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Pan's Labyrinth · The Art of Costume Podcast

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So disturbing. I mean, I'll never forget.
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The first time I saw him, put his eyeballs in his hands and
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use his hands as eyes. And yes, that will rock your
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world the first time. Yeah, that's what I walked in on
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Spencer. Yeah, that's messed up.
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Hello and welcome to the art of costume.
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Blogcast I most enjoy class and I'm someone who hates Fonz
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Spencer Williams. You hate a van.
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Don't hate a van for her friends every now and then, are they,
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are they? Yes.
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Yes. Spencer, their questionable in
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this movie, their questionable and Chronicles of Narnia, just
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never know. Friends are friends.
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Most of the time. What's up Elizabeth?
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How, how is Pennsylvania? You were just here and I miss
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you already. I know.
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I miss you too Pennsylvania's. Fine.
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I remember, I was in LA like I left home and it was still like,
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pretty warm and I went to LA Boise, then I lie and I lie.
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I was like, ooh, it's like a little chilly here.
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I don't like this. Yeah, can't wait to get home to
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where it wasn't chili so cold. And it's funny as soon as he
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left the I got hot here is like 85 though.
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There's a, I bring it upon myself.
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Gosh. But yeah, I'm so good having you
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here though. It's fun.
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We had a good time at some things might not worked out.
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As we said on the podcast, betrayal, your betrayal
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occurred, but I'm over it. We did not go to the Halloween
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Horror Nights that my bad not completely my bad.
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I will say Can a name drop. But it was like a third my bed,
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it was a third-year bad. Although I wasn't, I was like
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50/50 on whether or not you were actually going to show up, I was
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show up. I was just reluctant, we will
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get to the details, but we did go to a the Los Angeles.
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Haunted hayride. Yeah, that was fun.
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I paid for it, by the way you did.
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I'm quite allergic to Hay. So yeah.
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Which is unfortunate but I'm allergic to fear.
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So I only went on the hayride and into one wanted a half.
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Oh my gosh. Yeah, we really all of a sudden
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argument, we're like Elizabeth, I'm here because of you and
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Elizabeth was like, nah, I'm going to the Cinnabon truck.
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He said I have fun because I almost abandoned you all on the
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first one. I was like I can't do this.
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The hayride scared me and we were gonna freakin truck of hey,
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I was more afraid of the hey then actually.
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Yeah. Just like they got a little.
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They got too close. They got to close.
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That was my problem. Honestly, I really enjoyed the
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houses. I was ready to go.
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I want to do more, which is someone like me.
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I think I just, I don't know. So my problem with the houses or
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so I went into the first one. I was like, no, Lisbeth like
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they all paid for this. Like let's go and I went It in.
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Because it, I was like, this doesn't look very long, right?
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We get in, we get through the house and I thought you just got
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through the house and it was done.
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And then there was like, a whole, it was the halfway mark,
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there was like a hole outside portion.
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Graveyard is something I fucking me like this is awful.
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So, I just suddenly abandoned you on the second one.
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Yeah, which sucked even more because One of our friends, I
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won't say who was really having a tough time that night.
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So it was really just me. I ended up in the front.
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I was like, how did this happen? Like I'm the one who's trying
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out the poop my pants right now. So scared.
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Oh yeah, suck. But it was fun.
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I'm glad we did it. We also went to the academy
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Museum. Yes, whose costume exhibition
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was close. It's just like my time and I
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love it. Love it.
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Just spending time with you and our friends is was enough for
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me, activities wise, a bit of a letdown in terms of things, we
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were hitting road block up, not to mention that Elizabeth, and I
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lived in LA traffic. I don't know what was that this
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week, but everyone was driving their cars at all hours of the
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day. The entire trip.
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Yes, we gotta go. We just weren't going anywhere.
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Anywhere. And I was like, I remember LA
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traffic being bad. I don't remember LA traffic
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being this bad like kind of bad when you were here.
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I can't even describe it. It was just like people knew
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that Elizabeth had places to be and the universe don't want her
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to get there. They didn't, we did get the
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Florence on time though. And let's be real.
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That was the only event that truly matter.
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Farts, of course, Florence and machine was wonderful.
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I've been listening to her non-stop.
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She just came. It was your first time.
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I'm seeing here. It was, it was so good.
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I was like, next time, I definitely have to get like
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closer. Yeah, our seats were bad but
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they also like were not great. There were also like
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last-minute, in terms of like, they had already been like on
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sale and we were like, okay, let's go.
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Yeah, yeah. So all the good seats are
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already gone but I mean, it was still good.
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Yeah. I wish y'all kiss Elizabeth
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outfit though. She would came out Starting All
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These Hoes. You look so good.
