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Credlin | 1 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krembland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Bloca show. Great to have your company. It
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Speaker 2: will be a busy week. We're getting into the end
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Speaker 2: of the year, aren't we a massive overhaul today of
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Speaker 2: the Defense Department, three branches set to become one. Now
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Speaker 2: there's been huge cost blowouts, problems with procurement delays.
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Speaker 3: You know the story.
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Speaker 2: But is this about striking a pose or will it
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Speaker 2: make a difference? What sort of practical gain will we
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Speaker 2: get from this? Chris Yellman coming up. Serious concern too
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Speaker 2: is Muslim groups in the Australian Human Rights Commission push
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Speaker 2: to remove religion from the definition of terrorism. Reviews underway
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Speaker 2: to land on the Attorney General's desk next year. But
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with a former senior AFP officer but why
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Speaker 2: this push is such a bad idea? Plus, speaking of
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Speaker 2: law and order, the machetty bad in Victoria. The amnesty
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Speaker 2: that band starts today. The amnesty of course ended last
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Speaker 2: night and it's cost taxpayers about a thousand dollars. Fer
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Speaker 2: shety well at work or we only take a machetes
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Speaker 2: off honors gardeners. Former Detective Charlie Persina will join me
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Speaker 2: with his take and in a blow to Labour's renewables push,
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Speaker 2: the energy market operator now warning that the grid simply
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Speaker 2: isn't ready for the closure of the giant Araing Cold
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Speaker 2: five POWERstation in New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: It was the.
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Speaker 2: Liberal Matt Kean who wanted to shut it down. Give
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Speaker 2: it is now Labour's man in camberon energy.
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Speaker 3: What will happen?
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Speaker 4: Nothing will pull community support for this energy transition quicker
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Speaker 4: than reliability and costs spiking even further.
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Speaker 2: It's got a part time energy minister managing a part time.
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Speaker 5: Energy with When a email or giving a warning like
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Speaker 5: they are, then the government needs to listen to that.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it good?
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Speaker 2: Suddenly they're not behind zero, They can actually speak their mind.
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Speaker 2: Those liberals will stay with this issue because the cost
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Speaker 2: of living crisis, exemplified by your power bills going up
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Speaker 2: some thirty seven percent over the past year, is just
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Speaker 2: one symptom of an economy in decline. If you want
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Speaker 2: to know why your bills are rising faster than your wages,
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Speaker 2: while your kids can't afford to buy a house or
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Speaker 2: start a family, and while everyone's moods seems to be
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Speaker 2: getting worse, It's because as a country we're getting poorer,
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Speaker 2: not richer. Let's not forget those OECD figures released just
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Speaker 2: prior to this year's election, figures that the coalition inexplicably
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Speaker 2: hardly used as campaign ammunition, and they are that over
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Speaker 2: the past three years of Labor government rule, Australia has
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Speaker 2: suffered suffered an eight percent drop in real disposable income.
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Speaker 2: And it's government that wears a fair share of the
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Speaker 2: blame here, not just the Albanezy government camera but state governments.
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Speaker 2: Two last week, Tasmania's credit rating was downgraded.
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Speaker 3: From Double A two to Double A three.
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Speaker 2: Tasmania has a liberal government, but it's in minority and
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Speaker 2: it has to together a parliamentary majority with the usual
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Speaker 2: vote buying, deficit spreez and spending money it doesn't have
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Speaker 2: on the new AFL Stadium in Hobi, for which the
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Speaker 2: business case is negligible.
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Speaker 3: But farther work.
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Speaker 2: But by far the worst performing state in the country
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Speaker 2: is Victoria, and with the highest taxes of any state
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Speaker 2: and the highest debt worse debt than New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: Queensland and Tasmania combined. Victoria looks likely to be downgraded
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Speaker 2: again due to the appalling fiscal mismanagement of the Andrews
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Speaker 2: Allen labor governments. But the basic problem, as the former
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Speaker 2: editor of the Australian Financial Review now head of the
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Speaker 2: Center for Independent Studies, Michael Stutchbury wrote on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: is that Australia's productivity is stuck at twenty sixteen levels.
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Speaker 2: In other words, Australians are no more productive as individuals
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Speaker 2: today than we were a decade back. I'll speak with
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Speaker 2: Stutchbrey a little later in the show, but he's absolutely
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Speaker 2: right to pin point productivity as a huge problem. So
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Speaker 2: why is it so stagnant? Well, essentially there are three
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Speaker 2: reasons here. First, because we're bringing in too many migrants,
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Speaker 2: who are on average a drag on our productivity because
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Speaker 2: they work in unskilled jobs like cleaning and caring and driving.
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Speaker 3: Second, because the Albanizer.
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Speaker 2: Governs past laws making it much easier for unions to
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Speaker 2: get involved in the running of business, something that since
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Speaker 2: the eras of Hawk and Howard, so almost fifty years now,
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Speaker 2: we had been moving against. And Third, because of insane
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Speaker 2: energy policies that are killing the cheap electricity we used
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Speaker 2: to have as our main comparative economic advantage, particularly in manufacturing.
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Speaker 3: Today, in a.
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Speaker 2: Special feature, the Australian newspaper covered the real world impact
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Speaker 2: of our skyrocketing power prices and with no end in sight.
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Speaker 2: It was a sorry read, particularly in relation to the
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Speaker 2: fact it's having on small business story after story of
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Speaker 2: owners either cutting back their operations or not expanding them
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Speaker 2: because the power they need is.
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Speaker 3: Just too expensive.
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Speaker 2: And as long as the green left labor governments stay
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Speaker 2: in office, it will get worse because the so called
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Speaker 2: climate crisis is an article of faith for labor, so
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Speaker 2: that means morequalified powerstations will be set to close, even though,
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Speaker 2: as we were worn today by the Energy Market Operator,
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Speaker 2: the closure of the giant a Ring POWERstation in New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, now scheduled for twenty twenty seven, would cause
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Speaker 2: major grid instability. Climate crusader the part time Minister Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen will he signed us up to another UN declaration,
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Speaker 2: this one on the total elimination of fossil fuels, even
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Speaker 2: though there's some sixty percent of our electricity and two
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Speaker 2: this is gas and cole two of our three biggest exports.
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Speaker 2: Labor is still pursuing as eighty two percent renewable power
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Speaker 2: pipe dream, even though the role out is way way
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Speaker 2: behind schedule. And what's also killing business in this country,
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Speaker 2: as I said, is the power of the unions and
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Speaker 2: weak politicians who let them have their way even if
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Speaker 2: it goes against the national interest. And that's because Labour's
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Speaker 2: election war chest comes from the unions and it's still
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Speaker 2: the unions who dominate the pre selection system. Just today,
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Speaker 2: for instance, it was revealed that the Farewell Commission has
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Speaker 2: rubber stamped ninety nine point ninety five percent of union
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Speaker 2: applications to enter a private sector workplace and that's never
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Speaker 2: going to change under Labor with more tool today that
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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank will look to lift rates because of
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Speaker 2: last week's inflation spike.
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Speaker 3: Do you think things aren't good now? Will believe me
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Speaker 3: they're likely to get a whole lot worse.
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Speaker 2: Or let's move now to Victoria where there's been some
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Speaker 2: big developments over the weekend. Yesterday, the new Opposition leader,
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Speaker 2: Jess Wilson unveiled her front bench lineup and frankly to
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Speaker 2: say it, it was disappointing. It was disappointing because she
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Speaker 2: missed the opportunity to rise above the factional infighting that's
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Speaker 2: been such a stain on the party's brand in Victoria,
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Speaker 2: and it was disappointing because she missed the opportunity to
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Speaker 2: show the sort of political maturity she must have if
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Speaker 2: she's going to have any hope of knocking off Labor
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Speaker 2: in under twelve months time. Her first mistake yesterday was
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Speaker 2: not to appoint a shadow treasurer. Instead, Jess Wilson said
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Speaker 2: she'll do it herself.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 3: Frankly, that's a dumb move.
