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Mother _ Son Accuse Each Other of Brutal Killing_The Murder of Lanny Horwitz _True Crime Documentary · The Mind of a Man

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  Speaker 1: Early one autumn morning in 2011, a security guard in
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  Speaker 1: the wealthy gated community of Admirals Cove responded to a
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  Speaker 1: security alarm at one of the homes in the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: The guard arrived at the residence within three minutes of dispatch. Inside,
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  Speaker 1: he found the patriarch of the family dead in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Two possible murder weapons were spotted nearby. Emerging from the
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  Speaker 1: house were two suspects. a mother and son, each with
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  Speaker 1: a motive, and each pointing the finger at the other.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed that one of them had to be the killer,
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  Speaker 1: that is, unless there was a third person who had
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  Speaker 1: somehow made a rapid escape from the scene. Hi there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Kevin, and welcome to Just Thought Lounge. Today's case
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  Speaker 1: has so many of the aspects that make for a
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  Speaker 1: head-scratching rollercoaster of a story It has romance, scandal, resentment,
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  Speaker 1: ambiguous physical evidence, and the knowledge that at least one
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  Speaker 1: of the main figures must be lying for any of
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  Speaker 1: it to make sense. Let's take a look. Admiral's Cove
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  Speaker 1: is an affluent neighborhood in Palm Beach, Florida. The waterfront
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  Speaker 1: promenade provides stunning views of the water, lined with multi-million
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  Speaker 1: dollar homes and luxury apartments. At 7 a.m. on September 30, 2011,
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  Speaker 1: Luis Garcia, a security officer, was instructed to respond to
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  Speaker 1: a home alarm in the gated community. It appeared to
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  Speaker 1: have been triggered by the system's glass break sensors. He
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  Speaker 1: arrived at the house three minutes later. Answering the door
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  Speaker 1: was 38-year-old Radley Horwitz, who appeared to be a bit dazed,
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  Speaker 1: perhaps having only just awoken. From inside the house, his mother, Donna,
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  Speaker 1: was distraught and screaming, I think he's dead. Further inside
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  Speaker 1: the house, through the master bedroom, Lewis found 66-year-old Lanny
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  Speaker 1: Horwitz collapsed in the bathroom in a bloody scene. The
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  Speaker 1: glass from the shower door had shattered behind him, leaving
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  Speaker 1: shards scattered across the floor. Lanny was bleeding from the head,
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  Speaker 1: a gun in his hand. Police and EMTs responded swiftly,
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  Speaker 1: though when they arrived, it was too late. Lanny was
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  Speaker 1: pronounced dead at the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Now, in retrospect, it could be something else, but I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: you look like shell-shocked, awake, like you just crawled out
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  Speaker 2: of bed, literally just crawled out of bed.
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  Speaker 3: So.
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  Speaker 2: He's not in pajamas, but he's in clothes, and he
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  Speaker 2: looks droggy or dazed as if he just got out
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  Speaker 2: of bed.
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  Speaker 4: So I said to him, what's going on? We're here
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  Speaker 4: for an alarm.
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  Speaker 5: He goes, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: And he said, my mom is screaming. I said, okay,
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  Speaker 4: why is your mom screaming?
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  Speaker 5: He goes, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I said, is there anybody else in the house? Who
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  Speaker 4: is in the house?
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  Speaker 5: Just you two? He goes, my father.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, are there any weapons or guns inside
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  Speaker 4: the house?
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  Speaker 2: Does he have a gun? He said, yes, I think
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  Speaker 2: he has a gun. And I see her upset, hysterical, sobbing.
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  Speaker 2: And I come to her quickly. I look around and.
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  Speaker 4: I tell him to stay right there. And I say,
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  Speaker 4: what's going on? She said, I think he's dead. What
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  Speaker 4: sort of interaction or reaction or actions.
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  Speaker 6: Do you see from mom and from the son?
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  Speaker 2: Mom is very emotional. She's extremely upset. Almost can't speak.
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  Speaker 2: The son, again, I thought was dazed, shocked. Not, not
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  Speaker 2: showing a whole lot of emotion, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe sleepy drawing.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Now, obviously things are pointing a different direction, but I
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  Speaker 2: clearly remember that mom was very emotional.
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  Speaker 5: Son was not.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing about them made me think that they were involved.