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I love it. So good.
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My velvet, Veil Vadim and my little crop top.
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The tire audience was like, dude, my flower crown, her goth
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flower crown, my Gothic flower crown.
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Yeah. No, it was, it was amazing.
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I also missed the food. That's just like one thing we
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don't have here, man. Elizabeth my went to this
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Japanese barbecue place. Oh my God.
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Should you not? We were there.
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Probably three hours you were. Are three hours that poor guy,
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although I feel like that was not an inappropriate amount of
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time to be there considering how much food they gave us.
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And we had to cook it. Yeah, we had the cooker own food
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so you know how I am with cooking.
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So it took a long time. Yeah, it was so much and then
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turns out, I don't know how much 30 ounces is because I thought
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that was like like you know, a medium sized beer.
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Now this thing was like the size of my head so I really had to
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like, sip it away. You had a Starbucks.
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Trent has worth of beer. Yeah.
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But after all the fun, Spencer, what did we watch?
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We watched one of Guillermo del Toro's best, Pan's Labyrinth.
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A movie. I said I would never watch
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again. And yet, here you are.
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I loved it. I hadn't, I had seen it in like
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bits and pieces. The very first scene.
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I ever saw, I have a very vivid memory of this because it
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freaked me out is I think I was in high school and I like came
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home from babysitting, our neighbors and my dad and uncle
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were on the sofa watching it and it was The Pale Man scene.
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Yeah but I walked in on the Pale Man scene and I was like bye.
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Yeah buki. It doesn't get any I don't know.
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It's it's actually kind of corny like looking at it.
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But still last night. I was in bed.
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I was like, I don't like this. Like, I just wanna cry right
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back. It's very like, I'm on settled.
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Yeah, I don't like and you see all like the pictures of him,
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like, eating babies. And I'm just, like, no.
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Thank you. I'm good.
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Bye good. I remember when this movie came
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out, and I was like, staying at my grandma's my mom's.
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Like that's put on a movie. We watch.
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Pan's Labyrinth, and I was like, fuck you.
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Mom watching this shit again. Then you know, the two young
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enough to be chewed up by The Pale Man fell.
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Anyways I do love this movie. It is beautiful.
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The costumes are great. The story is fantastic.
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That the right. Yeah.
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Everything about fantastic. It's just unsettling it
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pretends. Like it's a kids movie but it's
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really not at all. Not at all.
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It's not it's not. It's one of those like adult,
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fairy tale, Yeah, it is what it is and I was like exactly ours
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unsettled by, I wasn't scared by it, but I wasn't subtle.
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I was just really sad. There's a me really sad.
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I was like, okay, every 10 seconds.
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I was like, okay, time to go on Tick Tock again, I think I
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probably would have cried if I hadn't been like making the
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slides for it. I thought I was watching it as
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well. By the end.
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I was just like, like, I knew she died at the end.
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Spoiler alert. I haven't seen this like 15 year
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old movies or spoiler. Warning.
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Yeah, this is your spoiler warning.
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Yeah, I knew she died but then like it gets to the end.
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It's just a little sad. Well, we have some costumes to
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talk about that. When we are rounding out our
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spooky season, this is it. Yes, this is a, it's better best
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spooky season. Well, we've only had two, but
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this one has been a lot of fun. It's been a great spooky season.
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We've had so many, like, amazing Reviews and just like spooky
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classic films, we talked about Scooby-Doo.
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I was good. I was a great.
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All right, I'll start us off with a summary in Spain. 1944,
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the bookish young stepdaughter of a sadistic Army officer
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escapes, into an eerie, but captivating fantasy world, whose
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I was a lot adjectives within a dark Labyrinth of feely As Told
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by a spooky van that she is a reincarnation.
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Nation of Princess Moana and must complete three tasks in
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order for her to acquire immortality and returned to her
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kingdom. And that is Pan's Labyrinth.
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That is Pan's Labyrinth. Let's go behind the Wardrobe.
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We have director Guillermo del Toro, and costume designer La
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Leche, whose notable works are. Do you want me to do it?
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Yeah, you do a little bit of Spanish and her Noble work such
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as Ballet or poke. The Shanghai spell lenina de tus
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Ojos lever in tow delfano, which is also Pan's Labyrinth in
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English for which she won, a bafta and a costume designers,
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Guild award. Yes.
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And then we also have special effects, makeup artists, David.
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Marty and mansae re Bay who won an Oscar for their work on.
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Pan's, Labyrinth. Oh well, good for them.
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Yeah, they were a huge part of it.
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Obviously there are a ton of monsters and special effects
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makeup in this movie and to whole characters aren't pretty
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much nothing but special effects makeup.
