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Mom, fiancé speak out on Temple grad Milan Loncar, gunned down · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He had his whole world
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Speaker 1: in front of him. Twenty five year old kneeling in
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Speaker 1: long car, just graduated from Temple University degree in Engineering tech.
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Speaker 1: Set out in the world. Great job and construction management,
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Speaker 1: great place, loving mother is the apple of her eye, gorgeous,
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Speaker 1: gorgeous girlfriend. A wedding was in the air. It was
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Speaker 1: all unfolding right before everyone's eyes. Why did Kneeling have
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Speaker 1: to die? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? We learned more
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Speaker 1: about the victim, Milon Loncar. We spoke to his uncle today,
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Speaker 1: who says his nephew was just doing what he always does,
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Speaker 1: taking the dog out for a walk. He says, this
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Speaker 1: is a mild manner guy. He would have never put
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Speaker 1: up a fight in this situation. Taking your dog out
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Speaker 1: for a walk and you end up dead. I mean.
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Speaker 1: It was a Chihuahua Docson Nix named Rue. And when
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Speaker 1: Milan was found, he was still holding on to Rue
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Speaker 1: by the leash, even then, still trying to keep his
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Speaker 1: little pet from rushing out into traffic. What happened? How
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Speaker 1: did this go so horribly wrong? With me to make
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Speaker 1: some sense of what we know now? And All Star
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Speaker 1: Panel Levipacee Crime Online dot com. Investigative reporter Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: Director of the Coal Case Research Institute. Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: MD dot com. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red
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Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon and hosted Today with doctor Wendy on
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Speaker 1: Kate CBQ at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and star of a brand new hit
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Speaker 1: series on the True Crime network, Poisonous. Liaison's joining me
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Speaker 1: right now. Two people that I've thought so much about,
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Speaker 1: that beautiful girlfriend with a wedding in the air, Olivia
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Speaker 1: Gorsky and Milan's mother, Miss Amy Lawnsbury. First of all,
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Speaker 1: to you, Olivia Gorsky, Milan's fiance, Olivia, When did you
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Speaker 1: learn something horrible had happened? It was probably about two
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Speaker 1: hours after he had dropped me off in my apartment
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Speaker 1: that night. He had driven me to pick up my
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Speaker 1: car from the car dealership because I had to have
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Speaker 1: some work done on it, and I got a notification
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Speaker 1: on like a local crime app that there had been
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Speaker 1: a shooting very close to his house, and so I
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Speaker 1: sent a screenshot of that alert too in a group
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Speaker 1: chat to him, his sister, and his sister's roommate because
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Speaker 1: they all live in the area, just kind of being like,
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Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? This is way too
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Speaker 1: close to you, guys, and Yelena and her roommate were
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Speaker 1: both answering, and Melan wasn't replying in that group chat,
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Speaker 1: even though we had previously been talking in it only
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Speaker 1: maybe half an hour earlier, and that was that was usual. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it happened before. Yeah, that's how you grows handled those
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Speaker 1: kind of alert Yeah, just kind of on everybody, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: seeing what was going on. And Melan wasn't replying to
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Speaker 1: our texts, and so I was kind of texting him jokingly,
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Speaker 1: being like, if you don't answer, you know, in the
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Speaker 1: next five minutes, I'm about to drive to your house
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Speaker 1: and make sure you're okay, And he wasn't answering the text.
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Speaker 1: So I just kept repeatedly calling him, and it went
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Speaker 1: to voicemail every single time, and probably after the third
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Speaker 1: time calling him, and he didn't answer. The pit in
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Speaker 1: my stomach started to form, and it wasn't. Oh, maybe
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Speaker 1: he's just you know, playing video games. All of the
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Speaker 1: thoughts started thinking in of maybe what if it is him?
