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Jerm Warfare - Shannon Joy on everything being a reality show · UK Column Radio

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None. All right, it has been a few
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years. Shannon Joy, thank you for
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joining me in the trenches. I'm so glad to be here and
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pardon my voice a little bit under the weather, but I'm going
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to power through. I'm so glad to be here with you.
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Well, the feelings mutual, you know when you're not last
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chatted. It was a few years ago, we were
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in the thick of the sort of COVID psyop.
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So much has changed since then, and yet also so much hasn't
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changed. Absolutely.
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I mean, here in the United States of America, we had an
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election and installed a president who half of the
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country, including the medical freedom movement, thought was
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going to be the solution to the tyranny of 2021 through 2024
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under the Biden administration. The forced vaccination or
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coerced vaccination, the horrifying lockdown policies,
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the kill protocols, everything that came out of 2020.
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And it's interesting that in America we elected essentially
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the guy who locked us down in the 1st place thinking that he
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was going to come in and and change things, especially with
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the installation of Bobby Kennedy Junior at HHS.
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Everyone thought this was going to be a revolution.
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This was going to be, we were going to get the truth about the
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lies surrounding the pandemic. We were going to get the truth
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about the vaccines. We were going to take the mRNA
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shots off the market. We were going to hold
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accountable the people who deployed the kill protocols and
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the anti human just authoritarianism that we saw and
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interestingly enough, Jeremy, like nothing has happened like
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there and we have. Did you expect?
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Something. But did you expect something to
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happen? Well, I didn't like you, I.
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Don't. Know.
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Yeah, no, I never did. And you know, This is why I'm
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somewhat of a pariah in America. I mean, I've built a a very
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large platform. I'm independent, so I'm not left
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or right. I think that both political
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parties are horrible. Yeah, horrifyingly corrupt.
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But I really believe it. A lot of people will say that
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word. You'll see people uniparty,
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uniparty, and they'll say that they believe that the two
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parties are working together in tandem to push a a anti liberty
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and technocratic agenda. But you know, without fail,
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every four years, every two years, when there is an
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election, six months before the election and then three months
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before the election, they all line up into their columns.
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And then they all begin to repeat the old tropes of the
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partisan divide and they shuffle into the voting booth and they
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pull their levers. It's a pageant here in the US
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for one side or the other. And so we continue to be mired
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in this process. Even though our rhetoric as a
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culture has changed a bit. We are still kind of in this
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lock grip of the two party political paradigm that we
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cannot get out. It's a death spiral.
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Because I believe, Jeremy, that absolutely the parties work
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together, they work in tandem and we we have more of actors in
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our country than anything else. So I mean I.
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You're sorry, but your president literally is he's a, he's a, a
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TV show host. Oh, Jeremy, I I believe that
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what we're witnessing is literally reality TV, loosely
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scripted reality TV. And Donald Trump is not.
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He doesn't have power and he's a puppet actor.
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He's installed. He's you know, and, and so
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nothing, I mean the the insanity of what we're seeing in the USI
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mean we are devolving into a Banana Republic.
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Our government has been shut down for a month and I don't
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know that they'll ever really open it again because all of the
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larger mechanisms. A shutdown doesn't really mean a
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shutdown in the US. It means certain non essential
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massive budgets, but non essential agencies are, are not
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being funded because Congress cannot enact appropriations.
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So the money to pay for the things among other things, you
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know, involved in a shutdown, certain key elements of the
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government are never shut down. So all of those are still in
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place. They're still working.
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You know, 75%, I don't know if my percentages are are on and
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off 75% of the government is still functioning.
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But now they have this nice little slush fund on the side
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right the the end. The perfect example, Donald
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Trump just got a private benefactor to pony up
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$130,000,000 to pay the military in the US.
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And our military personnel got their paychecks on October 15th,
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which they weren't supposed to from a private benefactor.
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Meaning essentially in the US, we have the equivalent of a
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mercenary military force. We have the, I mean, it's, it's
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like the mafia. It's, you know, we have private
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entities, no congressional oversight, no transparency.
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And it's unclear who they work for.
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I mean, you know, you work for the person who pays you.
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So now we, the people aren't paying our military anymore.
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It's coming from private benefactors.
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It's insane. It's insane.
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What is this going on? I I think we're witnessing A
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coup d'etat in the USA. Second, Trump initiated the
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first with the lockdowns of 2020.
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That was a military operation. That was a DoD operation.
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Yes, yes. People don't realize that, by
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the way. It's, it's because Maha again
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was just SAIOP over SAIOP over SAIOP, layered and intertwined.
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And so Maha came. I believe that Maha is a psyop.
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I believe that MAGA is a psyop. The medical freedom community,
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in my opinion, was infiltrated and redirected through Maha.
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And tragically, Bobby Kennedy Junior, who was a champion for
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20 years and achieved an enormous amount, but he made the
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decision to align with Donald Trump and enter the belly of the
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beast, which is why don't. You think he meant well, but
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don't you think he meant well? They all do, they all do, they
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all do. It's a hubris that is very
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human, right? And it's something that we have
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seen throughout human history. This is nothing new.
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If you go back 5000 years in human history, you will find,
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you know, I'm a Christian, I believe in Christ.
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I've read my Bible three times from the book of Revelations to,
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or I'm sorry, from Genesis to the book of Revelations in
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multiple versions and translations.
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And you go back into, I mean, the beginning of human history
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and these same types of things play out, right?
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It begins with human hubris, meaning, well, I'm going to be
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the guy that can go in and shake things up.
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I'm going to have the moral clarity and the ability to do
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things. And they all go in thinking that
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that they just need this power in order to do XY and Z.
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But invariably they go in the The Dirty little secret is that
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you can't get to Washington, DC unless you compromise severely
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and, and most people, you have to do 1 bad thing after another.
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You have to tell one lie after another.
