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The Sean “Diddy” Combs Trial · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff
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  Speaker 1: I've never told you protection by her radio and today
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  Speaker 1: we are so happy to once again be joined by
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  Speaker 1: the fabulous, the fantastic Bridgete Todd. Welcome Bridget, Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: having me.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to hang out with.
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  Speaker 1: You, gals, Yes, it always is, and we know you're
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  Speaker 1: so busy, so we're so happy we can make this
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  Speaker 1: work even when the topics at hand are not so great.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into that loaded question, as always,
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  Speaker 1: how have you been, Brigitte?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, things are okay.
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  Speaker 3: It's pride here in d C, DC celebrating the fiftieth
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  Speaker 3: anniversary of Pride in DC. So it's world pride being
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  Speaker 3: celebrated here in d C. So it's been a more
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  Speaker 3: even with looming large figure who also lives in DC,
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  Speaker 3: we're still trying to away to have a good time
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  Speaker 3: here or something.
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  Speaker 2: Things have been a little cheery. How are you to
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  Speaker 2: doing it?
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  Speaker 1: I think we're I'm doing I'm doing well. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to find a doctor, Bridget And this is news for me.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been to the doctor forever, but I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to go. I'm going to take that Steph and also
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  Speaker 1: I've just been having fun with.
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  Speaker 2: Friends, So what has been keeping you from going to
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  Speaker 2: the doctor. Just we don't have to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: The way you started that felt like we had an
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  Speaker 4: intervention with you or so NI any time, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just I think a lot of people,
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately can relate. I haven't had a good experience going
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  Speaker 1: to the doctor, and so I and I also wait
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  Speaker 1: and till I'm like absolutely convinced maybe I might actually
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  Speaker 1: be on death door before I'm going. But I've actually
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  Speaker 1: had like two panic attacks recently that I thought I
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  Speaker 1: was on death stoor and I still didn't go, And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this is probably a sign. This is
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  Speaker 1: you should really you should really go and check and
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  Speaker 1: make sure these are actually big texts. But yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: steps baby steps ahead.
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  Speaker 3: And I have to say, like, nothing makes me feel
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  Speaker 3: more like I am being the adult, grown woman I am,
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  Speaker 3: like when I take care of the medical thing I've
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  Speaker 3: been avoiding for a long time and I finally make
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  Speaker 3: that appointment.
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  Speaker 2: So just think, just focus on that.
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  Speaker 3: How good you're gonna feel once you actually book the appointment,
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  Speaker 3: talk to a medical professional. You know you're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: treating yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I Thank you, Brigitte. This has been a
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  Speaker 1: long time coming to be on this, but uh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to do it, and I'm going to take it
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  Speaker 1: as a positive. I'm doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Hm, it's self.
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  Speaker 2: Care Annie, Yeah, hold you accountable on this.
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  Speaker 4: I like that this is like an intervention again. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think, Uh, for me and for doctors, it's always
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  Speaker 4: the fear that I'm gonna go and they're gonna tell
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  Speaker 4: me there's nothing wrong with me and I'm making things
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  Speaker 4: up in my head.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of those things that it's like, doesn't really
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  Speaker 4: make sense, but at the same time, but you know
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  Speaker 4: the history of doctors and what they say to women
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  Speaker 4: in general. You know how that goes. We know how
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  Speaker 4: that goes.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, for myself, is that actually nice day. It's
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  Speaker 4: been a nice day for a few days. The rain
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  Speaker 4: has stopped in Atlanta for a little bit. It's gotten cool.
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  Speaker 4: I have a little mini garden, Bridget I have a
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  Speaker 4: little mini garden, and I've gotten at least five cherry tomatoes.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, very proud of this.
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  Speaker 3: How it's so when having your own garden, it'll be
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  Speaker 3: so much work and so much money and so much effort.
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  Speaker 3: And you're like, oh, I got one blueberry.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I held onto it, took little pictures.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, it is the cutest, most perfect tomato ever.
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  Speaker 4: I will say it was a starter plant from Costco,
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  Speaker 4: not a sponsor. Yeah, I love Costco. But I'm still
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  Speaker 4: proud of it. I still feel like we did it
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  Speaker 4: even though it was already kind of there before we
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  Speaker 4: bought it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I was a tomato.
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  Speaker 3: Like those tomato plants don't want tom fool you like,
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  Speaker 3: they're actually lay pretty labor intensive in terms of kind
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  Speaker 3: of foods that you can grow on a small garden.
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  Speaker 3: So you actually started with a high bar. So the
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  Speaker 3: fact that you got any kind of thing that you
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  Speaker 3: could eat at all, it's really you know, you should
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  Speaker 3: feel good about that five.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I count that as a win over here.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is a win. But this is probably
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  Speaker 1: one of the most depressing transitions I've ever made, speaking
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  Speaker 1: of not believing women. We do have a topic today
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  Speaker 1: that is full of that kind of those kind of
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  Speaker 1: tropes that we hear a lot, and it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to go through. So bridget what are we talking about today?
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  Speaker 3: I have to give a pretty big trigger warning because
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  Speaker 3: it is the Sean Diddy Comb's trial. As folks probably know,
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  Speaker 3: he was arrested back in twenty twenty four, because currently
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  Speaker 3: the trial is ongoing. As soon as he was arrested,
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  Speaker 3: as soon as I saw the news, I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is about to be a storm of like disinformation,
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  Speaker 3: half truth, is online, gendered tropes, all the things that
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  Speaker 3: we know kind of go hand in hand with this
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing. And I've actually been following how this
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  Speaker 3: has been playing out since his arrest, and so now
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  Speaker 3: that the trial is happening, I feel like it's a
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  Speaker 3: great time to sort of get into all of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and all of it encompasses quite a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: I think for some people people that can feel kind
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  Speaker 1: of like easy to dismiss because he feels kind of,
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  Speaker 1: at least to me, like that was a long time ago,
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  Speaker 1: that guy. But actually no, and actually it does matter
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  Speaker 1: a lot. Can you talk about that?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: So it seems like every day there's a new celebrity
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  Speaker 3: wrongdoing story out there in the news. But I would
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  Speaker 3: argue that this trial is more than this one celebrity
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  Speaker 3: did something bad for a few reasons. One that it's
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  Speaker 3: a colmb's is a very very powerful figure. Again, if
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  Speaker 3: you're a younger listener, you might think of him as
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a throwback, but he is definitely
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  Speaker 3: more than a musician. He is one of the most
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  Speaker 3: powerful figures in Hollywood. His influence reaches far beyond entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: From media. He used to have a TV He used
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  Speaker 3: to be the owner of a TV news channel called Revolt,
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  Speaker 3: which is still around, but they have My understanding is
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  Speaker 3: that that Diddy is no longer at the helm that
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  Speaker 3: had a pretty important partnership with NBC's Universal and Comcast.