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Speaker 1: What if? What if it is him? And ever since
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Speaker 1: that alert came into my phone, just everything has been
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Speaker 1: the worst case scenario that could have been imagined. Um,
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Speaker 1: I really think it's not going to be true. It's
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Speaker 1: not it's not going to be him. But it was yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean even you know, once we knew it was him,
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Speaker 1: it was okay, well, you know, maybe he's fine, and
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Speaker 1: it wasn't. You're hearing another voice, in addition to Olivia Gorski's,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing Milan's mother. This is Amy Lawsbury. Amy, what
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Speaker 1: happened that night? Where were you? My daughter and I
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Speaker 1: were out to dinner and we had just separated. I
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Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't even home. I was still in my
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Speaker 1: car and my daughter called me and said, mom, this
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Speaker 1: app had a shooting alert and we sent our text
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Speaker 1: out and we can't find meal in and she said,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm my roommate. Arsia is going over to
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Speaker 1: walk over to where the the um the apparent apparently
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Speaker 1: gives a location. She's going to walk over and check
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Speaker 1: for us, and I said, is that safe and she said, yes,
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Speaker 1: just taking the other dog. My daughter has a big
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Speaker 1: pit bull mixed rescue, and so she was going over there.
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Speaker 1: They also had meal In's location and he was right there,
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Speaker 1: so they everybody was very worried. So she hung up
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Speaker 1: with me, and then about five minutes well, I turned
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Speaker 1: my car around and started heading into the city. And
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Speaker 1: then about five minutes later she said, Mom, it's she
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Speaker 1: called it, Mom is mealing, and oh my god, I'm
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Speaker 1: still driving. I'm coming. And then another ten minutes he's
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Speaker 1: going to Temple University Hospital. And then I started calling
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Speaker 1: them and um. I called them a couple of times
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Speaker 1: until they actually had Meal and then and then they
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Speaker 1: started asking me for identifying, identifying, identifying mark, so whatever,
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Speaker 1: and I said a few things, um, But when I
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Speaker 1: got there, they still didn't tell me, and I had
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Speaker 1: to wait, and then we went back in and um,
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Speaker 1: and then I suspected. And then finally the doctor came
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Speaker 1: in and it what can what can I tell you?
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Speaker 1: Asked bullets and he alive and he said he's not.
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Speaker 1: And that's four rang with my ears for days. And
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Speaker 1: I also think that there is such an app and
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Speaker 1: that the children had a procedure for when that appen.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know. And I can't imagine
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Speaker 1: how all of the neighbors had that same app and
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Speaker 1: they all check on each other. How do people live
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Speaker 1: like that? It's horrible that people live so differently. And
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Speaker 1: I had no concept of living like that. And I
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Speaker 1: why why why? Time stories with Nancy Grace and as
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Speaker 1: a just joining us, we are trying to make sense,
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Speaker 1: trying to apply logic to an illogical happening. The phrase
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Speaker 1: just keeps sticking in my mind. A wedding in the air,
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Speaker 1: A wedding to be planned for, this beautiful soul Niel
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Speaker 1: and long Card just twenty five two, Olivia Gorsky, I
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Speaker 1: keep looking at photos of you and Milan together and
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Speaker 1: you're so happy. How did that night play out for you?
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Speaker 1: What happened? Um? Well, Um, once we knew it was him,
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Speaker 1: how did she find I thought it was him, Olivia,
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Speaker 1: his sister's roommate, after she had gone down to the scene. Um,
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Speaker 1: she he just called me and I heard noises in
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Speaker 1: the background, and at first I thought it was her laughing,
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Speaker 1: and so I, you know, thought for a second. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, she went to his house. He was there.
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Speaker 1: He was just playing video games, and that's why he
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Speaker 1: wasn't answering his phone. And then I realized that it
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Speaker 1: wasn't her laughing. It was just her sobbing uncontrollably, uncontrollably
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Speaker 1: not breathing, and she just said, it's him, and they
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Speaker 1: took him away and she hung up, and I just
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Speaker 1: immediately called his sister. And his sister, like Amy said,
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Speaker 1: was on her way home from dinner, and she just said,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm picking you up or going to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: like just get ready. So then I was just in
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Speaker 1: my apartment, you know, panicking, waiting for her to get there.