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Speaker 2: Her jobs to be leader, to get this ravel opposition
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Speaker 2: into shape, to sort out the party's moribund campaigning unit,
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Speaker 2: and to give voters the confidence she can turn around
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Speaker 2: the state as a first term MP. I think she's
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Speaker 2: underestimated the work ahead, thinks she can do two of
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Speaker 2: the biggest jobs in the state at the same time
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Speaker 2: as taking sixteen seats off Labor, given Labour's got the
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Speaker 2: most brutal and the most effective campaign machine in the country.
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Speaker 2: To beat Labor, she must be across and lead the
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Speaker 2: opposition's overall economic and budget strategy. Of course she must.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying she can't be a big voice on
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Speaker 2: the economy, but she does not have the time to
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Speaker 2: be the be encounter in chief, nor does she have
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Speaker 2: the time to take the fight up to Labour's woefully
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Speaker 2: bad treasurer when it's the premier who must be her
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Speaker 2: target by giving herself the treasury role. It also looks
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Speaker 2: as if Wilson doesn't think any of her colleagues up
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Speaker 2: to being shadow treasurer for a first term MP. That's
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Speaker 2: incredibly arrogant, especially now that she's dropped one of the
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Speaker 2: Liberal's strongest performers, former Shadow Planning Minister Shadow Minister Richard Redan,
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Speaker 2: to the backbench in what looks like factional playback now
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Speaker 2: with people like read and out because of factional games.
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Speaker 3: Who's going to be her attack dog? She can't do
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Speaker 3: that herself.
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Speaker 2: And one of the big problems today it has been
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Speaker 2: a lack of fighting the Liberal dog.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, hasn't it. Now?
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Speaker 2: Sure there has been a good pole today for Jess Wilson,
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Speaker 2: but it's not a good pole for the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: because while Wilson might be a head as preferred premier
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Speaker 2: up sixteen points against you sinner Alan brad Batten was eleven,
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Speaker 2: she's sixteen good on Jess, the party head to head, well,
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Speaker 2: that isn't good and two party preferred terms. The freshwater
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Speaker 2: pole's got at fifty to fifty between Labor and the coalition.
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Speaker 3: As I said, the Liberals must win sixteen seats to
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Speaker 3: win government next November.
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Speaker 2: Now, you don't win sixteen seats on a fifty to
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Speaker 2: fifty result after eleven years of the worst government in
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Speaker 2: Victoria's history. The fact that the Liberal Party is still
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Speaker 2: neck ad neck with Labor, well, that would terrify me
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Speaker 2: as campaigner. It would tell me that there is a
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Speaker 2: huge mountain to climb, and there is, and that also
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Speaker 2: I needed my best performers on the paddic, regardless of
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Speaker 2: the faction, regardless of the bad blood, regardless of anything
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Speaker 2: they might have done or said about me in the past.
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Speaker 3: If they're good, they must be on my front beach. Now.
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Speaker 2: Given all the union millions that Labour's got and the
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Speaker 2: fact that they've got some twenty times a campaigning staff
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Speaker 2: of the Liberals and a highly politicized public service plus
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Speaker 2: a week and compliant media in Victoria, the task ahead
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Speaker 2: for the opposition is massive. And yes, Sunday's opening of
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Speaker 2: the metro ra loop, it was late and the work
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Speaker 2: was way over budget. But I hate to say it,
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Speaker 2: once it's open, most voters will forget all of that
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Speaker 2: and as they've done in the past, many will reward labor.
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Speaker 3: For getting things done.
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Speaker 2: And if they don't, don't worry, Labor will waste millions
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Speaker 2: and millions of taxpayer dollars on advertising to remind them.
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Speaker 2: As I said to all the liberals who contacted me
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Speaker 2: yesterday to ask me what I thought about the front
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Speaker 2: bench reshuffle, I said, it was a missed opportunity to
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Speaker 2: put the factional games behind the Liberals and a missed
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Speaker 2: opportunity to use their best people. Because I tell you what,
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Speaker 2: as I told the people who spoke to me yesterday,
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Speaker 2: if you lose again in Victoria, liberal supporters will never
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Speaker 2: forgive you. The Liberal party brand will be dead in
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Speaker 2: this state if they don't win next November. And I
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Speaker 2: am not kidding. All right, let's get the headlines now,
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Speaker 2: SKYI is political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 5: The government is embarking on the biggest shakeup of the
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Speaker 5: Defense Department in fifty years, and argues the changes will
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Speaker 5: deliver more bang for buck for taxpayers. A new Defense
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Speaker 5: Delivery Agency will be created, bringing together three existing capability
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Speaker 5: groups under one roof. From twenty twenty seven. It will
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Speaker 5: report directly to the Defence Minister and Defense Industry Minister.
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Speaker 5: The move shifts significant power away from the Defense Secretary.
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Speaker 1: It will mean that advice comes to government much more
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Speaker 1: early in the process about the challenges that are facing
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Speaker 1: any particular program.
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Speaker 5: The government insists this is not about job cuts and
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Speaker 5: the same workforce will move across. Australia's energy market operator
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Speaker 5: is warning the East Coast Grid is not ready for
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Speaker 5: the closure of a key coal plant in New South Wales.
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Speaker 5: It's sparking a fresh fight over the renewables transition.
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Speaker 7: We're pretty confident that there'll be enough capacity in the
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Speaker 7: system to provide that firming and to ensure that stability
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Speaker 7: in the system.
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Speaker 2: You have to have baseload generation in the system so
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Speaker 2: that the renewable grid is not stranded.
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Speaker 5: Ten coal fired power stations have closed since twenty two.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 5: The government is warning about smart cars being used for
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Speaker 5: coercive control. The Social Services Minister stood alongside the e
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Speaker 5: Safety Commissioner to flag a surge in reports of technology
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Speaker 5: facilitated domestic abuse. They're calling on tech companies to design
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Speaker 5: smart devices with safety features to protect victims.
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Speaker 2: All right, lots around inflation to energy today. Excuse me,
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Speaker 2: but a bit of a croaky throat, haven't I. It's
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Speaker 2: all critically important and it's important that you understand what's
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Speaker 2: really happening rather than just the spin. So Johnny Mean
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Speaker 2: now is someone who's covered this extensively. Skuy's political contributor
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Speaker 2: Chris Yillman, Well, let's start with that warning today from
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Speaker 2: AEMO about the impending retirement of ARAI. We know it
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Speaker 2: was set to close under the former Liberal Matt Keane
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Speaker 2: when he was minister in New South Wales. Of course
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Speaker 2: he is now the Grand Pooba for Labour's energy schemes federally.
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Speaker 2: I suspect he will still want it to close. Labour's
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins though said today, I've extended it once. See
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Speaker 2: if I have to, I'll extend it again. Here's what
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Speaker 2: the boss of a EMO, Daniel Westerban, had to say
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Speaker 2: this morning.
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Speaker 6: You'll hear the name synchronous condensers.
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Speaker 7: There's are big spinning machines on the grid that really
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Speaker 7: keep a stable heartbeat and they need to be in place.
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Speaker 5: Before the closure of major coal fire power stations.
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Speaker 6: These coal plants are just getting old. They are going
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Speaker 6: to retire.
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Speaker 7: If they're not withdrawn, they're going to break and we
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Speaker 7: need to be ready for that.
