Latest / Financial Survival Network / Gold Consolidation Before Moving Higher -- David Erfle #5820
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- 0:00Yeah, Well, if you're talking about the gold price and gold stocks,
- 0:03which is my area of expertise, I think the gold price has more consolidation
- 0:07to do here. I could see it easily going down to you know,
- 0:12in nineteen hundred level. It's trying to bottom here at nineteen fifty where there's
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- 0:49your host, Carrie lets our good friend David Earthley. It's with us from
- 0:53Junior, my minor junkie dot com and the Hey, David, like,
- 1:00price of the metals is doing good, but the price of the stock not
- 1:04so good. What gives well, it all depends on your point of view,
- 1:08right um. You know we had the gold price go up over four
- 1:15hundred and fifty dollars and six months from a triple bottom of sixteen twenty after
- 1:22a false breakdown, you know, it's it's funny. Um. During this
- 1:26consolidation, both bulls and bears alike have been supremely frustrated. So but the
- 1:34gold stocks, you know, after the after the gold price went up so
- 1:38much, gold stocks went up sixty five percent from their loans that the GDXJ
- 1:42and the GX you know, which is two times leverage basically because the gold
- 1:48price went up over thirty percent in six months and the gold stocks went up
- 1:52sixty five percent in those six months. So consolidation time for both of those
- 1:57moves. That's that's to be expected. But the juniors, you know,
- 2:00they continue to lack um, you know, which is also their history.
- 2:05And when you have an accumulative bottoming process, it's always the majors and the
- 2:10royalty streaming plays that that do the best coming out of them, and then
- 2:15eventually it trickles down to the juniors, and that happened hasn't happened yet.
- 2:19You know, There's been select cases where some juniors have done well, but
- 2:23on the whole, juniors continue to lack um. They continue to be very
- 2:30very reasonably priced. I should you know, I should say they're they're ridiculously
- 2:37priced because you know, most of these juniors they're training at at below forty
- 2:43dollars announced in the ground. You know, they've they've proved up these multi
- 2:46million ounced deposits and um, they're showing blue sky potential and they're showing the
- 2:53majors. Hey, we've got these big deposits, we've de risked them up
- 2:55to a certain point, and we're still able to raise money. The quality
- 3:00come to the quality. Juniors that are D risking quality projects are still able
- 3:06to raise money. Um, but it's it's the it's smaller juniors that are
- 3:10lower on the totem pole in the in the d risking phase. Some of
- 3:15them are having a hard time raising money and they're having to give away a
- 3:17full warrant at a lower price than they expected to raise money. And it's
- 3:22really hit their if their share price is hard and you know, the games
- 3:25that are that continue to be played on Base Street, UM, you know
- 3:30exacerbate this fact. You know, Um, if if you if funds hear
- 3:35about a company that that is going to be raising money, you know they
- 3:39can manipulate the stock lower and um, you know these games will continue to
- 3:46be played here. They wouldn't do that, would they. You know what,
- 3:52in in bullmarkets you have you know, um retail money come in and
- 3:57stop up the access. When that happens, they an opportunity. But for
- 4:00the past decade, basically we've been trading amongst ourselves. The generalist investor,
- 4:09the retail investor hasn't been in this sector. They left in twenty thirteen when
- 4:14the gold price broke down after the last bull market, and they yet to
- 4:16return. So it makes it more difficult for us because we're trading against these
- 4:23these really intelligence skilled resource investors who know all these games, and they also
- 4:30know about when if they take a look at a company and they say,
- 4:35okay, this company has just released great results, right, but they're going
- 4:40to use that press release of great results as a liquidity event to sell the
- 4:46stock if the company isn't cashed up for the next year or so, because
- 4:51they see that Okay, they've they've they've put out these great results, but
- 4:56they're going to need some more money pretty soon. So we're gonna wait for
- 5:01the finance and get into the stock a lot cheaper at at a lower price
- 5:08and probably get at least a half warrant or even a full warrant at the
- 5:12same time. So these you know, this is going to continue until the
- 5:15gold price as a solid floor at two thousand dollars an ounce, and we're
- 5:19just not ready to have that take place yet. And a signal of that
- 5:26will be a monthly close above two hundred. We almost had it last month.
- 5:30The gold price closed I think eighty cents below two thousand dollars. And
- 5:35once we have a monthly close above two thousand, I think then a floor
- 5:41will start to be built in two thousand. But we need a monthly close
- 5:44above twenty one hundred to signify a breakout in the gold price. Hey,
- 5:49these operators will even sell the company's stock short when they have that momentous press
- 5:56release, keep it down, keep it muted, and then they buy in
- 6:00at the private placement, which will be depressed. The offering is going to
- 6:05be at a depressed price. They've got a locked in profit and free warrants.
