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CULT MOM LORI VALLOW JUST CHARGED WITH ANOTHER MURDER! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Cult mom Laurie Valo. Oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: did you think that was over when she got convicted
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  Speaker 1: in the murders of her two children, Tyleie aged sixteen
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  Speaker 1: and JJH seven. No, no, remember the children's bodies that
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  Speaker 1: were found. JJ was basically hermetically sealed and almost perfect condition.
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  Speaker 1: Tyleie had been eviscerated, horribly, horribly dismembered. Yes, she was
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  Speaker 1: convinced that she did not get the death penalty, but
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  Speaker 1: her cases are not over yet. Does the name Charles
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  Speaker 1: Valo ring a bell? He's one of the mean dead
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  Speaker 1: bodies connected to cult mom Laurie Valo. I, Nancy Grace,
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  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Charles Valo I believe gunned down in cold blood at
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  Speaker 1: the behest. I believe of cult mom Lorie Valo after
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  Speaker 1: she lured him to the location. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: let me jog your memory. Listen.
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  Speaker 2: In the fight with my brother in lawn, I shot
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  Speaker 2: him until.
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  Speaker 1: The tenth Hey, good breathing.
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  Speaker 3: I can't tell.
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  Speaker 1: Are you learning? Are you willing to go over to
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  Speaker 1: him and check?
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  Speaker 4: Sure?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's blood.
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  Speaker 6: He's not moving.
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  Speaker 1: He's pretty nonchalant, like a daisical. Ah, yeah, there's blood,
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  Speaker 1: he's not moving. Listen to more.
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  Speaker 3: I turned around and he hit me in the back
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  Speaker 3: of the head.
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  Speaker 1: Of the bathroom.
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  Speaker 7: So I went to my room and got my gun.
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  Speaker 6: So, Harriet, you went to your room.
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  Speaker 1: You're staying.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you brought your bride a gun with you?
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  Speaker 3: Do you always get bring a gun? I don't consumer carryology.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, Hi, who are you?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Just stand all different, just a segregation.
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  Speaker 9: And then uh.
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  Speaker 3: I told him to put the bat down and he wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Then he came outpy to get him wipe to show.
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  Speaker 8: Up his walk.
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  Speaker 10: Mm hmmm.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't sound upset at all. And there is a
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  Speaker 1: legal theory called cooling off period number one. I don't
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  Speaker 1: believe that Lauri Valo called Ma Laurie Vello's brother Alex Cox,
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  Speaker 1: was ever hit with a bat. I don't think that's true.
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  Speaker 1: But even so he goes into the house and comes
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  Speaker 1: back with a gun. That's called a cooling off period.
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  Speaker 1: This turns into not self defense but murder. Well, it's
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  Speaker 1: not over yet. And remember Laurie Valo is there at
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  Speaker 1: the time her ex husband, her husband, Charles Valo, is
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  Speaker 1: gunned down dead by her brother. This is all her maneuvering. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: So you told him to put the yes, So where
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  Speaker 1: are you at? And I know where are you at?
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  Speaker 4: Now?
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  Speaker 1: Did you stay in your bedroom?
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  Speaker 4: No? Okay? Why did you stay just in your bedroom?
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  Speaker 1: Closed the door?
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  Speaker 3: Is that some of you.
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  Speaker 11: Can think about it or didn't even heard of me?
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  Speaker 12: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So walk me through it. So you go back in
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  Speaker 1: your room?
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  Speaker 6: So I just went back to the liver or like,
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  Speaker 6: what is your problem with the gun again?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: And I said I want you to put that back down,
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  Speaker 3: and he wouldn't do it. He's like you.
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  Speaker 7: And he came at me with bat again after you're
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  Speaker 7: already hitting out head. So nice time him to stop him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe that for one minute, standing by
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  Speaker 1: egging the whole murder on Colt Mom Lorie Valo. Guys, again,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we know right now. But first to the news
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  Speaker 1: director of the East Idaho News dot Com, who has
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  Speaker 1: been about three inches of Colet Mom's Lori Valo's tail
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  Speaker 1: pipe since the get go before her children were ever found.
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  Speaker 1: He smelled a rat chaser all the way to Hawaii
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  Speaker 1: and back in an effort to find JJ in Tyly.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're onto another murder. Nate eaton joining us. Nate,
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  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What happened to Charles Valow?
