Latest / Mythmakers / An Evening with the Inklings - Owen Barfield
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- 0:00Well, I'd like to start, if I may, but just for this group, I need to sort of say some
- 0:13words by way of introduction, which is thank you very much for having us here.
- 0:17This is a great occasion for all of us to sort of recreate what the inklings are.
- 0:22And I think, you know, the inklings still live, if you like, you know, their spirit lives,
- 0:26and this is what we're exploring and seeing how we can take that forward.
- 0:29Now, in my case, I've always been, oh, impartial all my life, and grandfather's been grandfather
- 0:36all my life.
- 0:37But my journey with the inkling, there's only been 15 years or so since I was appointed
- 0:43as literary trustee, and I kind of started looking into his work, reading his work, and
- 0:47studying his work.
- 0:49And from time to time, very rarely I get invited to give a talk, sometimes here at Oxford
- 0:54as well.
- 0:55And whenever I'm at Oxford, I always start or try to say, if there's anyone in the room
- 1:02in the academics who can read and explain, particularly Barfield, please step forward, because
- 1:07I don't really want to be here, you know, I'd rather somebody else be here doing this
- 1:11right now.
- 1:12But there just is nobody, you know, you wouldn't have found a standing.
- 1:15So, you know, I'm sorry, but it has to be me.
- 1:18But who knows maybe one day somebody will step forward.
- 1:22And I don't think it's because people at Oxford University are particularly dim, also you
- 1:28might have your own opinions about that.
- 1:30I think it's because it's sort of countercultural, you know, and it's even more countercultural
- 1:37to be an inkling now than when the inklings were being inklings.
- 1:41So even then it was unfashionable to talk about things like Christ.
- 1:46Now, you know, you really be putting yourself outside of the norm to talk about Christ.
- 1:52So I think there's maybe that and we need to sort of overcome it and find those champs
- 1:58tunes that will come forward.
- 2:01Since in 15 years of asking, I've had no response at all from anybody, I'm going to try another
- 2:08tact.
- 2:09And I'm going to say there were some clever people, their names were Lewis and Tolkien.
- 2:17They heard what grandfather was telling them.
- 2:19They listened carefully and they applied it in their fictional work, their fantasy literature
- 2:27incorporated Barfieldian philosophy and they were phenomenally successful as Oxford academics.
- 2:36Now other people have also incorporated grandfather's philosophy and probably he was most popular
- 2:42in the 1970s because he was a professor in America then and there were some Americans
- 2:47like Saul Bello and Howard Nemerov, Howard Nemerov went off and he was poet laureate
- 2:54for America and the Pulitzer Prize winner.
- 2:57And even right now there's a lady called Susanna Clark and she's written a novel called
- 3:02Pyreneesy.
- 3:04She was told about Barfield through Malcolm Guite and Pyreneesy's just one, the 2021
- 3:12woman's prize for fiction.
- 3:14So if you read Barfield and understand what he said and apply it to your fiction, I'm
- 3:20not saying that you will be instantly successful but I'm saying your life will be incredibly
- 3:27enriched.
- 3:28You will be like Tolkien, you'll never be able to see the world again, everything will
- 3:32take on a new meaning to you.
- 3:35So I think I said enough but yeah, please can someone start looking at this, right?
- 3:43And I was asked to pick something to read, I thought, okay, what do I do?
- 3:48And I thought, well, I'll just start at the beginning.
- 3:50So the first inkling book that was ever published was a fairy tale by Barfield.
- 3:57And Barfield has shared it with his best friend, C.S. Lewis and Lewis had shared it with
- 4:01his friend Tolkien when Tolkien had kids.
- 4:04Both of them had really admired it, Tolkien in particular because you got the feedback
- 4:08from the children as you read it to the children.
- 4:09They didn't want the book to be handed back to Lewis and Lewis fed that back to Barfield.
- 4:16So let's start at the beginning.