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Speaker 2: All right, how many warnings, Chris, do we need before
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Speaker 2: we wake up?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Well, look, the big spinning wheels is what he's talking about, Peter,
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Speaker 4: And the big spinning wheels inside a steam driven turbine
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Speaker 4: what we see at the heart of the cold fire
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Speaker 4: power plant. So these system stability services that we once
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Speaker 4: used to get as a byproduct of generating power now
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Speaker 4: have to be bought or we have to keep the
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Speaker 4: ones that we've got, Otherwise the wind and Solard dominant
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Speaker 4: grid will simply fall over. It doesn't provide the heartbeat
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Speaker 4: of the system that Westerman.
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Speaker 6: Was talking about there.
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Speaker 4: And of course this comes with an extra cost, and
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Speaker 4: you need to add that extra cost on top of
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Speaker 4: the transmission lines extra cost, and the top of the
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Speaker 4: batteries extra cost, and the top top of the everything
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Speaker 4: else that's needed to prop up this system cost, which
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Speaker 4: is why the system that's being built and the total
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Speaker 4: system cost that we'll end up with is absolutely massive.
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Speaker 4: And the only thing you need to do is to
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Speaker 4: look at your energy bill and you'll see why the
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Speaker 4: government is putting six point eight billion dollars worth of
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Speaker 4: your taxpayers dollars into trying to stop, to stop you
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Speaker 4: seeing the real pain of this transition.
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Speaker 2: I screamed the TV every time I hear people say,
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Speaker 2: labor ministers are out there on this very point. You know,
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Speaker 2: the system was breaking down. These cal fire powerstations were
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Speaker 2: at their end of life. They had to be retired.
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Speaker 2: This is the line. They were only at end of life.
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Speaker 2: They only required retirement because we were not replacing them.
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Speaker 2: We're not upgrading them to the new, helly, more modern
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Speaker 2: systems that we're seeing around the world. But we also
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Speaker 2: made it so on economic in policy terms, we force
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Speaker 2: this upon the industry.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, we made it politically impossible to build colifired
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Speaker 4: power plants. And all people didn't need to do again
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Speaker 4: is look at their experience. The system worked perfectly well
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Speaker 4: when it was dominated by colified power. So there's nothing
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Speaker 4: wrong with colifired power. It generates electricity very well, and
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Speaker 4: it generates it extremely cheaply comparative to almost everything else
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Speaker 4: in the marketplace. And when you compare it to wind
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Speaker 4: and solar, it is cheaper than wind and solar because
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Speaker 4: it delivers an entire electricity system, and winded solar simply don't,
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Speaker 4: not without a huge life support system. So yes, these
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Speaker 4: things work.
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Speaker 6: They work well.
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Speaker 4: Of course, they're building huge numbers of them in China
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Speaker 4: and that's where they get the cheap electricity from which
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Speaker 4: they make wind turbines and electric vehicles with and they
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Speaker 4: send them back to US and solar panels and have.
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Speaker 2: Its over a barrel in that manufacturing terms. More broadly,
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Speaker 2: you know, I really thought after COVID Chris, when we
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Speaker 2: were all stuck here, we only had one little mum
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Speaker 2: and dad shop making face mask left in a straight yeah,
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Speaker 2: the Defense Force to staff.
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Speaker 3: Their operation to scale up.
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Speaker 2: We couldn't import enough of basically anything from overseas. I
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Speaker 2: really thought we were going to wake up to this fact.
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Speaker 2: But we're not anywhere near that now.
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Speaker 4: Well, look at what's happened economically. All we've done is
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Speaker 4: really we have shifted the point of production. Carbon emissions
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Speaker 4: go up every single year. The world is not doing
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Speaker 4: net zero. What the world is doing is offshoring manufacturing
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Speaker 4: and offshore that manufacturing to China. China and now burns
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Speaker 4: fifty seven percent of the world's coldon with that energy.
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Speaker 4: What is it got a third of the world's manufacturing.
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Speaker 4: We have offshore energy to China and with it, we've
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Speaker 4: offshore the production of things that mattered to us to China.
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Speaker 6: Genius.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just on this point, when we are talking
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Speaker 2: about say the blue collar economy as we are generally
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Speaker 2: with manufacturing, that's one thing, and you can say all
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Speaker 2: that ships aret it's too hard necessarily to get that back.
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Speaker 2: But we are also about to not even on shore
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Speaker 2: and then lose. We're not even going to get ourselves
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Speaker 2: in the new economy, the tech economy, are the big
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Speaker 2: information the big data economy, because that also requires gargantuan
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Speaker 2: amounts of power and.
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Speaker 3: We will not be able to supply that.
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Speaker 2: So we'll lose in the old style technology world and
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Speaker 2: we're going to lose in the new style technology world
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 3: So you know, what, are we going to be?
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Speaker 2: An economy of nail bars and barristers? I mean, is
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Speaker 2: that what Australia is going to have to pay for
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Speaker 2: its pay for its future? I just can't see how
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Speaker 2: we pay our way in the world.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Now, bars and baristers and people who sell very expensive
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Speaker 4: houses to each other is pretty much what our economy
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Speaker 4: will be, because it's not going to be much of
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Speaker 4: anything else. When you have a ridiculously high electricity price
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Speaker 4: because in the last century we had high wages, we
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Speaker 4: had very low power costs. We can't be a high
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Speaker 4: power cost country in Australia. By the way, all of
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Speaker 4: the stuff and all of the modeling that we've seen
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Speaker 4: so far, Peter and a lot of it's very wrong already,
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Speaker 4: but isn't based on having massive growth in artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 4: So if we get that, then you have to multiply
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Speaker 4: again all of the wind and solar panels by four
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Speaker 4: or five more times to try and generate the electricity
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Speaker 4: that you'll need.
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Speaker 6: And even then it.
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Speaker 4: Won't function because it needs to be backed up by
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Speaker 4: something that you can deliver on demand. Artificial intelligence demands
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Speaker 4: to twenty four to seven power supply when solar and
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Speaker 4: batteries do not deliver it on their own.
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Speaker 2: Let's just go quickly. I want to pay credit to
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Speaker 2: the Australian newspapers today. They had a terrific feature on
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Speaker 2: the small business and medium sized business face of power bills.
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Speaker 2: We know what it is like for all of us
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Speaker 2: in our households, but what's happening there to our employment sector,
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Speaker 2: and you know half of all Australians have a job
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Speaker 2: in small business is terrifying.
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Speaker 3: Here's a bit of what some people had to.
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Speaker 8: Say, expecting another forty to fifty percent increase in the
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Speaker 8: upcoming negotiation. So it's definitely impacted my business quite severely.
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Speaker 5: We have thirty solar panels on our roof, and even
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Speaker 5: that isn't enough to offset the near twenty percent increase
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Speaker 5: in electricity bills.
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Speaker 9: And we use a lot of electricity being a bakery
20:06
Speaker 9: and pitsistary, and it's just.
20:08
Speaker 10: A massive cost that we have to incur, and the
20:12
Speaker 10: passes are just increasing quite dramatically.
20:15
Speaker 11: Makes it hard to make investment decisions for the future,
20:18
Speaker 11: hard to invest in more employees when we have uncertainty
20:23
Speaker 11: around our costs, and it's making our product more expensive
20:27
Speaker 11: to the end user.
20:29
Speaker 2: Only when the business confidence is low, profitability is in
20:34
Speaker 2: the toilet, and inflation's up.
20:36
Speaker 3: Chris Peter.
