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September 4, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show | FREEDOM FRIDAY · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

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SPEAKER_39: Hey John, it's Mary from Northern Kentucky.
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SPEAKER_39: I just wanted to wish you and the Freedom Friday crew a wonderful day and a great weekend, and thanks for all you do.
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SPEAKER_39: Take care.
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SPEAKER_39: Bye.
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SPEAKER_36: If it's big, you don't touch it.
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SPEAKER_36: That's what I was taught.
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SPEAKER_31: Oh hell yeah.
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SPEAKER_42: Love you so much and love the radio audio.
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SPEAKER_42: You do such a great job.
2:50
SPEAKER_27: Good morning.
2:51
SPEAKER_27: Leaving microphones on in the middle of playing the AI overlords.
2:55
SPEAKER_27: Getting rusty.
2:56
SPEAKER_27: A little behind the scenes.
2:57
SPEAKER_27: That's partly on me.
2:58
SPEAKER_27: I usually turn it off when I get in here, too.
3:00
SPEAKER_27: So I'll take a little bit of responsibility.
3:03
SPEAKER_27: But if you were listening earlier, you saw me, just you heard me just lobbing all kinds of profanity, cursing up a storm, yelling at I know what happened at that.
3:11
SPEAKER_27: And not even, not even slightly.
3:14
SPEAKER_27: You heard a little background of Isaac trying to get the cameras in focus as I was prepping today's show.
3:20
SPEAKER_27: True.
3:20
SPEAKER_27: All true.
3:21
SPEAKER_27: Uh the cameras were being set up because we will have a full house.
3:24
SPEAKER_27: Uh well, almost a full house this morning.
3:26
SPEAKER_27: I forgot.
3:27
SPEAKER_27: We are one short, but Isaac's here.
3:28
SPEAKER_27: So uh you get to fill in the role of the one person that's not here, and that's Catherine Johnson this morning.
3:33
SPEAKER_27: So uh Catherine Johnson's not here today, but Grace Gating should be arriving uh right around seven o'clock.
3:39
SPEAKER_27: Uh we have Representative uh Max Reimer.
3:41
SPEAKER_27: Uh he should be joining us in studio around 6:30.
3:44
SPEAKER_27: And somewhere around all of that time, uh RNC committeeman uh A.K.
3:49
SPEAKER_27: Kamara will be joining us in studio.
3:51
SPEAKER_27: And of course, on a Freedom Friday, that means on and off topic comments all morning long to the best of our ability.
3:59
SPEAKER_27: We have the new blaster line.
4:02
SPEAKER_27: Audio is vastly improved over what we had before, where you can let your voice be heard and leave us a voice message, but you can also leave us a text message, although I may have bitten off more that I can chew.
4:14
SPEAKER_27: I was talking with Katherine Johnson about this uh yesterday, and she was uh commenting uh on just how how uh much more clear the audio was on the on the on the blast coming in, of which we already have some this morning that we'll that we'll share.
4:28
SPEAKER_27: And she also was sort of raving about the the new text feature.
4:31
SPEAKER_27: And I said, Yeah, it's great, but that's a lot of information coming into the show that I gotta keep track of in the middle of doing all the commentary as well.
4:37
SPEAKER_27: So I may have to be passing off some of this stuff to those who produce the show, like Devin and Isaac, so you can feed me the uh the texts as they roll into the blaster line.
4:47
SPEAKER_27: But that's the really good thing about Freedom Friday, though, is that I do have more opportunities with the other voices, especially with AK here, because he likes to filibuster.
4:55
SPEAKER_27: He talks a lot.
4:56
SPEAKER_28: I don't know if you notice that or not.
4:57
SPEAKER_27: You know, I can always count.
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SPEAKER_27: If I need to go and preview blasts coming into the blaster line or look at texts or look at emails, I just wait until AK starts going on a particular issue and I go, oh, okay, good.
5:08
SPEAKER_27: I got about four or five minutes now.
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SPEAKER_27: I should be, I should be good to go.
5:11
SPEAKER_27: That's not a dig.
5:12
SPEAKER_27: He's got great commentary.
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SPEAKER_27: I'm saying that as a as a positive.
5:16
SPEAKER_27: So uh we have a lot of updates today.
5:18
SPEAKER_27: We do we will give you the uh latest on the mass shooting that took place earlier this week.
5:22
SPEAKER_27: I have an example of what I was talking about yesterday regarding my confusion over how the mass shooting ended up becoming a national news story based off of just the number of homicides that take place uh here in Minneapolis, because there was another one overnight.
5:40
SPEAKER_27: And so we'll talk about that coming up a little bit later on.
5:43
SPEAKER_27: Uh, Christian Castro, this was the ICE agent who allegedly um gave false statements regarding one of the violent firearm altercations that took place during Operation Metro Surge, that Hennepin County attorney Scary Moriarty and Attorney General Thief Ellison were trying to extradite him from Texas back into Minnesota.
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SPEAKER_27: They wanted to do it for political purposes, in my opinion.
6:07
SPEAKER_27: He was released last week because he had been held in jail for 90 days, but there still was an ongoing investigation into his uh background.
6:15
SPEAKER_27: Uh he's now been charged by the Department of Justice and re-arrested for making false statements.
6:21
SPEAKER_27: So we'll dive into the details coming up later on.
6:24
SPEAKER_27: And we do have an update, and we'll talk a little bit more about the Lindsey Clancy case.
6:28
SPEAKER_27: Uh, bizarre moves yesterday.
6:31
SPEAKER_27: I don't want to turn this into true crime here on the John Justice show on a Freedom Friday.
6:36
SPEAKER_27: I like talking about this particular issue as it relates to what's happening in our society right now, but there apparently seems to be one lone holdout juror.
6:48
SPEAKER_27: And the defense lawyer for Lindsey Clancy made an unprecedented move yesterday, calling out this one juror that he believes is the lone holdout for the prosecution.
6:59
SPEAKER_27: He thinks the other jurors are all in favor of letting Lindsey Clancy off due to you know mental illness.
7:08
SPEAKER_27: So we'll get into the details of that uh coming up this hour on the show.
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SPEAKER_27: And of course, we'll get your comments as well on a Freedom Friday.
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SPEAKER_27: You can email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org or again 651-964-0294 is the number where you can text or leave us a voice blast.
7:28
SPEAKER_27: Speaking of, let's go ahead and go here on a Freedom Friday.
7:31
SPEAKER_41: Morning, John.
7:32
SPEAKER_41: I'm guessing you may have already mentioned this, but uh since I work overnight and by time, I am looking home.
7:40
SPEAKER_41: I'm very high here about the phone.
7:49
SPEAKER_41: I was wondering how three.
7:57
SPEAKER_41: Um, did you mention optimist time?
8:01
SPEAKER_41: I am sad when I heard that.
8:03
SPEAKER_41: I couldn't believe it.
8:05
SPEAKER_41: Um, I even had them on them and the ring tone.
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SPEAKER_41: Um and and I can't believe it.
8:14
SPEAKER_41: I was just wondering if you mentioned that.
8:16
SPEAKER_41: So I I have a good day.
8:18
SPEAKER_27: Thank you for the um for the blast.
8:20
SPEAKER_27: Uh I I'm glad you brought this up because it was a point that I wanted to make on the show and had just forgotten about it in the wake of more relevant news.
8:30
SPEAKER_27: But we had the we had the passing of Dolly Parton, and then we had the passing of Tim Curry, as she mentioned.
8:38
SPEAKER_27: And then a lot of people were talking about how this happens in threes, typically, right?
8:46
SPEAKER_27: And there's no scientific evidence of that.
8:48
SPEAKER_27: It just it often seems like we get when it comes to celebrity deaths, we end up getting these celebrity deaths that end up happening in in threes, and everybody was kind of wondering, well, where is the third one going to come from?
9:02
SPEAKER_27: Everybody kind of forgot about Hayden Penateri.
9:05
SPEAKER_27: She had passed away like a week and a half before she was only in her 30s.
9:10
SPEAKER_27: And I felt I'm like, oh man, I kind of feel bad for Hayden Penateri, because she was she was the beginning of the three cycle.
9:17
SPEAKER_27: It was her, and then it was Dolly Parton, and then it was Tim Curry, which means that Peter Collin, who also passed away in his 80s, in reference to uh Dolly Parton.
9:26
SPEAKER_27: And then there was the voice of Optimus Prime, Peter Collin, who then passed away, which I would think if you're going off of this, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm just having fun on a Freedom Friday, then then he would restart the cycle.
9:37
SPEAKER_27: But Taden Peniteri kind of got the shaft in that.
9:40
SPEAKER_27: A bit of a bit of a bummer.
9:42
SPEAKER_27: I too like me some Optimus Prime.
9:44
SPEAKER_27: Kyle, my uh 19-year-old, well, almost 20-year-old, is a massive, massive Transformers fan.
9:49
SPEAKER_27: I celebrate all of the all of the films.
9:52
SPEAKER_09: Never seen it.
9:53
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
9:53
SPEAKER_27: That doesn't surprise me.
9:54
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
9:55
SPEAKER_27: I'm gonna stop being surprised at all of the wonderful content that uh I grew up with and I enjoy on a regular basis that you, Isaac, have not been exposed to.
10:04
SPEAKER_27: I'm gonna quit, I'm gonna quit being being shocked by this.
10:06
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, that's probably a good another thing, I bet that you are uh completely uh unaware of uh is uh something called um the uh Columbia uh House.
10:16
SPEAKER_27: You know what Columbia House is?
10:17
SPEAKER_27: You have any idea what Columbia has?
10:18
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, no idea.
10:19
SPEAKER_27: I knew you would not know what Columbia House was.
10:22
SPEAKER_27: Okay, so back in the day.
10:23
SPEAKER_27: Okay, and we're gonna talk a little bit about uh this is a preview for much later in the show.
10:27
SPEAKER_27: There's a new study that's come out wherein they've uh they've discovered that auto accidents increase on the days of high profile record releases.
10:43
SPEAKER_27: And they've gone and accounted for mitigating factors and ruled them out.
10:49
SPEAKER_27: So they have tangible evidence to show that when there is a major album released that uh traffic accidents increase.
10:58
SPEAKER_09: Who knew?
10:59
SPEAKER_27: So yeah, so I I didn't until I um until I until I found out about the the study.
11:06
SPEAKER_09: Very interesting.
11:06
SPEAKER_27: So we'll talk about and there's also a study about whether or not current pop music is making us a more angry country.
11:11
SPEAKER_27: So that's another part of it.
11:12
SPEAKER_27: Uh no, so Columbia House, um, Isaac, was a uh subscription where in uh in magazines, Sunday newspapers, you do know what magazines and newspapers are, right?
11:22
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I've heard one before.
11:23
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
11:24
SPEAKER_27: Well, we have our own magazine here.
11:26
SPEAKER_27: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_28: That's the only one I've heard.
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SPEAKER_28: Center of the American Experiment.
11:29
SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_27: We pioneered the magazine, yes, at American Experiment.
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SPEAKER_27: Uh so in in ads and magazines and Sunday papers, you could get seven records or tapes for a penny.
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SPEAKER_27: Kind of.
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SPEAKER_27: You had to subscribe to this, right?
11:43
SPEAKER_27: It was a bit of a scam.
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SPEAKER_27: Uh, there were a list of options for records or tapes or later CDs that you wanted, and all you had to do was attach a penny and send it in.
11:52
SPEAKER_27: Now, if you're young enough, you probably missed the fact that you were signing up for a subscription service, and I bet most of us abandoned that subscription.
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SPEAKER_27: I never did Columbia House.
12:02
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
12:03
SPEAKER_27: I I never took advantage of this because I knew it was a subscription service and I didn't want to spend the money.
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SPEAKER_27: I always thought it was an amazing deal, but I never personally did Columbia House.
12:11
SPEAKER_27: Uh-huh.
12:12
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
12:12
SPEAKER_27: If you did, by the way, leave us a talk back.
12:14
SPEAKER_27: I would be very curious.
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SPEAKER_27: It seems to be one of those circumstances where for those that aren't aware, the the return rate on gift cards is like 50%.
12:24
SPEAKER_27: Right.
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SPEAKER_27: So that's why you see so many promotions surrounding gift certificates.
12:32
SPEAKER_27: It's because only 50% end up returning those those gift certificates.
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SPEAKER_27: Okay.
12:36
SPEAKER_27: I think the same thing rings true here.
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SPEAKER_27: I think when it comes to Columbia House, if you had taken advantage of it and really ordered a lot of records and CDs, you probably could have made it potentially a wash.
12:47
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
12:48
SPEAKER_27: So it was Mail Order Music and Media, Columbia House.
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SPEAKER_27: Only just now stopped accepting new orders after September.
12:56
SPEAKER_27: Actually, no, it stops in the next uh on September 15th.
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SPEAKER_27: It has still been going all of these years for those that remember Columbia House.
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SPEAKER_09: Is it still a penny?
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SPEAKER_27: Yes.
13:07
SPEAKER_27: Oh my goodness.
13:08
SPEAKER_27: Still a penny.
13:09
SPEAKER_09: Wow.
13:09
SPEAKER_27: That's right.
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SPEAKER_27: So after 915, Columbia House will no longer be accepting new orders.
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SPEAKER_27: You can still purchase books with your credit card or credits as normal.
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SPEAKER_27: So this ends a 71-year history.
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SPEAKER_27: Now Columbia House traces its origins back to 1955, which is also interesting because when we talk about the uh uh Lindsay Clancy story a little bit later, I'm gonna share with you a story of another woman, and this goes back to 1954.
13:43
SPEAKER_27: So, again, kind of we're kind of just it's Freedom Friday.
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SPEAKER_27: Bear with me.
13:46
SPEAKER_27: We got a lot of fun stuff to talk about today.
13:49
SPEAKER_27: But this goes back to 1955 when Columbia Records was then part of CBS.
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SPEAKER_27: They launched the Columbia Record Club as an experimental mail order service.
13:57
SPEAKER_27: The goal was to reach rural and suburban customers who lacked easy access to record stores while also competing with other direct marketing efforts outside the traditional music industry.
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SPEAKER_27: Throughout the 60s and 70s, the company expanded into all the new formats and uh stereo records, reel-to-reel tapes, eight-track cartridges, and cassettes.
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SPEAKER_27: By the early 1970s, the umbrella brand of Columbia House had been established to cover its various clubs.
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SPEAKER_27: Membership surpassed three million by the mid-1970s.
14:27
SPEAKER_27: And then in the 80s and 90s, they brought further growth with the rise of compact discs.
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SPEAKER_27: At its peak in the mid-1990s, Columbia House claimed roughly 16 million members, and together with its main rival BMG Music Surface, accounted for a substantial portion of all CD sales in the United States.
14:45
SPEAKER_27: The annual revenue from Columbia House reached as high as$1.4 billion.
14:55
SPEAKER_27: Now you're probably thinking, wait a second, wait a second.
14:58
SPEAKER_27: It was I had no idea it was still around.
14:59
SPEAKER_27: I thought Columbia House had gone away a long time ago.
15:02
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
15:03
SPEAKER_27: It's because Columbia House shifted its model, adding videotapes, DVDs, and Blu-rays.
15:08
SPEAKER_27: It eventually shifted primarily to physical video.
15:11
SPEAKER_27: Today, Columbia House specializes in more obscure Blu-ray and DVD titles.
15:16
SPEAKER_40: Good morning, John.
15:17
SPEAKER_40: Bob from Lake Elmo.
15:18
SPEAKER_40: Man, you're taking me back.
15:20
SPEAKER_40: Yes, I was a Columbia Records uh member.
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SPEAKER_40: I grew up way out in North Dakota next to the Montana border.
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SPEAKER_40: Closest record store was about an hour and a half away.
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SPEAKER_40: Columbia House is my lifeline to music.
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SPEAKER_40: Great memory.
15:34
SPEAKER_40: Have a great day.
15:34
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, you too.
15:35
SPEAKER_27: Thank you so much for the blast.
15:36
SPEAKER_27: Uh 651-964-0294.
15:39
SPEAKER_27: Streaming, of course, has changed the way that people consume media.
15:42
SPEAKER_27: And while it's convenient, it also puts us at the mercy of woke studios.
15:46
SPEAKER_27: And the article came from PJ Media, so now you know the reason why.
15:50
SPEAKER_27: Woke Studios that may alter or even take down content that the cultural overlords deem offensive or outdated, with the de-emphasis on physical media combined with the uh ubiquity of Walmart, Target, and Amazon for those who buy physical media, and those places are not even great choices anymore.
16:07
SPEAKER_27: Uh Columbia House had little choice but to shut uh down.
16:12
SPEAKER_27: At the end of the piece, it says, if you remember, um oh yeah, so they say it's bittersweet, but maybe if uh we all took up a collection of what our younger salsa owe to Columbia House, we could still keep it afloat.
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SPEAKER_27: No, I'm good.
16:25
SPEAKER_27: I'm a huge collector, though, of um of physical media.
16:28
SPEAKER_27: I'm a big, big proponent of physical media.
16:30
SPEAKER_27: Just because I get so tired of seeing stuff shift around when you want to watch it.
16:35
SPEAKER_27: Melinda and I went through this recently.
16:36
SPEAKER_27: There were like three different movies, and it's on us for not making the time to go and watch them and choosing other items, but um, there were like three different movies on Netflix, all that we wanted to watch that we didn't own.
16:48
SPEAKER_27: Because we kind of we go through this whole is it ownable?
16:50
SPEAKER_27: Is it not ownable?
16:51
SPEAKER_27: How often are we gonna watch it?
16:52
SPEAKER_27: So these are films that Little Miss Sunshine was one of them, Girl on a Train was another.
16:58
SPEAKER_27: I should own Rudy.
16:59
SPEAKER_27: Rudy was one.
17:00
SPEAKER_27: I don't own Rudy.
17:01
SPEAKER_27: I've seen that one.
17:02
SPEAKER_27: Okay, yeah.
17:02
SPEAKER_27: Love it.
17:03
SPEAKER_27: That doesn't surprise me in the least bit.
17:05
SPEAKER_27: Unbelievable movie.
17:06
SPEAKER_27: Seems like right in your milieu.
17:07
SPEAKER_27: Oh, yeah.
17:08
SPEAKER_27: Um, of course, but you haven't seen Lord of the Rings, which is odd because yeah.
17:12
SPEAKER_27: It's it's Sam Wise.
17:13
SPEAKER_27: Anyway, uh, but they, you know, you can get to the end of the month and they're like, this is leaving.
17:18
SPEAKER_27: You have until August 31st.
17:20
SPEAKER_27: I hate that.
17:22
SPEAKER_27: Melinda made a really good point, though, because we were debating on what we wanted to watch last week, and there were other movies that were on our list.
17:28
SPEAKER_27: And I was like, well, we should really go and watch one of the ones on Netflix.
17:32
SPEAKER_27: And Melinda goes, yeah, but they're just gonna go to a different streaming service, and we have subscriptions to almost all of them, so what are you worried about?
17:39
SPEAKER_27: And I was like, Oh, that's a good point.
17:41
SPEAKER_27: See, this is why I married you.
17:43
SPEAKER_28: I mean, it's one of the reasons, not the old, not the only reason.
17:46
SPEAKER_28: I think the real question is, why did she marry me?
17:49
SPEAKER_19: Hey John, random guy greater Minnesota here.
17:52
SPEAKER_19: Um yeah, I used to do BMG music when I was a kid.
17:57
SPEAKER_19: And uh that's like I think like the market basement version of Columbia House anyway.
18:03
SPEAKER_19: Um my mom, and I did not listen to the patchboard.
18:13
SPEAKER_19: But my mom made me get a debatable title.
18:21
SPEAKER_27: Actually, it's just songs of faith and devotion.
18:24
SPEAKER_27: Just want to be clear.
18:26
SPEAKER_27: There's no soul in it.
18:27
SPEAKER_27: Although the album has a lot of soul.
18:30
SPEAKER_27: It's just songs of faith and devotion.
18:32
SPEAKER_27: Sorry, I had to butt actually.
18:34
SPEAKER_19: And I'm like, mom, you're you're not understanding this.
18:38
SPEAKER_19: This is kind of not literal, you know.
18:42
SPEAKER_19: Because I I listened to the 90s country at the time, and yeah, so I don't know.
18:47
SPEAKER_19: She was worried about me hearing about too much drinking and gambling.
18:50
SPEAKER_19: I don't know.
18:50
SPEAKER_19: Anyway, have a great weekend.
18:52
SPEAKER_19: Yeah.
18:53
SPEAKER_27: So instead, she had you go and purchase an album that has a lot of religious themes and a lot of sexual innuendos and undertones.
18:59
SPEAKER_27: So way to go, mom.
19:01
SPEAKER_27: I was actually listening to Songs of Faith and Devotion on the drive-in this morning.
19:07
SPEAKER_27: It's a true story.
19:08
SPEAKER_27: I was on a depeche mode kick.
19:10
SPEAKER_27: If you're watching on the Center of the American Experiment Facebook or YouTube feed, or you're on X and you're watching, you can see why that's relevant based off of my attire uh this morning.
19:23
SPEAKER_38: Hey, good morning, John.
19:24
SPEAKER_38: Happy Friday to everyone out there.
19:27
SPEAKER_38: Thing I remember about Columbia House was if you didn't respond to them, they were going to send you the monthly album, whatever it was.
19:36
SPEAKER_38: How many people have albums they had absolutely no interest in because they were just too lazy to follow through on that part of the contract.
19:46
SPEAKER_27: You know what's funny is that I I never, like I said, I never, at least I don't remember ever doing Columbia House.
19:51
SPEAKER_27: But I do remember that, that they would end up sending you, and I imagine that it was promotions for the record labels, wherein, hey, send out this free copy for this artist that we're trying to go and get uh attention, uh attention for.
20:05
SPEAKER_27: So that's really uh interesting on a Freedom Friday.
20:08
SPEAKER_27: Uh let's go back to some more of uh your comments on the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
20:14
SPEAKER_27: Remember, you can also leave us a uh text message as well on the blaster line.
20:18
SPEAKER_13: Good morning, John Rich here.
20:20
SPEAKER_13: Speaking of movies, the other night I watched Vision Quest, which was a great wrestling movie back in the day.
20:26
SPEAKER_13: And then I went back to try and watch Rob Lowell and Patrick Swayze in Youngblood, and that movie is not available anywhere.
20:36
SPEAKER_13: The only way you can get that movie is you can buy it by DVD, which something about the royalties.
20:43
SPEAKER_27: Well, a lot of these, uh a lot of these old movies, um, and you and he hit the hit you hit the nail on the head, Rich.
20:50
SPEAKER_27: Uh, a lot of these old movies they're not released because of those licensing issues, uh mostly due to the fact, especially when you go back to the 90s and the ear and the and the eighties, uh, the the licensing when it came to particular songs was a lot less stringent as it is now.
21:09
SPEAKER_27: And, you know, you only had a handful of of labels, and so it was easier to get permission to buy the rights.
21:15
SPEAKER_27: But so many of these major artists that appeared in these television shows and movies uh going back decades, those rights have moved all over the place.
21:25
SPEAKER_27: And so for one particular platform, streaming platform, or even to go and sell it, it's all near impossible to go and figure out who gets the right to what based off of what music is actually in the film.
21:39
SPEAKER_27: Um Pump Up the Volume.
21:41
SPEAKER_27: Uh probably never no no no idea.
21:44
SPEAKER_09: I thought you were telling me to pump up your volume.
21:46
SPEAKER_09: No.
21:47
SPEAKER_09: I was like, oh my gosh, I'm doing something wrong.
21:49
SPEAKER_09: No, pump up.
21:51
SPEAKER_27: Should have thought about that before I said it.
21:53
SPEAKER_09: Not a radio guy.
21:54
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
21:54
SPEAKER_27: Not a radio guy.
21:55
SPEAKER_27: That's right.
21:55
SPEAKER_27: Right.
21:55
SPEAKER_27: Uh no, pump up the volume was a uh an early 90s uh film with Chris.
22:00
SPEAKER_27: Christian Slater probably invented podcasting.
22:03
SPEAKER_27: He was a pirate radio DJ broadcasting a pirate signal out of the basement of his home.
22:11
SPEAKER_27: It was shot in California, but I believe he was supposed to be in Arizona.
22:16
SPEAKER_27: That's a film that's filled with all kinds of great fantastic alternative music going back to the early 90s.
22:22
SPEAKER_27: I have the DVD, but they haven't released it otherwise.
22:25
SPEAKER_27: It's not on any streaming platforms for the very issue that I was just uh just referring to.
22:30
SPEAKER_27: Uh by the way, Vision Quest, uh Madonna, uh Crazy for You was the single from that album.
22:34
SPEAKER_27: One of my favorite Madonna songs of all time.
22:37
SPEAKER_27: Fantastic, fantastic tune.
22:39
SPEAKER_16: Hey John, former neighbor Mike here.
22:41
SPEAKER_16: Good morning.
22:42
SPEAKER_16: I am looking at my vast collection of BMG CDs right now that I collected during the 90s when I was a sales engineer.
22:48
SPEAKER_16: Driving to Polaris, way up in Russell.
22:51
SPEAKER_16: It's a 10-hour drive from Minnetonka.
22:53
SPEAKER_16: Listen to lots of CDs.
22:55
SPEAKER_16: Have a great day.
22:56
SPEAKER_16: Have great Labor Day weekend.
22:57
SPEAKER_27: I've been holding on to this story for weeks.
23:00
SPEAKER_27: I think since I started the new show here on July 27th, I have been hanging on to this story because I had a sense that this was going to be the response, but I just I gave up long ago guessing what you listening were going to be interested in.
23:13
SPEAKER_27: That's why when I do the show, I just talk about what interests me the most.
23:17
SPEAKER_27: Because I'll be presenting my best self by talking about the things that I care about the most.
23:22
SPEAKER_27: But I'd been sitting on this Columbia House story, finally going away, hesitant to go and share it with you.
23:28
SPEAKER_27: And well, I'm glad I did today, but I'm kind of regretting I didn't do it, uh didn't do it sooner.
23:33
SPEAKER_27: Um, somebody had texted in after I became a Christian, I joined the World Record Club and Sparrow.
23:40
SPEAKER_27: I believe that those would be the Christian versions of uh the Columbia House, you know.
23:46
SPEAKER_27: I I enjoyed some Christian music growing up, but I just oh it's I've always found it so lacking in quality, which just sucks.
23:53
SPEAKER_27: I know it's gotten better throughout the throughout the decades, but when again, when you go back to the time frame that we're talking about, the late 80s and into the 90s, uh especially growing up in a staunch Christian uh household.
24:04
SPEAKER_27: And you know, my father wanted me to listen to to good, uplifting, positive Christian music.
24:09
SPEAKER_27: Uh, I tried, but man, it was tough to it was tough to find good quality stuff that was Christian.
24:15
SPEAKER_27: It really was.
24:16
SPEAKER_27: I do remember, like I really got into Randy Stonehill.
24:20
SPEAKER_27: I don't know if he's still around, don't nothing.
24:22
SPEAKER_27: Striper, of course.
24:23
SPEAKER_09: Oh, yeah, yep, yep, yep.
24:24
SPEAKER_27: There were a couple of quasi-electronic bands I remember from like the early 2000s, but even they were kind of eh, you know.
24:33
SPEAKER_27: So but then you get a band like Fly Leaf, who are Christian, but they kind of broke into mainstream, but they did a little bit of a crossover there, boy.
24:41
SPEAKER_27: Um, you know, and I just know I'm just losing a lot of people right now.
24:44
SPEAKER_27: So let's go back to the blasts on a Freedom Friday.
24:48
SPEAKER_11: Even the TV show, the Goldberg, did a whole show on Columbia House where the time was putting through subscriptions under fake names so he would get all these tapes mailed to his house.
25:03
SPEAKER_11: And then he wouldn't be responsible for them because they weren't under his name.
25:06
SPEAKER_11: It was pretty funny.
25:08
SPEAKER_11: Have a good week.
25:09
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I need to revisit it.
25:10
SPEAKER_27: I saw a clip the other day from the Goldbergs, and I know they've always done a lot of uh a lot of riffering on Star Wars, and um I I tried in the past, watched a few episodes, but then got distracted by other things.
25:20
SPEAKER_27: And I think it's one of those shows that maybe I need to put on in the background while I'm doing prep, because typically I go and watch a lot of shows when I'm uh when I'm prepping for uh for this show.
25:28
SPEAKER_27: Right now I'm on a Seinfeld uh rewatch.
25:30
SPEAKER_27: So uh thank you all for the blast this morning.
25:32
SPEAKER_27: If you want to continue to reminisce about Columbia House, we will talk music later on in the show on a Freedom Friday.
25:38
SPEAKER_27: Again, on and off topic comments all morning long.
25:40
SPEAKER_27: Let's go here yesterday.
25:42
SPEAKER_27: JD Vance, first White House press briefing in like 40 days?
25:47
SPEAKER_27: I had no idea.
25:49
SPEAKER_27: First one since uh Caroline Levitt left uh Fox News.
25:54
SPEAKER_27: Still don't know who the replacement is going to be.
25:56
SPEAKER_27: I think Scott Jennings was being rumored, and then that got downplayed.
26:01
SPEAKER_27: Uh yesterday, Maria Barter Romo on Fox News suddenly exited for no reason at all.
26:06
SPEAKER_27: The president had um commented how frustrated he was over that.
26:12
SPEAKER_27: We don't know the reason why.
26:13
SPEAKER_27: And then there was some speculation that Maria Barter Romo might become the next White House press secretary.
26:20
SPEAKER_27: I can't really see that.
