
- 12:55Speaker 2: one person.
- 12:56Speaker 1: That's the that's the person that when they were in
- 12:58Speaker 1: the theater, she stabbed him in the neck.
- 13:00Speaker 3: What she struggled to do that to begin with, Okay,
- 13:03Speaker 3: let's get into some of the things that I did
- 13:05Speaker 3: like about it, because we're gonna shoot on this thing
- 13:07Speaker 3: for the whole hour. But I want to get into
- 13:08Speaker 3: a few things that I did like because some people
- 13:10Speaker 3: will be like, oh, well, you're just sure, you guys
- 13:12Speaker 3: are sing almost took them the whole time. One of
- 13:14Speaker 3: the things that I did like was from the cult
- 13:16Speaker 3: religious people whenever they went into the forest. But again,
- 13:23Speaker 3: that didn't even really make any sense either, because you're
- 13:25Speaker 3: telling me all these serahphite people that is part of
- 13:29Speaker 3: this religious cult or just out in the woods with
- 13:32Speaker 3: giant freaking torches immediately alerting everybody to their exact location.
- 13:38Speaker 3: And they got bunted bows and guns and sticks and
- 13:42Speaker 3: knives and shit, they don't have any guns, broy could
- 13:47Speaker 3: the military dudes that are prepared that has guns could
- 13:49Speaker 3: literally go into that forest and murk all those fools
- 13:52Speaker 3: right then and there.
- 13:55Speaker 2: You heard what they say, Oh shit, in the park.
- 13:56Speaker 2: Don't go in the park. I mean, it's just funny
- 14:00Speaker 2: because they're there. They've got that what that they got
- 14:03Speaker 2: that cellingar because they whistled and somehow it bounces all
- 14:06Speaker 2: objects kin be able to see ship.
- 14:10Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're telling me that fifty people out in
- 14:13Speaker 3: the middle of the woods with torches are going to
- 14:16Speaker 3: be able to get those torches out in a quick
- 14:19Speaker 3: enough time period when soldiers are moving in and has guns.
- 14:24Speaker 3: I don't think so, brother, That's just the ridiculous part.
- 14:27Speaker 3: But the cool scene was whenever he's stuck that it
- 14:32Speaker 3: was a sickle or whatever, Yeah, and ripped them out
- 14:37Speaker 3: from the thing. That was a badass scene. But again,
- 14:39Speaker 3: we don't we don't understand anything about them. We don't
- 14:45Speaker 3: know what their deal is other than that they're worrying
- 14:48Speaker 3: with the w L LEFT people. That's all that we know.
- 14:51Speaker 3: And then we had the introduction of the new big
- 14:54Speaker 3: bad guy, new Big balls. Do we haven't seen Abby
- 14:58Speaker 3: since he's since episode two? We haven't you know, we
- 15:03Speaker 3: don't know what. And then they introduced this new guy
- 15:05Speaker 3: in the beginning of the last episode.
- 15:10Speaker 1: And he went in five and.
- 15:11Speaker 3: He wasn't in five, Like, what is going on? Bro?
- 15:15Speaker 3: This this ship makes zero sense. What are they doing?
- 15:20Speaker 1: Yeah?
- 15:20Speaker 4: Because uh, yeah, it is weird.
- 15:24Speaker 2: Because okay, so Isaac is in the game, all right,
- 15:28Speaker 2: kind of pseudo leader.
- 15:30Speaker 1: Of w l A. And and I do I do
- 15:35Speaker 1: that that the particular actor I can't think of his name.
- 15:38Speaker 2: I love him as far as in his uh, in
- 15:41Speaker 2: his roles in movies, he's got like a I don't know,
- 15:44Speaker 2: like a certain aura to him that just like I don't.
- 15:47Speaker 1: Know, just atract like I don't know.
- 15:49Speaker 2: He he has camera prinsence, you know, you can certain
- 15:51Speaker 2: actors have camra princes and so uh. One one of
- 15:55Speaker 2: my favorite roles that he played in was a born
- 16:00Speaker 2: Walk Empire.
- 16:02Speaker 1: He was one of the he was one of the
- 16:05Speaker 1: bootlegger king pins. He was on the Black Side. Uh.
- 16:09Speaker 1: And I still remember this to today, all right.
- 16:12Speaker 2: He walked up to one of the black guys who
- 16:16Speaker 2: supposedly UH had sexually assaulted a woman that they knew,
- 16:24Speaker 2: and he.
- 16:24Speaker 1: Said, it's just a Negro in question, right up, man,
- 16:32Speaker 1: Like that's a free press. Uh.
- 16:35Speaker 2: But HBO uses him a lot. He's he's been in
- 16:38Speaker 2: Warlwalk Empire, his hb A.
- 16:40Speaker 1: He was in Westboro with his hb A. He's in
- 16:43Speaker 1: this show. So I think I don't know if HBOS
- 16:45Speaker 1: just got the rights to it. Look, we read all right,
- 16:49Speaker 1: when we make up, we're gonna call you up. Uh.
- 16:51Speaker 1: But I thought I was gonna see a little bit more.
- 16:54Speaker 2: Of Isaac uh in this particular episode, whatever his motives are.
- 16:58Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit of more of the warn with
- 17:01Speaker 1: the stars. Maybe I figure out what we got going
- 17:03Speaker 1: on there.
- 17:04Speaker 2: But I really feel like this this season is uh,
- 17:09Speaker 2: it's drowning now really quickened.
- 17:12Speaker 1: But it's a little thing, you know. Uh. The only
- 17:15Speaker 1: thing we've really gotten is that uh, you know, Alien
- 17:18Speaker 1: lost the virginity okay to the pin taking virgin all right,
- 17:24Speaker 1: and Na's not Does that count you?
- 17:28Speaker 2: I don't know if the So it's an insertion. Well,
- 17:31Speaker 2: I don't know, was it just the second is that
- 17:34Speaker 2: the Mormons somebody can move the bed. He can bounce
- 17:40Speaker 2: the bed, but they're thrusting. You can put it in.
- 17:45Speaker 1: You can't thrust it, but you can kind of bounce
- 17:48Speaker 1: the bed and have it moving.
- 17:51Speaker 3: Like what.
- 17:56Speaker 1: I'm just like, I mean, if I'm already in like that,
- 17:59Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, it's hand in. Okay, so are
- 18:02Speaker 1: we going to let this thing happen?
- 18:09Speaker 2: But uh but yeah, we kind of got a mismatch
- 18:14Speaker 2: of stuff going on.
- 18:16Speaker 1: And you know, we've seen Isaac.
- 18:20Speaker 2: We're like, okay, he's obviously a prominent character leader wlft.
- 18:24Speaker 1: And then there's an episode five and we don't see
- 18:28Speaker 1: him in life. I was like, well, why why don't
- 18:32Speaker 1: we see him?
- 18:35Speaker 3: You know, why don't we see him? Why don't we
- 18:38Speaker 3: see Abby? Like this is not a traditional way to
- 18:44Speaker 3: tell a story. The plot points are all over the place.
