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Top 10 Right Wingers for 2025-2026 · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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Ohm my, that was not what I did. You could never match his power.
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That was that was quite the noise there, Kevin.
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That's my girlfriend, says. I was about to say hello, lucky
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Very nice. OK, That's that's that's what I
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was expecting in the previous two, and I got way too
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comfortable for this one. So you caught me off guard.
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Welcome in to everybody. Yeah, see, I can't even speak.
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Welcome everybody to There we go.
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Bangor management, the fantasy hockey podcast with Jake, Josh
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and Kevin. Other than me, who's doing
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Y'all are good today. Oh yeah, absolutely on fire
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today. I I would concur.
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Yes. Say I'm that good as Kevin, but
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I'm pretty good. Not everybody could be like me.
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Well, he's on one. Is he ever Today we're going our
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top ten right wings for the fantasy hockey season.
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our TikTok. And yeah, let us begin with some
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honorable. Mentions.
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Alright, let's come. On Wait Wait, what was like,
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what's what's it called? Two people do it at the same
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time, but a little differently. Harmonizing.
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Yes, there you go, that's the one.
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As a sniper, I had no idea what you were going for with that.
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Drake is musically inclined, so he knew.
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Yeah, that's fair. I know.
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Our honorable mentions for her top right wings we've got Marty
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Neches, Adrian Kempe, Krill Marchenko, Lucas Raymond and Tom
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Wilson. I wonder if people think we're
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crazy for putting Marchenko in this honorable mentions because
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his ADP is still going to be really low.
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But I mean, last year he was insane out of all these guys.
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I mean, we're talking about who you'd rather have on our roster
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of all these guys. I think for me it might.
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Is it crazy to see more? Check Go.
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Yeah, it's crazy. I think it's crazy.
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I think nature is easily easily my.
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Favorite OK if we talk about nature to be here for the whole
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hour. Yeah, I mean, also there's
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something to be said about Tom Wilson as his own archetype,
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right? Absolutely.
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Four others are all different. And Tom Wilson is a very
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specific like Pimm's shots hits guy who also trips in the
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points. So that's interesting.
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But yeah, let's say we have to choose one of the five.
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We know Jake is choosing natures.
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Kevin, you want you want to do Marchenko?
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Like how many points does nature get this year?
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80,000. Billion things getting like,
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yeah. 82 Conservative or yes 80s too conservative?
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Yes, I I I think so. I don't know, it's tough because
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Natures is like the new Rantanen, right, in terms of
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being Mckinnon's buddy, so I see why Jake's so high on him.
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I think we're going to be talking like about nature's the
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same. Way I think everybody's just too
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low on March. First of all, I will say one
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thing with this is that he only averaged like 2.5 shots last
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last year. And so a points guy who doesn't
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get that many shots, you know, versus like look at like a Kempe
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who you know he's going to get. I don't see him getting that
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much less than nachos while also getting 3 plus shots and like a
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hit. Yeah, I love Marchenko Kevin,
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but I just think like like you know, campaign like Josh just
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mentioned and and even you know, Raymond I think is just a safer
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bet and similar ceilings. I think I think nature is
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probably safer to get more points, yeah, because I think
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we're all expecting some regression from these Columbus
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guys. But I think for value, honestly,
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like Jimmy Marchenko, because you can get Marchenko way later
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than you can get nature signatures, is going to be a top
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five round pick. True cost.
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It's sick. I love Marchenko.
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Marchenko had cost like he's in a lot of on a lot of platforms.
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He's going like pick two 200 + 250 plus.
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Really. That's way too.
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Yes, so in most of your drafts we'd be playing with people that
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know what they're doing and he's gonna be taken away before that
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is just about who bites the bullet ahead of ADP and where do
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we let them fall? You have to know your draft
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room, know your league mates, but I think he's gonna be 1 of
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the biggest draft day values. Yeah, yeah, agreed.
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Alright, should we dive in? Yeah #10.
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At #10 We have Kevin's BFF from last year.
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Yeah, Seth Jarvis of the Carolina Hurricanes last year
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you put up .92 points, .26 power play points, 2.8 shots, 1.3 hits
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and a bunch of shorties too. He was a Shorty king last year.
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I think he like honestly saved some of my matchups at the end
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of the season with the shorthanded points.
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Most people granted don't play in short short handed point
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leagues. Which, fair enough, it's
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definitely a niche category, but.
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He's hate shorties. Yeah, I know.
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But he's one of those guys that the Rod Curse can't touch him
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because he's just, I feel like he's a Jack of all trades and he
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can do it. Infuses to leave any cat
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untouched, like every night. You know he'll like chipping a
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little everywhere every night, just consistently.
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You love to have him on your team, super.
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Fun deployment is consistent and you're reliable.
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Like I feel like no matter what happens, he's always going to be
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on the line that's best performing.
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He's 1 of Rods guys, so yeah you know, like you said, like the
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Rods curse doesn't affect him really.
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Him and Aho, we've mentioned this before, the two guys who
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kind of like dodged that curse. So yeah, no, I love him at #10.
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Here and I also love that he's never hit a point game.
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Like I really think that's amazing.
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It just feels like he's just he's right there 67 and 73 last
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year, like if he walks away with and we hate like points guys on
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Rod's team. So I really don't know if he
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will but like if he gets even 75 and 82 with the back.
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Cats love. It I think he gets more points,
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he did this here than he did last year.
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I think he can finally hit a point per game, but it's also
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just like he's shooting three shots a game over one hit a game
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from a right winger. That's great category.
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There's like a little mini power forward kind of.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Let's go to. #9.
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At #9. Can you read this out loud?
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Yes I will. My BFF from last year Esper Brat
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JVI TBP it NHL. OK, if you know you know.
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If you're part of the BRAT Pack like I am, then you know exactly
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what this acronym means. That was seamless. 0 upward.
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That's what he was saying, the whole.
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Year I was saying all year. Last year Kevin was the biggest
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Brad hater and I just had to stand up for my.
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Boy, away with this. Last pack is brilliant by the
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way. I didn't come up with it but I
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wish I had but. That's OK, you sang that JB,
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etc. So I'm impressed.