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  Speaker 4: Charles Valo went over to pick up his son JJ
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  Speaker 4: to take him to school. It was July of twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 4: and when he went in the house, the account was
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  Speaker 4: that he got into some sort of argument with Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 4: Laurie's brother, Tylee was there. JJ was there, Laurie was there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh darn all the other witnesses are dead. Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: is dead. JJ is dead. God rest his soul. Tyley
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  Speaker 1: is dead, God rest her soul. The only person left
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  Speaker 1: to tell the story is Colt. Mom, Laurie Valley. You
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  Speaker 1: think I'm taking her word for anything? She told me
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  Speaker 1: this guy was blue, I'd say, no, it's absolute. Read
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  Speaker 1: go ahead, right.
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  Speaker 4: So that's when Alex Cox says that Charles, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: came after with a bat. And now remember Nancy, Charles
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  Speaker 4: was an athlete. Charles played baseball. He's not going to
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  Speaker 4: swing and miss when you hit someone in the head
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  Speaker 4: with a bat and that's when Alex said, in self defense,
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  Speaker 4: he had to get a gun. He shot Charles. It
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  Speaker 4: came out though later in court that Charles was not
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  Speaker 4: just shot. Once Charles was shot when he was lying
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  Speaker 4: on the ground, they found a bullet in the floor
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  Speaker 4: underneath his body. That's when Lorie Valo left with her
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  Speaker 4: son JJ, went to Burger King.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what what white, white white did you just say?
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  Speaker 1: After his father is gun down in front of him,
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  Speaker 1: they go celebrate at Burger King. And didn't they go
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  Speaker 1: buy flip flops or something at Walmart or Costco?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Walgreens. They stopped by Walgreens and got a pair
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  Speaker 4: of flip flops. Then she dropped JJ off at school
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  Speaker 4: and came back to that house. And that's where we've
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  Speaker 4: seen that video where she's kind of laughing and saying
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  Speaker 4: she just moved into the neighborhood while the police are
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  Speaker 4: interrogating her and investigating the death of her husband.
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  Speaker 1: Does your husband live there? No? Gotcha?
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha?
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  Speaker 1: How long have you guys lived there?
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  Speaker 8: How long have you lived here? Three weeks?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Jeez? Yeah, okay, gotcha?
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  Speaker 13: Like, hi, neighbor, Sorry, are.
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  Speaker 1: You working it?
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  Speaker 9: All I know.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, and you're still about five six twenty start when.
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  Speaker 4: You think it makes a little sense.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, So.
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  Speaker 4: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: because he offered to get me a house here where
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  Speaker 1: all my family is.
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  Speaker 6: So we were in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing coult Mom Laurie Valo speaking guys. Charles vale
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  Speaker 1: just one of the many bodies, dead bodies connected to
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  Speaker 1: call Mom Laurie Valo. And now she has taken to
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  Speaker 1: a new jurisdiction to answer up on those charges. But
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  Speaker 1: that's not all as it relates to Charles Valow. Their
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  Speaker 1: problems go way back before she saw to it that
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  Speaker 1: he was shot dead. Take a listen to bodycam footage
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  Speaker 1: of cops talking to Charles Valo on an earlier occasion.
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  Speaker 3: So what's going on tonight?
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  Speaker 4: I can't get in touch with on this of kids?
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  Speaker 1: How old are your kids?
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  Speaker 12: Six and a half and sixteenth?
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  Speaker 8: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: How long have you been trying? Two days? Okay?
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  Speaker 12: But she she's lost her mind out of the house
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  Speaker 12: to say it, we're lds. She thinks she's a resurrected.
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  Speaker 14: Being in a god And remember one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 14: four thousand. She's come to Jesus is coming next year.
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  Speaker 14: She took all the money out of her bank account.
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  Speaker 1: Today you're here the voice. I've now murdered Charles Valo
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  Speaker 1: on a previous occasion, he's trying to get his son
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  Speaker 1: and can't find him anywhere, and he's talking to cops
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  Speaker 1: about it. Listen to more.
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  Speaker 12: My truck has gone from the report.
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  Speaker 4: She went to the airport and got it.
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  Speaker 14: I just lew in from Houston from Dallas.
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  Speaker 3: You stand out.