- 4:17So this is a book that was published in 1925.
- 4:20It was published by Faber and Guaya, who the precursor to Faber and Faber.
- 4:26And this is the year that T.S. Eliot joined Faber and Faber and T.S. Eliot and Barfield
- 4:31knew each other very well, there's a long relationship there.
- 4:37So let's just start with the reading.
- 4:39And I'll stand up if you don't mind.
- 4:41It's not too long this reading.
- 4:43But here we are.
- 4:44The Silver Trump hit by Owen Barfield, part one, chapter one, so let's start like this.
- 4:50Once upon a time, there were two little princesses whose names were Violeta and Gambetta, and
- 4:57they lived in Mount Anycastle.
- 4:59They were twins, and they were so like each other that when Violeta came in from a walk
- 5:04with her feet wet, Gambetta was sometimes told to go and change her stockings, because
- 5:09the Queen couldn't tell which from the other.
- 5:12But that didn't happen often, because if Princess Violeta was out for a walk, Princess
- 5:17Gambetta was almost sure to be with her.
- 5:21Indeed, they were so fond of one another that you might have thought they were tied together
- 5:26with a string.
- 5:28All the same, the Queen used to be so fussed and worried by the confusion that, what
- 5:33with one thing and another, she persuaded the King to appoint a special Lord to distinguish
- 5:39between them.
- 5:41And he was called the Lord High Teller of Other From Which.
- 5:45The first thing he did, after he was given this office, was to decree that everyone should
- 5:51carry them, should call them by shorter names, because, as he said, their names both ended
- 5:57with etter, and that made it much harder to tell.
- 6:02Why does it make it harder to tell, said the King?
- 6:05I don't see why it should make it harder.
- 6:08Never mind why your Majesty, the Lord High Teller applied firmly, but it does.
- 6:14Very well, said his Majesty, I think you are rather a fool, but I will do as you say,
- 6:19and I will see that my subjects do as you say, because this is your job and not mine,
- 6:25and he went off hunting.
- 6:27So after that, one of the sisters was called Princess Violet, and the other was called
- 6:32Princess Gamboy.
- 6:33Now, as it happens, the Lord High Teller of Other From Which was not a fool at all, but
- 6:40a very wise man, and he had noticed something about the two little princesses, which nobody
- 6:46else had noticed.
- 6:48Moreover, he knew a great deal about the magic power of names.
- 6:53For soon, after he had given them these new names, everybody else began to notice the
- 6:59same thing too.
- 7:01And before very long, it was the rarest thing in the world for anybody about the court
- 7:06to mistake one for the other.
- 7:09But first, you must know how it came about that these two princesses were so much alike
- 7:15even after they were quite tall girls.
- 7:22Right.
- 7:30I mean, people are probably unfamiliar with this book, and I can't hold it against you,
- 7:37because it's not published.
- 7:38So one of the things I want to do is find a publisher.
- 7:41There's so many things to do about that.
- 7:43Publishing this book is one of my to-do lists.
- 7:47But I was wondering, well, somebody's got to say something about this book.
- 7:50So we might as well see what grandfather said about it.
- 7:53And so grandfather explained that this book, this story of his, he wanted it for general
- 7:59consumption, a children's story, but he wanted to bring out the importance of the romantic
- 8:04element in relationships between a man and a woman.
- 8:08But more widely than that, the importance of the feeling element in life.
- 8:15And the silver trumpet of the title is a symbol of the feeling element in life, which
- 8:21gets hidden and then is discovered again.
- 8:24So that feeling element is grandfather understood it is really a spiritual attribute of the
- 8:33soul.
- 8:34There's three principal spiritual attributes.
- 8:38Feeling is the central one, which is bounded on both side by thought and will, and active
- 8:45and a passive.
- 8:46So you have this idea of active, passive and rhythm with feeling in the middle as a spiritual
- 8:52element of the soul.
- 8:55And of course, there's a prince that comes into the story and the princess marries the
- 9:00prince.