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  Speaker 3: He's very influential, involved in politics, used to have a
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  Speaker 3: very sort of well regarded voting initiative, very involved in tech.
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  Speaker 3: Fun fact is that he was when Elon Musk decided
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  Speaker 3: to take over Twitter. Shawn Comes is one of his
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  Speaker 3: early investors, and I was reading a book about this,
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  Speaker 3: and early on some of the black leadership was like, ooh,
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  Speaker 3: we're a little bit worried about how Elon Musk might
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  Speaker 3: moderate racial slurs on the platform. And to kind of
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  Speaker 3: quell concerns about this, he was like.
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  Speaker 2: Elon Musk was like, oh, well, do you know Diddy
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  Speaker 2: Puff and I are personal friends. We text a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of like doing the I have a black friend,
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  Speaker 3: and that black friend is Shawn Combs, right, and so
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  Speaker 3: I share that to share Shawn Colmes was this is
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  Speaker 3: this incredibly influential person who sits at the crossroads of
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  Speaker 3: all these different types of power that goes so beyond music.
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  Speaker 3: I've been rewatching old episodes of the Real Housewives of
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  Speaker 3: New York, like first season, second season, third season. The
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  Speaker 3: amount of times that Seawn Holmes comes up on this
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  Speaker 3: show about sort of well to do New York white
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  Speaker 3: ladies who are all wealthy when they go to the Hamptons,
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  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, you're going to the diddy party later. Like,
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  Speaker 3: he is such a figure in so many different circles,
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  Speaker 3: and that's clearly intentional, right, Like, that's clearly a way
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  Speaker 3: for him to sort of become this powerful figure that
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  Speaker 3: no one would ever believe these horrible things about because
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  Speaker 3: he hobnobs with such you know, powerful wealthy people. And
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  Speaker 3: so I would argue that this story with Combs, it's
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  Speaker 3: really not just about celebrity scandals. It's really about power,
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  Speaker 3: how it's held, how it's protected, and how social media
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  Speaker 3: can really be used to shape the narrative and also
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  Speaker 3: reinforce really harmful attitudes and tropes that silence victims and
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  Speaker 3: then shield the elite from accountability when they do something wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have been reading about these statistics around
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  Speaker 1: bots that are used in cases like this and just
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  Speaker 1: building up this social media anger and presenting usually a
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  Speaker 1: very misogynistic viewpoint to get people to believe like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is the truth and this is what everyone thinks,
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  Speaker 1: so you should think that as well. And this is
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  Speaker 1: not the first time we've seen this in big celebrity cases.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: And it's interesting that you mentioned bots because there's been
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  Speaker 3: so much reporting an analysis after the fact with the
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  Speaker 3: Johnny Depp amber Herd trial about the way that specifically
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  Speaker 3: bots were used in an effort to shape public opinion.
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  Speaker 2: I would argue very successfully.
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  Speaker 3: But again, that was another example of like a highly
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  Speaker 3: coordinated PR campaign with this big digital component that was
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  Speaker 3: really about sort of turning the public opinion against amber
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  Speaker 3: Heard that really relied on these misogynistic tropes and really
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  Speaker 3: kind of gave a platform to people who will take
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  Speaker 3: any excuse to tear down a woman in public. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'll be curious to see how the trial with Sean
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  Speaker 3: Combs plays out.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like the ways that we're.
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  Speaker 3: Seeing this trial play out online, I would actually argue
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  Speaker 3: that like most people have gleaned that Sean Combs has
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  Speaker 3: done something wrong, Like it's not taking the way that
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  Speaker 3: I think it used to take when people would sort
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  Speaker 3: of have these online smear campaigns.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: It's interesting because cases like these have always had been rumors,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like the truth is kind of insinuated from jump,
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  Speaker 4: but you always hear like the rumors at hand. There
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  Speaker 4: are things that have been mentioned. As a person who
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  Speaker 4: was in social work, one of the things that we
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  Speaker 4: would talk about often is when we see campaigns or
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  Speaker 4: when we see trials that go into civil lawsuits and
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  Speaker 4: everybody that like whole beginning jump of people being like
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  Speaker 4: defensive and being like, oh, they're just trying to get money.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember that being a thing for Cassie as well,
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  Speaker 4: Like when she was spart coming out, She's like, why
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  Speaker 4: didn't they go the police? You know that aged old
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  Speaker 4: like really bad take on that ideal that it was
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  Speaker 4: something really bad, he would have been arrested by now, right,
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  Speaker 4: And it feels interesting that this type of case has
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  Speaker 4: come into such a way that people are just having
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  Speaker 4: to really question that conversation about like, oh, it's not
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  Speaker 4: just rumors.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there have definitely been rumors about this for
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  Speaker 3: a long time. And to your point, Sam, like, according
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  Speaker 3: to the government, the reason why shn Colms has been
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  Speaker 3: able to avoid arrest for this long is precisely what
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  Speaker 3: he's being charged with. That he used his influence and
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  Speaker 3: his businesses and his power and his money to silence
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  Speaker 3: victims and essentially engage in a sex trafficking, fraud and
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  Speaker 3: corrosion ring. So the things that he is being charged
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  Speaker 3: with these being charged with civil charges from mostly women
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  Speaker 3: and some men, who are accusing him of a wide
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  Speaker 3: range of sexual crimes, and five criminal counts, one of racketeering,
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  Speaker 3: one of conspiracy, two counts of sex trafficking by force,
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  Speaker 3: fraud or coercion, and two counts of transportation to engage
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  Speaker 3: in prostitution. So those five criminal charges are what the
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  Speaker 3: bulk of this trial is about. So basically, the government
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  Speaker 3: says that Sean Combs has been using its business enterprise
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  Speaker 3: to conduct a criminal sex trafficking and kidnapping ring, and
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  Speaker 3: that he was using money and power to intimidate victims
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  Speaker 3: and to cover up these crimes.
