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Sharri | 25 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening. I'm Caroli Marcus filling in
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Speaker 2: for Shari Tonight explosive claims from more redeeming of a
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Speaker 2: physical assault inside the Victorian Liberals. I'll talk to my
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Speaker 2: panel about what's being alleged. The last Isis bride is
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Speaker 2: coming home, just as Asio warns the terror threat has risen.
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Speaker 2: Terror expert Greg Barton will tell us how alarmed we
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Speaker 2: need to be. Karl Stepanovic is expected to part ways
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Speaker 2: with Line and now his radio deal could be Next
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Speaker 2: Entertainment editor Jonathan Moran has the latest but first tonight confirmation.
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Speaker 2: Today the last and most dangerous of the so called
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Speaker 2: Isis brides is set to return to Australia. But first,
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Speaker 2: let's not downplay what these women are, because calling them
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Speaker 2: brides minimize the role they played in the medieval death
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Speaker 2: cult that is Islamic state. We already know from the
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Speaker 2: charges some of those who've already returned are facing that
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Speaker 2: these women are accused of being active participants in the
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Speaker 2: most heinous of crimes, including terrorism and slavery offenses. A
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Speaker 2: court heard only a couple of days ago that one
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Speaker 2: of these women had a quote sustained and active involvement
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Speaker 2: with Islamic State and had trained in rifle and glock
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Speaker 2: handguns as well. Now we learn twenty nine year old
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Speaker 2: Hoden Abbey has been issued a permit to return to
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Speaker 2: Australia despite having been barred from entering the country for
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Speaker 2: two years on national security grounds. Here's the Minister in charge,
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Speaker 2: Tony Burke, explaining on ABC Radio why he can no
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Speaker 2: longer keep Australian safe by keeping Hoder Abby out.
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Speaker 3: We received the final advice yesterday that we can no
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Speaker 3: longer have an exclusion condition any longer for her. We've
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Speaker 3: checked with our agencies, they are ready.
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Speaker 2: We already no monitoring Hoden Abby will be a twenty
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Speaker 2: four hour a day, seven day a week exercise, and
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Speaker 2: that surveillance of these women will cost taxpayers two million
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Speaker 2: dollars a year per Isis bride. People are struggling to
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Speaker 2: put food on the table or a roof over their heads.
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Speaker 2: We're being taxed to the absolute hilt and this is
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Speaker 2: where our public money is going. News the last Isis
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Speaker 2: woman is coming home triggered an angry response from the Coalition.
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Speaker 4: They are not welcome in our country and the ominism
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Speaker 4: Gubment once again is not doing everything they can to
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Speaker 4: protect our country keeping these people out of it.
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Speaker 5: This temporary exclusion order, which was a reason for them
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Speaker 5: not to come back to Australia and to keep Australian
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Speaker 5: safe now isn't worth the papers written.
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Speaker 2: On John O'donnheam also said he's asked his counterpart for
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Speaker 2: a briefing because he says the Minister has the power
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Speaker 2: to revoke a return permit. If that's the case, why
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Speaker 2: on earth didn't work revoke it? Hoder Abbey's return is
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Speaker 2: yet another slap in the face for voters who were
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Speaker 2: repeatedly gas lit by the Prime Minister over these ISIS women,
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Speaker 2: who dismissed accurate reporting made on this very program.
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Speaker 6: I refer to reports in The Australian that government officials
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Speaker 6: are helping to bring ISIS terrorist brides to Australia. What
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Speaker 6: actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety of
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Speaker 6: Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 7: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 8: Last night, Marks are revealed on Sky News that Deputy
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Speaker 8: Commissioner Dave Hudson had confirmed New South Wales Police were
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Speaker 8: quote working through that issue with the Commonwealth end quote
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Speaker 8: and that New South Wales Police. We'll meet with the
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Speaker 8: AFP next week in relation to this matter. Can the
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister explain this contradiction than there is.
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Speaker 7: No contradiction between my auntie yesterday was absolutely correct, a
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Speaker 7: report yesterday was wrong. I declared it to be wrong
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Speaker 7: and long may the Opposition continued to get their questions
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Speaker 7: from Sky After dark, I confirmed that the Australian government
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Speaker 7: is not providing assistance to.
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Speaker 6: This cohort.
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Speaker 2: And the irony is Hoder Abby's permit was issued. At
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Speaker 2: the same time, Spy Chief Mike Burgess was giving his
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Speaker 2: update on the thread of an imminent terror attack, saying
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Speaker 2: it is now more likely than probable.
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Speaker 9: Probable does not tell the full story. We do know
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Speaker 9: the environment is degrading an acts of politically motivated violence
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Speaker 9: are becoming more likely than probable suggests. We cannot stop
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Speaker 9: every terrorist, just as we cannot catch every spy.
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Speaker 2: And for heaven's sake, it's only been six months since
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Speaker 2: we had our worst ever terror attack, which police say
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Speaker 2: was carried out in the name of Islamic state. Do
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Speaker 2: we really need more people who have been sympathetic to
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Speaker 2: this terror group in our country? Hoder Abbey's advocates have
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Speaker 2: spent years trying to make Australians feel sorry for her,
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Speaker 2: pleading on behalf of the woman's now nine year old daughter,
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Speaker 2: who was born in Syria and suffers from shrapnel wounds
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Speaker 2: she sustained as a baby. And I do feel sympathy
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Speaker 2: for the child. She didn't ask to be born in
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Speaker 2: a terror hotspot, but the fact remains her Her mother
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Speaker 2: knowingly traveled to a war zone aged eighteen, an adult,
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Speaker 2: to support a terror group and laid down roots having
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Speaker 2: a baby. That child can't now be her ticket home,
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Speaker 2: and neither should a permit granted from a bureaucracy if
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Speaker 2: the government has any power at all to revoke it. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's go now to the latest scandal engulfing the Victorian Liberals,
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Speaker 2: as MP Moira Deeming has accused former Opposition leader Matthew
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Speaker 2: Guy of physically assaulting her. Guy strongly denies the allegations
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Speaker 2: and is considering his legal options. Deeming reportedly told colleagues
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Speaker 2: the alleged assul took place at a Macedonian community dinner
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Speaker 2: last month, and she reported it to police last week.
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Speaker 2: This video, published by The Australian, is of the night
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Speaker 2: in question, and you can see Matthew Guy lean over
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Speaker 2: Deeming's staffer and appear to put his hand behind Deemink's head.
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Speaker 2: It's difficult, though, to see much more than that, but
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Speaker 2: Demon claims she felt like someone smashed me in the
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Speaker 2: base of my skull with a wine bottle. But it
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Speaker 2: was Matthew Guy grabbing me violently in some kind of headlock.
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Speaker 2: He wouldn't let me go. He held on to the
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Speaker 2: side of my face and had his whole arm around
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Speaker 2: my head and was pulling. She says she thought she
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Speaker 2: was going to be ripped off her chair and have
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Speaker 2: her face smashed into her staffer's lap or the table. Eventually,
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Speaker 2: she says, he let her go. She said, I was
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Speaker 2: in total shock. I remember feeling humiliated and threatened and degraded.
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Speaker 2: Now guys' supporters, including party colleagues, have told the newspaper
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Speaker 2: the allegations are quote completely fictitious. Victoria Police is now investigating.