- 18:47Speaker 3: They have absolutely no idea what they're doing. The writers
- 18:51Speaker 3: on this thing suck giant, huge clips. Okay, And as
- 19:01Speaker 3: well as the audience being lost, they are just one lost.
- 19:05Speaker 3: They don't know where to go, and everything seems so rushed.
- 19:10Speaker 3: It's so rushed. I mean, this episode was only like
- 19:12Speaker 3: forty five minutes long.
- 19:13Speaker 1: Bro, that's what my girlfriend did.
- 19:16Speaker 2: She's like, is that it's not never short.
- 19:19Speaker 3: It was s I was like, I was thinking to say, like, bro,
- 19:23Speaker 3: if you're going to do a seven episode season, you
- 19:27Speaker 3: got to make every one of those episodes almost feature
- 19:30Speaker 3: the movie long.
- 19:32Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 19:33Speaker 3: Okay, that's the makeup for the other three episodes that
- 19:38Speaker 3: you're not putting into the series. Okay, So they're severely
- 19:43Speaker 3: rushing this entire thing. They have no idea where they're
- 19:46Speaker 3: going with the story. They're they're making everything about the
- 19:49Speaker 3: relationship between Dina and Ali when that should be secondary
- 19:54Speaker 3: to the main plot, the main story. But then when
- 19:56Speaker 3: you find out that Ali doesn't even freaking kill Dina, Like,
- 20:00Speaker 3: what's the point? What's the point of this whole thing?
- 20:06Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what's crazy about the episode thing
- 20:10Speaker 2: is that I Mean and and Or even got twelve episodes.
- 20:17Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I'm saying, it's I means
- 20:22Speaker 2: has been atracious, but Angor is good.
- 20:25Speaker 1: But it's like, so this this season needs five more episodes.
- 20:33Speaker 1: It needs twelve episodes.
- 20:35Speaker 2: With what we've gotten so far, so we can just
- 20:37Speaker 2: kind of triangulate on what we're what we got and
- 20:41Speaker 2: what season three is going like, or season three needs
- 20:44Speaker 2: to be fifteen episodes.
- 20:46Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 20:46Speaker 2: I don't know which one it's gonna be, but you know,
- 20:49Speaker 2: I feel I feel like we're gonna be We're gonna
- 20:51Speaker 2: be leaving a whole lot on the table here.
- 20:53Speaker 3: See, whenever you do something like this and whenever you
- 20:56Speaker 3: rush it and you have a limited amount of time
- 20:59Speaker 3: and everything feel really discombobulated. There's not really any singular
- 21:03Speaker 3: plot that's all over the place. You can't set up
- 21:07Speaker 3: any of the characters properly. That was my main complaint
- 21:12Speaker 3: of the very first episode. We don't know who an
- 21:17Speaker 3: Abby is. Okay, I have no idea who Abby is.
- 21:21Speaker 3: She just shows up at the grave, and you're supposed
- 21:23Speaker 3: to put two and two together on your own, that
- 21:28Speaker 3: Abby's that this has something to do with the hospital
- 21:32Speaker 3: and Joel going through Joel going through there and murking everybody, Okay,
- 21:37Speaker 3: you're you have to put that together on your own.
- 21:39Speaker 3: If you're just a if you never played the games,
- 21:43Speaker 3: you got to put this shit together on your own.
- 21:44Speaker 3: And I don't like that when it comes to this
- 21:47Speaker 3: style of this type of story, that they're doing this
- 21:52Speaker 3: apocalyptic story. It's just supposed to immerse you, and you're
- 21:56Speaker 3: supposed to understand these characters. You're supposed to have good
- 21:59Speaker 3: could can character development and character background and character story
- 22:04Speaker 3: or building. But you do wrote any of that in
- 22:08Speaker 3: this in this show, in this season, they just put
- 22:11Speaker 3: these characters in there and then expect you to know
- 22:15Speaker 3: who they are and figure out that they're the bad guy.
- 22:19Speaker 3: They're the ones that you're supposed to hate. You're supposed
- 22:21Speaker 3: to root for Ellie. And at this point, dude, I
- 22:23Speaker 3: want the Clickers to kill a Dina and in Freaking Ellie,
- 22:27Speaker 3: I want the Clickers to win. Bro, I want Isaac
- 22:32Speaker 3: to kill Ellie. I want Happy to win.
- 22:38Speaker 2: Uh we had we got somebody on Get for comedy
- 22:42Speaker 2: and shout out to Bill Ramsey for her stellar performance.
- 22:45Speaker 1: She had demonic eyes murdering more and then.
- 22:48Speaker 2: Look at the end, I thought that's when they really
- 22:50Speaker 2: tapped into the psychotic nature of her.
- 22:52Speaker 1: And I don't think the actual problem is Bella Ramsey herself.
- 22:55Speaker 2: It is just more of how how they're trying to
- 22:57Speaker 2: write this this particular season.
- 23:01Speaker 3: I got nothing against ball Fine, I have everything to
- 23:06Speaker 3: do with the writers and what they've given her to
- 23:09Speaker 3: work with, she can have that.
- 23:11Speaker 2: I feel like they're tip toeing, like they don't want
- 23:13Speaker 2: to put too much over the top violence in I
- 23:15Speaker 2: think that's that's how it feels. I don't know if
- 23:19Speaker 2: you feel the same way. And at this point in time,
- 23:24Speaker 2: like that's what it should be. We should already have
- 23:28Speaker 2: a lot of the characters have flushed down. We also
- 23:31Speaker 2: need to need to have some type of interactions with
- 23:34Speaker 2: and with Abby and just seeing what her everyday life's
- 23:37Speaker 2: looking like.
- 23:37Speaker 1: Because in the game, you actually play as.
- 23:40Speaker 2: Abby like but you don't even know why Abby kills
- 23:46Speaker 2: Yo like this.
- 23:49Speaker 1: That's the way this thing, this thing kind of plays out.
- 23:52Speaker 3: Well, they set this whole thing up cube for us
- 23:54Speaker 3: to be sympathetic against Abby, but we know absolutely nothing
- 23:58Speaker 3: about Abby. She has not had any character development. We
- 24:01Speaker 3: don't know what's going on with her. We don't know
- 24:02Speaker 3: where she is. We don't even know if she's in Washington.
- 24:05Speaker 3: We haven't even seen her since the second episode. Okay,
- 24:07Speaker 3: so how are we supposed to fill anything for her?
- 24:13Speaker 3: And what people are theorizing is that the whole third
- 24:16Speaker 3: season is going to be from Abby's perspective.
- 24:22Speaker 1: Four season.
- 24:26Speaker 3: I don't know, but you should be setting these people up,
- 24:30Speaker 3: but they're not. They're focusing on the relationship between Dina
- 24:34Speaker 3: and Ali, which makes this zero sense to do. I
- 24:37Speaker 3: do not care about the relationship. If you're gonna have
- 24:40Speaker 3: the relationship in there, make it secondary to the main plot.