- 9:01And the princess is again, that soul uniting with the higher ego, if you like.
- 9:08So this is kind of the narrative of grandfather, which he was consistent, everything he wrote
- 9:14was the same thing.
- 9:15So grandfather said, I just said the same thing time and time again.
- 9:18I just wrote it different ways, plays, novels, fairy tales, everything he was just saying,
- 9:25the same thing, which is that we have a soul, a spiritual component of that soul, and
- 9:31there's a destiny to sort of find our ego, if you like.
- 9:35Was that the only fairy tale that he wrote?
- 9:39He wrote some others shorter ones, but this was published by Favourite Favourite Favourite
- 9:43Favourite.
- 9:44It was very early for the inkling spirit, we think of them as fairy tale writers, but
- 9:48that pre-deceit, you know, precedes, I mean you can really see it appealing to Lewis
- 9:53and Tolkien, certainly, in the way that there was such a fan of the George McDonald's
- 9:58sort of courty stories.
- 9:59It feels in that kind of, that sort of genre to me.
- 10:02Pretty for concept as well, because I think they would have got the philosophy that lies
- 10:05behind it.
- 10:06Yeah.
- 10:07Because there was already a philosophy there.
- 10:11Yeah.
- 10:12And the idea of two indistinguishable twins with similar names also makes me think of
- 10:17the horse and his boy.
- 10:19I mean, the lion with which the wardrobe was written for and dedicated to Lucy Barfield
- 10:27my aunt, and he, you know, what Lewis was the godfather of Lucy.
- 10:34So he was kind of involved with the Barfield children as well.
- 10:36Yeah.
- 10:37Well, there's that wonderful letter at the beginning, isn't there, when he says, you
- 10:40know, I write this for you and you're a girl, but probably by the two, because you grew
- 10:44up faster than it, than I write stories, but by the time I finished it, you'd be too
- 10:48old to read it.
- 10:49Right.
- 10:50Yeah.
- 10:51But we know a two-old really, you know, to read the underlying message from the whole thing.
- 10:56Right.
- 10:57Yeah.
- 10:58And that theme of the names and the magical name was something that all the aliens know.
- 11:03Yeah.
- 11:04I try to emphasize that bit, the magic of names, that's exactly.
- 11:09And Grandfather's next book was history and English words.
- 11:13So his theme was the evolution of consciousness, that's what his theme was, but he looked
- 11:19at it in evidence in language, which is where he connected with Tolkien and philology,
- 11:24that they were both phyrongists, and their love of language.
- 11:28And that book on poetic diction.
- 11:30Poetic diction came next.
- 11:32Poetic diction was his thesis at Oxford University, which he had written as an undergraduate,
- 11:39but he couldn't find a supervisor.
- 11:41Nobody could supervise him, right?
- 11:43So he just hung there.
- 11:45Yeah.
- 11:46And then a few years later he published it, having dedicated it to Lewis, of course.
- 11:54And Lewis referred to it all the time as lectures.
- 11:57Yeah.
- 11:58As I say, Williams, Charles Williams, I'm going to say a bit more about this later, but
- 12:06he saw himself as Harry Freud, a poetic tradition, and he's clearly asleep all the poets
- 12:11like Swinburne and kind of going right back to Shakespeare and Spence and how he instructs
- 12:18his verse.
- 12:19And I wasn't really in fashion at the time, what was in fashion was more like the love song
- 12:22of jail for proofrock and Elliot and that school, pound and the rest of it, and Williams
- 12:28didn't see himself as doing something that was in fashion necessarily, but really speaking
- 12:32to what he saw is important.
- 12:34Perhaps with that kind of fairytale mode, not something that Williams ever did, but in
- 12:40that same vein of wanting to find the tree and represent it in a way that's startling
- 12:45to the current age.