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Speaker 1: I called my parents. They were obviously panicking. They immediately
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Speaker 1: left from North Jersey to drive down to the city,
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Speaker 1: you know, not even knowing exactly what happened, but just
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Speaker 1: knowing that they had to be there also, um and
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Speaker 1: just just all the you know, thinking that he has
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Speaker 1: to be okay, because that's all I would let myself think.
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Speaker 1: You know, I we knew at that point he had
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Speaker 1: been shot, but it was okay, maybe he was shot
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Speaker 1: in the leg, and you know, I'm I'm going to
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Speaker 1: school for this kind of stuff. I can. I'll take
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Speaker 1: care of him. I'll I'll be his stay at home
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Speaker 1: whatever he needs, like I will. You know, it's the
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Speaker 1: way we would have shared it. But just knowing that
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Speaker 1: like as long as he was alive, like we could
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Speaker 1: make it work and it would be okay. And just yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean even that night at the hospital, um, I
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Speaker 1: wasn't allowed inside. It was only Ellena an Amy that
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Speaker 1: could go in. Um, so I was waiting outside with Arcia,
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Speaker 1: his sister's roommate, and just just not not knowing what
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Speaker 1: was going on, and just um, it just keeps playing
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Speaker 1: back in my mind too, because I really I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: let myself think that anything had happened. And when Yellen
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Speaker 1: and Amy came out from the hospital, they just kind
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Speaker 1: of stared at us, and I didn't catch on. I
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Speaker 1: was just waiting for them to be like, Okay, so
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Speaker 1: here's what happened. You know, he's in surgery or and
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Speaker 1: they just didn't say anything, and Archie had just started screaming.
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Speaker 1: And at that point that's when it hit me that
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Speaker 1: he wasn't okay and he wasn't here anymore. And I
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Speaker 1: just I just kept saying no, because I didn't. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't let myself believe it that he wasn't here. I
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Speaker 1: was really I was really looking kind of pastitute, trying
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Speaker 1: to hoping that your parents had been there somehow much magically, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: flow more quickly to hold you with the moment. There's
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Speaker 1: something the human mind. I'm thinking back after hearing Elivia
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Speaker 1: Gorsky Malan's Sweetheart and his mother Amy, your mind is
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Speaker 1: trying immediately rushing past what you're hearing, what you're experiencing,
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Speaker 1: trying to make sense of it. I remember thinking, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: maybe I've got this wrong. Maybe maybe he's been an accident,
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Speaker 1: and if I can get to him, I can fix it.
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Speaker 1: And I had gotten as far as my parents home,
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Speaker 1: left school, and I passed a church. I saw a
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Speaker 1: bunch of cars there and went in. My pastor happened
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Speaker 1: to be there, and he started making calls and I
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Speaker 1: saw him right from the other side of his desk,
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Speaker 1: and I read it upside down. It said Bernstein Funeral Home.
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Speaker 1: And that is when I realized I couldn't fix it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I even realized it then, but
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Speaker 1: he hung up and I said, really, what happened. Was
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Speaker 1: he in a car crash? And he looked at me
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Speaker 1: and he said he was shot? Oh and it's did
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Speaker 1: your mind? I mean I know that to you, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold renounced, psychiatrists joining us, I know the human
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Speaker 1: mind is phenomenal, more powerful than we know. But what
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Speaker 1: is it you? And then, as they were saying earlier,
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Speaker 1: every morning, for I don't know how long, I'd wake
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Speaker 1: up for about two seconds maybe and think everything was okay,
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Speaker 1: and then realize, yeah, definitely the worst. Yeah, it's our brain.
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Speaker 1: It's our brain's way of trying to protect itself. Can
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Speaker 1: you imagine if we were always in a fight or
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Speaker 1: flight mode and we were always fearful that the worst
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Speaker 1: outcome was going to happen, just like they were talking
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Speaker 1: about with these apps that we have on our phones
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Speaker 1: now that tell us where things are happening. I have
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Speaker 1: that on my phone. Can you imagine if every time
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Speaker 1: we got that, we were like, oh my god, are
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Speaker 1: they right around the corner? Our minds we cannot sustain
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Speaker 1: constantly being in a fight or flight mode, And so
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Speaker 1: that is why our minds take us to a more
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Speaker 1: positive place. First. I have that on my phone too,
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Speaker 1: My husband has it on his phone. We all have.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a neighborhood Watch type app. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think I heard Amy with me is in addition
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Speaker 1: to our wonderful panel Milan's mom Amy Longsberry and his sweetheart,
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Speaker 1: his true love, Olivia Gorski. I heard one of you.