- 24:43Speaker 3: But instead it is the main focus of the entire show,
- 24:46Speaker 3: which detracts from the main purpose, which is revenge for Joel. Okay,
- 24:54Speaker 3: we have very little setup for Isaac. They threw in
- 24:58Speaker 3: one scene that was a two minute scene of them
- 25:01Speaker 3: in the back of the van, and then he throws
- 25:03Speaker 3: the grenade into the tank and blows everybody up, and
- 25:07Speaker 3: then we're just supposed to believe that he's a he's
- 25:09Speaker 3: a bad guy, when we don't even really know the
- 25:12Speaker 3: reason that he even did that. And then we have
- 25:14Speaker 3: the next scene is him torturing that other dude, which
- 25:18Speaker 3: he's a black guy and he's torturing a white guy.
- 25:21Speaker 3: It just seems just like all this fucking like like
- 25:26Speaker 3: propagandist type shit. And then you have the like supposedly
- 25:34Speaker 3: the entire second game is in reference to the Palestinians
- 25:38Speaker 3: and like Israel, like that's the guy that created and
- 25:45Speaker 3: wrote the second game that that was like his whole
- 25:49Speaker 3: like his influences was the Palestinians in Israel. Like he
- 25:54Speaker 3: sees the Palestinians as like this religious like cult, this
- 25:58Speaker 3: religious Zelots cult. And and that's of the people in
- 26:01Speaker 3: the woods that are at war with the with the Israel,
- 26:05Speaker 3: and the Israel is the w all.
- 26:07Speaker 2: Off to to respond to, hey, hey, we love people
- 26:14Speaker 2: leaving continence in there. That that makes the everything more liable.
- 26:19Speaker 2: Respond to callum up here. Yeah, yeah, we we understand
- 26:24Speaker 2: the about the about Abby and the dad because it
- 26:28Speaker 2: kind of it kind of just lays it out directly
- 26:30Speaker 2: in front of you. I was making some connections with
- 26:32Speaker 2: the game because there's a couple of people when.
- 26:34Speaker 1: The last of the season's come out, all of a sudden,
- 26:36Speaker 1: it's all over ten.
- 26:37Speaker 2: You know, people compared it to the game. Uh, and
- 26:40Speaker 2: so in the game, you don't really know, like it's
- 26:42Speaker 2: you're left in the dark, uh until kind of near
- 26:46Speaker 2: the end. But uh, the issue that I have right
- 26:50Speaker 2: now is that Abby has barely been in it.
- 26:55Speaker 1: Uh.
- 26:55Speaker 2: So, I mean I don't know how she's dealing with
- 26:58Speaker 2: things or anything when she feels relieved and she's still
- 27:03Speaker 2: in grief.
- 27:04Speaker 1: If she like.
- 27:07Speaker 2: Because in a way, shows are supposed to make you
- 27:10Speaker 2: love and hate them, all right, and.
- 27:14Speaker 1: You're so disconnected from.
- 27:17Speaker 2: When Joel's died up until right now that you're like,
- 27:22Speaker 2: Abby's almost an afterthought just with the way they're approaching things.
- 27:26Speaker 1: I know they mentioned her name, but.
- 27:30Speaker 2: In practice of how they've actually constructed the season.
- 27:35Speaker 1: It hasn't really given you anything to hold on too
- 27:40Speaker 1: if you don't know anything about the game, you know, uh, and.
- 27:43Speaker 2: I take this from there's my girlfriend's or son in law. Ah,
- 27:51Speaker 2: he was, he's been watching it. He's like, man, I'm
- 27:53Speaker 2: kind of lost interest because it's just like, like what's happening?
- 27:57Speaker 2: You know, it's just like, okay, Joel's doing and it's just.
- 28:01Speaker 1: Like we've got episode three, four and five and just
- 28:06Speaker 1: it just an't leak.
- 28:07Speaker 2: It's not a whole lot of need on them.
- 28:12Speaker 3: The entire the entire thing is hinging upon Ali and
- 28:15Speaker 3: Dina's relationship. That's that. That's the entire show. That's all that.
- 28:19Speaker 3: It is like that, and they think that that is
- 28:21Speaker 3: a big enough plot point to keep people coming back
- 28:24Speaker 3: every week. But it's been diminishing reviews every single episode
- 28:28Speaker 3: since the second episode, Like some some reports are saying
- 28:35Speaker 3: that a fifty percent drop between episode one and episode two,
- 28:39Speaker 3: and then subsequent fifty percent drops after episode two. So
- 28:43Speaker 3: every new episode of this show has seen a fifty
- 28:48Speaker 3: percent drop in viewership. That's just reported. I don't know
- 28:54Speaker 3: if there's any fact, but it has to be. Everyone's
- 28:57Speaker 3: feeling this this type of thing. Unless you're like freaking
- 28:59Speaker 3: like super hardcore and freaking love this shit, then you
- 29:06Speaker 3: have lost interest. Because I was willing to give it
- 29:10Speaker 3: a shot. After Joel died, I was like, Okay, they're
- 29:15Speaker 3: going to have to bring out the big guns. Were
- 29:17Speaker 3: really going to have to get people invested in Alie.
- 29:22Speaker 3: But instead they've done the complete opposite. They've pushed everybody
- 29:26Speaker 3: away from Elie. And that's not because of the way
- 29:30Speaker 3: that she looks. Though they want to claim that it
- 29:34Speaker 3: has something to do with her and her being bisexual
- 29:39Speaker 3: or whatever in like real life, but it doesn't have anything,
- 29:41Speaker 3: not for me personally, has nothing to do with what
- 29:45Speaker 3: the actor is going. It's the writing of the show.
- 29:48Speaker 3: The writing of the show is complete and utter, total garbage,
- 29:52Speaker 3: and they don't know what they're doing. They don't know
- 29:53Speaker 3: what direction. There's too many plot points We have no
- 29:56Speaker 3: backstory on any of these characters. Everyone that is current
- 30:00Speaker 3: in the show that we've seen has besides Ellie we
- 30:07Speaker 3: have just met this season.
- 30:10Speaker 1: Were just like it almost okay.
- 30:16Speaker 2: So the tone is all because a lot of signs
- 30:20Speaker 2: that it almost seems like Ellie has too much.
- 30:22Speaker 1: Joy, you know what I'm saying.
- 30:26Speaker 2: And that's the fact that you know, her love interest
- 30:28Speaker 2: is right there and she you know how it in.
- 30:33Speaker 1: So like I think I think that's what I think.
- 30:36Speaker 1: That's one of the issues is the is the tone and.