- 12:47Well, poetry is keen there because both Lewis and Barford, when they first met each other,
- 12:54saw themselves as poets first and foremost, they had a kind of self-indigenous poetry,
- 12:59but they were on the graduates.
- 13:01Near then, that successful as poetry should be there, but grandfather wrote long narrative
- 13:07poems, and he finally published two years ago, so the tower which he wrote has only just
- 13:15been published.
- 13:16And his long novel has yet to be published.
- 13:19So this is a story that's still unfolded, so his novel is called English People Yet to
- 13:25be published.
- 13:27So there we have it, but yeah, they were introduced together as, oh, you two are poets, you'll
- 13:34get on.
- 13:35And they kind of did.
- 13:37So poetry is very important and seeing themselves as a poet and the romantic element in life
- 13:48as well, which is what the very suffering is through.
- 13:51I don't know how encouraging this is for the creative writing team here.
- 13:54Oh, yeah, can you get published within the next century?
- 14:00I'm just saying you have to take a long view.
- 14:03When grandfather always said that, well, I don't know if he always said it, he told me
- 14:07once.
- 14:08So it was 1985, and I was helping him pack up some stuff because he was moving from
- 14:13one place to another.
- 14:14And he said, you know, you'll be 50 years before my work is sort of accepted or acceptable
- 14:19in society.
- 14:20So 50 years takes us to 2035.
- 14:23So, you know, the fact that we're even talking about it now we're ahead of the curve.
- 14:27So well done.
- 14:28I'm being.
- 14:29But I think he's, I think he was right, you know, he was right about a lot of things and
- 14:36I think he was right about that too.
- 14:38The society is just not yet ready to hear what he was saying.
- 14:42A few intelligent people could pick it up like Lewis and Tolkien and they could incorporate
- 14:47it in the word.
- 14:48And I always thought that Lewis was a sort of signpost to Tolkien, you know, that they
- 14:54worked on that, on that level that, you know, Lewis was writing for a contemporary audience
- 15:00then.
- 15:01And through Lewis, they'll find Barfield, but if you know Barfield and then read Bar
- 15:06Lewis as I've started to do, you know, he's incredible, the sort of richness that you
- 15:10can get out of Lewis because you're sort of reading, bagging, you've seen so much more
- 15:14of what he's saying.
- 15:15You know, in what Barfield was saying.
- 15:18Because they were talking together all the time.
- 15:19They were talking together.
- 15:20Yeah.
- 15:21And that's just starting to emerge.
- 15:22So there's a sort of CS Lewis scholar who just, just on Facebook, I noticed, made a remark
- 15:28and he said, when Lewis talks about language and magic in that hideous strength, that book,
- 15:34the hideous strength, he's dripping with Barfield.
- 15:37So I mean, that was last week, stuck that on Facebook, that's anybody reads Facebook,
- 15:42it's the off.
- 15:43I'm just trying to show that people are starting to come, they've become aware of it.
- 15:48So if you want to say something original about CS Lewis and over dinner, we would discuss
- 15:56in how many books we think have been published by CS Lewis, on CS Lewis and the consensus
- 16:02was around 10,000 books have been written about him.
- 16:06If you want to say something new, Re Barfield, and then talk about Lewis, I've got another
- 16:15little note that I wrote to myself, which is, people were saying, well, who is Barfield?
- 16:20Who is this Barfield?
- 16:22He's really the inkling to the inkling, like a sort of catch phrase, if you like.
- 16:27So not only the first and last inkling, but he was the inkling's inkling.
- 16:33And in a way that refers to the apostles' apostle, Mary Madeline, she's sort of in the background
- 16:39hidden, doesn't get a prominent role, but so much there, so much presence, so important,
- 16:47bringing in an element that would otherwise be this, so I quite like that phrase as well.
- 16:58If anyone's got sunny hours to say relating to that fairy tale, fairy tales in general,
- 17:05speak now, because otherwise we'll move on to our next inkling, which Colin is you representing
- 17:12Tolkien?
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