20:37
Speaker 4: One thing that's true about this is anytime that you
20:40
Speaker 4: now ask Chris Bowen or anyone else in government to
20:42
Speaker 4: name a date at which energy prices will fall, that
20:45
Speaker 4: was always the promise, And now I don't care if
20:47
Speaker 4: it's twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six, twenty seven, tell
20:50
Speaker 4: us when electricity prices will fall under the system that
20:54
Speaker 4: you are constructing, and they have no confidence in doing
20:56
Speaker 4: that because they know that they are not coming down.
20:58
Speaker 4: And this is the massive lie at the heart of
21:01
Speaker 4: all of this stuff. They know now that that is
21:04
Speaker 4: not going to happen, not anytime in the near future,
21:06
Speaker 4: and they refuse to admit that that's the case. They
21:08
Speaker 4: are trying to bandage up the pain by putting taxpayers
21:12
Speaker 4: dollars back into your electricity bill. And let's not be
21:15
Speaker 4: under any allusion as to what's happening. We are conducting
21:19
Speaker 4: surgery on the brain of the nation and on the
21:22
Speaker 4: heart of the nation. We are building this system while
21:26
Speaker 4: we are using it, and it is inadequate for its purpose.
21:29
Speaker 4: It will be massively expensive and it will be unreliable.
21:32
Speaker 4: And without that system, this nation does not function.
21:36
Speaker 2: Let's go to the massive announcement today by the acting
21:39
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, the Defense Minister, of course, Richard Miles. He
21:43
Speaker 2: has integrated three separate branches in the Defense Department into
21:48
Speaker 2: a new defense delivery agency. This reminds me when I
21:53
Speaker 2: worked in the Howard era of the Defense Minister of
21:55
Speaker 2: the old procurement arm that they established then that was
21:59
Speaker 2: scrapped many years later when it didn't work. We know
22:02
Speaker 2: there's been the blowouts, the delays and all the procure
22:04
Speaker 2: missions we talk about the most nights. Do you think
22:07
Speaker 2: this could help or is this more window dressing and
22:10
Speaker 2: spin and peter.
22:11
Speaker 4: Now you've been around for a long time too, and
22:13
Speaker 4: you will know the old maximum bureaucracy is. We're in
22:16
Speaker 4: doubt reorganized, right, So that's what we're seeing again now
22:19
Speaker 4: now to my way of counting. And there was something
22:21
Speaker 4: before that. But back in two thousand and five, because
22:24
Speaker 4: we thought the Defense wasn't delivering on procurement, we set
22:27
Speaker 4: up a prescribed agency which you call the Defense Material Deamization. Yep,
22:32
Speaker 4: we took it out of Defense and put it on
22:34
Speaker 4: its own, and guess what, twenty fifteen we decided that
22:37
Speaker 4: wasn't working, and so then we had the capability of sustainment.
22:40
Speaker 4: I can't remember the acronym now, but it's the one
22:42
Speaker 4: we're now replacing. So that's twenty fifteen. Ten years later,
22:45
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five, ten years later, we are now setting
22:49
Speaker 4: up what a standalone agency pretty much that's going to
22:52
Speaker 4: report directly to the minister. Now, I think that all
22:55
Speaker 4: this tells you that there is some deep systemic issue
22:58
Speaker 4: inside the Department of Defense that does need to be addressed,
23:01
Speaker 4: and just rearranging the deck chairs again, that won't work. Look,
23:05
Speaker 4: I know that Richard Marles is in a difficult circumstance.
23:07
Speaker 4: He's going to try and do something to make Defense
23:09
Speaker 4: do its job. But there is a deeper structural issue
23:13
Speaker 4: inside Defense that needs to be addressed.
23:16
Speaker 2: I was working for that Defense Minister twenty years ago
23:21
Speaker 2: now and then DMO came in and I feel like
23:23
Speaker 2: we're going back to the future there, Well over there, Chris,
23:26
Speaker 2: thank you. Let's move now to an important national security
23:29
Speaker 2: issue with a review currently underway by the Independent National
23:33
Speaker 2: Security Legislation Monitor, and it's a woman.
23:37
Speaker 3: She's looking at updating.
23:38
Speaker 2: The definition of terrorism as it applies to the Criminal Code. Granted,
23:43
Speaker 2: this hasn't been updated since it was enacted after September eleven,
23:47
Speaker 2: but I tell you, I was astounded to read that
23:49
Speaker 2: push at the end of last week by Muslim groups
23:52
Speaker 2: and the Australian Human Rights Commission to remove religion as
23:56
Speaker 2: a motivation for terror attacks. The Australian reports it in
23:59
Speaker 2: a joint statement from fifteen Muslim groups led by the
24:02
Speaker 2: Muslim Advocacy Network. They are calling for religion and ideology
24:09
Speaker 2: to no longer count as a motivation for terror attacks,
24:12
Speaker 2: arguing that the current laws marginalize their faith communities.
24:18
Speaker 3: Really have a look around.
24:19
Speaker 2: The world and see who's committee terrorism. Joining me now
24:23
Speaker 2: for his take on this push, Former Australian Federal Police
24:26
Speaker 2: Detective Superintendent David Craig.
24:30
Speaker 3: All right, David, away you.
24:31
Speaker 2: Go, I mean, how is not Islamic religion, fundamentalist cultish
24:39
Speaker 2: Islamic religion a big part of what happens with terror
24:43
Speaker 2: attacks here and around the world.
24:46
Speaker 12: Well, it clearly is, Peter that I was a standard
24:49
Speaker 12: to read the Australian piece today. I mean, almost every
24:55
Speaker 12: single terrorist attack in the world is based on predominantly
24:59
Speaker 12: on ideological or religious grounds. Put political to one side.
25:03
Speaker 12: But why would you remove those two consistent elements across
25:07
Speaker 12: international terrorist networks because someone feels like they're getting a stigma.
25:13
Speaker 12: It's just just absurd. The audacity of these groups is
25:16
Speaker 12: just astounding.
25:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:19
Speaker 2: I make the point that sixteen terror attacks have occurred
25:21
Speaker 2: in this country since twenty fourteen that were religiously motivated.
25:24
Speaker 2: Twelve of those were driven by Islamist violent extremism, and
25:30
Speaker 2: these are the government's official review statistics. If that's what's happening,
25:35
Speaker 2: I would rather these Muslim groups create some sort of
25:40
Speaker 2: reformation or enlightenment inside their religion and stop young people
25:46
Speaker 2: in particular being radicalized. They certainly yell allah bah when
25:50
Speaker 2: they do these crimes, these crimes against innocence. There is
25:53
Speaker 2: a religious component. Absolutely, I'd rather than put their efforts
25:57
Speaker 2: into stopping that than trying to stop us having a definition.
26:01
Speaker 3: And that's accurate.
26:03
Speaker 12: Exactly, Peter. I mean it goes to the Heartlak Tactically
26:06
Speaker 12: that these these would this would tactically frustrate policing and
26:11
Speaker 12: intelligence agencies on the ground. It would impede on the
26:15
Speaker 12: early detection of terrorist attacks and also the correction of
26:20
Speaker 12: people that are being radicalized because without a religious framework
26:25
Speaker 12: or an iological framework to follow, without these networks, without
26:30
Speaker 12: them sharing their information and their views, there's very little
26:33
Speaker 12: to predict what might happen. That's why lone wolf terror
26:36
Speaker 12: attacks are so difficult to predict. At a strategic level. Also,
26:40
Speaker 12: to remove these two elements from terrorism is would put
26:45
Speaker 12: us out of legal sinc with the rest of the
26:47
Speaker 12: developed world. That would have impact upon our extraditions, that
26:51
Speaker 12: would have impact on doing joint in national investigations if
26:54
Speaker 12: the definition of terrorism wasn't consistent, but also effects vaguely,
27:01
Speaker 12: very much effects the sharing of intelligence because we suddenly
27:04
Speaker 12: won't be looking at any of this and that will
27:07
Speaker 12: leave us exposed on a national security front.