- 30:39Speaker 3: Not only that excute Oh my god, this one made
- 30:42Speaker 3: me roll my eyes so freaking hard. The one in
- 30:44Speaker 3: the last episode was the eye roller, which was that
- 30:50Speaker 3: Ellie said that I'm going to be a dad okay whatever,
- 30:53Speaker 3: big eye roll. Probably one of the most cry that's
- 30:55Speaker 3: gonna go down as one of the most cringest moments
- 30:57Speaker 3: of But other than that, in this episode, whenever Jesse
- 31:05Speaker 3: shows up. Okay. So in the beginning of the episode,
- 31:09Speaker 3: uh Dina is triangulating the thing with the ruler or whatever,
- 31:13Speaker 3: and she's trying to figure out where the signals are
- 31:14Speaker 3: coming from so they can locate them and go there. Right. Well,
- 31:17Speaker 3: then Ellie shows up and was like, oh, yay, I
- 31:23Speaker 3: got the lights on. Well, one, why the fuck would
- 31:27Speaker 3: you want lights on in Washington when there's enemies all
- 31:33Speaker 3: around you and clickers and zombies and shit, you do
- 31:36Speaker 3: not want the lights on. Now, apparently that is from
- 31:40Speaker 3: the game too. They had lights on in the game. Okay, whatever,
- 31:43Speaker 3: that's a pass, it's a pass whatever. Okay. But then
- 31:47Speaker 3: later on whenever they get into the hoard, right whenever
- 31:51Speaker 3: they're trying to make their way to the hospital, and
- 31:53Speaker 3: they get into some trouble because every single time, this
- 31:57Speaker 3: is the second time. This is only their second out
- 32:00Speaker 3: with any kind of trouble. Okay, the first one they
- 32:03Speaker 3: narrowly escaped. They narrowly escaped that down in the subway. Okay.
- 32:07Speaker 3: If it wouldn't have been for all those clickers, they
- 32:08Speaker 3: had been gone. They'd been dead or captured or tortured
- 32:11Speaker 3: or whatever, Isaac would have them right now, Okay, So
- 32:14Speaker 3: they needed another plot point to get them out of
- 32:17Speaker 3: any trouble that they're getting in, which I did not
- 32:19Speaker 3: think that they were going to do this. I thought
- 32:21Speaker 3: that that was going to be Tommy, but it turned
- 32:22Speaker 3: out to be Jesse. So Jesse shows up and then
- 32:25Speaker 3: they give you that angle like it's kind of like
- 32:27Speaker 3: what Joel was doing, Like whenever Joel would come in
- 32:30Speaker 3: and savor, they kind of give you like the silhouette
- 32:32Speaker 3: of like what Joel would look like. And I was like,
- 32:35Speaker 3: hell yeah, right, hell yeah, this is fucking Tommy. Okay,
- 32:38Speaker 3: cool Tommy, somebody that looks like Joel. That is Joel's brother. Sweet,
- 32:41Speaker 3: But it turned out to be Jesse. Okay, no big deal.
- 32:44Speaker 3: But the thing that is a big deal. Okay, cute
- 32:48Speaker 3: and you're gonna one agree with me. Whenever Jesse explains
- 32:53Speaker 3: to them how he found where they were, do you
- 32:58Speaker 3: remember this? Whenever he's like, whenever Dina or Ellie was like,
- 33:03Speaker 3: how did you find us? Okay, he said that he
- 33:08Speaker 3: went to.
- 33:08Speaker 1: The fucking man.
- 33:10Speaker 3: Yeah, he went to the lit up theater that has
- 33:14Speaker 3: all the fucking lights on, that had a detailed planned
- 33:19Speaker 3: map out on the table of exactly where they were
- 33:22Speaker 3: going and what they were doing.
- 33:27Speaker 1: Yet, Eddy straight, I forgot. I tried to. I think
- 33:30Speaker 1: in my mind tried to erase that. I think that's
- 33:35Speaker 1: what happened. Really, these people are stret.
- 33:39Speaker 3: These two the one hundred and no more than two
- 33:42Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty pound girls are so dumb. They
- 33:48Speaker 3: left the lights onto the theater whenever they left, and
- 33:51Speaker 3: they left the map detailing all their plans in the
- 33:55Speaker 3: precise location, out on the table with enemies all around them.
- 34:02Speaker 3: Anyone could have stumbled into that theater and found that, yeah.
- 34:11Speaker 1: This is true, this is this is absolutely true. And
- 34:18Speaker 1: that's I think.
- 34:19Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it almost it's like bird for brains,
- 34:22Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Bird for brain now right,
- 34:25Speaker 2: And we said we were gonna talk about what we liked.
- 34:31Speaker 2: They will flow back now I here, okay, so let
- 34:34Speaker 2: me let me go. I did, like, all right, the
- 34:38Speaker 2: interaction with the stalkers all right, h every how short
- 34:43Speaker 2: lived it was, but it's like, okay.
- 34:45Speaker 1: This one, we got a plan here what we're gonna do.
- 34:47Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, there's like ten of them
- 34:50Speaker 1: for fuck okay, so uh dena run and hide?
- 34:54Speaker 2: Uh in this case, And I didn't realize that the
- 34:58Speaker 2: stalkers could just rip.
- 34:59Speaker 4: The ca Jason, I'm like, uh, I mean, this ain't
- 35:05Speaker 4: got no strength like that.
- 35:07Speaker 2: I mean, even if you use it, you know, to
- 35:09Speaker 2: the maximum capability.
- 35:11Speaker 1: I mean, you ain't ripping a still okage A part
- 35:16Speaker 1: I didn't think you would be, but.
- 35:17Speaker 2: Obviously they can because they were ripping apart and get
- 35:20Speaker 2: the Dina. So I did like to see the stalkers again.
- 35:25Speaker 2: It was kind of weird when Jesse showed up. He
- 35:27Speaker 2: shot one and the rest of them was like, oh ship,
- 35:28Speaker 2: there's a man here, you know, and so.
- 35:32Speaker 1: They babe, they were like two women, we got this.
- 35:35Speaker 1: Oh oh shit, a man, let's get out. Uh. Now,
- 35:38Speaker 1: Jesse did say that Tommy was there and they split up,
- 35:41Speaker 1: which makes no sense because you you don't you don't
- 35:48Speaker 1: know who I was here, So the last thing you
- 35:52Speaker 1: do is split up. We've seen too many horror movies.
- 35:55Speaker 2: Let's split up with a couple more grounds. It's just like, no,
- 35:58Speaker 2: don't split up. That's that's the worst thing you can do.
- 36:03Speaker 2: It's actually split up, all right?
- 36:08Speaker 1: What else I like? They did introduce the spores.
- 36:12Speaker 2: People weren't sure if they were going to introduce the
- 36:13Speaker 2: sports that was actually big in the game. They had
- 36:16Speaker 2: to wear gas masks all the time because the areas
- 36:18Speaker 2: they went through has spores, and uh, that is a
- 36:21Speaker 2: particular evolution of the courtyceps. It actually assimilates people into
- 36:28Speaker 2: it and and they remain alive.
- 36:30Speaker 1: They don't.