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And so it kind of goes into the realm of of costume for a lot of
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these characters. Yeah, they're responsible for a
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lot of my nightmares. So thank you, David and mansae
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enjoy your Oscar. And I'm sure they do.
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When we come back, we're gonna Dive Right into Pan's.
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Labyrinth, are we going to descend into Pan's Labyrinth?
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Spencer, we're going to descend, but honestly doesn't look that
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deep. Once we got down the film.
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I'm like, oh that's it. Just like some stairs.
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A child can walk. It will be fine.
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Spencer. Are you ready for?
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Pan's Labyrinth. I'm ready.
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I guess. You know who's definitely ready?
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Spencer, not a philia. Ophelia's righty.
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She jumps into those quests. Are you kidding me?
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This little girl. It was like my stepdad socks and
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my mom is dying. Let's descend in to the
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Labyrinth and see what's there. You're not my real dad and you
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never will be. Yeah, I have first.
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I was so confused. I was like why does her mother
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wants so badly for her to like call her dad like to call him
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dad to you know, like act like the like good stepdaughter.
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I'm like, oh it's because she Recognizes her husband is an
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awful man and we'll probably murder her daughter if she dies
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in childbirth. Yeah, it's just not good from
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the very second. This film starts the things
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here. Just not.
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Okay, nothing's. Okay.
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And I love the Wardrobe Lala created because it's so simple.
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Yeah, like I cuz I this is another one of those ones where
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I kind of assumed like, oh, I bet this got Oscar for the
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Wardrobe but it's so understated.
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It's so grounded. Yeah.
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That like you just kind of passes You by and like melt into
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everything. Yeah.
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But she does do a lot with color because I love that first scene
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with Ophelia Mercedes and the color, the color of Mercedes
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shawl and Ophelia stress are Oddly the same, which I love
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because Mercedes becomes like a mother figure to her.
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So, like, straight from the beginning.
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She's connecting them. Yeah, it's really beautiful.
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I thought the same thing when I was watching it again.
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Last night, I'm like, I always imagined it to be a very
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costumey film. I went back as like, it really
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isn't but what Lala does with the costumes is just very like a
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real and authentic costuming. Clearly you know, they've left
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their previous home. I'm guessing in a hurry.
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Don't come from money. But you know, her new dad, her
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new dad does your new dad has a lot of money so they're, you
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know, she put on just her simple wardrobe, probably that's all
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she has. And I traveled so I think good
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costume designing really sometimes knows how to like take
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a step back and you usually see that with contemporary not so
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much period. So it's really interesting
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actually because for period, you think of Marie Antoinette and
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yeah Bridge certain in this period is just very like things
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are not good. It focus on the killer acting
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that's happening. Yeah yeah that's that's what the
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costume design. Lets you do it, let's everything
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else. The acting the set design
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doesn't most photography, it lets that shine uninterrupted.
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But what does interrupt some of that stuff is the special
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effects? Up friends we have Doug Jones
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back, the fine. Did this come out before or
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after Hellboy? I got to look that up before
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before, right? So this then this might have
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been my first. I still feel like I saw Hellboy
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first. Honestly, I don't know if I saw
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something came out, but this is prime Doug tono.
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I think this is after how boy, after the first Hellboy and then
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Guillermo del Toro does the second Hellboy right?
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He does actually he was getting ready to do a sequel, to Pan's
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Labyrinth and he they ended up canceling, it because Guillermo
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was like I'm going to do the Golden Army.
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Instead that's my one behind a wardrobe fact which is even
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about the Wardrobe. Okay.
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I don't need a sequel to miss, maybe not because I wouldn't
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love to be back in this world. Like it's very interesting and I
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think he had a lot to say but it's just like as it is I'm like
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her soul. Goes to its original realm and
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she lives like happily ever after.
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Like I bet you give him a said the exact same thing.
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He was like I'm gonna do Hellboy, we're good here.
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People are already Disturbed, they don't need anymore.
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He's like I have other ways to disturb them.
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It's fine. I got Crimson Peak cooking or
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all good. There's actually a character in
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Pan's Labyrinth. That looks a lot like the fun.
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I mean, I'm sorry. There's a character in a golden
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Army. That looks a lot like the van.
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Actually, the like Angel. If you remember, I do remember.
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And the same special effects team that worked on this also
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worked on so that Hellboy 2. Yeah, and I was watching a lot
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of their aren't like a ton of articles are behind the Wardrobe
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facts. Again, this is a pre-2010 I
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think 2006 2006. Yeah, pre-2010 Is not a ton out
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there on it, but I did find some like, some good behind the
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scenes, especially of the two characters, Doug Jones plays and
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the Fonz wardrobe is actually pretty interesting.