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  Speaker 4: So the truck I don't know, a.
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  Speaker 3: Good friend of mine.
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  Speaker 14: Truck had picked me up.
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  Speaker 12: I went to the CSI to follow report, which is good?
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  Speaker 12: Here any bridges or something?
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  Speaker 3: Final report?
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  Speaker 8: So you did you did? You did the petition the
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  Speaker 8: order to pick up?
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 1: What time did you do?
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  Speaker 3: Do that have real?
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So what makes her a danger to herself? And two
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  Speaker 3: others threatened me? Murdered me, kill me.
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  Speaker 1: She threatened to murder you. Yes, joining me right now
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  Speaker 1: is Rex Connor. This is called mom. Lori Valo Dave
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  Speaker 1: Bail's uncle, host of a podcast, Silver Linings, and author
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  Speaker 1: of an incredible book, Laurie's Lies and Family Ties, Healing
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  Speaker 1: from the Tiley and JJ tragedy. Rex Connor, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. When I hear Charles Valo speaking,
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  Speaker 1: it's heartbreaking. He's telling the cops she's threatened to kill me.
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  Speaker 3: It is heartbreaking. No one can hear that and just
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  Speaker 3: not be heartbroken by the fact that he's trying to
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  Speaker 3: get her help. He's not afraid for his own life
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  Speaker 3: or coward, and he's trying to get help for Laurie.
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  Speaker 1: As it stands right now, Nate Eaton joining us from
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  Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot Com with the new murder charges
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  Speaker 1: regarding the Charles Valo murder. Is she facing the death penalty.
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  Speaker 4: At this point? Prosecutors have not said that because it's
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  Speaker 4: a conspiracy to commit murder charge. As of now, it's not.
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  Speaker 4: But remember, Nancy, it's not just one charge, it's two
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  Speaker 4: for the conspiracy to commit the murder of her nephew
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  Speaker 4: at the t her nephew.
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  Speaker 1: The nephew is still alive. F YI. Update, you don't
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  Speaker 1: get the DP if the victim is still alive. The
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  Speaker 1: only way she's going to get the DP is if
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  Speaker 1: they charge her correctly with murder one, not just conspiracy,
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  Speaker 1: and pursue the death builty time stories with Nancy Greece
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  Speaker 1: Bank to you, Rex Connor, She's been threatening to kill
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  Speaker 1: him forever. As she did it, she was there, she
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  Speaker 1: arranged it, She lured him there to pick up JJ
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  Speaker 1: and now he's dead. He told cops, she wants to
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  Speaker 1: kill me. What is the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's up to the prosecutors. We just you know,
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  Speaker 3: we want justice and we want the most amount of
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  Speaker 3: justice you can get in this life. So I personally
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  Speaker 3: had that feeling. I'm with you on that.
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  Speaker 1: Rich Robertson is joining us Arizona based private investigator for
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and the Woodcock family. He owns R three Investigations.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at our three Investigations dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Rich Robertson your client Boodreau. He was shot at by
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  Speaker 1: this gang headed up by Laurie Valo. Listen.
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  Speaker 15: Brandon Boudreau calls nine to one one reporting that someone
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  Speaker 15: shot at his car as he drove into his neighborhood.
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  Speaker 15: He believes Laurie's brother Alex was the trigger man. Boudreau
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  Speaker 15: had been married to Valodabell's niece, Melanie Pilowski, but after
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  Speaker 15: they divorced, Valodabell believed Boudreau, like her ex husband Charles,
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  Speaker 15: was controlled by a dark spirit, and according to Valodabell,
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  Speaker 15: the only way to get rid of a dark spirit
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  Speaker 15: is to kill it.
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  Speaker 1: Rich Robertson, what do you.
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  Speaker 8: Say, Well, we're certainly going to find out what the
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  Speaker 8: evidence is that links LORII to all this, and it
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  Speaker 8: was I think it's pretty well settled that Alex Cox
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  Speaker 8: was the guy who not only shot Charles Valo in July,
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  Speaker 8: but then in October nineteen, was the guy who put
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  Speaker 8: put the gun out the back of a jeep Cherokee
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  Speaker 8: and fired a shot at Brandon as he pulled into
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  Speaker 8: his driveway. Who was behind arranging all of that? What
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  Speaker 8: the evidence is, all the communications that was going on
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  Speaker 8: between Alex, LORI, Chad whomever, text messages, phone calls, cell
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  Speaker 8: tower tracking, and I'm sure all of that is going
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  Speaker 8: to be the evidence as to who was involved in
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  Speaker 8: the conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you're here, Richard Robertson, high profile private investigator based
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona. Kurt n Ermy is very well known legal analyst,
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  Speaker 1: former lead counsel to none other than Jody arius Man.