26:22
SPEAKER_27: So yesterday it was JD Vance, which was fantastic because he I know he's probably gonna run for the presidency, and again, it's way too soon to talk about favorites and all of this stuff because you got numerous individuals, Marco Rubio being one of them, Ted Cruz being uh being another, you know, all vying potentially for as GOP candidates because no, Trump's not gonna run for another term, so don't bother leaving me a talk back, uh, foes of the show.
26:47
SPEAKER_27: I mean, you can, but doesn't mean I'm gonna I'm gonna go and play it.
26:50
SPEAKER_27: Uh, but JD Vance is so good on the campaign trail, behind a podium, on the stump.
26:55
SPEAKER_27: The dude's just spot on.
26:56
SPEAKER_27: So uh I watched quite a bit of it, of the coverage of uh JD Vance hosting uh as uh serving as White House press secretary.
27:04
SPEAKER_27: Uh I do have a couple of clips.
27:06
SPEAKER_27: I'll play one here.
27:06
SPEAKER_27: I have one that I want to attach to a story a little bit later on.
27:09
SPEAKER_27: But uh the vice president did offer voters a blunted choice yesterday, arguing that Americans who want safety and security and prosperity should choose Republicans over Democrats in uh November.
27:20
SPEAKER_27: Uh and he uh you know he went on to talk about the upcoming midterm elections, and here's a bit of what uh J.D.
27:25
SPEAKER_27: Vance had to say during that uh White House press briefing here on the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment.
27:31
SPEAKER_27: Pink tie.
27:33
SPEAKER_03: Okay, that's why I wore the pink tie too.
27:35
SPEAKER_03: That's right.
27:37
SPEAKER_03: Anyway, nine justices.
27:39
SPEAKER_03: We all know grownups in grammar school, and there are nine justices on the U.S.
27:42
SPEAKER_03: Supreme Court.
27:43
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
27:43
SPEAKER_03: How long does it stay that way based on what happened yesterday in the House?
27:47
SPEAKER_03: Um, what do you mean?
27:48
SPEAKER_07: Well, you know, going forward, how confident are you it will remain at nine?
27:52
SPEAKER_07: Well, look, our commitment in the Trump administration is that we would like to have nine Supreme Court justices.
27:57
SPEAKER_07: That's the way that it's been for a long time, and we think that's the way that it should stay.
28:01
SPEAKER_07: We also know that Democrats have explicitly promised that they will pack the United States Supreme Court if they're given additional power.
28:07
SPEAKER_07: And again, this is this is why I think that the the choice in this election is not between this set of policies that are good and this set of policies that are not so good.
28:17
SPEAKER_07: The choice in the election really is between crazy people who are trying to rig the game and common sense people who you may have disagreements with from time to time, but at least they're rooted in common sense.
28:27
SPEAKER_07: The Democrats are saying, they're actively bragging, that they don't like the rules of the game.
28:32
SPEAKER_07: Meaning Americans vote for House members, Americans vote for senators, and then we all try to make the best government and the best rules and the best legislation in the interest of the American people.
28:42
SPEAKER_07: They're saying that they think that the rules don't allow them to run roughshod over the American Constitution, so they want to change the rules.
28:48
SPEAKER_07: They want to add additional states so that there can be more Democratic senators.
28:52
SPEAKER_07: Note that they're not proposing to add territories that are heavily Republican.
28:56
SPEAKER_07: They just want to add the territories that are heavily Democratic.
28:59
SPEAKER_07: They also, of course, want to pack the Supreme Court.
29:01
SPEAKER_07: So how long will it last?
29:03
SPEAKER_07: I think, frankly, so long as Republicans are in power, we're gonna have a Supreme Court that is good and honest and fair to the Constitution.
29:13
SPEAKER_27: There's um, it's gonna be very I it goes without saying that it's gonna be interesting to see how the discourse shapes up over the course of the next two months heading into the to the midterm elections.
29:28
SPEAKER_27: We're in that we're in that weird spot where campaigns are solidifying post-primary here in Minnesota.
29:36
SPEAKER_27: People are establishing further their talking points, uh, the national uh narratives are starting to form.
29:44
SPEAKER_27: We're not quite there yet, but you're beginning to see how the campaigns are planning on forming their final arguments in these last two months.
29:53
SPEAKER_27: And I think that's mostly what September is going to is going to be.
29:58
SPEAKER_27: It's going to be not just Republicans, but more specifically, and not just Democrats, but also Republicans.
30:04
SPEAKER_27: But I'm more curious to see how the left goes and decides what narratives they want to put forward in the wake of so many of these various controversies that have that have erupted.
30:17
SPEAKER_27: You know, here in Minnesota, it seems as if, and I'm expecting this to change, we'll see.
30:21
SPEAKER_27: It seems as if most of the Democrat candidates are taking this stance of we're not gonna run against the actual candidates that we're running against.
30:29
SPEAKER_27: We're just gonna run off of being anti-Trump.
30:31
SPEAKER_27: And you see that in commentary across the board, whether it's from those, you know, candidates for Democrats.
30:40
SPEAKER_27: You know, whether it's you know Amy Klobishar, whether it's you know, Peggy Flanagan, you see them taking this, they're gonna talk more specifically about Trump than they are their political uh uh opponents.
30:52
SPEAKER_27: But at the same time, I don't know if that's gonna stick.
30:55
SPEAKER_27: And I don't know if it's working.
30:56
SPEAKER_27: And then we probably won't know, and they probably won't know until they actually go and see some polling.
31:01
SPEAKER_27: But you have these other issues of the Democrat Socialists, more exposure of who they are, a lot more commentary around it.
31:07
SPEAKER_27: So I expect sort of a lot of chaos in terms of the narratives this month, as we head closer to the midterms.
31:14
SPEAKER_27: By the time we get into October, I would imagine that the parties will probably have solidified uh whatever narratives they've decided to go with against their uh political rivals.
31:24
SPEAKER_27: But the Supreme Court issue is going to be one of them as well.
31:26
SPEAKER_27: And it's why Republicans have rightly so been attempting to get individuals serving in Congress on the record showing their support or lack of when it comes to things like packing, uh packing the court.
31:39
SPEAKER_27: I have more clips to share regarding JD Vance that we'll get to a little bit uh later on uh in the show.
31:45
SPEAKER_27: I did have a uh text that rolled in based off of the previous comment who says, uh, dude, there were many awesome Christian bands in the 80s and 90s.
31:52
SPEAKER_27: Uh Petra, an epic band which catapulted Christian rock.
31:57
SPEAKER_27: I listened to some Petra.
31:59
SPEAKER_27: It was, you know, a little bit.
32:00
SPEAKER_27: But it was just there was there was something lacking in in quality.
32:06
SPEAKER_27: You know what I think it came down to?
32:08
SPEAKER_27: Not that I want to wipe out on this too hard.
32:10
SPEAKER_27: I think it comes down to the it comes down to the subject matter of writing Christian music.
32:14
SPEAKER_27: I think too many Christian bands it's gotten better since then.
32:19
SPEAKER_27: Instead of writing songs like a typical artist would, shared experiences, but doing it from a Christian perspective, a lot of the music was more praise music, which didn't make it as easily accessible on a daily.
32:34
SPEAKER_27: You know, I think there's a time and place for that.
32:35
SPEAKER_27: But when it comes to listening to popular music, uh, while that will be some individual's cup of tea, you know, what draws us to music, that emotional aspect of what pulls us in, uh the shared experiences, you know, uh stories, love, all of these items.
32:53
SPEAKER_27: You can write music that's Christian and its core, but still is relatable.
32:56
SPEAKER_27: And I think a lot of that early Christian music didn't do that.
32:59
SPEAKER_27: I think a lot of it was more focused on the on the praise, uh, the praise aspect of it.
33:03
SPEAKER_27: So that's my two cents.
33:05
SPEAKER_27: Just a theory.
33:06
SPEAKER_27: Don't hold me accountable for it.
33:08
SPEAKER_27: That's a good take.
33:09
SPEAKER_27: You know, well, you know, it's a well, let's put it this way, Isaac.
33:11
SPEAKER_27: You know, it's a take.
33:12
SPEAKER_27: I like it.
33:13
SPEAKER_27: Okay, well, thank you.
33:14
SPEAKER_27: I appreciate I appreciate that.
33:15
SPEAKER_09: It's one of the takes I've heard.
33:16
SPEAKER_27: I've got uh I've got a gen, you're a Gen Zier, right?
33:18
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah, I got a I have a I have a Gen Zier who agrees a bit with my bit with my take.
33:24
SPEAKER_27: I would imagine that Max Reimer probably has a hot take on Christian music.
33:27
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37:31
SPEAKER_27: I had a blast, a text blast that uh came into 651-964-0294.
37:38
SPEAKER_27: And they just said jars of clay was pretty good.
37:40
SPEAKER_27: I have a photograph.
37:42
SPEAKER_27: I know exactly where it is in my drawer.
37:44
SPEAKER_27: If I was at home, I could find it immediately.
37:47
SPEAKER_27: I have a photograph of me with jars of clay.
37:50
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
37:51
SPEAKER_27: That's my listen.
37:52
SPEAKER_27: Like actual jars of clay?
37:53
SPEAKER_27: Actual the band Jars of Clay.
37:55
SPEAKER_27: You were familiar.
37:55
SPEAKER_27: You're familiar, right?
37:57
SPEAKER_26: Yeah.
37:57
SPEAKER_27: I can't remember the song, but I do.
38:00
SPEAKER_27: They came to the uh alternative rock station, a KCXX X103.9, did a performance of for us when they're uh one of their um the big single, I think they had one big when they were kind of a one-hit wonder.
38:11
SPEAKER_27: They had one big alternative rock hit single.
38:13
SPEAKER_27: And uh yeah, I got a fo I got a photograph of me and Jars of Clay.
38:16
SPEAKER_27: And it means so much to you that you have it proudly displayed in your well, I've got a drawer, truth be told, I have a drawer at home that's filled with a whole bunch of photographs from from radio.
38:27
SPEAKER_27: So that's that and I know it's in that, it's in that stack.
38:30
SPEAKER_27: You know, we used to, Isaac, we used to take these things called pictures, and they used to be like on paper, and you can look at it and hold it in your hand.
38:37
SPEAKER_09: Is that like what's in my photos app on my phone?
38:40
SPEAKER_27: Yes, but you actually had it and you could hold it, you could hold it, and you could look at it, and then you didn't want to touch it to get fingerprints on it.
38:46
SPEAKER_27: It were very, very, it was very very special.
38:48
SPEAKER_09: That seems fun.
38:49
SPEAKER_27: Representative Max Reimer.
38:51
SPEAKER_29: Good morning.
38:52
SPEAKER_27: Sorry I meant to cut you off there.
38:54
SPEAKER_27: How you doing, my friend?
38:55
SPEAKER_29: I'm great.
38:55
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, what's going on?
38:56
SPEAKER_29: What's new?
38:57
SPEAKER_29: Just glad to be here.
38:58
SPEAKER_29: Nothing.
38:58
SPEAKER_29: Just uh thanks for coming.
39:00
SPEAKER_29: See you later.
39:00
SPEAKER_29: See, yeah, nothing nothing to uh nothing to contribute today.
39:05
SPEAKER_29: I'm just gonna take a nap over here.
39:06
SPEAKER_27: Did you take in any Christian music when you were growing up?
39:09
SPEAKER_29: Not really.
39:10
SPEAKER_29: No, actually, if my wife were here, she could tell you all sorts of stories about Christian bands and what was in and what was out, but we were pretty secular family when it came to music.
39:19
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
39:20
SPEAKER_27: Again, I just it was the quality of it.
39:22
SPEAKER_27: There were a few bands that I got into, but you know, I just think it was hard to find.
39:26
SPEAKER_27: But I was working in radio at the time too, so I was inundated with all kinds of music.
39:30
SPEAKER_29: I definitely went to like a couple Christian music festivals while I was in college, but that was to like impress girls.
39:36
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, that's true.
39:37
SPEAKER_29: My wife just act like I like the music.
39:41
SPEAKER_27: AK just texted Flood was the jars of clay banger.
39:44
SPEAKER_27: Yes, he's right.
39:45
SPEAKER_27: Yes, that's right.
39:45
SPEAKER_27: That was the song.
39:46
SPEAKER_27: Thank you, AK.
39:48
SPEAKER_27: Why is he he's texting, but he's not here yet.
39:50
SPEAKER_27: Hope he's not doing that while he drives.
39:51
SPEAKER_29: He definitely is.
39:54
SPEAKER_27: So, um, Max, are you have you been keeping up with the with the Clancy, the Lindsay Clancy story at all?
40:00
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, unfortunately.
40:02
SPEAKER_27: A juror's accused of holding up the verdict and will face further questioning from the judge today.
40:09
SPEAKER_27: Uh, this was according to the defense attorney.
40:12
SPEAKER_27: So the juror has been identified by a note from the four-person, and there will be an interview by the judge tomorrow at nine o'clock.
40:19
SPEAKER_27: I don't know what his question is going to be yet, according to Kevin Reddington.
40:23
SPEAKER_27: He's the attorney for Lindsey Clancy, who, of course, uh admitted to murdering her three children, and now the burden has fallen on the defense to prove that she was of sound mind when she committed the murders.
40:37
SPEAKER_27: Otherwise, they can let her off on, you know, reasons of insanity.
40:42
SPEAKER_27: Uh, the latest twist in the dramatic week-long trial, weeks-long trials, captivated the country, ignited a debate over the role of mental illness, postpartum psychosis.
40:52
SPEAKER_27: Um, but it was weird yesterday because the judge pulled the jury in, gave them all an instruction, reiterated the reasonable doubt language.
41:01
SPEAKER_27: But it seems as if the scuttle apparently, and I have a broader point on this, not going to turn turn into true crime like I mentioned, but I want to, there's a broader point to this.
41:10
SPEAKER_27: Uh, it seems as if that Lindsey Clancy's attorney saw the note from the jury going to the judge saying that there was one individual that was that was holding out.
41:20
SPEAKER_27: And he gleaned from that, this was Lindsey Clancy's attorney.
41:24
SPEAKER_27: He's gleaning that that holdout is somebody who's in favor of the prosecution.
41:29
SPEAKER_27: Right.
41:29
SPEAKER_27: And that the rest of the jury is ready to let her off the hook for reasons of insanity.
41:35
SPEAKER_27: I that is that is mind-boggling to me.
41:39
SPEAKER_29: Baffling.
41:40
SPEAKER_27: I know there's nine women on this jury, but the fact that that you have the majority of them, but one who is willing to go and let her off for reasons of uh of insanity.
41:51
SPEAKER_27: I so there is no confirmation of that.
41:53
SPEAKER_27: I mentally I think it would go the other way.
41:55
SPEAKER_27: I would think there would be one holdout.
41:57
SPEAKER_29: It doesn't sound it doesn't seem like that.
41:59
SPEAKER_29: It doesn't seem like that.
42:00
SPEAKER_29: And I don't want to turn this into a true crime show either, but you know, John, there have been moments I would say over the past five years where you really get a breakdown of just how broken we are as a society.
42:13
SPEAKER_29: One of the things that I remember, and we're coming up on the one-year anniversary, is when Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
42:19
SPEAKER_29: And you saw the reaction of certain people to that, basically celebrating that moment that he died.
42:26
SPEAKER_29: This has been another one of those moments because what you are seeing, the discourse around this trial, not that I have been too invested in.
42:36
SPEAKER_29: I think it's repulsive, I think it's disgusting.
42:38
SPEAKER_29: I have three kids myself, and I just can't imagine what goes through your head when you are just like systematically killing your children one by one.
42:48
SPEAKER_29: But the discourse around this trial, it's like, whoa, we are we are done as a society because I am noticing that there are so many women, especially, who are basically making out Lindsay Clancy to be some kind of hero, and her attorney to be some kind of hero in this process because they've gone through postpartum depression or they've had feelings like this before.
43:18
SPEAKER_29: But it's just immensely disturbing to me how basically Lindsay Clancy has admitted to killing her children, her attorney admits that they were that she had killed her children, and then what the facts of the case are so far, at least from what we know, is that she was texting her husband as the act was happening.
43:39
SPEAKER_29: She had pre-planned a lot of this before.
43:43
SPEAKER_29: And so, like, if I were on the jury, those would be the only facts that matter.
43:47
SPEAKER_29: Was it obviously premeditated?
43:49
SPEAKER_29: Yes.
43:50
SPEAKER_29: Did she know what she was doing to me?
43:53
SPEAKER_29: Yes, because she was sitting there texting her husband, sending him out of the house so that she could have a moment to kill.
44:00
SPEAKER_29: All three of her children.
44:01
SPEAKER_29: And what you're seeing from these TikTok influencers, especially women, they're like, well, her husband had something to do with this.
44:10
SPEAKER_29: Her husband looks guilty.
44:12
SPEAKER_29: Her husband has a certain zodiac sign.
44:14
SPEAKER_29: So I know that he's guilty of the murders.
44:18
SPEAKER_29: It's like I saw it referenced as the OJ Simpson trial for crazy white women.
44:23
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, I'm not sure.
44:24
SPEAKER_29: And that's what it feels like.
44:25
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah.
44:25
SPEAKER_27: Uh Ho J.
44:27
SPEAKER_27: With OJ.
44:29
SPEAKER_27: That's what they're that's what they're saying.
44:31
SPEAKER_27: So I think it's horrible.
44:32
SPEAKER_27: This whole thing.
44:33
SPEAKER_27: It is horrible.
44:34
SPEAKER_27: So a couple of things on this.
44:36
SPEAKER_27: Um, first off, this uh just to get into a little bit of of what she's contending, which I don't buy at all, she's claiming this whole thing, I heard voices in my head.
44:47
SPEAKER_27: There's a lot of controversy around when she initially said that was the case, when she didn't.
44:54
SPEAKER_27: It's a whole ridiculous notion because you can't prove that, you can't prove that they exist and you can't prove they didn't exist.
44:59
SPEAKER_27: It's a ridiculous, it's a ridiculous argument.
45:01
SPEAKER_27: Um, in my view, the whole the whole idea that she was of sound mind at the time, because that's what the prosecution has to has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that she was of sound mind when she did this, the fact that she tried to kill herself afterwards, I think that speaks volumes to her being sound of mind.
45:15
SPEAKER_27: She knew what she did after she murdered the kids and then tried to go and kill her, kill herself.
45:20
SPEAKER_27: It's just unfortunate that she wasn't successful.
45:22
SPEAKER_27: But the last thing that I want to say on this is that even if she was dealing with episodics, this is me personally, okay?
45:27
SPEAKER_27: Even if she was dealing with episodic mental issues, I don't care.
45:31
SPEAKER_27: You're a broken individual at this point in time.
45:34
SPEAKER_27: You murdered three innocent children, your own children, mental episodes or not.
45:40
SPEAKER_27: The justice here lies that at the bare minimum she needs to be locked up for the rest of her, rest of her life.
45:46
SPEAKER_27: But the last thing I want to mention on this, and it's something I didn't get into yesterday, Max, when we were talking about it, because I went down a similar road as to what you mentioned.
45:53
SPEAKER_27: I was talking about how this is uh, in my view, sort of an inevitable outcome of how extreme the abortion argument has become.
46:02
SPEAKER_27: It's not to say that everybody who supports abortion would end up being in support of Lindsay Clancy, but I'm of the opinion that the majority of the women and the death cult that is formed around the support of Lindsay Clancy, that those individuals are probably very much in support of abortion.
46:17
SPEAKER_27: But I was listening to the Politics by Faith podcast from Mike Slater, and my father turned me on to this podcast.
46:23
SPEAKER_27: Great, great podcast, by the way.
46:25
SPEAKER_27: He was talking, he's done a couple of different shows based off of this trial.
46:30
SPEAKER_27: And he made a really, really good point that this is a further extension of critical race theory and women being placed into the same minority groups, groups of oppressed that the left likes to go and place other minority groups that they can go and take political advantage of.
46:48
SPEAKER_27: And the same thing rings true for women.
46:49
SPEAKER_27: The left has been pushing this idea that women cannot be responsible for their actions, actions.
46:55
SPEAKER_27: It's all external forces.
46:56
SPEAKER_27: And the left has pushed this critical race theory regarding women and the idea that they can't be held responsible.
47:02
SPEAKER_27: It's the world around them that would have made them do something bad because it's politically expedient for them.
47:08
SPEAKER_27: They know that they can tap into that voting block every single election cycle.
47:13
SPEAKER_27: And the last thing that I'll say is, and I hope this isn't the case, but I can envision a uh a moment in time in the future where I will be talking on this very show, and the debate will suddenly become post-birth abortion.
47:27
SPEAKER_27: I'm just, it's tragic, but I feel like this is where we're heading.
47:30
SPEAKER_27: At some point, we're going to be talking about the validity or, of course, the lack thereof of post-birth abortion.
47:36
SPEAKER_27: So I'll get off my soapbox for a minute and hand it back over to you as the comments roll into the blaster line.
47:41
SPEAKER_29: It's been said, I there's been commentary on social media, and people basically view abortion as like this feminist win that it's truly empowering for women in order to be able to kill your children either in the womb or now outside of the womb.
47:56
SPEAKER_29: And I think what this is doing for the feminist movement, if she is acquitted based on she can't she can't control herself because she wasn't in her right mind because of hormonal imbalances.
48:11
SPEAKER_29: I don't think feminists realize the type of damage that is doing to your credibility as women when that is the case, where you can act just totally irrational, kill your three children, and then get acquitted on postpartum depression.
48:27
SPEAKER_29: And listen, my wife and I, we went through postpartum, she went through postpartum with our with our first boy, Harvey, especially.
48:45
SPEAKER_29: I get it.
48:46
SPEAKER_29: I it it's really hard.
48:47
SPEAKER_29: But when we talk about were you in your right mind, well, was Jeffrey Dahmer in his right mind when he was slaughtering all these people in Wisconsin?
48:57
SPEAKER_29: The answer is probably not, because how can you be to do something that's that's psychotic?
49:03
SPEAKER_27: There's a uh story here from Reason.
49:05
SPEAKER_27: We won't get into all the details because I have a couple of different stories apart from Lindsey Clancy, but they kind of play into what we're talking about here on a Freedom Friday on the John Justice show.
49:15
SPEAKER_27: But a Virginia mom ended up getting a six-month suspended jail sentence because she let her five-year-old walk to the pond.
49:25
SPEAKER_27: So this is a woman, she's got a she's got a she's got a background that is completely on the up and up, right?
49:33
SPEAKER_27: Cares about her child.
49:34
SPEAKER_27: She basically, a mom of five, convicted last week of contributing to the delinquency of a minor, her offense was simply allowing her five-year-old to walk about a mile and a half by himself in their gated community.
49:46
SPEAKER_27: In June, when this uh mom was preparing for the bar, which also happened to be eight months pregnant with her fifth child, she and her then youngest son, Sam, went for a bike ride as they often do.
49:56
SPEAKER_27: Um, they stopped for her son's favorite activity, collecting goose feathers from a path near the community pond.
50:02
SPEAKER_27: And when they got home, he asked if he could walk back and get some more.
50:05
SPEAKER_27: He said yes, it was a short walk along a sidewalk separated from the street by 10 feet of grass.
50:09
SPEAKER_27: Uh, Sam would have to cross two streets with crosswalks, which she said that she's seen him do safely hundreds of times, including six times that morning, she says.
50:17
SPEAKER_27: Off he went and she made some lunch.
50:19
SPEAKER_27: A passerby saw her son, alerted security.
50:23
SPEAKER_27: One of the community security guards escorted the boy back and then proceeded to give the mom an earful.
50:29
SPEAKER_27: Pretty soon there were three cop cars, just as many cops, and a security video and two child protective services parked at Parkinson's door because she got frustrated that the security guard had gone and taken her son and brought it back.
50:41
SPEAKER_27: So, all that is to say that it just fascinates me that here you have a mom who, and you can argue whether or not she should have been letting her child walk at the age five, but clearly they're in a gated community.
50:51
SPEAKER_27: She thought it was safe.
50:52
SPEAKER_27: She doesn't seem to be, you know, a delinquent mother by any stretch.
50:56
SPEAKER_27: And yet in this case, she's getting a six-month suspended jail sentence, had to go to trial over this whole thing.
51:01
SPEAKER_27: And yet here we are talking about a woman who murdered her three children who may end up getting off and walking free after doing so.
51:08
SPEAKER_27: It's it's insane.
51:09
SPEAKER_29: It's absolutely insane.
51:10
SPEAKER_29: And the reason I brought up the Jeffrey Dahmer example before, and there's numerous examples where it's like obviously you can't be in your right mind and commit the crimes that they did.
51:19
SPEAKER_29: Well, it hasn't stopped us in the past, John.
51:21
SPEAKER_29: Nope, from convicting these people.
51:23
SPEAKER_27: Nope.
51:23
SPEAKER_27: Let's get to uh some of your thoughts.
51:25
SPEAKER_27: Got a lot of comments that have been rolling into the blaster line this morning at 651-964-0294.
51:30
SPEAKER_32: Morning, John.
51:30
SPEAKER_32: Holly from Blaine.
51:32
SPEAKER_32: Um, I totally agree with you.
51:34
SPEAKER_32: I think the in regards to the Clancy trial, um, I think the one holdout is the one that is wanting not guilty.
51:42
SPEAKER_32: I feel like everybody else wants to convict.
51:45
SPEAKER_32: Oh wow.
51:45
SPEAKER_32: Um, I mean, you got three men on the jury.
51:48
SPEAKER_32: I cannot see three men um just going for this insanity, please.
51:55
SPEAKER_32: Anyway, that's my thought.
51:56
SPEAKER_29: And you know, and uh see, I was under the impression it was the opposite.
52:00
SPEAKER_27: So I I was too, Max, but again, I get we're we're teetering into that true crime story, but you can't you can't really can't get around it in all of this, right?
52:08
SPEAKER_29: This is the story, right?
52:09
SPEAKER_27: This is the yeah, this is the story right now.
52:11
SPEAKER_27: So um Will Kane yesterday was talking with some with some experts on his show on Fox News, and he made a really good point, and it's something that I was thinking watching what had happened in the courtroom yesterday with the defense attorney.
52:25
SPEAKER_27: Um, there is an argument to be made because the defense attorney apparently is trying to get this one juror replaced.
52:31
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
52:32
SPEAKER_27: I think the defense attorney could be gaming all of this, making it sound like this is um what how many are on the jury total?
52:40
SPEAKER_27: Twelve, twelve, twelve.
52:42
SPEAKER_27: So this is I think he there's there is some thought that the defense attorney for Lindsey Clancy is falsely claiming that he believes this is 11 in favor of a of uh letting her off acquitting and one that wants prosecution because he's hoping to get it replaced and then get a mistrial because it would be mismatched otherwise if they go the other direction.
53:04
SPEAKER_27: So there's some there there is some question on top of the fact that he just acted completely inappropriately in front of the cameras yesterday as they stepped outside the courtroom, that he may be trying to get the public to think that they're trying that this is a group of individuals that are looking to let her go because it favors her client when the reality is it's the other way.
53:24
SPEAKER_27: Because the prosecution is doing what they're supposed to do.
53:26
SPEAKER_27: They're remaining quiet over all of this.
53:28
SPEAKER_27: So um I'm not ready to because I'm with Holly.
53:31
SPEAKER_27: I'm not ready to jump on board with this idea that even there's men on the jury that would have decided to go and and uh and let her off.
53:38
SPEAKER_29: So yeah, and you just you just don't even know.
53:41
SPEAKER_29: I think if there's a mistrial trial, and if friend of the show, James Dickey is listening, he can probably weigh in on some of this stuff.
53:47
SPEAKER_29: Well, he did text.
53:49
SPEAKER_29: It's like you can pull the jury though, right?
53:51
SPEAKER_29: If you got a hung jury or something, you can figure out who's who and where you sit and when there's an inevitable retrial, right?
53:58
SPEAKER_29: It it kind of gives you a sense for how you can go about this case a second time.
54:02
SPEAKER_27: Well, and this is the strangeness of Massachusetts, because James Dickey did text me.
54:06
SPEAKER_27: He said Massachusetts is in the minority of states and requires the prosecution to pro prove to prove sanity beyond a reasonable doubt, which is insane in its own right.
54:17
SPEAKER_27: And I heard commentary like that as well.
54:20
SPEAKER_27: Typically that's not the case in most states, but in Massachusetts, it's the the burden falls on the prosecution to prove sanity beyond a reasonable doubt.
54:28
SPEAKER_27: So I think this is also playing into why people think this is this is you know 11 to let her off and one to to prosecute.
54:37
SPEAKER_29: So the uh that uh listen, uh that does make it difficult, right?
54:42
SPEAKER_29: Because at the end of the day, uh how can you do something this heinous to your own children and not uh be a little bit insane?
54:52
SPEAKER_29: You know, if you have to prove sanity, I don't know what statutory definition there is in Massachusetts for sanity, but what I would just point back to is the facts of the case are that she premeditated this, she sent her husband out of the home for this, she answered a call and sounded normal as she was in the middle of this.
55:12
SPEAKER_29: She missed the call and then called the person back.
55:15
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, yeah.
55:16
SPEAKER_29: There's like all the Google searches beforehand.
55:20
SPEAKER_29: I'm I'm sorry.
55:20
SPEAKER_29: I this would be the most for me as a juror, and this is probably why I haven't been on jury duty.
55:25
SPEAKER_29: This this is the most open and shut and premeditated murder case that I could possibly imagine.
55:30
SPEAKER_27: And I simply do not understand those that think otherwise.
55:33
SPEAKER_27: I mean, it's it's it's all right.