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And we watched Bobby Kennedy Junior begin to lie to his
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constituency from the very beginning, from his very first
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speech. He wouldn't even say the word
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vaccine. His very first speech ending his
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campaign and lining up with President Trump I don't even
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believe mentioned COVID-19 vaccine or COVID.
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But it was also also, do you remember how he was speaking
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with a forked tongue? He, he said that the measles
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vaccine was the best way to treat measles.
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And then and then Children's Health defense kind of just they
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distance themselves from that statement.
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And then he had to do damage control and so on and so forth.
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Oh, that was just the beginning. That was just the beginning.
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Now, Bobby Kennedy junior testified in front of a a a
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joint committee hearing about two months ago and said, I'm
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paraphrasing here. My goal is to have every
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American citizen on a wearable device.
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Yes, in four years. Yes, yes, I remember.
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They want to use AI technology to create 500 new.
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While not these are two separate, they want to use AI
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technology to create new forms of vaccines.
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To treat. Yeah, that's Stargate.
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They want they have. There are 5 not not only is the
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COVID vaccine still on the market, that the poisoned bio
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weapon is still being distributed through HHS and
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promoted by HHS to pregnant women and babies.
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By the way, that was a lie when they said that they were
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changing the recommendations. They are not.
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It's ambiguous, it's confusing and they are still recommending
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the COVID vaccine for every person or every person in an at
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risk category, which includes every pregnant women, women,
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woman. They are defined as at risk and
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also 75% of the population of children in the US because they
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have asthma, allergies, you know, ADHD, any version of of
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adverse event. So they're lying, they're
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playing games. And you know, they're also
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developing and fast tracking 500, more than 500 new mRNA
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technologies right now, right now.
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And so Jay Bhattachary, not a single penny from NIH, that's
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our National Institute of Health, not a single penny to
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study the mechanisms of harm from a vaccine.
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They are absolutely abandoning the vaccine injured.
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They won't even acknowledge the vaccine injured.
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They won't acknowledge COVID vaccine injuries, but they're
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pumping billions and billions into the development of new
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MRAMRNA technologies, aerosolized vaccines, do you
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name it. Shannon, come on.
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We, we, we all know it's, it's, it's 5D chess.
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We know this because Q told us. No, no, no, no, Jeremy.
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No, no. I mean, it's I I don't, I think
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the in the US we might, aside from China, we're probably the
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most propagandized culture on the face of the planet.
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It's insane. Q Anon SIOP.
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And you know, by the way, I called that out, Jeremy, your
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audience will love this about me.
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I'm the girl. I'm that girl.
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I'm the girl who's going to tell you those pants make your butt,
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your butt look big, right? Like not to be a jerk.
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I want you to look good, right? I want you to look good in your
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jeans. And I'm not going to sugarcoat
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it, right? And so I told my audience.
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Now, as I mentioned, I'm a Christian, I'm a conservative.
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I have Christian conservative values.
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I believe in liberty, though. I believe people should have the
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right to to worship in the way that they want is not as long as
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they're not, you know, encroaching on our civil
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liberties. And so when I started my career
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as a talk radio host on AM talk radio out of it, I kid you not,
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a double wide trailer in a cornfield in in the Finger Lakes
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region of New York, that's where I started.
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And so I'm like, yeah, you know, this is going to be great.
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I'm going to be a radio host. I'm a Republican, I'm a
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conservative. They just have bad messaging.
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I'm, you know, I've been in marketing and advertising.
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I'm going to help message this because it's so easy to sell
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when people really, little did I know it was all a total fraud.
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I figured out it was the UDA party about two years into my
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show after paying attention, watching multiple cycles.
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But when Donald Trump came down the elevator, the golden
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elevator, and I'm a New Yorker and he's a New Yorker, When he
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came down that golden elevator and was like, I'm running for
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president and all of the things, I was like, this guy is a con
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man. He is a New York City Liberal
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Democrat, borderline sociopath. I mean, the guy will lie to your
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fit. He's like, there's no way this
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is going to work. And I said that 10 years ago.
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And I feel like I'm I'm Alice and I went on the rabbit hole
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and things have just gotten crazier because I never thought
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they would buy Donald Trump to begin with.
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I'm like, this is ridiculous. He's a reality TV star.
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This is not real, but lo and behold, the psyops are so
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powerful and sophisticated. Yeah, but I mean, hold on, the
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counter argument that I've heard a few times is that, well, he's
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better than Kamala Harris and Joe Biden for that matter.
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Yeah, that's a tactic. That is a diversion and a
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tactic, and it instructs us as humans to choose the lesser of
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the two evil. So yeah.
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Yes, but they're all modal management anyway.
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Well, yeah, but The thing is that, you know, if you choose
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the lesser of two evils for an extended period of time, you end
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up with just plain evil because it only descends.
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So yes, my guy is a demon, but your guy is a worse demon.
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And so then the apparatus instructs us to choose from the
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two demons. And then we have to, we have to
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compromise our values in order to play the game.
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We have to compromise what we believe as humans and what our
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principles are because we are, we hate the other side or we
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fear the other side, or we're in a full scale cult on our side.
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And so this paradigm of the the false choice is, is incredibly
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damaging and eroding. And I think we are at kind of
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the the bottom, bottom phases of the cynicism and the lies and
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the distortions and the corruption and the evil.
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Donald Trump just a couple days ago posted an AI meme of him in
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a plane with a crown on his head, a video dumping feces all
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over the United States of America.
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And the protesters, people who, yeah, they're, they're Liberal
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Democrats at the the No Kings rally primarily, but they were
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exercising their God-given natural right to express their
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opinions about government. They're extra exercising their
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right to free speech. And they were peaceful, by the
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way. And I went to a No Kings rally,
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by the way, and there was number Antifa.
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Yeah, there was number Antifa. There was, there was number
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violence. There were no blue hairs.
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I didn't see any L any LGBTQ at all.
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They were, they looked just like you and me.