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  Speaker 1: I bet she schooled you on defense defense attorneying, author
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  Speaker 1: of trapped with ms arias on Amazon Kirk Nurmi lightning
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  Speaker 1: around who would benefit from Charles Vallew's death?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: Laurie who threatened to kill Charles Valie, Glorie, anybody else.
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  Speaker 3: Not that I know of.
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  Speaker 1: Who's home Laurie's and who was there when he was murdered?
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  Speaker 2: Laurie, jadej Tylie and Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 1: Question to you, since she's the only one that would
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  Speaker 1: have benefited from Charles Valow's death, and she had threatened
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  Speaker 1: to kill him in the past, why is she not
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  Speaker 1: charged with murder one? Why is there not even a
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  Speaker 1: bid for the death penalty?
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  Speaker 2: You know, is she starting the conspiracy subsection now which
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  Speaker 2: doesn't make her death pinitely would have to be amended.
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  Speaker 2: And I wonder we have to keep in mind those
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  Speaker 2: original reports. The original investigation by CaMLA Pde concluded for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, that Alex acted in self defense, So there
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  Speaker 2: could be evidence in there that precludes the idea that
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  Speaker 2: Laurie was directly involved. Who would make it difficult for
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  Speaker 2: prosecutors to charge Airman the indictment to charge first degree
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  Speaker 2: murder and make it a death sentally eligible effense?
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  Speaker 1: Are you telling me, Kirk and Ermie, after representing Jody
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  Speaker 1: Arius and all you went through with her, all of
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  Speaker 1: her lies and her deceptions, her tricks, her maneuvering with you,
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  Speaker 1: you are telling me you actually believe what Alex Cox
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  Speaker 1: said the so called Angel of Death.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not telling you that I did. I'm telling
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  Speaker 2: you that the Chandler police did, and they concluded the
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  Speaker 2: investigation of self defense.
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  Speaker 1: Well they need to reopen that because she's standing by
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  Speaker 1: licking her lips at the moment Value is dead, thinking
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  Speaker 1: she's going to get his money. Little did she know
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  Speaker 1: he was so afraid of her he changed his will
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  Speaker 1: and gave everything over to his sister to take care
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  Speaker 1: of JJ. Guys, let's hear more of Charles Value speaking
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  Speaker 1: about Laurie Vallos threatening to murder him.
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  Speaker 3: He's had kind of a brother from me and Imi.
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  Speaker 6: Your ildea.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, she think she's married to Morowner in the past.
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  Speaker 8: You think she's one.
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  Speaker 3: He's married to Morowner.
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  Speaker 1: At the top of the temple, angel Angel l gsrobation and.
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  Speaker 16: She knows when the second Coming is happening next year.
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  Speaker 3: So it's a prophet.
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  Speaker 1: He knows that she knows.
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  Speaker 16: She knows about it. She bes a borrowing on Jesus
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  Speaker 16: Christ based place in the temple every day. I've tried
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  Speaker 16: to support as bunch as I could, but it's gotten really,
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  Speaker 16: really bad at it. She's had a break, says, I'm
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  Speaker 16: Nick Schnyder.
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  Speaker 14: I take it over Charles's body, and Charles have been killed.
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  Speaker 16: I'm going to kill you.
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  Speaker 8: You murdered today or.
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow, okay, Nate Aiden. She actually says to Charles Valow,
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  Speaker 1: you will be I'm going to kill you. You'll be
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  Speaker 1: killed today or tomorrow, and then he's murdered, flightening me.
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  Speaker 1: While she's not charged with murder one, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 4: I can't answer. That would be a question for the prosecutors.
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  Speaker 4: We just know that Charles Valow did raise the warning sign,
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  Speaker 4: as was there on tape, as you said that Laurie
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  Speaker 4: was making these statements. They did eventually reconcile back together
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  Speaker 4: after that, you know, situation with the police. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he was born. She warned him about this and and
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  Speaker 4: it's unfortunately it happened. Now he's dead.