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Speaker 1: I think it was you, Amy say the mornings are
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Speaker 1: the worst. I the mornings and the nighttime, late at night,
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Speaker 1: those are the two worst times. Explain what you were saying.
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Speaker 1: The mornings are the worst for a moment you don't
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Speaker 1: remember or or it just doesn't you don't think about
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Speaker 1: it yet, and it's just the normal morning, and then
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Speaker 1: it hits you, and it's just it's just all consuming.
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Speaker 1: I can't think about what I have to do that day.
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Speaker 1: I I mean, I it's just too much it. Olivia
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Speaker 1: has been saying that she's you're having nightmares or dreams, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: kind of a mix of boat just um, you know,
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Speaker 1: I've been having He's been in my dreams a lot lately,
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Speaker 1: which I mean he was while he was here too,
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Speaker 1: because he was, you know, such a big part of
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Speaker 1: my life. And just like I had a kind of
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Speaker 1: a nightmare the other night that he and I had
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Speaker 1: gotten in a fight, and I woke up that morning
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Speaker 1: and just first out to myself like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: like thank goodness, you know we're not in a fight.
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Speaker 1: That was just a dream. And then hidden it just
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Speaker 1: hit me that it's so much worse because he's not here.
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Speaker 1: I'd rather be in a fight, because then you would
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Speaker 1: be here, girl, Wendy Patrick joining me California prosecutor is
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Speaker 1: so painful to hear them speak, but we have to.
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Speaker 1: We cannot turn away from the wonder of his life
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Speaker 1: and how incredible he was is and the pain, the
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Speaker 1: acute pain, this senseless shooting has caused. You can't turn
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Speaker 1: away from it, and a jury cannot turn away from it.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Nancy, And you know a jury will
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Speaker 1: live this beautiful young man's life through the memories that
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Speaker 1: have been shared by his family. And you are in
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Speaker 1: all of our prayers. You know, unless someone has been
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Speaker 1: through a trauma like this, Nancy, unfortunately like you have,
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Speaker 1: it's almost unfathomable to listen to the family members explain.
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Speaker 1: You know, first you wake up, but you don't remember
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Speaker 1: right away, and then it hits you that verbiage. I
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Speaker 1: have to say just resonates, and it will resonate with
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Speaker 1: the jury, who can all relate to some type of loss.
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Speaker 1: But hopefully certainly not everybody has experienced something like this,
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Speaker 1: But it is a way to celebrate the beautiful life
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Speaker 1: that was lived and also allow them to understand the
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Speaker 1: depth of the pain that you're suffering. Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace For those of you just joining us, we
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Speaker 1: are trying to make sense, if that's even possible, to
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Speaker 1: a wonderful, beautiful life cut short and those left behind
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Speaker 1: in a wake of pain. You heard earlier our friend
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Speaker 1: Maggie can at six ABC. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at CBS Philly. No reason for this. This wasn't
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Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Twenty five No money on him, like,
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Speaker 1: no weapon, murdered. For a while, I was wondering if
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Speaker 1: he was targeted, but like he didn't have anything on him,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't have been. This was intentional dust to kill him.
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Speaker 1: Police tell us a launch er called for help, then
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Speaker 1: dropped his phone. When they arrived, he was still holding
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Speaker 1: on to his dog's leash. This was just senseless. It
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Speaker 1: was just it was just awful. You heard the phrase
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Speaker 1: nothing on him. I remember my fiance case murder. The
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Speaker 1: perp took thirty five dollars. That was what was on
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Speaker 1: the wallet, and that was it. I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to Amy Lawnsbury Meland's mom. Nothing on him. What
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Speaker 1: did that mean? We found his wallet in his house,
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Speaker 1: so he didn't have that. I think he had just
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Speaker 1: a house key without even car keys or anything. That
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Speaker 1: was his routine when he went out to walk the dog,
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Speaker 1: to set his phone and one house keys and the dog.