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  Speaker 2: For a really long time. One thing that I just
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  Speaker 2: want to like.
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  Speaker 3: Say super clearly is that if there was one narrative
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  Speaker 3: I've seen sort of being pushed in this trial is
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  Speaker 3: that he is being accused of being freaky, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: he's being like the reason why he's being on trial
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  Speaker 3: right now is because of freaky sex parties, party gatherings
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  Speaker 3: that he would call quote freak offs. But I want
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  Speaker 3: to be very clear, he is not facing charges for
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  Speaker 3: being freaky or having freaky sex or freaky parties, and
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  Speaker 3: not for nothing. Everybody knows that real freaky people create
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  Speaker 3: a culture of consent, so that wouldn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Be what this is. He is being accused of being.
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  Speaker 3: The ring leader of this like massive criminal enterprise that
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  Speaker 3: involved subjecting people to a pattern of physical and sexual abuse,
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  Speaker 3: according to federal prosecutors, and so investigators are saying that
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  Speaker 3: over a span of years, Combs would apply his victims
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  Speaker 3: with drugs and even resort to violence and intimidation to
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  Speaker 3: force them into these days long sex sessions. He did
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  Speaker 3: not act alone, according to federal prosecutors. However, no one
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  Speaker 3: else has been criminally charged in this case. Yet, according
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  Speaker 3: to the government, Combs allegedly had assistants, managers, and security
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  Speaker 3: staff who would make sure that women and male sex
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  Speaker 3: workers were present at these hotel days long sex sessions,
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  Speaker 3: and that the hotels would be staged and stocked with
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  Speaker 3: supplies like lubricant and baby oil. Which do we remember
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  Speaker 3: another man accused of gross behavior who also allegedly had
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  Speaker 3: a thing for baby oil.
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  Speaker 2: Where baby oi oil not go?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, unfortunately, Hugh Heckner.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll take this opportunity to remind folks that
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  Speaker 3: baby oial should not be used as a sexon lubricant.
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  Speaker 3: And if you are using baby oil as a sexual lubricant,
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  Speaker 3: it's no good for anybody. And it just it just
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  Speaker 3: I find it so curious that both of these men
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  Speaker 3: accused of sexual misconduct and sexual crimes apparently both had
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  Speaker 3: a thing for baby oil.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on there.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody can write an interesting essay about what's going on there,
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  Speaker 3: But don't you find that curious?
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if it's like to me, I'm like, it
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  Speaker 4: just seems like misinformation. They're inability to actually research what
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  Speaker 4: isn't isn't effective and just go on this lorics look
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  Speaker 4: at this like they accidentally sent stumbled upon it my mind,
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  Speaker 4: like they are just like, oh, baby oil, Yeah, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: this does it. And just for anybody who does use that,
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  Speaker 4: go see a doctor.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I use oil cleanser on my face when
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  Speaker 3: I when I'm wearing face paint or sunscreen.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to think about what that does.
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  Speaker 3: Internally, right, Like, no, not a good thing to be
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  Speaker 3: used for sexual lubricant.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like the best it's a sad spectrum
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  Speaker 1: because I think the best answer would be misinformation and
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  Speaker 1: the worst answer would be knowing that it causes pain
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  Speaker 1: and or just some infantilizing. With the baby oil part.
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  Speaker 3: That's also my thinking that there must be some kind
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  Speaker 3: of you know, association with baby oil, and like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, something is going on there.
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  Speaker 1: Something is going on there, and it had been happening,
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  Speaker 1: as Samantha said, there had been rumors, there have been
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  Speaker 1: people kind of talking about what was going on here,
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  Speaker 1: but it took some people speaking up being vocal about
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  Speaker 1: it before we're finally getting this trial. So can you
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  Speaker 1: talk about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So, the person who was sort of the main voice
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  Speaker 3: at the center of a lot of what's going on
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  Speaker 3: is R and B Singer.
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  Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura.
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  Speaker 3: Was in a personal and professional relationship with Sean Combs
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  Speaker 3: for over a decade, and her civil lawsuit was the
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  Speaker 3: watershed suit that preceded all the other charges. In November
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, Cassie filed a federal lawsuit against Comb's
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  Speaker 3: alleging years of physical, sexual, and emotional abuse. Her lawsuit
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  Speaker 3: also named Combs's businesses so bad Boy Entertainment, bad Boy Records,
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  Speaker 3: Epic Records, and Comb's Enterprises. After only a day so
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  Speaker 3: she came forward with these charges. It was like hours later.
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  Speaker 3: They settled these charges out of court, but her willingness
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  Speaker 3: to come forward really opened the floodgates for a dozen
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  Speaker 3: other lawsuits against Combs and so Cassie's lawsuit alleged that
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  Speaker 3: this was just the beginning of Combs's coercion and abuse, which.
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  Speaker 2: She says I took over her life.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Sam, you were talking about kind of rumors
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  Speaker 3: and whispers. I'm a music person, I'm an R and
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  Speaker 3: B person, and I remember when Cassie first came on
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  Speaker 3: the scene, there was a little bit of a feeling
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  Speaker 3: of you know, she had this one great debut album.
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  Speaker 3: Then there was a very long time until she released
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  Speaker 3: another album, and there was a question of like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it seems strange that her career didn't take off more
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  Speaker 3: considering that she's in a personal and professional partnership. Was
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  Speaker 3: one of the most important names in music. People will
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  Speaker 3: be like, what's going on with her career? Well, this
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  Speaker 3: lawsuit really gives us a little bit of a glimpse
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  Speaker 3: into what might have been going on, because she says
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  Speaker 3: that her abuse by Combs essentially took over her life.
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  Speaker 3: He would force her to take illicit drugs and force
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  Speaker 3: her to participate in these days long sex sessions with
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  Speaker 3: male sex workers, where Combs would film her and physically
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  Speaker 3: assault her. The lawsuit said that when he would attack
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  Speaker 3: her physically these this was often witnessed by Combs as
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  Speaker 3: staff like employees of.