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They looked like the protests that I LED four years ago when
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the government was locking down. So their trick, and it's a
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trick, and when I say it's sophisticated, I mean that it's
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sophisticated because they get us to make false choices by
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frightening us and and scaring us and dividing us from the
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other side. But it's the equivalent of
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choosing between Satan and Lucifer, stage 4 cancer or a
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heart attack. Those are the choices that
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they're giving us and they always start with, well, he's
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better than Kamala. OK.
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That is low level thinking. And anyone who thinks that way
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has failed Politics 101. They've just failed because
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that's BS, right? Like in a sane world, you can
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say this person aligns more with my values than that person,
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right? But we're just saying this
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person is less evil than my person.
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We need to reject that. The culture needs to reject
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that. You sound quite jaded though.
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I mean, who wouldn't be? I'm completely jaded, but like,
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no, but Jeremy, I'm such a Pollyanna.
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It's it's I'm, it's a duality for me, right?
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Yes. Because I believe that we can
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have a bright future. I believe that humanity can
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persist. I believe that we can break out
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of this. I know that because.
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Well, that's the question. How?
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OK, This is why I sound jaded and cynical.
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In order for us to do the things that we necessarily have to do
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as a species of humans and as a culture in our countries are
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very you're in, you're in Africa, I'm in the United
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States. You spent some time in China.
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You know, each country is going to have to figure this out on
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their own. And here in the US, each state
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is going to have to figure this out on our on its own.
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And each family, it's going to, it's going to come down to the
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individual, the family unit, the locality, your local government
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to fix these things because they are playing for keeps.
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They put this in motion. It's happening.
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We can't stop it. And there's no party that's
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going to save us. Politics will not save us.
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Donald Trump won't save us. Biden won't save us.
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Kamala won't save us, right? But in order to realize that,
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you have to shed, you have to acknowledge how corrupt they are
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in the 1st place. And that's where the cynicism
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comes in, right? It's like you've got to
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acknowledge that these people are vicious predators, that you
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can't get into a position of power unless you're a sociopath
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or a psychopath. At this point, I believe it
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wasn't always the case. There is there?
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There are wonderful examples of good governance, governance who
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governments who did their jobs correctly.
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But we also know that every government eventually,
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eventually will become corrupted.
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Every institution, because they're man made, will
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eventually become corrupted. So it is our job wherever we are
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in history. And this is cyclical.
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It's not, oh, this is the worst time in human history.
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Believe me. Like, the fall of Rome was
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pretty bad. You know, Nazi Germany was
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pretty bad. We've had lots of worst times in
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human history where evil escapes in just a breathtaking way and
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takes the lives of millions if not billions of people.
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We are at war. But it's not country versus
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country. It isn't D versus R, It is
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humanity versus these various power structures who have been
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able to accumulate so much power, but they don't have that
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much power. They need our consent.
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We have to play ball. And so the way to win is to stop
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playing ball. I don't know that I will vote in
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another election, Jeremy. I'm not sure that I will.
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The culture is doing amazing things.
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Our culture revolted against the lockdowns, and we were able to
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wrestle ourselves out of lockdown.
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And here in the US, 35 to 40% of Americans refused the shots.
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OK, that's our lesson. We're in the next phase.
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It's going to be economic and digital tyranny, and our job is
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to find each other as a culture, help each other, share
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information, refuse to be afraid, refuse to fall into the
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false political paradigms, and then refuse to comply and give
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them our consent. I'm not going to give you a
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digital ID. I'm going to use cash.
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I'm going to spend only two hours on my phone every day and
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spend the rest of the time outside with my family.
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I'm going to embrace analogue and humanity.
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And yes, certain people might want to do the whole tech thing.
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Move to Shanghai if you want to do the the tech thing, right?
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If you want to live in a technography, go for it, right?
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But we don't have to do this. We have choices as humans, and
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it always comes down to a choice.
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I've said many times. I've said many times, in fact I
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was actually saying to you just before we started recording,
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that one of the reasons why I live, I love living on the
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African continent, South Africa more specifically, is how
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backwards we are. I.
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Love it so in other we have such a useless, broken,
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infrastructural, inept government that it'll it'll take
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many, many more years for us to catch up with all this
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technocratic new world order nonsense that's happening, you
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know, on your side of the world and.
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You don't have to. You don't.
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Have to. You don't have to.
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What do you mean don't have to? Catch up.
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I don't. I don't see techno or techno
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fascism as catching up. I see it as devolving.
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It is a devolving and a retarded humanity.
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I would say you are probably hot, more highly elevated.
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I would look at a tribe in Africa and say that you're more
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highly elevated. Who?
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Who are those people in in in your country that live off the
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grid? What are they called?
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Amish. We have a ship of them, the
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Amish and the Mennonite cultures, and they're growing
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and there's. They are ahead of the curve.
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They're completely ahead of the curve.
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Absolutely. The Amish live, so I live in, in
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the Finger Lakes region of New York State about, I would say I
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don't know, 3-4 hours from northern Pennsylvania, which is,
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you know, settled by the Dutch and, and Amish country.
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So we have Amish and Mennonites all over rural New York State
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and Pennsylvania, and they don't use electricity, They don't use
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modern medicine, they don't use credit cards, nothing digital.
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It's all they're, you know, insulated communities.
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But let me tell you, they come out, we have farm markets.
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The Mennonites are kind of an offshoot of the Amish, and they
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just live. I mean, they've got it made,
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right? Like they just live within their
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communities. They don't play ball with the
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technology. And I don't think all technology
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is bad. I like technology, but it has to
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work for me, the human. If it doesn't work for me, then
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fuck you, I'm not going to use it.
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That's kind of my mindset. And I'm not going to as best I
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can, I'm not going to take your digital ID.
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I'm just not going to play ball. And so our job is to throw
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wrenches and everything. Set up parallel economies,
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refuse to comply, Organize locally, just throw a million
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wrenches because they're not nearly as as as powerful as we
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think they are, and I don't think they're as nearly as
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technologically advanced as we think they are.