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Speaker 1: And they didn't take other of those anyway either. They
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Speaker 1: didn't take his phone and they didn't take his house keys. No,
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Speaker 1: so all of this for naught. What happened? Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friends at NBC ten. This is our
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Speaker 1: cut three. Jim Rosenfield Milan long Car was out walking
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Speaker 1: his dog just before seven last night at thirty first
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Speaker 1: in Jefferson, Knew. Surveillance image is out tonight show him
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Speaker 1: rounding the corner when two guys coming from the other
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Speaker 1: direction on the sidewalk confront him. In a matter of seconds,
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Speaker 1: one pulls out a gun and points it at his
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Speaker 1: chest as the pair begins going through Milan's pocket, going
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Speaker 1: through his pocket for what There was no wallet? You
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Speaker 1: just heard his mother and his sweethearts say so. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Bob Brooks six ABC News are cut four.
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Speaker 1: Police say it's all caught on tape as this happened
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Speaker 1: outside of new apartment buildings. They say the victim was
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Speaker 1: walking north on thirty first when he turned right onto
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Speaker 1: Jefferson Streets. Two males that were walking west on Jefferson
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Speaker 1: approached the victim, one stood in front of him, one
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Speaker 1: stood behind him. On the security video, detectives say the
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Speaker 1: twenty five year old was trapped and you see the
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Speaker 1: suspects reach into the victim's pockets and then the one
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Speaker 1: in front pulls the trigger. They take off on foot
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Speaker 1: south on thirty first. As for the victim, rushed him
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Speaker 1: to Temple Hospital. Doctors worked on him. However, he was
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Speaker 1: pronounced dead at seven thirty pm. Police also say this
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Speaker 1: had apparently been the victim's routine with his dog for years.
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Speaker 1: We're getting information from witnesses and other individuals in the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood that for the past couple of years they saw
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Speaker 1: this twenty five year old male in the neighborhood and
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Speaker 1: he normally walks his dog straight out. To investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: or crime online dot Com Levi page on the story
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Speaker 1: from the beginning, Levi, tell me about the area. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I've looked at the surveillance surveillance video and I can
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Speaker 1: see very clearly it looks like a residential area. Yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this occurred in the Philadelphia neighborhood of Brewery Town. And
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Speaker 1: this is a neighborhood residential, a lot of apartments, a
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Speaker 1: lot of coffee shops, restaurants. And this occurred right before
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Speaker 1: seven pm. It wasn't even that late at night January
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Speaker 1: thirteenth when this twenty five year old young man lost
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Speaker 1: his life. He was a college graduate, Nancy, got an
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Speaker 1: engineering degree, which means he's extremely intelligent, and was working
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Speaker 1: for a construction management company and was walking his chihuahua.
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Speaker 1: How innocent is that? Certainly without a wallet, he certainly
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Speaker 1: was unarmed. I mean, Justice Scott Morgan, you're the crime
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Speaker 1: scene expert. Where did the cops start? First? The beauty
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Speaker 1: part of this from a forensic standpoint, Nancy, is that
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Speaker 1: there is a wealth of CCTV footage. I've watched this
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Speaker 1: footage over and over again to try to make sense
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Speaker 1: of this, and I think that I've kind of pieced
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Speaker 1: things together, and that's where the investigators would have started,
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Speaker 1: other than obviously looking at this poor band's remains at
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Speaker 1: the hospital initially, particularly with this, they had very close
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Speaker 1: contact with him, Nancy the shooter in particular, when you
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Speaker 1: watch the CCTV footage, he has closed to within a foot,
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Speaker 1: I would say, of this young man when he discharged
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Speaker 1: this weapon. So there's going to be a tremendous amount
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Speaker 1: of forensic evidence there. But the great thing about the CC,
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Speaker 1: you know, we've covered so many of these cases with
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Speaker 1: really poor coverage. From these camera views, there are multiple
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Speaker 1: angles from multiple buildings, and the beauty of this is
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Speaker 1: that you can actually track them their movement as they're
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Speaker 1: in retreat. And not just that, but you can appreciate
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Speaker 1: the way they approached him. My suspicion is, looking at this,
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Speaker 1: they've waited on him like pray, Okay, they were probably
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Speaker 1: sequestered somewhere back they saw him coming out, and this
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Speaker 1: was this was planned. This is not their first time out.