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  Speaker 2: Bad Boy Entertainment, and she would scream out.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's a very compelling piece of testimony she
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  Speaker 3: gave where she's crying on a plane and she says,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't anybody see this? And nobody intervenes, and so she
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: says that that's basically what she was up against four.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Years and we don't.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Actually we have to take Cassie's word for it, because
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: we saw evidence of this with our own eyes. Earlier
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: this year, CNN published footage of Combs attacking Cassie in
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: a hotel lobby. Prosecutors alleged that there was a male
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: sex worker still in their hotel room at the time
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: of their surveillance video recording. Cassie testified that this video
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: was shot in a by hotel security.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Footage when she was in the middle of one of
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: these sessions in their.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Hotel and she was just like, I got to get
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: out of here and left. And in this video you
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: see her walk out of a hotel room, hit the
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: elevator button.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Combs comes into.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: The scene and really attacks her, knocks her down and
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: drags her back into the room.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It's horrifying to watch. So initially, when.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Cassie came forward, Combs was doing exactly Annie what you
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: were saying, where he said, Oh, she's just lying, she
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: just wants a pay day, YadA, YadA, YadA. Well, then
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: this footage came out and he basically would I guess.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I guess they were like, oh, we gotta settle this one.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I can no longer pretend like this didn't happen. The
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: reason why that footage took so long to become public.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Was that Diddy allegedly paid off hotel security to keep
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: that footage buried until we saw it on CNN.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It was really interesting because I remember when Gussie first
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: came out with that lawsuit and there were so many
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: people co going and defending Diddy and talking about how
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: she was just all about the money and why she
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: doing this now that she's gotten like broke since leaving
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: him or whatever whatnot. But I too, growing up in
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: the R and B Era and the loving PDD and
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: the whole crew, Like remember when she first came out
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: with her first song and then watched her become his girlfriend,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: I guess. And then as I was really huge into
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: like making of the band, I loved Dannity Kane had
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: that first album, still remember it really well, and then
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: saw Dawn with that, I was like, wait a minute,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: what's happening? And this was so freshly after j Low
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: that it just seemed odd. The timing was weird. He
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: was doing way too much, seemingly, and I remember thinking
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Cassie was like, you're actually kind of good. Why aren't
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: you singing? Oh exactly, You're just now his girlfriend. Like
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: that was such an odd jump. And also seeing Dawn
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: because during that time, I remember there was a lot
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: of drama.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, So I also watched all the iterations of Making
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the Band and Don Richards.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Of Danny Kin.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: So Danny Kane was the girl music group that was
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: formed in the third iteration of MTV's Making the Band,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: which was a show where Diddy would put together a
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: music group and then if they worked out, they would
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: get signed to his record label.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And so Don Richards from Danny Kane.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I so before Cassie ever came forward, Don had been
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: speaking out about what a bad guy did he was,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: And I feel like she was really.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Treated like a crazy psycho.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: People would be like, oh, this woman is so difficult,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Like did he gave gave her a chance?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And this is how she repays him?
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like that's really how people framed her.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And I mean, well, we see who was telling the truth,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: because down went from just speaking up about this to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: having people tell her that she was crazy or making
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: it up, to testifying in a federal court during this trial.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we see how crazy she was. Like obviously
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: she wasn't making this up because here we are having
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: a federal court court case about it.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: Aubrey also was painted as a villain, and she was
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: like at the very beginning and everybody was calling her
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: the drama queen and why the group failed was because
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: of Aubrey. But then like as again comes about because
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: she played They played her as the diva cache, they
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: played her as the over the top princess and big
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: villain in this conversation too, And she was the loudest
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: one before, like especially watching down being on on Sean
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Combe's arms. She was like, this is weird, this is
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: not cool. They did all these things, and it turned
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: out she was the only one that did not sign
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: the NDA out of the group. So she was very,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: very loud about. She didn't ever accuse, but she was
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: just like, this is not what you think it is.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: And she was really loud about that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: She put out a thing in People magazine, And to
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: be clear, she was not subpoenaed or called to testify
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: in the current trial, but she put out a piece
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: in People magazine, I think just a couple of days
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: ago where she said, I have been speaking the truth
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: about Diddy for twenty years, and you're absolutely right. The
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: way that she was so easily painted as a delusional
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: drama queen diva, and it's like, oh, well, we see
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: who was delusional because one of us is going in
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: front of a federal court right now and it's not
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Aubrey Hodet.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, right right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: There's so much to be said in this case. It
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: was again following up the initial part was like they're
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: all lying, they're just trying to pay. And Dinny was
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: doing a kind of good job in painting Cassie as
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: that as well. I remember, like for the first like
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: second until that video was released, people were like, yeah,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: this is another he said, she said, and she's causing
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: this drama again all these things, and then as it
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: comes about and that video comes out, everybody's like, oh
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: never mind, Oh never mind. And then you don't really
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: know because they did settle that case out of court
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: and it was so quick and everybody's like, oh, yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: she got her pay, she got her pay. We don't
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: know what, we know, something's gone down. And then trying
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: to figure out what was in that that was so
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: even more damning than that one video that There's a
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: lot to be said about what was in her testimony.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Her testimony has been heartbreaking, some of them, I mean
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I and she's not the only person who's testified, has
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: been a lot of people testifying. But essentially, she says
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: that she was forced into these drug fueled sexual encounters
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: with male escorts. That I mean, the things that she
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: says went on during these events, I mean, I won't
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: get into all of it here, but it is well,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: just call it unpleasant. And that importantly Holmes would film
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: this and then use those videos as a way to
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: further extort her into complying. And so her mother, Regina Ventura,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: testified that at one point, did he essentially blackmailed her
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: mom into paying him twenty thousand dollars. Now, mind you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: Didny is a very wealthy man. You have Cassie Ventura's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: mother being forced to pay him twenty thousand dollars because
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: he was angry that for a brief while Cassie left
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: him and started a brief relationship with rapper Kid Cuddy,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: and did he a parent allegedly told Cassie Venturer's mother, Regina,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: if you do not pay me twenty thousand dollars, I
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: will release these TAPESA one of the releases.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: He said, was going to be on Christmas Day.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: So Cassie's mom and her husband said they had to
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: take out a home equity loan to fulfill that payment
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: to Colmbs because it was the only way they can get.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: The money right.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And so it is so not only was her testimony
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: completely heartbreaking, you know when it comes to these sort