27:11
Speaker 2: I suspect you in an operational sense, for the AFP
27:14
Speaker 2: officers that are undercover that infiltrate a lot of these organizations,
27:18
Speaker 2: and it's not just Islamic organizations, but anywhere with a
27:21
Speaker 2: fear there could be terror attacks being worked up or
27:29
Speaker 2: violent crime being worked up. It might make it difficult
27:33
Speaker 2: for the powers to be in Canberra to sign off
27:36
Speaker 2: on some of these undercover operations if you can't use
27:44
Speaker 2: sort of the infiltration of a religious cohort or in
27:48
Speaker 2: this case, Islamic community, let's say, as a way to
27:52
Speaker 2: start gathering information to see whether or not there is
27:55
Speaker 2: what they're hearing around the edges occurring in no suburbs
27:58
Speaker 2: of Sydney or suburbs of Melbourne. I mean, operationally, if
28:02
Speaker 2: you lose this definition, I suspect that's going to make
28:05
Speaker 2: it harder for the AFP, make it a lot.
28:09
Speaker 12: Harder and a lot harder for all intelligence agencies because
28:12
Speaker 12: that definition of religious or ideological. Once they're outside that framework,
28:17
Speaker 12: we can no longer target based on that element. And
28:20
Speaker 12: this is the earliest sign, the most consistent sign of
28:24
Speaker 12: a predicting a terrorist attack is an idological or religious
28:28
Speaker 12: motivated group or network that are building up doing something.
28:33
Speaker 12: We remove that from the focus of intelligence and law enforcement,
28:37
Speaker 12: we're going to be very exposed better.
28:40
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. Thank you for the honesty. Thank you, David. Right,
28:44
Speaker 2: quick break after the break. The dire warnings of economic
28:47
Speaker 2: headwinds ahead. Looks like labor's bearing its head in the sand.
28:50
Speaker 3: We'll get to that though.
28:52
Speaker 2: And what about the chance that not just cutting rates
28:55
Speaker 2: is off the table, but the RBA might actually look
28:57
Speaker 2: to increase them. Welcome back still the cawn, the Vashetti
29:04
Speaker 2: amnesty in it today in Victoria, big finds on the way,
29:08
Speaker 2: Really though, have the good people just handed in their
29:11
Speaker 2: machetes and they're left now with the criminals holding the knives?
29:15
Speaker 3: I suspect that's the case. It's got some other issues.
29:18
Speaker 2: So we will come back to that with Charlie Vassina,
29:20
Speaker 2: of course former Vic Pohl detective, but on the weekend,
29:23
Speaker 2: executive director of the Center for Independent Studies. Michael Stutchbury
29:27
Speaker 2: how the peace in The Australian, warning that the nation's economy,
29:29
Speaker 2: he says, is in a slow race to ruin in it.
29:33
Speaker 2: He argue that Labour needs to listen to outsiders such
29:35
Speaker 2: as the New A and Z boss Nuno Matsos, who
29:39
Speaker 2: just last week described our economic growth as average to medium,
29:43
Speaker 2: which was a far cry from the spin we hear
29:45
Speaker 2: from the treasurer at Jim Chalmers. The pleased to say
29:48
Speaker 2: Michael Strutchbury joins me. Now, you know, Michael, I'm really
29:52
Speaker 2: thrilled to have you on the show because we don't
29:54
Speaker 2: talk enough about the economy anymore. We did in the
29:57
Speaker 2: Hawk and Keeting era, and we certainly did in the
29:59
Speaker 2: Howard Stello era. It seems to have dropped away and
30:03
Speaker 2: you've got I hate to say it to liberals as well,
30:05
Speaker 2: but both of the major parties becoming parties of big government,
30:09
Speaker 2: big spending, too afraid to take things off people. Why
30:14
Speaker 2: is everyone around the world looking at us in an
30:16
Speaker 2: investment term and saying Australia is now just an average economy.
30:21
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Australia is, as Nunomatos, the New An
30:24
Speaker 8: said Chief executive put Australia is a safe place to
30:28
Speaker 8: put your money. We've got a lot of advantages Australia
30:31
Speaker 8: as we've got I've just listed them down here on
30:33
Speaker 8: my notepad. We've got exceptional mineral resources. We've got a
30:37
Speaker 8: world leading ranking universities. We're in a good spot in
30:40
Speaker 8: the Asia Pacific. We've got a stable banking system, we've
30:44
Speaker 8: got good political and economic institutions by and large, but
30:48
Speaker 8: we're really now a bit trapped. And the other outsider,
30:52
Speaker 8: the English born Deputy Governor of the Preserved Bank, Andrew Howser,
30:56
Speaker 8: has put this as well. The economy is just not
30:59
Speaker 8: performing on the supply side. It's struggling to produce the
31:03
Speaker 8: growth in goods and services each year. And were Astralia
31:06
Speaker 8: used to grow it around about three or four percent
31:08
Speaker 8: a year was a good growth. We should be relatively
31:11
Speaker 8: fast growing an economy, a frontier economy where money flows
31:16
Speaker 8: to attracted to our really high quality investment opportunities. Instead,
31:20
Speaker 8: according to the Reserve Bank's own estimates, because of our
31:24
Speaker 8: low productivity growth and productivity is now stuck at twenty
31:28
Speaker 8: sixteen levels, we can only really grow by about two
31:31
Speaker 8: percent a year in real terms. Until the economy runs
31:34
Speaker 8: into capacity constraints and that produces inflation and the Reserve
31:39
Speaker 8: Bank has to chop as to choke it off. So
31:42
Speaker 8: we're not really a fast growth economy and so global
31:45
Speaker 8: investors don't see us as a fast growth economy, which
31:49
Speaker 8: I think we should be.
31:51
Speaker 2: All right, Well, talk to me about productivity because we
31:53
Speaker 2: throw around that term all the time on TV, and
31:55
Speaker 2: the media love to talk about the politicians too, But
31:57
Speaker 2: I don't think the punter out there any real understanding
32:01
Speaker 2: of what productivity is beyond a buzzword. On that point
32:06
Speaker 2: on productivity isn't also part of the problem for our
32:09
Speaker 2: businesses in this country, Michael. We used to be an
32:13
Speaker 2: economy that held its own because our power is cheap.
32:16
Speaker 2: Two major inputs into manufacturing, power and labor. Our labor
32:20
Speaker 2: costs are high, they always have been in Australia. We're
32:23
Speaker 2: not necessarily competitive in our region and we're not going
32:26
Speaker 2: to start cutting the pay of Australians. So if we
32:30
Speaker 2: haven't got energy as the offset to our high wages,
32:33
Speaker 2: if that's now high according to our region, we've got
32:37
Speaker 2: no competitive advantage anymore. So how do we deal with
32:40
Speaker 2: productivity and how interlinked is energy into the mess we're in.