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You put up 1.09 points per game .42 power play points, 2.2
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shots, 1.2 hits and Kevin hated on him all year.
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The the power production could not stay this high.
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It was like inevitable that I was going to regress and it just
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didn't. So I mean, listen, I I ate my
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words last year because. He and you were like he provides
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no back cats yet he provided over a hit a game.
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Yeah, but two shots a game from a guy is giving you over a point
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per game is just like, you don't see that.
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It's like Robert Thomas, you just expect more.
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Shares of those those points probably points and hits.
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Really what carried him was the power play points.
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And honestly, like I, I definitely am more inclined to
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admit that he's a good player this year because I mean, to me,
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it's just like what Panera used to be, you know, it was just
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like the guy that gets a lot of points but zeros across the
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board for everything else. So I just don't like having
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those guys in my roster because the day that he doesn't get a
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point, you're like, I spent such a high pick on this guy that
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doesn't contribute to any other categories.
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But listen, I have to give Brad some credit.
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Obviously he's a good player and he has such a high ceiling when
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it comes to points. He's playing with some of the
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most offensive, offensively gifted players in the league on
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that New Jersey team. I think he has like a safe floor
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for points. It's just about how did the
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categories change this? Because the shooting percentage
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is pretty low. It doesn't shoot a lot.
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So it's really just like he's racking up those assists and if
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the power play regresses to .3 which is still pretty elite
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instead of .42 like does he hit a point per game is probably be
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close to that range. Yeah, I mean that's what happens
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when you get to play with a guy like Jack Hughes, right?
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Like they're gonna be there together, line one power play 1
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cues is like very similar stats to Brad had their very involved
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on like all the same points. And Brad also chips in shorties.
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So that's another thing. I think he's just great guy to
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have usually. I mean, I got him 6th around
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last year though. I think every year that he goes
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by, he gets, you know, he'll get higher and higher if he keeps
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putting up these points, but I still think you can get him
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around four or five. Right, winter.
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Sorry, I wanted to get that in there.
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I don't like my opening. Yeah, yeah.
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OK, nice. It's honestly a great
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assessment, especially the fact that he's he's just a consistent
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point guy. I mean, we can expect 80 to 90
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points from him this year. Everybody's happy with that
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returns on the value. Is it gonna change his archetype
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and become more of a shooter though?
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I don't think so. But you're still happy with
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these points. It's a great floor so.
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Would you rather yes, for better Tim Stutzel?
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Stossel. Jasper Brat or?
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Clinton think I'm going. I think I'm going.
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Brat over Stitzel, actually. Another crazy.
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I don't know, maybe. It's not that crazy.
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That's definitely. I'm definitely confident in
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racketing more points in power play points than Stitzel.
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Volume is honestly not as high as you want.
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Yeah, I'm doing Brad over. Snacks.
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Yeah, yeah, I get that. That's.
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A good question. I just think the power play
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points are gonna be nuts and. I just think it's fun to see
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what Auto is gonna do this year and I feel like he's just a more
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well-rounded player. So that's why I.
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Think I go about. Well, as your other one, Keller.
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Keller has a high shot volume. I go brat.
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I think I go. Keller actually also shot.
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It's the shots, yeah. Fair fair dot.
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I can easily be swayed on I feel like.
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I parked right in the middle. Now barcode for sure.
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Barkov, Yeah. OK, alright, let's go. 2 All
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right #8. #8 another one of my pals from last year.
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Maybe I TBI. We've got Matt Boldy.
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Actually, I traded Brat for Boldy last year.
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I mean it was a 2 for two, but they were involved in the trade.
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You also want to play off schedule.
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So New Jersey had a terrible playoff schedule.
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Minnesota. One of the best, yeah.
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Yeah, it was a lot about the playoff schedule, but yeah, I
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love me some boldy last year .89 points per game, .26 power play
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points, 3.3 shots. And he just keeps getting better
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each year. And he gets to play with a
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healthy Kaprizov this year. And worried.
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We all said in our previous Top 10 Left Wings episode that Cap
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could, you know, is gonna be 100 point plus.
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He's gonna have a monster year and body is gonna be right on
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his side, having fun the whole time.
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Yeah, that's that's massive for his positive regression.
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And it's not even really regression because he's so young
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and like, yeah, I mean, he's what he is 24.
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He was like a former high pick. And I feel like he he's come
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into his own insofar as like he's always been good, reliable.
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And I think he could make that jump to not quite a leap for
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games there. Yeah, I could see that.
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And if he does that with his shot volume, it's fabulous.
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You're super, super happy to have him.
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You guys like him more than I do in general.
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There is also a chance, of course, that they don't put on
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the same line because I know bodies dual eligible.
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But he could play left wing. And if that's the case, then Cap
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is obviously not going to be. I mean, for a lot of the year
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they had like Kaprizov playing with, with Zook Zuccarello, but
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I think towards the end of last year they moved boldly with the
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with Kaprizov. And that's where I would expect
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them to play together. And at the very least, we'll be
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together. Play 1.
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I think the biggest thing that we're gonna see that really
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increases Bally's value this year is the power play
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production. I think the power play gets
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significantly better this year. We saw they were kind of
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struggling when they were rotating who the defence was
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gonna be on that on that unit, and they didn't have to present
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for a large part of the season as well.
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And then you add like 2 better offensive guys on that on the
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power play and I think we see his.
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What did you say was .2? .26. .26 I can see it being like
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a .32 this year, you know what I mean?
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And I think he takes a jump. His shot volume is already elite
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when it's over over 3.2. I can see him being like around
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3 value next year and and just being like one of those guys
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that you know you consider at the 2 three turn or in the
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middle of the third round. Hmm I I see him going around 4
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but um but I wouldn't hate him and round next.
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Year. Are you saying next?
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Year, yeah, I see. Next year, this year I think
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it's probably gonna go. I mean depends how deep your
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league is obviously, but round 4 is probably the the median
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outcome. Yeah.
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I think, I think, I wonder if the only thing that is in the
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back of my mind is do does this Minnesota first line need an
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elite centre to finally have everybody hit their ceilings?