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  Speaker 2: I saw no blood on them. Otherwise there would have
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  Speaker 2: been a little different.
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  Speaker 4: No injuries, no injuries. I didn't see any blood, any injuries, nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Mom was pretty upset.
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  Speaker 1: Lewis told police that after he entered the bathroom, he
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  Speaker 1: secured the gun from Lanny's hand by removing it. Then
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  Speaker 1: he began to render medical aid. The security officer's initial
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  Speaker 1: assumption was that the wounds had been self-inflicted. Indeed, because
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  Speaker 1: he discovered the gun in Lanny's hand, responding officers and
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  Speaker 1: even detectives believed this to be the case, at least
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  Speaker 1: at first. Initial assumptions were proven wrong when it was
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  Speaker 1: discovered that Lanny had been shot not just once, but
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  Speaker 1: nine times. There was no indication of forced entry into
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  Speaker 1: the house. That left two potential suspects, Donna Horwitz and
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  Speaker 1: her and Lanny's son, Radley. At the scene, Donna refused
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  Speaker 1: to speak with law enforcement. She appeared to be in
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  Speaker 1: a state of shock. Radley, however, spoke freely. he told
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  Speaker 1: a detective that he awoke and heard gunshots. However, he
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  Speaker 1: could not be certain if he was initially jolted awake
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  Speaker 1: by the gun firing or the security alarm. Regardless, from
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  Speaker 1: the doorway of his bedroom, he claimed to see his
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  Speaker 1: mother screaming and pacing.
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  Speaker 7: It was like pop, pop, and the alarm was going off.
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  Speaker 5: And I heard screaming.
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  Speaker 7: And I was afraid to come out of my room.
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  Speaker 7: I know that sounds awful, but I was freaking scared.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: And my mom was screaming. And she was in the
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  Speaker 7: living room. I could see my dad through the doorway.
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  Speaker 7: At least I assumed it was him. Nobody else would
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  Speaker 7: have been in the house. And obviously now it is.
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  Speaker 7: I saw someone on the floor.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: And blood.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I heard a couple of.
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  Speaker 7: Pops, but I don't know how many there were.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. But it.
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  Speaker 8: Was loud.
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  Speaker 7: What was your mom's demeanor? She was screaming and screaming
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  Speaker 7: my name, and she was going around in the living
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  Speaker 7: room with her arms up.
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  Speaker 5: There were no arrests made at the scene.
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  Speaker 7: Indeed, it took some time for investigators to sort through
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  Speaker 7: the evidence in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Entering the lavish mansion, investigators first noted the cleanliness of
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  Speaker 1: the home. The only notable indication of the horrific murder
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  Speaker 1: that had taken place further inside was a small smear
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  Speaker 1: of blood on the railing of the gate on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the front door. Approaching the master bathroom,
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  Speaker 1: a gun was found on the floor outside, the one
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  Speaker 1: that Lewis had removed from Lanny's hand. Another was identified
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  Speaker 1: in a holster on the bedroom dresser. Bullet fragments fired
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  Speaker 1: from both guns were found in the bathroom. Two guns
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  Speaker 1: had been fired at Lanny as he exited the shower.
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  Speaker 1: These were not the only firearms located in the home,
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  Speaker 1: not even close. It seems that both Lanny and his
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  Speaker 1: son had a propensity for guns. Police found 24 other
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  Speaker 1: firearms in the house, ranging from handguns to rifles. There
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  Speaker 1: were masses of ammunition as well as other accessories. In
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  Speaker 1: a suitcase with Radley's name on the tag was ammunition
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  Speaker 1: matching the type fired from the two guns that killed
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  Speaker 1: his father. At the station, Donna was read a warrant
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  Speaker 1: before her DNA was collected for analysis. When the results
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  Speaker 1: were returned, they provided more questions than answers. The gun
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  Speaker 1: on the floor near the bathroom had a mixture of
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  Speaker 1: Lanny's DNA and one other DNA source. Radley and the
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  Speaker 1: security guards were excluded as the second source, but Donna
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  Speaker 1: could not be. The gun on the dresser was found
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  Speaker 1: to also contain DNA from two people, but these test
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  Speaker 1: results were inconclusive. Perhaps most curiously, the bloody finger smudge
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  Speaker 1: that had been left so far from the scene of
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  Speaker 1: the shooting, at the entrance to the house, also contained
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  Speaker 1: a mixture of two DNA profiles. One of these was Lanny's.