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Yes, I think you're right. I have a similar view to you.
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I I I don't buy the narrative that they are all just, you
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know, super beings that, you know, they're all just, they're
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all ahead of the curve. No, no, they're also humans and
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they're also stupid. Many of them, yes.
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And they make and they make terrible decisions.
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Yeah. I mean, look at Peter Thiel.
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Looks like a corpse. I'm 100% certified organic
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human, OK? And if you put me up next to
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Peter Thiel, he looks like Skeletor.
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His face is set. Look at Elon Musk.
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Elon Musk does not look healthy. Donald Trump does not look
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healthy. The majority of the people
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running things look horrifying. And that's just that's just from
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a casual observation. So they want us to believe this
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is the wave of the future and that AI is going to control
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everything and that robots are going to run the world.
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They're not, they're not. Robots are fine.
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They can do certain things. They're not.
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AI can only exist with human intelligence.
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AI needs us. AI can't do anything without
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humans. And when it's challenged, it
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falls apart. I mean, here in the US and see,
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we're moving into the economic meltdown, but here in the US,
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the wheels are falling off of the AI jalopy big time, big
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time. Everyone knows about the NVIDIA
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Intel magnificent, magnificent 7 circular investment strategy,
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which is basically, I mean, it's, there's no there there,
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they're not making any money. None of them are profitable
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except for NVIDIA. And the AI is falling apart.
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They're being sued for for copyright infringement.
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And you can't take, you can't take people's human creations.
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And so the the AI is getting weaker and weaker and weaker and
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people are now wise to how much data is being collected on them.
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And so people are opting out of a lot of things.
28:30
So, you know, it's definitely becoming more evident that
28:37
there's really no there there. And people are going to, I
28:41
think, you know, in our, we're going to be asked to choose
28:45
either a global technocracy or versions of global technocracy
28:49
in each of our countries or not. We need to say no.
28:52
And if enough of us say no, then humanity will flourish for the
28:55
next 100 years. But do you think enough?
28:58
We'll say no, though. Yes, I do.
29:01
I do. So you aren't or they jaded.
29:05
No, no, we don't need that many. You literally.
29:10
And, and the vaccines fell apart.
29:12
No one's getting vaccinated in the US anymore.
29:15
Like women aren't vaccinating their children.
29:17
Like hide your wives, hide your kids.
29:21
Like the, the, the vaccine narrative is completely falling
29:24
apart. And that is because of the COVID
29:27
vaccine. And that is because 35% of the
29:30
American population fucking refused.
29:33
They're like, you can throw me in prison and I'm not going to
29:36
take that vaccine. You can take my job.
29:39
My mother and my sister were both fired from their non
29:42
medical jobs for not taking the vaccine, right?
29:45
People lost so much. But now, so here what do you
29:49
have a minority of Americans just saying screw you, we're not
29:52
doing it. Everything falls apart.
29:55
The exact same thing can happen with technocracy and you don't
29:59
even need 35% ten to 15%. If 10 to 15% of humanity says
30:05
we're not going to play, we're going to and not playing could
30:08
mean not take not taking a digital ID or using any of their
30:15
the government sponsored digital currencies, right?
30:18
That might be tricky. It's scary.
30:19
We're going to have to think we're not going to we're not
30:21
going to know how this is going to shake out, right.
30:24
They might collapse the economy, they might collapse the
30:28
Internet. They might push us into, you
30:31
know, World War three with nuclear weapons, which will
30:33
probably be like dropping nukes in the middle of of the Pacific
30:36
Ocean and play act. I don't even believe there are
30:39
wars anymore, you know, like there, there's so much theater
30:44
out there that, that I could see that.
30:46
And they kill enough people with shots, right?
30:48
They, they don't, they don't wipe out humanity with guns and
30:53
tanks. That's way too messy.
30:55
They just use the tip of a needle these days.
30:57
Hold on Shannon, something that has bugged me for a while
31:00
though, and maybe your observation is different, but
31:05
now that the COVID era quote, UN quote is over, people around me
31:11
seem to have gone back into their slumber.
31:13
Have have you noticed? Have you noticed the same thing?
31:16
Yes, yeah, that's part of the SIA and you also.
31:20
I mean, it's very hard to be heightened like this for an
31:22
extended period of time. I think you and I are crazy.
31:25
Yeah. Like I don't I've been like this
31:28
my entire for 10 years like. And I also want to add to what
31:32
you're saying earlier about Trump as a as an outsider, one
31:36
of the things that that impressed me about his second
31:39
term is how he brought millions and millions of people back into
31:44
the system. Oh yeah.
31:45
Oh, absolutely, absolutely. It's it's a Svengali like
31:55
messaging. That is, I just, I marvel at it.
31:59
I mean, it's extraordinary, Trump.
32:02
This is why, This is why millions of people make excuses
32:06
the whole time for him, because they their ideological like for
32:10
him, excuse the pun, Trump's what that the, the, the, the,
32:16
the fact that he actually is just middle management and he's
32:19
part of the machine. Right.
32:21
He's been set up as a hero and they do this really good example
32:25
of this is the Charlie Kirk assassination and the
32:28
deification of the victims. Now Charlie Kirk is a victim.
32:35
I'm not saying that that I'm not going to make any statements
32:37
about that assassination and what I think about it, but.
32:44
You're welcome to. I don't need more trouble, OK?
32:48
I don't need more. I don't need more trouble.
32:52
But you know, Trump began this with the raid on Mar a Lago and
32:59
all of the lawsuits and the perp walks and the handcuffs, right?
33:02
It's a, it's victim casting, right?
33:08
And you pile that on to the fact that they're traumatized, right?
33:11
How do people, how do people get pulled into a cult?