55:35
SPEAKER_29: I feel like we're looking at living in a dip it's the Charlie Kirk thing again, John.
55:40
SPEAKER_29: It's that phenomenon.
55:41
SPEAKER_29: I know we're just living in two different worlds right now.
55:44
SPEAKER_27: All right, let's run through some uh blasts that have rolled into the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
55:50
SPEAKER_19: Good morning, John.
55:51
SPEAKER_19: It's Victor here.
55:52
SPEAKER_19: Um, like I said yesterday, it's the case has questioned if you take the whole postpartum out of it.
56:04
SPEAKER_27: But you hold on, let me just stop.
56:06
SPEAKER_27: But you can't.
56:07
SPEAKER_27: I mean, you can anyway, okay.
56:09
SPEAKER_27: Let me just I'll let him continue.
56:10
SPEAKER_19: The timeline that the prosecution presented doesn't make any sense.
56:15
SPEAKER_19: The prosecution is saying the husband was gone for 20 minutes.
56:19
SPEAKER_27: Okay, I'm stopping this from Victor, just because I it I'm not sure I'm interested in.
56:25
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I want to finish this up.
56:27
SPEAKER_27: All right, all right.
56:27
SPEAKER_27: Let me well, let me go.
56:28
SPEAKER_27: Let me just for the sake of argument.
56:30
SPEAKER_27: Let's reset.
56:30
SPEAKER_27: I'll play it.
56:31
SPEAKER_27: Sorry.
56:31
SPEAKER_27: That's the case.
56:31
SPEAKER_27: No, no, it's okay.
56:32
SPEAKER_27: He called yesterday.
56:33
SPEAKER_27: I just I have a hard time with this because he's going down the road of saying that she didn't even do it, and the prosecution isn't even saying that.
56:42
SPEAKER_27: She admitted that she did it.
56:44
SPEAKER_27: There's nothing to do with nothing to do with that.
56:46
SPEAKER_27: But I'll go ahead and play the entirety of Victor's comments.
56:48
SPEAKER_19: Good morning, comments, Victor here.
56:50
SPEAKER_19: Um, like I said yesterday, it's the case has questioned if you take the whole out of it.
57:02
SPEAKER_19: The timeline that the prosecution presented doesn't make any sense.
57:07
SPEAKER_19: The prosecution is saying the husband was gone for 20 minutes.
57:11
SPEAKER_19: It took her six minutes per child to kill the children.
57:15
SPEAKER_19: That's 18 minutes.
57:17
SPEAKER_19: She then, in two minutes, let her wrist, took a bunch more pills, launched herself out the window.
57:26
SPEAKER_27: But let me just let me just stop I'll play the rest of it really quick.
57:29
SPEAKER_27: That's a hundred percent doable.
57:32
SPEAKER_27: I was just having a conversation before the show started with Isaac.
57:37
SPEAKER_27: Um we were playing, we were playing the the AI overlords before the show started, and I was I was uh putting in some drops between songs and and had time to few things out.
57:47
SPEAKER_27: As somebody who for 30 years has basically uh been entrenched in time, because it's all about time when you're doing radio.
57:56
SPEAKER_27: It's all in the concept of time and how long things take take.
58:01
SPEAKER_27: Two minutes to slit your wrist, take pills, and then try to jump out the window.
58:05
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, you can absolutely do that.
58:07
SPEAKER_27: You can do that in you can do that in a minute if you wanted.
58:09
SPEAKER_27: So let me finish his comments.
58:11
SPEAKER_19: And then somehow the her body temperature was down to 82 degrees within that two minutes that she did everything else before the husband came home.
58:21
SPEAKER_19: The timeline doesn't make sense.
58:24
SPEAKER_19: Those are the questions.
58:26
SPEAKER_19: It has nothing to do with the postpartum.
58:29
SPEAKER_19: The timeline makes no sense.
58:31
SPEAKER_27: He needs to have a whole other trial because the truth they're not even arguing any of this in the uh yeah, in the in the courtroom.
58:36
SPEAKER_29: See, okay.
58:37
SPEAKER_29: And Victor, I appreciate I appreciate you calling in and laying some of that out.
58:43
SPEAKER_29: I I don't know all the facts of this case, I just know what has been widely reported.
58:49
SPEAKER_29: And what's been widely reported is that Lindsay Clancy admitted to killing her children.
58:54
SPEAKER_29: Her attorney does not deny that she killed her children, and then the prosecution, I think there is a conversation to be had that have they done the best job?
59:04
SPEAKER_29: Have they have they laid out a clear path to why you need to convict Lindsay Clancy of first degree murder?
59:10
SPEAKER_29: I think there are questions there, but at the end of the day, what is your alternative theory?
59:16
SPEAKER_29: Are you really indulging this idea that the husband have you have you read the the husband's 911 transcripts or listened to any of the little recordings that they have of them?
59:30
SPEAKER_29: There's just if your suggestion is that Patrick Clancy came back, killed all of his children, and then like somehow orchestrated this grand conspiracy, I I don't think the facts support that.
59:44
SPEAKER_29: And to me, and this is probably be being me like just tired of the discourse about it.
59:51
SPEAKER_29: Frankly, I think the people who have put that out there sound psychotic.
59:55
SPEAKER_29: And maybe if we find out one day that Patrick Clancy did it, I got my work bag in front of me, I will eat that work bag.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_29: Sure.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_29: All right.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_29: But like the facts do not support that.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_29: And they're not the defense is not even denying that she killed her children.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_09: All right.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_09: If the idea is that Patrick killed the kids, I don't understand.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_09: Someone I made the mistake of going on TikTok the other day.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that was a mistake.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_27: Oh, wait, hold on, hold on.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_27: I'm gonna stop you just real quick, just because you're here.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_27: Um, just two things real quick.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_27: Uh, while you're here, I don't want to get too far from Victor's um blast.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_27: But I got another text that came in and just said this.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_27: Tell Victor to get off the conspiracy theory TikTok.
1:00:32
SPEAKER_27: The defense stipulated she killed her kid, she killed her kids.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_27: There is no debate here.
1:00:37
SPEAKER_27: They went on to say, unfortunately, regarding a mistrial, right?
1:00:41
SPEAKER_27: The criminal trial process, knowledge and experience lost in the fog of the second and third years of law school 15 years ago.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_27: Um, it was James Dickey who made the comment.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_27: He doesn't know how a retrial would end up going, but I wanted to add in James Dickey's comments regarding TikTok and the conspiracy, Isaac.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_09: If if it was Patrick that killed the kids, I don't understand.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_09: You have to assume that he I mean, he called 911 to save Lindsay's life, right?
1:01:06
SPEAKER_09: After she jumped out the window, or whatever.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_09: If you're going down the conspiracy theory that Patrick pushed her out the window or something.
1:01:13
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
1:01:14
SPEAKER_09: I saw this thing on Dead Man tells no tales.
1:01:17
SPEAKER_09: Like, why would he stay with her, uh, try to like save her life, call 911 if he was just gonna turn around and be like, oh, well, actually, I was the one that killed the kids, but I'm trying to try to like convince her that she killed the kids and hope that she doesn't remember any of this when she wakes up.
1:01:35
SPEAKER_09: Like, it it doesn't make any sense to me.
1:01:37
SPEAKER_27: The social contagion component of this is so it's so incredibly stark to see.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_27: It's horrifying.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_27: Uh, let's bring in uh Grace Keating, Center of the American Experiment, who's kind of walked into a firestorm of controversy surrounding the Lindsay Clancy case.
1:01:50
SPEAKER_27: Good morning, uh Grace.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_27: How are we doing this morning?
1:01:52
SPEAKER_27: Oh, hold on.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_27: There we go.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_30: Good morning.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_30: I'm good.
1:01:56
SPEAKER_30: I'm I'm feeling a little bummed out having walked into this this discussion of the trial.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_30: I don't know.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_30: I really have.
1:02:04
SPEAKER_30: I um I know kind of the facts of the case.
1:02:07
SPEAKER_30: I used to kind of partake in true crime stuff more.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_30: And um I stopped for cases like this one, um, where it's it's such a it's such a devastating and heartbreaking thing to follow and be invested in.
1:02:25
SPEAKER_30: And I think when you, you know, go the true crime route, not that that's what we're doing here today.
1:02:29
SPEAKER_30: Again, this is new, so this is different.
1:02:31
SPEAKER_30: But for me personally, I stopped sort of um analyzing cases in that way because I felt myself getting kind of detached from the fact that, you know, these are real people that this happened to.
1:02:41
SPEAKER_30: I think you kind of um lose some of that humanity when you just go fully analytical.
1:02:46
SPEAKER_30: Um and and and so some of the cases that I was was listening to in the in these, you know, true crime shows, I um it w it just became too much for me.
1:02:55
SPEAKER_30: Um and and a case exactly like this one, you know, where it's it's just so it's so heartbreaking, it's so devastating.
1:03:02
SPEAKER_30: I don't need to um spend more of my brain on it than that.
1:03:09
SPEAKER_27: Want to go to uh with that, do a lot of things.
1:03:11
SPEAKER_30: Not to be like a huge downer about this.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_30: Like I get why people are so invested.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_30: No, I but for me, I've been keeping distance.
1:03:17
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, no, and and I don't blame you.
1:03:19
SPEAKER_27: It's difficult, but it this has listened I had avoided talking about this on the on the show.
1:03:25
SPEAKER_27: Um I say avoid is not the right word, it's just there was other things that we were talking about.
1:03:29
SPEAKER_27: And you know, until it becomes a story that's more socially relevant to what we're talking about on a daily basis, um, I just hadn't been speaking of it.
1:03:38
SPEAKER_27: But it's but it was clear to me that suddenly now this was certainly going beyond Lindsay Clancy, and this was another example of what's happening in our society right now, what's happening in terms of the propaganda that, in my opinion, is brainwashing uh individuals.
1:03:54
SPEAKER_27: And as I mentioned from that uh from last hour in that podcast and Mike Slater that I was listening to, he made a great point.
1:04:00
SPEAKER_27: This is by extension your critical race theory because the left has taken women and they've turned them into an oppressed group of individuals.
1:04:07
SPEAKER_27: And because of that, because they can seek political advantage off of that and try to win elections, they've already exploited it when it comes to abortion.
1:04:15
SPEAKER_27: Now they have a new angle with this, and this is an extension of that, that women are not responsible for their actions.
1:04:21
SPEAKER_27: If this were a woman who they found out supported Trump, she already would have been convicted.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_27: If this was a man, she already would have been convicted, right?
1:04:31
SPEAKER_27: That's just the world that we live in right now.
1:04:33
SPEAKER_27: None of it is serving justice at all for these three children that that ended up losing their losing their lives.
1:04:38
SPEAKER_29: What if it what if it wasn't her own children?
1:04:41
SPEAKER_29: What if she went crazy due to postpartum and she killed your children?
1:04:44
SPEAKER_29: Right.
1:04:45
SPEAKER_29: Are we treating this case the same way?
1:04:47
SPEAKER_29: I don't I don't think we are.
1:04:49
SPEAKER_09: I don't think we are either.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_09: Uh quick fact check, too, just to go back to the blast.
1:04:53
SPEAKER_09: Uh the prosecution is claiming that Patrick was out of the house for 45 minutes.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_09: Okay, 20 minutes.
1:04:57
SPEAKER_28: Okay, gotcha.
1:04:58
SPEAKER_09: 5 15 to 6 p.m.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_28: Okay, so I'm sure Victor has completely changed his view now.
1:05:01
SPEAKER_09: Correct.
1:05:02
SPEAKER_28: I'm not holding out any hope.
1:05:05
SPEAKER_04: The whole female civil rights movement has been this entire time about no accountability, no recourse for their actions, to not have to actually live on the same playing field as everybody else.
1:05:19
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you can look at this Lindsay Clancy case that we're talking about.
1:05:23
SPEAKER_04: Excuses for murder at this point.
1:05:25
SPEAKER_04: Gloria Steinem died.
1:05:27
SPEAKER_04: And she's been fighting for women's rights this entire time.
1:05:31
SPEAKER_04: At some point over the last 50 years, did you get what you wanted?
1:05:36
SPEAKER_04: Where was the victory lap?
1:05:38
SPEAKER_04: Or are you asking for more and more excuses for female behavior and lack of female accountability?
1:05:45
SPEAKER_04: Up until she died, she was still screaming for women's rights.
1:05:49
SPEAKER_04: It's either a complete five or complete non fife.
1:05:53
SPEAKER_27: Well, as I mentioned before, and it might be a harsh view, I I I don't care what her mental state was, it doesn't matter to me.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_27: It really doesn't.
1:06:00
SPEAKER_27: If she was hearing voices in her head, she was hearing voices uh in her head.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_27: In terms of the chemicals that she might have been taking and the drugs she might have been taking, she chose to go and uh and take those.
1:06:09
SPEAKER_27: I'm sure that there are recommendations there.
1:06:11
SPEAKER_27: But the fact that she was able to do what she did to three innocent lives and then had the wherewithal to know that she was wrong to the point where she was going to kill herself.
1:06:19
SPEAKER_27: I mean, it's said and done.
1:06:20
SPEAKER_27: I don't, I don't personally give a rip if she was dealing with psychosis or not.
1:06:25
SPEAKER_27: And with that, let me just share this one story and then we'll move over to some other issues as we await the arrival.
1:06:29
SPEAKER_27: Here we're already into hour two on the uh John Justice show, Grace Keating, Max Reimer joining us in studio.
1:06:35
SPEAKER_27: But um are is anybody in the room familiar with the story of Constance Fisher?
1:06:41
SPEAKER_27: No?
1:06:41
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_27: So this goes back a long time, but I'll just do the short version of this.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_27: So this goes back to 1954.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_27: A 24-year-old housewife.
1:06:52
SPEAKER_27: She drowned her first three children in the bathtub of her rural main home.
1:06:57
SPEAKER_27: Following the drowning, she attempted suicide by consuming a bottle of tar shampoo and then hiding under the bed.
1:07:03
SPEAKER_27: Her husband came home, found the children, found her.
1:07:07
SPEAKER_27: She was found guilty, not guilty by reason of insanity, and then committed to the Augusta State Hospital.
1:07:13
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_27: After spending five years in the psychiatric institution, the medical uh officials, professionals declared her cured.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_27: She was set to be released in 1959.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_27: Her husband fought to get her out of the menstrual institution.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_27: She returned home to her husband.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_27: The couple went on to have three more children.
1:07:36
SPEAKER_27: Dude.
1:07:37
SPEAKER_27: June 30th, 1966.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_27: Her husband returned home from work to discover that she had again drowned their three youngest children, six, four, and nine months old.
1:07:49
SPEAKER_27: Six years, four years, and nine months old in the bathtub.
1:07:53
SPEAKER_27: She once again was deemed unfit to stand trial due to her mental state and was recommitted to the hospital in Augusta indefinitely.
1:08:01
SPEAKER_27: In October 1st of 1973, she walked off the grounds of the psychiatric hospital.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_27: She died after falling or jumping into the nearby river.
1:08:09
SPEAKER_27: Her body was recovered days later.
1:08:12
SPEAKER_27: I mean, in the wake of what we're seeing with this Lindsay Clancy story, this is I I this again goes back to why I was saying before.
1:08:22
SPEAKER_27: You know, this woman was clearly broken, even went to a mental institution, husband fought for her, did exactly the same thing again.
1:08:30
SPEAKER_27: This is partly why I just I have no I sympathy is not the right word, but in terms of Lindsay Clancy's mental state, I just I just don't care.
1:08:38
SPEAKER_30: And what really concerns me about this this case and this trial is not just that it's it's kind of peeling back the curtain on how yes, like broken we are as a society, how far some you know women have gone off the deep end with cases like this, but also what the consequences of the trial are going to be if she is let off because of her mental state.
1:08:57
SPEAKER_30: What message is that sending to people, young people, and especially women?
1:09:03
SPEAKER_30: To me, that says if you are struggling if you're struggling mentally with anything, your actions don't matter.
1:09:10
SPEAKER_30: You can be forgiven for anything and everything.
1:09:12
SPEAKER_30: What kind of society are we going to have when a whole generation learns that lesson?
1:09:17
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, we're not gonna have a society.
1:09:19
SPEAKER_27: I mean, it's just we may not know.
1:09:20
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, we we we we we may not.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_27: I mean, it was heading, it was heading this direction.
1:09:25
SPEAKER_27: And let me want to back up further.
1:09:28
SPEAKER_27: I talked a little bit about this yesterday, and we were uh we went back into the Wayback Machine talking about Columbia House.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_27: Uh Max, are you familiar?
1:09:34
SPEAKER_27: Were you familiar with Columbia House at all?
1:09:36
SPEAKER_27: And the okay, so I don't need to go down that road again.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_27: Uh Columbia House was a subscription service back in the eight in the in the 70s and 80s, and then in the 90s, where you could subscribe and pay a penny a month and get all the music you wanted to get, but it was all kind of a big scam.
1:09:50
SPEAKER_27: They just folded, right?
1:09:52
SPEAKER_29: But we were talking about Yes, I I did I did hear about the story.
1:09:55
SPEAKER_29: Yeah.
1:09:56
SPEAKER_27: So I I bring it up because what we're seeing right now is not anything new.
1:10:02
SPEAKER_27: You mentioned the O.J.
1:10:03
SPEAKER_27: Simpson case.
1:10:04
SPEAKER_27: I listened to the almost the entirety of the trial when it was going on, and I was doing uh home inspections and I was a public real estate auctioneer in Los Angeles.
1:10:13
SPEAKER_27: I saw the slow speed chase from the balcony of my apartment.
1:10:17
SPEAKER_27: The freeway that OJ was on was right up the road from where I lived, and I could track the helicopters as they were going by.
1:10:24
SPEAKER_27: But I remember back then the conversations that I was having with friends and co-workers who didn't believe that OJ did it, right?
1:10:32
SPEAKER_27: For a lot of the same reasons.
1:10:33
SPEAKER_27: And we know now the jury totally let them off the hook.
1:10:35
SPEAKER_27: I mean, they've admitted, they had admitted that they let him go free for retribution for what had happened to Rodney King.
1:10:42
SPEAKER_27: That's not even a secret anymore.
1:10:44
SPEAKER_27: But it used to be that these conversations and these views were kind of resigned to the people around you.
1:10:49
SPEAKER_27: And your friends and family would kind of would kind of check you in that moment in time if you felt differently.
1:10:54
SPEAKER_27: But it didn't go any, it didn't go any further than that.
1:10:56
SPEAKER_29: Now everyone's got a podcast.
1:10:57
SPEAKER_27: It didn't turn it and it didn't turn into like a political issue.
1:11:00
SPEAKER_27: It didn't, it didn't turn into something that was divisive and consuming the country.
1:11:04
SPEAKER_27: And then, you know, to the point where we are now on the show talking about it because of the larger ramifications of the discourse that we're dealing with, because it goes far beyond this woman just murdering her children.
1:11:16
SPEAKER_27: It goes down to how feminism has basically eroded into nothing to where women just can't be held accountable.
1:11:23
SPEAKER_27: Um, but back in the day, these were conversations that we just had amongst ourselves, and that's usually where it died.
1:11:28
SPEAKER_27: And, you know, this isn't a screed against against the internet or social media.
1:11:33
SPEAKER_27: I don't really have a larger point beyond that.
1:11:35
SPEAKER_27: But this is part of the reason why we're here.
1:11:37
SPEAKER_27: It's because these groups form, the groupthink forms, that it's hard to go and escape it.
1:11:43
SPEAKER_27: I will just go ahead, Grace.
1:11:45
SPEAKER_30: Very quickly, I will just say I go a different route.
1:11:47
SPEAKER_30: This case has been like the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
1:11:50
SPEAKER_30: I think we need to pull the plug on all social media.
1:11:53
SPEAKER_30: It is toxic, it is killing us.
1:11:55
SPEAKER_30: This is that that's that's my hot take on this this whole case.
1:11:58
SPEAKER_29: We say this as we live stream on all social media.
1:12:00
SPEAKER_29: Right?
1:12:01
SPEAKER_29: I mean, it's a I know, I know, I know, no, she has a point.
1:12:05
SPEAKER_30: But I would At what point does the bad outweigh the good, though?
1:12:08
SPEAKER_30: I mean, truly.
1:12:08
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, for sure.
1:12:10
SPEAKER_29: I mean, like, I will just say like it's kind of the Candace Owens phenomenon here where I've just been I've become less interested in conspiracy theories over the past decade because everything, because everyone's got a platform now, everything has become a conspiracy theory.
1:12:26
SPEAKER_29: And if everything's a conspiracy theory, then nothing is.
1:12:31
SPEAKER_27: Well, I think you know, I think you kind of hit the nail on the head of why so much of this stuff gets perpetuated the the way that it doesn't.
1:12:38
SPEAKER_29: For that very for that very, we're giving it clicks, we're talking about all the alternative theories out there.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_29: But yeah, at the end of the day, sometimes the facts that are right in front of you are actually the right and true facts about a case.
1:12:51
SPEAKER_27: Well, and and um, and it is an incredible, I mean, listen, it's devastating, but uh for me, it's it is fascinating on a number of different levels, and it is very indicative of where society is right now.
1:13:04
SPEAKER_27: And unfortunately, we kind of have to face these issues because they are becoming political.
1:13:09
SPEAKER_27: This is gonna shape elections.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_27: This will be a part of the midterms for as much as people don't like it or not.
1:13:14
SPEAKER_27: You don't think for a second that there aren't those on the left that is what that are watching what's happening right now in this Lindsay Clancy trial.
1:13:21
SPEAKER_27: They're seeing these groups of this death cult, this death cult of women that are defending her.
1:13:26
SPEAKER_27: And don't think for a second that there aren't strategists sitting off to the side going, how can we go and exploit this?
1:13:31
SPEAKER_27: I have a story later on today that we'll tell that we'll get into, talking about how when it comes to um flock cameras and data centers, there are well-funded left-wing organizations on top of China, also working with China, that's perpetuating all this negativity on these issues that have crossed party lines.
1:13:50
SPEAKER_27: Flock cameras and data centers, there's no party exclusivity on the individuals that are against that.
1:13:55
SPEAKER_27: And unfortunately, a lot of individuals have their very legitimate views on the issues.
1:14:01
SPEAKER_27: But at the same time, those stories are being amplified by those that want to take political advantage of what those controversies can go and uh and bring.
1:14:12
SPEAKER_27: So you just you cannot avoid talking about the social implications of these uh of these particular of these particular stories.
1:14:19
SPEAKER_29: I have a dissenting view on that.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_29: Go for it.
1:14:22
SPEAKER_29: Well, are we gonna get into it?
1:14:24
SPEAKER_29: Are we gonna get into flocks uh flock cameras?
1:14:26
SPEAKER_27: Oh no, no, hold up, hold up, hold on, hold off on it, hold up, hold off on that because we're not we're not quite we're not quite there.
1:14:30
SPEAKER_27: We're not we're not quite there yet.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_27: So all right.
1:14:32
SPEAKER_27: Order of operations.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I know, I know.
1:14:34
SPEAKER_27: Just kind of we're going off the going off the rails here on the Freedom Friday, but it's all good.
1:14:37
SPEAKER_27: Speaking of going off the rails, AK Kamara has joined us on the comfy couch here at the center of the American Experiment uh studio.
1:14:44
SPEAKER_27: Have you been listening on the drive-in?
1:14:45
SPEAKER_27: And do you have any comments that you would like to share?
1:14:49
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, um, good morning, by the way.
1:14:51
SPEAKER_05: Good morning, good morning.
1:14:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, on the way in, a couple of different points.
1:14:55
SPEAKER_05: So I think that you guys both kind of touched on it, uh, actually all three of you did, that there's this like weird depravity that's kind of ingrained into the story.
1:15:06
SPEAKER_05: I personally think it has a lot more to do with our kind of fall from our core base of having like Christian values and Christian beliefs.
1:15:16
SPEAKER_05: And I actually do think that there's demonic influence that is clearly abundant here.
1:15:22
SPEAKER_05: Uh here's the second thing to your point, though, John Um, I think a lot of people don't really know how to deal with like severe mental illness.
1:15:30
SPEAKER_05: They kind of like uh maybe take a Hollywood version or view of what mental illness looks like.
1:15:37
SPEAKER_05: But as someone who has a mother who suffered from severe depression and a sister who was schizophrenic, I think the idea that you're not responsible for your actions because you are suffering from mental illness is insane.
1:15:52
SPEAKER_05: It's just the way that we like other eyes or try and explain these acts.
1:15:56
SPEAKER_05: My sister heard voices, she never murdered anyone.
1:16:00
SPEAKER_05: So there is 100% a distinction.
1:16:03
SPEAKER_05: And I think what's even more fascinating when it comes to this case is that we have this tendency to want to explain away the unexplainable when it's just it's really clear, it's in front of us.
1:16:15
SPEAKER_05: The question is, does evil exist?
1:16:19
SPEAKER_05: To me, the answer is yes.
1:16:21
SPEAKER_05: Evil exists, whether that is demonic influence or undemonic, we can have that kind of you know theological conversation.
1:16:29
SPEAKER_05: But does evil exist?
1:16:31
SPEAKER_05: And when the answer is yes, that's the reason why people do evil things.
1:16:36
SPEAKER_05: It's not because they, you know, had a psychotic break or anything like that.
1:16:40
SPEAKER_05: I think that's a way to explain it away because you are still responsible for your actions.
1:16:45
SPEAKER_05: And so I'm hopeful that maybe the juror holdout was one of them that wanted to go with um, say guilty uh on first degree murder, and that the other jurors want to be able to have like manslaughter, maybe, or you know, a lesser charge even second degree.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_05: But also one last point there is not there is an option, but I don't think it's likely that she would basically be found not guilty.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_05: I think really what it's pulling for is that she is guilty but has the insanity plea, which means that she would be committed to a mental health facility.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_05: So she's not gonna be necessarily out there walking around on the street unless it was like again, not guilty on all charges, which I think is less likely.
1:17:30
SPEAKER_05: But you know, I'm an optimist.
1:17:32
SPEAKER_05: I'm an optimist.
1:17:33
SPEAKER_29: But my understanding is even if you're found not guilty by a reason of mental insanity, is you are still committed to an institution.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, I I don't know if that's true.
1:17:42
SPEAKER_29: I it's my understanding.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_05: Well, it's it's it's well, technically, uh again, because the prosecution and the defense are on the same page that she killed her kids, right?
1:17:52
SPEAKER_05: So it's not a question of you know Victor saying, like, oh, they're they're gonna say not guilty because you know the the husband did it, the Patrick Calancey did it.
1:18:02
SPEAKER_05: I think that it's more than anything if she's found not guilty by reason of mental whatever.
1:18:08
SPEAKER_05: Like I'm not a lawyer, so uh uh shout out to James Zicke, sorry for for butchering this.
1:18:12
SPEAKER_05: But if she is not convicted for first degree murder, second, or even manslaughter, um, that she still would be guilty of murdering her kids, but just she has mental insanity.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_05: So at the end of the day, maybe she spends the rest of her life in a mental health facility, but uh, you know, I I just think that that's my my little bit of optimism.
1:18:32
SPEAKER_05: I don't think she's gonna be walking around on the street, even though there are crazy people on TikTok that think that she should.
1:18:37
SPEAKER_27: Well, and and we have a systemic problem in the country of people that are not willing to change their views or admit when they're wrong.
1:18:44
SPEAKER_27: And that's and it's true.
1:18:46
SPEAKER_27: I it's just there's there are so many individuals, even when you are presented with an abundance of facts that push back against whatever your claim is, uh too many individuals.
1:18:56
SPEAKER_27: I think nine times out of ten, the individual still refuses to go and give up whatever belief they have dug their heels in on.
1:19:03
SPEAKER_27: And it's a it's a problem across multiple issues, not just uh not just this one.
1:19:07
SPEAKER_27: All right, and this is Freedom Friday.
1:19:08
SPEAKER_27: I do have some lighter things of note this morning, guys.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_27: I just want to thank you all for that.
1:19:12
SPEAKER_27: I know.
1:19:13
SPEAKER_27: I can see Grace is like Fredo.
1:19:15
SPEAKER_27: What have I what have I walked into this morning?
1:19:17
SPEAKER_27: Where's Catherine?
1:19:19
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1:20:14
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1:20:16
SPEAKER_27: So we'll get to details on that.
1:20:17
SPEAKER_27: And we have an update on the mass shooting that took place in uh downtown Minneapolis, including what we all kind of suspected, and that was this individual who was the shooter, who was now dead, was a part of the Revolving Door criminality, was not prosecuted on previous charges by Scary Moriarty, probably should not have been on the streets, and maybe lives could have been saved and officers couldn't have been injured if Scary Moriarty would just do her damn job, but she's incapable of doing that because she is a religious social justice zealot.
1:20:48
SPEAKER_27: That's all coming up here on the John Justice Show on a Freedom Friday.
1:20:52
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1:20:57
SPEAKER_30: I don't think any other state has this besides Minnesota, where okay, number one, you can vouch for up to eight people.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:21:02
SPEAKER_30: But then we also have same-day election uh registration, and we don't have provisional ballots.
1:21:07
SPEAKER_30: So those elements all combine together.
1:21:09
SPEAKER_30: You don't other states that have same-day voter registration have a provisional ballot, and so when you register to vote, typically if you're doing it in advance, you know, your your registration is checked so that when you actually go to you know vote on election day, you've been vetted by the state in some way.
1:21:23
SPEAKER_30: Um but when you have same-day registration, obviously there's not time for that to happen.
1:21:27
SPEAKER_30: And so your vote gets counted immediately.
1:21:29
SPEAKER_30: It gets put into the pool and it's never coming back out.