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  Speaker 1: The other was from an unidentified source. Investigators seeking to
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  Speaker 1: piece together the family dynamic sought out those who knew
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  Speaker 1: the Horwitz household. They spoke with Mary Garbo, Radley's ex-partner
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  Speaker 1: with whom he shared a daughter. Mary had at one
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  Speaker 1: time also been close with Donna, though their relationship had
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  Speaker 1: soured in the years after she and Radley split. Mary
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  Speaker 1: explained that until a few years prior, Radley had operated
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  Speaker 1: a business called Jupiter Arms, selling guns and accessories. He
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  Speaker 1: had his gun selling license revoked, however, after a run-in
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  Speaker 1: with law enforcement. Radley was put on the radar of
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  Speaker 1: the ATF after purchasing an illegal gun part online, one
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  Speaker 1: which could convert a Glock pistol into a fully automatic weapon.
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  Speaker 1: He had been encouraged to purchase it by his father.
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  Speaker 1: That decision turned out to be a life-changing one.
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  Speaker 9: And the guy let him, you hang up his certificate
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  Speaker 9: on his, on his wall at his business.
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  Speaker 4: What certificate?
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  Speaker 9: Stating that he had a FFL. And then his business
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  Speaker 9: basically was, he'd go to the bars at night where
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  Speaker 9: he hung out anyway, and he would Trying to drum
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  Speaker 9: up business.
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  Speaker 8: Selling guns? Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What's with all the guns in the house?
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  Speaker 9: His father was just as paranoid about having guns as
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  Speaker 9: Radley became.
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  Speaker 5: Rad was more obsessive about it than his.
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  Speaker 6: Father was, though.
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  Speaker 1: Radley was convicted of a felony after he agreed to
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  Speaker 1: sell a gun to an undercover officer with the ATF
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  Speaker 1: who presented the wrong paperwork. This led to a five-month
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  Speaker 1: prison sentence. Radley claimed afterwards that he had been entrapped,
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  Speaker 1: and that the only reason he had been targeted was
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  Speaker 1: the prior illegal purchase, prompted by his father. In this way,
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  Speaker 1: he blamed Lanny for the conviction. It did not help
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  Speaker 1: that when federal agents arrived to arrest him, he recalled
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  Speaker 1: that his father had laughed.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know where the.
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  Speaker 4: Guns are kept in the house?
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  Speaker 9: The guns used to be kept in every door, closet,
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  Speaker 9: and Underneath beds and bathrooms, and they used to be
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  Speaker 9: everywhere once upon a time, but after Rad got in trouble.
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  Speaker 5: I was told all the guns were sold.
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  Speaker 9: There were no more guns, and because he was in
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  Speaker 9: trouble and on probation, he wasn't allowed to be near weapons,
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  Speaker 9: so I was told everything was gone.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I was told.
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  Speaker 1: Following the conviction, Radley struggled to find work. He moved
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  Speaker 1: back into the family home where he began working for
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  Speaker 1: his father's business. But things in the household had been
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  Speaker 1: tense ever since Donna had moved back into the house,
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  Speaker 1: six months before the murder. Lanny and Donna Horwitz were
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  Speaker 1: first married in 1967. They had met as teenagers and
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  Speaker 1: quickly became inseparable. Their only son, Radley, was welcomed six
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  Speaker 1: years following their wedding. They moved to the gated community
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  Speaker 1: in Jupiter in 1990, where Lanny began building their family home.
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  Speaker 1: He had trained as a lawyer specializing in real estate,
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  Speaker 1: but had never formally practiced law. An early investment in
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  Speaker 1: hotels led to quick gains and an early retirement at
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  Speaker 1: the age of 39. The family was worth millions and
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  Speaker 1: lived a very comfortable lifestyle for many years, purchasing a
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  Speaker 1: second home and luxury vehicles. In the years before his death, however,
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  Speaker 1: Lanny's financial situation had grown more precarious. He was involved
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  Speaker 1: in a prospective deal in Italy involving the construction of
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  Speaker 1: a resort-style property which promised to pay substantial gains if
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  Speaker 1: he could get it to completion. He also ran a
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  Speaker 1: food supplement business which kept him afloat. If his finances
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  Speaker 1: had grown unstable, it was nothing compared to his personal
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  Speaker 1: life In 2001, after decades of marriage, Donna and Lanny divorced.