33:15
How do they get, how do they get pulled into the SIOP or into
33:18
mass formation psychosis? We understood how that happened
33:21
during COVID, right? People were terrified that they
33:25
were going to die from this deadly pandemic that is killing
33:30
everyone. And what did they use?
33:32
They used bots and trolls on the Internet.
33:35
They use paid influencers. They use left wing news media.
33:40
They use right wing news media. They use social media.
33:44
They had already gathered an enormous amount of psychographic
33:48
data and demographic data via social media on every one of us.
33:53
So you and I each, we both have like a digital avatar out there.
33:58
There, It's a, it's a copy of us.
34:00
It's a digital copy. And they have information and
34:04
they know what makes me tick and they know what makes you tick.
34:07
They know your fear triggers, your fear triggers are different
34:10
than my fear triggers. They know what makes you happy,
34:13
which what what you know spurs the dopamine.
34:17
They know your religious values, your financial situation, right?
34:23
They don't have everything, but they know enough.
34:25
And what they do is they tailor the messaging via the bots and
34:29
trolls in the algorithms to to traumatize us.
34:35
OK. And the emotional reaction is
34:38
very real. The we're in, in the simulation.
34:42
What they're delivering to us is very fake and it's and it's
34:46
synthetic, but what we're feeling is very real.
34:51
And so then we act out from that.
34:53
And that is why people literally put 7 masks on their face and
34:57
wore filthy rags over their nose and mouth for the for like 2
35:02
years. That is why people locked
35:04
themselves in their homes. That's why people allowed their
35:08
loved ones to die alone, isolated and tormented in
35:14
nursing homes because they were so terrified.
35:18
And so then when you're in that state, what do you need?
35:21
You need a hero. You need someone to save you,
35:25
right? And so then they come in.
35:28
What exactly? They come in and they set up
35:31
your hero. But the hero isn't really a
35:34
hero. It's part of the simulation.
35:36
And so it's that cycle of trauma based 911 was, was a a was
35:43
trauma based fear control, but it was very real.
35:47
An assassination of Charlie Kirk is trauma based fear control on
35:51
a mass level. And you're seeing now the
35:53
deification of Charlie Kirk. People worship him.
35:57
They align him like Jesus Christ and they will, they will demand
36:04
that fascism, you know, is deployed or or tyranny is
36:09
deployed in order to avenge Charlie Kirk.
36:12
Now we're going to watch this play out with the Democrat Party
36:15
right now because the Democrat Party, all of the people you saw
36:19
at no kings and they were probably geofencing and no
36:21
kings. They were probably gathering
36:23
data on every single person that would that turned out millions
36:28
about 100, you know, not hundreds, but 10s of millions I
36:31
believe turned out and I went to one.
36:34
They are right now in the process of the the trauma based
36:39
fear or the fear based trauma control of the Democrats.
36:42
I believe this is these are my assumptions and they will be so
36:47
frightened of what Trump is going.
36:49
That's why Trump dumps feces on them and that's why they poke
36:52
them and they terrify them. He does all these crazy radical
36:55
things. They're going to elevate for the
36:58
Democrats likely if, if the two party, this two party thing is,
37:05
is fine. It's there's cracks in it,
37:06
right? If the Democrats fall for it,
37:09
they will elevate a new Democrat anti hero that will suck up all
37:15
of their energy and distract all of them.
37:18
And then they'll demand fascism so that their anti hero can come
37:23
and be our anti hero. But really what's happening at
37:26
the end of the day is those they're, they're working
37:28
together and, and we're just descending deeper into, into the
37:32
abyss. The answer is human is being
37:35
human and knowledge is the first step.
37:39
Like my children know when they go on the Internet that when
37:45
they open up an app and my 17 year old daughter actually just
37:50
on her own deleted her TikTok app, which I thought was
37:54
fascinating. But my kids, I have a 1917 and
37:58
13 year old, they know when they go into the app, they the
38:02
question they should say is what does this app want me to think
38:05
today? How does this app want me to
38:08
feel today? What algorithms are being
38:12
deployed at me when I go on Twitter or Facebook or truth
38:17
social or TikTok or Instagram or any of the OR rumble or any of
38:23
the rightly, but you know, what is it that they, how do they
38:26
want me to feel? And then it's a constant, once
38:28
you have that antenna up, it'll never come down, it'll never
38:33
come down. And you'll start to see these
38:35
things very fast. Like I can, I can spot these
38:38
things in a millisecond at this point because, because I've been
38:43
trained to, I've trained myself to, everyone can do that.
38:46
And people do that instinctively as well.
38:50
And so, you know, I, I, I'm pretty confident that there's
38:55
going to be a backlash against everything technocratic because
38:58
it's fucking crazy. It's crazy and no one wants it.
39:05
Shannon, do you think though that how do I ask this question,
39:13
OK, Do you think that we are part of a type of Luddite
39:20
percentage of the population who just doesn't like progress?
39:25
No, not at all. Technology isn't progress.
39:29
And technology has been around since the beginning of human
39:33
history. And every 100 years some new
39:36
technological advance comes around and they say this is the
39:40
way that it's going to be. And now things are different.
39:42
Humanity hasn't changed ever. Humans are exactly the same as
39:48
they have always been. And we, what do we do?
39:51
We're born, we learn something, we grow up and go to school,
39:55
learn. We we fall in love, we get
39:58
married, we have children, we plant gardens, we build houses,
40:02
we live, we have emotions, we throw graduation parties and
40:06
weddings and all of the things we live.
40:08
We will always do that. Go back to the Old Testament,
40:12
read the Old Testament. They do all the same things that
40:14
we do. There is corruption, there's
40:16
greed, there is, there is. There are bad people.
40:21
In the, in every culture, in every time in human history and
40:26
in every time we have technological advances, it ends
40:30
up wiping out a ton of people who are, you know, who fall into
40:34
the trap. And then and then we adjust, we
40:37
acclimate, we accept, we take the things of the new
40:41
developments and the technologies that we like that
40:43
work for humans and we throw the rest out.