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Or is that just not a question? I think Rossi or Erickson Eck
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are both good enough. I think the elite person is
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Kaprizov. He doesn't need and Boldis right
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there, like OK, not right there with him, but bullies are
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really, really good player. You know, you if you have two
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wingers like that, you just need an OK centre, you know, like and
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Rossi and Merck are both serviceable enough as a first
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and centre that I don't think that's gonna be hamper them in
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any way. Are you worried at all that body
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doesn't play with Kaprizov? Yeah, I think that.
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Would be does that significantly affect his points?
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It would, yeah, but I don't know.
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If I think bold is good enough to drive his own line first of
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all. Yeah, I don't know if you're.
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Obviously I'd rather him play with Kaprizov though.
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If you have the guarantee that he plays with Caprice of all
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year, like obviously his ADP won't change, but this is a
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hypothetical. Do you pick him in the second
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round? No, no secondary.
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Too early for him. Yeah, but like he, he'll be at
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the end of the third round, I think.
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Yeah, it's gonna be a late 3rd, early 4th I think, and I think
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it's me. I see him playing with Kaprizov
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the whole time. Yeah, it feels high.
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I don't know if ADP is gonna actually be there.
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I feel like it's gonna be. I'm also talking like 14 person
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link. Yeah, that's how deep our league
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is. But the reason why I'm worried
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is because we don't we, we've never seen Zuccarello play on
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the left wing. So he's like stable right wing
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and then I can tear a single play on the left.
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I think so. That's the, that's the question,
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right? But then you have.
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It'll be either zuccarello on that first line or boldly on
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that first line. I don't think he's gonna
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necessarily be playing with Boldly outside of power play, to
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be honest. I think it's more of a.
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Question. A big question mark.
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I think it's a question mark, but I think he has a talent to
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make up for the value. It's kind of like a Brandon
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Hagel, right? Like even if he's not on P1, he
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can still be so successful. But I think Bully already has
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the power play secured. I think he's the second best
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player on this team so. In my mind, Baldy is definitely
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playing line one with Kaprizov, but obviously it's possible that
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he doesn't. It's not one of those like it's
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set in stone type of things, but I definitely say more likely
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than not, they're gonna play together.
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All right, let's go to. #7. Alright at #7 we have Willy
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Stiles. William Nylander of the Toronto
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Maple Leafs last year put up 1.02 points, .37 power play
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points, 3.1 shots. I feel like he was so good.
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I feel like he was low key last year.
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I feel like nobody was really talking about Nylander.
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Last year was always, you know, Matthews Marner, and he just
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kind of like did his thing, a point per game.
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I kind of expected more points from him to be honest, but we
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just have. The points are sick and the
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shots are great. Exactly.
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We know he's getting at least a point per game.
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We know he's getting over three shots a game and we know the
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power play is gonna be usually one of the best, so.
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Well, the big question is how is the loss of Mariner gonna affect
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him? I think it boosts him with
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anything. Really.
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Yeah, I see they're probably getting worse.
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I see they're probably getting worse.
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I don't see how it could get better.
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So he got .37 power play points last year per game.
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Let's say that drops down to .3 and then the big thick question
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is even strength if he gets bumped up to play line one with
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Matthews and knives. Fully agree that's a great move
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for him. But I could very well see him
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sticking with the various. They like having that like 2
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strong lines. And in that case his even
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strength hasn't changed in his power play just got worse so I
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don't see why he would have. Why he?
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Would benefit him. I think the loss of Marner gives
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him more responsibility to, you know, be a, you know, point
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together on this team because they can't rely on on Marner
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anymore, right? So I think there's just opens up
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more possibilities for him to be involved in terms of like they
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need him, whether he like he thrives in that situation or
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not. Like there's no more money was
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hogging all the blame when things were going wrong.
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Now it feels like, you know, that reasoning, that reason or
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excuse is out of the question. If if stuff doesn't go well,
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it's gonna be on Matthews and it's gonna be on the under.
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You know what I love about Nylander though?
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There's 22 week things. One passport.
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Yeah, OK, three things. One that most importantly,
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second past four years he's played 81 games four years ago,
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then 828282. That's awesome.
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I know we can't really predict like if injuries happen
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necessarily that their injury prone, but there is something to
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be said in this Iron Man like so if you knew Phil Kessel was
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going to play every game, same same with Keith Yandell.
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It feels like Nylander shaping up to be that guy, which is
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really, really good because it's just easy to draft.
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And remember in the playoffs, I think it was two years ago, they
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were on the bench. Like I can't believe we're
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losing again, blah. Like Marner was almost in tears
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and then Neil Lander looks at me like stop effing crying.
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Focus. I was like, alright, this guy's
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got it, you know? He is, yeah, one of the like,
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Core 4 who doesn't disappear in the playoffs, so.
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Yeah, I. Feel showing that he could step.
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Up in like and if he does that, I mean, I think he could get I
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think this could be his first hundred point year and it's not
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so crazy because 98 two years ago.
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So I actually think it may boost him.
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I see why obviously it makes sense for him to be on that.
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And by the way, if he does succeed, like I don't think
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they're going to put Nyes, Matthews and Nylander on the
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same line. I think it's going to be too top
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heavy. So then that noise goes down to
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the virus, which may not be much worse for him than for for
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Matthews. So I think those 4 all have a
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very safe value. And Neil Anders gonna like, OK,
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hundreds a lot, but probably like, I'd estimate 90 points
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this year. I think the biggest thing we saw
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when you learned last year though is his shot volume
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significantly decreased from the previous year.
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Last year he was at 3.09. The year before that was at
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3.85. That's almost one shot less a
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game in the span of one season. His points also did from like
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1.22023 to 1.02, 2024. So I think overall, we kind of
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saw him take a step back in terms of his overall production
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and didn't really feel that way because he was delivering on a
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consistent basis. But we know that he has a
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certain higher floor to him. And I think now with the extra
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responsibility and the less mouths to feed, let's say, quote
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UN quote, he can grow into that player that delivers more.
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Obviously that's why he's still at #7 though, right?