1:21:31
SPEAKER_30: Other states, they will have same-day registrants use a what's called a provisional ballot.
1:21:36
SPEAKER_30: And so, you know, they they cast their vote, but it's set off aside, and it's not actually added into the mix until their registration has been verified, which makes sense.
1:21:44
SPEAKER_30: It's you know, Minnesota doesn't have that.
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1:21:58
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1:21:59
SPEAKER_01: Black and Hispanic students in Mississippi perform better in reading and math than black and Hispanic students in Minnesota.
1:22:06
SPEAKER_01: And Mississippi spends thousands of dollars less per student than Minnesota.
1:22:10
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1:22:16
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1:22:17
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1:22:28
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1:22:30
SPEAKER_36: He posted on X that he also did some of these data requests.
1:22:34
SPEAKER_36: And he was told that in St.
1:22:35
SPEAKER_36: Louis County, which is the home of Duluth, 737 people registered to vote through vouching.
1:22:42
SPEAKER_36: 737.
1:22:44
SPEAKER_36: So let's go back to the 2022 election really quick just to see if we can get a clear example of okay, will that number of people vouching ever really matter?
1:22:53
SPEAKER_36: It seems like a small number.
1:22:55
SPEAKER_36: Well, in 2022, in the Cottage Grove Hastings area, Democrat Judy Seeburger won her state Senate election by 321 votes.
1:23:04
SPEAKER_36: As our listeners may remember, the Democrats held the Senate that year by one seat.
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1:24:17
SPEAKER_27: We got a text message that came in.
1:24:18
SPEAKER_27: Hey John, you mentioned a religious political podcast your dad and you listened to.
1:24:22
SPEAKER_27: Can you provide the name again?
1:24:23
SPEAKER_27: Thanks much, Dean.
1:24:24
SPEAKER_27: Uh yeah, it's the um uh Politics by Faith with Mike uh Mike Slater.
1:24:29
SPEAKER_27: Uh I believe he hosts a radio show.
1:24:30
SPEAKER_27: I have no idea where.
1:24:32
SPEAKER_27: Um, but basically he does between 15 and 20 minute podcasts on an almost daily basis and uh just fantastic uh commentary.
1:24:38
SPEAKER_27: And I've learned uh I learned a ton.
1:24:40
SPEAKER_27: And as I mentioned, his most latest one was talking about what we were uh discussing on the show with the Lindsay uh Clancy case, and he was bringing in, and he's absolutely right, I could I hadn't really thought about this, uh, how um critical race theory has also, not just with minority groups that the left can take advantage of, they've also gone and turned women into a protected group as well.
1:25:00
SPEAKER_27: It's by extension.
1:25:01
SPEAKER_27: And what we're seeing with these individuals that are defending Lindsey Clancy, I mean, it's also a byproduct of women who have gone through the you know the classic, the classic indoctrination within the universities and the and the and and uh grade school levels as well.
1:25:15
SPEAKER_27: And so it's just all a it all a byproduct of that, too.
1:25:18
SPEAKER_27: So again, um, politics by faith, Mike Slater.
1:25:21
SPEAKER_27: So federal prosecutors charging an ICE agent with making false statements in connection with the shooting operation, uh, with a shooting during Operation Metro Surge.
1:25:29
SPEAKER_27: Ice Agent Christian Castro also facing state charges for the January 14th shooting of Julio Cesar Sosis Celis in North Minneapolis.
1:25:38
SPEAKER_27: There was some confusion over this when the story broke yesterday.
1:25:41
SPEAKER_27: It was coming from an anonymous AP source.
1:25:43
SPEAKER_27: AK, did you see this as well when it first broke?
1:25:46
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
1:25:46
SPEAKER_27: He subsequently now has been arrested on federal charges for his alleged actions tied to the shooting of the Venezuelan illegal immigrant in North Minneapolis.
1:25:57
SPEAKER_27: Um the left's version of this now is that um this is a lesser charge than he would have received if they had extradited him here to Minnesota, as Scary Moriarty and Thief Ellison were trying to do.
1:26:12
SPEAKER_27: Moriarty did say we expect that he will appear in federal court in Texas.
1:26:16
SPEAKER_27: A date will be set for him to appear in federal court in Minnesota, despite Governor Abbott's best efforts to shield Mr.
1:26:23
SPEAKER_27: Castro, we will see him soon.
1:26:25
SPEAKER_27: No, they were just trying to politically exploit it by having him extradited here.
1:26:29
SPEAKER_27: But as I said all along, if there was a reason to arrest this individual, if he did make false statements, he was being investigated by the DOJ, and now he's been rearrested.
1:26:38
SPEAKER_27: AK, did you have further thoughts on this?
1:26:40
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, you hit the nail on the head.
1:26:43
SPEAKER_05: Mary Moriarty and all of the DFL want to continually drag up, and you've pointed this out numerous times in the past couple of weeks, John, Operation Metro Surge.
1:26:52
SPEAKER_05: Because it's like basically the only thing they feel they can hang around the neck of Republicans.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_05: And so, yeah, every opportunity they get, they're trying to just bring it back up.
1:27:03
SPEAKER_05: And you're seeing like New York Times when they mention this horrifying mass shooting event that happened here in Minneapolis, they ended it with like Minneapolis, the city that was roiled by Operation Metro Surge, which you know.
1:27:17
SPEAKER_05: Alex Predi and Renee Good were killed, right?
1:27:20
SPEAKER_05: So that's 100%.
1:27:22
SPEAKER_05: But from the beginning, uh the DOJ and DHS, when stories weren't matching up, they took the action that they felt was necessary, and it has nothing to do with the overall operation.
1:27:36
SPEAKER_05: And so I think whether or not this guy gets convicted and specifically what he gets convicted for is completely separate than Operation Metro Surgeon General.
1:27:46
SPEAKER_29: Seems like a bad dude, the ICE agent.
1:27:48
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, seems like uh they probably got this one right.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_29: And it my understanding is he was also trying to flee with his girlfriend to Mexico as well.
1:27:57
SPEAKER_29: Is his he was being open and honest about it.
1:28:00
SPEAKER_27: He said he wouldn't really even go to Mexico.
1:28:01
SPEAKER_27: It's like if he was to self-deport, you know, whatever.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_05: But great.
1:28:06
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I just I just think that when the left, like it's it's such a funny game for me to kind of perceive.
1:28:14
SPEAKER_05: You know, most people they don't put things into political shades.
1:28:18
SPEAKER_05: But to me, that's kind of how every story is nowadays.
1:28:22
SPEAKER_05: Everyone has to kind of figure out their political angle into this.
1:28:26
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:28:26
SPEAKER_05: And the left is trying to do everything to make this a larger commentary on Operation Metro Surge and blame Republicans for it.
1:28:33
SPEAKER_05: While I think that on the right, they're like, all right, we don't want to let them use this bait.
1:28:38
SPEAKER_05: So we're going to kind of do things in a way that is not advantageous to them, which I think is brilliant.
1:28:44
SPEAKER_29: When in reality, the objective reality is that a bad cop is being prosecuted for a misdeed.
1:28:51
SPEAKER_29: Right.
1:28:52
SPEAKER_29: It sounds like the federal prosecution initially they were going to charge him with, I think it was deprivation of civil rights, which is the same thing that Derek Chauvin was federally convicted of, but then like reduced it to just lying, uh lying to the federal government about what had happened.
1:29:08
SPEAKER_29: That initial story was basically like these two fleeing illegal immigrants like went into a house, but like came out and like beat him with a shovel or something like that.
1:29:17
SPEAKER_29: Turns out that that wasn't the case.
1:29:19
SPEAKER_29: It's just like a total lie.
1:29:21
SPEAKER_29: So you don't want you don't want cops lying, you don't want law enforcement lying.
1:29:24
SPEAKER_29: And the objective reality, no matter the political spin, is that the Trump administration, or I shouldn't say the Trump administration, federal prosecutors are prosecuting uh a bad cop.
1:29:37
SPEAKER_29: That's fine.
1:29:37
SPEAKER_27: Did you guys see just as a complete side note, did you guys see yesterday that the White House is making video games?
1:29:43
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
1:29:44
SPEAKER_27: Did you guys see that?
1:29:45
SPEAKER_27: That's awesome.
1:29:45
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_27: No, I missed that one.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_27: So I I know they're like politically themed.
1:29:50
SPEAKER_27: They're like they're like your old like Atari type games.
1:29:53
SPEAKER_05: So they're like Sega, Nintendo, right?
1:29:55
SPEAKER_05: And they're just basically redoing them and then changing, like, for instance, Duck Hunter, uh, or not Duck Hunter, um, what is it called?
1:30:03
SPEAKER_05: Duck Hunt.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_05: Flappy, Flappy Bird, or Flappy Bird, okay.
1:30:06
SPEAKER_05: But they put an American Eagle.
1:30:07
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
1:30:08
SPEAKER_05: And so it's whatever.
1:30:09
SPEAKER_05: So that's what they're doing.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_27: I believe there's one illegal immigration one that's themed where you can build a wall.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_27: I think that's why I think it's part of it as well.
1:30:16
SPEAKER_27: Phenomenal.
1:30:16
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
1:30:17
SPEAKER_29: I gotta tell you guys what back when I was doing more political marketing professionally, we pitched the NRCC, the national group, on a couple of ideas, and one of them was a uh video game, and we actually developed this little 8-bit video game called Fake News Crush, and it was Trump jumping around on a platform ripping up newspaper articles.
1:30:41
SPEAKER_29: During the break, I'll I'll show you guys.
1:30:43
SPEAKER_29: It was pretty uh pretty hilarious.
1:30:45
SPEAKER_29: We did not get that business.
1:30:46
SPEAKER_27: Grace, maybe that's what's Grace.
1:30:47
SPEAKER_27: Maybe that's what we need to do.
1:30:48
SPEAKER_27: Maybe we need to play, we need to make a video game.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_30: That's what we've been missing.
1:30:51
SPEAKER_27: Based off the center of the American experiment, we can come up with, we can put our collective heads together.
1:30:55
SPEAKER_29: John Justin's a video game.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_29: That'd be awesome.
1:30:57
SPEAKER_29: Actually, Claude or AI can probably do a lot of that.
1:31:00
SPEAKER_29: Probably.
1:31:00
SPEAKER_27: Well, if we get to David Gartenstein Ross.
1:31:03
SPEAKER_27: I mean, his expert theory actually creates games.
1:31:05
SPEAKER_27: So all right, uh, let's go here.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_27: Here's a bit of an update.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_27: Uh, this comes from Fox Nine.
1:31:10
SPEAKER_27: New details emerging after the deadly mass shooting at Loring Towers in downtown Minneapolis.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_27: Here is uh the latest from yesterday in Fox Nine.
1:31:18
SPEAKER_12: Police say the first shots were reported around 4:30 yesterday.
1:31:22
SPEAKER_12: This was inside a downtown apartment building right near the convention center.
1:31:26
SPEAKER_12: Officers arrived, they stay in less than two minutes and found those two victims in the lobby.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_12: One died at the scene, the other died at the hospital.
1:31:33
SPEAKER_12: Police say more shots could be heard upstairs.
1:31:35
SPEAKER_12: When officers arrived on the ninth floor, police encountered some sort of smoke or maybe a haze, and they are engaged in a shootout with the gunman.
1:31:43
SPEAKER_12: Still unclear, though, how that suspect died.
1:31:46
SPEAKER_12: Police have not identified the victims, but at last checked, two officers and four civilians were still checked in here to HTMC receiving treatment.
1:31:53
SPEAKER_12: One of the officers we know was shot in the stomach and required emergency surgery.
1:31:57
SPEAKER_12: The other was shot in the leg.
1:31:59
SPEAKER_12: Now it's unclear how this third officer was injured, but they are all expected to make full recoveries.
1:32:03
SPEAKER_12: Now, while responding to the shooting, we know that two officers were also injured when their squad car was involved in a crash.
1:32:10
SPEAKER_12: No word yet on the extent of those injuries.
1:32:13
SPEAKER_27: And then uh yesterday, uh, and I'm looking at just the headline from the Star Tribune, and this must have been incredibly difficult for the Star Tribune to have to go and report.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_27: But Hennepin County Attorney's Office declined to charge the Minneapolis shooting suspect two weeks, uh two weeks ago over threats to a neighbor.
1:32:31
SPEAKER_27: So there's every there's everything to say the individual should not have been on the street in the first place.
1:32:36
SPEAKER_27: And we were all, you know, speculating about this yesterday.
1:32:38
SPEAKER_27: Representative Tom Emmer was on in the last hour of the show.
1:32:41
SPEAKER_27: He was wondering if this is going to be another example of that.
1:32:44
SPEAKER_27: And it turns out it was another example of that.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_29: Of course it was.
1:32:47
SPEAKER_29: And here's the deal with the with the DFL trifecto, when they passed red flag laws, okay, where, because my understanding is they didn't prosecute him the first time.
1:32:57
SPEAKER_29: Mary Moriarty's excuse was that he was a legal firearm owner.
1:33:01
SPEAKER_29: Well, the DFL passed laws that said if there's a red flag, you should not own a firearm, okay.
1:33:08
SPEAKER_29: What is happening?
1:33:10
SPEAKER_29: And Republicans in the House, in my caucus, have been so strong on prosecuting the laws that are on the books, right?
1:33:19
SPEAKER_29: So we can argue about red flag laws.
1:33:22
SPEAKER_29: I think they're unconstitutional, but there were numerous laws throughout this guy's history that could have been prosecuted harder.
1:33:29
SPEAKER_29: If you commit a gun crime, you should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
1:33:34
SPEAKER_29: This guy not only committed multiple crimes throughout his adult life, but taxpayers were also paying for his housing.
1:33:41
SPEAKER_29: Basically, this guy was like a deadbeat who just his only existence was threatening people and committing crimes.
1:33:50
SPEAKER_27: We subsidized that.
1:33:51
SPEAKER_27: He was trying to make a name for himself on social media.
1:33:53
SPEAKER_05: He was which is which was really, really tough to watch.
1:33:57
SPEAKER_05: Super crazy to go and watch because he wasn't just trying to like give commentary, like he was trying to do like skit videos, like Truevsky style skit videos.
1:34:06
SPEAKER_05: And and here's the point that you're making, Max, and you tie it back into you know Hennepin County not deciding to lock this guy up, they passed these laws, these red flag laws, so they can actually chill the effect of people's Second Amendment right.
1:34:22
SPEAKER_05: And then they will weaponize it to go after the classes that they believe, the groups that they believe are a threat to society.
1:34:30
SPEAKER_05: Mary Moriarty is a Marxist.
1:34:32
SPEAKER_05: And I posted yesterday that what you see with a lot of these like DSA Marxists, uh prosecutors and judges, is that they will inject their views, whether it's critical race theory, critical gender theory, into giving justice to those that they feel are without fault.
1:34:49
SPEAKER_05: Even going back to the Lindsay Clancy story, I think that analysis is correct because she's a female, because she's a woman, part of critical gender theory, that it's not her fault.
1:34:59
SPEAKER_05: When it comes to this shooter and the way that Hennepin County refused to prosecute, it's not his fault.
1:35:05
SPEAKER_05: But that's the whole purpose of the way that these Marxists run society and what it creates is anarcho-tyranny.
1:35:14
SPEAKER_05: And that is that you have tyranny of criminals completely destroying society because the belief that people aren't responsible unless you're a white, heterosexual, Christian male, then yes, it's your fault.
1:35:29
SPEAKER_05: You know, you should be held responsible because the system has allowed you to rise above.
1:35:34
SPEAKER_05: And if you don't, that's because you're a bad person.
1:35:37
SPEAKER_05: But anyone else that falls into all these little categories, it's actually not your fault when you make poor choices.
1:35:42
SPEAKER_05: It's the system's fault.
1:35:43
SPEAKER_05: And Mary Moriarty is like doing this thing where she's now justifying why they didn't bring charges on the same token.
1:35:53
SPEAKER_05: She releases a statement about how you know they did the best they could.
1:35:57
SPEAKER_05: There wasn't enough evidence.
1:35:58
SPEAKER_05: The same day she released a statement about this, you know, former DHS agent that was charged.
1:36:04
SPEAKER_05: It's like, where are her priorities?
1:36:06
SPEAKER_05: I can tell you it's not injustice.
1:36:08
SPEAKER_27: By the way, um, anarcho tyranny, better rock band or a racehorse.
1:36:12
SPEAKER_05: That's that's a really good rock band.
1:36:13
SPEAKER_05: That's a yeah, I agree.
1:36:15
SPEAKER_27: That's a really that's a really good rock band.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_27: All right, let's go to the blaster line to 651-964-0294.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_18: You know, this whole thing with uh this uh prosecutor Hansen County, everything is so messed up.
1:36:27
SPEAKER_18: You might say Minnesota's messed up, but it's just a few prosecutors.
1:36:31
SPEAKER_18: If I was a peace officer, I would definitely have a lawyer on a retainer.
1:36:36
SPEAKER_18: All you're gonna do is prosecute peace officers of any agency, but yet when they have secure criminals, they don't prosecute them when they just lose the peace to me, murder, and kill anyone they want to.
1:36:50
SPEAKER_18: Another reason I don't go down the twin cities.
1:36:52
SPEAKER_18: I don't understand the citizens, the business owners down the twin cities, you're losing business because of the people that are being elected.
1:37:00
SPEAKER_27: Uh we had a uh an email that came into john.justice uh at americanexperiment.org and uh they said uh aka uh spot on commentary.
1:37:08
SPEAKER_27: Just want to point out spot on commentary.
1:37:12
SPEAKER_14: So the victims of our latest um Minneapolis shooting, are there are their families gonna be suing Minneapolis now?
1:37:22
SPEAKER_14: Because they should have taken the guy's gun away in this case.
1:37:26
SPEAKER_14: Uh oh, they'll probably argue the guy was affected by a metro surge or something like that.
1:37:30
SPEAKER_05: I'm waiting for it'll be ready.
1:37:33
SPEAKER_05: Uh I'm telling you Happy Freedom Friday.
1:37:37
SPEAKER_27: The sympathy that they have because he was or the media's attempt to create sympathy around this guy because he was being evicted, but he was only paying$105,$105 a month.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
1:37:48
SPEAKER_05: So, like I'm I'm telling you, I think that they will use it in a certain regard because the way that the story was initially reported is that, you know, I get they're trying to find motive, right?
1:38:01
SPEAKER_05: And like I said earlier, sometimes people do evil things because evil exists.
1:38:05
SPEAKER_05: But they're like, well, he was in the middle of this, you know, being evicted, and maybe this has something to do with it.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_05: But there were the DSA type folks online that originally posted when that story broke about him being evicted of like another consequence.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_05: This is why we should have, you know, rent freezes, why we should have eviction freezes.
1:38:23
SPEAKER_05: And I'm telling you that the larger narrative where they're gonna make the, they're gonna jump the shark, they're gonna say, because of Operation Metro Surge and its economic depression that it put on the Twin Cities, people like this shooter were put into this precarious position, and it all comes back to Operation Metro Surge, another you know, reason why you can't vote for Republic.
1:38:45
SPEAKER_05: I'm telling you, man.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_05: It's coming.
1:38:47
SPEAKER_05: It's coming.
1:38:48
SPEAKER_27: I'm with you.
1:38:49
SPEAKER_27: And I'll keep I'm gonna keep hammering that this whole truth council for Governor Jim Walls.
1:38:53
SPEAKER_27: Just watch.
1:38:54
SPEAKER_27: They made the announcement that that final report's gonna come out on October 31st.
1:38:57
SPEAKER_27: You couple that with KSTP, Tom Hauser going out of their way multiple times to talk about this isn't really$9 billion in fraud.
1:39:06
SPEAKER_27: It's all a big setup because that truth council is gonna come out and say that Operation Metro Surge cost an X amount of money.
1:39:13
SPEAKER_27: Whatever that dollar amount is will be more than whatever the lame stream media decides there at their actual number, so that they can just say that Operation Metro Surge cost the state more money than the fraud did.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_27: Just wait.
1:39:26
SPEAKER_27: It's coming like a freight train.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_27: 100%.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_27: By the way, um, just to further uh prove my point yesterday, because I was I was confused when the story broke of why it was getting national attention.
1:39:36
SPEAKER_27: I understand the law enforcement aspect of it.
1:39:38
SPEAKER_27: Do not misunderstand.
1:39:39
SPEAKER_27: I get it, right?
1:39:40
SPEAKER_27: It's gonna raise the profile.
1:39:42
SPEAKER_27: I understand it's Minneapolis.
1:39:43
SPEAKER_27: Anytime there's concern over a mass shooting, it's gonna get attention.
1:39:46
SPEAKER_27: But there are shootings every single day.
1:39:47
SPEAKER_27: And case in point, Minneapolis police investigate another homicide hours after mass shooting.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_27: And this is a daily occurrence.
1:39:53
SPEAKER_27: So that's why I just wanted to pull it up from Fox 9 because this is why, when I saw the story, I'm like, people are getting shot like every day and there's a new story.
1:40:01
SPEAKER_27: Why is suddenly this one getting a tremendous amount of coverage?
1:40:05
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I think, you know, again, looking at everything from a 10,000-foot view, I think they thought it would be something more.
1:40:12
SPEAKER_05: And the moment that I was I was waiting on a name to come out of like, okay, what's the race?
1:40:18
SPEAKER_05: What's the religion of the shooter?
1:40:20
SPEAKER_05: And how quickly will the story like no longer being national attention, right?
1:40:24
SPEAKER_05: The thing is, when you're when you're watching the interviews, I'm not saying it's not a traumatic event to occur, but the way that the media was initially playing it up, like, this is so traumatic for the people that live here.
1:40:34
SPEAKER_05: I'm like, people are getting shot around here like every other day.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_05: What do you mean it's traumatic?
1:40:38
SPEAKER_05: Like, this is what they've kind of bought into to live in this area of Minneapolis.
1:40:43
SPEAKER_05: And then here's the other thing that I thought was so fascinating.
1:40:47
SPEAKER_05: They keep on saying, you know, mass shooting, mass shooting.
1:40:50
SPEAKER_05: I'm like, back in the day, I think that there was this attempt to turn mass shooting into like this is like white Christian males that do this stuff.
1:40:58
SPEAKER_05: Now, like the overwhelming preponderance of when they change that language of what constitutes a mass shooting are done by black males like under the age of 40.
1:41:09
SPEAKER_05: Like a large majority, where there's multiple people, I think it's like five people have to be shot or something to that effect.
1:41:15
SPEAKER_05: But I just think that they were trying to turn this into a different story.
1:41:20
SPEAKER_05: And then once the facts came out, and I will say this that happens every time.
1:41:23
SPEAKER_05: An updated story came out that one police officer that wasn't, you know, the two that weren't shot uh damaged their hand on the window of their squad car, um, like smashing out some somehow.
1:41:35
SPEAKER_05: So that was how the other person was hurt, and that the shooter actually died in a hail of gunfire exchange with Minneapolis police.
1:41:43
SPEAKER_05: I saw that reported this morning.
1:41:44
SPEAKER_05: And so they do have a few more answers from from uh what had occurred.
1:41:48
SPEAKER_05: And the thing that they're still kind of, you know, trying to when I say they, like who are they though?
1:41:54
SPEAKER_05: It's like the way that they paint the story of what Minneapolis mayor said was, well, we don't know if it was targeted.
1:42:01
SPEAKER_05: It seems like he shot his baby's mom at the exchange, then shot two employees walking into the building, uh, uh a woman and a man, and then he went upstairs to the ninth floor, shot two more people.
1:42:14
SPEAKER_29: They were just like his neighbors, or just his neighbors.
1:42:16
SPEAKER_05: And and then basically got into, he was shooting more, but got into uh exchange of gunfire, and then he died by cop.
1:42:22
SPEAKER_05: So wow.
1:42:23
SPEAKER_27: All right, let's get to a few thoughts on a Freedom Friday on the blaster line this morning.
1:42:27
SPEAKER_27: 651-964-0294 as I move some stuff around in the uh in the stack.
1:42:32
SPEAKER_27: Let's go here.
1:42:33
SPEAKER_37: For a guy that had subsidized rent, yes, he sure had an expensive tattoo on his neck.
1:42:42
SPEAKER_37: Yay.
1:42:43
SPEAKER_27: I never you know what I don't have a problem with tattoos.
1:42:45
SPEAKER_27: I do have a problem with tattoo placement often.
1:42:48
SPEAKER_27: No, not tattoos themselves.
1:42:50
SPEAKER_27: I just yeah, when it starts to kind of come over, I just I yeah, then I don't get it.
1:42:54
SPEAKER_27: She's not wrong.
1:42:54
SPEAKER_27: Those are pricey.
1:42:55
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:42:58
SPEAKER_29: Nope.
1:42:59
SPEAKER_29: We gotta pay it.
1:43:00
SPEAKER_29: We have a lot of paying.
1:43:01
SPEAKER_27: Have all the tattoos over there, Grace?
1:43:03
SPEAKER_27: Is that you hiding hiding?
1:43:06
SPEAKER_27: So I've heard.
1:43:07
SPEAKER_27: She's got an eagle on her back.
1:43:11
SPEAKER_30: She's got the American Experiment logo.
1:43:13
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, that's the next one.
1:43:14
SPEAKER_27: There you go.
1:43:14
SPEAKER_27: Oh, speaking of which, it's a nice setup.
1:43:16
SPEAKER_10: You know what?
1:43:16
SPEAKER_10: We can all know one thing.
1:43:18
SPEAKER_10: If the John Justice Show and the Center for the American Experiment does a video game, the soundtrack will be amazing.
1:43:25
SPEAKER_10: Oh, 100%.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_27: True then.
1:43:28
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I will, I will author, I will author all the music if that's the case.
1:43:32
SPEAKER_27: All right, let's go here.
1:43:33
SPEAKER_27: Uh, have you guys had the privilege of uh and I know this is uh I didn't see this this uh or I didn't see the video, I didn't hear the audio when it first rolled around because it came from a February 4th uh board meeting for the Minneapolis Park Board.
1:43:47
SPEAKER_27: Uh but have you guys heard this audio yet of the of this park board meeting?
1:43:51
SPEAKER_27: Okay, I'll be right back.
1:43:51
SPEAKER_27: I saw the story, I haven't listened to the audio.
1:43:53
SPEAKER_27: Yay! Isaac, have you seen this?
1:43:55
SPEAKER_27: Have you heard this yet?
1:43:56
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:43:56
SPEAKER_27: I did bump the audio up on this.
1:43:58
SPEAKER_27: Here's how it goes Minneapolis Parks and Recreation Board Commissioner, Kay Um Carvajal Moran.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:44:06
SPEAKER_27: Kay Carvajal Maran.
1:44:08
SPEAKER_27: We'll just call her Commissioner Kay for this point.
1:44:10
SPEAKER_27: Co-chair of the administration and finance commit uh committee is under scrutiny after a video surfaced.
1:44:18
SPEAKER_27: I'll just play the audio here, but let me just reiterate, okay, Minneapolis Parks and Recreation Board Commissioner, co-chair of the administration and finance committee, and she was uh struggling a little bit with the text that was in front of her.
1:44:35
SPEAKER_35: Here at 757, I would like to convene the administration and finance committee.
1:44:40
SPEAKER_35: Uh Secretary Ringle, will you please call the role?
1:44:42
SPEAKER_27: So you're gonna hear a couple of voices here.
1:44:44
SPEAKER_27: One is gonna be another committee member, and then there's this this Kay Carvajal Moran who has the difficulty.
1:44:50
SPEAKER_35: Call the role.
1:44:51
SPEAKER_35: Vice President, here commissioner Inglehart.
1:45:00
SPEAKER_24: Commissioner Garcia.
1:45:02
SPEAKER_24: Here co-chair Carvajal Moran.
1:45:06
SPEAKER_35: Coach Fourney.
1:45:07
SPEAKER_35: Here, we have a quorum.
1:45:09
SPEAKER_35: Thank you.
1:45:09
SPEAKER_35: I'll take a motion to approve the agenda.
1:45:12
SPEAKER_00: So moved.
1:45:14
SPEAKER_35: All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.
1:45:17
SPEAKER_35: Aye.
1:45:18
SPEAKER_35: Opposed?
1:45:20
SPEAKER_35: Or no minutes?
1:45:21
SPEAKER_35: Okay, we will move then to a resolution.
1:45:24
SPEAKER_35: Somebody would be so kind as to read resolution 2026.
1:45:30
SPEAKER_35: Resolution.
1:45:32
SPEAKER_33: Resolution authorizing the purchase of splash pad equipment, furnishing, splash pad, surfacing, and installing services up to can y'all help me with that number.
1:45:45
SPEAKER_35: $404,755.
1:45:49
SPEAKER_05: And I just can't read numbers.
1:45:51
SPEAKER_33: She's on the finance committee.
1:45:57
SPEAKER_33: Through the Minnesota Department of Administration Office of State Procurement Contract number 218091 at Elliott Park for and further authorizing administrative use of 10% construction contingency up to like 40 if you would be kind.
1:46:15
SPEAKER_33: $40,475.
1:46:18
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she can't read number nope for necessary.
1:46:20
SPEAKER_33: She can't read number change orders that may arise with the contract and transferring.
1:46:32
SPEAKER_33: From 2025, NPP 20, capital investment construction contingency fund to the Elliott Park Playground and Park Improvements Project.
1:46:42
SPEAKER_27: She couldn't read the numbers in front of her.
1:46:46
SPEAKER_30: Okay, okay.
1:46:46
SPEAKER_30: I I have a serious question.
1:46:49
SPEAKER_30: Has governance, like local governance in Minneapolis, always been this absurd and abysmal?