40:49
And we've done that forever. So it's it to me, it's not
40:52
Luddite, you know, human thinking is elevated so far
40:58
above technocratic thinking. And anyone who tries to lie and
41:03
say that that is not the case, It, it's, it's just it, they're,
41:08
they're deceiving you. They're absolutely deceiving
41:11
you. But why do you think that it's
41:14
the minority of people that are pushing back?
41:20
Because everything happened happens in the margins, all the
41:24
movements, everything happens in the margins of humanity.
41:27
Everything. Gideon's army is great example
41:33
in the Old Testament they beat a massive army with like 300 men
41:40
and God purpose purposefully wanted Gideon's army to be small
41:44
because he wanted them to rely on him, on God right, to give
41:48
them that, that victory. But you know, recent history,
41:51
the Revolutionary War, most Americans didn't care whether we
41:55
were under King George or whether we had a Republic.
41:59
They didn't care. It was the margins.
42:02
On the periphery is where these battles are fought.
42:05
So you and I are on the periphery, right?
42:08
And the wins and the losses come in the margins.
42:12
And then the rest of the culture is just going to move the way
42:14
they always do. The, the, the 80% is they're
42:19
always, there's a reason that Christ called them the sheep
42:24
right there. And it is not derogatory.
42:29
It is, it is not meant to be derogatory.
42:32
It's that most people are built to kind of go with the flow.
42:37
We're, we're naturally, we want to be in groups.
42:39
We want to be protected. We don't want to go out and
42:42
fight these battles. We don't, you know, and that's
42:45
normal and that's their calling. That's you know, one of the
42:49
things I say to my audience every day is from your own
42:51
corner of the world, according to your unique talents and
42:54
abilities, that that's what you need to do, right?
43:00
You got to get out and pursue truth, justice thing, whatever
43:03
it is, whether it's small or big, doesn't matter.
43:06
Butterfly effects, ripple effect, all of it.
43:09
It doesn't matter what you do. It all matters what you do.
43:11
I guess it's kind of a funny way of saying it, but but I've
43:16
gotten over this nonsense of, well, we got to get everyone to
43:21
wake up. We need everyone to, to
43:24
understand this. We need to go and and tell
43:26
everyone about they don't want to hear it, right?
43:29
And I'm also over this whole like getting mad at people for
43:34
not getting involved. They don't care.
43:37
Like I live with a normie, my husband, it's a total normie.
43:42
Shame. He is a, he is a rule follower.
43:49
It's like you wouldn't believe what I went through to keep him
43:51
off the vaccine, man. He's like, everyone's going to
43:54
get it. It's inevitable.
43:56
Like, you know, and I went through really tough times, like
44:00
being mad at him, really mad at him.
44:04
Like, why aren't you standing up?
44:07
Why aren't you on a street corner, like protesting with me?
44:11
Why aren't you, You know, and, and I had an epiphany at one
44:15
point. I'm like, because he's not
44:16
seeing things the way I'm seeing.
44:18
He believes in the same things I believe, right?
44:21
And he's perfectly OK with me doing what I do.
44:25
He's just not built to go out there and do the things that I
44:30
do. And you know what?
44:32
That's OK. He's built to do other things
44:36
and he's been a very good stabilizing force for me because
44:42
if it weren't for my husband, I'd probably be in a commune in
44:47
the middle of the country somewhere.
44:48
Like, I don't know. You didn't mean because I tend
44:52
to go there, right? But we all play a role and, and
44:56
the normies play a role too. They keep things functioning.
45:00
And so we got to stop, right? I'm sorry.
45:03
No, no, no, no, no. So I keep interrupting.
45:05
No, it's fine. I think I keep talking too much
45:07
so tell me if I'm like. No, it's all good.
45:10
OK. Yeah.
45:11
Knowing what you know now in the year 2025, would you go back to
45:16
2019? I mean, no, absolutely not.
45:24
No, so many people have been awakened and the journey has
45:30
been painful. You know, I've lost you.
45:33
We all have lost a lot. Those, those of us who have
45:35
stood up. It's some it's I sometimes I
45:39
feel like a tortured artist, like it.
45:41
It tortures me, this whole thing.
45:43
But at the same time, I see miracles.
45:49
My strengthening or my faith in Christ has only increased.
45:54
I mean, I had AI had a faith crisis around the time of COVID.
46:00
I've only grown in my relationship with the Lord.
46:02
I've only grown in my relationship with Christ and and
46:09
I would never go back, right? Like you, sometimes you have to
46:13
go through these things. You have to go through these
46:15
difficult things in order to get to that moment of peace, that
46:18
time of peace. And we've seen those times in
46:21
human history. I mentioned that it's cyclical,
46:23
right? Like there are periods of, of,
46:26
of peace, there are periods of prosperity, there are periods
46:30
of, of enlightenment, and then then there are dark periods too.
46:38
And the story plays out over and over and over.
46:42
And I think the key to figuring things out is just knowing where
46:44
you are in the cycle and accepting it.
46:47
Yes, let me let me ask you an extension to that question.
46:56
If you had more than one Damascus moment in your life,
47:01
when would you say the first one was?
47:04
It's really interesting. So OK, so let me help you a
47:08
little bit. So my first real Damascus
47:11
moment, red pull moment I think would would have been around
47:14
2009. I watched a documentary called
47:18
The Great Global Warming Swindle, and for the first time
47:22
I held up a mirror to what I thought I knew about how things
47:26
worked. Right.
47:27
Funnily enough, that whole that that whole decade, I didn't
47:30
question 9/11, not even once. And it was only, yeah, it was
47:34
only after, you know, the what what do you call it?
47:37
The 20 teens that, that after 2010, before 2020, I don't know
47:41
what you call that wasn't. I don't know what.
47:43
We call it the teens. Yeah.
47:44
I don't know you. You just nailed it.