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  Speaker 1: Here is more of Charles Valo telling cops calemm Laurie
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  Speaker 1: Valo was going to kill him.
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  Speaker 12: She's not here she lost her reality.
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  Speaker 4: We've done at a great marriage.
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  Speaker 1: All of a sudden the last month just blew up.
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  Speaker 14: I will kill you because you're not Charles, and nobody
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  Speaker 14: will care.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, so she she at this point doesn't think you
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  Speaker 8: are her husband.
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  Speaker 12: She takes some Nick Schneider. I have no idea the
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  Speaker 12: name she used. I don't know where it came from.
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  Speaker 14: Okay, I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the marriage was perfect until just recently. What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Where does she get in her head that her husband,
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  Speaker 1: Charles Vallo was an evil spirit?
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  Speaker 3: Hmmm?
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  Speaker 1: Where could that have come from? Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friend Jackie Howard.
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  Speaker 13: Charles and Lourie Vallo meet and Mary in two thousand
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  Speaker 13: and six. Laurie has two children from another marriage. Charles
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  Speaker 13: has three sons. They live in Kawhi for a time
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  Speaker 13: in twenty fourteen, but moved back to the Continental US
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  Speaker 13: sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, living in Arizona.
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  Speaker 13: It's during this time that Loriivello reportedly meets Chad Dabel
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  Speaker 13: at a religious conference in Saint George, Utah. The couple
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  Speaker 13: hit it off and appear on several End of the
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  Speaker 13: World style podcasts. Charles and Laurie's marriage, however, turned sour.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me Karen start, renowed psychologist, joining us out of
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan at karenstar dot com. Karen, I think I know
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  Speaker 1: what happened. She meets Chad Dabel, the so called prophet.
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  Speaker 1: His pickup line, believe it or not, is we were
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  Speaker 1: married in a past life, so he might as well
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  Speaker 1: run over to that motel right now. And it worked. Suddenly,
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  Speaker 1: this woman believes she is a goddess of sort on
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  Speaker 1: a heavenly mission, and she is with Chad Dabel. That's
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  Speaker 1: why Valo needs a divorce. That's what happened. I guess
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  Speaker 1: he just didn't know it when he was talking to police.
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: I don't know if he knew it, but I do
• 18:30
  Speaker 9: know that Chad actually appealed to her narcissism and by
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: calling her a goddess that was perfect for Laurie and
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: Nancy trout Bellow, even in the divorce, was worried, and
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: he said, I don't know.
• 18:47
  Speaker 10: What she's going to do with them, her children. I
• 18:50
  Speaker 10: don't know if she's going to plea with them, if
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: she's going to hurt them, so he was worried about
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: the safety of himself and his children.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Very worried. And as a matter of fact, she meets
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: up with Chad day Bell and what happens next listen.
• 19:05
  Speaker 13: Charles Vellow files for divorce in twenty nineteen. He claims
• 19:08
  Speaker 13: that Laurie views herself as a god and has said
• 19:12
  Speaker 13: she would kill him if he ever gets in her
• 19:14
  Speaker 13: way of preparing for the second Coming of Christ. The
• 19:18
  Speaker 13: morning of July eleventh, Charles Vellow goes to Lourie's rental
• 19:21
  Speaker 13: home in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son jaj
• 19:25
  Speaker 13: for school. Alex Cox, Lurie's brother, is also there. Within
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: an hour, Valo is lying in a pool of blood,
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self defense and is
• 19:37
  Speaker 13: not charged. Laurie marries Chad day Bell.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: To Rex Connor, joining us Laurie Valo's uncle and host
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: of Silver Linings. Tell me your understanding of how call Mom.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo meets Chad day Bell and what ensues.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Well, they were both interested before they met in this
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: into the world stuff, the doom, so called doomsday doomsday stuff,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: and so they met at a conference of people that
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: get together and talk about preparing for the end of
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: the world. Not a popular thing amongst most people, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: there is a group that meets and talks about it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: So when they met, I liked the way her brother
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Adam the Good Brother, describes it. When they met, it
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: was the perfect storm. He just appealed to just what
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: she wanted. She appealed to what he wanted, and they
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: allowed themselves this alternative reality that they created together and
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: just ran with it as just the perfect storm of evil.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Also joining me Rich Robertson Arizona PI for Brandon Bougereau
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: who almost ended up dead, and the behaest of Lori Valo.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: According to police, what do you make of her relationship
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: which had amail and the subsequent murder of Charles.