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In one interview I found with David.
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He such a variety pants face was a mix of techniques.
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We wanted him to feel free for the Spanish.
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Dialogue from the nose up. All was Servo controlled nose
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eyelid, eyebrows eyes. We hid the little monitors in
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the horns. Everything was very small and
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flat to keep the head in proportion with the body.
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This is insane looking at this. You guys can see the pictures
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were looking at, but Doug Jones is literally in, I mean, this
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Faun costume is real everyone. There's visual effects of
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course, but it's like 90% real. It's huge, he's tall.
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He's like touching the ceiling. Yes, I mean Doug Jones is a tall
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man. And they add about six inches.
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Yeah, it's sitting in, it's insane and we part that's VFX
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looks like is Doug. Jones is legs.
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Like from the knees down, which I was watching a film to, I was
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like, whoa, like, that's some curvature on the lake.
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So that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
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They Totally removed his legs. But yeah.
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So like the whole like top of the face is almost like a puppet
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that they control and it was really fascinating because like,
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the horns, like are mechanical and like, move a little bit.
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And so, so it's like here from like, below the nose up is like
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a piece, they put on his head and then that's his mouth with
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like, Prosthetics around it. He has like this, like They all
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seem like a fake nose so that when like the prosthetic went
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over like it like everything flattened out correctly.
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And then he was saying in this like behind the scenes, he he
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was, like, I've been like in the industry about 20 years and he
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was like, up to this point. It was the most comfortable.
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Su he'd ever worn. He's like half, my work has been
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like covered up in things and he's like, this is the most
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comfortable because he said that's shocking.
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Shocking, right? I mean, he not that.
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It was like, oh, like comfortable could wear it all
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day, but he said it was like the most comfortable, right?
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And he's at, usually a suit like this, they usually go on in one
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piece and he's like they're hard to put on.
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They put all like you carry the weight on your shoulders and you
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do that all day. However, for the Fawn, there was
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basically a piece for his legs that Um, locked onto a belt
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around his waist. So he was like the wait for the
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legs was held on my hips, then there was a stomach like that
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last that he was zipped into, and then the chest and arms were
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its own separate piece as well, and it, like, buttoned up in the
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back, like, they use the little like Branch Parts within the
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costume to hide the the buttons, then they like, Snapped it all
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up. And so, he like had all this
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movement and could, you know, for as cumbersome a costume as
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it was he had a much more much more movement than he would
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normally have in a costume like this, right?
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It's so interesting. I mean, it's such iconic
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character and the fact that Doug Jones is actually in there.
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I mean, Doug Jones is one of the greatest of all time.
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The mannerisms. He brings into this costume to
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are so real and It's an excellent performance.
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And I mean, let's be real. It's the one costume to rule
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them all. To, it's just that Elizabeth
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degrees, maybe, but it like this, it's up there, it's up
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there. It's definitely out there.
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It's just so incredible. It's so incredible.
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Another thing that's incredible because the phone is voiced by
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another Spanish actor. But Doug Jones delivered, all
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the lines in Spanish during filming, that's incredible.
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I was like that too. When I was watching, I'm like
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there's no way that's Doug's voice.
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No, it's not his voice and that and David he was so impressed
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because he was like, this is like, he's like this is not a
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hard at. This is not an easy suit to move
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in and he's like going backwards and crouching down and like
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moving and he was like, you know, Doug Jones, doesn't speak
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Spanish but he's delivering. Yeah, all the lines in Spanish.
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So he's like he's doing all this and this uncomfortable suit.
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And then he's also having to think about his lines here.
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They're in a totally different language and it's like poof.
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Yeah, talk about commitment. It's a master class and we
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haven't talked too much about the actual detail to suit too
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much. But like, the van has been down
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there for a long time and it's just a stuff coming off of him.
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He's growing into the Labyrinth. He looks old.
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Yeah, it'll feel as like he smells like Earth and I guess
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that like, you could tell that the the suit looks like it
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smells like Earth. I know what a feeling.
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I meant when she said that, I want to invite her on a podcast
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and be like, talk to me about the suit, right?
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No, it's brilliant. It's just like, and it's all
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these like, a lovely, like Mossy greens and like dots, the world
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around us Mossy. He's very Mossy the van.
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That's good. Say cobwebby that wasn't right.
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Yeah. But then also like the detailing
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on the chest, it almost looks like he has like the Labyrinth
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like etched her tattooed into his skin.
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I think is so interesting. Yeah, it's just genius work.
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So genius, also, one lovely character, who this is, like one
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of those people. I'm like, I wanted because it's
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a they go pretty quickly through most the characters, but I
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wanted to know more about Carmen Ophelia's mother.