47:47
Well, I'll use that. 20 teens that that decade is when I
47:51
started questioning lots of things.
47:54
So 20, yeah. So for me, 2009 was my first
47:58
sort of Damascus moment, and then 2016.
48:00
So when when was yours? Yeah.
48:02
So I would say it was, I mean, I've had a few.
48:07
That's the thing. That's why I paused, because
48:09
there have been, there have been a few.
48:10
If I were to go back to the very first one, it was post 911
48:17
George W Bush. Second, the end of his, did he
48:22
have two terms or one? I don't remember.
48:25
It was probably the end of his first term and it was after.
48:31
So same time it was a 2008 housing collapse and that whole
48:38
fraud. And then they went in and there
48:42
was this announcement that the United States government, the
48:44
federal government took over every took over Freddie Mac and
48:49
Fannie Mae. And that was, you know,
48:51
essentially every mortgage in the United States of America.
48:54
The government kind of took over.
48:55
And I remember thinking, that's crazy.
48:59
That's crazy. And then I started kind of
49:04
pursuing because at that point I was diehard George W Bush.
49:10
We need to go into Iraq. We need to go get the
49:13
terrorists. All the Muslims are going to
49:15
come get us. They're going to make us Sharia.
49:17
I'm going to be a Muslim like, you know what I mean?
49:19
Like I just bought into whole the whole thing he.
49:22
He, he was, he was the president that said, is our children
49:26
learning? You fell for all of it, hook,
49:31
line and sinker. I mean, This is why I can have a
49:33
lot of grace for people who are in their process of waking up,
49:36
right? And we have to have grace
49:39
because all of us have been in in the simulation and, and it's,
49:47
you know, and it's unique experiences and observations.
49:51
Like the breaking out is so uniquely personal for every
49:55
person that, you know, it's not for me to say you need to see
49:59
this right now. The way I see it, they just
50:01
haven't seen it yet. What can I say?
50:03
Now, my husband, by the way, for being a normie, devastatingly
50:07
handsome Doctor Joy, that's his name.
50:10
He is actually way more cynical now and wait, I mean, I would
50:15
say I have definitely, definitely black pilled him a
50:19
little bit, but also white pilled, right?
50:22
I love the white pill. You have to take the black pill
50:25
before you take, before you get to the white pill, which is a
50:28
place of hope, right? That is where you get out and
50:31
you say, OK, things are good. I look at the headlines today in
50:36
the cycle moves really fast and I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
50:42
But I'm so disassociated from it now.
50:44
I'm like, I come home, I make dinner.
50:47
We plan our, you know, the costumes for the Halloween party
50:49
that we're going to go with our neighbors, right?
50:52
Like I make myself, I exist in their simulation for the
50:57
purposes of defeating it using my platforms, right?
51:01
And I got to know what's going on and we all got to kind of
51:03
know what's going on. But at the end of the day, we're
51:06
all just living our lives, right?
51:08
And people who have their computer lid shut and don't
51:10
engage, they're so happy. They have no clue what's going
51:13
on. They're, they're thrilled.
51:14
And honestly very, it's very rare that like that the boots
51:20
come marching down the street and they actually deploy this
51:22
stuff. Like COVID was crazy, but even
51:25
in COVID, we didn't see tanks in the streets.
51:28
They weren't really going house to house.
51:31
They did. They came to my house.
51:32
By the way, I was arrested during COVID for my mask coming
51:38
under my nose. Yeah.
51:39
At a school board meeting. It was insane.
51:40
It was ridiculous. They sent the police to my house
51:44
with two contact tracers to terrorize my children over
51:47
quarantine orders. That I Yeah, it was crazy.
51:52
That was the closest we ever got to actual real.
51:55
Like, we're going to strap you down and we're going to shove.
51:59
You know, atrocities are happening.
52:01
Tyrannies are happening all over and all around, but that is very
52:07
difficult for them to do. So I say live your life, like do
52:10
the thing you need to do, but live your life to maintain your
52:12
sanity. And then it's off for the races.
52:15
And I think that we're going to breakthrough this.
52:16
I think we're in a 10 year thing, right?
52:18
COVID started it. We're five years in now they're
52:21
going to deploy the, the AI, the crypto, the economic trauma and
52:26
the digital trauma. That's this next for five years,
52:30
but we're going to win when when germ germ because I called you
52:34
germ because you're a germ worker, but.
52:36
Because we have call me Germ. Yeah, because we have.
52:38
We have children. I don't know if you have
52:40
children. I have kids.
52:41
I've got a little boy. Yeah, that's why we do it.
52:46
They need freedom. They need liberty.
52:49
You know what's interesting is a friend of a friend of mine, he,
52:54
he was a normie before 2020. You were talking about how
52:58
people woke up and the lockdowns or what suddenly made him
53:03
realize something is wrong with everything.
53:07
So. Yeah, I love and I I've said
53:10
this multiple times, but I don't know if you if you saw my show
53:13
that I did with Jessica Hockett. And if you haven't, I'll
53:16
strongly recommend you go and watch it.
53:17
She's great. So she yeah, so she so she has
53:20
spent years looking at the New York daughter from from 2020 and
53:26
basically what the hospitals were were putting out and what
53:28
what aligns with reality, etcetera, etcetera.
53:30
Basically there was no pandemic and the whole thing was a sigh
53:33
up. But she she said, she said on my
53:37
show, I started out in 2020 looking at the New York hospital
53:42
data and I ended up asking, did we land on the moon?
53:48
I think that I think that right there, that summarizes
53:52
everything. Absolutely.
53:54
Absolutely. And it all ends with the aliens,
53:56
right? I mean, every conversation
53:58
always ends up with the aliens, right?
54:02
It's so true. It I mean, she nailed it.
54:05
It's true. Like you, you question
54:07
everything and but what you know, what frightened me the
54:10
most was when I started questioning my faith and I
54:14
didn't, I didn't really question my faith and questioning God.