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Speaker 2: I've reached out to Mura hoping to learn more about this,
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Speaker 2: but she says she can't comment. All this has created
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Speaker 2: internal chaos for party leader Jess Wilson as she campaigns
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Speaker 2: ahead of the state election in November and it's going
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Speaker 2: to be a tough enough battle for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: as it is. So let's bring in my panel, former
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party senator Holly Hughes and the Australian journalist Jenna Clark. Jenna,
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Speaker 2: we should stress again Matthew Guy of course denies these allegations.
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Speaker 2: But how much of a mess do these claims put
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Liberals in ahead of the polls in just
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Speaker 2: a few months.
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Speaker 10: A lot, caro looks as you distress these there are
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Speaker 10: allegations that to be made and the police are definitely
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Speaker 10: investigating now. But yeah, the fact that Jess Wilson and
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Speaker 10: the Liberals seem to be coming so far and doing
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Speaker 10: great things and holding the government to account after many
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Speaker 10: many years of dysfunction and then something like this blows
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Speaker 10: up and it's a pr nightmare all over again. And
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Speaker 10: once again this is engulfing the news cycle and stucking
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Speaker 10: the air out of any policy announcements that Jess and
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Speaker 10: the team could potentially make. So it is a big
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Speaker 10: old mess for everyone involved.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have we can't say a lot more of
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Speaker 2: it because it is being investigated by police, but we'll
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Speaker 2: see where it leads. I have to say I've always
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Speaker 2: found more deeming to be a person of integrity. But
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Speaker 2: I have no idea whether these claims are true. And
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Speaker 2: of course again Matthew idalies them look after long delaying
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Speaker 2: they were part of a political party. Two Sydney Teals
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Speaker 2: have joined forces to well water a political party. Sally
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Speaker 2: Staggle and Allegras Spender have registered Communities Strong Australia with
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Speaker 2: their Electoral Commission, despite the rest of the Teals so
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Speaker 2: far declining to join the Holly. So far this party
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Speaker 2: doesn't have a leader and they don't even have enough
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Speaker 2: members to be considered a minor party. But do you
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Speaker 2: see Community Strong shaping up to be a political force.
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Speaker 11: I wouldn't have thought so.
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Speaker 12: I mean, it has those two head girl vibes about it,
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Speaker 12: but they can't figure out which one of them should
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Speaker 12: be fully in charge. So the principles kind of said,
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Speaker 12: you know, both have you take an equal leadership role.
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Speaker 12: It just seems ridiculous, but I think, you know, there's
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Speaker 12: an ulterior motive when it comes to the new donation
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Speaker 12: laws that are going to come into effect, and I
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Speaker 12: wonder whether or not they'll be held to the same
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Speaker 12: scrutiny that one nation is and criticized for any billionaires
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Speaker 12: that throw any money behind them. But I think this
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Speaker 12: has got more to do with fundraising and donation laws
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Speaker 12: than it does about you know, what they're going to
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Speaker 12: do as a force to jure. But I mean, this
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Speaker 12: is just pathetic. We know the Teels have been operating
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Speaker 12: as a party since they've started, and you know this
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Speaker 12: is ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: I dare say that they I can answer your question, Holly,
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Speaker 2: they will not be receiving the same kind of scrutiny
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Speaker 2: as a party like one Nation, at least not in
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Speaker 2: the in the left wing media. Here at Sky News,
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Speaker 2: we will definitely have a look at who is donating.
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Speaker 2: I want to assure you that, Jenna, is it not
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Speaker 2: embarrassing that even the other Teals don't want to join
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Speaker 2: them two in this new venture? He does see here?
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Speaker 10: I think Holly hit the nail on the head with
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Speaker 10: it does seem very school prefect vibes like do you
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Speaker 10: want to join my student council?
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Speaker 13: No, okay, don't worries.
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Speaker 10: But I think most as your holy could be the
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Speaker 10: name of their green hydrogen plane that some billionaire could
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Speaker 10: donate to them.
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Speaker 13: I think it's going to be an interesting in the
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Speaker 13: lead up to this next federal election. It's going to
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Speaker 13: be very interesting.
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Speaker 10: I thought we've sent it a Holly Hughes missing from
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Speaker 10: the spray, it would be very boring. But I think
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Speaker 10: all of these characters now coming out of the woodwork,
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Speaker 10: it's going to be very interesting. Run to the next campaign.
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Speaker 2: Well, you don't know. We could see Holly run again, right,
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Speaker 2: Holly in a in a roll in one notional.
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Speaker 11: Just never know. Who knows what's around the court.
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Speaker 2: Now here First, if you've planned to, let's return now
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Speaker 2: late to the top story, and the last of the
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Speaker 2: isis women are coming home? After Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke said his office had been advised he could no
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Speaker 2: longer have a temporary exclusion order barring hoden Abbey from
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Speaker 2: returning Jennet. First of all, what is your response, because
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Speaker 2: I'm very concerned she's the most dangerous of all of
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Speaker 2: these isis women. She had this order for a reason
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Speaker 2: barring her from coming back, and now she's allowed in
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Speaker 2: because of for some bureaucratic reason, they can't keep the
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Speaker 2: permit in place. Yeah.
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Speaker 10: I think the transparency issue is a massive issue Carolina,
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Speaker 10: and I think it's going to be one thing that
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Speaker 10: is really going to haunt the government over the next
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Speaker 10: couple of months and potentially you know, years, and what
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Speaker 10: actually transpires from all of this, because you know, as
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Speaker 10: we've seen, you know, the shills of Bondai in December
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Speaker 10: last year. I think, you know, security, national security is
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Speaker 10: front of mind for a lot of Australians, whether you
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Speaker 10: live in Bondai.
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Speaker 13: And a part of dysporas or not.
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Speaker 10: I think a lot of people are really consuered and
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Speaker 10: about just who is coming into our country at this
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Speaker 10: point in time. So it really just adds more ammunition
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Speaker 10: to arguments that Senator Paul Enhancement and One Nation are making.
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Speaker 10: And again you're kind of just waiting for the legitimate opposition,
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Speaker 10: the coalition to fire up, and there's only so much
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Speaker 10: that James Patterson can do on his own. You're just
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Speaker 10: kind of waiting for more policy and stronger rhetoric from
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Speaker 10: Angus Taylor and the crew.
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Speaker 2: Well, Holly I showed viewers how folks shadowed John o'donniam
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Speaker 2: says that he wants a briefing because a minister should
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Speaker 2: be able to have the power to revoke a return
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Speaker 2: permit to your knowledge in your political experience. Is he right?
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Speaker 12: Look, absolutely and what a loss John I will be
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Speaker 12: to the Senate when he does retire and is one
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Speaker 12: of the big brains certainly within the coalition. But if
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Speaker 12: there is a problem with the law, that is the
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Speaker 12: whole point of the government, and I am sure they
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Speaker 12: would get the support of almost every cross bench maybe
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Speaker 12: except the Greens to tighten up ledges.
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Speaker 11: That does mean these exclusion orders can stick.
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Speaker 12: Because this is absolutely insulting to all Australians. People in Sydney,
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Speaker 12: which is I understand where she wants to come back to,
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Speaker 12: need to know exactly which suburbs she's going.