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Yes, so both you and I are higher on Marner lists and
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Josh's lower on. I'm higher on the leaves in
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general Marner lists. I feel like I'm, from what I'm
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seeing on social media and whatever, I feel like
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everybody's like knocking them down like twofold or like 100
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points, 50 points, you know, like Martyr was like the best
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player ever and making sure everybody else succeeded.
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Apparently. I still think you're good
20:37
players, that. Will, I'm like, I don't think
20:40
it's gonna be like A2 folded drop or anything like that.
20:42
In terms of Nylander specifically, he's still easily
20:44
gonna be a point per game and he's gonna be 3 plus shots.
20:46
I do think he's gonna take a hit in the power play points
20:48
department. I think that whole team is.
20:50
I mean, you're going from Marner to Morgan Riley or to another
20:54
forward, you know, like you can't convince me that the power
20:57
play is not taking a big hit there.
20:59
You're losing 100 plus point guy on the power play.
21:02
I I get that that makes a lot of sense.
21:05
Like. What's what's the point
21:07
threshold that you make a bet Josh like you think is 85?
21:12
Nylander's gonna easily be point per game, so I'm, I'm, yeah, I
21:14
think he's gonna hit 85. There's no way in my mind he's
21:17
hitting 100. No, I don't think 100.
21:20
I think I think 90. That's the ceiling.
21:22
But I think 90 was. 808787 and a half over under.
21:27
No, because that's right around or I think like it could it
21:30
could end up not know about the over under there.
21:32
OK. But I'll say like I don't expect
21:34
him to put similar points up to last year with just fewer power
21:37
play points. Yeah, well, I don't think this
21:40
is beer about worthy because we're all sort of in the same
21:42
range. We could definitely find some
21:44
beer betting later though, so let's move on to.
21:47
What should I give one? Would you rather cross position?
21:51
Sure, William? William Nylander or Panarin?
21:57
Panarin. OK.
21:59
Leander Forsberg. Now you had Waterford, but
22:03
Forsberg. Alright, number six.
22:06
Wow, OK at #6 we've got Tage Thompson, the alliteration King
22:12
of Buffalo. Last year you put up a .95
22:17
points, .21 power play points, and 3.2 shots on goal.
22:22
And also noteworthy to mention, he had 4.6% higher shooting
22:27
percentage than his career average at 18.2 last year.
22:31
He's so tall. Yeah.
22:33
Yeah, enough said. Alright, next SO.
22:37
I remember when I picked him up like 3 years ago and he was like
22:40
triple eligible like centre left.
22:41
Yeah, that was that was insane. What's up?
22:44
Every time we talk about teach. One of my best pickups ever.
22:48
Yeah, honestly, I like, I think he belongs where he is here, but
22:54
that points that shooting discrepancy is scary.
22:58
I will say though that I think the shoot that one is more a
23:01
case of him just shooting less but getting the same amount of
23:04
goals, if that makes sense. So because of that, the
23:06
percentage goes up because in the past is like flirted with
23:09
four shots on goal per game and last year was at 3.2.
23:11
So I see it as more of him just having shot less last year while
23:14
somehow maintaining the same goals.
23:16
Yeah, as opposed to him over scoring for the shots he was
23:20
taking. Can Buffalo not suck?
23:24
Is there a chance like? Honestly because I feel like
23:26
their management is awful. I know, but like like just like
23:30
roster wise, like it's it's not that bad.
23:34
It does not. Mean trading away any of their
23:36
good players. Yeah, they just, they lost
23:38
Peterka, they lost Cousins, they got Norris, but he's gonna be
23:42
injured for half the year. So, like, I don't know, it's
23:45
tough. I mean, I don't think Thompson
23:47
needs Buffalo to be good for him to be good.
23:48
Him and Darlene could just be like miserable Bros together who
23:51
like, hit points for game and have like, you know, value.
23:54
But yeah, no, I mean, it's crazy.
23:56
Just year after year. What's their drought out now for
23:58
playoffs? Is it 13 years?
23:59
So yeah, I'm scared For what? They're asking man, sorry.
24:05
I'm scared for what they're author looks like because, you
24:07
know, like Josh Norris is obviously we know he has like
24:11
he's a talented player, just if he can stay healthy and and be
24:13
on the ice. But like I can see Jason Zucker
24:15
and Alex talking traded before the trade deadline.
24:17
Two teams that are, you know, competing and then who who is he
24:21
playing with? Like the centres on this team,
24:23
it's Josh Norris, Yuri Coolidge and Ryan McLeod.
24:26
Like you're not writing home about any of these guys there.
24:28
I wouldn't say there's any Josh Norris, maybe the only two C
24:32
like level kind of player. The rest are like 3C kind of
24:35
guys. And then you got Zach Benson,
24:37
Jason Zucker and Alex Talk rounding out the winners of the
24:39
of the top 6. Like literally just take.
24:41
Just a weak team. This is a weak team.
24:44
I still love Taja. I think he he can hit fifty
24:46
goals this season is just. How can be tough with that that
24:50
surrounding cast? Though.
24:51
I know, but have you ever watched Tage play a game and see
24:55
him score a hatrick live? No, I have.
24:57
This guys insane. Did we mention how tall he is?
25:02
Call. Said it before, but he's super
25:05
tall. I I, I love him.
25:07
I really want him on my fantasy team.
25:08
I feel like I always try to trade for him when I don't have
25:10
him. Yeah, but yeah.
25:12
What's a good round for anything round 3?
25:14
I think he's around 3 player is the power play.
25:17
That's really a big question for me.
25:18
I think we saw Buffalo probably be a little bit better last year
25:21
and that's what we saw. You know the the points.
25:24
It's not something you count on, right?
25:25
I know, I know. That's why it's scary.
25:27
Like I would not be surprised if you have a bottom 10 power play
25:29
next year, so. Yeah, sad times in Buffalo, but
25:33
tapes those is sick. Yeah, yeah, he deserves a beer.
25:37
OK, let's go to #5. At #5 the much talked about
25:44
Mikko Rantanen of the Colorado no Dallas Stars.
25:50
No. For now, until the next three
25:53
team trade or whatever happens the last year put up 1.07 points
25:57
.32 power play points, 2.6 shots on goal per game.
26:02
What a wild year for Rantanen last year.