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Yeah, I agree. Ariana gill who plays Carmen
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she's beautiful and she wears these Close so well.
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But yeah, the whole time you're just wearing like what?
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What is this girl's life? I want to know what happened?
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Like your mama. We don't need a sequel.
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We need a prequel. She we need, we need a prequel
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because I was, I was confused. So I'm like, okay I get that.
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Like the the captain was like her husband's client but then
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like someone at the table is like oh so funny that you met
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after again after all these years and I'm like that, they
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know each other back. And the day, it's just
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shadiness. I'm sure it's so much shade
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Eunice, but I love how throughout the whole film was
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just like, oh, she's beautiful. She's beautiful.
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And she's beautiful. And it's like, okay, that's why
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the captain like married her. Yeah.
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But then lalala just like shows that off in such like a simple
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way she uses all these like, soft colors, simple cuts and
26:00
Silhouettes. Not like it just lets her shine.
26:04
Fine. Yeah, very proper.
26:06
I love this, like a mint green shirt.
26:09
She wears at some point, it's very simple, very chic and then
26:13
I love that one. White outfit, does she wears
26:15
with the headband? It's just so, it's just so
26:19
beautiful and it's very classic and Chic interesting that she's
26:24
wearing white. This might be the outfit that
26:27
she has her health issues in, which is interesting that they
26:32
picked white. I think that was a great choice.
26:34
By the costume designer and especially, ooh, oh, my gosh, is
26:39
coming together in my head because the Mandrake was in a
26:42
pool of milk. Yeah.
26:44
And then the Mandrake is so then Carmen is wearing white at the
26:48
same time. Interesting good.
26:49
That's good costume. Designing right, right.
26:53
Nice also I thought was some good costume.
26:56
Design was the dress Carmen, that's for Ophelia.
27:01
Oh no. I was getting ready to jump into
27:03
screen and Shake It Off. Philia.
27:05
Do not get that dress. Dirty is so good.
27:10
She tried her best although I have to admit, I'm like, you
27:13
know, your daughter. Why did you put her in this
27:16
outfit hours before the actual event, right?
27:21
And then what was that? Like little white, you know,
27:24
down on top of it was oh the pain of.
27:27
I think it's called a pain of for.
27:29
It's just like a little cute apron, right?
27:32
Well, you don't get the dress dirty.
27:35
That work though. I do love that dress, though.
27:40
I was thinking when I saw was like, okay, this is a really
27:43
cool costume piece because we hadn't really seen one so far
27:46
except for the van. Yeah, I love that.
27:49
Like beautiful emerald. Green had such a shine to it
27:53
which then when you contrast it to after she has the first task,
27:57
which is so disgusting. Disgusting.
27:59
So dirty. So I love that it loses its
28:02
Shine by the end of it. Yeah.
28:04
Yeah, and it's I like it because it's very much who her mother
28:08
wants her to be. She wants her to just be this
28:11
sweet obedient little girl, who does everything right and looks
28:17
perfect so that you know, the harsh world around her won't
28:22
hopefully, you know, affect her too much.
28:26
And she's just like, no I have to go on a quest like this is
28:29
more important. She said there's a ticket out of
28:33
here and it's through the underworld.
28:34
Old-time sold. She's like, I am there for it.
28:40
I am therefore it and you can't stop me.
28:42
Yeah, I remember the first task to and I've I was nervous coming
28:46
up to his level. So gross.
28:48
I was confused. I was like, what is this toad
28:53
happening? I really thought you seen this
28:56
movie, when you put Elizabeth pick this, everybody what she
29:00
did. I was like, oh, like Elizabeth
29:01
loves. Pan's Labyrinth, of course,
29:03
they're doing Pan's Labyrinth. I didn't Has he hadn't seen it?
29:07
No, I hadn't. I just I want to be when we were
29:11
needing to switch things up a bit.
29:13
I was like, oh, this is like as a spooky movie with good.
29:20
Like from what I had seen like, great costuming, let's do that.
29:25
Yeah. And then I was like, this is so
29:27
sad, which by the way, for those of you who might listen to last
29:32
week's episode and he heard that this work has made a difference.
29:34
Sold. We had some scheduling conflicts
29:37
but they will be resolved and that episode will come to pass
29:42
just in the future, not now, but it is going to happen.
29:45
We're very excited for it but and if you didn't hear, then
29:49
don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry about it.
29:51
It's fine. But you know what's about to not
29:58
be fine? Spencer, some fairies, some
30:02
fairies. The rest of this movie.
30:05
Yeah, a little bit of a tea break, and then let's, let's get
30:09
back into the Labyrinth. All right, I'm gonna go grab my
30:12
chalk drawing door. See you soon.