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Speaker 1: Because as they approach him, just like I mentioned, the
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Speaker 1: perpetrator with the gun, the other gentleman, the other person
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Speaker 1: walked behind him and they surrounded him like a couple
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Speaker 1: of jackals, They encroached on his person, they began to
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Speaker 1: rifle through his pocket. You can see this happen, and
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Speaker 1: then then this person discharged this weapon into this young man.
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Speaker 1: Everything I've heard about him to Milan's mom, Amy Lawns
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Speaker 1: Murray is he's never had a fight in his life,
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Speaker 1: everyone universally says, easygoing, laid back, agreeable, happy. He would
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Speaker 1: not have been wanted to start an argument. Amy, No,
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Speaker 1: he would not have. No, I've never seen him get
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Speaker 1: disturbed less. But he was hurting his sister or Olivia
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Speaker 1: or I mean, he was like any young man is.
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Speaker 1: He loved his people and protected them fiercely. But in
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Speaker 1: normal course of life. He everybody knows he was just
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Speaker 1: kind that you could talk to him about things. He
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Speaker 1: always wanted to support others and be helpful. He was
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Speaker 1: tremendously helpful me in recent years we had other family things,
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Speaker 1: and he's just a good boy. Loved his mom, loved
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Speaker 1: his sister, loved his girlfriend, and was starting a wonderful life.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend, GM Rosenfield, NBC ten
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Speaker 1: cut nine tonight, Temple University released a statement saying our
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Speaker 1: college grieves were a life cut short in a senseless manner.
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Speaker 1: I think these were kids. These were kids with guns.
26:49
Speaker 1: How do they get guns? How? Police are hoping a
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Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars reward and details in these images will
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Speaker 1: help find the pair. Noting a patch on the left
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Speaker 1: shoulder of the gunman's black jacket, his multi colored sneakers,
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Speaker 1: and these black shoes with white souls on the other
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Speaker 1: suspects feet, light spots on his denim jeans. I would
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Speaker 1: really like to know why, what what were they doing?
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Speaker 1: Did they really need money? Or they they were angry
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Speaker 1: and wanted to commit violence? Or I don't have those answers,
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Speaker 1: and I really would like to understand why or was it?
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Speaker 1: Very simply that it wasn't a desire for money, It
27:41
Speaker 1: wasn't anger, It was nothing, neither remorse or anger, just
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Speaker 1: a heart of ice. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Who
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Speaker 1: would kill this beautiful, wonderful young man with a loving family,
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Speaker 1: a wedding in the works. Take a listen to our cut.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen Police say they've arrested and charged one of the
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Speaker 1: people seen on that surveillance video identified it's twenty year
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Speaker 1: old Davis Josephus, who lives just a few blocks from
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Speaker 1: the scene of the crime. In Brewery Town. Police say
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Speaker 1: Josephus was arrested just two hours after the murder, driving
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Speaker 1: a car reported stolen in a separate carjacking while four
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Speaker 1: others ran off. Josephus was taken into custody, his clothing
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Speaker 1: and description, police say, matching up with the surveillance in
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Speaker 1: long Car's murder straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator.
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Speaker 1: This is by far a young kid. This is a
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Speaker 1: guy with a lani rap sheet as long as my arm.
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Speaker 1: At just age twenty, Josepha's Davis had only been out
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Speaker 1: of jail two weeks after a judge lowered his bond
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Speaker 1: from around three hundred thousand dollars to twenty thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: on an armed robbery and kidnapping where he kidnapped an
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Speaker 1: Uber driver at gunpoint, and there have been other robberies
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Speaker 1: on his rap sheet. This is the guy, this Josephus Davis.