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  Speaker 1: Donna had reportedly carried on an affair with a local
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  Speaker 1: security guard, later moving in with him for a time
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  Speaker 1: in a small apartment. The ink was not yet dry
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  Speaker 1: on the divorce papers, however, when the two reconciled. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: they remarried. The divorce finalized in May. They were remarried
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  Speaker 1: by September. But it did not last forever. By the
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  Speaker 1: spring of the following year, they had parted ways once again.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems not permanently. Donna had spent years fighting
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  Speaker 1: mental health battles, including more than one attempt on her life.
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  Speaker 1: By 2011, she was keen for yet another reconciliation. And
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  Speaker 1: her wish seemed to come true when Lanny asked her
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  Speaker 1: to move back into the home in Admiral's Cove. Their son,
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  Speaker 1: fresh out of prison and unable to find work as
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  Speaker 1: a convicted felon, would move in as well. they would
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  Speaker 1: be a family again. The night before the murder, Radley,
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  Speaker 1: with his young daughter, went to dinner with his father.
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  Speaker 1: According to his recollection over fries and hamburgers, Lanny made
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  Speaker 1: two significant and contradictory statements. The first was that despite
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  Speaker 1: the divorce, he had always seen himself growing old with Donna,
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  Speaker 1: his high school sweetheart and the mother of his son.
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  Speaker 1: The second was that he was leaving on a trip
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  Speaker 1: to North Carolina the next day with his business partner
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  Speaker 1: and the woman believed to be his longtime mistress, Francine Tice.
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  Speaker 1: Fran lived 10 houses down from the Horwitz family in
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  Speaker 1: Admiral's Cove. For roughly five years, she and Lanny had
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  Speaker 1: worked closely together and had developed a tight bond. Their
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  Speaker 1: affection for each other was obvious. They held hands in public,
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  Speaker 1: frequently embraced, and openly kissed. They spent a great deal
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  Speaker 1: of time in each other's company. When apart, they exchanged
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  Speaker 1: text messages at all times of the day and night.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators were keen to speak with Fran. By the time
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  Speaker 1: detectives arrived at her home, the news of Lanny's death
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  Speaker 1: had already reached her, though they told her none of
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  Speaker 1: the details.
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  Speaker 11: He lived his life with my friends and amazing friends
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  Speaker 11: and dinner parties and Fran was first asked about her.
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  Speaker 8: Relationship with Lanny.
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  Speaker 11: She insisted, repeatedly, that their relationship had never been physical,
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  Speaker 11: but it had been a kind.
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  Speaker 8: Of romance nonetheless. If you don't mind my asking, it's
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  Speaker 8: a personal question. Are you physical? Okay. Everest friend? Beyond
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  Speaker 8: best friend. Okay. It's just a guy.
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  Speaker 11: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: A guy with the best friend, just like you have
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  Speaker 8: a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 11: And my business partner, my guy, I had so many
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  Speaker 11: of my businesses. For not his lack of trying, he
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  Speaker 11: wanted to be with you.
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  Speaker 9: He did.
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  Speaker 11: I mean, who else comes to the airport with a
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  Speaker 11: dozen red roses to say I missed you away?
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  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 8: With a kiss on the cheek.
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  Speaker 9: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Next, Fran was asked about Lanny's relationship with Radley. A
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  Speaker 1: friend of hers was present at the interview to offer
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  Speaker 1: support and prompted her not to hold back.
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  Speaker 11: Other than that, has he had any issues with Rad or?
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  Speaker 8: To my knowledge, again, Lanny's a private person. Tell him
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  Speaker 8: what you know, sweetie. Lanny's not here. Let me just
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  Speaker 8: tell you. Is it an issue, Lanny? We don't know.
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  Speaker 8: That's what we're trying to find out.
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  Speaker 5: There was a struggle, though. We don't know.
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  Speaker 8: Can I tell you what I see?
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  Speaker 5: I see the whole thing.
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  Speaker 8: I see the whole thing. You can tell us. No,
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  Speaker 8: I'd rather not. Okay. I'd rather not. All right. No
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  Speaker 8: real issues that you know with Rad, except that he's
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  Speaker 8: just not. Just one baby. Yeah. No jobs or anything
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  Speaker 8: like that. Had a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Didn't keep them.