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Elizabeth are you ready to talk about some evil Soldier guys?
31:33
Who your future dad? I have not felt so unsettled by
31:40
a villain as much as I felt. By the doll in a long time.
31:46
Yeah. The captain is he plays a really
31:50
good villains. Sergei Lopez, very creepy, very
31:54
unsettled, which brings me to what we love to talk about in
31:58
this podcast is just like War uniform military costume.
32:04
This is incredible costuming, it's It's a Spooky.
32:09
It is so spooky. From what I can tell, it's very
32:12
true to the period but like the way she liked the color she
32:18
chose. So I'm not sure if they're
32:20
entirely accurate. Hmm.
32:23
But like the colors are just so like cold and muted and
32:27
Sinister. And then the way she
32:30
accessorizes and all his like black trench coat with like the
32:37
A little round glasses. Yeah, and you know how I feel
32:41
about round glasses. They do know you're not a fan.
32:45
No, it just says spooky spooky spooky spooky.
32:49
I'm here to do bad things. I do love his coat that he uses
32:53
as a cape, though. That's pretty badass.
32:57
I will say, yeah. Stealth every time I saw this
32:59
guy on screen I instantly was like clenched up a little.
33:03
I don't like him. Oh my gosh.
33:05
So disturbing the things he does.
33:07
Does this is why I'm so messed up now.
33:09
I mean yes ashes that one guy's head in with a bottle and it
33:13
turns out they were just hunting rabbits.
33:16
Yeah. Like a failure to communicate.
33:20
Yeah. That's disturbing.
33:21
I was not ready. I knew the movie was disturbing.
33:24
Hmm. But I was like, so, mentally
33:26
preparing myself for who we're going to talk about next to Pale
33:29
Man. The I forgot how creepy this guy
33:33
is. I'm sorry.
33:33
He is the scariest part of this movie.
33:36
Yeah. Is the scariest part of this
33:39
movie because he doesn't care dipel, man.
33:42
Yeah, he would. Let's be honest, he would murder
33:46
The Pale Man. Like he want to be scared of the
33:49
Pale Man. He'd be like oh, you eat
33:52
children? Yeah, I smashed people's faces
33:55
and with bottles adults. Okay, exactly.
34:02
Well, I also love cuz he's like, so about appearances.
34:06
I love how How much they showed him like taking care of like,
34:10
getting dressed and polishing his boots and like making sure
34:14
like olives like his clothes are so.
34:16
So, yeah, which then, at the end of the movie, one, like, he's
34:20
just like, unraveling you can really like, tell that through
34:24
his costume because it's like his costumes.
34:26
Filthy from Mercedes sick. Use of her little kitchen knife.
34:32
Come on Guillermo del Toro loves us like a thick stabbing scene.
34:37
Yeah, if you know because I've still not over Crimson Peak and
34:40
that was last season, I like was not prepared because I was a
34:45
little bit confused on that seeks.
34:46
I was like, wait, but he murders, Ophelia at the end
34:50
because like Mercedes stabs him multiple times before she like
34:53
cuts his mouth open but she doesn't finish the job.
34:57
She doesn't finish the job. And I'm just like, how was this
34:59
man functioning with like at least four stab wounds in his
35:04
body? Let me just tell you all if you
35:06
stab Me in the face. I will be done for the rest of
35:09
the day. Yeah, my will not be following.
35:11
You one stab in the back, will get me.
35:14
I'll be like, I'm good. You can go.
35:17
You can go. This is all one will never be in
35:20
charge of anything Spencer, besides this podcast and
35:26
publication we can commanding in the Army's, we won't, we won't
35:31
be committing any armies. We won't be we won't be in
35:35
charge of any torture. So the first the first little
35:42
pushback we'd be like, okay it's fine, you can go, I'm sorry.
35:45
Hey take it easy. All right, get out of here with
35:48
your pointy knife. I'm not into it.
35:51
You know who has been bothering me since I was a kid though was
35:55
no man. Yes that is messed up.
35:59
It is just sick. I hate looking at it it it was
36:03
so great and it's not even like it's not even that big a Part of
36:07
the movie, but I thought the Pale Man.
36:10
Scene was much longer I did too, but that's because pride of
36:13
first time we saw it felt like an eternity.
36:16
Yeah. Like I know dollar that seen the
36:19
first time I saw it, I turned around.
36:21
I went to bed. No.
36:25
I was like, no, thank you. And what a philia starts like
36:28
looking at the grapes and the fairies are like, bro.
36:31
Don't do it. Yeah, yelling at my TV and I was
36:34
fully in bed at this point. And I sat up I was I Hey knock
36:38
it off. The van said, don't eat the
36:40
grapes. Yeah, I like how did the van not
36:43
know? She went to bed hungry.