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: of gendered tropes that were seeing play out online, the
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: way that people are responding to what Cassie is saying,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: it is also difficult because you know when people say
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: why didn't she leave, It's like, well, he was extorting
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: her mom, right, Like we saw a video of her
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: trying to leave and he physically attacks her and dragged
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: her back into the room. So when people ask these
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: questions of like, well, why didn't she leave, it's.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Like I could, I could understand why.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: That would be difficult, Like he physically would not let
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: her Sam. Cassie was nineteen when they met and Diddy
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: was thirty seven, so she was a child when they met.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And it's just it breaks my heart that she.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Cross paths with someone who was such a powerful abuser
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: for so long. Like some of the testimonies she gives
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: is the way that he impacted her career, that she
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: would do things and say things just to keep him calm,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: because he basically had the power to blow up her life,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: her professional life, her family life, and so she talks
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: about how she basically would say and do anything just
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: to keep him from doing something erratic, doing something dangerous,
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: hurting her family. One of the pieces of testimony that
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I also found pretty compelling is that the rapper kid
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Cutty at one point she briefly left Diddy and started
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: a brief relationship with him, and he testified that when
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: this happened, did he broke into his home unwrapped Christmas
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: gifts so we're under his Christmas tree, and locked his
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: dog into a bathroom, and then shortly thereafter his car
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: was firebombed, right, and so he went to Ditty's.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: He believes Diddy did this.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: He went to Diddy's hotel room to talk about it,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: and according to this testimony, he said that it was
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: pretty clear that Diddy was not going to let Cassie
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: sort of be free and have a relationship with somebody else,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and that essentially they broke off their relationship because Cassie
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: said it was not safe for them to truck, try
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: to be with each other, try to do anything because
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: this was the means that Diddy would go to control
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: her behavior and prevent her from seeing somebody else. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: so yeah, when people get into this, this this, I mean,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the trompe is really tired.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: As it is. But when people ask like, why didn't.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: She leave, that's a pretty good reason why someone won't leave. Firebombings,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars payoffs from your mom putting her house
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: at collateral for a loan to pay off a millionaire,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Like I can understand why she didn't.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Leave, right, I mean honestly, not that I'm not saying
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: this is a thing, but like when people are dying
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: around him, his like peer group, including his ex wife,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: including a partner, including several other people. I know these
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: are all alleged, and there's a lot of rumors about that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Just that's enough. Even if the whle he said was
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: do you notice what happens to these people, whether it's
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: a threat or whether it's just yeah, bad karma or
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: bad whatever he wants to say, that'd be enough. That'd
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: be enough to be like, I'll stick around, It's okay.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can only imagine how terrifying that would be
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: and the feeling of, you know, when she briefly was
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: in a relationship with kid Cutty. She testified that Shan
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Colmbs told her that she and kid Cutty were putting
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: themselves at physical risk by doing this, and he said, specifically,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it won't be at my hands, but you will, like
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: something bad will happen to you. And you know, diddyou
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: is someone who does have people close to him that
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: have met bad means, I'll put it that way, and
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: so I can understand.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Why this is how she felt.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would be really, really terrifying, and so yeah,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: it just goes to show that that trope, for so
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: many reasons, doesn't really apply, and it just flies in
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the face of what we know about abuse. You know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: abusers often are using emotional manipulation, they're isolating people, they're
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: controlling their partners. You also can feel more connected to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: your abuse because he's like trauma bonded because you met
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: him when you were nineteen a child.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Cassie testifies to that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: She says that a lot of the times that during
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: their relationship, when he would do this behavior that was
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: so horrible to her.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: It was confusing because.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: You know, they had been in a relationship for over
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: a decade, so she still felt affection and love for him,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: and I can only imagine how confusing that would be.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: So this kind of fear of physical violence or other
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: forms of retribution, we know keeps victims of abuse trapped
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: in relationships. And yeah, Cassie speaks to the way that
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: this was a huge motivating factor for.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Her, as we've been speaking to this whole time. Unfortunately,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: this is not necessarily new, these tropes, and I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of women when there's a big trial like this,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: we kind of brace ourselves because we know we're gonna
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: see these things play out. And now that we're seeing
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: kind of changing technology around bots and AI, perhaps it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: gotten intensified. But you also said some of it it's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a little a little different. So what are some of
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: these other tropes that we're seeing.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's a good old fashioned gold digger trope
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: which has come up quite a bit during this trial.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Combs's lawyer said this in his opening statement, quote, when
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: you hear from the witnesses who testify here, who will
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: tell you that they were victimized, and you ask yourself,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: what is your motive?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: For many of them, the answer is simple money.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: And so he referred to Cassie's civil suit seeking damages
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: against Combs as a money grab.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: The defense lawyer.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Then asked this question of the jury, quote, how many
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: millions of reasons is this witness swearing to tell the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: truth and nothing but the truth have to lie. But
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: you know, we've talked about this before. Cassie already settled
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: her civil suit with Diddy.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: He's settled. Like, she filed that suit by two pm
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: and by three pm.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: They were like, let's just here's here you go. You're right,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: let's just not And so first of all, come on, now,
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: like you wouldn't do You wouldn't do that, You would
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: not settle so quickly if this was some sort of
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: a financial extortion situation. And at this point that civil
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: suit was already settled, So why would she continue to
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: do this? If this were like all about money? That
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: civil suit has already been settled. And I guess that's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: always the first thing people say when this kind of
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: thing happens is, oh, it's a money grab. In what
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: way are all of these people who are testifying making money?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Like one of the people who testifies is Cassie's former
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: good friend who said that, like, you know, many years ago,
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: did he attacked her trying to figure out who Cassie
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: was cheating with. I'm putting cheating in quotes because who
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: knows what was going on? And she testified that did
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: he held a wooden coat hanger up to her throat
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: and was like strength her and that she when she
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: told Cassie about it, Cassie was like, oh, something big
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: of a deal, Like you're exaggerating what happened, YadA YadA, YadA,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: and it ruined their friendship. She signed it, She signed
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: an NDA, and she was like, I never spoke to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: either of them again.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: She in her testimony, she was like, I just want
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: to go on with my life. Somebody like that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: What would she have to gain financially from testifying to
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: what happened? Right, Like, she has not spoken to either
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: of these people in.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: A very long time. She signed an NDA. She was
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: silent for years.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: What will these have financial impetus for somebody to blow
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: up their life by testifying?