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Speaker 1: What kind of moron? What kind of moron lets someone
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Speaker 1: who has been accused of a violent kidnapping free, who
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Speaker 1: cuts somebody loose like this on society and doesn't apparently
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Speaker 1: even care about it, because if they had done their
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Speaker 1: due diligence and dug in deep, they would have seen
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Speaker 1: that there is is a thread that runs through this Nancy.
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Speaker 1: This young man would still be with us today, living
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Speaker 1: his life, loving everybody in his life, and making the
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Speaker 1: world a better place. But no, he cut this guy loose,
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Speaker 1: and he is the shooter. This guy they cut loose, well,
30:17
Speaker 1: I can tell you who, Judge Charles Hayden reduced the bond.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just curious why the other perp has not
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Speaker 1: been named. Is it because the other perp is in
30:32
Speaker 1: fact a juvenile? Is it because the other perp is
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Speaker 1: expected to turn state's evidence? What if anything? Out to
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Speaker 1: Olivia Gorski, are you learning about these two killers? I mean, honestly,
30:51
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to learn too much right now, just
30:54
Speaker 1: because it's a lot to take in on top of
30:58
Speaker 1: everything that's already happened. And I think just everything that
31:02
Speaker 1: we find out, what hurts the most is probably just
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Speaker 1: how avoidable it was. I mean, you know, obviously I'm
31:12
Speaker 1: struggling with so what if you know, what if I
31:16
Speaker 1: what if I didn't have him pick up my car?
31:17
Speaker 1: You know, would he have walked the dog at a
31:19
Speaker 1: different time? And obviously those what if you know, we
31:23
Speaker 1: all have them, and those are painful enough, But the
31:26
Speaker 1: fact that this situation truly was avoidable. I mean, this
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Speaker 1: guy shouldn't have been on the streets. It just shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have happened. There's so much that that could have prevented
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Speaker 1: this from happening. And I think that that's, you know,
31:43
Speaker 1: one of the hardest parts, just that you know, first
31:46
Speaker 1: of all, Melan is gone because of someone else's choice,
31:51
Speaker 1: meaning the shooter, and also just so many other people
31:57
Speaker 1: kind of played into this, and that's really just what
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Speaker 1: is probably the hardest part to deal with. It's just
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Speaker 1: that it could have been avoided and he could still
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Speaker 1: be here. To Amy Lawsbury, this is Milan's mother. Now,
32:13
Speaker 1: I just heard Olivia, his sweethearts, say, I don't want
32:19
Speaker 1: to note you know, I understand that because all that
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Speaker 1: mattered to me after Keith's murder was he was gone.
32:28
Speaker 1: I mean, so what if they caught the guy, didn't
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Speaker 1: catch the guy, the guy has a rap she the
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Speaker 1: guy doesn't have a rap sheet. Just at that time
32:37
Speaker 1: did not matter. All that mattered was he's gone. And
32:41
Speaker 1: I remember when I first gave interviews about Keith Stiff,
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Speaker 1: I actually had facts, all bass accords. I just dates
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Speaker 1: details because to revisit it was just so painful. I
32:58
Speaker 1: heard the dish attorney's office the other day say that
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Speaker 1: balls were dropped and that's why Josephus Davis was out
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Speaker 1: on the street. Did you hear that? I did hear that. Um,
33:16
Speaker 1: I I don't know anything about it. I really doubt it.
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Speaker 1: And I and I've been um watching some snippets and
33:25
Speaker 1: I think that I need to get up to speed. Um.
33:28
Speaker 1: I just I just trusted that all was going to be. Um.
33:35
Speaker 1: I guess I'm so naive. And why shouldn't you be amy,
33:40
Speaker 1: Why shouldn't you believe though everybody's doing their job, that's
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Speaker 1: where our tax dollars are paying for it. They should
33:48
Speaker 1: be and I assume are doing their job. And it
33:52
Speaker 1: just hits like a wrecking ball. These kids were living,
33:57
Speaker 1: um just a block from each other. See literally had
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Speaker 1: a little park with a basketball court and a baseball
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Speaker 1: field in between them, and you could stand on Melan's
34:08
Speaker 1: porch and skid on Yellin's back porch, and they could
34:12
Speaker 1: literally wait to each other. And they were having friends over.