26:04
Seriously. Just throw all the numbers out
26:07
the window and start from scratch when it comes to him
26:09
this year because I have no idea what to expect.
26:11
Like we saw, you know, regular season ranting in after post
26:14
Colorado B like up and down. We saw postseason Renton and be
26:19
was a monster. Yeah, it was the same.
26:22
Where does he fall? Somewhere in the knockout, his
26:24
old team was just like, you can't make that up.
26:28
Yeah, The biggest thing right is where, where do you draft it?
26:31
Because is he still a first round player or does he take a
26:33
significant dip? Like is he second?
26:35
Round and 3rd look like in context for people, I mean, no
26:39
one has this short of a memory, you know, But like as early as
26:42
last year he was being drafted what, like 9th overall, even
26:45
early like that, like, yeah. And people were like excited
26:48
like that was a good that was the right pick.
26:49
You know, like he was the classic.
26:51
Like we were talking like earlier about that kind of
26:54
cluster of like the Pasta Matthews, you know, like those
26:58
guys, my car or whatever. Like Rantanen was right in that
27:00
conversation. And then he gets traded, has an
27:03
awful showing in Carolina, goes to Dallas, plays a bit better,
27:06
then has a great playoffs. And it's just like, where does
27:09
this guy go? I see him going really round
27:11
too. Yeah, really.
27:14
What do you think? Would you?
27:15
Take it over there. I don't think I'm taking him in
27:17
the second round. That's why I see him going.
27:21
Are think I take him mid to late second round, not early.
27:26
It's way too volatile. Like, I have no idea.
27:29
I mean, like we was playing with McKinnon and McKinnon really
27:32
brings out the best in, you know, his, his.
27:35
Same reason you're so high on natches.
27:37
Literally though, like that's it and this team is just loaded.
27:40
The thing with Dallas is like, I don't see it being impossible if
27:45
he ends up on like power play too, like.
27:47
No, there's no, no, there's no way.
27:49
Listen with Robertson and Haskin and Tyler Sagan like they may
27:53
just switch things up and it's not power play 2 like
27:55
necessarily. It would just be a 1B or 1A as
27:58
opposed to a clear 1. He should be the number one
28:00
offensive guy on this team. That's an amazing team that's
28:03
probably gonna lead the NHL in goals for if he is the
28:06
centerpiece of that. I mean, all signs point to this
28:09
being amazing. It's just like, look, crazier
28:11
things have happened, truly and. I guess the big thing is that
28:15
like, why take the risk at that point, right?
28:18
That's what I'm saying. I just don't like it there.
28:20
But I was, yeah. Take him like if he falls to the
28:22
late second round, like yeah. Rather Marner.
28:25
Marner I was just thinking that. Yeah, I'd go Warner.
28:29
Also changed teams and we don't have the luxury of seeing him in
28:32
play games with that team yet. And we saw ranting, and I mean,
28:36
the last time we saw him play for Dallas was in the playoffs,
28:38
and he was a beast, right? So I would go around and sorry,
28:42
good morning, over, around and yeah.
28:45
Yeah, and that's no Connor. Yeah, Kyle Conner.
28:49
I'm thinking ranting in over Connor.
28:50
I. Could be crazy though.
28:53
I would. This is like the worst decision
28:55
for me. I don't know who to choose.
28:57
I would also. I think I have to go Rantanen.
29:00
And then I would take it's hard to that line feels like it could
29:04
be like a 123. That's me.
29:08
It's hard to forget the fact that Ranson was like a pick 7,
29:12
seven overall guy for every year and.
29:14
He was breaking 100 points. He was breaking 100 points
29:16
every. Year.
29:16
Yeah. So it's like, so like part of
29:19
you is like, OK, there was this huge change of scenery that
29:21
changes its value and another part of you is like, OK, but
29:23
maybe I'm getting a steal in the second round of just a second
29:26
first round pick, you know, So it's it's really tough with
29:29
Rantanen. If you believe Renton gets 95
29:31
points, you pick him in the second round.
29:33
If you believe he's more now he's more of like an 85 point
29:35
player, then he falls to the third and that's kind of like
29:39
where my mind is at is just like, do you have conviction on
29:41
him actually like producing at that level?
29:43
Fact is that Dallas isn't amazing team and I do expect him
29:46
to be the best forward on that team.
29:49
I agree there's also that's just.
29:51
The fact of like the too many mouths to feed that we talk
29:53
about all the time, right? So it's like, yeah, like you
29:56
have essentially 3 full lines of four words who are gonna get
29:58
points. Yeah.
30:01
It's a tough one. Yeah, but we have him at #5 So.
30:06
Yeah, yeah. Alright. #4 at #4 we've got Sam.
30:12
I am Reinhart of the Florida Panthers.
30:16
Honestly, some of these are just pulling out of my last year he
30:21
put up. One of your one points.
30:25
My a word as Kevin would say, 1.03 points .38 power play
30:30
points, 2.7 shots, 1.3 hits and a bunch of shorties.
30:36
Him and Mark are to short the Shorty duo.
30:39
Yeah, I always go up against these guys in the first week of
30:43
the season and they always put up ridiculous short ending
30:45
points against me. Like last year I went up against
30:47
Ryan Hart like week 1 and he had a four goal game including I
30:51
think 2 short handed points and I was just sitting there like
30:54
welcome back to fantasy I guess. Which wishes he was this short.
31:00
Yeah, I mean, Reinhardt, I feel like he was.
31:03
He was like the Marchenko before Marchenko, right?
31:06
Like out of nowhere, you kind of don't know what to expect.
31:08
New team, he blows up in value. He's playing with one of the
31:11
best centres in the league. And then you're like, OK, you
31:13
can't keep it up. And then the next year he keeps
31:14
it up. So you're like, OK, I guess this
31:16
is just kind of what we have to expect right now.
31:18
Last year he was like so high on my avoid list.
31:20
I was like, it's, it was a one year thing.
31:23
He's never done anything like that before.
31:25
And then he just goes and does it again and I'm like, you know
31:26
what? Alright, you convinced me.
31:29
Yeah, I like it. I like the fact that his hits
31:31
are so low key. Yeah.