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Financially there isn't one.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: There are others who have testified that didn't get anything
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: and are looking pretty ugly because we know when this
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: type of trap, especially when there's a lot of abuse
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: as well as trauma as well as kind of like
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: the whole Stockholm syndrome. They become a part of the
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: problem as well, which is a whole different conversation and
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: like a layered onion that you have to get into
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: because there could be charges because of this. Of course,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: there's probably plea deals for to flying against p Diddy
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: slash Shawn Combs, but the actuality is like when they
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: start talking about these are the things I had to
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: do for him, it doesn't look good, like there's no
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: reason to do those for themselves.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, staf former staffers of Diddy who say, oh yeah,
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I remember him attacking Cassie physically her crying out, saying
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: somebody help me.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: And I just looked the other way.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Who would be paying them to say these things publicly
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: if they didn't actually happen. Like the people who say this,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I'm so curious for them to finish the thought of
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: like being paid by who Who is the person who
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: was like writing the check? So they were doing these
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: things because they were on staff being paid by Diddy.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Who would be paying them now to speak up about
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: what they did when these things make them look terrible?
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think it's interesting that Cassie's so young.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: When Sean Combs met her, and we were automatically like
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: framing it in the way, she must have been in
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it for the money instead of thinking about like the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: opposite side of it. We were like, oh no, she
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: this like a nineteen year old must have been thinking
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: about this money though.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Annie, So I have like a perhaps unpopular opinion about this,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: and I will stand by and defend. I fully understand
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: that a nineteen year old and a thirty seven year
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: old being consentually together is not illegal if it's above
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: the age of consent. But come on, now, what about
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: a thirty seven year old man have to be doing?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Like what would a thirty seven year old adult be
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: doing with a nineteen year old? Like, I don't care
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: what anybody says. I'm not saying it's against the law,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: but I am saying, like if my thirty seven year
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: old friend was like, hey, meet my new girlfriend. She's nineteen,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I don't have an opinion about that. I fully understand
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: this is it's not breaking the law. I'm still going
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: on the record and saying I don't love it, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: then that we should be looking at that thirty seven
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: year old man like what's going on that you're trying
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: to start a relationship with a nineteen year old, right?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: I mean he kind of proved what he was doing
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: and it had nothing to do with love or being,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: you know, being so head over heels about someone. It
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: was to show off and show control, which is what
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: he did. Like I remember clearly at one of the
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: MTV Awards and her coming out again with Dawn on
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Shawn Combs's arms and then being having to be dressed
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: up in him, like showing them off as again as
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: if his property and being like, look what I did,
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: like trying to change her image. I remember her initial
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: video to when she was in her early twenties and
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: being established with Shawn Combs, like how her so much
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: of her change and it was him taking credit as
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: much as he was taking credit for these bands that
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: he supposedly created in their images and making sure that people,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: including the audience and including all of the crowd, knew
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: that it was his ownership and that that's what he
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: was the proudest of. And people took that as a thing.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: They really were like, Yeah, yeah, he's the man, because
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: he's not only this guy, but he can control these
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: young girls and he can get him. You know, it
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: was played out and he was very proud of that,
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: and we see that often in these kind of dynamics
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: in general.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So when this when the charges were first popping up,
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: people found this old interview with the rapper Young Jack,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: who was talking about being out with Cassie and Diddy,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: and that Diddy, according to him, jumped up on a
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: bar during a party in twenty eighteen and said, quote, Yo, Cassie, tomorrow,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I want you to shave the side of your head,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: and that Young Jack says that he recalls being shocked
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: by this request. He turned to Cassie and asked if
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: she was were they going to go through with it,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: and Cassie reportedly responded, well, whatever Sean wants me to do,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I'm going to do. And so as you remember that,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, Cassie is a gorgeous woman. So it kind
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: of I don't mean it almost weirdly backfired because it
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: started a trend. And this was like women were wearing
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: the half shaved head because it was like, oh, Cassie
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: looks so good, I'll never forget go into a hair
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: stylist and asking for that, and she was like, honey,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: you're no Cassie, but I.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She was like, I don't think it's a good
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: look for you.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna She refused to do it, and so
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: according to young Jack, Cassie did shave the side of
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: her head and sent him a picture the next day
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to prove it right. And so the reason why he
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: maybe wanted to be with somebody so young was because
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: he was looking for somebody moldable that he could control,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: and then he could make a show of controlling like that,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: like not just controlling her behind closed doors, making a
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: show of how much control he had over these things
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: that are so intimate, like the way that black women
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: wear our hair, Like that's a that's a very intimate
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: emotional thing, and I can imagine somebody wanting to make
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: a show out of that. They can control you down
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: to these things that are so tied to our identities
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: and who we are, like our hair.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Right, I mean the whole I've got her name. She
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: was the choreographer for making the band. They got into
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: a huge fight, oh yeah, and then they had to
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: cut it real quick. But like it showed his true
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: side and true characteristics of him being really controlling and
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: over the top with his anger issues slash control issues.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad you brought this up. And I have
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: to like, I'm a little complicit in this myself, because,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: as I said, I watched every season of Making the Band.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: There was a time where it was iconic television. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: if you watch that show, you remember that he made
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the band walk all the way from Lower Manhattan to
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Brooklyn and back to get him a slice of cheesecake
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, which, like, I've made
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: that walk, it is a long walk, and that when
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: they brought the cheesecake to him, he didn't even eat it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: And I remember watching this and being like, Wow, he's
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: really teaching them a lesson.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: This is great TV. It wasn't great TV.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: It was controlling behavior of a power hungry narcissist.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting to me.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: The way that these things, looking back on these things now,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: they seem so much darker. I mean, obviously I didn't