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  Speaker 10: Right.
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  Speaker 5: On unemployment. All right.
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  Speaker 8: And then he's been living with his dad as long
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  Speaker 8: as you've known him? As long as I've known him.
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  Speaker 1: Finally, Fran was asked about Donna. If she and Lanny
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  Speaker 1: had been so happy together, why did he move his
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  Speaker 1: ex-wife back into the house?
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  Speaker 8: Did a deal with him and he wouldn't tell me
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  Speaker 8: what the deal was. The ex-wife. The ex-wife.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: Donna.
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  Speaker 9: Donna.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: When you say deal, what do you mean? I don't know. Okay.
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  Speaker 8: So he went to Asheville. And then when he came
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  Speaker 8: back from that trip, he said.
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  Speaker 8: That Donna was.
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  Speaker 11: Moving back into the house, they were not remarrying, that
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  Speaker 11: she wanted to make it work.
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  Speaker 8: I said, boy, hasn't she done this to you four
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  Speaker 8: times past?
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  Speaker 5: He goes, yep.
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  Speaker 1: The deal that Fran was likely referencing was the financial
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  Speaker 1: arrangement that Lanny had proposed to Donna six months prior.
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  Speaker 1: They would reconcile, but she needed to lend him $ 200, 000.
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  Speaker 1: He needed the money to keep the two family homes afloat.
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  Speaker 1: Donna agreed. She was excited to make things work again
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  Speaker 1: with her ex-husband. But was she, at that time, aware
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  Speaker 1: of the special relationship that Lanny had with Francine and
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  Speaker 1: what that would mean for her potential reconciliation?
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  Speaker 8: Did his ex-wife know that he lost you? Wouldn't you think?
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  Speaker 11: Wouldn't you think, wouldn't you think, and wouldn't you think
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  Speaker 11: she saw the text?
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  Speaker 8: And wouldn't you think she saw the pictures?
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  Speaker 11: She was listening on my birthday, blowing out candles with
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  Speaker 11: three forks, my birthday cake.
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  Speaker 8: Wouldn't you think? Well, we were told that you and
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  Speaker 8: he had a relationship. By her? No, I never had
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  Speaker 8: any intimacy. He said you were his girlfriend. Oh, that's
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  Speaker 8: not funny. I was not his girlfriend.
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  Speaker 11: I was his business partner, business associate, best friend, or
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  Speaker 11: as he puts in text, my best friend, pal, my buddy.
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  Speaker 8: Okay. Would that be a girlfriend? Did I ever have
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  Speaker 8: sex with the man?
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  Speaker 11: Never.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Did I kiss him?
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  Speaker 8: Of course I did. Do I kiss my girlfriends?
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 8: Did his family think that you guys were having an affair?
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  Speaker 5: Obviously they did. Oh, I don't know that.
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  Speaker 11: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Even if Fran had no direct knowledge of Donna and
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  Speaker 1: Radley's view of her, She did know that tensions in
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  Speaker 1: the horror household had been heating up and had the
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  Speaker 1: potential to turn deadly. She told the detective that Lanny
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  Speaker 1: had made prophetic statements to her shortly before his death,
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  Speaker 1: as though he knew that he would meet a violent end.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: For her part, Francine believed that she could see what
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: had happened to him, She had dreamt about the guns.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: He said to me, if.
• 20:14
  Speaker 11: Anything happens to me, promise me, promise me that you
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: will fight to the end.
• 20:23
  Speaker 8: To see that I get justice.
• 20:26
  Speaker 11: When he told me that, it's always been on my mind.
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: I said, well, you know, you moved into the house.
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: She never cooked a meal for you, Lanny, in all
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: the years you were married. And she's cooking you meals
• 20:35
  Speaker 11: every night.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: I don't understand. I'd be afraid of going into the food.
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: He laughed. He said, no, she's trying to show me
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: she got domestic.
• 20:43
  Speaker 11: 35 years she couldn't show you that?
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: Mm-hmm.
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: And the dream with the guns. You don't understand. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: see things. I know. I'm sorry, but that's crazy. What
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: do you see happening? What do you see happening? He
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: was getting out of the shower. The cell phone was here.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: The gun was somewhere very close to him because he
• 21:01
  Speaker 8: always brings it with him.