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Speaker 11: To be living in. We need to know what sort
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Speaker 11: of monitoring is going on. And the cost is obscene.
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Speaker 12: Australians are having a cost experiencing in cost of living crisis. Yeah,
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Speaker 12: the government's going to spend so much money at a
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Speaker 12: time when Mike Burgess is actually saying violence and terrorist
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Speaker 12: attacks are more likely than probable now and we seem
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Speaker 12: to you know, this government wants to add fuel to
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Speaker 12: that fire. And you know, we know everything that happened,
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Speaker 12: you know in Bondai was just such a tragedy. It
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Speaker 12: was so recent and it's so raw for so many
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Speaker 12: people still, and we know that there were Isis flags flown,
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Speaker 12: you know, home made ones allegedly that were flowing at
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Speaker 12: Bondai during that attack, and here we are allowing people
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Speaker 12: who voluntarily went to support ices.
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Speaker 11: I think it's disgraceful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, police, there was an ISIS flag in the car
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Speaker 2: of the gunment and that's part of the court case.
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Speaker 2: Wholly on your point, do you think that there should
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Speaker 2: be some kind of register for these people and sort
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Speaker 2: of like what we have for child sex offenders. The
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Speaker 2: idea of having a register for that, a national register
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Speaker 2: has been something that's been pushed. Should there be a
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Speaker 2: register for people who've come back who've been part of
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Speaker 2: terror groups so people can know in those areas that
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Speaker 2: they say, what do you think?
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Speaker 13: Well?
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Speaker 12: I think there just needs to We need to be
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Speaker 12: confident that there's effective communication between the AFP and the
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Speaker 12: different state Department of State police forces, because the lack
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Speaker 12: of communication between them is what you know, it could
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Speaker 12: have potentially been problematic when you reflect on what happened
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Speaker 12: at Bondi, that we weren't seeing the new South Wales
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Speaker 12: Police necessarily either responding to or having the information that
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Speaker 12: the AFP may have been privy or AZO may have
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Speaker 12: been privy to when it came.
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Speaker 11: To the alleged gunment.
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Speaker 12: So you know, we need to be confident, and I
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Speaker 12: don't think anyone's particularly confident at the moment that those
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Speaker 12: agencies are talking to each other. I do have some
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Speaker 12: concerns with regards to a public registry because you know,
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Speaker 12: I think obviously then that could create more issues in itself.
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Speaker 12: But I think certainly, if you've got someone living next
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Speaker 12: door to you in your suburb that was over supporting isis,
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Speaker 12: you should probably have a right to know.
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Speaker 11: And particularly if the child's turning up at your kids' school.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it would be terrifying. It. We don't want to
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Speaker 2: encourage vigilanteism, of course, but I think he'd be wanting
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Speaker 2: to move house pretty quick. Look, let's well, I'll be
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Speaker 2: returning to this topic a bit later with Professor Greg Barton,
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Speaker 2: but let's talk about these controversial tax changes because Labor
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Speaker 2: has managed to ram them through the Senate just in
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Speaker 2: time before Parliament breaks for winter recess. Let's take a.
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Speaker 8: Look senators that concludes consideration of the bills.
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Speaker 2: Not everyone is quite sop. Is those cheering in the Senate,
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Speaker 2: though Australians saving for retirement have been blindsided by the
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Speaker 2: government's deal with Greens, with the Greens on self managed
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Speaker 2: super funds, some developers warning it could slash affordable housing
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Speaker 2: supply by twenty five percent. I mean the deal bans
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Speaker 2: lending on residential property within the funds, Jenna. Apparently a
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Speaker 2: quarter of buyers for lower priced townhouses and off the
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Speaker 2: plan units are self managed super fund investors. Do you
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Speaker 2: agree this could actually worsen housing supply, which would be
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Speaker 2: counter productive to the whole point of these tax changes,
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Speaker 2: this whole government.
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Speaker 10: True true, Rather than actually sitting there in that beautiful
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Speaker 10: Parliament House that there is in Canberra, I would like
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Speaker 10: to see all of those cabinet ministers, specifically the ones
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Speaker 10: in the economic portfolios are the ones in the housing
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Speaker 10: you know, go and learn a trade, Go and spend
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Speaker 10: a day with a BRICKIY Go and spend a day
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Speaker 10: on a work site and actually understand and what it
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Speaker 10: takes to build literally build Australia.
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Speaker 13: I think this problem is Look.
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Speaker 10: I am no economic brain, and clearly our treasurer is
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Speaker 10: really as well. But it just seems so counterproductive considering
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Speaker 10: apparently this this element will save or bring in about
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Speaker 10: fifty million dollars of extra tax revenue.
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Speaker 13: Well, at the end of the day, there other flagship
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Speaker 13: policy being the childcare subsidy and other welfare programs is
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Speaker 13: going to We're going to be out out laying about
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Speaker 13: forty seven billion for people that you know don't deserve it,
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Speaker 13: that you know means it's not means tested, it's not
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Speaker 13: spraying cash everywhere, adding fuel to this inflation fire. And
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Speaker 13: it just it just seems that all of their priorities
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Speaker 13: are wrong. Rather than trying to actually probably scrutinize where
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Speaker 13: money is going and making sure it's going to the
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Speaker 13: people that need it and help to people that need it,
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Speaker 13: it seems.
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Speaker 10: To just be all all for show. Because interestingly, not
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Speaker 10: I think Sue Sue lines a minute, she should have
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Speaker 10: passed the bill sent it to Royal scent. Jim Chalmers
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Speaker 10: was published publicizing a real on Instagram showing how fantastic
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Speaker 10: his day in Parliament was. So it's sort of like
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Speaker 10: it's all for the gram and it's not really for
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Speaker 10: the Australian public that literally need help from the government
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Speaker 10: right now.
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Speaker 2: Oh I love the cringey Instagram reeals don't they well.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of social media and online life, a violent AI
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Speaker 2: image of a new South Wales Labor MP being kicked
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Speaker 2: by a political rival has sparked backlashes. Voters have wont
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Speaker 2: to prepare for an influx of similar images Ahead of
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Speaker 2: next year's state election for mc Cumberland mayor. Steve Christi
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Speaker 2: shared the image, urging followers to back his libertarian campaign
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Speaker 2: to unseat Labor MP Julia Flint. Finn Holly, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you've been the target of some pretty nasty attacks in
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Speaker 2: your time in politics. But what do you want to do?
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Speaker 2: Maybe want to have it? We all though? What's your
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Speaker 2: view on AI images live this in campaigning? Is it
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Speaker 2: fair game? Or is this a bridge too far?
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Speaker 11: Look, I gotta say I looked at that and get
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Speaker 11: a grip. Whatever the woman's name is, I don't even
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Speaker 11: know what her name is because that is so AI generated.
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Speaker 12: I think when it comes to AI and where the
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Speaker 12: dangers are is the deep fake that actually looks real.
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Speaker 12: This is so clearly AI generated and cartoonish in its nature.