- 36:31Speaker 2: Actually, they're almost like on a life support and they
- 36:34Speaker 2: continually blow out these spores that effect other people. And
- 36:40Speaker 2: I guess they had the same thing corterceps start growing
- 36:43Speaker 2: around and then they start blowing out sports, which they
- 36:46Speaker 2: had a whole area blocked off, and we've seen the
- 36:50Speaker 2: the actual I guess one of the lieutenants, and she
- 36:54Speaker 2: had to lock her son down there, and uh, they
- 36:57Speaker 2: guess it's back into the bad once again, because you've
- 36:59Speaker 2: got this chick. She's crying and you're like, okay, she
- 37:02Speaker 2: like her son down there, so what like you don't
- 37:04Speaker 2: know who she is. So it's just like like I
- 37:08Speaker 2: maybe that was supposed to be a heartfelt moment or something,
- 37:10Speaker 2: but then she was crying. But I was just kind
- 37:13Speaker 2: of sitting there like that they want no emotion there
- 37:17Speaker 2: because who the hell is this, you know, this Asian chick, Like.
- 37:25Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, and that was kind of it, you know,
- 37:30Speaker 1: and you know, one of the dumbest things. And I
- 37:33Speaker 1: guess that you know, this happened to be in a
- 37:35Speaker 1: game as well. But it's.
- 37:38Speaker 2: I that the spores are down there, so it's just
- 37:40Speaker 2: like I'm gonna run down there now. If I'm thinking
- 37:43Speaker 2: about what she's thinking, She's like, Okay, I don't have
- 37:45Speaker 2: a weapon.
- 37:46Speaker 1: I can't kill Heley, but at least.
- 37:48Speaker 2: I can kill her by taking her down here to
- 37:50Speaker 2: these spards will both die. Probably she didn't know that
- 37:53Speaker 2: she was so that she.
- 37:57Speaker 1: Didn't work out well.
- 38:00Speaker 3: Of the things that I didn't like about the part
- 38:05Speaker 3: where they're getting ready to get to encounter to the
- 38:08Speaker 3: stalkers was that they did a two to three minute
- 38:10Speaker 3: dialogue between Dina and Ali about how not to not
- 38:16Speaker 3: to fire the gun. Okay, don't shoot the gun because
- 38:20Speaker 3: it's going to alert the soldiers to where we are.
- 38:25Speaker 3: And then Ellie is like, oh, you think that in
- 38:29Speaker 3: any situation that I'm in, I'm just going to start shooting,
- 38:34Speaker 3: and Dina is like yeah, and then immediately she starts shooting,
- 38:40Speaker 3: Like what was the purpose of having that conversation if
- 38:46Speaker 3: you were immediately start shooting, Like, it doesn't huh.
- 38:54Speaker 1: They got They've had all their stalks and they got nice.
- 39:00Speaker 3: And that reminds me of that Danny DeVito always Sonny
- 39:03Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, I mean, where he's like, anyways, I just
- 39:06Speaker 3: started shooting. And it also reminds me of that that
- 39:10Speaker 3: that an old Boondocks episode where the guy was like
- 39:16Speaker 3: selling go to the grocery store, get the milk, get
- 39:19Speaker 3: the eggs, get the butter, but don't go near that hospital.
- 39:25Speaker 3: And then the next scene was I immediately went to the hospital.
- 39:31Speaker 3: It's crazy. It doesn't make any sense. Why even have
- 39:35Speaker 3: that scene in there if you're just going to do
- 39:38Speaker 3: the opposite, Just do the opposite. What we're trying to
- 39:46Speaker 3: do is like subvert people's expectations. But it's just completely
- 39:49Speaker 3: falling flat. The whole thing is just falling flat. We
- 39:54Speaker 3: don't know who these people are, We don't know these characters,
- 39:57Speaker 3: and we and they expect the audience to feel for
- 40:00Speaker 3: these characters when we have absolutely no attachment to these characters.
- 40:06Speaker 3: The only person that anybody had an attachment to was Joel,
- 40:12Speaker 3: and they killed him in the second episode. That's it.
- 40:18Speaker 3: No one cares about any of these other people.
- 40:25Speaker 5: Nobody relationships and then now and what they would do
- 40:33Speaker 5: for each other.
- 40:34Speaker 3: Yeah, the big deal about they're putting out articles now
- 40:39Speaker 3: about Joel's big return to UH to the last of Us.
- 40:46Speaker 3: He's coming back. You know, we killed them, but UH,
- 40:50Speaker 3: but he's coming back. His big return in in episode
- 40:53Speaker 3: six which is just a flashback.
- 41:00Speaker 1: Wich, I'm getting to hook people back. What were you saying?
- 41:08Speaker 1: Go ahead?
- 41:10Speaker 3: They're trying to hook people back in with the with
- 41:15Speaker 3: the with the Joel stuff. But again it's it's too little,
- 41:19Speaker 3: too late, Like they had two decisions to go with
- 41:22Speaker 3: this whole thing, okay, is that they couldn't They didn't
- 41:26Speaker 3: have to follow the game, which we know that that
- 41:32Speaker 3: wasn't going to happen because Neil Druckman, he's an executive
- 41:34Speaker 3: producer on the series, and he's the one that wrote
- 41:37Speaker 3: the first one and the second one, and he's trying
- 41:40Speaker 3: to convince everybody that the second game is in this magnificent,
- 41:43Speaker 3: amazing game. When no one liked it, a lot of
- 41:48Speaker 3: people hated it, they keep re releasing it, keep putting
- 41:51Speaker 3: it out. They're trying and shoehorn it down people's throats, like,
- 41:54Speaker 3: oh no, this is really a masterpiece of a game.
- 41:57Speaker 3: It's really great when he's trying to force feed it
- 42:01Speaker 3: down people's throats. So the only way that they could
- 42:03Speaker 3: have cured this entire thing is by not killing Joel.
- 42:07Speaker 3: In the second episode, like I mentioned in the previous episodes,
- 42:13Speaker 3: is that Ellie gets captured, taken to Washington, Joel has
- 42:17Speaker 3: to go after her, and then he ends up dying
- 42:19Speaker 3: in Washington. Right, that would have been able to flesh
- 42:22Speaker 3: out all the other characters in the story, Like, no
- 42:27Speaker 3: matter how many times you hear about Joel dying in
- 42:31Speaker 3: the second game, everyone hated that. Nobody liked that. Okay,
- 42:40Speaker 3: no one liked that even when they were playing the games. Okay,
- 42:43Speaker 3: So they should have course corrected and done it differently
- 42:49Speaker 3: because they knew that the same thing was going to
- 42:51Speaker 3: happen here. And they've given us literally nothing to root
- 42:56Speaker 3: for any of the characters. The only thing that was
- 43:00Speaker 3: rooting for Ellie was getting revenge for Joel. But we
- 43:04Speaker 3: haven't even gotten that. We've gotten a freaking vacation love
- 43:10Speaker 3: romance trip to Washington, and up until this episode have
- 43:20Speaker 3: we gotten any type of little sliver of that revenge.
- 43:29Speaker 1: She should have already said.