• 21:02
  Speaker 11: He was coming out of the shower. She saw the
• 21:04
  Speaker 11: suitcase being packed because... I don't know if he told
• 21:07
  Speaker 11: her he was going to Asheville.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: This is what I see. This is the scene. She says,
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: you go, I'm going to kill you. That's what I see.
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: And he's saying, stop it, Donna. I know him because
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: he's gentle. He took the gun and it killed him.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Lanny had not been found with his cell phone, though
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: he had knocked a landline device from the wall during
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: the attack. Crime scene analysts suggested he may have been
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: reaching for the phone to call for help. In the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: days following the murder, Radley Horwitz voluntarily sat down with
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: police alongside his attorney to offer further details. According to Radley,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: his father's suitcases were packed for his trip with Francine
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the next day. He assumed his mother had also spotted them.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Since his mother had moved into the house, he described
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: how her physical and mental health had been visibly deteriorating.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Always an energetic and attractive woman, she had descended rapidly,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: losing weight, her hair turning brittle. He characterized his father
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: as a difficult man, emotionally and psychologically manipulative.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: My dad said that he wanted to work things out
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: with me. And with the initial divorce, I thought, you know,
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: she was the worst person in the world. But then
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: once I was living at home and I was under
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: his thumb, I realized that he was, you know, I.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Guess, you know, when you're younger and stuff, whatever. But
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: that he, you know, wasn't the nicest person, you know.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: And she said to me that he used to, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: tell her that he put her out on the street
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: and I never believed it. That he'd, you know, after
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: the grandmother died, Anita, that because of all the legal
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: stuff that he'd had her signed since the divorce in 2001,
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: that he would, that he'd have her out on the street.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: And she always said that, you know, she thought she
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: was kind of, was a bag lady. And I'm like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: you know, not that I think, you know.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: So you're saying you believe that he brought her back
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: into the home just to like.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: To get that money.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: Be able to mess with her about.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: To get the money to torment her. And I'll use
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: that word again.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: And he got a black eye is one thing, which
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: I never saw, but those heal and go away. You know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: the psychological stuff.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: Is a lot worse.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Detectives had Radley close his eyes and recount the morning
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of the murder again, summoning as much detail as possible.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: He recounted that he awoke and pulled one of his
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: earplugs out. Through the noise of the house alarm, he
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: heard the sound of a gun clicking. The trigger was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: being pulled, but there was no ammunition left. To fire.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: Clicking sound.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: You were in the gun business before. Yeah. You hear this,
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: the clicking sound as you describe it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: To you, what is that clicking sound?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Out.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: You know? Out.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: On what? No more shots in the gun.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: In a gun.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: It's a gun being dry fired or, you know, fired empty. And,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: When you saw your mom walking back and forth, was
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: the gun still in her hand?
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. So I'm not going to say,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: And I know there was a lot of screaming and
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: I think she was screaming my name.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure she was saying Radley, Radley, at least
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: a couple of times.
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: And the other, I was like, Oh, like, you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: come out at that point.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: I came out once I'd already peaked out the other side.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: And then I don't know if I put my shorts
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: on then or what, but I, um, came out it's.
• 24:57
  Speaker 12: Important for us to understand and know whether or not
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: you said something.
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, what happened here?
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: She, okay.
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: All right.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: She was saying he was so awful. He was so awful.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: He said, she said that twice. And I said, did
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: he attack you?
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: And I don't know if it was there, if we
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: were in the car and I was like, you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: did he attack you? And I'm pretty sure that all
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: she kept saying was that he was so awful.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: The interview concluded with Radley denying any involvement in his
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: father's killing and insisting that whatever happened, his mother was
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: not at fault.
• 25:38
  Speaker 12: I have to ask you before, you know, we go,
• 25:41
  Speaker 12: you know, you said you gotta go to the bathroom,
• 25:43
  Speaker 12: but I just want to ask you, did you shoot
• 25:47
  Speaker 12: your father or.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Were you involved in any way? Absolutely not. I did
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: not shoot my father. I was not involved in any
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: other way or in any way.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: I was woken up to gunfire. I'll, you know, polygraph, whatever.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think you guys know, but you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Still got to ask. What did you think? Seeing what
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: was there.
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: Listening to what you're telling us, you heard. Maybe he snapped.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe she snapped.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: But that, and this is going to sound absolutely stupid,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: but I know this is going to sound beyond stupid,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: but cliche.