32:46
Speaker 8: I think that's a critical point Peter, that Australia traditionally
32:50
Speaker 8: has been a cheap energy economy. We've had an advantage
32:54
Speaker 8: that and traditionally it has been coal fired power, and
32:59
Speaker 8: that's cheap coal fired power in the sixties and seventies
33:04
Speaker 8: and eighties attracted especially when we had the oil shocks
33:07
Speaker 8: of the nineteen seventies where energy around the world was
33:10
Speaker 8: expensive and we had the cheap power that attracted capital
33:14
Speaker 8: here to put up to build these aluminium and copper
33:17
Speaker 8: and nickel smelters which are now becoming uncompetitive, and that
33:21
Speaker 8: cheap power advantage enabled us to sustain a high wage
33:26
Speaker 8: economy and a high wage cost economy. Now we're finding
33:29
Speaker 8: that as well as losing our cheap power advantage, even
33:32
Speaker 8: if it just becomes around the average of the SA
33:36
Speaker 8: DOECD nations, we're running up against what we have is
33:40
Speaker 8: a very unusual labor market regulation in Australia. The whole
33:44
Speaker 8: regulation of our workforce is the awards system is very
33:48
Speaker 8: unusual by global standards, and we're actually reregulating the labor
33:52
Speaker 8: market now with what labour's doing to really reward the
33:55
Speaker 8: trade unions now that's probably setting. That's one of the
33:58
Speaker 8: reasons in which we're struggling to get our productivity up
34:01
Speaker 8: and going. It's not the only reason, but it means
34:03
Speaker 8: that we're compounding our loss of a cheap energy advantage
34:06
Speaker 8: by making probably our regulation of a labor market disadvantage
34:11
Speaker 8: a bit worse.
34:13
Speaker 2: Only a couple of months, we're talking about further cuts
34:16
Speaker 2: from the RBA. Now, with that spike in inflation last week,
34:19
Speaker 2: you know, heading was at three point eight heading close
34:21
Speaker 2: to the fore in danger territory. Obviously, there's now a
34:25
Speaker 2: talk that rates might well be.
34:27
Speaker 3: Increased next year, god forbid.
34:28
Speaker 2: But we're already seeing some of the lenders set their
34:30
Speaker 2: fixed rates, spiking them a little bit too. Give me
34:34
Speaker 2: your take on what we found out last week in
34:36
Speaker 2: terms of inflation and how that's going to roll through
34:38
Speaker 2: the system.
34:40
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that this has been a real alarm.
34:43
Speaker 8: Bells have gone off, presumably at the Reserve Bank and
34:46
Speaker 8: elsewhere that the inflation number last week, the three point
34:50
Speaker 8: eight percent above well above the reserve banks band. You know,
34:54
Speaker 8: it may sort of come down a bit, but the
34:56
Speaker 8: Reserve Bank is now finding it very difficult to get
34:59
Speaker 8: into the middle point of its band, and that's really
35:02
Speaker 8: because of the supply side problems. The economy is struggling
35:05
Speaker 8: to produce more. We've got the problems of loss of
35:08
Speaker 8: our cheap energy advantage. We've got government expanding too much
35:12
Speaker 8: with the care economy and that's a low productivity part
35:15
Speaker 8: of the economy and that's crowding out the more productive
35:18
Speaker 8: parts of the economy. We've got an unreformed tax system
35:21
Speaker 8: with a high company tax rate and very high personal
35:25
Speaker 8: income tax rates forty seven percent, which means that top
35:28
Speaker 8: talent in Australia is going to produce for the world market.
35:31
Speaker 8: They're tempted to go overseas as well, So that means
35:34
Speaker 8: that the Reserve Bank's got to keep a lid on
35:36
Speaker 8: overall spending on the economy. That can't allow it to
35:39
Speaker 8: grow much because it just runs into supply side restraints constraints,
35:44
Speaker 8: and that puts inflation up. So that's probably meaning that,
35:48
Speaker 8: you know, things can change, but it's probably meaning that
35:50
Speaker 8: it's keeping rates on hold now, certainly through into twenty
35:54
Speaker 8: twenty six, and there is a chance that it does
35:56
Speaker 8: need to tighten monetary policy a bit to try and
36:00
Speaker 8: get inflation down to the midpoint of its band again.
36:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said at the top of the show.
36:06
Speaker 2: As bad as things might be at the moment, they
36:08
Speaker 2: can always get worse. It feels like we're heading that way.
36:10
Speaker 2: I hope I'm wrong. Michael Stoutchbury, thank you much for
36:13
Speaker 2: the great Victoria's machete amnesty.
36:16
Speaker 3: Victoria has ended, but.
36:18
Speaker 2: It's cost the taxpayer about fourteen hundred dollars per machete.
36:23
Speaker 2: After the brag, Charlie Bessina, the police detective, joins me, Well,
36:31
Speaker 2: the back the cranking moderates, the left wing liberals, not
36:34
Speaker 2: happy that they've lost out on zero and now apparently
36:38
Speaker 2: drawing hard lines on the immigration debate, will suitly roll
36:42
Speaker 2: over to them or not.
36:43
Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a moment. The first two
36:45
Speaker 3: the end today.
36:46
Speaker 2: Victoria's machete amnesty penalty is now in place for anyone
36:49
Speaker 2: who breaches the laws. Premier just sent to Allen was
36:53
Speaker 2: out this morning and challenged on the success of her program.
36:58
Speaker 9: So if you only collected nine thousand, that's fourteen hundred
37:00
Speaker 9: and forty four dollars per machete. I mean that's a
37:03
Speaker 9: very expensive program.
37:05
Speaker 10: Well, no, Tom, you know those numbers are not correct.
37:09
Speaker 4: You know that no, I don't.
37:10
Speaker 9: I mean, I know across thirteen meal and you said
37:12
Speaker 9: nine thousand. So I've divided away into the.
37:14
Speaker 2: Investment that the investment in getting dangerous weapons off our
37:17
Speaker 2: streets is important. Yes, shregons, we've got the dangerous machetes
37:22
Speaker 2: off the street. Well, no machete is dangerous. They're dangerous
37:25
Speaker 2: in the hands of the people who want to do
37:27
Speaker 2: harm with them. And I fear for fourteen hundred dollars
37:30
Speaker 2: per machete. All we've done is taking the machete off
37:34
Speaker 2: you know, someone like my mum who puts it to
37:36
Speaker 2: use in the garden whacking away and not the criminals
37:40
Speaker 2: very much.
37:40
Speaker 13: Soon tradees and the likes, And it's very similar to
37:44
Speaker 13: the gun MC nineteen ninety six after Port Arthur. Look
37:47
Speaker 13: where we are currently with the firearms a plethor on
37:50
Speaker 13: our streets. We can't get control of it. So they've
37:52
Speaker 13: taken away from the honest people and these meadheads. I've
37:55
Speaker 13: been dealing with meadheads for thirty eight years. They're not
37:58
Speaker 13: going to say, oh, we're going to get a forty
37:59
Speaker 13: this forty seven thousand dollars fine or up to two
38:02
Speaker 13: years imprisonment. Where we want to be is if Jacina's
38:05
Speaker 13: feared incam in what she's saying, you've got to either
38:07
Speaker 13: mandate and say you know what, you'll call with the
38:09
Speaker 13: machete in now twelve months in the bin, that's where
38:11
Speaker 13: you've got to be. And the other ones will say
38:13
Speaker 13: we're going to do twelve months, but we're not going
38:15
Speaker 13: to be there. Then she goes on, we've given the
38:17
Speaker 13: police the powers. Now you haven't the police? What powers
38:20
Speaker 13: the Jack Law from Queensland. We keep on and on,
38:23
Speaker 13: keep police the powers. It's great to see Chief commission
38:27
Speaker 13: and Bush come out recently this week or last week
38:30
Speaker 13: making declared areas for six months. He is the first
38:33
Speaker 13: Chief Commissioner has been able to do that has been
38:35
Speaker 13: in place since it was enacted six months. He's the
38:38
Speaker 13: first Chief Commissioner to say, you know what, for six
38:40
Speaker 13: months in the CBD and South Bank is going to
38:43
Speaker 13: be police can sert you and without just cause. That's
38:47
Speaker 13: tough policing and I think Bush is on the right trail.