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Speaker 12: I mean, seriously, if you can't take a joke, politics
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Speaker 12: is clearly not for you. I mean, I got to
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Speaker 12: tell you if someone did one like that, or me,
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Speaker 12: I'd probably frame it and hang it up somewhere. But
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Speaker 12: you know, I mean I had a cartoon once and
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Speaker 12: it was not particularly fluttering, and I actually still regret
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Speaker 12: I didn't get it framed because you know, now I
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Speaker 12: couldn't find it anywhere.
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Speaker 11: But you know, I mean, seriously, get a grip. And
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Speaker 11: if that's the worst that happens to you in politics,
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Speaker 11: you're a lucky, lucky girl. Noh, because let me tell you.
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Speaker 12: I mean there was one night I got the most
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Speaker 12: hideous message after I'd been on with Joe's McPherson, and
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Speaker 12: I seem to if after because the guy had said
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Speaker 12: to me something awful but say you're why you are?
21:07
Speaker 11: And oh, I just corrected him back with, oh, it's
21:11
Speaker 11: why are you? Apostrophe Ari. I never heard another word.
21:15
Speaker 2: But I don't know why. They always have this terrible grammar,
21:18
Speaker 2: don't they. But you know, I think it's pulling hands
21:21
Speaker 2: and would say, suck it up, sweetheart, a T shirt
21:27
Speaker 2: and holland very much, let's move on. Our liberal Senator
21:30
Speaker 2: James Patterson has delivered a pretty blunt message to the
21:34
Speaker 2: Coalition one year after the twenty twenty five wipeout. They
21:39
Speaker 2: didn't deserve to win, he said. He went on to say,
21:42
Speaker 2: I don't think we did the intellectual heavy lifting, the
21:45
Speaker 2: policy development or the personal development. We thought it could
21:49
Speaker 2: or should be easier, that we deserve to be back
21:52
Speaker 2: in government. He's also worn in colleagues not to flirt
21:55
Speaker 2: too closely with one nation, calling them a high Risk's partner.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is National's leader Matt Canneban. Matt, great
22:05
Speaker 2: to see you. Firstly, do you agree with Patterson here?
22:08
Speaker 2: Did the coalition deserve to lose?
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Speaker 1: Carolyn?
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Speaker 4: So they didn't vote for us, and therefore we deserve
22:18
Speaker 4: to lose. It's up to the people, and they spoke
22:22
Speaker 4: loud and clear. Look for what it's worth. I felt
22:26
Speaker 4: a couple of things went wrong going back to that time.
22:31
Speaker 4: We were ahead in the polls a few months out,
22:33
Speaker 4: and maybe, like in many football games, that made us
22:36
Speaker 4: play a bit safe. When you're a head, there's a
22:38
Speaker 4: tendency to not throw the cut out pass anymore, put
22:41
Speaker 4: the ball under the arm and try and just keep
22:44
Speaker 4: a lead.
22:46
Speaker 1: Well, that just let us get run down.
22:48
Speaker 4: But I give it them their due a labor party
22:50
Speaker 4: who came out firing early last year.
22:52
Speaker 1: So we didn't do that.
22:54
Speaker 4: And look, secondly, I think you know we've the time
22:57
Speaker 4: of the era of a small target strategies over.
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Speaker 1: Got to be bold.
23:01
Speaker 4: That's what I'm inspiring my team to do with the
23:04
Speaker 4: Nationals Party. Great honor to be leader, but I don't
23:07
Speaker 4: want to die wondering.
23:08
Speaker 1: Might die.
23:09
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I might want to die wondering.
23:11
Speaker 4: Let's go for it. We need a change in this country.
23:14
Speaker 4: Our country is not working anymore. We have a government's
23:17
Speaker 4: lying to the people and so we've got nothing to lose.
23:20
Speaker 4: Let's put forward a bold agenda to change this nation,
23:23
Speaker 4: to restore our prosperity, to start using energy resources again
23:27
Speaker 4: and bring back industry and jobs, and secure our borders again.
23:31
Speaker 4: Have a sensible migration program that doesn't flood this country
23:34
Speaker 4: with mass migration, and deny young Australian is a chance
23:37
Speaker 4: to own a home.
23:38
Speaker 2: What about James Patterson's comments that one Nation is a
23:42
Speaker 2: high risk dance partner. Do you back that idea? I
23:46
Speaker 2: know you've rejected previously the idea from some Liberals. Tony
23:49
Speaker 2: Passon I think came up with it that the Liberals
23:53
Speaker 2: should consider a joint election strategy with one Nation but
23:56
Speaker 2: do you think that the too high risk.
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Speaker 4: Look, the record of one nation doesn't inspire confidence. They've
24:06
Speaker 4: had more starts and far lap, and it's all ended
24:10
Speaker 4: in tears very quickly and quite often. Look, we're very
24:13
Speaker 4: different party or parties, both our parties, both Liberal and
24:16
Speaker 4: Nationals parties and grassroots parties. I'm only here only a
24:19
Speaker 4: few weeks after I was elected leader of the Nationals Party.
24:22
Speaker 4: I had to go back to Brisbane to the LMP
24:24
Speaker 4: State Council where four hundred people got to decide whether
24:27
Speaker 4: I stayed a senator or not.
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Speaker 1: The power is with them. It doesn't work in one nation.
24:33
Speaker 4: In one nation, it's a one woman rule and that
24:38
Speaker 4: level of enforcement from up on high has tended to
24:41
Speaker 4: cause them to have a bit of fragility.
24:42
Speaker 1: So yes, I agree.
24:44
Speaker 4: With James, it's long odds on one nation staying together,
24:48
Speaker 4: but I do the main priority for me is to
24:50
Speaker 4: defeat this terrible government. Happy to work with others to
24:54
Speaker 4: achieve that goal. But I believe what the country needs
24:58
Speaker 4: is a stable guns, a government that says little and
25:01
Speaker 4: Nationals Parties return to its its conservative principles as base
25:04
Speaker 4: it's supporters out there, and we've served the country. Well
25:09
Speaker 4: for eighty years. Not perfect, don't always get it right,
25:12
Speaker 4: but we're on the way back under Angus and I.
25:15
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about what's happening within the coalition because
25:19
Speaker 2: it seems like the Ben Roberts Smith case is now
25:23
Speaker 2: causing some tensions because of different views people have within
25:27
Speaker 2: within the coalition. Now this comes after Defense Personnel Spokesman
25:31
Speaker 2: Philip Thompson signed into Parliament a prominent critic of Andrew
25:36
Speaker 2: Hasti's This veteran Scott Jones, had publicly criticized Hasty for
25:41
Speaker 2: testifying against Robert Smith during his defamation trial. Hasty has
25:47
Speaker 2: recently revealed he's been given extra security amid attacks from
25:52
Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith's supporters. We're not saying this person is
25:55
Speaker 2: one of the people who've attacked him or threatened him
25:58
Speaker 2: by any means, but some of the rules are calling
26:01
Speaker 2: this move to take this Hasty critic for a tour
26:04
Speaker 2: of Parliament a declaration of war. Do you see it
26:08
Speaker 2: that way? Do you think that this case is causing
26:11
Speaker 2: frictions within the coalition?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 4: And can we just get back to honoring all of
26:19
Speaker 4: our veterans. I mean, I get very disparated when I
26:24
Speaker 4: see people try and pit different veterans from our defense
26:30
Speaker 4: forces against each other. I mean, I've realized been a
26:33
Speaker 4: tough time, particularly tough time for those who served in
26:35
Speaker 4: the SAS. But I don't think it's helped by people
26:38
Speaker 4: outside staking that tensions any further. I cherish the sacrifice
26:43
Speaker 4: and commitment of all members of our defense forces. I
26:47
Speaker 4: honor the service that Andrew Hasty has given to our nation.