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: Ally Well, they were certainly infatuated with each other for
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: whatever reasons. There was talk that she was She was
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: definitely having an affair with Chad prior to the time
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: that Charles filed his divorce. I think that was one
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: of the reasons he did it, and she was in
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: his group, the prepare of people. She was kind of
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: a sub section of all of that, and Chad Davell
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: was had ideas that she globed Onto and she was
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: doing podcasts herself along with some others in support of
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: all that, and somehow came to subscribe to all of
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: these kind of strange beliefs about dark spirits and becoming
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: a god herself. And it sure looked like they were
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: trying to get rid of things that were holding them back.
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: All of these murders happened in a very short period
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: of time in twenty nineteen, and she cleared the decks
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: of her husband and that her kids, and then he
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: cleared the decks of his wife, and then they went
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: after Brandon. So it was all very very quick that
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: was happening.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Joining me is doctor Todd Barr, Board certified anatomic clinical
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: forensic pathologist. He's featured in Thin Places Essays from in
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Between Doctor Barr, it's great to have you on with us.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about Charles Valo. We now know
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that he was shot, he fell to the ground, most
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: likely was still alive, and Alex Cox and or Lorie
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Valo comes up to him and shoots him again as
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: he's on the ground, the bullet getting wedged in the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: floor underneath him. Doctor Barr, knowing that he was very
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: likely still alive from the first shot. What did he
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: endure before that second shot, Well.
• 23:12
  Speaker 11: He would have been, you know, losing blood along the way,
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: and I'm not sure what injuries he sustained, but it
• 23:21
  Speaker 11: seems like it was not initially a terminal or a
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: fatal wound, so that he was slowly bleeding out. And
• 23:31
  Speaker 11: what he would be doing is he would be suffering
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: from the pain of whatever areas were hit by that
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: first initial bullet, and then he would be also starting
• 23:41
  Speaker 11: to lose consciousness from the loss of blood. So he's
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: becoming hypoxic, meaning he's not getting any oxygen to his
• 23:49
  Speaker 11: brain or to his vital organs. So he's literally just
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: hanging on by a thread, suffering in pain and losing consciousness.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: When he looks up and the last thing he sees
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: is Alex Cox and or Coltman Laurie Valo standing over
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: him with a gun. Can he make it out? Doctor?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Could he see that?
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: He definitely could have seen that. I mean if he
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: if he was if he was conscious and he opened
• 24:15
  Speaker 11: his eyes, he would have seen that gun pointed at him.
• 24:18
  Speaker 11: I mean, this is this is like an execution style killing.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, Chris McDonough joining me director, Cold casese Foundation,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: former homicide detective. You can find him at Colcaysfoundation dot
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: org or his YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Let's don't forget,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Chris mcdona, that there is another victim in this case.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: His name is Brandon Boudreau and it's just an angel
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: in his on his shoulder that kept him from also
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: being a coltman Laurie Valo orchestrated murder. Listen to this,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Chris mcdona, our cut five three seven.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Nine one one. Where's your emergency?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Someone just shot my window.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Ok I'm in the cool station way, but I can
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: see them driving off.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, someone shot at your vehicle.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window.
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: Okay, when you pulled into the driveway.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: As I was trying to pull in my driveway, all right,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: A little up, bruh.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: They just drove off. I saw him drive off. Okay.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Do you know who these people are?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I have no idea.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I moved into.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: A new home about a week.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Well, we figured out who it was. Chris McDonough, are
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you surprised that there's yet another intended murder victim?