1:46:57
SPEAKER_30: Because I feel like every single time we come to a story or a recording of a city council meeting or a committee meeting or a parks and recreation board meeting, I'm like, how is this city?
1:47:07
SPEAKER_30: I mean, I was gonna say, how is this city functioning?
1:47:09
SPEAKER_30: It's not doing great, obviously, but this level of like who is in charge here?
1:47:15
SPEAKER_30: The finance committee person can't read numbers?
1:47:18
SPEAKER_30: And that I feel like is indicative of their entire governing structure right now.
1:47:22
SPEAKER_30: Am I wrong?
1:47:23
SPEAKER_30: So my question, has it always been like this?
1:47:25
SPEAKER_27: Max?
1:47:26
SPEAKER_27: No.
1:47:26
SPEAKER_27: You're probably the first person to ask in the room being the representative.
1:47:29
SPEAKER_29: I don't think it's been this bad.
1:47:31
SPEAKER_29: Uh, but what you're seeing in Minneapolis and in St.
1:47:34
SPEAKER_29: Paul is these local elections have stopped being about credentials at all.
1:47:38
SPEAKER_29: They've become more about social justice and electing people who yeah who have a specific identity.
1:47:45
SPEAKER_29: I'm kind of guessing that this young lady being on the finance committee of a probably the biggest park board, I would guess, in the state of Minnesota.
1:47:53
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, probably Minneapolis Parks, yeah.
1:47:55
SPEAKER_29: Not being able to read a five-digit number, getting confused about what that number actually was.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_27: Listen, I have the numbers right here.
1:48:05
SPEAKER_27: So uh it was$404,755.35.
1:48:10
SPEAKER_27: That is a big number.
1:48:11
SPEAKER_27: The other was$40,475.54,$76,557.
1:48:17
SPEAKER_05: You can't do five digits.
1:48:18
SPEAKER_27: You're right, you're running out of excuses here.
1:48:20
SPEAKER_27: You've you've got to watch the video.
1:48:22
SPEAKER_27: She actually doesn't know the numbers.
1:48:23
SPEAKER_29: No, she can't, she she's looking, you can watch in the video.
1:48:26
SPEAKER_27: She is staring at the paperwork in front of her, and she does not know how to read the numbers.
1:48:32
SPEAKER_27: It is it is the most one of the most astonishing things that I have seen.
1:48:35
SPEAKER_27: Why she wasn't like fired on the spot is beyond me.
1:48:38
SPEAKER_05: She also can't read.
1:48:41
SPEAKER_05: She was struggling reading the words.
1:48:44
SPEAKER_05: And now, listen, Grace, you and Catherine on your podcast have often talked about this zero percent of students at a handful of schools were proficient in reading and math.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_05: This is literally an example of what that means.
1:48:59
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:48:59
SPEAKER_05: They're graduating kids that can't read numbers, man.
1:49:03
SPEAKER_29: My nine-year-old could read that number.
1:49:05
SPEAKER_29: My six-year-old could read that number.
1:49:06
SPEAKER_30: And who is that doing a disservice to?
1:49:08
SPEAKER_30: Who is pushing her through the schools and not teaching them how to read numbers and graduating them anyway?
1:49:15
SPEAKER_30: Now she's getting laughed at on a on a radio and podcast show.
1:49:18
SPEAKER_30: It's like, this is not the kind or compassionate thing to do.
1:49:21
SPEAKER_30: I can't understand.
1:49:22
SPEAKER_30: In all seriousness.
1:49:23
SPEAKER_05: I can understand if we're talking about billions, quadrillions.
1:49:27
SPEAKER_05: Totally.
1:49:27
SPEAKER_05: Some people they struggle with like how you say the last three digits or whatever.
1:49:32
SPEAKER_27: Listen, when you get into the when you get into the millions and all that, I'm I'm looking at counting comments.
1:49:37
SPEAKER_29: You gotta come with the zeros, right?
1:49:39
SPEAKER_27: Absolutely.
1:49:40
SPEAKER_29: There's nothing wrong with that.
1:49:41
SPEAKER_27: But 404,000, I mean, come on.
1:49:44
SPEAKER_29: 76,000?
1:49:45
SPEAKER_30: I mean five.
1:49:47
SPEAKER_29: Again, we're talking about five digit numbers here.
1:49:49
SPEAKER_29: Isaac, did you want to chime in on this?
1:49:51
SPEAKER_09: Holy buckets.
1:49:52
SPEAKER_09: I can't even like no, I'm just shocked.
1:49:54
SPEAKER_09: I have nothing to add.
1:49:55
SPEAKER_09: That's insane.
1:49:56
SPEAKER_27: But but okay, but let's back up for just uh first off, I got a text.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_27: That rolled in and maybe maybe.
1:50:01
SPEAKER_27: Do we have other meetings, by the way?
1:50:02
SPEAKER_29: Do we have previous meetings?
1:50:03
SPEAKER_29: Let's go listen to everyone.
1:50:05
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, you're right.
1:50:06
SPEAKER_30: How long has she been in this position making decisions?
1:50:08
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:50:09
SPEAKER_30: Unable to read numbers.
1:50:11
SPEAKER_29: Because the crazy part is, is you can tell the other uh the other park board members know this is a thing.
1:50:16
SPEAKER_29: You're like jumping in for her right away to read these numbers.
1:50:20
SPEAKER_27: Well, and we got a friend of the show, Julie, just uh emailed in to John Doddjustice at AmericanExperiment.org, and she's a college grad.
1:50:27
SPEAKER_30: How do you this this lady graduated college?
1:50:30
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:50:30
SPEAKER_05: Did she go?
1:50:31
SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
1:50:32
SPEAKER_05: Do we know from where?
1:50:33
SPEAKER_05: Hennepin County Community Technical College.
1:50:35
SPEAKER_29: I got it.
1:50:36
SPEAKER_29: Watch it be some scholarship to an Ivy League institution.
1:50:40
SPEAKER_29: I'll find it.
1:50:40
SPEAKER_29: Yeah.
1:50:41
SPEAKER_29: Graduated from Hamlin.
1:50:42
SPEAKER_27: There's a uh here's the here's the here's the story for reference here, Isaac.
1:50:46
SPEAKER_27: Here you go.
1:50:46
SPEAKER_27: We gotta take that.
1:50:47
SPEAKER_27: This is important.
1:50:48
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, we we need this.
1:50:49
SPEAKER_27: There's a text that rolled in.
1:50:50
SPEAKER_27: It said the Minneapolis City Council and Mayor Fry can't even count to 731 police officers.
1:50:55
SPEAKER_27: So who's right, that's true.
1:50:58
SPEAKER_27: That wins.
1:50:58
SPEAKER_27: That's really good.
1:50:59
SPEAKER_27: That is fair.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_27: That's pretty good.
1:51:00
SPEAKER_27: I'll give a credit.
1:51:01
SPEAKER_27: That was James Dickey.
1:51:02
SPEAKER_27: We'll give credit where credit is due on this.
1:51:04
SPEAKER_27: Listen, I mean, if she hadn't gone to college based off the lack of a quality education here in Minnesota, about how half the students can't, you know, read or do arithmetic when they leave, it's not all that shocking.
1:51:14
SPEAKER_27: But the fact that she actually got herself elevated to be part of the finance committee at the Minneapolis park board that receives a ton of money, not to mention the fact that they're authorizing funding.
1:51:23
SPEAKER_27: Right.
1:51:24
SPEAKER_29: That she's a part of.
1:51:25
SPEAKER_29: You're on the finance committee and you can't read up to$40,000.
1:51:29
SPEAKER_29: I'm sorry.
1:51:30
SPEAKER_29: Or$10,000.
1:51:31
SPEAKER_30: That is what's incredible, is this has not held her back in life.
1:51:34
SPEAKER_30: I mean, she's she's gotten this position of power.
1:51:37
SPEAKER_29: Until you make it, baby.
1:51:38
SPEAKER_30: Over the what, the biggest city in Minnesota?
1:51:39
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, exactly.
1:51:40
SPEAKER_30: She went to college.
1:51:42
SPEAKER_27: The meeting was from February, by the way, just so everybody's clear.
1:51:46
SPEAKER_29: I sits over there smiling.
1:51:47
SPEAKER_29: We're about to find out some fun information.
1:51:49
SPEAKER_09: Um K, it says on the website, Kay is a product of Minneapolis Public Schools.
1:51:53
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
1:51:57
SPEAKER_29: Yep.
1:51:57
SPEAKER_29: Not beating the allegations.
1:51:58
SPEAKER_09: Yep.
1:51:59
SPEAKER_09: And graduated from Roosevelt High School.
1:52:01
SPEAKER_09: She then received her bachelor degree from Augsburg University in sociology and history.
1:52:08
SPEAKER_30: Oh my gosh.
1:52:09
SPEAKER_30: Now she's on a finance committee.
1:52:11
SPEAKER_29: She was probably on a full ride scholarship.
1:52:13
SPEAKER_27: This is this is your this is your equity at play.
1:52:16
SPEAKER_27: This is your DEI at play.
1:52:19
SPEAKER_27: Uh, and and I don't know which of our of our Freedom Friday guests this morning made the comment, but um, you're right.
1:52:25
SPEAKER_27: They all are already aware of this.
1:52:27
SPEAKER_27: They were already ready to jump in and help her out, which it raises the question of uh one, how long has she been there?
1:52:33
SPEAKER_27: And two, what other golden audio is available to go and and listen to?
1:52:38
SPEAKER_27: But the fact that nobody, you know, the fact that nobody there is saying you cannot be in this position if you don't know how to read numbers.
1:52:45
SPEAKER_27: I mean, what else I mean listen, lonely highway theory, if she doesn't know how to read numbers, what else can't she do?
1:52:53
SPEAKER_30: I mean, okay, I'm sorry.
1:52:55
SPEAKER_30: In today's day and age, there is simply no excuse for not knowing something like that.
1:52:59
SPEAKER_30: You, you, you get this position uh of power and and you you know go to a meeting, you realize you can't read a number out loud.
1:53:08
SPEAKER_30: YouTube, girl.
1:53:09
SPEAKER_30: Like just you can learn this.
1:53:10
SPEAKER_30: It's just a complete lack of care.
1:53:13
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, go ask AI, teach me how to read numbers.
1:53:16
SPEAKER_09: 15 minutes.
1:53:17
SPEAKER_29: And the AI is gonna come back and be like, how old are you?
1:53:20
SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
1:53:21
SPEAKER_28: What's wrong with you?
1:53:22
SPEAKER_28: It's gonna be avoiding the three laws just being you're too stupid to remain alive at this point in time when it comes to the AI and how they're judging individuals.
1:53:30
SPEAKER_09: Also, her pronouns on the bio are listed Ella slash she slash hers.
1:53:36
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
1:53:36
SPEAKER_09: Has anyone heard Ella as a pronoun before?
1:53:38
SPEAKER_05: Well, okay, in the leftist vernacular They Rihanna fans?
1:53:42
SPEAKER_05: Well, that was terrible.
1:53:45
SPEAKER_05: That was in the Marxist, again, critical gender theory, pronouns are literally nonsensical.
1:53:54
SPEAKER_05: It's just how do you prefer to be called?
1:53:56
SPEAKER_05: So that's why there's the Z Zer Zim, right?
1:53:59
SPEAKER_05: There's legitimately 980, whatever.
1:54:03
SPEAKER_05: There's probably infinity pronouns, but you you can go on TikTok.
1:54:07
SPEAKER_05: You know, I don't encourage you to do this unless you want to like jab your eyeballs out, but you can watch these critical gender folks like just go down the history of today.
1:54:17
SPEAKER_05: We're gonna learn how to use frog froggies as pronouns, and they literally will make a video about how to use all of these different things.
1:54:24
SPEAKER_05: That's it's uh brain rot.
1:54:26
SPEAKER_27: All right, let's go uh here to the blaster line.
1:54:30
SPEAKER_17: Come on, Jane, Brian, North French.
1:54:32
SPEAKER_17: That woman on the parkboard, that commissioner, has a degree from a four-year college.
1:54:39
SPEAKER_17: How in the hell do she pass her classes in college without being able to read numbers?
1:54:47
SPEAKER_17: These are the lunatics we have running our metropolitan cities.
1:54:51
SPEAKER_17: Yeah.
1:54:52
SPEAKER_27: You know what?
1:54:52
SPEAKER_27: And just to pull in, just uh not to go down the road again, but you when you begin to wonder why are people and how can people go and defend Lindsay Clancy, I present to you this idiot.
1:55:05
SPEAKER_17: What level of embarrassment would you guys have if you couldn't read those numbers?
1:55:10
SPEAKER_30: Oh, I would resign the next day.
1:55:12
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
1:55:12
SPEAKER_30: I if this happened to me, in seriousness, I would, I would like probably have to hold back tears and then I would quit the next day.
1:55:20
SPEAKER_27: If I if this happened, if this happened to me on the air, I'm fairly convinced and rightfully so that Grace would be going, yeah, John, it was a bad idea to bring John Justice on board.
1:55:29
SPEAKER_27: You don't think that was a good idea?
1:55:30
SPEAKER_27: I know that we did all this here.
1:55:33
SPEAKER_27: There's some red flags, but there might be some problems we need to address.
1:55:37
SPEAKER_29: Could you imagine?
1:55:38
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, like if we were talking about some violence interrupter and the salary they were making and it was like$90,000, and John hands us the sheet and he's like, hey guys, what is this number?
1:55:47
SPEAKER_29: Oh.
1:55:48
SPEAKER_29: I'm like, what?
1:55:49
SPEAKER_05: It was it was 900-144, and I'd be like, wait, wait.
1:55:54
SPEAKER_29: Are you okay?
1:55:55
SPEAKER_05: Are you okay?
1:55:55
SPEAKER_05: Like 900-144.
1:55:57
SPEAKER_05: I'd be like, oh, you can't read numbers.
1:56:00
SPEAKER_27: It would have been great if she started talking like in uh in uh in Hobbit Speak.
1:56:04
SPEAKER_27: One 110,000.
1:56:07
SPEAKER_27: Oh my gosh.
1:56:08
SPEAKER_05: Just making up.
1:56:09
SPEAKER_29: Actually, I would have appreciated that effort more than having other city council people jump in and read the numbers for me.
1:56:14
SPEAKER_05: No effort.
1:56:15
SPEAKER_05: The best part though, that audio is when she like takes that long pause and she's like, my nemesis.
1:56:24
SPEAKER_05: We meet again.
1:56:26
SPEAKER_22: On the finance committee.
1:56:28
SPEAKER_29: I didn't know there would be large numbers on this resolution.
1:56:31
SPEAKER_27: You told me four digits or less.
1:56:34
SPEAKER_27: Numbers, I'm thwarted again.
1:56:36
SPEAKER_27: So I don't know if any of you guys touched upon it.
1:56:38
SPEAKER_27: I was looking at some of the uh the texts and the uh blasts that were rolling in, but I do have uh an explanation as to the to the pronouns.
1:56:45
SPEAKER_27: Did we figure that out?
1:56:46
SPEAKER_27: Because I do have an explanation.
1:56:47
SPEAKER_27: Oh no, but I'm very curious, yeah.
1:56:49
SPEAKER_19: Chris in Brooklyn Center, it's not Ella in her bio, it's a that's Spanish for she.
1:56:55
SPEAKER_30: Oh, duh.
1:56:56
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, okay.
1:56:57
SPEAKER_30: Sorry.
1:56:58
SPEAKER_05: Yes, listen, I'm an American speak American, all right?
1:57:01
SPEAKER_05: You're fired.
1:57:01
SPEAKER_05: Get out of here, man.
1:57:03
SPEAKER_09: I didn't know we were translating pronouns these days.
1:57:06
SPEAKER_09: I thought that was just kind of assumed.
1:57:08
SPEAKER_09: Like, okay, it's English pronouns.
1:57:10
SPEAKER_27: This uh audio, by the way, giving credit where credit is due, was posted by Becca Thompson.
1:57:14
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:57:14
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
1:57:14
SPEAKER_27: Uh she reposted the clip on Monday with a question for her viewers: Does this make you feel more confident in our leaders or less so?
1:57:22
SPEAKER_27: Thompson, who previously chaired the Parkboard's Finance Committee and is a math teacher, took to X to address the criticism that's circulating.
1:57:30
SPEAKER_27: Uh the footage amounted to a personal attack on the person.
1:57:34
SPEAKER_27: Thompson said her criticism is not directed at Moran personally, but a system that, in her view, allows someone to graduate from college without even being able to read certain dollar figures and then rise to a position of overseeing millions of taxpayer dollars.
1:57:46
SPEAKER_30: Exactly it.
1:57:47
SPEAKER_30: Yes.
1:57:48
SPEAKER_27: She went on to say, to be super clear, people have critiqued me for posting this as if it was an attack on this individual.
1:57:52
SPEAKER_27: No, it's actually not.
1:57:54
SPEAKER_27: It's an expose on a system that would allow someone to get a college degree without knowing how to read numbers, and then the same person would be so fluffed up with nonsense as to believe they legitimately can run a$140 million organization.
1:58:05
SPEAKER_29: $140 million.
1:58:08
SPEAKER_29: That is a home run take.
1:58:08
SPEAKER_29: And Becca Thompson is wonderful.
1:58:11
SPEAKER_29: I the she's popped up on my X feed a number of times.
1:58:15
SPEAKER_29: I I don't know much about her background, but I I do think she is a former leader in Minneapolis and that she ain't exactly right wing, okay?
1:58:25
SPEAKER_29: She is just a liberal who sees how common sense crazy that party's gotten.
1:58:31
SPEAKER_29: She's the she's Minneapolis's Bill Mark.
1:58:34
SPEAKER_29: Yeah.
1:58:35
SPEAKER_29: Yeah.
1:58:35
SPEAKER_29: There you go.
1:58:36
SPEAKER_27: There it is.
1:58:36
SPEAKER_27: I'm sticking with it.
1:58:37
SPEAKER_29: Great follow, too.
1:58:38
SPEAKER_29: Yeah.
1:58:39
SPEAKER_20: Hey, John, uh, I think most people already know this, but there's a big difference between smart and educated.
1:58:47
SPEAKER_20: There are a lot of educated people that are not smart, and there are a lot of smart people that are not educated.
1:58:54
SPEAKER_27: So incredibly true.
1:58:57
SPEAKER_27: So incredibly true.
1:58:58
SPEAKER_27: I learned that early on uh when uh Katie Pavlich first joined my show back in in Tucson when she was just going to the University of Minnesota, and the whole shtick that we did with Katie, who now hosts on News Nation, was that it was what Katie learned in college this week.
1:59:14
SPEAKER_27: So she would come in once a week and then talk about all of her liberal professors.
1:59:18
SPEAKER_27: And that's a prime example of that.
1:59:20
SPEAKER_27: You have all these highly educated individuals that are out there just dumb as a buck, a box of rocks.
1:59:26
SPEAKER_29: And it's why these same people, when they do something stupid or say something stupid like this, the number one way that you can read insecurity in your actual intelligence or your position in life is when they fall back on their credentialing, when they say, I am this, I got this degree, as if that means anything to the to the blaster's point.
1:59:49
SPEAKER_29: Some of the most they're they're the dangerous combination of both dumb and arrogant, okay?
1:59:57
SPEAKER_29: And they throw out their credentials, their their degrees, as if this is uh this is some kind of indicator for how intuitive or how intelligent you are.
2:00:06
SPEAKER_29: And uh every time I hear that, you'll hear it on like CNN or you'll hear it at like in a debate or whatever.
2:00:12
SPEAKER_29: I got my master's from this, that, or the other thing.
2:00:15
SPEAKER_29: It's like I'm not impressed at all.
2:00:18
SPEAKER_29: Like when you fall back on your credentialing as an excuse or as a replacement for your knowledge or your intelligence or lack thereof, it just to me, it screams insecurity because you can get through what's apparent about this person is you can get through a four-year system and not know how to read the number 40,000.
2:00:40
SPEAKER_05: And what's so sad about it, it used to be, and I don't know when this actually changed.
2:00:46
SPEAKER_05: I have probably a larger theory about how Marxism crept into our higher education system in an attempt to actually bring it down, which I think you're kind of seeing come to fruition.
2:00:56
SPEAKER_05: But there used to be a time that when you went to college and you became educated, it's because you had the desire, drive, and capacity, and that you kind of were in a different, I would say, level of understanding of how to think critically.
2:01:11
SPEAKER_05: And then they basically were like, Well, everyone should go to college.
2:01:15
SPEAKER_05: And the truth is that that's not like that's actually not how it should be.
2:01:19
SPEAKER_05: It should be for the people that are willing to actually learn how to do things.
2:01:24
SPEAKER_05: Instead, it's just like everyone who goes, as long as you show up and you can make some type of excuse, and it doesn't have to be a great excuse, you can get past.
2:01:33
SPEAKER_05: And and I'll even call myself out.
2:01:35
SPEAKER_05: I went to the University of Minnesota, I got a college of liberal arts degree.
2:01:40
SPEAKER_05: In order to get that degree, you have to have to actually pass the fourth level of a foreign language.
2:01:46
SPEAKER_05: I took Arabic stupidly because I'm like, oh, my name's Abdul Rahman.
2:01:50
SPEAKER_05: I mean Arabic, whatever.
2:01:52
SPEAKER_05: And so by the time I got to basically Arabic four or one zero zero four, I'm like, okay, this ain't gonna work.
2:02:01
SPEAKER_05: So I actually failed the fourth semester of Arabic.
2:02:05
SPEAKER_05: But because I'm a smooth talker, I talked to, you know, my professor, and because I'm, you know, I I guess I'm not like the smartest guy in the world, I found that there was a way that I could test out of Arabic by taking an oral exam and a written exam.
2:02:20
SPEAKER_05: And I basically convinced him to present to the rest of the language board that I should be able to do that.
2:02:27
SPEAKER_05: And I did that.
2:02:28
SPEAKER_05: I was able to hustle my way into actually passing an oral exam and a written exam.
2:02:33
SPEAKER_05: And one other thing, and again, I'm calling myself on it.
2:02:37
SPEAKER_05: I failed the first two oral exams they gave me, but he felt so bad.
2:02:40
SPEAKER_05: And my I was able to convince him that he literally like he he basically passed me without actually doing the oral because I could read it, I could write it.
2:02:50
SPEAKER_05: I just didn't ever take the time to actually practice speaking.
2:02:53
SPEAKER_05: But the reason I graduated was because I now the hard way would have been okay, I gotta wait two more semesters for this class to roll around.
2:03:00
SPEAKER_05: But I'm just saying, I'm an example of that specific in this case.
2:03:05
SPEAKER_05: DEI.
2:03:06
SPEAKER_05: I I should have, I should have been forced to actually reconcile that I wasn't doing the work.
2:03:12
SPEAKER_05: But our higher education system is to a point that you don't have to do that.
2:03:17
SPEAKER_05: And at least I was able to like, you know, have to do something in effect.
2:03:22
SPEAKER_05: But a lot of these people that graduate these days, that degree means literally nothing.
2:03:27
SPEAKER_05: And I think it's sad because it used to mean something back in the day, which is why credentials don't matter at all anymore.
2:03:33
SPEAKER_05: You know what else you are?
2:03:34
SPEAKER_05: You're fascinating.
2:03:35
SPEAKER_29: Fascinating.
2:03:36
SPEAKER_29: Fascinating.
2:03:38
SPEAKER_29: AK AK missed this call.
2:03:40
SPEAKER_29: The the grease, uh, the skids, it could have been grease for you to open up a good daycare center.
2:03:45
SPEAKER_05: I know, man.
2:03:46
SPEAKER_05: You missed that ball.
2:03:47
SPEAKER_27: AK's Learing Center.
2:03:48
SPEAKER_27: You missed it.
2:03:49
SPEAKER_27: I had a text that rolled into the uh to the blaster line.
2:03:52
SPEAKER_27: Happy Freedom Friday.
2:03:53
SPEAKER_27: I asked my twin nine-year-olds last night if they could read the numbers.
2:03:56
SPEAKER_27: The Minneapolis Parks lady couldn't.
2:03:58
SPEAKER_27: Not only were they able to read them correctly, they were able to add and subtract them.
2:04:02
SPEAKER_27: Thankfully, they have been fully educated in Florida.
2:04:06
SPEAKER_27: Have a great day.
2:04:07
SPEAKER_27: Um other person wrote in, I work in Roosevelt and you should see the grading curve.
2:04:12
SPEAKER_27: It's insane.
2:04:12
SPEAKER_27: 20% is a D.
2:04:15
SPEAKER_27: K went to Osb to Augsburg, which doesn't require an ACT score.
2:04:20
SPEAKER_27: The majority of immigrants uh from Roosevelt go there.
2:04:25
SPEAKER_27: Most can barely read.
2:04:26
SPEAKER_27: Ilhan endorsed Kay.
2:04:28
SPEAKER_27: Why would a U.S.
2:04:30
SPEAKER_27: Congresswoman endorse a school board member?
2:04:33
SPEAKER_27: Wow.
2:04:33
SPEAKER_29: So that is a series of facts that makes me very, very sad.
2:04:37
SPEAKER_27: Lot of uh lot of comments rolling in on this.
2:04:39
SPEAKER_27: We do have to uh switch gears a bit.
2:04:41
SPEAKER_27: With that, we enter into the third hour here on the John Justice Show on a Freedom Friday, presented by American Experiment and keep those uh voice and text messages coming into the new blaster line.
2:04:52
SPEAKER_27: That's six five one nine six four-zero two nine four.
2:06:27
SPEAKER_18: So, off topic questions for Freedom Friday.
2:06:30
SPEAKER_18: Uh, NASCAR is uh starting their playoffs.
2:06:34
SPEAKER_18: I'm just wondering how excited you are about that.
2:06:36
SPEAKER_18: I think your guy is in the top 15 or 16 drivers.
2:06:40
SPEAKER_18: I'm looking forward to the end of the season there.
2:06:42
SPEAKER_18: Secondly, are you gonna be able to have uh PA on on Mondays to talk about the Vikings games once in a while uh with your new format and working for your new company?
2:06:53
SPEAKER_18: So, anyway, have a great day.
2:06:56
SPEAKER_27: Uh, on the second point, as we enter into the third hour on a Freedom uh Friday, we have Grace Keating here from American Experiment.
2:07:03
SPEAKER_27: The show is, of course, brought to you by uh by American Experiment.
2:07:05
SPEAKER_27: We have Representative Max Reimer and also RNC committeeman uh aka uh Kamara.
2:07:11
SPEAKER_27: Uh no, so we I stopped um having PA on um when the Vikings started to suck really bad, um which means which means I just stopped having AK on.
2:07:20
SPEAKER_27: I mean uh uh PA on.
2:07:21
SPEAKER_27: So uh I suppose I probably could, but that's not I'm not planning that uh at the moment.
2:07:27
SPEAKER_27: Ashley is busy with his own show too, so especially because it's on at nine o'clock.
2:07:30
SPEAKER_29: So quick on-air production meeting, uh, because there's actually a lot of like really conservative Vikings influencers on X.
2:07:39
SPEAKER_29: Uh-huh.
2:07:40
SPEAKER_29: You should probably have one of them on.
2:07:42
SPEAKER_29: That's probably a good point.
2:07:43
SPEAKER_29: Like every Monday, you know, who could give a little political spin and like also give you some pretty insightful things on what happened the past weekend.
2:07:50
SPEAKER_09: Oh, I'll do it.
2:07:51
SPEAKER_27: Uh yeah.
2:07:52
SPEAKER_27: Well, you know, I know in in-house, Isaac Isaac and Devin, because you guys are both you guys are both on there.
2:07:57
SPEAKER_27: So you're right.
2:07:57
SPEAKER_27: So I should probably tap into the resources.
2:07:59
SPEAKER_27: You can do Isaac.
2:08:00
SPEAKER_29: There's also uh shout out to Skull Bros on X.
2:08:03
SPEAKER_29: He's another one.
2:08:04
SPEAKER_29: Always base Nate.
2:08:06
SPEAKER_29: Love Nate.
2:08:07
SPEAKER_29: He's a big Vikings fan.
2:08:08
SPEAKER_29: And uh these guys are also pretty conservative.
2:08:11
SPEAKER_29: It might be a very interesting uh guest idea.
2:08:15
SPEAKER_27: To the uh to the uh the friend of the show's other comment.
2:08:18
SPEAKER_27: No, my guy is not.
2:08:19
SPEAKER_27: Uh Bowman was out for like four and a half races at the beginning of the season, so he did not make the chase.
2:08:24
SPEAKER_27: No, I'm looking forward to watching it.
2:08:25
SPEAKER_27: I don't really have a dog in this fight because my guy's not in the chase, but I'm looking forward to watching it.
2:08:29
SPEAKER_27: And oddly enough, I'm kind of rooting for Denny Hamlin.
2:08:32
SPEAKER_27: I want him to win a championship.
2:08:33
SPEAKER_27: So uh thank you for the uh off-topic comment on a Freedom Friday.
2:08:37
SPEAKER_27: If you want to continue to get your comments in, uh voice or text message, the new blaster line at 651-964-0294.
2:08:44
SPEAKER_27: So I have a couple of stories we'll combine here.
2:08:46
SPEAKER_27: Uh, the first one: China is gaining uh influence over America's labor unions through its ties to the Democrat Socialists of America.
2:08:55
SPEAKER_27: This is according to a conservative think tank, Independent Women, warned on Thursday.
2:08:59
SPEAKER_27: I wonder what their thoughts are about the Lindsay Clancy trial, but we won't go there again.