26:50
Speaker 4: He's a hero in my book. I can't look up
26:52
Speaker 4: to him. I never did that, but he did phil
26:55
Speaker 4: Thompson as well. Phil Thompson as well, great mate of mine,
26:58
Speaker 4: and likewise served our country with distinction. I don't know
27:01
Speaker 4: the gentleman he signed in, but he served as well
27:04
Speaker 4: on him and likewise with Ben Robert Smith. Here the
27:07
Speaker 4: Victoria cross now and can take that away from him.
27:09
Speaker 4: He committed great acts of valor, and now he also
27:12
Speaker 4: deserves to be count as innocent before proven guilty. He's
27:17
Speaker 4: got to face these charges. It's a rule of law
27:19
Speaker 4: in our country. But nothing can take away the service
27:22
Speaker 4: he provided and others provided to our nation.
27:24
Speaker 1: I just want to on all of them. It's as
27:26
Speaker 1: simple as that.
27:27
Speaker 2: So do you think people with then the coalitional but
27:29
Speaker 2: then the Liberal Party are just making mountain out of
27:31
Speaker 2: the hill. This guy coming in. It wasn't really about hasty.
27:36
Speaker 4: I don't respond to I think it's an anonymous quote.
27:38
Speaker 4: You've put too many, Karen, so I'm going to respond
27:40
Speaker 4: to that. I'm just happy to put my views as
27:42
Speaker 4: I have.
27:43
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Abe was in the paper, but obviously I
27:46
Speaker 2: don't know what exactly wish.
27:48
Speaker 1: Read the paper.
27:50
Speaker 2: I hear you and haven't worked for them. I know
27:52
Speaker 2: what you mean.
27:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it's just more Jaden cynical than you. But
27:56
Speaker 4: you'll get there, Carol, You'll get on all right.
27:58
Speaker 2: I'm pledging cynical mat having worked in this industry for
28:01
Speaker 2: a very long time. Let's talk about I know you're
28:04
Speaker 2: very passionate about this. Labor has quietly announced disaster recovery
28:08
Speaker 2: bills will now be split fifty to fifty with the States,
28:11
Speaker 2: even though its own independent review into Commonwealth disaster funding
28:15
Speaker 2: never recommended a blanket split. So why is Labor doing
28:20
Speaker 2: this and what does it mean?
28:22
Speaker 6: Is this?
28:22
Speaker 2: Is it a bad thing that the states are going
28:24
Speaker 2: to have to pitch in?
28:27
Speaker 1: Well, people are scratching their heads.
28:28
Speaker 4: There hasn't been a lot of explanation from the government
28:31
Speaker 4: for why is a very important issue, particularly my home
28:34
Speaker 4: state of Queensland, where we get hit with very serious
28:38
Speaker 4: natural disasters almost every year, and it's just beyond the
28:41
Speaker 4: capability of particularly local councils, but even state governments to
28:45
Speaker 4: respond to those significant events. Eighty percent of the tax
28:49
Speaker 4: revenue as country flows down here to Canberra. So it's
28:51
Speaker 4: always been the case that the federal government helps we
28:54
Speaker 4: help out our fellow Australians during those inevitable times of need.
28:58
Speaker 4: If I suppose it was always and it's an inevitability
29:01
Speaker 4: that federal governments would do that of all political persuasions,
29:03
Speaker 4: what we do after a flood or a cyclone or
29:05
Speaker 4: a bush fire. So yeah, people were blindsided by this.
29:08
Speaker 4: This week is local government week in Camber. Lots of
29:11
Speaker 4: the mayors and councilors come here for a conference and
29:13
Speaker 4: so I was talking to them at their conference a
29:15
Speaker 4: couple of days ago and they raise his issues with me,
29:17
Speaker 4: and I still with them there today in the Parliament
29:19
Speaker 4: and raise these concerns because they certainly somebody, these councilors
29:23
Speaker 4: I still today have only a few hundred people as
29:25
Speaker 4: rate payers. If they get hit by a massive flood.
29:29
Speaker 4: They need help and we should be here to help them.
29:31
Speaker 4: They do so much for our nation. They put for
29:34
Speaker 4: food on our country, dig up the resources that help
29:37
Speaker 4: fund our country. The governments deserting them this and they
29:40
Speaker 4: deserve an explanation. They deserve this to be restored or
29:43
Speaker 4: some trust restored in this process because at the moment,
29:48
Speaker 4: people are a bit of a people have felt like
29:51
Speaker 4: they've been left high and dry.
29:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you know, it seems shady that
29:55
Speaker 2: they would just quietly introduced this, not make it into
29:58
Speaker 2: a big announcement, and take someone like you to bring
30:00
Speaker 2: it up for a lot of us to even hear
30:02
Speaker 2: that this is happening. So Matt Canavan, thank you for
30:04
Speaker 2: your time. Tonight, coming up, The AZO Boss warns Australia
30:08
Speaker 2: could face an even greater terror threat from a weakened Ran.
30:13
Speaker 2: Greg Barden will explain why, and Karl Stefanovick's new podcast,
30:18
Speaker 2: his other one in radio, may be dead after just
30:21
Speaker 2: two episodes. Jonathan Moran joins me after the break well,
30:30
Speaker 2: he's already reportedly been acts from Channel nine Now. Stefanovic's
30:35
Speaker 2: new ARN podcast, The Long Weekend with Eddie Maguire appears
30:40
Speaker 2: to be on the line too. After only two episodes,
30:43
Speaker 2: Karl has pulled out of Friday's show, and the radio
30:47
Speaker 2: network is now reportedly considering whether to dump it all together.
30:51
Speaker 2: It's even canceled full page ads promoting the podcast amid
30:55
Speaker 2: fears advertisers would be dragged into the fallout from Karl's
30:59
Speaker 2: Tommy Robinson interview. He has been fordham on the drama.
31:04
Speaker 15: Why are they sacking him? Plenty of people have interviewed
31:07
Speaker 15: Tommy Robinson. Is it because activists threatened and advertising boycott
31:12
Speaker 15: of the Today Show? Is it because the bosses at
31:14
Speaker 15: nine believe that Carl did not ask Tommy Robinson any
31:18
Speaker 15: tough questions? Or are they sick of seeing Carl's podcast
31:22
Speaker 15: doing well while they're Today Show is routinely thrashed in
31:26
Speaker 15: the ratings?
31:28
Speaker 2: All valid questions, I guess. The Daily Telegraphs entertainment editor
31:31
Speaker 2: Jonathan Moran joins me, now, JMO, great to see you now.
31:36
Speaker 2: This seems to be getting worse and worse for Carl.
31:39
Speaker 2: Do you think it's likely he will lose his nine
31:44
Speaker 2: show altogether? That's what's been reported, and this our own.
31:47
Speaker 16: Geek, it's a done deals the line.
31:50
Speaker 2: The ninth show.