31:33
So they are, you know, like it's not make it or break it in a
31:35
week for you, but like that's gonna help.
31:37
I mean. Yeah, it's just like a nice
31:38
little. Video game.
31:39
It's kind of like Matthews with the blocks.
31:41
Yeah, kind of. He's he's obviously an elite
31:45
player. There's no, I mean, two years
31:47
ago he was significantly better than last year and last year he
31:50
was still really good. Like you, you take him because
31:54
he's one of the centerpieces on that amazing team, similar to
31:58
rats. And then I would say, I think
31:59
Brandon actually does have a higher ceiling, I think, but I'm
32:03
much more at ease picking Reinhart.
32:05
The thing with with Reinhart is I, I feel like he's due for some
32:08
like negative regression in terms of his points.
32:11
I can see him being a player that this year maybe doesn't
32:16
hit, you know, 90 points and it's more like in between that
32:19
like 80s to. He was 81 and 79 last year.
32:23
Two years ago he was 94 with 57 goals.
32:27
That that's fine. Like that's like where I'm like,
32:30
OK, I guess he regressed to last year.
32:32
You know what I mean? Like that to me makes more
32:33
sense. I see him more as like a 35 to
32:36
40 goal player and like between 40 to 50 assists.
32:42
And it's just like the shots the shots are are really good.
32:45
He's really gonna shorted as well.
32:47
I think that's why he's ranked really high in in shorties
32:49
leagues, yeah. That's a massive 1.
32:52
Where do you take him second round?
32:54
Yeah, he's a second round guy. Yeah.
32:57
Yeah, I I would take him higher than mountain.
32:59
And this is definitely like, yeah, I'm at ease with this.
33:02
You know, we didn't agree on everything, but I feel like this
33:04
is like a a pretty sound place. The reason why it's so high is
33:09
the next guy, the power play volume is also really high and
33:11
that's kind of one of the reasons why Crazy Elite compared
33:15
to the other players. Quote UN quote, only a point per
33:18
game, but it feels like all those points are on a special
33:20
team. It's either like a PowerPoint or
33:22
a Shorty. He was like, he's always gets
33:24
like the most fantasy value out of everything he does.
33:27
Like we just talked about Tage as like 2 right wings before him
33:30
and Reinhart could double him in power play points which is yeah,
33:34
crazy to think about right? Like, I mean pretty much did
33:36
last year. Yeah, yeah.
33:37
So that's why he's so elite and you want him on your fantasy
33:41
team. Yeah, OK.
33:44
Let's move on to the next. #3 We've talked about them.
33:48
At #3 We've got Mitch Marner, the alliteration king of the
33:52
Vegas Golden Knights. There's so.
33:56
Many of these are only Marvel characters.
33:58
You know how Marvel cars always have the same letter of the?
34:00
First name like that's. I never noticed the time I
34:03
started doing this bit but it's actually crazy.
34:06
Exactly. That last year, 1.26 points per
34:11
game .41 power play points, 2.1 shots, just crazy crazy points
34:17
and power play points. I think everybody's really
34:20
excited about Marner this year. It feels like all the people
34:22
that were haters on the leaves are now truthers on Vegas.
34:25
Yeah. Do you think that do you think
34:28
he could somehow get better? You know, like.
34:30
I think he could somehow get better, but honestly it it just,
34:34
I think it's probably more of the same.
34:36
And if it's very rare for for us to like look at a player and
34:39
have a complete change of scenery and, and, and not be
34:42
worried about like their deployment.
34:44
I feel there's always like that itch in the back of your mind.
34:46
That's what if he's like very different on this team.
34:50
But when Mari have no worries, I feel like he's such an elite
34:52
player and playmaker that he's gonna be playing with elite
34:55
talent as well. I expect only good things.
34:58
He's a mid to early second round pick and if you stack them with
35:04
Jack Eichel, I mean, everybody's been talking about that.
35:06
I think that would be really fun.
35:08
Yeah, yeah. It's just like you swapped, you
35:10
swapped Matthews for Eichel, you know.
35:12
Yeah, that's like, feels like a pretty lateral move.
35:14
They're both amazing players. And The thing is, like you said,
35:17
Marner, it's not like he's just been mooching off the good
35:20
players playing with, he's a good player in his own right.
35:22
So he's gonna be fine. He's gonna, you know, it's also
35:25
hard to project him doing better when he's already playing at
35:28
such an elite level, you know? So I think saying he's going to
35:30
be pretty much the same as a as a safe bet.
35:33
It does feel very obvious that part of the problem was the
35:35
media attention. You know, yeah, that's a big
35:38
thing that he's just not gonna have to deal with in Vegas.
35:40
I mean, he was getting like this family was getting dogs, like
35:42
they're getting stalked. Like there was some crazy stuff.
35:44
Going on, yeah, like that won't happen.
35:46
Like you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
35:48
It's just not like that hockey is like a big thing for them.
35:52
Obviously since they came into the league, they're hyped
35:55
franchise about it, but it's just not as big of a deal for
35:57
them as it is for the least. And I feel like this is exactly
36:00
the headspace he needed to get away from to I guess really it's
36:04
affected it mainly in the playoffs season, even though
36:06
point per game last year was not bad last season 102 and 81 is
36:10
amazing. He's pretty resilient injury
36:12
wise. His biggest weakness is shots.
36:16
We don't usually see guys that are this elite that are, you
36:19
know, hover around 100 points and and only shoot barely at 2A
36:23
game. I call, though, isn't as much of
36:27
A only goal scorer as Matthews is, You know what I mean?
36:32
So there may be more of like giving Marner the opportunity to
36:34
shoot more. I wouldn't be surprised.
36:36
I would like to see that in this game because I think if he can
36:39
reach, you know, get to that 2.5 to closer to three threshold, I
36:42
think that'd be wonders for his value.
36:44
I just wanna maybe he gets less assists and more goals, but it's
36:47
harder to get goals. So there's a world where, you
36:49
know he gets five more goals but 15 less assists or.
36:51
Something I mean at that point like you take his exact stats
36:54
from last year and you add like an extra shot that makes him
36:58
like a top ten pick, right? Yeah, yeah, 102 points and, and
37:03
what would that be like 250 shots like?