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: Not at all, Nancy, And in fact, if you listen
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: to that call. Right as we listened to that call,
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: he's saying they them, So there's more than one. And
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: if we take that back to the crime scene in Chandler,
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: the fact that this whole case, in my opinion, I
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: would submit, is going to revolve around a recreation, uh
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: and restructure of that particular crime scene that day because
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: the positioning of the body, the shewcasing, put positioning, the
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: bat positioning, and the corupdi gras potentially through the floor
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: or into the floor, the hat position where you may
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: belong to Charles at the time, all of those things
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: are going to weigh heavily into the not what they said,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: but what we're seeing. And it's going to turn right
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: into another Murdoch situation where that recreation of that crime
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: scene is going to be critical.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Time stories. With Nancy Grace joining me is Rich robertson
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Arizona p I at R three investigations, the PI for
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Brandon Budreaux, who was this close to getting murdered orchestrated
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: by Lurie Valo. Question to you, Rich Robertson, why the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valo want Brandon dead?
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: Well, that's going to be an interesting question that that's
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: going to come up. I mean, Brandon's wife at the time,
• 27:24
  Speaker 8: Melody is Lorie Valo's niece, and they were She had
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: become part of that group and she was involved in
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: the same belief system and it was creating a lot
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: of family tension. So Brandon was upset that his wife
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: was being sucked down this rabbit hole that Laurie had
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: got her involved in. And it certainly appears that Laurie
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: was helping quote unquote her niece deal with this problem,
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: and her problem was Brandon.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Question to you, who do you believe was involved in
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: taking a shot at brandon b drive?
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: Well, I have no doubt it was Alex Cox in
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: the back in the jeep that day. Why Well, all
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: the evidence suggest that all the travel and that was
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: that was going on. I think the evidence is going
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: to show, as I understand what's been collected in this
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: is a lot of electronics communications going on between Alex
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: and Lorie and at the time of the shooting. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: I'm sure that there are some cell tower type of
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: records that are going to place Alex at or near
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: that that crime scene. So I think there's there's going
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: to be a lot of corroboration for who was saying
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: what and where they were at the time.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: And what type of vehicle was the purp driving this.
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: This jeep that he was driving was actually Charles Vallow's vehicle.
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: He had given it to Tyley. It still had Texas
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: plates on it. And after Charles's death in July, the
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: shooting at Brandon occurred in October, and that jeep had
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: been up to Rexburg and then back again, and it
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: was I mean, all this was kind of put together later,
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: but that was the vehicle that Brandon kind of recognized.
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: He saw that vehicle, he was aware of it being Charles,
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: and given the circumstances of what happened to Charles, it
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: certainly raised Brandon's suspicions about who was responsible for this.
• 29:49
  Speaker 15: Listen, Lori Valo davel where's an Orange Maricopa County jail uniform?
• 29:53
  Speaker 15: For her first Arizona court appearance. She says little during
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: the brief arraignment, dating her name and date of birth.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: When judge asks, the.
• 30:01
  Speaker 15: Court issues a not guilty plea on her behalf. Lori
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: Dabell's Arizona trial. It's set to start April fourth.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to our cut five two three America.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: A county judge addressing cult Mom, Lori vale.
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: Mort, Keith Terry and Dene Souki on behalf of this valo,
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: who's president appearing in custody.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Thank you, amamad.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: You state your puny please, Lori Valodeba and your data
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: birth six twix seventy three.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: All right, then this is the time set for the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: not guilty arrayment on each count. We'll start with number six.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: As to number six, man, you are before the court
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on countant one, we'll enter a not guilty plea on
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: your behalf.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: On you ever reading yes, sir so this value valo.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: You are appearing here on two cases. These are both
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: grand jury wants. What that means is that the grand
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: jury here in Arizona has indicted you on two charges.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: The first case is CR twenty twenty two zero zero
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: one to two four twosh zero zero one. You're being
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: charged in that case with one kund of conspiracy to
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: commit first degree murder. It is a class one felony
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: committed on October the second of twenty nineteen. The second
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: case is SEE OR twenty twenty one zero zero one
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: seven zero four dash zero zero one. In that case,
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: you're also being charged with one count of conspiracy to
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: commit first degree murder. That is also a Class one felony.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: That offense allegedly occurred on July eleventh of twenty nineteen. Now,
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: I do have to advise you of your right to
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: have an attorney and the right to remain silent. I
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: will appoint counsel for you. In both cases, have a
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: course date coming up for you called a not guilty
• 31:42
  Speaker 7: arraignment hearing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Nate Aiden, what's the very latest thing cult Mom Laurie
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Valo's most recent murder case.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Well, if she pleaded not guilty, so they have scheduled
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: another hearing, which will happen in a couple of weeks,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: and they you know, remember in Idaho on there she
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: did not waive her right to speedy trial, so one
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: would assume she will not do the same thing in Arivota.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: So there could be a trial within the next sixty
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: days or up to I think they have two hundred
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: and seventy days if she doesn't waive her right to
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: a speedy trial, so that that could happen, you know
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: here in the next few months.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Listen to more.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: In both cases, you are.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: You've been extradited from the state of Arizona. You're currently
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: under the jurisdiction of the Idaho Department of Corrections. That
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: makes you non available at this hearing, so you're not
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: eligible for bailing either case. You do have your court date.