54:17
That was the most frightening thing to me.
54:21
And I didn't so much as I questioned the church in these
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institutions. They all locked down Christians,
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people that were supposed to be my people were like the worst of
54:33
the worst. And they recommended vaccines,
54:35
many of them. Oh my God, in my, my, in my
54:39
church, they were thanking God for the vaccines in morning
54:45
prayers after they had been shut down, after they had been they
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after they voluntarily shut down.
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That was a such a crisis for me as a believer and and so that
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was the only thing that frightened me.
55:02
But then, you know, God reveals himself through scripture and
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through prayer and through and that it just through like just
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faith, man, you know, just trusting him even when it's
55:16
dark. I mean, I almost lost my
55:18
business again. I mentioned how I was rested
55:22
handcuffed for a mask slipping beneath my nose.
55:26
The school board meeting when I was trying to to free the.
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Handcuffed. Really.
55:30
Handcuffed. Yeah, I have the great picture.
55:33
I mean, now it's funny. It was horrifying at the time.
55:36
My husband was horrified again, the normie, my children were
55:39
horrified, was at their school. And they're like, what?
55:43
What did you do? The entire community?
55:47
It was horrifying, utterly horrifying.
55:50
I can laugh about it now, but you know, so there, there were
55:55
so many things when it was just black when I would come on my
55:58
radio show. I have a radio show.
55:59
I had a radio show at the time. Now I have a podcast.
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I'm live every day, right. I've got to say something.
56:06
I I can't hide And you know, but there were days when I would be
56:10
I just I think I cried the first six months of COVID lockdown
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because I knew I knew the second it happened that nothing was
56:18
ever going to be the same. I knew that something had
56:21
cracked was in motion and that my life would never be the same.
56:25
I knew it. And so I went through this
56:28
period of mourning, deep, deep mourning.
56:31
I started smoking again. So I'm smoking like a troll in
56:35
my basement, crying smoke. I'm like, this is the worst
56:39
thing that's ever happened. And I gave that up again.
56:43
I'm I'm off the cigarettes. But it, you know, it was that
56:49
that difficulty, though, drew me so much closer to God, so much
56:54
closer to God. And now, man, I don't know
56:57
there's anything that she could shake my face.
56:59
There's nothing, nothing. I know that there's a natural
57:03
God. I know that he created us
57:07
because no technology is as majestic, sophisticated or
57:13
complicated as what he created. Nature and humanity and the fact
57:19
that we can create life as humans, that I can have babies
57:23
like it's just miraculous. It's miraculous.
57:27
Then you look at technology and it's like, Oh my gosh, this is
57:31
the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
57:33
Like it's not even it doesn't even hold a candle.
57:36
They try to create life. They can't do it.
57:39
It's just you know, so the journey has been wonderful.
57:44
It traumatic, torturing, but at the end of the day, wonderful.
57:49
And and the more miracles I see when you're out on a limb the
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way that we are, where you're like, I don't know what to say.
57:56
I don't know where the money is going to come from.
57:58
I'm going to lose my career. You know, all these things that
58:03
are necessary when you're standing up and speaking out in
58:05
truth, then you're so far on a limb with God that you see
58:09
miracle. I see miracles.
58:11
It's I'm like, Oh my gosh, like when something goes wrong these
58:14
days, I'm like, that's your problem.
58:17
God, I'm like, go take care of that guy because I can't, I
58:20
don't know what to do. And he does, you know, So I
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guess that's my story at this at this moment.
58:27
And I'm excited for I'm excited to watch other people wake up
58:31
and us move into a place of truth.
58:34
We can do it. That's a great way to end the
58:36
conversation. OK, Shannon, how can my audience
58:38
follow you? So best way to I mean, get
58:42
everything would probably be my website.
58:43
People can support my work. I'm independent, so outside of
58:46
the the political paradigm. So independent contribute
58:52
contributions and you know, bottom up crowdsourcing is
58:55
always important. So they can go to my website,
58:57
theshannonjoy.com. It's the Shannon joy.com.
59:01
And you can access my Daily Show, but I'm live every day at
59:05
noon. So I'm on Rumble, Twitter,
59:08
Spreeley TV, Roku TV, Apple TV. I'm on YouTube, Facebook sub
59:16
stack and if you just search Shannon Joy or Shannon Joy
59:19
radio, that's my handle on most of those accounts.
59:23
And but the, the website's probably the best hub to get to
59:27
get everything and, you know, to get linked up with everything.
59:30
Shannon, I can't believe I'm I can't believe I'm going to, I'm
59:36
going to say the dad joke, but it has been a joy.
59:40
That's my real name, by the way. People think it's a stage name.
59:43
It is my my middle name. Yeah, it's my real name.
59:46
Yeah. Now, luckily for anonymity and,
59:49
you know, people can find out my last name if they want, but no,
59:51
my mother named me Shannon Joy. It's not my birth certificate.
59:54
And I appreciate it. No, it's, it's a great middle
59:57
name, you know. I think so, yeah.
59:59
Well it yes, yes, I agree. And by the way.
1:00:03
It has been an absolute pleasure after so many years.
1:00:06
I think you should come back, but not after as many years.
1:00:09
Hold on sooner than that, but for now.
1:00:12
Shannon, thank you for joining me in the changes.
1:00:14
Oh, I would love. That's amazing.
1:00:15
And I would love to reciprocate and have you back.
1:00:17
I'd I'd like to hear your journey.
1:00:18
I love how you interview. You know, my show is like very
1:00:21
news, news, news, right? And this is so fun.
1:00:25
I was just chat. Yeah.
1:00:27
I just, I love that style of podcast.
1:00:30
It's, it's not my style, but I wish it was.
1:00:32
Sometimes I've just kind of fallen into what mine is, but
1:00:35
it's just, it is a joy. I, I really, I'm really glad
1:00:39
we're able to do this and I hope to collaborate with you a lot
1:00:43
more in the future.