- 43:34Speaker 3: They should have done this from the jump. They should
- 43:38Speaker 3: have been if they're trying to speed up this whole
- 43:39Speaker 3: thing and she hoorn all this garbage in there. This
- 43:41Speaker 3: should have happened in the third episode. We should have
- 43:44Speaker 3: had Ellie find her or somebody from that gang. How
- 43:48Speaker 3: many of them were there, like seven, like seven.
- 43:51Speaker 1: Of them the way.
- 44:00Speaker 3: Some woman should have been found in the third episode,
- 44:05Speaker 3: and then that could have given her more information on
- 44:09Speaker 3: where to find the others, okay, instead of Dina doing
- 44:13Speaker 3: her fucking stupid ass triangulation of the war. Oh then
- 44:21Speaker 3: that's another thing about the walkie talkies. Okay, Well, Dina
- 44:27Speaker 3: mentioned that they talk like no one's listening, right, and
- 44:30Speaker 3: then Ellie comes in and is like, oh, well, the
- 44:34Speaker 3: other group, the sterophytes or whatever, they don't use technology, okay, right,
- 44:41Speaker 3: they whistle, they do a little whistling and it alerts
- 44:47Speaker 3: everyone whatever. Okay, that's fine, but should you still not
- 44:51Speaker 3: as a precaution not say give away all of the
- 44:58Speaker 3: information through the walkie talkie. Just because that the Serapis
- 45:02Speaker 3: don't use technology and can't find where you are doesn't
- 45:05Speaker 3: mean that no other human they're operating like that. They're
- 45:09Speaker 3: the only other human group in the freaking right, bro,
- 45:16Speaker 3: They're stupid. Everyone's stupid in this show.
- 45:22Speaker 2: Now that somebody's a damn get shot and somehow in
- 45:26Speaker 2: the think of the Night, denn't get shot in the
- 45:28Speaker 2: leg with a air I said, how the are that
- 45:35Speaker 2: they in the bushes? Think of the Night? I said,
- 45:40Speaker 2: that's impressed. Sir was like that that that is absolutely impressed.
- 45:47Speaker 1: I was impressed on that.
- 45:49Speaker 2: I was like, okay, letskay, I hear y'all ser fights Hey,
- 45:54Speaker 2: like I said, they got that whistle and they got
- 45:55Speaker 2: that sonar.
- 45:57Speaker 1: That's what they got.
- 45:57Speaker 3: Okay. I don't know if you've ever been I'm sure
- 46:00Speaker 3: you have executed. I'm sure other people have been in
- 46:03Speaker 3: the like camping at night and like have a fire,
- 46:08Speaker 3: have like a bright light around Whenever you have a
- 46:11Speaker 3: bright light source in the middle of the night, you
- 46:16Speaker 3: cannot see any amount of distance other than what's immediately No,
- 46:24Speaker 3: you're right.
- 46:24Speaker 1: You're right.
- 46:26Speaker 3: If you have a freaking torch or if you have
- 46:28Speaker 3: a like any kind of light source that's around you,
- 46:32Speaker 3: like you can't see freaking more than five to ten
- 46:37Speaker 3: feet in front of you. The torch of fire is
- 46:43Speaker 3: meant to light up your just your immediate surrounding area.
- 46:49Speaker 3: The torch doesn't serve as a giant freaking flashlight like
- 46:52Speaker 3: a spotlight, to where you can see freaking hundreds of
- 46:57Speaker 3: feet in the distance.
- 47:00Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
- 47:01Speaker 3: If everyone's got they can literally only see five to
- 47:04Speaker 3: six feet in front of them at any given time.
- 47:08Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right about that. You've thought on about it.
- 47:13Speaker 1: It's bought only, but I thinks a little bit different
- 47:16Speaker 1: to right. It's the whistling. They were whistling back and forth,
- 47:20Speaker 1: and somehow that was triangulating the position. You know what
- 47:24Speaker 1: I'm saying.
- 47:25Speaker 3: You got the whistling triangulating the positions of them. You
- 47:28Speaker 3: got the freaking walkie talkie radio ham radios triangulating the
- 47:32Speaker 3: positions of the other ones. It's just like, what are
- 47:35Speaker 3: we doing here, guys, what are we even doing?
- 47:43Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not you.
- 47:45Speaker 3: And then we don't even know the motivations of these people.
- 47:47Speaker 3: We don't even know the motivations of the freaking cult
- 47:51Speaker 3: religious zolots.
- 47:55Speaker 1: We're not really by And this not gonna be explained
- 48:01Speaker 1: not this season because episode six is gonna be a
- 48:04Speaker 1: total flashback.
- 48:06Speaker 2: Now when uh, when Nora, when Ellie was talking to
- 48:13Speaker 2: Nora right before she beat her to death, and uh,
- 48:18Speaker 2: they said, hey, you know what, Joel, did you know
- 48:22Speaker 2: he killed Abby's father?
- 48:24Speaker 1: And She's like, yeah, I know. In the game she
- 48:26Speaker 1: doesn't know.
- 48:27Speaker 2: But this episode six is gonna be the whole premise
- 48:31Speaker 2: of Allie finding out or Joel telling Ellie that, yeah,
- 48:38Speaker 2: you know, I killed all the people at the hospital,
- 48:40Speaker 2: the safe and I'm assuming that we're gonna see some
- 48:46Speaker 2: of Eugene because they made it seem like he was
- 48:48Speaker 2: a big deacon.
- 48:50Speaker 1: So I mean, you got to you got to see
- 48:52Speaker 1: some Eugene in this one. I'm assuming we're gonna see
- 48:55Speaker 1: Joel have to shoot Eugene, That's what I.
- 49:02Speaker 3: Mean. I hope so, But even then, it doesn't redeem
- 49:05Speaker 3: these last three episodes that we've had. I don't think
- 49:10Speaker 3: that there's anything that they can do at this point
- 49:13Speaker 3: two redeem what's happened so far, not in my eyes
- 49:20Speaker 3: at least, like they're gonna have to pull some magic
- 49:23Speaker 3: freaking Jude ju the like.
- 49:31Speaker 1: There ain't much magically unless they's gonna be two hours
- 49:33Speaker 1: of piece.
- 49:36Speaker 3: They gotta be. They have to be longer. They can't
- 49:39Speaker 3: do two more forty five minute episodes.
- 49:43Speaker 1: Oh, this is too much to come the gang.
- 49:47Speaker 2: You want you want to you want people to feel
- 49:49Speaker 2: like that maybe they want to watch.
- 49:50Speaker 1: It next week. You want you want to give that feeling.
- 49:56Speaker 1: So uh, I think mean you can.
- 49:57Speaker 2: Both agree that it's been it's been a missed opportunity
- 50:02Speaker 2: like this, like this, there's so much potential here like,
- 50:06Speaker 2: I don't know, coming off the heels of the paint
- 50:09Speaker 2: which gave you, which gave you a full spectrum of emotion,
- 50:13Speaker 2: you can't you go from you know, the pain would
- 50:15Speaker 2: be a trans individual and you kind of sorry for him,
- 50:18Speaker 2: then you kind of reform. Then at the end where
- 50:20Speaker 2: he strangles Victor deaths boiler alert, you like your piece
- 50:23Speaker 2: of shit? Where's Batman? And whook their way as right now,
- 50:25Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like you get the full
- 50:27Speaker 2: spectrum of emotion, and he's a feeling, you know, and
- 50:31Speaker 2: you know he's a feeling. But God, but the way
- 50:35Speaker 2: they did that, the way they did that whole that
- 50:37Speaker 2: whole series, it was like it was perfect.