- 6:10And then when they hold periods over for the warrants, if there is
- 6:14a whole period rather for the shares, they dumped the shares and hold the
- 6:19warrants right right. It's it's even happening to companies that don't need money and
- 6:26don't need to finance. Um I had recently a CEO tell me, I
- 6:30have a company that I've been in, I've been invested in for for a
- 6:34year or so, you know, accumulating shares and um I saw a huge
- 6:40volume in the stock after a very positive press release drill results come out,
- 6:45and um he told me that yes, that was a fund using the excess
- 6:50liquidity to to sell some to unload a position. But the next day the
- 6:58stock went down feen percent on no volume, and I so, I'm I'm
- 7:02so, I inquired and will know what happened there. He basically said,
- 7:08um uh a bank came to us with uh a charity flow through deal that
- 7:15we didn't need and that we didn't want, but they shopped it so hard
- 7:18the market got ahold of it and figured that they were going to be raising
- 7:21money. So they showed at the stock and you know, in an illiquid
- 7:26market, got the got the share price down really low, and it's and
- 7:30a share price is still down there even though they don't need money. They've
- 7:32got thirty five million in the treasury, fully financed until the end of next
- 7:36year, even if they wanted to, and they've got multimillions of ounces in
- 7:42the ground in a top tier jurisdiction. You know, they're doing all the
- 7:46right things. They're raising money at the right times, de risking the project
- 7:48jack and things like this happened. So when things like this happened and there's
- 7:53no retail around to come in and say, look, wow, look at
- 7:56this company. Look at this. This stock is down fifteen percent on no
- 7:59news. This is an opportunity. When that, when that money is not
- 8:01there seeing that, then the stock continues to wallow lower. I mean,
- 8:07if you look at the volume on the TSX venture, volume hasn't been this
- 8:11low on the venture exchange since the gold price was trading below three hundred dollars
- 8:16and ounced twenty years ago. There's nobody cares about the center right now.
- 8:22It's incredible the opportunity. You just have to you can't use margin and you
- 8:26have to be investing cash that you don't need right now that eventually the gold
- 8:31price is going to break out and eventually, you know, these generalist investors
- 8:37will come back. It's just not yet. The timing's not riking, all
- 8:39right. So another dude, but look at the price as silver, how
- 8:48strong that has been until recently. Yeah, it's it's amazing. Yeah,
- 8:52I mean, you had you had that help, You had that four hundred
- 8:54and fifty dollars move in the gold price right in six months. That needs
- 8:58to consolidate. And the hint that the consolidate was going to call consolidation was
- 9:03going to come was the silver price suddenly showing strong relative weakness to the gold
- 9:09price along with the miners. That was a hint that that was going to
- 9:11happen. And that started the Monday after the Federal Reserve came out and hinted
- 9:18that they that they might not be raising rates in the next meeting, which
- 9:22is in the middle of June. But then of course after after they said
- 9:26that, um, other fedheads have come out and hinted that they will be
- 9:31raising rates, and um, you know, it's it's all this FED speak
- 9:35around the the the rate hide policy you see. In the short term,
- 9:41it's it's a it's a debt ceiling complete theater. That's going to be you
- 9:45know, the catalyst for the gold price. You know, if if if
- 9:48they come out with you know, um, a resolution early, which I
- 9:52highly doubt um, then the gold price is going to get hit. But
- 9:54if they continue to play chicken, which I expect they will until you know,
- 10:00the drop dead date, which some say it's June Firth like like yelling.
- 10:03Some say it's the fifth or even ten, when they when the treasury
- 10:07runs out of money. But you know, eventually they're they're gonna they're gonna
- 10:11raise the debt ceiling. I mean, what is this dead ceiling? I
- 10:15mean it's it's not existed. Obviously it can't be. You can't have a
- 10:18debt ceiling. We have to continue to borrow and borrow and borrow to pay
- 10:24to pay money that we can't pay back. Yeah, I mean, how
- 10:28is this gonna happen here? Really? Dad? I mean yeah, everybody
- 10:31has to come out looking good like they acted for the better of the country,
- 10:37right Blue, Like oh yeah, yeah exactly, And each one thinks
- 10:41they have the upper hand. You know. It's it's so tight in Congress
- 10:45there and there's no and there's not very much bipartisanship left. I mean,
- 10:48you just have Marjorie Taylor Green issue um issue impeachment papers on the president and
- 10:54at some of his you know, some of the people so and they should
- 11:00be impeached exactly, you know, those on themselves right. Yeah, it's
- 11:05like, which crime family do you want to trust? Here? It's you
- 11:09know and that and that is dividing the country even more so, I trust
- 11:13crime families more than I crime family running the government because crime families at least
- 11:20act in the interest of self preservation, which is why they kill you.