31:51
Speaker 16: The nine deal is done. I think what is going
31:54
Speaker 16: on right now in the back end is that they
31:56
Speaker 16: are working out the contract details to how do everyone
31:59
Speaker 16: will walks away from this as easily as possible without
32:04
Speaker 16: any bruising basically, and that's gone on. They've been having
32:08
Speaker 16: meetings all over the place, I can tell you.
32:10
Speaker 12: And I don't think.
32:10
Speaker 16: It's been reported that Matt Stanton, the CEO of nine,
32:14
Speaker 16: is in France at the cans Lions Festival, so.
32:19
Speaker 2: Not far from where Carlor steps.
32:20
Speaker 16: Not far from where Carl is, but not a great
32:23
Speaker 16: time to be abroad with this massive your biggest star
32:28
Speaker 16: falling off the off the post, so to speak.
32:33
Speaker 2: There is the suggestions that he might come back for
32:36
Speaker 2: these crisis talks.
32:38
Speaker 14: I don't know.
32:38
Speaker 16: I don't know, to be honest, I don't think he's
32:41
Speaker 16: not going to get back in time to get it
32:42
Speaker 16: worked out. I think it's been round the clock conversations
32:45
Speaker 16: going on with all the key players working out how
32:48
Speaker 16: to do this and work out an exit strategy to
32:50
Speaker 16: get the best possible scenario for each side. Obviously, Carl
32:55
Speaker 16: wants to walk away and work on his own stuff,
32:59
Speaker 16: I would assume, and Nine wants to walk away unscathed.
33:03
Speaker 16: Nine has a problem now in the sense of who
33:06
Speaker 16: do they replace him with? What are they going to
33:08
Speaker 16: do with the Today Show which has had terrible ratings
33:11
Speaker 16: for some time now, and for a long time it
33:14
Speaker 16: was the market leader, but Sunrise has been absolutely walloping
33:17
Speaker 16: it for a long long time too, and particularly over
33:20
Speaker 16: recent times, the Sunrise ratings have really lifted and it
33:25
Speaker 16: on nine. Today Show has just plummeted.
33:29
Speaker 2: And there's no one really that springs to mind about
33:32
Speaker 2: who they could replace him where. I've heard people mentioned
33:35
Speaker 2: possibly David Campbell or maybe James Bracey. Even someone suggested
33:41
Speaker 2: that to me the other day.
33:43
Speaker 16: James Bracy is definitely one that's a front runner, but
33:45
Speaker 16: that would be too much of a bit of a
33:47
Speaker 16: copycat mold of Sunrise. Matt Shervington, who's got the sports background.
33:52
Speaker 16: Obviously he was an athlete. Bracey wasn't, but he's in
33:55
Speaker 16: that sports world. Look, I think they'll just put someone
33:58
Speaker 16: that looks like Carl in the post and just hope
34:00
Speaker 16: for the best.
34:00
Speaker 2: I don't Peter Stefanovic is with us, and not that much.
34:04
Speaker 16: Peter Stepanov because one of ours and we love him.
34:06
Speaker 2: He's staying with us.
34:07
Speaker 16: We're not letting him go. But I don't I don't.
34:10
Speaker 16: I think they're so far down the track that things
34:12
Speaker 16: are really far worse than they than they possibly should be.
34:17
Speaker 1: The big question we need to.
34:19
Speaker 16: Be asking is how nine allowed this to get to
34:23
Speaker 16: where it is now.
34:24
Speaker 2: How they allowed him independence with his problem?
34:26
Speaker 16: How did they allow him independence consistently until now when
34:30
Speaker 16: there's been questions asked when myself or my colleagues have
34:33
Speaker 16: gone to them. Carl is an exceptional broadcaster. He is
34:36
Speaker 16: the best thing they've got. He is, he's personable. People
34:41
Speaker 16: like him. You know, all of their scores they used
34:44
Speaker 16: to call them Q scores, But essentially their internal polling
34:47
Speaker 16: shows that he is their big asset. So losing him
34:50
Speaker 16: is a massive loss to nine.
34:53
Speaker 6: So it's it's.
34:55
Speaker 2: How they might they didn't want to keep paying him
34:57
Speaker 2: the salary he was on, so they were going to
34:59
Speaker 2: show him the draw at the end of the year. Anyway,
35:01
Speaker 2: it's that much of a loss.
35:02
Speaker 16: Well maybe, but they still maybe wanted to keep some
35:05
Speaker 16: sort of a relationship with him too, because all their
35:08
Speaker 16: recent polling is showing that he is their big deal.
35:11
Speaker 2: Well, they have no one else. Do you think he's
35:13
Speaker 2: likely to get paid out of one million dollars.
35:15
Speaker 16: I think my personal view, I mean, I'm not in
35:17
Speaker 16: the meetings having these meetings. My personal view is that
35:19
Speaker 16: they will negotiate to get him whatever he needs to get,
35:23
Speaker 16: to avoid any messy legal situations and make this as
35:28
Speaker 16: clean as possible. And a million bucks, let's say it's
35:31
Speaker 16: that or a million and a half is a small
35:33
Speaker 16: price to pay to avoid a prolonged sense of headlines
35:38
Speaker 16: in this instance, and that's what went wrong with Arn
35:41
Speaker 16: and Kyle Sandlance.
35:42
Speaker 2: Some very high profile people have been backing in Karl
35:46
Speaker 2: Stepanovic today, including his friend James Packer. He told us
35:49
Speaker 2: Any Morning held it was pretty hypocritical not to allow
35:54
Speaker 2: him editorial independence. On his podcast, Elon Musk even tweeted
35:58
Speaker 2: wow about the fact that he was dumped, But do
36:01
Speaker 2: you think mine is right to do this? I mean,
36:04
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty astonishing that he not that just
36:07
Speaker 2: that he gave this guy platform. I say, anyone should
36:10
Speaker 2: be able to be interviewed, but not one single hard question.
36:14
Speaker 16: That is the point. The point isn't whether or not
36:16
Speaker 16: he should have interviewed him. The point is it wasn't
36:18
Speaker 16: really an interview it was a conversation between two blokes
36:21
Speaker 16: just chewing the fat, and that is not something that
36:25
Speaker 16: you can take as a serious thing. If Karl went
36:28
Speaker 16: in there and really grilled him at least gave a
36:30
Speaker 16: couple of hard questions, I think we'd all be going, yeah,
36:33
Speaker 16: because Carl can do a decent interview. That's I think
36:36
Speaker 16: that's the big call. And Carl was very buddy buddy
36:40
Speaker 16: in it too, So it's like, okay, mate. As journalists,
36:43
Speaker 16: we're supposed to have some sort of independent you know,
36:45
Speaker 16: someone comes on here. You don't have to agree with me.
36:47
Speaker 16: We've all got opinions, but you don't have to agree
36:49
Speaker 16: with me on everything. But you you also have to
36:54
Speaker 16: be careful about how you do that, Like you might
36:56
Speaker 16: agree with me actually, but then have to not be
36:59
Speaker 16: going like yeah, Jamo, you're so right, You're so right, Jonathan,
37:02
Speaker 16: Yet that's right. You're not cheering me on from the sidelines.
37:05
Speaker 16: Give me a platform, ask me some hard questions, and
37:07
Speaker 16: then let me bugle.