37:05
That like that yeah like, yeah like why why not why that that
37:09
type of players at top 10 picks so you know if something like
37:12
that happens like Michael is you know he is a good passer as well
37:16
so. I don't know.
37:17
I can see Mourner getting like, you know, he got 27 goals last
37:20
year. Could he hit 30 this year and
37:22
get the 70 assists and 100 points?
37:26
I think that's, I feel like an average outcome for what we
37:29
have, what we know Monitor can do and who he's playing with.
37:32
Yeah. And if the power plays still
37:35
good or elite like ceiling is even higher, sure.
37:38
For sure it's a good it's a good team for fantasy players value.
37:42
Definitely. Yeah, alright. #2. #2 We have
37:48
David Pasternak of the Boston Bruins.
37:52
Last year he put up 1.29 points .28 power play points, 3.9
37:56
shots. He is.
37:59
Is he the best shooter in the league?
38:02
Probably second to McKinnon. Yeah, yeah.
38:06
And I agree with that. Yeah, we we gave like a decent
38:09
assessment even on the left wings episode, just because
38:11
Pasternak is everywhere. He's, I think we should might as
38:13
well talk about both Russians together, right?
38:16
He's not. Russian.
38:19
Last year, nobody remembers, only me.
38:27
Actually, no, I do. That was really funny.
38:29
Yeah, Pasternak's great. And it's funny because I feel
38:33
like all the good playoff schedules from last year are the
38:35
bad ones this year and vice versa.
38:37
One of the things was like, we talked about Pasternak less
38:40
favorably a little bit because he didn't have that player.
38:43
Now he has a four for four. Yeah, he's the best player
38:45
schedule. It's massive.
38:47
And even though he is, I don't even know if you would say
38:51
talismanic, because it's not like Boston was so good, but
38:55
he's good. You would say talismanic for
38:57
sure. Kevin, would you use the word?
38:59
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I love it.
39:02
I don't think it matters at Boston sucks, which I still
39:04
think they do. We love Geeky cuz he's gonna be
39:06
playing with Pasta. I I'm still low on them as a
39:10
team, but very high on him as a fantasy player.
39:13
When it comes to pasta, I think we have to ask 2 questions.
39:16
Are we worried about Boston being bad and does that affect
39:19
his value? And Rose or Alfredo, Sorry.
39:24
Let me at least get to it. And rose hair.
39:26
Off it now. Alfredo, obviously.
39:31
Josh Josh is a slut for Alfredo but.
39:33
Yeah. He loves.
39:34
Alfredo, Yeah. That's a pasta too, but.
39:40
Yeah, Alfredo's. This guy invented that.
39:44
Have you, have you, have you ever seen those videos or just
39:47
like, Oh yeah, man, I was in the bathroom blowing smoke or
39:49
whatever. The guy walks into the library
39:52
like, oh hey, smoker. God.
39:58
Anyways, back to hockey. I think, I think we've already
40:04
discussed Pasta and where you're drafting him in the first round.
40:07
If you've listened to the left wings episode, if you, if you
40:09
listen to the centre episode, we've we've talked about it
40:12
there. We'll talk about it here for a
40:13
little bit. But he's a guaranteed top seven
40:16
pick. It feels like top 7 picking
40:19
bangers leagues for sure. You know where you're getting.
40:21
I feel like every year he's arguably one of the most
40:23
reliable players. Let's not forget though, he had
40:25
a rough start last year. It wasn't.
40:27
It definitely wasn't sunshines and rainbows, but.
40:30
The first time in the last few years that he's had us like a
40:33
slow start to the season. And yeah, he's like every time.
40:36
I'm always trying to buy low on him.
40:37
I did it one year actually. I did buy low on him.
40:39
It was crazy. Flip it was, Yeah.
40:42
Troy, Terry and Al and that's it.
40:46
Yeah, pretty. Much.
40:48
Good time is consistent from the from the get go.
40:50
This is massive so like don't it's true that the the slow
40:53
start is kind of a part of his game teams, which is annoying,
40:58
but it's like when he turns it on like he's just insane so.
41:03
We believe in the coaching staff.
41:05
I don't think it matters the guy like pasta.
41:07
I think this is the one, the one thing, the one unit that I've
41:10
seen for Boston in like a decade.
41:12
That's the one thing I was gonna say is that I'm worried about
41:15
the power play points because like you're picking these guys
41:18
like top like 7 picks. Like you said, you expect a lot
41:22
of power play production along with the points, you know, and I
41:24
think that you guys are saying you're not worried about how bad
41:26
Boston is going to be, you know, in terms of Pasta, like overall.
41:29
And I agree because he's just that good of a player.
41:32
But one player, you know, is not enough to make the whole power
41:35
play good. It definitely helps, but uh, but
41:37
if he's surrounded by kind of like mediocrity, then I think is
41:40
probably going to take a dip. They were only like .28 last
41:42
year. Yeah, so.
41:43
If you if you look at 2023, he scored 110 points, 35 power play
41:47
points. 2024 is what, 106 points, 23 power play points, 4
41:52
less points, 12 less power play points.
41:55
So we still kind of like bridges the gap even though the power
41:58
play is weaker. I can see him hovering around 23
42:00
power play points. Again, like he played a full
42:01
season. He played 82 games.
42:02
Yeah. 23, probably between 20 and 25, which feels like it's
42:08
David Pasternak, like you have to expect more from that, but he
42:11
still breaks 100 so. Yeah.
42:14
It's tough. Yeah, it is.
42:16
It is. He's #2 for a reason.
42:19
His shot volume is just insane on I feel like any year he can
42:22
be the strongest shooter in the league.
42:24
For sure, for sure. OK, number one, Yeah. #1A member
42:32
of a trade between Jackie and Kevin last year.
42:35
We both want to trade. Nikita Kucherov of the Tampa Bay
42:40
Lightning last year he put up 1.55 points .59 power play
42:45
points and 3.4 shots on goal. He is the clear 4th overall
42:51
pick. I think we all agree on that
42:52
pretty much for mostly formats. He's the last layer than this to
42:55
your. Might even be able to argue him
42:57
over dry seidel at. Just because he's he has that
43:00
point difference that like I don't think Pasternak has this
43:04
feeling like it's like it's great and awesome.