36:46
He should have given her some food.
36:49
The van should have been like, here's an apple.
36:51
Eat it. And then be on your way.
36:53
But the actual point of the task force of simple, she walked in.
36:56
And what grabbed the knife was this a knife or was that front
36:59
of? She was nice.
37:01
Yeah, okay, so she walked in grabbed a knife in and she just
37:05
had to leave. I mean this should have took all
37:07
of four minutes. She could have went out for
37:10
food. After we head up the
37:11
Jack-in-the-Box whatever. But no, she was just so tempted
37:15
by, but that's like a clock. That's a classic like, fairytale
37:19
Trope. Like you do exactly what you
37:21
were told not to. Yeah.
37:23
And you have to redeem yourself way to go filia but let's talk
37:28
about the pale man does. This is just this costume is
37:35
Disturbed and I cannot Leave that Doug.
37:37
Jones is under there once again. Yes, it is.
37:40
Our friend Doug Jones again. And for both The Pale Man, and
37:46
the van, it took five hours to get him into the character each
37:50
day. Oh my gosh, we're looking at
37:53
some behind-the-scenes photos and they're even worse.
37:55
Like, you think think bare-chested Doug Jones?
37:58
If the Pale Man head, it's not okay?
38:02
Yeah, and so the via fax, people who created the suit they sign.
38:07
Del Toro like their sketches are like, oh, this is what we're
38:09
thinking and he was basically like like take the like Smooth
38:14
out the eyes and like put just like 20 nostril holes and that's
38:19
it. There were like, oh yeah.
38:21
Okay. Once again the VFX took out Doug
38:25
Jones has legs too, so it looks like a little like chicken legs.
38:29
Without, you know, with the green screen behind him.
38:32
I know. I'm like, this is like, this is
38:34
how visual effects especially for creature.
38:37
X should be done. It should be a mix of practical,
38:41
you know, Prosthetics and like special effects green screen
38:47
like enhancing taking out, you know, like little seams and
38:52
stuff because it works so well. And it looks so good.
38:56
Yeah, so disturbing. I mean, I'll never forget.
38:59
The first time I saw him, put his eyeballs in his hands and
39:02
use his hands as eyes and yes, that I will rock your world the
39:08
first time. Yeah, that's what I walked in on
39:11
Spencer. Yeah, that's messed up.
39:14
Even me all 27 years old and bed.
39:17
Last thing. I was like, I know I'm going to
39:19
watch something else after this. Something happier like the new
39:23
Ryan Murphy murder show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:29
I put on Big Bang Theory after this but it does.
39:35
This is so creepy, especially the thing.
39:37
There's like how they're just like they're so pointy.
39:40
And they like turn black at the ends.
39:42
Like yeah. What's that about?
39:44
Don't like it. Yeah, the Pale Man is just like
39:48
unsettling to no end. Yeah.
39:52
Right. But after all, the creepiness of
39:55
the labyrinth, after the horror of her real life of the whole
40:01
thing's real, this is a spooky season finale hoarding to The
40:07
like lure of it, this is all actually happening to her, but
40:11
she's finally gets goes back to being the princess of the
40:15
underworld and it is beautiful. Yeah, it makes me, it's like,
40:21
such a Bittersweet moment because in one hand, you're
40:24
like, is this even real another Handler because she deserves
40:28
this. I'm just going to there's no
40:29
sequel. So just accept it.
40:31
Enjoy it. It's beautiful.
40:33
The underworlds gorgeous. Everyone's rain, Reds, and
40:36
golds. Old Ritz Golden Army you know.
40:40
But I think everything about this just says happiness and
40:44
she's going to be okay. And the costuming is excellent
40:48
and the scene it really really is the they all have these
40:54
brilliant Scarlet, Red cloaks, she has like this like it's not
41:00
like a cloak cloak but it goes over her beautiful gold dress,
41:04
that's embroidered with these red flowers.
41:07
Her mother and father are in gold and think her mother is
41:10
holding her little brother to. I don't know.
41:13
I was confused by that and it was just like, a perfect.
41:20
Beautiful ending. Yeah, it was perfect.
41:23
That third task was wild though. Yeah.
41:25
That's a, I would have did will feel you did because if I was
41:28
like, just a little poke poke and I was like a little I don't
41:32
like I'm just gonna like prick his finger and like we're good
41:34
to go. I was like that.
41:36
I could come with you. Yeah, philia straight was like,
41:38
nah. And then she, you know, gets
41:40
shot. I was like, just a little poke
41:42
is fine. Don't know, he won't remember
41:44
this, right? Is messed up, but good for you.