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: You know a lawyer is going to be appointed for you.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: Do you have any questions?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Are those cases going to be combined or are.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: They going to be done severately?
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: Well, they are two separate cases, but they're going to
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: be handled at the same hearing. Okay, okay, so you
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: can talk to your lawyer. But they are two separate cases,
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: which means that you'd have two separate proceedings going forward
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: if it goes to trial. Okay, okay, any of the
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: questions asel.
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: Just one attorney or more attorneys.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: Will be a well at this point of time, At
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: this point in time, you're likely going to have the
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: one lawyer represent you at this particular hearing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Granted we're on the outside looking in, but I think
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it is a grave mistake that the state is not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: charging her with murder. One. There are so many dead
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: bodies connected to her. She's already convicted in the murders
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: of her son jjhed seven, her daughter Tyley aged sixteen,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: The murder, the asphyxiation death of Tammy day Bell, who is,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: of course Chad Dave Bell's previous wife. She had to
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: die so he could marry cultmom Laurie Valo. Now we've
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: got Charles Valo, and I've never been convinced that Joseph
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Ryan died of natural causes. I don't believe that. I
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: think she killed him too, and by the time they
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: found him, he was so decomposed they just charted it
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: off to a heart problem. Am I the only one
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that thinks that night Dayton?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of people that think she was connected
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: to that death, But as you said, I don't know
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: if we'll ever truly know, because you know, his remains
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: were cremated.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they rushed him straight for a cremation, right.
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: This may be their last chance to seek the DP
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: on her, and it's getting botched. She's already got life
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: behind bars, but I understand she's filing her appeal on
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: her convictions and the martyrs of JJ and Tyley Listen.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Laurie Valo.
• 34:31
  Speaker 15: Dabel and her attorneys are appealing her conviction to the
• 34:34
  Speaker 15: Idaho State Supreme Court. The attorneys have cited sixteen issues
• 34:38
  Speaker 15: on appeal. Included in the amended appeal is questions of
• 34:42
  Speaker 15: whether Laurie was competent to stand trial having spent ten
• 34:45
  Speaker 15: months in a mental hospital, and whether the court aired
• 34:48
  Speaker 15: in denying the defense's expert's request to send Laurie back
• 34:51
  Speaker 15: to the mental facility. The attorneys are also asking for
• 34:55
  Speaker 15: reporter transcripts from thirty five specific days throughout her case.
• 34:59
  Speaker 15: No court d it has yet been set for her appeals.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Nate Eyton joining us. Nate, what do you say, right?
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: She did file an appeal, and so that's happening in
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Idaho as this is unraveling in Arizona. She should she
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: be found guilty in Arizona and sentence to life in prison,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: they'll return her back to Idaho where she will serve
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: out the sentence. The only way that Arizona would keeper is,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: as you mentioned, if she was sentenced to death in Arizona.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Nancy, Yes, jump in.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: I just want to tell you that the whole time,
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: if you see any pictures of her while all this
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: is going on, she was smiling, she had makeup, she
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: had her here done, totally cool, unaffected laughing. This woman
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: is a psychopath.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: You're right, Karen Stark, every single time. The only time
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that she did not appear that way was when photos
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: of JJ and Tyley were going to be seen in
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: court and she didn't want to see it and wanted
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to leave the courtroom. Didn't she keep her head down
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: that whole time?
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Nate eaton right, you recalled. That was one of the
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: first days of the trials. She said to the judge.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Her attorney said, miss Vaalo would like to be excused,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: and the judge said, you know, we're not going to let.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: H E double l n O H. So you did it.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You're going to look at it right, Let's see what
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: happens in this case. Goodbye, friends,