37:08
Speaker 2: Right. I do wonder if he's swallowed the red pillars
37:10
Speaker 2: they like to say on the internet, and gone truly conservative,
37:13
Speaker 2: or he's just doing it because he sees there is
37:16
Speaker 2: money in the future in it, but unfortunately we're out
37:18
Speaker 2: of time.
37:18
Speaker 16: That I have to take money to come on here
37:21
Speaker 16: with you for a.
37:22
Speaker 2: Please come back, Okay, you back, Jamo, Thank you so
37:24
Speaker 2: much and make it a joy coming up. A prominent
37:27
Speaker 2: pro Palestine protester is ordered to pay ten thousand dollars
37:31
Speaker 2: over an anti Semitic chant, but he may never pay
37:35
Speaker 2: a cent. The man who won the case against him
37:37
Speaker 2: joins me later and ASIO is chilling, warning Iran may
37:42
Speaker 2: pose an even greater terror that threat to Australia now
37:46
Speaker 2: that the war's over. Professor Greg Barton joins me after
37:50
Speaker 2: the break. The ASIO boss has today warned Australian Jews
37:58
Speaker 2: could become the targets of assassination plots. Mike Burgers told
38:03
Speaker 2: The Australian that a weakened post war Iran could pose
38:07
Speaker 2: an even bigger terror threat to Australia. The warning comes
38:11
Speaker 2: after Burgess delivered his sobering Threat Assessment speech last night,
38:15
Speaker 2: warning Iran still sees Australia as a legitimate target. Deacon
38:20
Speaker 2: University Global Islamic Politics Chair Professor Greg Barton joins me now, Greg,
38:26
Speaker 2: great to see you and thank you for your time.
38:29
Speaker 2: This I find terrifying. How much danger are Australians and
38:33
Speaker 2: members of the Jewish community here in do you think?
38:38
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think the Director General of Asia would
38:40
Speaker 5: be talking about it so explicitly less there was a
38:42
Speaker 5: very clear danger. One silver lining in this is it
38:47
Speaker 5: seems that the more serious attacks we've seen directed against
38:51
Speaker 5: synagogues and the Jewish community have come from the Islamic
38:53
Speaker 5: Revolutionary Guards Corps. They've long had a state run terror campaign,
38:59
Speaker 5: using people operating it out of consular offices and under
39:04
Speaker 5: you know, apparently legitimate businesses. That's very chilling, but it
39:08
Speaker 5: also says that that's where the bigger threat comes rather
39:11
Speaker 5: than spontaneous grassroots anger in Australian society, which I think
39:17
Speaker 5: makes Australians feel better about the fact that our multiculturalism
39:19
Speaker 5: system is working, but it doesn't guard us against these
39:24
Speaker 5: really manipulative and brazen efforts by foreign services. Iran is
39:30
Speaker 5: the one mentioned here, where there are others. Of course
39:32
Speaker 5: that they are of concern, and I think there is
39:38
Speaker 5: an ongoing threat. There's no way we can back away
39:40
Speaker 5: from that. We have to acknowledge this.
39:43
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would have assumed I
39:45
Speaker 2: certainly would that a weakened Iran after the war would
39:49
Speaker 2: perhaps be less of a threat, but this warning that
39:52
Speaker 2: it could pose more of a threat. Why would that.
39:55
Speaker 5: Be Well, I think one reason is that there's such
39:59
Speaker 5: instability at the with respect to Iran and the whole
40:01
Speaker 5: Middle East. Now it may well be the case. I mean,
40:04
Speaker 5: we all hope that what's happened over the last couple
40:07
Speaker 5: of years leads to the eventual fall of the regime,
40:09
Speaker 5: but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime close. All
40:11
Speaker 5: of those brave Uranian citizens, a nation of ninety two
40:14
Speaker 5: million people rising up against the regime, you know, they've
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Speaker 5: got no relief in sight. They're the first victims. And
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Speaker 5: if this regime feels that it's under pressure again, if
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Speaker 5: this current ceasefire ideal with the straight up Homerz falls through,
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Speaker 5: of this further attacks, I mean, we know that's a
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Speaker 5: very precarious situation for lots of reasons. Then one of
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Speaker 5: the ways that the Revolutionary Guards called regime clash out
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Speaker 5: is through proxies, including these sort of foreign terror operations.
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Speaker 5: You know, we could also see the hooties on the
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Speaker 5: Red Sea Board into action. We could see militias in
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Speaker 5: IRAQ board into action. So there's so much uncertainty that
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you're ahead of Asier, you've got to say, well,
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Speaker 5: we just don't know. We're bracing for the worst.
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Speaker 2: Mike Burgas also revealed Asio had boiled a foreign spy
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Speaker 2: plot targeting Australia's Orcas submarine program. Let's take a look.
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Speaker 9: A spy from a foreign intelligent service approached and Australian
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Speaker 9: security clearance holder online, pretending to be from a consulting company.
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Speaker 9: The spy paid that official to write two reports on
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Speaker 9: Australia's relationship with our Pacific neighbors, and then, thinking had
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Speaker 9: been hooked, offered money for inside information on ORCUS. I'm
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Speaker 9: pleased to report the clearance holder reported this contact and
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Speaker 9: when my officers interviewed the holder clearance holder, they gained
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Speaker 9: invaluable insights into the foreign services information gaps and tradecraft.
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Speaker 9: But we didn't stop there. My officers borrowed the phone
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Speaker 9: from the official and rang the so called consultant in
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Speaker 9: her home country, thinking it was her target. The spy
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Speaker 9: picked up and got a very unwelcome surprise when she
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Speaker 9: realized she was speaking to Asio.
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Speaker 2: Greg I mean, any idea do you think that this
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Speaker 2: was life in Iran or where else may this threat
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Speaker 2: have come from?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think the orcust reference, the reference to foreign
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Speaker 5: and security services suggests actually it's not Iran. Iran has
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Speaker 5: got other things to worry about, you know. Iran is
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Speaker 5: a threat to US, has been a threat to US,
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Speaker 5: will continue to be a threat to US. But this
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Speaker 5: seems to be about major nation states, you know, nation
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Speaker 5: states and the threshold perhaps have been superpowers. There's not
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Speaker 5: many to count. Russia is too busy to be bothered
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Speaker 5: doing this sort of thing at the moment. It's not
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Speaker 5: likely to be Iran. It's a different sort of lane
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Speaker 5: than what North Korea plays in. That really leaves only
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Speaker 5: one nation that is most concerned about UCUS and has
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Speaker 5: perhaps the world's best foreign security service, you know, aspiring,
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Speaker 5: and has the greatest capacity to penetrate. Obviously, the Director
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Speaker 5: General of AZIO didn't name China by name for good
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Speaker 5: reasons in his post, but everything he said sort of
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Speaker 5: points to that being the likely suspect.
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Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, Now, the last remaining Australian isis Bride Hodin
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Speaker 2: Abby is now free to return home. Tony Boke issued
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Speaker 2: her a return permit overnight, ending this temporary exclusion order
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Speaker 2: that stopped her from coming back from Syria. AZIO says
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Speaker 2: it'll use the full force of its powers when she
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Speaker 2: comes back. Let's have a look at what they said.