34:16
Speaker 1: They had to Sunday dinners, they cooked together, they with COVID.
34:22
Speaker 1: I think they had Thanksgiving together as a matter of um,
34:27
Speaker 1: it just Olivia tell me about the Thanksgiving. Yeah, Um,
34:34
Speaker 1: usually Thanksgiving is at my parents' house, and Melan had
34:38
Speaker 1: been coming to that in the past, but this year
34:41
Speaker 1: with COVID and everything, Um, yeah, and Melan's grandma was
34:46
Speaker 1: sick so he couldn't go home. My parents had canceled Thanksgiving,
34:49
Speaker 1: and so it just ended up being me, Melan, Yellina,
34:53
Speaker 1: and Yelena's roommate Arcia, and we just it was well,
34:58
Speaker 1: honestly one of the best days. We usually all cooked
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Speaker 1: dinner together every Sunday night anyway, and we called them
35:04
Speaker 1: our Sunday dinners. But we, you know, went shopping together
35:09
Speaker 1: and we made I don't even know, we made a
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Speaker 1: chicken that we made like a turkey because it was
35:14
Speaker 1: smaller for us, and we couldn't find any frozen any
35:17
Speaker 1: turkeys that we're frozen. And we made mac and cheese,
35:20
Speaker 1: and we all just kind of made like our own
35:22
Speaker 1: dishes and just kind of had a little pot luck
35:24
Speaker 1: together at yell in his house and just just spend
35:28
Speaker 1: it together. And I remember us even saying, you know,
35:32
Speaker 1: it was one of the best Thanksgivings that we'd had
35:34
Speaker 1: because it was just we were just together and just
35:38
Speaker 1: it was it was really one of the best. I
35:40
Speaker 1: mean same with Christmas this year. Things were different, but
35:43
Speaker 1: just you know, being able to spend it together was
35:45
Speaker 1: really all that that mattered. Olivia, What or are your
35:50
Speaker 1: plans with melon everything? Um? I m had been in
35:59
Speaker 1: the process of moving into his house. Um, my apartment
36:03
Speaker 1: lease is up at the end of February, so I
36:05
Speaker 1: had already um pretty much packed up most of my
36:09
Speaker 1: stuff and the boxes were at his house. We had
36:12
Speaker 1: been fixing up his house a little bit, so we
36:15
Speaker 1: redid the bathroom together. Just I mean, we worked so
36:18
Speaker 1: well as a team of stuff like that. So I
36:22
Speaker 1: think it was this past weekend we had planned to
36:24
Speaker 1: pick up his mom's truck and you know, start bringing
36:27
Speaker 1: over my furniture, kind of moved my cats into his house.
36:33
Speaker 1: I was supposed to graduate, well I hopefully will graduate
36:36
Speaker 1: in June from grad school. So we were just supposed
36:40
Speaker 1: to be you know, becoming adults together and living together.
36:45
Speaker 1: And we obviously had the plan to you know, buy
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Speaker 1: a house in the suburbs at some point and get
36:52
Speaker 1: you know, get married and have kids and get more dogs,
36:56
Speaker 1: and just even I mean everything. We had retirement plans together,
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Speaker 1: we had summer plans, we had just plans for everything.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I wanted to do it all with him
37:08
Speaker 1: and I was supposed to. Amy, If you would share
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Speaker 1: with us right now, what is your most vivid memory
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Speaker 1: of your boy, Melan? Right now, the most vivid memory
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Speaker 1: is bold metal and soft flesh, and I can't, I
37:40
Speaker 1: can't get that out of my mind. Then I try
37:44
Speaker 1: to remember the good things, and that just makes me cry.
37:49
Speaker 1: And I hope that that change and I can remember.
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Speaker 1: I believe whatever I pray to God, that you're suffering
38:09
Speaker 1: eases and that you find comfort. Please know our our
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Speaker 1: prayers are with you and all of your family, and
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Speaker 1: our desire is justice. Fancy Grace, signing off, good my friend,