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: know what was going on with Diddy then, I had
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: not heard those allegations.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: I was in and You're high.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: But the way that his controlling, over the top behavior
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: was glamorized and sold back to us as this is
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: how the industry really is like, these people who want
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: to be in the music industry need to understand and
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: get on board.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: But the way that did he wants to do things.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: I cringe thinking about how I consumed that as entertainment
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: when I was younger.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: All right, and I had small hopes that I could
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: be a part of a band. Maybe I could be
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: I could sing, and I can dance and train like that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, we that was glamorized to the point where you
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: they had you watching it, wish wishing you could walk
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: to Brooklyn for Cheesecakeman, this monster.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I'll do I'll do it, you know.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: With all of this in conversation though, and I've had this,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: I've had this specific topic with a lot of different women,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: especially when it comes to like domestic violence and uh
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: intimate violence when we talk about when it comes to
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: the racial aspect of this as well. I have talked
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: to several different black women who are so strong talking
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: about they never wanted to report it, They never wanted
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: to talk about it because if they did, they would
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: put one more black man under a system that we
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: know is going to be unfair from jump, like, there's
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: no doubt about it. But then on top of because
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: when you look at the comparison of the white man
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: versus black men who are going to be severely punished
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: and who is going to be the scapegoat of all
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: of everything, Like, there's this level of moment where they're like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: do I really want to do this? Am I a
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: part of the system if I actually tell the truth
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: and try to get justice. There's a whole level on that.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: And Sean Combs has become like R Kelly too was
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: one of those like, yeah, you're just doing this because
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: he's black type of conversation.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I feel that any time like a famous
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: man end of sentence, but also famous black men especially
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: is it is a tough conversation because you know, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: do think in the black community there's this attitude that
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: we are supposed to protect powerful abusers because they are black.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: And I think what they are what folks who are
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: upholding is what they're really saying is that not that
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: we want better for all for everybody, everybody dess better. No, No,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: what they're actually saying is black men should be able
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: to abuse people with impunity the same way that powerful
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: white men do. And that and that is that that
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: is the future that they want and so like that
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: feels or looks like progress to them, and that's not
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: what I want. I want a future where no man
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: is allowed to do this kind of thing without consequences
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: and being held accountable. But I think that's what they're
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: actually saying, right There is a I don't want to
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: get into a whole thing, but there is a famous
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: black man who I cannot stand, and I have many
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: reasons why I can outstand him, but one of the
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: reasons why I can outstand him is that he has
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: a whole flew of sexual misconduct allegations in his past
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: and that nobody ever really brings them up that much.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: And when I post about it on social media every
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: single time, there is at least one and usually more
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: people in my comments being like, well, Trump get gets
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: away with it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: You know, they like the Trump president.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: And what they're really saying is like, our guys, black
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: men should be able to break the law and be
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: horrible without consequences, just like white men, and that it
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: is not a future that I want. That it's not
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: what a quality looks like to me. That is not
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: what progress looks like to me. And I think it's
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: interesting that you bring up r Kelly, because it is
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: a thing that we see, you know, men who are
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: powerful who are also abusers. Oftentimes they are doing things
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: that make you think of them in a positive light,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: precisely so that they can, you know, create the conditions
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: where they can keep doing things without accountability.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: In an episode that we did of my podcast, There
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Are No Girls on the Internet, we were covering Epstein,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and one of the things about Epstein was that he
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: would do these things to ingratiate himself in the upper
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: echelons of the tech world, like making big donations to
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: MIT's renowed Media Lab and other respected institutions, to shield
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: himself from his vast crimes. Right, so Bill Cosby did
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: the same thing. R Kelly did the same thing, did he?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: You know, he was known for this iconic white party
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: that was like a who's who of a list celebrities.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: He donates to all the right causes. He gave a
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: million dollars to his alma mater, Howard University here in DC.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: All of these things that are basically meant to shield
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: him from being called out. And even his attorney said
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: this in a statement when when Cassie was first coming
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: forward with the relegations. His attorney said, Sean did Hey
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Combs is a music icon, self made entrepreneur, loving family man,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: and proven philanthropists who have spent the last thirty years
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: building an empire, adoring his children, and working to uplift
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: the black community. So basically, it's I've done all these
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: great things for my community.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: How could I ever be an abuser? And I think that's.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Exactly why they do these things, and so that when
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: someone comes and says, he did this horrible thing to me,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: they can point to this record of you know, philanthropy
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: and uplifting a community to say that, no, he did it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: That's exactly I mean, it's such an old playbook. It's
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: exactly what his attorney did.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: It's so gross because it is it's that whole level
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: of like his good days outweigh his bad days. We
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: just need to sacrifice some of these people for the
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: betterment of the community. And that's been a thing everywhere
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: in the church, even like we look at the amount
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: of abuse that happens within churches and within you know, priesthoods,
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: they are so willing to not only do so they
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: don't look bad, but they also because but they've done
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: really well and they've done good for the community and
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: actually not remembering. But these are the underlying issues that
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: this is who he really is, whether you want to
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: believe it or not. The abuse and the control is
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: who he is. He just has a great amount of
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: money to be able to prove otherwise.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we saw.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's it's funny that you say this because when he
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: really when that video of him attacking Cassie from the
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: hotel surveillance put it came forward, he made one but
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: before things is really snowballed and it was like, okay,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: this is there's nothing you can say.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: He made one of those grainy videos.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: That a celebrity makes where he was like, listen, that
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: person that you saw in that video, that's not who
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I am. And it's like, actually, was who you are?