2:09:03
SPEAKER_27: Uh, independent women said the DSA, which seeks to replace American capitalism with socialism, has increasingly targeted labor unions as a way to recruit supporters and develop new leaders.
2:09:13
SPEAKER_27: The group describes the unions as a key vehicle for the DSA to gain control of the means of production and key industries and then redistribute the resources and wealth.
2:09:24
SPEAKER_27: The independent women's group also warned that Beijing is using its relationships with DSA members to expand its influence over American politics, businesses, and public policy.
2:09:35
SPEAKER_27: Before I go to the uh to the Freedom Friday guests this morning on this, I want to add one more story into the mix.
2:09:40
SPEAKER_27: And we talked about this a little earlier in the show, Max.
2:09:43
SPEAKER_27: I know you had some comments on this.
2:09:44
SPEAKER_27: Um the left-wing activist network behind the nationwide No Kings protests has expanded its political battlefield to include artificial intelligence, data centers, flock license plate cameras.
2:09:56
SPEAKER_27: This is according to a new report examining the group's funding and messaging driving the campaigns.
2:10:01
SPEAKER_27: Wow.
2:10:02
SPEAKER_27: The overlap comes from, and we've talked about this individual before, Neville Roy Singman.
2:10:07
SPEAKER_27: Or Singham, Singham, is that what it is?
2:10:10
SPEAKER_27: Neville Roy Singham.
2:10:11
SPEAKER_27: He's a Connecticut-born tech entrepreneur who moved to Shanghai and has emerged as a major funder of the American Marxist and left-wing organizations.
2:10:19
SPEAKER_27: He's kind of like a lower-tier Soros.
2:10:22
SPEAKER_27: Sure.
2:10:22
SPEAKER_27: He's another one of these, you know, these heads of the snake.
2:10:26
SPEAKER_27: Uh, there's a lot of them out there.
2:10:27
SPEAKER_27: Uh Singham and organizations he has supported have denied acting at the direction of the Chinese government or any political party.
2:10:35
SPEAKER_27: A new report commissioned by Consumer Action for a Strong Economy shows that activists have increasingly connected opposition to data centers and concerns about artificial intelligence, policing, immigration enforcement, energy consumption, uh consumption, and surveillance.
2:10:50
SPEAKER_27: So just to reiterate, No King's Network has been exposed as a major force behind the data center and flock opposition specifically, because those are the ones that probably have gotten talked about the most here.
2:11:01
SPEAKER_27: Um, and as I said earlier, just to sort of clarify my point on this, um it doesn't it doesn't undermine individuals' concerns over flock cameras or artificial intelligence or data centers.
2:11:15
SPEAKER_27: But it is noteworthy that when you're seeing the opposition online, just be aware that what you're seeing may not be true to its intent in terms of them trying to influence, whether it's organizations like this, whether it is China that is seeking to further divide the American public.
2:11:33
SPEAKER_27: Again, I know people have very legitimate concerns over all of these issues I'd mentioned, but just be aware that what you're seeing online that's pushing a lot of this, even individuals and people that you think would be legitimate voices, can often be, you know, run by these left wing organizations, paid individuals that are trying to soak division here in the United States.
2:11:54
SPEAKER_27: So uh we can go around the room, Grace.
2:11:55
SPEAKER_27: Did you have a comment on this?
2:11:56
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, I mean, I feel like it's becoming kind of an open secret that those Issues specifically are in some ways being manufactured or blown up more than they would have been organically.
2:12:08
SPEAKER_30: And to your point, John, like yes, people still have legitimate concerns about those two issues, but the level of outrage that is being seen online, I think it's becoming more and more clear that that is being created, generated by some third entity, whether that's China, whether that's someone just wanting to influence um the election or the or the political landscape here in America or just divide us.
2:12:33
SPEAKER_30: I mean, you could have any number of reasons um for wanting to generate more controversy.
2:12:37
SPEAKER_30: But um I think that this is only the tip of the iceberg.
2:12:40
SPEAKER_30: I think that we're probably gonna learn more and more about that.
2:12:44
SPEAKER_29: For me, and I I I know at the beginning of the show when we brought up that this was gonna be a topic that we talked about, that I had kind of maybe a dissenting opinion.
2:12:51
SPEAKER_29: And I think maybe my dissenting opinion actually is in alignment, John, with what you're saying.
2:12:57
SPEAKER_29: Where I think stories like this, I'm gonna be honest, I think they're cope.
2:13:02
SPEAKER_29: I I don't believe them most of the time, that there's any significant influence from some foreign government about any specific issue.
2:13:10
SPEAKER_29: It reminds me a lot of Russia influenced the election by running Facebook ads in 2016.
2:13:17
SPEAKER_29: And does that happen with every issue?
2:13:19
SPEAKER_29: Certainly.
2:13:21
SPEAKER_29: Is it the nexus for the public opinion on these issues?
2:13:25
SPEAKER_29: I say absolutely not.
2:13:28
SPEAKER_29: At the height of Metro Surge, there was a poll that came out where people had a less favorable opinion of data centers and artificial intelligence than they did about ICE.
2:13:38
SPEAKER_29: ICE was more favorable during the height of Metro Surge than AI data centers were.
2:13:43
SPEAKER_29: The polling has come out and said that people would rather have a coal plant in their backyard than have a data center.
2:13:50
SPEAKER_29: And there's two different issues here, right?
2:13:53
SPEAKER_29: So with flock cameras, I think there's an acute sense, and I actually think less people are concerned about flock cameras than about the data center issue.
2:14:01
SPEAKER_29: But with flock cameras, there's this thought that it is intrusive, it is kind of mass surveillance, that to tomorrow's law-abiding citizen or today's law-abiding citizen is tomorrow's criminal when you have a system that's in place like flock cameras.
2:14:15
SPEAKER_29: With the data centers, okay, there is such a visceral reaction to that that you could have an education campaign about maybe the benefits of data centers in a community, but that education process is going to take a decade.
2:14:32
SPEAKER_29: The politics of it, the reality of it is right now.
2:14:36
SPEAKER_29: And what you are telling people is you are you are entering people into a prisoner's dilemma because people are saying, I don't want this in my neighborhood, I don't want the noise, I don't want the inconvenience.
2:14:47
SPEAKER_29: But then also, if I have a data center built in my neighborhood, what is this data center going to be used for?
2:14:54
SPEAKER_29: Ultimately, all of the AI giants, all of the tech giants have been on record the last two years saying that we want to replace you, we want to replace human flourishing with machines.
2:15:06
SPEAKER_29: These things will help your, will will help us take your job.
2:15:12
SPEAKER_29: And when you're a voter, when you're the average person, what are you supposed to think of that?
2:15:16
SPEAKER_29: Not only do you want not want this big eyesore in your neighborhood, and we can have the discussion about actual resources that these data centers are using, but I don't want this in my neighborhood.
2:15:27
SPEAKER_29: I don't want the noise.
2:15:28
SPEAKER_29: And then, oh, by the way, what is the benefit to me and my family?
2:15:32
SPEAKER_29: Well, the benefit, dear citizen, is that we're gonna take your job.
2:15:37
SPEAKER_29: That's you you can say, well, that's all gusto and that's all perception.
2:15:44
SPEAKER_29: Well, guess what?
2:15:44
SPEAKER_29: Elections are decided on, right?
2:15:47
SPEAKER_29: It is decided on perception of an issue.
2:15:50
SPEAKER_29: And if Republicans don't get smart about the way that you approach data centers specifically, we are going to get our lunch eaten on the issue, this election, and for elections to come.
2:16:00
SPEAKER_29: And I say this on traditional radio right now, on some other media outlets, right next door, you have Tom Tiffany, the Republican candidate for governor, attacking the Democrat on being too friendly for tax breaks for data centers.
2:16:16
SPEAKER_29: That's happening right now.
2:16:17
SPEAKER_29: Do you think he would be doing that if they didn't have polling on that issue?
2:16:20
SPEAKER_29: He's gonna be on the show Monday, by the way.
2:16:22
SPEAKER_29: He's a great guy.
2:16:23
SPEAKER_29: I think he's a wonderful candidate.
2:16:24
SPEAKER_29: But then meanwhile, you have Amy Klobishar, right?
2:16:27
SPEAKER_29: Amy Klobishar, we are allowing her right now to skate by on that issue.
2:16:31
SPEAKER_29: We are not holding her to account about how she feels about massive AI data centers being built in your backyard, consuming local resources.
2:16:40
SPEAKER_29: But then also Amy Klobishar has taken hundreds, hundreds of thousands of dollars from tech giants, Google, Meta, all of these tech giants Amy Klobishar has taken money from.
2:16:51
SPEAKER_29: And we are not holding her to account because we're not willing to pivot on this issue because I think we want to be we want, I am a I'm a free market guy.
2:17:03
SPEAKER_29: I think we want to protect the free market.
2:17:05
SPEAKER_29: That's not what's happening with these data centers.
2:17:08
SPEAKER_29: In most cases, they're getting massive tax breaks, they're getting massive regulation breaks that your average small business owner doesn't get.
2:17:15
SPEAKER_29: And I've said it before, but I feel like in Minnesota specifically, sorry, I'm ranting, I'm getting on my soapbox.
2:17:21
SPEAKER_29: Um, but in Minnesota specifically, to me, data centers feel like economic Ozempic, right?
2:17:27
SPEAKER_29: Interesting.
2:17:28
SPEAKER_29: Because we do not have a fundamentally good economy for all businesses.
2:17:32
SPEAKER_29: We are not doing the important hard work to make our business environment better.
2:17:37
SPEAKER_29: Instead, we're we're basically just saying, all right, tech giant, come in and save our local economies instead of reducing the number of mandates we have on local businesses, opening up our mining sector in Minnesota.
2:17:48
SPEAKER_29: Why do data centers get to jump the line for economic benefit when our just fundamental mainstream businesses don't?
2:17:56
SPEAKER_29: That I I'm just telling, I'm telling you guys that it is organic.
2:18:02
SPEAKER_29: The opposition to data centers is organic.
2:18:05
SPEAKER_29: I have had enough conversations with people where they there are even Republican voters who are just like, I don't want this, I don't want my job to get taken away.
2:18:13
SPEAKER_29: And that is perception is reality in politics, and we got to adjust on that messaging.
2:18:18
SPEAKER_29: You know what that was?
2:18:20
SPEAKER_08: Faith M energy.
2:18:23
SPEAKER_29: That energy.
2:18:30
SPEAKER_28: Hold on, it's the remix.
2:18:35
SPEAKER_08: This is a public service announcement.
2:18:38
SPEAKER_08: Anyone dressed in a touch in this outfit?
2:18:45
SPEAKER_29: I like this part.
2:18:50
SPEAKER_15: Hey, John Person, Tucson.
2:18:53
SPEAKER_15: Mega Ditto's to you and all the crew.
2:18:56
SPEAKER_15: I was like Fridays because there's so much diversity in the ages and the backgrounds of everybody.
2:19:02
SPEAKER_15: How many people there know what the mega dittoes is?
2:19:06
SPEAKER_22: Yeah, I do.
2:19:07
SPEAKER_15: Have a great weekend.
2:19:08
SPEAKER_15: Thank you.
2:19:08
SPEAKER_15: Oh, Rushbo.
2:19:09
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:19:10
SPEAKER_27: Rush Limbaugh.
2:19:10
SPEAKER_27: Shout out to Rush Limbaugh.
2:19:11
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:19:11
SPEAKER_27: Rush Limbaugh used to do mega dittos.
2:19:13
SPEAKER_27: That's what he would say.
2:19:14
SPEAKER_27: He did that.
2:19:15
SPEAKER_27: He did that because uh it I guess I've dealt with the I've dealt with something similar because uh most talk show hosts do.
2:19:21
SPEAKER_27: He he did that to dispense with um the uh individuals calling in or leaving messages going through the the typical story, hey, love the show, first time caller, long time listener, rush brilliant as he was, shorten that.
2:19:36
SPEAKER_27: I was just like, hey, when you do that, just say mega dittoes.
2:19:38
SPEAKER_27: Meaning, because you guys all agree.
2:19:39
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:19:39
SPEAKER_27: So anyway, uh AK, I you you you your head was bobbing in the middle of uh of Max's rant.
2:19:45
SPEAKER_27: Would you like to share some thoughts before we dive into another AI-related uh story that didn't go so well for a couple of hikers?
2:19:52
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I love Max.
2:19:53
SPEAKER_05: I love you, brother.
2:19:54
SPEAKER_05: I'm legitimately on the exact opposite side of him.
2:19:58
SPEAKER_05: Um, I recognize everything that he's saying, but here's to me, as someone that uh loves history, the best way to propagandize a population is to find an issue that makes people passionate and then control the narrative.
2:20:15
SPEAKER_05: And so I actually don't think that you know, having the Chinese Communist Party fund these types of anti-data center or data center, however you want.
2:20:25
SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm more of a I'm a data guy, I'm not a data guy, but uh to to fund that.
2:20:30
SPEAKER_05: And I think that that's what a good propaganda machine does.
2:20:34
SPEAKER_05: You find an issue that people are rightly concerned about, and uh, for all the reasons that you mentioned, those are all true.
2:20:43
SPEAKER_05: However, I take a step back and I look at things from a global political standpoint, it's a critical resource data centers are.
2:20:53
SPEAKER_05: And the question is in this uh political reality that we live in versus the economic reality that we live in, can we afford to lose the political fight or can we afford to lose the economic fight?
2:21:08
SPEAKER_05: And it sucks because it's like I guess you can win the political fight and we can jump on and everyone's anti-data center, but China uh will succeed us.
2:21:18
SPEAKER_05: And I think that the administration realizes that this is a critical resource that the United States needs to be in control of moving forward.
2:21:27
SPEAKER_05: And so we're stuck in this weird position where it's like, do we want to continue to be dominant in these areas or are we going to cede that because it's politically unpopular?
2:21:38
SPEAKER_05: Welcome to, I guess, American political discourse.
2:21:41
SPEAKER_05: Because the reason that the DSA is as effective as they are is because there's economic realities that we've had to deal with of how do we get our economy back to a you know pre-COVID era of where we're controlling these things.
2:21:56
SPEAKER_05: But I think that it's a larger analysis of when we started to move on, and I'm a free market capitalist guy, but when we don't recognize that having a free market with international players that are rigging those systems to actually benefit themselves and hurt the United States is how we ended up here in the first place.
2:22:15
SPEAKER_05: The fact that all of our goods come from China, are manufactured in China.
2:22:19
SPEAKER_05: We're still trying to figure out how to claw that back.
2:22:22
SPEAKER_05: And I think that the data centers fall into that same category.
2:22:25
SPEAKER_05: Um, you know, flock cameras, I think, is a kind of an entirely different conversation, but that's kind of where I fall is like, I think that the president and the administration is correct on this issue, but you are right, Max.
2:22:38
SPEAKER_05: Politically, it is untenable.
2:22:40
SPEAKER_05: And I just don't, I don't have a good answer.
2:22:42
SPEAKER_05: And we talked about this at the last RNC meeting.
2:22:45
SPEAKER_05: We were like, what do how do we message this?
2:22:48
SPEAKER_05: And it's like, I don't know because my constituents are telling me they're anti-data center, and the administration is saying that they're pro-data center.
2:22:55
SPEAKER_05: So what do we do as national committee members?
2:22:58
SPEAKER_05: And it's hard because it's like, I'm trying to convince people that this is a good thing, but I'm really on the back end, and people are like, oh, you're just pro big tech and don't you understand what this is gonna do?
2:23:09
SPEAKER_27: Ultimately, there's no ultimately there's no good, there's no good answers.
2:23:13
SPEAKER_27: Because I think there's there's points to be made here on what you both said.
2:23:16
SPEAKER_27: The problem with the issue in my view, because I think I probably lean a little bit more towards AK, but even then, I'm hesitant to say that because I agree with some points that Max you made as well.
2:23:25
SPEAKER_27: The the problem in my view is that this is a very specific, a regional specific issue.
2:23:30
SPEAKER_27: I think you're right.
2:23:31
SPEAKER_27: When it comes to some to certain data centers here in Minnesota, probably not conducive based off the other issues that we're dealing with.
2:23:37
SPEAKER_27: They're coming, there's no stopping it.
2:23:40
SPEAKER_27: We're in a race, an AI race with adversaries, whether it's Canada, whether it's China.
2:23:46
SPEAKER_27: And as we've talked about weekly on Tuesday mornings with David Gart and Stein Ross, when it comes to these data centers, there's a lot of benefit, especially to these smaller rural towns that have the energy infrastructure that could support a data center and it could revitalize these towns.
2:24:02
SPEAKER_27: So for me, it's more of a regional issue, which makes it really difficult when you're having a national conversation or even a state-level conversation, because everybody wants to make it and come to sort of one solid narrative conclusion on the issue.
2:24:16
SPEAKER_27: And it's just not that simple because in some places it could be incredibly beneficial.
2:24:20
SPEAKER_27: It could revitalize entire regions.
2:24:22
SPEAKER_27: But in other places, Max, again to your point, it could be very detrimental in light of other policies that we're not getting a grip on here in Minnesota.
2:24:30
SPEAKER_27: So it's a complicated issue that we need to need to continue to have a discussion over.
2:24:34
SPEAKER_27: And Grace, did you want to add something to this?
2:24:36
SPEAKER_30: No, just that I think one of the most persuasive um points on data centers for me is the national security standpoint.
2:24:43
SPEAKER_30: I've like uh, you know, others have said, these are coming.
2:24:46
SPEAKER_30: We're going to be relying on them even more as a country 10 years from now, five years from now, than we are now.
2:24:52
SPEAKER_30: And if we don't build them here, we'll be using other countries' centers for this storage.
2:24:57
SPEAKER_30: And that is that is a real concern.
2:24:59
SPEAKER_30: And so I agree to the point of you know, economics, I am you know free market myself.
2:25:05
SPEAKER_30: But when there's national security risks concerned, I mean, they're uh the conversation shifts a little bit for me.
2:25:12
SPEAKER_27: Before we go back to, I do want to play some comments from the blaster line.
2:25:15
SPEAKER_27: Max, did you want to you want to toss something in here in the middle of uh their conversation?
2:25:18
SPEAKER_29: No, I just I I was thinking about how I responded to the question, and I I don't want to make it seem like it's all about politics, right?
2:25:26
SPEAKER_29: Because I I do understand there's a practical reality that sometimes you have to do things that are unpopular in order to advance your society, right?
2:25:32
SPEAKER_29: It's like when there was horse and buggy and the car came around, I'm sure there was opposition to the car.
2:25:37
SPEAKER_29: The printing press.
2:25:38
SPEAKER_29: No, yeah, the printing printing press, same way.
2:25:39
SPEAKER_29: Emerging technology always has opposition.
2:25:42
SPEAKER_29: I tend to think that what sets us apart and what's going to set us apart in the future is not necessarily our AI advancements or our capacity to handle data.
2:25:52
SPEAKER_29: China's got a population right now that is basically collapsing.
2:25:56
SPEAKER_29: I mean when you for the longest time you had the one child per household policy, uh, the the number of men uh are way more than the number of women in China.
2:26:07
SPEAKER_29: Like they have some really severe human problems that are happening in China.
2:26:11
SPEAKER_29: So I tend to think that when we shut down our own existing industries or hinder them, for instance, the critical mineral mining in Minnesota, I would want to see that be a priority because I tend to think that call it 20, 30, 50 years from now, we will not be talking about AI or the lack of AI in a country.
2:26:33
SPEAKER_29: We will be talking about the lack of human flourishing or the lack of human capacity.
2:26:37
SPEAKER_29: I think that is our real strategic advantage in America.
2:26:41
SPEAKER_29: And you have to have industries and energy production that that is what will let you rule the day.
2:26:49
SPEAKER_29: It's not AI itself, it's not building data centers to make sure you have control of the data centers because we might be looking at a China in a hundred years that basically doesn't have human beings.
2:26:59
SPEAKER_29: You know, who's running who's running the data centers in China?
2:27:02
SPEAKER_29: And I just want to make the point again that I think our real strength in America comes from the human worker and it comes from the industry in energy production that we can have if we choose to have it.
2:27:16
SPEAKER_29: Because we can we can be the world's exporter of energy.
2:27:20
SPEAKER_29: We can power their data centers if they if they so choose.
2:27:24
SPEAKER_29: But for us to basically say this specific tech industry gets to leapfrog all of our other businesses, I think is both bad politics and I think it's bad, uh, it's a bad long-term outlook on the economic future of our country.
2:27:37
SPEAKER_05: And the last little thing, I agree that you're you're right on that regard.
2:27:42
SPEAKER_05: But I actually see that our failure to capture critical minerals and be the actual leader on critical minerals is exactly this point played out.
2:27:52
SPEAKER_05: We dropped the ball and we were like, we'll let China and Africa, Sub-Saharan, you know, Nigeria, the Congo, we'll let them do all of the cobalt, palladium, all those rare earth metals.
2:28:03
SPEAKER_05: We'll let them do it because it's them and it's gonna destroy our nation, it's gonna destroy our economies, it's gonna destroy our environment.
2:28:09
SPEAKER_05: I know a little bit different, but that to me is what I see data centers.
2:28:13
SPEAKER_05: That if we don't grab it now, we will be trying to clot back like we have been.
2:28:17
SPEAKER_05: And in Minnesota, we've been talking about this polymet and all the different iterations of this critical mineral mine.
2:28:23
SPEAKER_05: And the left, they have really captured that.
2:28:26
SPEAKER_05: And people are like, even on the right, I love the boundary waters.
2:28:29
SPEAKER_05: It's amazing.
2:28:30
SPEAKER_05: And if we have these mines here, it's gonna destroy everything.
2:28:34
SPEAKER_05: Meanwhile, China's like, yeah, yeah, no, keep telling them, like, yeah, it's bad.
2:28:38
SPEAKER_05: But I know it's different, but that's how I see it.
2:28:41
SPEAKER_05: And that's my I love you, Max.
2:28:43
SPEAKER_05: You're you're my friend.
2:28:44
SPEAKER_27: By the way, critic critical minerals, racehorse, right?
2:28:47
SPEAKER_27: Not rock band, critical minerals.
2:28:49
SPEAKER_27: Critical minerals.
2:28:49
SPEAKER_27: No, that could be that's that that's got rock band vibes.
2:28:52
SPEAKER_29: I think so.
2:28:53
SPEAKER_29: I was immediately going racehorse.
2:28:54
SPEAKER_05: Critical minerals, and yeah, I can see that.
2:28:56
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, see, yeah, see, yeah, yeah, maybe racehorse.
2:28:59
SPEAKER_29: Welcoming!
2:29:00
SPEAKER_09: Your favorite band, critical minerals.
2:29:02
SPEAKER_09: We are critical minerals.
2:29:04
SPEAKER_09: It's time to start my head.
2:29:05
SPEAKER_09: What have I done?
2:29:06
SPEAKER_27: What have I done?
2:29:07
SPEAKER_09: I'm doing palladium.
2:29:09
SPEAKER_39: Happy Freedom Friday crew.
2:29:10
SPEAKER_39: Just wanted to let you know that the data centers are extremely nuanced as well.
2:29:16
SPEAKER_39: For instance, I work for a local Fortune 250 financial services firm.
2:29:23
SPEAKER_39: Think of that what you want.
2:29:25
SPEAKER_39: Uh we are very often under hack attack.
2:29:28
SPEAKER_39: And we are able now, because of various data centers across the country, able when we see one attack coming in, to switch everything over to a different location or a different server farm.
2:29:42
SPEAKER_39: And with a very little disruption, you might have noticed like a glitch where for some reason you just didn't connect and you just go back and do it again and it connects.
2:29:49
SPEAKER_39: That's how seamless it is because of data centers and server farms across the country.
2:29:57
SPEAKER_39: So I know people are freaked out because of AI and they think that their jobs are going to get replaced.
2:30:02
SPEAKER_39: But let me just tell you, the people who are going to get replaced are the people who don't learn how to use AI as their coworker.
2:30:10
SPEAKER_39: All right.
2:30:10
SPEAKER_39: So that's it.
2:30:12
SPEAKER_39: Have a great weekend.
2:30:12
SPEAKER_39: Bye-bye.
2:30:13
SPEAKER_27: Thank you so much for the uh blast.
2:30:15
SPEAKER_27: Definitely appreciate it.
2:30:17
SPEAKER_27: You can leave a voice or text message to the new blaster line at 651-964-0294.
2:30:22
SPEAKER_27: All right, let's go here.
2:30:23
SPEAKER_27: Keeping with the I, the uh AI theme.
2:30:25
SPEAKER_27: That was a great discussion, by the way.
2:30:27
SPEAKER_27: And then we keep on Pat everybody pat themselves.
2:30:29
SPEAKER_27: You know what?
2:30:30
SPEAKER_27: We can go.
2:30:30
SPEAKER_27: Well, let me just go ahead and we'll give uh we'll give everybody here a uh collective round of applause.
2:30:36
SPEAKER_27: There you go.
2:30:37
SPEAKER_27: Way to go, everybody.
2:30:38
SPEAKER_27: We did it.
2:30:38
SPEAKER_27: We did it.
2:30:39
SPEAKER_27: We solved it.
2:30:40
SPEAKER_27: It's not just sexual.
2:30:42
SPEAKER_27: We solved it.
2:30:43
SPEAKER_26: We solved it.
2:30:49
SPEAKER_27: All right.
2:30:51
SPEAKER_27: Shut shut up, crowd.
2:30:53
SPEAKER_27: Three California college students had to be rescued from Mount Shasta on Monday during a poorly planned uh summit climb in which they overshot their itinerary, meandered off-route, and ran out of food and water.
2:31:08
SPEAKER_27: According to authorities with the county and the U.S.
2:31:11
SPEAKER_27: Forest Service, the novice climbers from Roseville, California said that they had entrusted Google's AI tool, Gemini.
2:31:19
SPEAKER_27: Oh no.
2:31:20
SPEAKER_27: No way.
2:31:22
SPEAKER_30: Was it hallucinating?
2:31:23
SPEAKER_30: Trails where there were none.
2:31:25
SPEAKER_30: Oh my gosh.
2:31:26
SPEAKER_27: They they utilized Gemini to help them craft key logistics of their trip.
2:31:30
SPEAKER_27: The best route up the mountain to the types of food they should pack and how much water they should carry with them.
2:31:36
SPEAKER_27: Oh my god.
2:31:36
SPEAKER_27: The County Sheriff's Office called relying on artificial intelligence tools doing that thing with my fingers, a critical misstep.
2:31:44
SPEAKER_30: Oh, racetracking uh racehorse or band, critical misstep.
2:31:49
SPEAKER_29: That's a brace horse.
2:31:50
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
2:31:50
SPEAKER_30: For sure.
2:31:51
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, yeah.
2:31:51
SPEAKER_29: That's a band racehorse.
2:31:53
SPEAKER_29: That's an unlucky racehorse name.
2:31:55
SPEAKER_05: To me, that's a band again.
2:31:56
SPEAKER_05: That's that's a critical misstep is good too.
2:31:58
SPEAKER_27: But that is okay, so if it's a band, that is definitely like in the bar, in the corner, chicken wire all, throw a beer bottle, and we leave.
2:32:06
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that is one time I was on The Voice season eight.
2:32:09
SPEAKER_05: You know, I made top 15.
2:32:12
SPEAKER_27: I've been a part of critical misstep for 15 years.
2:32:15
SPEAKER_05: And that was my critical misstep, man.
2:32:17
SPEAKER_05: I didn't hit that note.
2:32:18
SPEAKER_05: I didn't prepare hard enough, man.
2:32:21
SPEAKER_27: The role of AI in wilderness trip planning is becoming a heated topic of conversation in California's uh North State following a series of instances in which hack uh hikers and campers in the Shasta area became lost or confused after relying on chatbots to help them devise their adventures.
2:32:38
SPEAKER_27: Like, this would be the worst way to use AI because when it comes to this type of terrain, like there would there wouldn't be nearly enough available information, I would think, online or accuracy to go and provide a hiker with any sort of relevant comprehensive information regarding their camping trip.
2:32:55
SPEAKER_29: You're going on a hike.
2:32:57
SPEAKER_29: Put your phone down.
2:32:59
SPEAKER_29: Why do you need technology when you're going for a hike?
2:33:03
SPEAKER_27: Well, maybe they maybe they maybe they printed everything up.
2:33:06
SPEAKER_27: Maybe they maybe they just use it for the planning, right?
2:33:09
SPEAKER_30: Were they walking around in the woods holding up challenges?
2:33:12
SPEAKER_27: I don't think they were doing that.
2:33:13
SPEAKER_27: No.
2:33:13
SPEAKER_05: Does the story say how long they'd been on the hike?
2:33:16
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, so I can get into more of it.
2:33:18
SPEAKER_27: Okay, so let's get into an hour and a half.
2:33:19
SPEAKER_27: I know.
2:33:20
SPEAKER_27: Like we're out of water, man.
2:33:22
SPEAKER_05: It's been four hours dying.
2:33:24
SPEAKER_05: I am starving.
2:33:26
SPEAKER_27: So Nick Myers, the lead climbing ranger with the U.S.
2:33:29
SPEAKER_27: Forest Service and director of Mount Shafta, Mount Shasta's Avalanche Center, said, uh, it's a new but worrisome problem.
2:33:35
SPEAKER_27: This is the first year that we've started to have some AI fallout, if you will.
2:33:39
SPEAKER_27: People are using it for trip planning.
2:33:41
SPEAKER_27: Hey, can I do this up here?
2:33:42
SPEAKER_27: It's not always correct.
2:33:43
SPEAKER_27: Now, earlier this summer, rangers in the Shasta Trinity National Forest found a woman camping in an off limits area on the south side of Shasta, clearly marked with no camping signage.