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: Too, but.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Whatever happened and whatever had been happening, she was the victim.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: And my dad's laying in the goddamn morgue, and I'm
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: telling you that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Donna had never given a formal statement to law enforcement. Nonetheless,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: investigators believed they had discovered evidence that offered unique insight
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: into her mind and motive. They had found Donna's diary.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Her entries provided a narrative of the emotional and psychological
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: decline that Radley had described witnessing firsthand. In March of 2011,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: upon deciding to give Lanny the $ 200, 000 loan as part
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: of their reconciliation, she wrote, Lanny asked about $ 200, 000 to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: keep both houses afloat and move back in and reconcile.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Great day. Lanny loves me and I love him and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I want to help. By July, however, her entries had
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: taken a dark turn. She had come to believe that
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Lanny was having an affair with Francine, though he continued
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to deny it. Fran texted Lambo at midnight, woke us up.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Lanny left at 1.15 to go on an errand with Fran,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: didn't return until 4.45 p.m. In August, she recorded, my
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: heart is broken and he is working on my mind,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: playing games with me. By early September, there was less ambiguity.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: She wrote, Throughout these entries, Donna's affectionate nickname, Lambo, was
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: replaced with a new name which she gave to her ex-husband, Mr.
• 28:13
  Speaker 11: Meany.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: The last entry was dated September 5th, just weeks before
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the murder. After Lanny had left to spend time with Francine,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Donna wrote, Donna Horwitz was arrested and charged with the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: murder of her ex-husband. She pleaded not guilty and headed
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to trial in 2013. The prosecution argued that on the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: morning of September 30th, Donna saw Lanny's suitcases packed and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: ready to go for his trip with Francine, and she snapped.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: She shot at her ex-husband ten times from two handguns.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Nine of those shots hit their mark.
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: What you have here is a woman scorned. Love, hate,
• 29:06
  Speaker 13: and obsession.
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: It wasn't about money.
• 29:08
  Speaker 13: It was about, you want to know what? You are
• 29:11
  Speaker 13: not going to North Carolina. You are not going anywhere.
• 29:16
  Speaker 13: And if I can't have you, no one else can.
• 29:19
  Speaker 13: Ten times on a naked man when he's in the shower,
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: the last one in the mouth is the shot of
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: an angry, angry woman.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: We don't really know exactly.
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: What happened here.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: You know, at the end of this trial, you may
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: have more questions. than answers.
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: That's the reasonable doubt. You may never know what happened.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: The defense argued that it was not Donna that snapped
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: that morning, but her son. Radley Horowitz, they said, was
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the real killer. In forming this theory, they pointed to
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: several factors that they believed proved Bradley had arranged the murder.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: The first was the downward trajectory of the gunshots, which
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: they argued showed that someone taller than Donna Horowitz had
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: been the shooter.
• 30:15
  Speaker 12: The gun would have to be very close to the
• 30:19
  Speaker 12: top of her forehead.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, scientifically impossible.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: That Donna Horowitz was the shooter here.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: One of the central issues with pointing to Radley as
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: the killer was the result of his GSR test. Unlike
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: his mother who refused to work with detectives, Radley gave
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: consent to have this test performed at the scene that morning.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: His hands were swabbed to test for gunpowder. The results
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: came back negative. The defense theory therefore relied on speculation
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: that Radley had not fired the guns himself. He had
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: arranged for a hitman to enter the house that morning.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: They pointed to the bloody finger smudge on the gate
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: by the door, which contained Lanny and an unknown individual's DNA.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: They argued that the hitman left this smudge as they
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: rapidly fled the scene. What was not properly explained was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: how an unknown individual managed to enter the home undetected,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: bypassing the security system. The system was triggered only after
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: shots had been fired. When Radley took the stand, he
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: recounted his version of events from that morning, including observing
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: disturbing details of his father's final breaths as he fearfully
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: looked in on him lying on the bathroom floor.
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: She's screaming my name, and she might have said, like,
• 31:51
  Speaker 14: your father, your father, or something like that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: He, uh, made this, um.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: This, uh.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: God-awful, inhuman, um, gurgling sound.
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: Did that frighten you?