- 50:41Speaker 3: It was it had it to range it did, and
- 50:46Speaker 3: you understood it, and you understood the characters' motivations. Like
- 50:50Speaker 3: if you're gonna make people root for a bad guy,
- 50:53Speaker 3: you have to understand where they're coming from and understand
- 50:56Speaker 3: their perspective. Okay, you just can't shoehorn a person in
- 51:00Speaker 3: there like Abby and then expect people to root for
- 51:03Speaker 3: Abby that just came in and killed your most beloved
- 51:08Speaker 3: character of the entire franchise. Nobody is going to like
- 51:12Speaker 3: her and she hasn't been in three episodes so far,
- 51:16Speaker 3: and if you the entire next season with from her perspective,
- 51:20Speaker 3: no one is going to care. They're going to hate
- 51:22Speaker 3: it even more because you've done screwed up this entire thing, right.
- 51:28Speaker 1: Right right, she has no nuance at all.
- 51:30Speaker 2: So that I mean, that's that, that's a That's the
- 51:32Speaker 2: number one issue is that even even villains need screen time,
- 51:39Speaker 2: you know, the flesh out their character.
- 51:45Speaker 3: Amazingly. Is the way that they did Game of Thrones. Hey,
- 51:50Speaker 3: the way that they did Game of Thrones was freaking brilliant. Okay.
- 51:55Speaker 3: You had all these other characters that had already been
- 51:58Speaker 3: set up perfectly, and then they killed ned Stark at
- 52:03Speaker 3: the end of the first season. Okay, he was my
- 52:07Speaker 3: favorite character. He was everyone's favorite character in the first
- 52:12Speaker 3: season of Game of Thrones. Okay, off with his head
- 52:18Speaker 3: at the end of the first season, and you're like,
- 52:21Speaker 3: what the fuck. I can't believe they just did that?
- 52:25Speaker 3: Holy shit. Okay, but you came back. You came back
- 52:32Speaker 3: again because the show did nothing but get better, and
- 52:36Speaker 3: they had already set up all these other people. You
- 52:39Speaker 3: had Danny, you had the John snow up at the wall,
- 52:44Speaker 3: you had Rob Stark, which was the new you know,
- 52:50Speaker 3: King of the North. Okay, you had all these other people.
- 52:53Speaker 3: You had Jamie Lanister, and you had Taiwan Lanister that
- 52:57Speaker 3: was on his road trip. You had me those bike
- 53:00Speaker 3: in kings Land, and you had Sirus. You had all
- 53:02Speaker 3: these other people, and it was they knew that it
- 53:06Speaker 3: was safe to do it then because they'd already built
- 53:10Speaker 3: out the all these other characters then and then your
- 53:15Speaker 3: attention falls to Rob Stark, which is would be the
- 53:20Speaker 3: new King, and then you're like, okay, he's my favorite character.
- 53:22Speaker 3: Now he's great. But all the while they're building up
- 53:26Speaker 3: John Snow in the background at freaking at the Wall. Okay.
- 53:31Speaker 3: Then they're also building up Danny, and then they're also
- 53:34Speaker 3: building up Jamie. So then when it was time to
- 53:37Speaker 3: kill off Rob at the Red Wedding in season four,
- 53:41Speaker 3: it was like, okay, this is great, this this is cool.
- 53:45Speaker 3: It was very shocking. Everyone was shocked whenever that happened,
- 53:48Speaker 3: but we'd already learned that they kill off main characters
- 53:52Speaker 3: like that. They're like essentially nothing, right, But that's okay
- 53:57Speaker 3: because they have all these other characters that people are
- 54:00Speaker 3: growing to love within the show with the last of us.
- 54:04Speaker 3: Nobody loved Elli. They were like, Okay, she's there, she's
- 54:09Speaker 3: okay's she's likable, but we don't love her. She's not
- 54:14Speaker 3: the main driving force behind this show. And then the
- 54:18Speaker 3: Shoehorn and all these other characters that we know nothing
- 54:22Speaker 3: about in the second season that wasn't even in the
- 54:24Speaker 3: first season. Besides, like Tommy and some of the people
- 54:28Speaker 3: in Jackson, the time jumps killed this show. The time
- 54:36Speaker 3: jump screwed this entire freaking show wrecked it. They should
- 54:42Speaker 3: not have done any of the time jumps. There should
- 54:44Speaker 3: have been ten episodes and if it wasn't. If it's
- 54:47Speaker 3: not ten episodes, then it should have been uhur at
- 54:51Speaker 3: least an hour and a half seven episode series, And
- 54:55Speaker 3: there shouldn't have been What was the first time jump was?
- 54:57Speaker 3: It wasn't it like three years or something like.
- 55:00Speaker 1: That, three or five.
- 55:04Speaker 3: That's where they And it also gave no way to
- 55:09Speaker 3: the Joel character, Like, honestly, I didn't even feel really
- 55:14Speaker 3: anything for him whenever Abby was killing it because.
- 55:19Speaker 1: He didn't see we didn't see his transformation.
- 55:22Speaker 3: We didn't we didn't see any of it. We didn't
- 55:25Speaker 3: know what was freaking going on because they didn't explain it,
- 55:28Speaker 3: they didn't show it. They immediately did a three to
- 55:30Speaker 3: five year time jump in the first episode, and then
- 55:33Speaker 3: they did another three month time jump after Joel died.
- 55:39Speaker 3: We didn't get to see any of that. We didn't
- 55:41Speaker 3: get to see any of that character arc, any of
- 55:43Speaker 3: that character development. I literally gave two shits about Joel
- 55:47Speaker 3: whenever he died. I really did not care because we
- 55:53Speaker 3: didn't get to see him do anything, and it had
- 55:55Speaker 3: been two years since we had seen the last season.
- 56:00Speaker 3: Anything that I felt for him was two years ago.
- 56:05Speaker 3: I would have had to rewatch the entire first season.
- 56:08Speaker 3: And then, yeah, is that everybody had this remnant, this
- 56:18Speaker 3: thought in this memory of Joel being a super badass
- 56:20Speaker 3: and like everyone loving Joel, and then we get to
- 56:24Speaker 3: him and he's like this. They portray him like an
- 56:29Speaker 3: old man that like doesn't do anything now.
- 56:33Speaker 1: That he just builds.
- 56:34Speaker 3: He just builds houses and and is in a in
- 56:38Speaker 3: a strange relationship with his daughter that's living in his garage.
- 56:47Speaker 3: That might sound super nippicky and whatever, but it's just
- 56:51Speaker 3: the way that I feel about the about the show.