38:50
Speaker 2: And of course if he had Jack's Law, he would
38:53
Speaker 2: be able to do that anywhere across the state without
38:55
Speaker 2: having to declare a perman area.
38:57
Speaker 13: And when absolutely sicken me to to read about the
39:01
Speaker 13: civil libertarians come out and other ones s cruticiz, Oh,
39:05
Speaker 13: well they're going to abuse it.
39:07
Speaker 6: People going to the tennis.
39:08
Speaker 13: What an imbecile of a question answer to say that, oh,
39:12
Speaker 13: the police are going to stop you under the tennis
39:14
Speaker 13: of the football. So a husband and wife with a child,
39:17
Speaker 13: they're going to be stopped by the police. It's a nonsense.
39:19
Speaker 13: The police is still going to be accountable and they're
39:22
Speaker 13: going to pick okay, racial vilification, this type of stuff.
39:25
Speaker 6: No, well, they're the ones coming in crime.
39:27
Speaker 13: They just say, oh, well it's a mix of a
39:29
Speaker 13: racial people involved in it. Well, they're the ones that
39:32
Speaker 13: are going to target, you know, as a copper. You
39:34
Speaker 13: know in your guts, what are these group of bucks
39:38
Speaker 13: standing there for no reason? Move on pounds, they haven't
39:41
Speaker 13: got it, you know what, Let's target them. They said, Oh,
39:43
Speaker 13: in the last time, when they had those panels, over
39:45
Speaker 13: the period of years, they were able to stop I
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Speaker 13: think two hundred and fifty, let's two hundred and fifty offenses.
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Speaker 13: They were approactively stopped by doing that. That's where we've
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Speaker 13: got to be. And it's all retoric that this government's
39:55
Speaker 13: coming up with and saying, oh, the machete law has
39:58
Speaker 13: been great, let's see what happens penalty and will still
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Speaker 13: be getting to this day, we're still getting mashety attacks.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a bit like her bail laws looking
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Speaker 2: tough on bow laws recently talking about these maximum penalty.
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Speaker 2: You can have whatever maximum penalty you like. You have
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Speaker 2: life for murder, but you rarely ever see anyone truly
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Speaker 2: get life anymore. I'd be just more interested in minimums,
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Speaker 2: real minimums, fairingcan minimum that actually got levied on somebody
40:24
Speaker 2: that if they were told they're going to have twenty
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Speaker 2: years in jail, they really meant they had twenty years
40:27
Speaker 2: in jail.
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Speaker 6: Well, look at what she said.
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Speaker 13: Now, Ultimately, the Children's Court Magistrates Court have a limit
40:32
Speaker 13: of three years maximum that can send someone to jail.
40:36
Speaker 13: Aggravated carjackings and home invasions carry twenty five years imprisonment
40:40
Speaker 13: and mandated three years mandated. Now, the Children's Court and
40:44
Speaker 13: the Magistrates Court have not sentenced one as far as
40:47
Speaker 13: I know, not one to three years imprisonment. So the
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Speaker 13: canny court ain't going to do that. She can come
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Speaker 13: out and say, well, I'm going to tell judges to
40:53
Speaker 13: do that. You reckon the judges are going to take notice.
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Speaker 6: They are by.
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Speaker 13: Law have to implement the law as they're lawfully allowed
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Speaker 13: to do in relation to penalty unless they mandated and
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Speaker 13: they make the laws of government. But that's where you've
41:08
Speaker 13: got to beat mandate and say to judges three years
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Speaker 13: or you'll caught with the mahidy in Now you're going
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Speaker 13: to do twelve months mandated and that's going to send
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Speaker 13: the message that we want had to keep us safe.
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Speaker 2: All right, Totally about boy in the gold Mine, you
41:20
Speaker 2: and I had a lot to do with Dedite on
41:22
Speaker 2: Levy and that brilliant podcast. As we know, the brother
41:26
Speaker 2: of the boy that's disappeared is getting very close to
41:29
Speaker 2: the bottom of the gold mine and this has been
41:32
Speaker 2: a labor of love for his brother to get this far,
41:35
Speaker 2: a huge personal financial cost to himself and others. He
41:39
Speaker 2: was promised some funding, I'm told by the Andrews government.
41:43
Speaker 2: We're not talking about a lot of money here to
41:46
Speaker 2: get to the bottom. If he finds his brother's body
41:49
Speaker 2: and potentially can bring down a pedophile ring because that's
41:52
Speaker 2: what we think was operating in this area, and we
41:56
Speaker 2: know that some of the individuals who have been alleged
41:58
Speaker 2: to be involved in some way.
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Speaker 3: Us still alive. Surely we should do that as Victorians.
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Speaker 6: We very much so.
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Speaker 13: Now I've been with Daryl for since twenty eleven, investigating
42:10
Speaker 13: it with him. We've identified a potential suspect. The police
42:14
Speaker 13: are there doing We'll have daily contact with the missing
42:16
Speaker 13: Person's unit. Now, ultimately he's been used.
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Speaker 2: Let's underscore that you are a former police detective and
42:22
Speaker 2: you're basically putting the brief together, doing all the leg
42:25
Speaker 2: work for them, landing it on their desks, and you
42:28
Speaker 2: need a little bit more money to dig the bottom
42:30
Speaker 2: of the whole lap.
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Speaker 6: And let's take a comparison with Samantha Murphy.
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Speaker 13: Sure, they've come out last week the police and said
42:38
Speaker 13: we will continue our search for Samantha Murphy. What information
42:41
Speaker 13: they're going on to They've been here, they've been there,
42:43
Speaker 13: They've been everywhere. Yet here we have a situation where
42:46
Speaker 13: we've got credible evidence in this mind shaft, the necklace,
42:50
Speaker 13: shoe size, similar clothing prestade from his Miller shirt, credible
42:54
Speaker 13: information to suggest that his remains are in this mind shaft,
42:58
Speaker 13: given the location of where he was last But all
43:01
Speaker 13: the attempts we've written to Carbines through Daryl. We've written
43:04
Speaker 13: to the Premier and it falls on deaf ears. Now
43:06
Speaker 13: he have a police minister Carbines having spent hundreds of thousands.
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Speaker 6: Of dollars on his golf club that he belongs to.
43:14
Speaker 13: Now if that's not a conflict of interest, he's come
43:16
Speaker 13: out and say, come and join me at the nineteenth
43:18
Speaker 13: hileh at my golf club. I've government money that he's spent.
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Speaker 13: Yet he can't spare at least one hundred thousand if
43:24
Speaker 13: it is going to be that to get to the bottom.
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Speaker 13: Daryl won't walk away from this. The government owe him.
43:29
Speaker 13: And Daniel Andrews came out and he's written, I don't
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Speaker 13: worry about a cert delp. We will do it as
43:35
Speaker 13: a government. You just look continue to look up for
43:38
Speaker 13: the remains. But everyone throws it back onto the police.
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Speaker 3: We've got to keep the pressure on absolutely. Thank you Charlie.
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Speaker 3: There you go.
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Speaker 2: If you can send an email to Carbines, Anthony Carbines,
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Speaker 2: a police minister in Victoria, all the Premier knock yourself out.
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Speaker 3: We want to keep the pressure.