43:07
But exactly. But I've been playing with
43:10
points, playing with Denzel and Hagel Hedman.
43:13
It's just such a good surrounding cast with probably
43:16
the best fantasy hockey coach have so to me, like that's why I
43:22
have him as like a tear break over.
43:24
He's won the Art Ross the last two years.
43:26
Pasternak. Yeah.
43:28
You know, and he scored 121 points last year, 144 the year
43:31
prior. Like we know he's gonna be one
43:34
of the best in the league. They're on one of the best power
43:36
plays in the league. Like it's it's ridiculous.
43:38
It's one of the most reliable things you can bet on Kucherov
43:41
being an elite power play production player and being a
43:45
shoe in for the art Ross. So.
43:47
I was impressed looking at his shots on goal too.
43:49
You know, like I don't know why in my mind I viewed him as this
43:52
guy who was getting like ridiculous points but not doing
43:54
the most back at twice. But 3.4 shots is amazing.
43:57
I'm so amazing that. It's elite.
43:59
There is definitely a question for him over Dry saddle.
44:02
I just feel like Seattle has, you know, especially if you're
44:05
playing in category leagues that have faceoff wins like always,
44:08
that's a huge tiebreaker. Dries Out has the dual
44:11
eligibility, which is a big help as well in terms of like fitting
44:14
players into your lineup. But Kucherov is if he's not 4,
44:18
he's three. If he's not, 3 is 4, so.
44:20
Yeah. Yeah, in seven of the last eight
44:23
years, Kucherov has been on a 100 plus point per game basis.
44:27
And the only reason that he wasn't that in that one of eight
44:32
years is because he didn't play the whole year.
44:35
He came back for the playoffs. 2020 and 2021, they won the
44:40
Stanley Cup and he got 32 points in 23 games like this.
44:45
This is one of those guys that I feel like in 5-10 years from
44:49
now, we're gonna be like, we're gonna talk about him way more
44:53
fondly than people do now. Not that people aren't a huge
44:55
fan of his, but this is. He's much more elite and
44:59
generational than people give him credit.
45:01
For I fully agree. You really feel people aren't
45:04
giving him enough flowers? Yeah, really should be, yeah.
45:08
For such like an elite player, I feel like he doesn't get as much
45:12
recognition as like a McKinnon McDavid dry little when he's
45:16
like putting up more points than all Matthews.
45:18
Like, yeah, like, yeah, it's maybe it's the fact that he's
45:21
not like a centre. And so like in real life, maybe
45:24
he's more just, you know, a bit 1 dimensional in terms of pure
45:27
offence. But like the numbers he's
45:28
putting up, it doesn't matter, you know, like it's a I don't
45:31
know why, but I definitely get the same vibe that Jakey does of
45:33
him. Yeah, not being as recognized as
45:35
he should be. It feels like, I don't know,
45:38
it's weird honestly. Like I don't really get it.
45:41
And I think he should be considered like in the record
45:45
books is like, incredible. But like, how much more
45:48
favorably is he spoken about than Panarin?
45:50
Like, we think he's better than Panarin.
45:52
We know he's better than Panarin.
45:53
He obviously is. But I feel like they're kind of
45:56
talked about in the same way. But he has led this team to
45:59
their Stanley Cups. Yeah.
46:01
Like, you know, there's no question about it.
46:03
He's been the best player on these teams with their playoff
46:06
success. I think he's amazing.
46:08
And no, I wouldn't pick him third, but yeah, for four.
46:12
Would you pick him third if you knew that Tampa had a 443 and
46:17
333? I don't know, I I think I'm
46:21
still taking dry soil. What about if your league didn't
46:24
count face off wins? Yeah, then then Coach ohe easy.
46:29
Yeah, I I think so. I think that's like the easy I
46:33
wouldn't take him over McDavid. Who gets more points dry saddle
46:36
or or couture of the season? Coach, I have no problem saying.
46:41
That we'll get some more shots even.
46:46
Do you think so? I think so.
46:48
I think it's because I don't think it's enough to sway it.
46:53
I think drizzle gets more goals that I'm sure of.
46:57
Yeah, I could get more points, more power play points, similar
46:59
if not more shots. Yeah.
47:01
And then obviously. Has a four.
47:03
Face off wins. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
47:05
I don't think that's crazy. Honestly, in my mind before we
47:09
did these top 10s, I was like easy top 4 you go looking and
47:12
McDavid Draisaitl Cooch. But now like my coochin dry
47:16
Seidler maybe flip flipped and then talking Brady at 5 also in
47:20
the previous episode like I'm all I'm all finished working.
47:23
I'm all over the place, you. Know it's worth it.
47:26
And you know what the truth is? Like what's so fun about fantasy
47:30
hockey is that there really are these debates and it could go
47:33
different ways. League settings matter a lot.
47:35
Like for football, it's fantasy points.
47:37
Like that's the standard easily for hockey category leagues,
47:42
banger leagues, which is what we specialize in.
47:44
There's so many different ways to do it based on league
47:46
setting. So honestly, the fact that we're
47:48
pretty firm in these lists, the centres, the left wings and the
47:51
right wings, you should listen to all three.
47:53
They're all super valuable at the end of the day, though, to
47:56
kind of waver on one versus the other.
47:58
League settings really do make a difference.
48:00
No faceoffs? Yeah, I'm taking Cooch over
48:02
Drysol. With faceoffs, I'm comfortably
48:03
taking Drisdol. It makes sense.
48:06
So there is something to be said about that.
48:08
And honestly, you can listen to our assessments and our analysis
48:12
and make your own decisions. But there's a lot of fun to be
48:17
had, and you can do a lot of great things with roster
48:21
construction. And catch up next week when we
48:25
do defensemen and goalies. Yeah, let's go.
48:29
A whole other layer of complexity to it, which is super
48:32
duper fun. But yeah, thank you to everybody
48:34
for joining us. As mentioned, you should check
48:36
out our previous episodes, the centre and left wing top ten.
48:39
This one's the right wing one. I think it's they're all super
48:42
valuable and go together really well.
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