- 11:26But these guys couldn't care less about self preservation. They're into instant gratification.
- 11:31Yes, and you know eventually they're going to raise that debt ceiling because all
- 11:35their pensions depend on it. Well, every everything depends on it, corrects
- 11:39on it. Yeah, every that depends on it. So it's like,
- 11:45if you're into self deception, then you're worried about it. If you know
- 11:50that that these guys are going to do what they have to do to keep
- 11:54the party going, then you know that the debt ceiling is completely meaningless.
- 12:00It's just a chance to try to score political points on your so called adversaries,
- 12:07right right, yeah, exactly, yes, yeah, So so now
- 12:11that the good news, now that we've solved that problem here, right,
- 12:16we've solved that problem with David. But but patients, you need to be
- 12:22patient in this market. We know what's going to happen here, right,
- 12:26I mean, well, we're between inflationary and deflationary. They keep raising rates,
- 12:33Everything crashes, everything deflates, they raise rates, everything gets higher and
- 12:37higher in price, and either in either of the scenarios, precious metals is
- 12:45going to be what's left over, right exactly, I mean picture poison.
- 12:50Yeah, I mean, they continue to raise interest rates. It brings us
- 12:54closer and closer to recession. You see, you know, you see all
- 12:58these indicators showing that a recept is going to happen. You know, um
- 13:01now a soft a soft landing is being is pretty much by the wayside.
- 13:07Now it's going to be a lot harder than they expect because they keep raising
- 13:11rates, and you know, credit continues to tighten, and the yield curve
- 13:16continues to show that that this recession is going to start pretty soon, and
- 13:22gold usually consolidates, goes lower into recessions, and then once the recession takes
- 13:28place, that's when it takes off and people start buying gold for protection.
- 13:33I mean, I mean, that's the gold is the biggest protection for for
- 13:37for recession and basically loss of faith in governments and their monetary policy, and
- 13:43people continue to lose faith. You look at these gallop poles. They're losing
- 13:48faith in the FED, They're losing faith in in the system. Um,
- 13:52they're they're they're losing faith and politicians. I want to know who had faith
- 13:58at this point? Who who are the people that had faith? Anyway?
- 14:01That's certainly not you or I right, No, it hasn't been you or
- 14:03an eye for quite some time. Are these people that still have faith in
- 14:09your government? Because I don't know who they are? Honestly, certainly nobody
- 14:16I've talked to in the past five years, at least you you know anybody?
- 14:20Or are we just in a bubble? Yes? I think we're going
- 14:24to bubble this. You know, you see a lot of people on the
- 14:28street walking around with rose colored glasses on. You know they don't. I
- 14:31don't really want to think about things like that. I've got other other problems
- 14:35on my mind and vampaign credit card bill and over fifty percent of the countries
- 14:41might have been paycheck to paycheck now nobody has any savings. And it's not
- 14:46worrying about it, right right, that's not gonna worry about it. I'm
- 14:50just gonna try to feed my family the best I can. There's nothing I
- 14:52can do about it. So I'm just going to continue to work as hard
- 14:56as I can to feed my family, try to stay at it dead.
- 14:58But that is that is getting more and more difficult with credit card and rates
- 15:03rising exponentially as the as the interest rate rises. Yeah, no, I
- 15:07couldn't agree with you more. It's just being a little facetious. But but
- 15:11let's face it. You know, the only people that have confidence in the
- 15:16government is the government itself, right right, which continues to get bigger.
- 15:22Yeah, yeah, well, no, wonder they'd have confidence, right man.
- 15:28I don't know. I don't know what we've been, what people are
- 15:31thinking. I just have no idea about Yeah, it's no, it boggles
- 15:37my mind as well. Yeah. So, and I live in California,
- 15:39so it's you know, I mean there's a lot more rules colored glass wearing
- 15:43people where I live. I think they're wearing rose colored helmets. Honestly,
- 15:50I mean it's kind of ridiculous here, but hey, ignorance got us into
- 15:56this mess, and ignorance will get us out, right, David, what
- 16:00way or another? Yes? Yeah, so I would ask where do we
- 16:03go from here? But I kind of like don't really want to hear the
- 16:08answer. Yeah, Well, if you're talking about the gold price and gold
- 16:14stocks, which is my area of expertise, Um, I think the gold
- 16:17price has more consolidation to do here. I could see it easily going down
- 16:21to you know, um in nineteen hundred level. It's trying to bottom here
- 16:26at nineteen fifty where there's some support, all right, and there's up trend
- 16:30lines aboard at nineteen twenty five. But I think nineteen hundred is probably baked
- 16:33in. But it all depends on you know, these zundress events. Ye
- 16:37say that word, right, events that that could take place. Um.