2:33:55
SPEAKER_27: Uh, she told the Rangers that she asked ChatGPT where she could camp in the forest.
2:34:00
SPEAKER_27: And AI told me that I could camp here.
2:34:02
SPEAKER_27: Oh, dude.
2:34:03
SPEAKER_27: Maybe that's why all those homeless people at the at the PBA encampment they told AI and they moved behind those luxury apartments.
2:34:09
SPEAKER_27: Not that reason at all, by the way.
2:34:11
SPEAKER_27: Um, then in August, while hiking in Shass's popular bunny flat area, a man stopped Rangers to ask directions.
2:34:17
SPEAKER_27: He showed them a printout map he'd been following and explained that he'd prompted Chat GPD to produce it for him.
2:34:23
SPEAKER_30: No, wait, he had he had AI make a map for him.
2:34:27
SPEAKER_30: Right.
2:34:28
SPEAKER_30: That is insane.
2:34:29
SPEAKER_30: How lazy insane.
2:34:31
SPEAKER_30: You gotta be.
2:34:31
SPEAKER_30: What?
2:34:32
SPEAKER_30: That is crazy.
2:34:34
SPEAKER_30: Exactly.
2:34:35
SPEAKER_30: What time are you saving here?
2:34:36
SPEAKER_05: It's gonna sound like I'm changing my position, but I will say that AI's iteration of what it can do now just lies to you to complete the query and give you an answer.
2:34:47
SPEAKER_05: It's confident and wrong.
2:34:49
SPEAKER_29: The hallucinating is a problem.
2:34:51
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and the thing that people are not using AI correctly for, it's an additional tool.
2:34:57
SPEAKER_05: It's not God or a Bible.
2:35:00
SPEAKER_05: And even though I think we talk about AI as though it has ascendant, you know, it is ascendant, it's not yet.
2:35:06
SPEAKER_05: We're talking about the future.
2:35:07
SPEAKER_05: So if you ask chat GPT a question, it lies to you all the time.
2:35:12
SPEAKER_05: I've actually saved grot conversations that were trying to gaslight me, telling me that things that actually happened that I prompted it and asked it about to create images never were created.
2:35:24
SPEAKER_05: I asked it to create an image of Tim Walls with Down syndrome and it wouldn't do it.
2:35:31
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
2:35:32
SPEAKER_05: And it said it wouldn't, it said it wouldn't do it because it can't depict, it can't depict elected officials doing things.
2:35:40
SPEAKER_05: And I was like, you created an image of Tim Walls as a Vikings cheerleader.
2:35:44
SPEAKER_05: It said, no, I didn't.
2:35:45
SPEAKER_05: And I shared a screenshot and it said, that's an AI created image.
2:35:49
SPEAKER_05: I did not create this.
2:35:50
SPEAKER_05: I'm like, you're the AI that created it.
2:35:52
SPEAKER_05: It was trying to gaslight me, man.
2:35:55
SPEAKER_05: Anyways.
2:35:56
SPEAKER_27: Why were you?
2:35:57
SPEAKER_27: Do I even want to ask why you were trying to create?
2:35:59
SPEAKER_27: I mean, I know you know what?
2:36:01
SPEAKER_29: There was like a thousand different things that I was waiting to come out of your mouth, and that was uh number 1001, actually.
2:36:07
SPEAKER_29: It would have been a great image, and it just wouldn't do it.
2:36:10
SPEAKER_29: I said Michael Scott earlier.
2:36:11
SPEAKER_29: Do you guys remember the office I was at?
2:36:13
SPEAKER_29: Of course.
2:36:14
SPEAKER_29: Where he drives into the water.
2:36:15
SPEAKER_29: The computer, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:36:17
SPEAKER_29: Where he drives into the water.
2:36:18
SPEAKER_29: This is literally that.
2:36:20
SPEAKER_27: But I mean, listen, hold on, hold on real quick.
2:36:23
SPEAKER_27: I need to back up just 90 seconds.
2:36:24
SPEAKER_27: Grace, confident and wrong, rock band or razor.
2:36:29
SPEAKER_30: Oh my gosh.
2:36:30
SPEAKER_30: Rock band, right?
2:36:31
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, yeah.
2:36:32
SPEAKER_27: That is uh also the way Melinda describes me quite often.
2:36:35
SPEAKER_27: Confident and wrong.
2:36:36
SPEAKER_27: Confident and wrong.
2:36:37
SPEAKER_27: Yep.
2:36:37
SPEAKER_30: Could be a good show name.
2:36:39
SPEAKER_30: Yes.
2:36:40
SPEAKER_30: I just think it's a good thing.
2:36:41
SPEAKER_29: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Max.
2:36:42
SPEAKER_29: I keep cutting you off this one.
2:36:43
SPEAKER_29: What a dark, what a dark future we're living in where it's like, I want to go out and be in nature, but in order to do that, I must consult my technology god for where to camp.
2:36:53
SPEAKER_29: I'm so and developing a map for me.
2:36:55
SPEAKER_27: I mean, my guys, touch grass, man.
2:36:58
SPEAKER_27: I've been on a I've been on an 80, nine eighties and nineties sci-fi kick uh as of late.
2:37:02
SPEAKER_27: I'm so watching Terminator 2 Judgment Day tonight.
2:37:05
SPEAKER_27: All right, so the trio of climbers.
2:37:06
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah.
2:37:07
SPEAKER_27: We have the story here.
2:37:07
SPEAKER_27: We haven't gotten to those guys yet.
2:37:09
SPEAKER_27: So on Saturday, the trio of climbers, all from California, they left the clear the Clear Creek Trailhead at Shasta's southeastern side with a plan to camp part way up before making a summit push early Sunday morning.
2:37:20
SPEAKER_27: And this is, by the way, just they make it like this.
2:37:23
SPEAKER_27: The way that this is laid out, it's like they're it's like they're traversing Everest.
2:37:26
SPEAKER_27: It's not.
2:37:26
SPEAKER_27: It's like Mount Shasta's big, but it's not that big for crying out loud.
2:37:29
SPEAKER_27: Anyway, I'm sorry.
2:37:30
SPEAKER_27: I just watched that recently.
2:37:31
SPEAKER_27: So anyway.
2:37:32
SPEAKER_27: Um, so they had a plan to camp halfway up.
2:37:35
SPEAKER_27: They asked Google Gemini for specific guidance, researched the climb on YouTube, and then planned to use the All Trails phone app to navigate the giant peak.
2:37:44
SPEAKER_27: So, Grace, to your question, yes, they were still using their phones.
2:37:47
SPEAKER_27: Ah Clear Creek is a popular late summer route because when it melts out, it offers the climbers a non-technical way up the peak.
2:37:56
SPEAKER_27: It can be done in hiking boots without ice axes or uh crampoons.
2:38:01
SPEAKER_27: Crampons?
2:38:03
SPEAKER_05: Is that what Tim Walls uses?
2:38:05
SPEAKER_27: Oh crampons.
2:38:06
SPEAKER_27: Oh my gosh.
2:38:07
SPEAKER_27: Rockbander racehorse.
2:38:09
SPEAKER_29: Crampons.
2:38:10
SPEAKER_30: Racehorse.
2:38:11
SPEAKER_30: What is a crampon?
2:38:14
SPEAKER_30: I don't know.
2:38:15
SPEAKER_30: Isn't it the stuff that cramp onto your boots?
2:38:17
SPEAKER_30: In your boots that give you it's like little metal things that Oh, is that really what it is?
2:38:22
SPEAKER_30: That's my guess.
2:38:23
SPEAKER_30: That's my guess.
2:38:23
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
2:38:24
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:38:24
SPEAKER_27: Somebody get the get that uh Minneapolis Parkboard uh finance committee person on.
2:38:30
SPEAKER_27: Maybe they know what a crampon is.
2:38:31
SPEAKER_29: We're having another RZR moment or whatever.
2:38:34
SPEAKER_29: Mr.
2:38:35
SPEAKER_29: Zerb.
2:38:36
SPEAKER_29: Mr.
2:38:36
SPEAKER_29: Zer.
2:38:37
SPEAKER_29: We are gonna have another uh couple blasts that are going, you guys are more.
2:38:42
SPEAKER_29: You just made fun of a girl for not knowing your numbers and you don't know what cramp on is.
2:38:49
SPEAKER_27: You're talking about cleats.
2:38:51
SPEAKER_30: Well, but they're a little more intense.
2:38:53
SPEAKER_27: Comprehensive.
2:38:54
SPEAKER_29: Okay, I get my cramp on when I eat too much Taco Bell.
2:38:57
SPEAKER_29: Serious.
2:38:58
SPEAKER_28: I have my cramp on this morning for crying out loud.
2:39:00
SPEAKER_27: All right.
2:39:01
SPEAKER_27: It's an eight-mile journey that gains 6,500 feet in elevation and guides a caution that it's not to be taken lightly.
2:39:09
SPEAKER_27: The climbers reach the summit on set on Sunday evening, far later than the mid-afternoon turnaround time recommended for the Shasta climbing experts.
2:39:16
SPEAKER_27: They clumsily navigated the mountain's rugged volcanic terrain by following the line of a digital map on the All Trails phone app, misreading it as a way of an established trail.
2:39:28
SPEAKER_30: Wait a minute.
2:39:28
SPEAKER_30: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
2:39:29
SPEAKER_30: All trails is not AI, though.
2:39:33
SPEAKER_05: Right?
2:39:33
SPEAKER_05: No, no.
2:39:34
SPEAKER_05: They used AI for what their supplies were supposed to be.
2:39:38
SPEAKER_05: How much food, water, stuff like that.
2:39:41
SPEAKER_30: But didn't it create a map too?
2:39:43
SPEAKER_05: I believe that it did.
2:39:44
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
2:39:45
SPEAKER_30: Because this, this at this point in the story, it sounds like this is user error misreading an app that has nothing to do with AI.
2:39:52
SPEAKER_27: So let me go back to the beginning.
2:39:53
SPEAKER_27: So they asked Gemini to help them craft the key logistics of their trip, the best route up the mountain, the food they should pack, the water they should carry with them.
2:40:02
SPEAKER_27: So it was a combination.
2:40:03
SPEAKER_27: So they used Gemini to plan.
2:40:05
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
2:40:06
SPEAKER_27: But then we're using the all uh trails app, which reverse the mountain.
2:40:10
SPEAKER_29: User generated, where your all trails is uh dependent on what other people have done and how they've mapped their routes.
2:40:16
SPEAKER_29: I could be wrong, but I that is my understanding.
2:40:19
SPEAKER_27: Things uh started to go wrong for them during the descent, according to authorities.
2:40:23
SPEAKER_27: The phone they've been using to navigate ran out of battery.
2:40:26
SPEAKER_27: Oh the the spare power pack they brought didn't properly connect to the phone, and by Sunday night, still high up on the mountain, they wound up well off the route.
2:40:35
SPEAKER_27: Oh, dude.
2:40:36
SPEAKER_27: The group called for rescue but had to spend the night camping in the open.
2:40:40
SPEAKER_27: The rangers reached them on Monday morning and found them exhausted, hungry, and thirsty, according to the Forest Service report.
2:40:46
SPEAKER_27: They were short on food and water and light on appropriate mountain uh and light on appropriate mountain apparel and gear.
2:40:53
SPEAKER_27: They'd also camped in a prohibited area near a freshwater spring and left trash and food scraps around their site.
2:40:59
SPEAKER_27: Boy Scouts, they were not, leave no trace.
2:41:01
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
2:41:02
SPEAKER_05: Oh my god.
2:41:02
SPEAKER_05: So they left on a Friday and by Sunday night they're into Monday morning, they're dying.
2:41:08
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
2:41:08
SPEAKER_05: You can survive a week.
2:41:10
SPEAKER_05: Actually, I had this whole conversation.
2:41:12
SPEAKER_05: You you can survive like a month, depending on how fat you are, without food.
2:41:16
SPEAKER_05: You what you need is water.
2:41:18
SPEAKER_05: You need water for sure.
2:41:19
SPEAKER_05: Um, and the amount of water you need, actually, you can use your own water making devices on your own natural body, which is what people have done in like um you know, cavens and stuff like that.
2:41:31
SPEAKER_05: Meaning you can drink your urine.
2:41:32
SPEAKER_05: But uh, sorry, yeah, we got it.
2:41:36
SPEAKER_05: For those that don't know how to read numbers that are watching this, uh, what is he talking about?
2:41:41
SPEAKER_05: I can drink my own stuff.
2:41:42
SPEAKER_05: I don't understand.
2:41:43
SPEAKER_05: That's not very long.
2:41:45
SPEAKER_05: Four days.
2:41:46
SPEAKER_05: How much water did you not pack?
2:41:48
SPEAKER_27: So during uh the hike down, the young climbers revealed to the Rangers that they had relied on AI chatbots to guide their planning.
2:41:55
SPEAKER_27: Authorities noted that it was a key factor in their mishap.
2:41:58
SPEAKER_27: The climbers reported that AI recommended simple carbohydrates for their climb rather than fats because they take too long to digest, according to the official report.
2:42:07
SPEAKER_27: In other words, we relied too much on AI rather than our own critical thinking, of which it didn't sound like they had much of to begin with.
2:42:14
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, this feels like I get why this became an AI story, and it definitely played a part here, but this they also just sound like idiots and messed up many other elements of this expedition.
2:42:24
SPEAKER_27: Kind of sounds like Darwinism should have taken over on the Forest Service underscored the importance of seeking out reliable sources for information, starting with the Mount Shasta Avalanche Center.
2:42:36
SPEAKER_28: So lesson, lesson learned.
2:42:37
SPEAKER_05: You know what's also interesting, too, right?
2:42:40
SPEAKER_05: When you think about what people did before computers, like how would you decide you were gonna hike a mountain?
2:42:47
SPEAKER_05: You go and find a guide, you probably have some conversations, maybe you do some like mini hikes, get familiar with stuff.
2:42:55
SPEAKER_05: It's just like, oh nope, don't gotta do any of that.
2:42:57
SPEAKER_05: I got the internet.
2:42:58
SPEAKER_05: It's like, ah, yeah, you people still have to like practice doing things to become good at it.
2:43:03
SPEAKER_05: But at the same time, maybe that's the point of the AI.
2:43:06
SPEAKER_05: It's it's leading, you know, Darwinism hijacking it and superpowering it.
2:43:11
SPEAKER_05: It's like, yes, we're gonna tell people how to dodge yes.
2:43:14
SPEAKER_29: AI to kill these highs.
2:43:17
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, exactly.
2:43:18
SPEAKER_29: Hey, you guys should not pack any clothes, right?
2:43:21
SPEAKER_29: Right.
2:43:21
SPEAKER_29: You don't need any food or water.
2:43:25
SPEAKER_27: So, AK, uh you just said a what did you just say?
2:43:28
SPEAKER_27: No, yeah, I didn't plan this with AK.
2:43:29
SPEAKER_27: You just said a moment ago practicing to do things, right?
2:43:31
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, okay, right, okay.
2:43:33
SPEAKER_27: I have a list in front of me.
2:43:35
SPEAKER_27: I'm very excited for this.
2:43:36
SPEAKER_27: Before I get to this list, I want to go to this talk back real quick.
2:43:39
SPEAKER_27: This blast 651-964-0294.
2:43:46
SPEAKER_18: Sorry, I've left so many messages.
2:43:48
SPEAKER_18: I don't expect you to play this on the air, but I want you guys to know I got to hear you live today, starting at 6 15.
2:43:55
SPEAKER_18: And you've just made my day.
2:43:56
SPEAKER_18: I'm gonna do a political fash from after the show through the weekend.
2:44:01
SPEAKER_18: I don't listen to politics on the weekends and enjoy time with my wife.
2:44:05
SPEAKER_18: I'm a trucker, but uh anyway.
2:44:07
SPEAKER_18: You got me cracking up this morning.
2:44:09
SPEAKER_18: Man, this is awesome.
2:44:10
SPEAKER_18: I may have to have uh my wife listen to you on the the replay.
2:44:14
SPEAKER_18: Have a great weekend, guys.
2:44:16
SPEAKER_30: That just made my day.
2:44:17
SPEAKER_30: Love it.
2:44:18
SPEAKER_27: So I have a list in front of me.
2:44:19
SPEAKER_27: It is uh people are sharing the uh easy to pick up skills that make anybody look like a genius.
2:44:26
SPEAKER_27: Oh my gosh.
2:44:27
SPEAKER_27: I'll not wait.
2:44:29
SPEAKER_27: So we can go through and find out who knows how to do how to do what.
2:44:32
SPEAKER_27: And Isaac, if you want to partake in this, you can do this as well.
2:44:34
SPEAKER_27: Yes, please.
2:44:35
SPEAKER_27: So this comes off of Reddit.
2:44:36
SPEAKER_27: Wraith one Wraith136 asked, ask Reddit, what is the skill?
2:44:43
SPEAKER_27: What is the skill that it takes less than an hour to learn, but it makes you look like an absolute genius to others?
2:44:50
SPEAKER_27: And because we'd all love to look like geniuses, we wanted to share the top responses.
2:44:54
SPEAKER_30: Okay, Reddit is such a crazy place.
2:44:56
SPEAKER_30: In some ways, is it it is an incredible resource and a way to get your finger on the pulse of the American public.
2:45:02
SPEAKER_29: Number one, pogo stick.
2:45:05
SPEAKER_29: Nothing, nothing, nothing has increased my success with females, like knowing how to pogo stick to.
2:45:12
SPEAKER_30: No one looks dumb on a pogo stick.
2:45:13
SPEAKER_29: True, true that.
2:45:15
SPEAKER_29: Unless you don't know how to pogo, then you're like real dumb.
2:45:17
SPEAKER_29: Or in Catherine's case, on a lime scooter in short shorts.
2:45:22
SPEAKER_29: Number one on the list.
2:45:24
SPEAKER_27: If you like to go camping, learn how to set up tarps with good height, tension, and drainage.
2:45:29
SPEAKER_27: They say this is a game changer and apparently borderline magic too many.
2:45:34
SPEAKER_27: Um, I don't like camping.
2:45:36
SPEAKER_27: I have gone camping.
2:45:38
SPEAKER_27: I am fairly certain that setting up the tarp, putting it a good height, right tension and drainage is AI for that.
2:45:45
SPEAKER_27: Fairly simple.
2:45:45
SPEAKER_27: Uh Grace, you'd think you would have any difficulty?
2:45:47
SPEAKER_30: This just feels so inapplicable to my life.
2:45:50
SPEAKER_30: I was hoping I'd be gaining some concrete.
2:45:53
SPEAKER_27: We have a lot more here, so don't worry.
2:45:55
SPEAKER_30: I yeah, and I remain optimistic.
2:45:56
SPEAKER_30: But this first one, I'm just like, oh, okay.
2:45:58
SPEAKER_29: Max camping.
2:45:59
SPEAKER_29: No, I'll use I'll I'll use Google Gemini for that.
2:46:01
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I mean, uh I think that's just common sense.
2:46:04
SPEAKER_05: Like we have to just use that.
2:46:06
SPEAKER_05: Uh, I don't camp though, because I am deathly afraid of bears, but I will camp in a place if there's no bears.
2:46:11
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
2:46:11
SPEAKER_27: Uh Isaac, you seem like a camper.
2:46:13
SPEAKER_09: I'm not a camper.
2:46:14
SPEAKER_09: Okay, never mind.
2:46:15
SPEAKER_09: My idea of roughing in it is a hotel with bad Wi-Fi.
2:46:17
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
2:46:18
SPEAKER_27: Uh, number two on the list was picking a lock.
2:46:21
SPEAKER_27: If you can get a cheap locking picking kit on Amazon, it comes with a transparent lock and some picking tools.
2:46:26
SPEAKER_27: Once you figure it out, it's ridiculously easy to pick most standard locks.
2:46:30
SPEAKER_27: That is crazy.
2:46:32
SPEAKER_27: Kind of scary.
2:46:33
SPEAKER_27: That's yeah.
2:46:34
SPEAKER_27: We have to do that at my house.
2:46:35
SPEAKER_27: We have uh individuals coming in to remove some dead trees in the backyard, and we have two entry points to the backyard and both, you know, both have gates.
2:46:43
SPEAKER_27: The one on the right side of the there's a lock on it, and we don't have the key.
2:46:48
SPEAKER_27: We've never opened it in 10 years.
2:46:50
SPEAKER_27: So I either have to figure out how to pick the lock or I have to get bold cutters and somebody much stronger than me to go and cut the cut the lock off.
2:46:56
SPEAKER_27: Uh, number four, V Lookup, X lookup on pivot tables, both ways of viewing data in Excel.
2:47:03
SPEAKER_27: Anybody in the room know how to do that?
2:47:05
SPEAKER_30: Uh maybe.
2:47:06
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
2:47:06
SPEAKER_30: That one at least sounds familiar to me.
2:47:08
SPEAKER_30: Probably.
2:47:08
SPEAKER_05: I also know how to pick locks too because of the anarchist cookbook that I downloaded.
2:47:11
SPEAKER_27: Oh yeah, I guess I didn't go around there.
2:47:12
SPEAKER_27: Do you guys know how to pick locks?
2:47:13
SPEAKER_27: Anyone know how to pick locks?
2:47:14
SPEAKER_27: No, Isaac, no, Max, no?
2:47:15
SPEAKER_27: No, no lock picking.
2:47:16
SPEAKER_05: And the different types of locks.
2:47:17
SPEAKER_05: That's important.
2:47:18
SPEAKER_27: They say if you can use both of those commands, the V lookup, X lookup, uh, quickly on the fly, people don't, uh people who don't know them will think that you're a wizard.
2:47:26
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:47:27
SPEAKER_27: So wow and amazing.
2:47:28
SPEAKER_27: Excel wizard.
2:47:29
SPEAKER_27: Uh, number five is keyboard commands.
2:47:30
SPEAKER_27: The person writes that I'm left-handed, so the mouse is always backwards on shared computers.
2:47:35
SPEAKER_27: I learned them in order to not have to fumble around with my offhand.
2:47:39
SPEAKER_27: They're so much faster.
2:47:40
SPEAKER_27: Wait, wait, wait.
2:47:42
SPEAKER_05: Okay, I'm left-handed.
2:47:43
SPEAKER_05: I am too.
2:47:44
SPEAKER_05: I use my right hand to click.
2:47:46
SPEAKER_05: I'm not so like, oh no, I'm gonna use my left hand.
2:47:49
SPEAKER_05: That's crazy.
2:47:49
SPEAKER_05: It's not a problem.
2:47:50
SPEAKER_29: It's not a real issue.
2:47:51
SPEAKER_29: Yeah, medicine.
2:47:52
SPEAKER_29: It's a waste of time.
2:47:52
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:47:53
SPEAKER_27: Grace, keyboard commands, no?
2:47:55
SPEAKER_30: Um I know very basic ones.
2:47:57
SPEAKER_30: I will say if you don't know them and someone shows you one, yeah, that person seems like a genius or a god.
2:48:02
SPEAKER_30: All right.
2:48:03
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
2:48:04
SPEAKER_05: Uh but Isaac?
2:48:05
SPEAKER_05: I know a decent amount.
2:48:06
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
2:48:06
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I know.
2:48:07
SPEAKER_05: But I'm just saying the person that that wrote that is stupid.
2:48:11
SPEAKER_27: So again, these should be, yeah.
2:48:13
SPEAKER_27: These are these are these are skills that are supposed to be easy to pick up that make you look like a genius.
2:48:17
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
2:48:17
SPEAKER_27: So just finding out what you guys can do, what you can do.
2:48:19
SPEAKER_30: That one feels most um true to the title of this post so far to me.
2:48:23
SPEAKER_27: What about backing a trailer, especially at a boat ramp?
2:48:26
SPEAKER_27: Oh, yeah.
2:48:26
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah.
2:48:27
SPEAKER_27: You have to do that.
2:48:28
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah.
2:48:29
SPEAKER_30: Okay, again, the gene, the word genius feels like it's maybe, I don't know if it's like the most accurate term.
2:48:36
SPEAKER_30: I had a certain set of expectations.
2:48:38
SPEAKER_09: Okay, no, spoken like someone who's never backed up a trailer.
2:48:41
SPEAKER_30: Hey now, hey now.
2:48:42
SPEAKER_30: I'm it's hard.
2:48:43
SPEAKER_30: It's hard.
2:48:43
SPEAKER_30: But if I watch someone do it accurately the first time, I'm like, that is amazing.
2:48:47
SPEAKER_30: What a cool thing that you can do.
2:48:49
SPEAKER_30: I don't think like you you have an IQ of like 250.
2:48:53
SPEAKER_30: Does that make sense?
2:48:53
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, I'm gonna come up on the title.
2:48:55
SPEAKER_05: Okay, you're awesome.
2:48:57
SPEAKER_30: But you know what?
2:48:57
SPEAKER_30: You are awesome.
2:48:58
SPEAKER_30: I'm not debating that at all.
2:49:00
SPEAKER_05: It's simple physics.
2:49:01
SPEAKER_05: Like when when I see people that can't back up, I'm like, do you not know how like simple physics works?
2:49:07
SPEAKER_05: If you're going this way and your trailers this way, how do you think that's gonna work?
2:49:12
SPEAKER_05: It's like not even, it's very common sense, but a lot of people lack that.
2:49:16
SPEAKER_27: I still get amazed, like a child, whenever I see a tram and how it starts a turn at one point and then the rest of the tram follows right along with it.
2:49:26
SPEAKER_27: That still amazes me.
2:49:28
SPEAKER_27: It just because you feel like it won't like mentally, I won't it want I it should drag, but it doesn't.
2:49:32
SPEAKER_27: It follows the turn that initially gets started at the beginning of the tram.
2:49:37
SPEAKER_27: I still get wild and amazed by that.
2:49:38
SPEAKER_05: Physics is cool, kids.
2:49:40
SPEAKER_27: You know, it in and you you know what else?
2:49:42
SPEAKER_27: Yes.
2:49:44
SPEAKER_27: Uh number seven, mentally this is a weird one.
2:49:48
SPEAKER_27: Mentally calculating the day for any given date using Conway's doomsday algorithm.
2:49:54
SPEAKER_27: Oh no.
2:49:55
SPEAKER_30: Oh my gosh.
2:49:56
SPEAKER_30: Is this when someone says a specific date and you know what day of the week it was?
2:50:00
SPEAKER_27: Oh, is that I have no idea.
2:50:01
SPEAKER_27: So I'm hoping when it's a Reddit thing 100%.
2:50:04
SPEAKER_27: Is that what is that is that what Conway's doomsday algorithm is?
2:50:07
SPEAKER_27: I see plenty of YouTube controls.
2:50:09
SPEAKER_30: I have no idea.
2:50:09
SPEAKER_05: I but that sounds sort of like a proof that you are on the spectrum.
2:50:14
SPEAKER_05: That's what I always say.
2:50:15
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, that's what this entire list sounds like.
2:50:18
SPEAKER_09: You got knocked with a TISM if you're yeah, you got a heavy knock.
2:50:21
SPEAKER_09: It's a mental trick created by mathematician John Conway to find the day of the week for any given day.
2:50:27
SPEAKER_09: Nicely done.
2:50:27
SPEAKER_27: So it's a long way of saying that would be a really cool party trick.
2:50:31
SPEAKER_30: That good party trick, yeah.
2:50:33
SPEAKER_30: Um I would, yeah, I I'd sooner go maybe like you have supernatural powers than like you're a genius on that one.
2:50:41
SPEAKER_30: I'd be like, what what ri what rich witchcraft?
2:50:44
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
2:50:45
SPEAKER_30: What witchcraft is this?
2:50:46
SPEAKER_27: You're a witch.
2:50:47
SPEAKER_27: Do you do does anybody, and I'll give you, I'll I'll share mine, even though it's irrelevant now, but and you guys can think about it if you have any of your own sort of party party tricks.
2:50:55
SPEAKER_27: So I have I have two.
2:50:57
SPEAKER_27: One is completely irrelevant.
2:50:59
SPEAKER_27: I used to be able, and I've talked about this before on the show, there used to be something called a Thomas Guide.
2:51:03
SPEAKER_27: This was long before this, this was a map book.
2:51:06
SPEAKER_27: Okay, and you but Gen Zers probably aren't aware.
2:51:09
SPEAKER_27: This was a map book, and I had a map book, it was a Thomas Guide for Los Angeles and Orange County, and because I was a public real estate auctioneer uh and uh and also a housing inspector uh inspector, I would drive over 200 miles a day and I would have to utilize the Thomas Guide to find out where I was going.
2:51:24
SPEAKER_27: And so it had coordinates on there.
2:51:26
SPEAKER_27: Um, I became so familiar with the Thomas Guide that if you pointed to the page and gave me the coordinates, I could tell you within a mile what the intersection was.
2:51:37
SPEAKER_27: So that was a that's completely completely irrelevant.
2:51:40
SPEAKER_27: Now it doesn't matter anymore.
2:51:41
SPEAKER_27: Uh the other party trick, and it's not really a party trick, is asking people if they know why we uh when we toast, we clink our glasses together.
2:51:52
SPEAKER_27: Do and do any of you know why we why we do that?
2:51:55
SPEAKER_27: Keep the demons away.
2:51:56
SPEAKER_27: No, you guys, so okay, there's so this is written this is a party trick because I think it's really cool.
2:52:00
SPEAKER_27: The reason that when we cheer and we clink our glasses together is because it completes all of the senses relating to the action that you're doing.
2:52:11
SPEAKER_27: So you can smell it, you can touch it, you can taste it, you can see it, and then when you clink the glasses together, you can also hear it.