43:52
Speaker 2: On this wonderful, wonderful boy man now who was searching
43:56
Speaker 2: for his brother right coming out. We've got a panel
43:59
Speaker 2: We're going to look at that immigration issue and what's
44:01
Speaker 2: happening there with the federal liberals in a month. All right,
44:08
Speaker 2: let's go straight to the anti immigration rally on the
44:10
Speaker 2: weekend where One Nation leader Pauline Hansen, as I be
44:14
Speaker 2: aside from being heckled by some counter protesters, was praise
44:18
Speaker 2: for her political positioning on the matter. Critics so have
44:21
Speaker 2: warned that Hanson's theatrics will ensure the party remains one
44:24
Speaker 2: of protests rather than a party on the path at
44:27
Speaker 2: the government, and that newly minted independent Barnaby Joyce risk
44:31
Speaker 2: political irrelevance if he joins her he talks through some
44:34
Speaker 2: of the issues. Senior fellow at the Menzies Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick Cater and Paige Research CEO Jared Holland, gents, welcome Nick.
44:43
Speaker 2: What's happening here around the edges of Pauline Hansen here
44:47
Speaker 2: to one side of Whistley and her long standing push
44:50
Speaker 2: against the high rate of immigration, there are some moderates,
44:54
Speaker 2: some left wing liberals who saying, look, we had to
44:56
Speaker 2: roll over and then zero.
44:58
Speaker 3: We don't like that, and if where to do.
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Speaker 2: Anything about cutting immigration, over my dead body, where do
45:05
Speaker 2: you think this is headed?
45:08
Speaker 7: Well, I think I know where it has to head
45:10
Speaker 7: if the Liberal Party want to be faintly electable at
45:13
Speaker 7: the next election, and that has to be a strong
45:16
Speaker 7: focus on numbers number one and then the character of
45:20
Speaker 7: migrants number two. I got the impression Susan Lee is
45:23
Speaker 7: going towards that point from her interview yesterday on Sky.
45:27
Speaker 7: She's talking about cutting numbers where she has to. And
45:30
Speaker 7: it's not just the announced numbers, of course, it's things
45:33
Speaker 7: like student visas, graduate visas, family reunion visas, all these
45:38
Speaker 7: ones that just bloat out the numbers.
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Speaker 6: She has to do that.
45:41
Speaker 7: But also as she's talking about stronger character tests, stronger
45:46
Speaker 7: citizenship tests, obviously we need those. Pauline Hanson is not helping. Incidentally,
45:50
Speaker 7: I don't think with that Burker stunt last week, the
45:54
Speaker 7: Burker is not the main issue for most people. For
45:57
Speaker 7: most people in Australia electives right now of numbers, which
46:01
Speaker 7: means they can't find houses, everything becomes more expensive, things
46:05
Speaker 7: are more difficult because of that.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, it's not the main issueic and
46:12
Speaker 2: it certainly was a stunt. I'm not saying it wasn't
46:14
Speaker 2: a stunt. The Senate is full of stunts. But I
46:17
Speaker 2: do think it is a totemic issue for people, because
46:20
Speaker 2: just like men in women's bathrooms, it's not the blokes
46:23
Speaker 2: who are under siege for women going into your bathrooms.
46:26
Speaker 2: Women look at the Burker and see dehumanization, a loss
46:31
Speaker 2: of rights for women, and it creeps into societies. And
46:34
Speaker 2: you don't need to go to the Middle East to
46:35
Speaker 2: see it, because it's mostly banned in a lot of
46:37
Speaker 2: Middle Eastern countries. You see it on the streets of
46:40
Speaker 2: London and you see a change in your society. So
46:43
Speaker 2: your point there about not just the numbers of people coming,
46:46
Speaker 2: but the culture changes that we are importing. I think
46:49
Speaker 2: the Burkers speaks to that culture change, and the fact
46:53
Speaker 2: that we couldn't even have a debate about it in
46:55
Speaker 2: our parliament yet a month ago in Portugal they did
46:58
Speaker 2: and they banned it says that something's pretty rotten in camera.
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Speaker 7: You're right, you're right, Peter, that is an issue. It's
47:07
Speaker 7: an important issue. But this is a question of strategy
47:09
Speaker 7: and you'd know that better than anybody, having won a
47:12
Speaker 7: Landskide election along with Tony Abbott. It's which he'll you
47:16
Speaker 7: fight on at which time, And I just know that
47:19
Speaker 7: Whilst some people are very energized on this issue, a
47:22
Speaker 7: lot of others find it very let me frankly insulting.
47:25
Speaker 7: I was speaking to somebody in the Muslim community today,
47:29
Speaker 7: is a very good fellow, he's a top folk, and
47:31
Speaker 7: he says it just stereotypes Muslims. It makes it look
47:35
Speaker 7: hostile to us. So why do you go there? Everybody
47:39
Speaker 7: in Australia, wherever they come from, or certainly in Sydney,
47:42
Speaker 7: is concerned about house prizes and the effect on that
47:44
Speaker 7: of migrants right now. That is an issue which unifies
47:47
Speaker 7: the population.
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Speaker 3: I know what the problem is.
47:49
Speaker 2: You've got the Muslim sixteen Organization sixteen was an organizations
47:53
Speaker 2: wing to change the definition of terror attack to take
47:57
Speaker 2: out any reference to Islamic law now or Islamic ideology
48:01
Speaker 2: or Islamic religion in any way, shape or form. I'll
48:04
Speaker 2: bring you in, Jared on this because I think you
48:06
Speaker 2: know great that there's a good Muslim saying this stereotypis
48:09
Speaker 2: and I don't like it. Well, first of all, he's
48:11
Speaker 2: not going to have to wear a burker. But secondly,
48:13
Speaker 2: we need the good Muslims Nick to speak up loudly
48:16
Speaker 2: and more often and not allow their religion to be
48:20
Speaker 2: dominated by the various organizations and the crazy mms in
48:24
Speaker 2: these mosques on Friday to spread their hate. We need
48:28
Speaker 2: more of the good Muslims to say join the team
48:30
Speaker 2: or get out of Australian Jared Well, I.
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Speaker 10: Agree with Nick that numbers is probably the main issue
48:37
Speaker 10: right now. But to your point, Peter, we have to
48:39
Speaker 10: be able to talk about cultural fit. The idea that
48:41
Speaker 10: we are just interchangeable economic units and it doesn't matter
48:45
Speaker 10: where we come from. You come to Australia, within six
48:47
Speaker 10: months you sort of download Australian values and you become westernized.
48:51
Speaker 10: That just doesn't bear out in reality. And when you
48:54
Speaker 10: are thinking about how do we maintain social cohesion, how
48:56
Speaker 10: do we make sure that all of our women, our children,
48:59
Speaker 10: everyone in the commu unity is held to the same standard,
49:01
Speaker 10: has the same rights to protections. You have to talk
49:04
Speaker 10: about some of these cultural issues and they're uncomfortable, but
49:07
Speaker 10: ultimately we're talking about the future of our country, the
49:11
Speaker 10: character of our nation, and if we can't have that
49:13
Speaker 10: conversation in somewhere like the Senate or even on a
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Speaker 10: program like this, then.
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Speaker 12: Heaven help us.
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Speaker 10: If that is left out into the streets to be
49:20
Speaker 10: sorted out. And I think this is when you look
49:21
Speaker 10: at Western nations around the world and this real surge
49:24
Speaker 10: in populism. I think it's because elites and those who
49:27
Speaker 10: have the kind of platforms that we enjoy, they haven't
49:30
Speaker 10: been willing to have this conversation and I think we
49:32
Speaker 10: need to start it. I think it's something Australians do
49:35
Speaker 10: want to talk about. They do want to talk about, well,
49:37
Speaker 10: what makes in Australian? Is it just a passport or
49:40
Speaker 10: is there something deeper there that we haven't really been
49:42
Speaker 10: able to articulate that. I think we might need to
49:45
Speaker 10: start beginning to articulate and talk about again.
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Speaker 2: Thank you gentlemen. I have to leave it there. Andrew
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Speaker 2: is raring
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Speaker 3: To go see you're both next week is Andrew Bill