41:49
I feel you did nothing. She did the right thing in the
41:52
face of her psychotic stepfather.
41:55
That's a murder her and that is Pan's Labyrinth.
42:01
What a wild ride and a great finale to our spooky season?
42:05
Yes, absolutely. Ali, and it's time for our
42:09
favorite game, the one costume to rule them all.
42:19
Spencer, what was your one costume to rule them all?
42:22
Mine just has to be the fun costume.
42:25
I mean, it's just so iconic. And honestly before this
42:29
episode, I wasn't quite sure how much of it was like practical
42:32
and how much was VFX. Hmm.
42:35
So now that I'm seeing that it was basically 90% practical they
42:40
just cut out, Doug Jones has legs.
42:42
It's definitely my favorite costume.
42:44
It's just beautiful. I love the colors of it too.
42:46
I didn't really speak. Peak of that earlier.
42:48
But it's just beautiful and seeing the mosque and off of
42:51
him. He's growing into the Labyrinth.
42:54
He shakes a lot which goes with the costume, I just thought it
42:57
was stunning. I agree.
42:59
That is a wonderful choice. However, my one costume to rule
43:04
them all. It's her green dress and pain of
43:06
for because it's really like I feel like it's a personal
43:12
turning point for her where she's really she makes - she's
43:18
really out to just like not obey her stepfather, not make him
43:23
happy, I love that little smile, she gives her mother.
43:27
When her mother's like you upset me, but used to upset him, even
43:30
more, which I didn't understand. Because he didn't seem to give
43:35
a, who about her. She talks to her.
43:38
Father, we're father and quotation marks like once or
43:42
twice in this movie, he claimed the beginning and the end.
43:45
Yeah, the only time he He actually talks to her is like
43:49
when he finds the mandrake root. Yeah.
43:52
Right. He's all pissed about it.
43:53
That was one of three scenes they had together.
43:56
So I think he would have been fine Mom.
43:58
I think he would have been too. But um yeah I think it's really
44:02
her like rejecting, you know, this world and what it wants her
44:08
to be in like, seeking out what she needs for herself.
44:13
Right? Yeah, I mean, it is a beautiful
44:15
costume. I love the color and I love
44:17
that. So says that she's just ready to
44:19
get down and dirty and yeah, get stuff done because she sees
44:22
things and above ground, world are not going well.
44:25
And she said, if I want out, it means, I gotta go hang out with
44:29
some frogs, some pale naked people, some big old goat man
44:34
and get out of here. So she's ready to go.
44:37
Even if it means destroying that very beautiful, emerald dress.
44:41
Yes. If you agree with me, please let
44:44
me know. You can leave us a voicemail at
44:46
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44:52
Spencer, you could also leave that voicemail if you disagree
44:56
with us. I suppose you could leave that
44:58
voicemail as well. Maybe we'll play it next time.
45:01
I personally will be okay if you disagree with me because the van
45:04
is disturbing. And I understand if you never
45:06
want to talk about it again. Yeah.
45:08
Yeah. If you don't want to talk about
45:10
this, we get it. You could just call us and say
45:13
hi. That's okay.
45:14
Yeah. If you just want to chat a
45:16
little bit but That's okay too. But Spencer, what are we
45:22
watching next week? Oh my gosh, I was so excited
45:28
next week, we are going to talk about the new Amazon series.
45:33
Are you guys ready for this? The rings of power, the Lord of
45:37
the Rings? I just, I cannot say enough good
45:42
things about the show is so good, and if there's any haters
45:45
out there, you will be Successfully shut down in the
45:49
next episode. So be ready for this eat because
45:52
it's coming. We yeah, we accept, you know,
45:57
constructive criticism we do not accept haters.
46:00
Yeah, this is going to be a zero tolerance episode for hatred
46:04
because the rings of power was genius.
46:07
I loved it. It was so good.
46:10
If you want to hate on it you are not welcome here.
46:16
You can keep that to yourself. Okay.
46:19
In the meantime, while you're catching up on rings of power on
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Oh my gosh. Give me two seconds.
49:08
Anyone's demanding to be. Let out was with ceiling at her
49:12
cat right now. With sounds serious.
49:15
What do you do? She said, stop staring at me
49:22
that why you're being a menace? Dear.
49:27
I'll now she's holding the cat back.
49:33
You're holding a cat. Now, you were literally begging
49:36
to sit on my lap an hour ago. They're fighting again, you need
49:42
to make decisions in your life Aon.
49:45
Well she's parenting right now. This girl does not play with
49:54
toys. She hasn't since she was a
49:56
kitten. She's like, I'm too old for
49:57
that. She wants to roll around on the
50:01
floor and have been be pet by me.