- 16:42You know, we still got a dead ceiling crisis going, we still got
- 16:45a credit crisis going. We still got ongoing war, which it doesn't look
- 16:52like it's going to end. It looks like it's going to ratchet up even
- 16:55more. Um, you know, and and war is more inflationary than anything.
- 17:00I mean, that is the most fitting Mary. Yeah, the FED
- 17:04continues to have this fantasy of of a two percent inflation rate park. So
- 17:11in the short term, the gold price is looking at the dead ceiling,
- 17:15and the intermediate term it's looking at when the FED is going to stop raising
- 17:19rates. But in the long term, it's looking at when the FED is
- 17:22going to be forced to a give up their fantasy of a two percent inflation
- 17:27rate, have to raise that and then say hey, we got to start
- 17:32cutting rates, and the market will will tell them when that's going to happen.
- 17:37Right, All right, Well, you're just a breath of fresh air
- 17:41today. But we appreciate your coming on as always. Tell us how we
- 17:47connect with you, how we subscribe to your service, why you should subscribe
- 17:52in the light of your earlier comments, why should we we should just stop
- 17:56throw that in the trash can big, because every dog has at stay.
- 18:02Not that metals are a dog, but they've been performing like a dog.
- 18:06Yeah. Well, as far as gold stocks are argancer and carry, you
- 18:10know the opportunity, it just keeps getting better and better as far as the
- 18:15gold stocks price in relation to the in relation to the gold price. The
- 18:19last time we had these low levels ut in volume twenty years ago in the
- 18:26Venture exchange, it was a buying opportunity because once the gold price broke out
- 18:30above five hundred dollars, then gold stocks really took off and the generalist investor
- 18:37came into the sector. And I think that's going to be equal to the
- 18:41gold price finally getting over two thousand dollars and two thousand becoming a floor as
- 18:45opposed to a twelve year ceiling. And will know that when the volume starts
- 18:52to come into these gold stocks, you start to see volumes spiking on updates,
- 18:56that's when you're gonna you're going to start to see general interest peak.
- 19:03I'm not peak, but general interests start to come into the sector because,
- 19:07like I said, they've been gone for ten years. So UM, this
- 19:10is a great time to be patient and accumulate and definitely don't use margin,
- 19:17especially in this sector. And um, holding the right stocks is key,
- 19:22and my service can help you do that. I mean, I've got a
- 19:25couple of stocks in my top ten that have been bifurcating from the sector.
- 19:27I think one or two of my top ten juniors are going to get taken
- 19:32over this year because I think I AM and A is going to start to
- 19:34eat up again pretty soon. So UM, a service like mine can can
- 19:40get you into the right stocks and keep you there. With the news that
- 19:45I continue to put out about the sector and about the companies, I'm in
- 19:51constant contact with all the companies that I have great relationships with that I'm invested
- 19:56in, and and I go to conferences and have live one on one meetings
- 20:00with them as well. I'm going to another one here in September, hopefully
- 20:03you'll be there as well, at the Precious Metals Summit in Colorado. Definitely.
- 20:10So UM. You know, I do my due diligence and um not
- 20:15only before I buy the stock, but after I buy the stock can stock
- 20:18continuously for myself and my subscribers. And as you know, I put my
- 20:22own money into these companies as well, So I'm not just telling you to
- 20:26buy something that I'm not invested in it, or more importantly, that I'm
- 20:30getting paid to do. So I don't get paid by any of these companies.
- 20:34Um. Basically, I run my service like I want juniors, junior
- 20:38management teams to run their companies. You know, they put their own money
- 20:41into their companies. At the companies that I invest in, they put their
- 20:45own money in and they participate in financing, so they're completely aligned with shareholders
- 20:52like I'm aligned with my subscribery. And I might add to before you make
- 20:56any trade in any of your recommendation, you give twenty four hours, so
- 21:03we gotta go David. Thanks so much anyway. The link to David sites
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- 21:17talk to you soon. Thanks Carrie. Always great pleasure talking to you