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: It wasn't your clone. Okay with you, homie, Like that's you.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: You do these things.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: We saw what you do. Like, don't try to tell
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: me that wasn't you. You've grown this and that that's you.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: We see who you are. You've shown us we are
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: who you are.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, And it's also interesting bringing up the religious aspect
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: just in terms of I feel like this whole idea
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: of younger people. But women in this case can't. They
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: can't control themselves, and men, grown men can't control themselves
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: around them, and so really, whose fault is this? This
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is like kind of another troupe, like literally the adult man.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: But that's something we see online is sort of this
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: idea of like, oh, but she she was she was
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: consenting though she kind of wanted this whole thing, or
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: like she.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Was fast, you know, And yes, I just I guess
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: that's my sort of overall point is that we have
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: all of these ready made tropes and excuses that are
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: so repeatable that really, I mean, they just absolve men
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: of their own behavior and I'm just so sick of it,
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: and yeah, it just it has to change. And I
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: think that it's not surprising to me that we're seeing
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: all of this kind of stuff play out in court
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: because did He obviously has hired lawyers to say these things.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I get it, but we don't people don't have to
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: repeat them on the internet. Right, I'm not gonna begrudge
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: did He getting the best you know, lawyer that he
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: can to truck. You know, it isn't until we've been guilty.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Totally get it, But that doesn't mean that we should
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: be giving credence to these tropes that are so gendered
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: and so misogynistic that absolve people of their wrongdoing. I
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: think that's my bigger point is that the way that
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: these tropes are so easily and often repeated online whenever
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: there's a high profile case like this, I believe it
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: trickles down into our everyday lives. And so when someone
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: who's not an A lister like Cassie is accusing someone
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: who is not an A lister like Diddy of this
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: kind of wrongdoing, I think the same way that that
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: we're poised and primed to hear these tropes like this
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: play out in a high profile celebrity case, it's going
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: to happen in these cases that are not high profile
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: celebrities as well, and so we should really when we
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: hear them, we should program ourselves to check them and
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: then push back on them because so often they're just
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: not true.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so many problems. Well, what's next with the trial?
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: So the trial is ongoing, and according to Rolling Stone,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Combs is already working on a pardon from President Trump
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: if he's convicted. Several long time friends and allies of
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Combs have began making connections with Trump's team with the
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: hopes of laying the groundwork for presidential pardon if Combs
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: is in fact found guilty on the charges par rolling Stone.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Combs's team is hoping to appeal to Trump by drawing
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: a comparison between their shared stories two successful businessmen allegedly
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: targeted by federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: York with baseless accusations of sexual assault. Combs and Trump
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: have reportedly maintained a friendly personal relationship for over a decade,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: and just recently Trump was asked about this, and he said,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: you know, nobody's asked if I'll pardon, did he But
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: if he doesn't get a fair trial, I'll certainly look
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: at it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: So I honestly, you never know, it might work.
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, it probably will, Like I I just didn't he already, Yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I remember correctly. There was a segment when he's like
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: trying to prove that he knows black people. Yes, like
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: I know buff Daddy.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: We're friends.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for Trump
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: to have another name to throw out when he's trying
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: to say all these different black people you know, one
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: of my favorite quotes, of his favorite quotes of is
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: when he was like, I have a wonderful relationship with
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: the Blacks, And I remember thinking, like, that's how you
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: know you have a bad relationship when you call that,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: when you call us the blacks?
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: You know, Oh my god, sure am I trying to
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: kill a lot of them? It's all good. Wow. And
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: this is the saddest part is I feel like puffs lawyers.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: I keep calling him puff because why not is that
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: this is probably the best route for them going to
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: get in a pardon.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, we could do a whole episode about this.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Trump just pardoned to other reality stars the Chris Lies
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: for tax evasion. I again, I think it's a good play.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I think if I were on Diddy's team and I
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: was being paid to ensure that he did not face accountability,
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I would say, yeah, honestly, the chargest thing. Let's just
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: let that play out. Let's take it to the top.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: President Trump, I think, I mean, I honestly do think
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: if he is convicted of these charges, I would not
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: be surprised if Trump actually did pardon him. Because Joe
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Exotic from Tiger King has been begging Trump for a pardon.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: He did not get that pardon.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: And I think that the thing is Trump likes the celebrity,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: the convicted celebrities who are like project wealth in a
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: way that.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Sean Kings does. Wealth and influence in power. That's what
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: he likes, right.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: I think he just pardoned the a sheriff in Virginia,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: and his constituents are very pissed about that. They're like, no, yeah,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: part is like what you think you were.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Of course he did, like he's a fellon himself. Of
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: course He's like, oh yeah, criminals people.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: This is my consistuents, these are my people.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: And I think going back to your point earlier about
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: watching this show and seeing p Diddy at the time
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: being like, hey, walk into walk this far with cheesecake
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to eat it, and we were like, yeah,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could make a pretty easy jump
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: to Trump being on the Apprentice and having that behavior
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and being real terrible. And I was being like, but
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing, not me, but you know,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: in general people and now look who's president.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I have long believed that the overlap between the rise
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  Speaker 3: of reality TV fame and the rise.
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  Speaker 2: Of political power of people like Trump.
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  Speaker 3: That is, I mean, that's there's a thread there.
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  Speaker 2: I guess I'll put it that way. I totally agree.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, well again, we would love to keep talking because
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  Speaker 1: so many other questions come to mind, And I know
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  Speaker 1: you've spoke about this on your own podcast right about
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  Speaker 1: AI and how it's kind of yes contribut to this.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for reminding me.
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  Speaker 3: So if folks want to hear more about the way
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  Speaker 3: that this trial is playing out online, we did a
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  Speaker 3: whole episode of my podcast, There Are No Girls on
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  Speaker 3: the Internet about the intersection of Diddy, conspiracy theories and AI.
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  Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, AI is being used to turbocharge incorrect, inaccurate
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  Speaker 3: information and narratives about this trial. If you have seen
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  Speaker 3: a story online saying that they played a video.
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  Speaker 2: Of prints during the trial, that's not true.
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  Speaker 3: If you heard if you heard that Ashton Cutcher testified,
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  Speaker 3: that's not true. President Obama, Oprah, that's not true all AI.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Listen to the podcast for more.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It is truly wild.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, it's going to be like a Pizzagate type
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  Speaker 4: of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, oh no, I mean, if you ask the Internet,
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  Speaker 3: every celebrity under the sun somehow is all in the
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  Speaker 3: courtroom testifying, and then no other like, no reputable news
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  Speaker 3: outlet is writing about it.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: And there are eating children?
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Wow, well, thank you Bridget. Listeners definitely go check that out.
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  Speaker 1: But Bridget, where can the listeners find you In the meantime.
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  Speaker 2: While listen to my podcast.
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  Speaker 3: There are our girls on the internet and you can
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  Speaker 3: follow me on social media on Instagram at Bridget Marie
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  Speaker 3: and DC, on TikTok at Bridget Marie and DC, and
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  Speaker 3: on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: There are no girls on the internet.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, and please go do that listeners. If you have
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  Speaker 4: No Yeah,