2:52:18
SPEAKER_30: That cannot be why.
2:52:20
SPEAKER_27: So that's why when you do when you when you toast and you clang a glass together, it completes all of the senses.
2:52:28
SPEAKER_29: And your party trick is explaining.
2:52:29
SPEAKER_29: It's explaining that to people.
2:52:31
SPEAKER_29: How many times has John done his party trick?
2:52:34
SPEAKER_29: You've never done it before.
2:52:34
SPEAKER_29: I'm gonna go grab a drink.
2:52:36
SPEAKER_29: We'll catch up later.
2:52:39
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't have it, I don't, I don't have, I don't think I have any party tricks.
2:52:43
SPEAKER_05: I knew a guy that used to do party tricks, um, which probably borders on the line of like sexual assault with his male appendage.
2:52:52
SPEAKER_05: Um he would do that at party with his male appendage.
2:52:55
SPEAKER_05: Okay.
2:52:56
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he used to do that at parties.
2:52:58
SPEAKER_05: So let's just move on.
2:52:59
SPEAKER_27: Anybody else have any parties?
2:53:03
SPEAKER_05: Do you know what time it is?
2:53:03
SPEAKER_27: I'm like, oh no, no, not following that.
2:53:06
SPEAKER_27: Don't do that.
2:53:07
SPEAKER_27: All right.
2:53:07
SPEAKER_27: Let's get let's continue going through this list here.
2:53:10
SPEAKER_29: Um, so number eight on the list, you would make the lamest party ever.
2:53:14
SPEAKER_29: AK bringing out his high school buddy, he was throwing it around.
2:53:18
SPEAKER_29: John talking about some story of glasses.
2:53:21
SPEAKER_27: I will say though, you know what?
2:53:23
SPEAKER_27: I think my theory rang true because Grace's reaction to it was was I was testing to see what kind of response it would get.
2:53:29
SPEAKER_27: And Grace going, is that really true?
2:53:31
SPEAKER_27: See, I think because you think it's kind of cool.
2:53:33
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah.
2:53:34
SPEAKER_27: See?
2:53:34
SPEAKER_27: No, I just okay.
2:53:35
SPEAKER_27: It could be, it could be cool.
2:53:37
SPEAKER_30: I just doubt I for some reason have been doubting.
2:53:40
SPEAKER_27: Because everybody, we everybody we always toast our glasses, but nobody knows understanding it.
2:53:44
SPEAKER_27: It cannot be where that color is.
2:53:45
SPEAKER_27: I'm just Gemini.
2:53:46
SPEAKER_30: I do not believe this.
2:53:48
SPEAKER_30: Can you look at the bigger?
2:53:50
SPEAKER_05: My poor Isaac is just researcher.
2:53:52
SPEAKER_05: He's supposed to be a good one.
2:53:53
SPEAKER_05: Okay, this isn't a party trick, but what I would what I can do if there's a large open space, and people are like, Can you do you have any special talents?
2:54:00
SPEAKER_05: I'm like, not really, but I can do a front hand spring, and I've been able to do that since I was a little kid, and I can still do a round off.
2:54:06
SPEAKER_30: You cannot.
2:54:08
SPEAKER_05: You cannot 100%.
2:54:09
SPEAKER_05: We when we leave today, I'll show you.
2:54:11
SPEAKER_05: I can we can have a party, is what I'm hearing.
2:54:13
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
2:54:14
SPEAKER_30: Am I right?
2:54:14
SPEAKER_09: There's some main theories behind the custom.
2:54:16
SPEAKER_09: One is the five senses theory.
2:54:18
SPEAKER_09: Oh, okay, all right, all right.
2:54:20
SPEAKER_09: You're not making it up.
2:54:21
SPEAKER_09: You're not making it up.
2:54:22
SPEAKER_09: The second is warding off evil spirits.
2:54:24
SPEAKER_05: I told you to get rid of the demons, all right?
2:54:28
SPEAKER_09: Scaring demons, actually.
2:54:29
SPEAKER_09: Ancient people believe that evil spirits and bad luck hid in alcohol.
2:54:33
SPEAKER_09: And then the third is the poison myth, a popular story that says people clinked hard so wine would splash into each other's cups, proving no one added poison.
2:54:42
SPEAKER_30: I mean, that I would sooner believe than either of those two others.
2:54:45
SPEAKER_30: No, personally.
2:54:46
SPEAKER_05: Well, it's just like when you sneeze and you say, like, kazun tight or God bless you, and it's like, get that demon out of you.
2:54:52
SPEAKER_27: That is what that's from.
2:54:53
SPEAKER_27: All right.
2:54:54
SPEAKER_27: So uh next on the list uh would be mental math, especially percentages and doubling times.
2:55:00
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I find that very impressive.
2:55:02
SPEAKER_09: Okay, she's out.
2:55:03
SPEAKER_09: This one can really impress the finance committee at the mark.
2:55:06
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she'd be like, you're God, aren't you?
2:55:09
SPEAKER_29: You can read these reading numbers with more than four digits.
2:55:13
SPEAKER_27: Uh number nine on the list was they say not genius, but damn, it makes your life much easier every once in a while, and that is knowing the NATO phonetic alphabet.
2:55:22
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:55:23
SPEAKER_27: Alpha Bravo Charlie Delta Echo Box Trot.
2:55:26
SPEAKER_30: That just seems like a cool thing.
2:55:27
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, seems very pinky, pinkies up.
2:55:29
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:55:29
SPEAKER_27: Uh number 10 on the list is too learning Cyrillic.
2:55:33
SPEAKER_27: Why?
2:55:34
SPEAKER_27: Is that a language?
2:55:35
SPEAKER_27: It turns out that it turns out revealing that you can read languages out of the blue by just poke uh picking out keywords, uh, and they have them in here.
2:55:44
SPEAKER_27: I don't know what that means, right?
2:55:45
SPEAKER_27: Uh no, the Cyrillic language, it's the Russian language, right?
2:55:47
SPEAKER_27: Isn't that what isn't that what that isn't that what the Cyrillic is?
2:55:50
SPEAKER_27: Sounds like an S T D back to the internet and Google for you, Isaac.
2:55:53
SPEAKER_05: It feels like a craft project.
2:55:56
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
2:55:56
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's so it's not just used for the Russian language, it's used for Some of the other languages in the room.
2:56:01
SPEAKER_30: Yeah, I think Ukraine.
2:56:02
SPEAKER_30: But it's the Cyrillic alphabet?
2:56:03
SPEAKER_30: Yes.
2:56:04
SPEAKER_09: Cyrillic script is a writing system used for more than 50 languages across Eastern Europe, South, Southeastern Europe, and Asia.
2:56:13
SPEAKER_05: So I'm going to start doing that.
2:56:18
SPEAKER_30: Knowing a language.
2:56:19
SPEAKER_30: That's that's fair.
2:56:20
SPEAKER_30: It looks cool.
2:56:21
SPEAKER_30: That's yeah.
2:56:22
SPEAKER_29: That's like when all when I was in elementary school and all the kids were like learning pig Latin and saying that as if it was like some secret language.
2:56:30
SPEAKER_29: Maybe they were all like cool.
2:56:32
SPEAKER_29: It's like shut up.
2:56:34
SPEAKER_27: Number 11 is uh knowing the uh the Heimlich maneuver or CPR.
2:56:39
SPEAKER_27: I think everybody for the most part can do that.
2:56:42
SPEAKER_27: You know, I feel like there's not much to it.
2:56:43
SPEAKER_27: Uh uh staying alive.
2:56:45
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, stay in alive.
2:56:46
SPEAKER_05: Yep, yeah.
2:56:47
SPEAKER_05: I had to do that because I worked at a YMCA after school program.
2:56:50
SPEAKER_05: So you had to like be CPR certified in first aid.
2:56:53
SPEAKER_27: Uh number 12 on again, these are uh easy to pick up skills that make you look like a genius.
2:56:59
SPEAKER_27: Easy to pick up learning question and mark on both of those.
2:57:02
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
2:57:03
SPEAKER_30: I really am taking issue.
2:57:04
SPEAKER_30: Easy to learn some of these.
2:57:06
SPEAKER_27: Uh astronomy.
2:57:08
SPEAKER_27: If you go out at the same time each year, let's say summer, you can easily memorize the 10 things in the sky.
2:57:13
SPEAKER_27: So I feel like that used to be cooler.
2:57:15
SPEAKER_27: I do have a star named after me, but that's besides the point.
2:57:18
SPEAKER_27: So my mom got that for me.
2:57:19
SPEAKER_05: You can also just lie and be like, yeah, that that that star right there.
2:57:24
SPEAKER_27: But I think most people I think most I think most people have heard of most people have heard of the the astronom, the the astrological signs enough to know it.
2:57:34
SPEAKER_27: The constellations, thank you.
2:57:35
SPEAKER_27: Uh channeling my inner Minneapolis Parkboard Finance Committee member.
2:57:40
SPEAKER_27: Um, most people have heard the constellations enough to know if you're making one up.
2:57:43
SPEAKER_27: I think.
2:57:44
SPEAKER_27: Oh, I know, no.
2:57:45
SPEAKER_30: I can recognize like the big and little dipper, but any other arrangement that I'm supposed to be seeing in the stars, if it's a horse or if it's a lion or whatever, uh you could tell me it's any part of the sky, and I would believe you.
2:57:56
SPEAKER_30: I can never see them.
2:57:57
SPEAKER_05: Canis major, canis minor, sure.
2:57:59
SPEAKER_05: Ryan.
2:58:01
SPEAKER_05: Uh 13.
2:58:03
SPEAKER_27: 13 on the list was opening a beer bottle without a bottle open.
2:58:08
SPEAKER_30: Oh my gosh, I just needed this.
2:58:10
SPEAKER_30: What is the trick?
2:58:11
SPEAKER_30: How do you do it?
2:58:12
SPEAKER_05: So I use my ring and I can even applies pressure.
2:58:15
SPEAKER_05: I'm not doing it.
2:58:16
SPEAKER_05: But if your ring is too soft, but you can use I use a lighter all the time.
2:58:19
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I can also use my teeth.
2:58:20
SPEAKER_27: Another beer, another beer bottle.
2:58:23
SPEAKER_27: You can use another beer bottle.
2:58:26
SPEAKER_27: Um also you can use a lighter.
2:58:29
SPEAKER_27: But who smokes anymore?
2:58:30
SPEAKER_27: Me?
2:58:30
SPEAKER_27: I don't know.
2:58:31
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
2:58:31
SPEAKER_27: Well, never mind.
2:58:31
SPEAKER_05: I'm back to smoking, sorry.
2:58:33
SPEAKER_27: Um I used to do the trick, I used to do I used to do the trick, and it's really stupid, where you had a twist-off bottle cap, but you use your your arm to do it, where you you push it hard against your arm and then you twist it on your arm.
2:58:44
SPEAKER_27: It's like, look at me, I'm so tough.
2:58:45
SPEAKER_27: I'm you know, this was right after I would tell my toast story my toast story.
2:58:51
SPEAKER_30: And then the party would kind of fizzle out.
2:58:52
SPEAKER_30: Just die out pretty much.
2:58:53
SPEAKER_30: Look how cool this is, guys.
2:58:57
SPEAKER_27: With my fog juice and the laser light machine.
2:58:59
SPEAKER_27: Fog juice, yeah.
2:59:00
SPEAKER_27: Max, are you leaving us?
2:59:01
SPEAKER_27: I gotta take a call.
2:59:02
SPEAKER_27: Oh, okay.
2:59:02
SPEAKER_27: Take your phone call.
2:59:03
SPEAKER_27: Love you.
2:59:04
SPEAKER_27: Are you coming back?
2:59:05
SPEAKER_27: Nope.
2:59:05
SPEAKER_27: It's you're not coming back.
2:59:06
SPEAKER_27: If we're still talking, are you coming back?
2:59:08
unknown: No.
2:59:08
SPEAKER_27: All right, bye, Max.
2:59:09
SPEAKER_27: Bye, Max.
2:59:11
SPEAKER_27: You're the best.
2:59:11
SPEAKER_27: Okay, well, maybe come back.
2:59:13
SPEAKER_27: Maybe we'll still be talking about it.
2:59:14
SPEAKER_27: Just speaking of, I would I didn't even do my my my my my stories, and he still left.
2:59:19
SPEAKER_05: We offended Max because he doesn't know how to do any of those things.
2:59:22
SPEAKER_05: Your party trick scared him off.
2:59:24
SPEAKER_05: Seriously.
2:59:26
SPEAKER_23: Yeah, scratching uh trampling.
2:59:28
SPEAKER_23: Yeah, another thing you can do for when you're doing CPR is um another one bites the dust.
2:59:34
SPEAKER_27: Another one bites the dust.
2:59:35
SPEAKER_27: You can also do that one too.
2:59:36
SPEAKER_27: Okay, yeah.
2:59:37
SPEAKER_27: That's true.
2:59:37
SPEAKER_27: You can do that.
2:59:38
SPEAKER_27: Um, the last couple on the list here just kind of made me.
2:59:40
SPEAKER_27: Oh, so you had card tricks.
2:59:42
SPEAKER_27: I can't do any card tricks.
2:59:43
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, I can't do card tricks.
2:59:44
SPEAKER_27: Isaac card tricks, you can do any card tricks?
2:59:46
SPEAKER_09: No, but I've I've it some have come across my like uh algorithm and I've saved a couple.
2:59:51
SPEAKER_09: I would like to.
2:59:53
SPEAKER_27: So 15 and 16, really odd.
2:59:56
SPEAKER_27: They they went, I I mean I maybe I should have gone in reverse order, but 15 was resetting a non-functioning dryer by taking the back off and pressing the little red button.
3:00:06
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
3:00:07
SPEAKER_27: It seems like something that if it didn't work, you would just Google it and find that out.
3:00:10
SPEAKER_27: It's not like it's a skill that you need to master or learn.
3:00:13
SPEAKER_30: Again, genius.
3:00:14
SPEAKER_30: I don't know.
3:00:16
SPEAKER_27: No way, I'm absolutely with you.
3:00:18
SPEAKER_27: And then lastly, it says get one of the simpler Leatherman tools and learn how to use each.
3:00:24
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
3:00:25
SPEAKER_27: You don't need uh, you don't need much to learn to cut and screw stuff, but you show up at a kid's birthday party where the parents are frantically searching for a screwdriver and scissors.
3:00:34
SPEAKER_27: You are a hero.
3:00:35
SPEAKER_27: I use my leatherman more than my full tool bag.
3:00:39
SPEAKER_09: You know what that reminds me of is like that that meme when you're like at your grandparents and you switch.
3:00:44
SPEAKER_09: It's like what my grandparents do when I think I switch the TV from HDMI one to HDMI two.
3:00:49
SPEAKER_09: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:00:50
SPEAKER_09: It's like Tony Stark and he's like working, like, you know, that's kind of what that reminds me of.
3:00:56
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
3:00:56
SPEAKER_27: And I need to do a uh I need to do a personal shout out uh to uh friends of the show, Veronica and Tom, because they apparently are gonna personally come over and cut that lock off of our fence for us.
3:01:06
SPEAKER_27: All right.
3:01:06
SPEAKER_27: So that's nice.
3:01:08
SPEAKER_30: Now you don't have to learn how to lock pick.
3:01:09
SPEAKER_27: Thank you to you.
3:01:10
SPEAKER_27: That's right.
3:01:11
SPEAKER_27: I don't.
3:01:11
SPEAKER_27: But I, you know, I might still just till I have the skill.
3:01:14
SPEAKER_30: That does seem so handy.
3:01:17
SPEAKER_27: I was always really good at when something was um, and and I know Melinda's gonna be like, no, you're not, but it's true.
3:01:25
SPEAKER_27: Um, I was always good at like finding a way to make something work even though it was broken.
3:01:29
SPEAKER_27: Sure.
3:01:30
SPEAKER_27: Does that make sense?
3:01:30
SPEAKER_27: You know, just you tinker with it, you spend enough time with it, and I guess it kind of falls in line with it.
3:01:34
SPEAKER_27: You spend enough time with it and you can figure out a figure out a solution.
3:01:37
SPEAKER_27: I was always always kind of good at that.
3:01:38
SPEAKER_27: My Kyle is amazing at that.
3:01:40
SPEAKER_05: Um Dairy rigging is what they call it.
3:01:42
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, there you go.
3:01:44
SPEAKER_27: Uh let's wrap on this.
3:01:45
SPEAKER_27: I know Max is gone.
3:01:46
SPEAKER_27: I have one more story.
3:01:47
SPEAKER_27: It's just good, we can run through it quickly because it kind of fit into this category.
3:01:51
SPEAKER_27: Um, one seemingly ordinary job has gotten much more deadly in the past uh 10 years.
3:01:57
SPEAKER_27: Okay.
3:01:58
SPEAKER_27: Uh the most recent Bureau of Labor Statistics data analyzed by Money Geek, kind of like pocket wallet.
3:02:05
SPEAKER_27: Uh deaths were pretty evenly spit, uh, split between transportation incidents falls and contact with heavy equipment.
3:02:12
SPEAKER_27: Heat exposure is an increasingly significant source of fatal injury.
3:02:17
SPEAKER_27: Other jobs that have gotten more dangerous between 2014 and 2024 include, unsurprisingly, security guards and carpenters.
3:02:25
SPEAKER_22: Oh.
3:02:26
SPEAKER_27: Though their injury and death rates are low enough to land them outside the top 10.
3:02:31
SPEAKER_27: So I have the top 10 most dangerous jobs.
3:02:33
SPEAKER_27: You guys ready?
3:02:33
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
3:02:34
SPEAKER_27: Run through it real quick and then we'll wrap up the show on a Freedom Friday.
3:02:37
SPEAKER_27: Uh so number 10 was grounds maintenance workers.
3:02:40
SPEAKER_27: And that's the one that they were focusing on was that landscapers and grounds, uh, groundskeepers and landscapers um have been dying on the job, and the occupation has a fatal injury rate of uh from 13 to 100,000 workers in 2014 to 21 per 1,000 workers in 2024.
3:02:57
SPEAKER_27: What?
3:02:58
SPEAKER_05: Jeez, what is going on?
3:03:00
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, what was why would groundskeepers and landscapers they're coming across like fentanyl or what why are they dying?
3:03:06
SPEAKER_30: And then why are they dying more now than they were 10 years ago?
3:03:09
SPEAKER_30: That like that's I need those questions answered.
3:03:11
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, the story this let's see.
3:03:13
SPEAKER_27: Uh let's see.
3:03:14
SPEAKER_27: The the work safety fact sheet from 2008, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, said they were most commonly using tools or machinery to trim down or cut trees when they were killed.
3:03:25
SPEAKER_27: Operating a vehicle or piece of transportation equipment was another common activity that led to a fatal injury injury, but it still doesn't answer the question of why there's an increase.
3:03:35
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I think the equipment would get better and be more safe.
3:03:39
SPEAKER_27: Uh uh well, what if people are dumber?
3:03:41
SPEAKER_05: I think that people are doing things that they don't know how to do, and they're asking AI how to do things instead of it.
3:03:48
SPEAKER_05: 24 though?
3:03:50
SPEAKER_30: 2024 AI wasn't even that good then.
3:03:52
SPEAKER_05: When we're talking about people backing up trailers, they don't understand simple physics.
3:03:55
SPEAKER_05: They're like, I'm gonna cut down this branch.
3:03:57
SPEAKER_05: There's no way that this thing could fall on me.
3:03:59
SPEAKER_05: And it's like, well, yeah, because you don't understand simple physics.
3:04:02
SPEAKER_27: I, you know what I I bet it has more to do with I actually I I bet it has more to do with the newer equipment, and people are becoming lack uh lackadaisical about it.
3:04:15
SPEAKER_27: Sure.
3:04:15
SPEAKER_27: I think with the newer equipment, things are easier to do, they're probably more powerful, less cautious, less and people are being less cautious than they would have in the past.
3:04:26
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, I bet that's what it is.
3:04:27
SPEAKER_27: Interesting.
3:04:28
SPEAKER_27: So 10 was grounds and maintenance workers.
3:04:30
SPEAKER_27: So that was at the bottom of the list, but it has been moving up.
3:04:32
SPEAKER_27: Number nine was driver sales workers and truck drivers.
3:04:35
SPEAKER_30: So that's just got to be all crashes going up, right?
3:04:38
SPEAKER_27: Yep.
3:04:38
SPEAKER_27: 25.7 uh fatal rate per 100,000.
3:04:42
SPEAKER_27: 2024, 950 people died.
3:04:45
SPEAKER_27: 239 grounds work ground maintenance workers died.
3:04:48
SPEAKER_27: So drivers, uh, sales and workers and truck drivers, 950 died.
3:04:52
SPEAKER_27: Now, the variation here on the deaths is attributable to the fatal rate.
3:04:57
SPEAKER_27: So when you get to number eight, underground mining machine operators, only 12 fatalities in 2024, but your fatal rate per 100,000 is 35.6.
3:05:08
SPEAKER_27: Right.
3:05:08
SPEAKER_30: So it's just how many people are actually doing that.
3:05:10
SPEAKER_27: Uh helpers, construction trades, 18 fatalities, but 35.8 fatal rate per 100,000.
3:05:18
SPEAKER_27: Aircraft pilots and flight engineers, 73,000 fatalities in 2024, 36.7.
3:05:25
SPEAKER_27: Um, refuse and recyclable collectors.
3:05:27
SPEAKER_27: Really?
3:05:28
SPEAKER_27: They're at number five.
3:05:31
SPEAKER_30: Now, how are they going?
3:05:34
SPEAKER_27: Uh yeah, that I don't know.
3:05:36
SPEAKER_05: Falling into them or that's what I was thinking.
3:05:38
SPEAKER_30: Oh, what an awful way to go.
3:05:39
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
3:05:40
SPEAKER_30: I hope it's not that.
3:05:41
SPEAKER_30: I hope so too.
3:05:42
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, 36 fatalities in 2024, uh, 37.4 fatal rate per 100,000.
3:05:47
SPEAKER_27: Uh structural iron and steel workers, not a huge surprise there.
3:05:51
SPEAKER_27: It's a high fatality rate per 100,000, but only 14 fatalities in 2024.
3:05:56
SPEAKER_27: Roofers.
3:05:57
SPEAKER_27: Falling off a roof.
3:05:58
SPEAKER_27: Number three, yep.
3:06:00
SPEAKER_27: Uh 104 fatalities in 2024, 48.7 fatal rate per 100,000.
3:06:07
SPEAKER_27: Number two, fishing and hunting workers.
3:06:10
SPEAKER_27: I can see that.
3:06:11
SPEAKER_27: 88.8 fatal rate per 100,000, 24 fatalities in 2024.
3:06:17
SPEAKER_30: Now, fishing, I'm not getting so much.
3:06:19
SPEAKER_30: Hunting, I I presume.
3:06:20
SPEAKER_30: Yeah.
3:06:21
SPEAKER_05: Like there's gun accidents, but I mean, it might be it might be commercial fishing.
3:06:24
SPEAKER_05: Or a category title.
3:06:26
SPEAKER_05: So, like like you're out on the ocean and a giant.
3:06:29
SPEAKER_30: Or it's just a category title.
3:06:30
SPEAKER_30: You're right.
3:06:31
SPEAKER_30: That's true.
3:06:32
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, it could be just a combo, a combo of the two.
3:06:34
SPEAKER_27: Before I do number one, let's go here.
3:06:36
SPEAKER_21: Hey, John, as somebody who works in the uh construction field, um, I deal a lot with um, you know, labor and uh heavy equipment, stuff like that.
3:06:45
SPEAKER_21: So I can tell you um in in terms of of deaths in the industry, um, most of these, you know, landscapers and groundsmen and stuff are uh, you know, uh most latter use.
3:06:58
SPEAKER_27: You know, I and one thing we didn't factor in, and I think he was getting it towards the end, uh, the uh especially more recently when it comes to ground and maintenance workers, there was probably a direct correlation with the four years under the Biden administration and the number of individuals that came into the country illegally and don't know how to speak English.
3:07:13
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, yeah, and they just don't even know how to do the thing.
3:07:15
SPEAKER_27: Hat tip to the uh text that I got that put me on that path.
3:07:18
SPEAKER_27: I appreciate it.
3:07:19
SPEAKER_27: Uh number one on the list.
3:07:20
SPEAKER_27: I I probably wouldn't have landed on this, but at the same time I see it number one and I go, that makes sense.
3:07:25
SPEAKER_27: Um logging workers.
3:07:27
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
3:07:27
SPEAKER_27: So those that work in the lumber industry.
3:07:29
SPEAKER_27: Oh my gosh.
3:07:30
SPEAKER_27: Uh 110.4 fatal rate per 100,000, 51 fatalities in 2024.
3:07:36
SPEAKER_05: Trees are heavy when they fall on you.
3:07:38
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh.
3:07:39
SPEAKER_27: All right.
3:07:39
SPEAKER_27: Let's uh I will we'll end officially on this little anecdote.
3:07:42
SPEAKER_27: I just grabbed it.
3:07:43
SPEAKER_27: I didn't really have anything to say about it.
3:07:44
SPEAKER_27: I just thought it was interesting.
3:07:46
SPEAKER_27: Encyclopedia Britannica just dropped a fact that apparently is hitting everybody very hard.
3:07:52
SPEAKER_27: Uh Encyclopedia Britannica announced uh that we have started officially now the late 2020s.
3:08:00
SPEAKER_27: We are now officially in the late 2020s.
3:08:04
SPEAKER_27: True.
3:08:04
SPEAKER_27: It says the late 2020s actually officially started on September 1st.
3:08:08
SPEAKER_27: Well, interesting.
3:08:09
SPEAKER_27: So we are now in the latter, the latter part of the 2020s.
3:08:13
SPEAKER_27: It doesn't hit me very hard.
3:08:14
SPEAKER_27: I just said it's just kind of a reality, but we're closer now to 2030 than we were 2019.
3:08:20
SPEAKER_30: And like 2020 to me still feels like it was yesterday mentally.
3:08:24
SPEAKER_30: It's pretty crazy.
3:08:24
SPEAKER_30: That's pretty crazy.
3:08:25
SPEAKER_09: Well, it said I was in my late 20s the other day and I I couldn't really okay.
3:08:30
SPEAKER_27: Does this hit you hard when you make this comment that we're in the late, that we're in the late 20s?
3:08:33
SPEAKER_09: Not so much that one, but more more personally.
3:08:36
SPEAKER_09: Okay.
3:08:36
SPEAKER_27: I did uh I did mention, I'll just give a we'll talk, maybe we can save it for next week, but um, I did mention this at the top of the show, and so I'll just kind of leave this little nugget out there.
3:08:44
SPEAKER_27: Major releases are associated with an increase in traffic deaths across the United States.
3:08:50
SPEAKER_27: Major releases, major album releases.
3:08:52
SPEAKER_27: Album releases.
3:08:53
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, potentially because drivers are distracted by smartphones accessing new music, according to the study.
3:08:59
SPEAKER_27: So they looked at Taylor Swift's Midnight release, Drake's Scorpion release in 2018, Harry Styles' Harry House release in 2022, and across those dates, uh, the streaming totals for the uh top 200 American tracks surged by 43%.
3:09:14
SPEAKER_27: But they also saw researchers found that traffic fatalities climbed by a relative 15.1% on days when blockbuster albums debuted, translating to an additional 182 road deaths across 10 release dates analyzed.
3:09:33
SPEAKER_30: That is crazy.
3:09:34
SPEAKER_27: Yeah.
3:09:35
SPEAKER_27: People died because Taylor Swift put an album out.
3:09:37
SPEAKER_27: I don't know.
3:09:38
SPEAKER_27: You can actually make that statement.
3:09:39
SPEAKER_30: Really?
3:09:40
SPEAKER_30: I logistically, I bet that that is less people pulling up the album on their phone as they're driving and more just the distracted driving in general, because you're listening to something new and you're excited about it.
3:09:50
SPEAKER_30: Because that distracted driving is like a way bigger cause of collisions than people think, right?
3:09:55
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, over the nail on the head.
3:09:56
SPEAKER_27: And this, in the, in this, in the study, they actually zero in on that very, that very point.
3:10:00
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a combined, it's a it's a combination of the various and they took in they took into account other variables and removed those variables, and they were actually able to zero down that it was specifically those release dates on those particular albums.
3:10:14
SPEAKER_27: So yeah, Harry Styles, Drake, and Taylor Swift cost people lives.
3:10:18
SPEAKER_27: Yep.
3:10:19
SPEAKER_05: Many such cases.
3:10:21
SPEAKER_27: Yeah, just like she's gonna cost Travis Kelsey, Kelsey, his life.
3:10:24
SPEAKER_27: Apparently, I read that they're having difficulty now that they're married.
3:10:26
SPEAKER_27: Oh.
3:10:27
SPEAKER_27: Say it's harder, it's harder for them to keep up their relationship now that they're married.
3:10:30
SPEAKER_27: That it is.
3:10:30
SPEAKER_27: And it happens.
3:10:31
SPEAKER_27: It happens.
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3:10:50
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3:10:52
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3:10:52
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3:10:58
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3:11:08
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3:11:09
SPEAKER_05: So I'll fill you guys all in the next Friday because I'll still be in Dallas next Friday.
3:11:14
SPEAKER_27: And uh to that point, uh, Representative Tom Emmer is actually gonna be checking in from that very event.
3:11:19
SPEAKER_27: Oh, cool.
3:11:20
SPEAKER_27: So maybe you can join him.
3:11:21
SPEAKER_27: Maybe you can hop on with him at the time.
3:11:22
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3:11:23
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