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Speaker 9: I am comfortable that my agency is absolutely ready to
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Speaker 9: do what we need to do, and that's using the
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Speaker 9: full capabilities and laws available to us to ensure any
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Speaker 9: threats that person represents are managed effectively from the security
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Speaker 9: services point of view, and we work closely with police
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Speaker 9: in doing so.
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Speaker 14: Should people be feel reassured?
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Speaker 9: They should be reassured that we and the police work
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Speaker 9: closely and my agency is ready to do everything we
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Speaker 9: need to. She is an Australian citizen, she is entitled
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Speaker 9: to come back. Your viewers can be assured, though, that
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Speaker 9: my agency understands what we're looking at here and this
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Speaker 9: person will get the full coverage needed.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Australians should feel assured of their safety?
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Speaker 2: Greg and super quick ans Unfortunately, we're almost out of time.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I do.
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Speaker 5: Having followed this for many years, I think ASIO is
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Speaker 5: well equipped along with state police, a federal police, and
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Speaker 5: they've long told us that they can better handle these
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Speaker 5: threats with these people back in Australia rather than having
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Speaker 5: them offshore where they can't control them.
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Speaker 1: So this is actually good news.
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Speaker 5: It seems counterintuitive, but I think we can be sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does en counterintuitive, but at least if they were overseas,
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be here being able to carry out an attack.
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Speaker 2: But I trust your analysis, Greg Pardon. That just gives
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Speaker 2: me some reassurance. Thanks for your time tonight. Coming up,
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Speaker 2: one of the most controversial Gaza novels and academics in
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Speaker 2: the country is now up for a top literary prize,
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Speaker 2: and an ex pro Palestine protester is ordered to pay
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Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars over an anti Semitic chant, but he
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Speaker 2: may never pay a cent. The man who won the
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Speaker 2: case against him joins me after the break.
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Speaker 15: Well.
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Speaker 2: A prominent pro Palestine activist from Melbourne, hush Taiye, has
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Speaker 2: been ordered to pay Menehem Bockheimer ten thousand dollars after
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Speaker 2: the Victorian Civilian Administrative Tribunal found his protest chant all
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Speaker 2: Zionists terrorists breached Victoria's racial vilification law. But Taie is
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Speaker 2: now bankrupt, so even after all the effort of taking
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Speaker 2: him to the tribunal, menahean may never see the money.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Menehem Bockheimer, the Melbourne Jewish resident
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Speaker 2: and community leader. Thank you so much for your time. Menahean,
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Speaker 2: tell me, first of all, why did he decide to
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Speaker 2: take this case to the tribunal in the first place.
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Speaker 17: Good evening, Caroline. The reason I brought this case is
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Speaker 17: given my own history. My father was born in nineteen
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Speaker 17: twenty two Nazi Germany. I know the consequence of leaving
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Speaker 17: words unchecked, that they lead to the humanization of people,
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Speaker 17: and they lead to situations which unthinkable becomes possible. And
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Speaker 17: the word terrorist in contemporary society is a particularly heinous word,
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Speaker 17: and we think of a terrorists, we think of individuals
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Speaker 17: that can be killed or overcome by force if necessary.
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Speaker 17: So to label all members of a class of people
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Speaker 17: as terrorists would be to dehumanize them. And perhaps, as
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Speaker 17: we saw a BONDI lead to circumstances which people felt
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Speaker 17: it was okay to.
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Speaker 14: Kill Jews in this country.
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Speaker 2: This guy, Hashtaya, he's quite well known in Melbourne, especially
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Speaker 2: he at one point accused Jews of being behind an
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Speaker 2: arson attack on his burger business that was completely debunked.
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Speaker 2: In the end. He's been a prominent figure out the
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Speaker 2: weekly pro Palestine protests there. Now he's been ordered to
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Speaker 2: pay up. How do you feel about the outcome that
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Speaker 2: you got at the Tribune or did it help put
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Speaker 2: this matter to bed for you?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 17: So there was three elements to the orders made by
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Speaker 17: Vice President Judge Trand the first and foremost was Misstaya
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Speaker 17: ended up giving an undertaking to her honor in which
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Speaker 17: he undertook subject to a release or not being released
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Speaker 17: by either v CAT or the Court of Appeal, to
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Speaker 17: never lead or participate in the chant all zionus a
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Speaker 17: terras or to encourage, authorize or assists others to participate
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Speaker 17: in the chant all zience terrors. He made cleties on
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Speaker 17: that he understood that if he breached out, he were
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Speaker 17: being content of court and maybe subject to criminal charges.
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Speaker 14: That that was element one. Number two.
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Speaker 17: He had to publish within seven days of the orders
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Speaker 17: a statement to his Instagram and ex accounts bring notice
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Speaker 17: to those orders of the Tribunal and a link to
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Speaker 17: the judgment. And the last aspect was this compensation order,
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Speaker 17: which was really the small part of the end which
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Speaker 17: rounds it out, which acknowledged the harm cause.
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Speaker 2: But he's bankrupt. So if he never pays you assent,
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Speaker 2: would it matter to you.
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Speaker 14: No, it's the first two.
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Speaker 17: One is at the most important because we've now got
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Speaker 17: a ruling that state that the words are or incited
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Speaker 17: hatredcule or contempt for Jews, and that is a ruling
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Speaker 17: of the tribunal and there's an undertaking not to use that.
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Speaker 17: And I think that's an important element for our society.
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Speaker 17: You know, we were just speaking a moment ago about
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Speaker 17: as O chief Mike Purgis, and he was talking about
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Speaker 17: in his speech last night about dialing down the temperature
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Speaker 17: and really chance to label any class of individuals in
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Speaker 17: our societies terrorists don't belong here. And if to dial
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Speaker 17: that temperature down, we need to remove that landuage in
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Speaker 17: our society.
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Speaker 14: And I think this judgment does that well.
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Speaker 2: Here. Mike Bojers actually mentioned grace Tame and globalizing into
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Speaker 2: Barta as one example too. I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about someone else who's participated in these chances, even led
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Speaker 2: children in chants like from the River to the Sea.
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Speaker 2: Randa abdel Fata, the academic, has just made the short
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Speaker 2: list for the Miles Franklin Literary Award for her new novel.
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Speaker 2: This is despite the fallout from the Adelaide Writer Festival.
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Speaker 2: Just a very quick comment from you, Mannachem. What message
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Speaker 2: does it send to Jewish Australians after October seven the
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Speaker 2: bono Masaca that this person who supported her maas in
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Speaker 2: some of her posts is still up for literary awards.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 17: I think that the statements well made, both in relation
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Speaker 17: to Ruanda herself and also's a grace tame. They shouldn't
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Speaker 17: be platformed by the mainstream, whether it be you know,
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Speaker 17: literally awards or the ABC.
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Speaker 14: And if we're.
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Speaker 17: Serious about dialing back the temperature, we need to make
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Speaker 17: sure they're not given a platform.
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Speaker 14: And I think that's a good starting point.
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Speaker 2: Manahean, thank you for your time and congratulations on your
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Speaker 2: tribunal victory as well. And that is all the time
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Speaker 2: we have for tonight on Shari. I'll see you here
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Speaker 2: tomorrow at eight. But up next my friend Paul Murray
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Speaker 2: with Paul Murray Live.