- 56:53Speaker 3: They screwed everything up that they possibly could have screwed up.
- 56:58Speaker 3: In this show right from the right from the first episode.
- 57:01Speaker 3: If you remember me talking about the first episode, if
- 57:04Speaker 3: you guys want to go back and listen to the
- 57:06Speaker 3: first episode that we did of this season two, episode one.
- 57:09Speaker 3: I was like, this is garbage. This is garbage. I
- 57:15Speaker 3: said that I didn't like it. I said that I
- 57:17Speaker 3: hated it. If you remember, so, this is shit, this
- 57:22Speaker 3: is dog hit, And it has been only redeeming quality
- 57:28Speaker 3: of the entire season has been episode two. And that
- 57:32Speaker 3: was just because of the cinematography and a photo photography
- 57:37Speaker 3: and everything that was going on and how it was directed.
- 57:40Speaker 3: Didn't even have anything to do with the characters. It
- 57:42Speaker 3: just looked really good.
- 57:50Speaker 1: All right. So Episode six is coming out one hundred
- 57:54Speaker 1: percent sure, it's going to be an entire flast man
- 57:57Speaker 1: of the entirety of the episode.
- 57:59Speaker 2: And to be honest, if he wanted a more of
- 58:02Speaker 2: a let's say, you could you know what they could
- 58:07Speaker 2: have did Wright, I'm gonna let this out there if
- 58:10Speaker 2: foks can get off our ass, the Nectu record shit.
- 58:13Speaker 1: But it's an issue because everybody wants to put Pedro
- 58:16Speaker 1: Pascal and every.
- 58:17Speaker 2: Every fucking project and they have so, so we can't
- 58:22Speaker 2: become just a character like like you used to twenty
- 58:25Speaker 2: thirty years ago.
- 58:26Speaker 1: Let's see you were known ass. But what they could
- 58:31Speaker 1: have did you know?
- 58:32Speaker 2: We could have picked up immediately following them standing on
- 58:36Speaker 2: that mountain saying that you know, I swear that you know.
- 58:41Speaker 1: This is what happened and I ain't hurt about it.
- 58:44Speaker 2: We could go immediately from that, and you could if
- 58:46Speaker 2: you wanted some downtown to build the tension up to
- 58:50Speaker 2: this point.
- 58:51Speaker 1: You know what you could have did with the second season.
- 58:54Speaker 1: We could have not had a time jump.
- 58:56Speaker 2: We could have seen the deteriorations of Joel and Hilly's character,
- 59:00Speaker 2: and then we could have seen the build up of
- 59:02Speaker 2: Abby come and find jobs.
- 59:08Speaker 3: Yep, that's the way they should have done it. It
- 59:10Speaker 3: would have made everything so much better, so much easier.
- 59:13Speaker 3: We would have understood Abby Moore would not have been
- 59:16Speaker 3: this complete and utter shit show of a season that
- 59:20Speaker 3: we've gotten so far. That it would have really have
- 59:22Speaker 3: fixed everything. And if they would have waited until like
- 59:26Speaker 3: episode three or four to kill him at least three
- 59:31Speaker 3: at least give us two. At least pick up right
- 59:35Speaker 3: after season one in episode one, and then after the
- 59:39Speaker 3: first episode of season two, pick up right out and
- 59:42Speaker 3: then do the time jump in episode two, then you
- 59:46Speaker 3: can do the time jump. Okay, all right, but immediately
- 59:50Speaker 3: starting with a time jump, it's like, what is going
- 59:53Speaker 3: on here? We don't understand that. I don't understand any
- 59:55Speaker 3: of this ship.
- 59:56Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 59:59Speaker 3: These things have happened off screen. Every single thing has
- 1:00:03Speaker 3: happened off screen.
- 1:00:07Speaker 1: Right right, So that's the number one issue.
- 1:00:10Speaker 3: Then you don't even have to do an entire episode
- 1:00:13Speaker 3: of the Joel flashback. You wouldn't even have.
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: To do exactly because we've had a season of seeing
- 1:00:20Speaker 1: what exactly happened. We had a season of seeing that.
- 1:00:24Speaker 2: We had a season of seeing how this is a
- 1:00:27Speaker 2: fake that Abby and we could actually see how maybe
- 1:00:30Speaker 2: she's making some poor decisions as because they were the
- 1:00:33Speaker 2: last of the Fireflies, how to making the poor decisions,
- 1:00:37Speaker 2: and maybe how she had to end up joining the
- 1:00:40Speaker 2: w W because of the poor decision making, because she.
- 1:00:44Speaker 1: Had some trade that you wanted to go find John
- 1:00:46Speaker 1: to kill. We could have seen some intricacies with the
- 1:00:51Speaker 1: w L.
- 1:00:51Speaker 2: An maybe of the Scars and you know, the Sarapits
- 1:00:56Speaker 2: and Isaac and all that stuff.
- 1:00:57Speaker 1: So that's a whole lot.
- 1:00:58Speaker 2: If he flushed out, if like, oh, we need to
- 1:01:01Speaker 2: rush in, but then we've rushed in, but we have
- 1:01:04Speaker 2: no substance.
- 1:01:06Speaker 3: Exactly, that's exactly right. They tried to do the most
- 1:01:09Speaker 3: shocking thing, which was to kill Joel in the second episode,
- 1:01:14Speaker 3: and it didn't work. They lost it. They lost the plot,
- 1:01:22Speaker 3: and they lost the plot hard, and it's driving right
- 1:01:26Speaker 3: over a cliff into his demise.
- 1:01:31Speaker 1: Right right, So guys, that's that.
- 1:01:34Speaker 2: We're gonna stop banging on it for to day. Episode five.
- 1:01:39Speaker 2: Uh maybe at least episode six, it might be you know,
- 1:01:42Speaker 2: at least a good class back.
- 1:01:44Speaker 1: Maybe. I guess that's all we can hope for. That's
- 1:01:48Speaker 1: all we can hope for.
- 1:01:49Speaker 4: Uh.
- 1:01:50Speaker 2: So we'll be back without next week. Make sure you're
- 1:01:53Speaker 2: checking out all of Rider Lee's content. He's on YouTube
- 1:01:56Speaker 2: Raids by Giants also has a couple of documentary documentaries
- 1:02:00Speaker 2: on TV as well, so support for him would be great.
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: We'll appreciate him.
- 1:02:06Speaker 2: For being with us doing a review on the Last
- 1:02:10Speaker 2: of Us, and we plan on having him in the future,
- 1:02:14Speaker 2: you know, because he's a movie buff, movie bove TV buff,
- 1:02:17Speaker 2: so we'll be able to.
- 1:02:18Speaker 1: Discuss some things in the future as well.
- 1:02:21Speaker 2: All this stuff can be found YouTube, Twitter, Rumble all
- 1:02:25Speaker 2: podcast platforms in the showtime with the queue, so we
- 1:02:28Speaker 2: appreciate everybody for checking us out.
- 1:02:30Speaker 1: We'll catch y'all next week. Shuretime with the cue m