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Upon cross-examination, Radley was confronted with his own potential motive
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: to see his father dead. He had blamed Lanny for
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: his arrest and conviction on the weapons charge from years earlier.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: After following his father's advice, he made the illegal purchase
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: online that had placed him in the ATF's crosshairs. or
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: so he believed. He placed the blame for the conviction
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: that derailed his life on his father. Then there was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the financial motive. Radley admitted that his father had tricked
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: him into signing away entitlement to a $ 200, 000 life insurance policy.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: That money was then earmarked for Francine. Nonetheless, Radley was
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: still poised to receive a large sum of money upon
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: his father's death. at least half a million dollars, two homes,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and luxury cars.
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: And you probably got around half a million dollars out
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: of this.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Ballpark, yes, maybe even a little bit more.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: The defense then grilled him about a book he purchased
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: in 2004. It was entitled Hitman. Asked if the book
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: could be characterized as a manual on how to kill
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: someone and get away with it, Radley replied, as opposed
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to killing somebody and getting caught, Yes.
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: Did you hire anyone to kill your father?
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not. And did you yourself kill your dad? Absolutely not.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: That's all I have to make it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: The final assertion of the defense was that if Donna
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: had fired the shots, she would have been covered in blood.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: The pajamas that she wore were eventually obtained and processed,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: but not on the morning of the murder. It was
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: a significant oversight made by law enforcement in the initial
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: hours at the scene as they attempted to determine if
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the wounds had been self-inflicted or whether they were dealing
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: with a homicide. None of the officers who dealt with
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Donna at that time had noted blood on her. Indeed,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that would have been a major red flag, leading them
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to conclude it was a likely murder scene before they
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: even knew the number of shots that had been fired.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Bradley told police that he noticed blood on his mother's
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: foot while they were seated outside of the house. He
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: handed her a napkin to wipe it off. The prosecution, however,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: did not necessarily need the blood to place Donna inside
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: the bathroom with her husband at the time the guns
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: were fired. There was another telltale sign. At the scene,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Donna was asked by a detective if she needed a
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: bottle of water. In response, she indicated to her ears.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: She could not hear anything. So, Donna was asked directly
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: if she was in the room when the gun went off.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: To this question and others, she did not respond. It
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: was later determined, however, that Donna permanently lost 48% of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: her hearing that day.
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: This is a case about jumping to conclusions.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: A third party murdered Wayne Horowitz.
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: And he left a bloody smudge of his DNA on
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: the gate as he made his getaway.
• 35:32
  Speaker 13: Boom!
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: The first shot goes off and hits him.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: He's in the shower.
• 35:35
  Speaker 12: He's in absolute shock. Glass flies all over the place.
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: He steps out and boom, boom, boom. He's shot four
• 35:43
  Speaker 12: more times by one gun. And there's blood spatter all over.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It took the jury less than two hours to convict
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the 66-year-old of first-degree murder with a firearm. Jurors had
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: quickly dismissed arguments that the bullet trajectory showed someone taller
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: than Donna Horwitz had been the shooter. They also believed
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: testimony from a blood spatter analyst that the smudge on
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the gate was probably transferred from a glove or other
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: supplies that first responders used at the crime scene. They
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: concluded that it did not indicate that a third person
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: had been present at the time of the murder.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: It's just awful.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Nobody should have to go that way.
• 36:43
  Speaker 7: No matter what.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Even the mafia doesn't kill like that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: So it's unbelievable that she could do something like that.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: And I'd like her to remember every single day that
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: the prima donna lifestyle ended when she put the gun
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: in his mouth. I guess she prefers the police wagon
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: to her white Mercedes.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Donna's legal team quickly appealed the verdict. The basis of
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the appeal was the emphasis and meaning that the state
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: attributed to her decision to stay silent from the moment
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: responders arrived on scene. Despite testimony that at times it
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: seemed she did not respond because she was unable to
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: even hear the questions being posed, her silence was used
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: by prosecutors as proof of her consciousness of guilt. Donna
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: did not respond to queries from Luis Garcia, the security officer,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: or her own son at the scene. even though at
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: that time, no one except perhaps Donna knew they were
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: dealing with a murder. When the EMT arrived and pronounced
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Lanny dead, Donna still said nothing. This silence, they argued,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: was a sign of her guilt. The appeals court, however,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: found that her silence should not have been used as
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: evidence against her. Donna's appeal on these grounds was successful,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: and in 2017, she was granted a new trial. Despite
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: its failure the first time around, the defense team's strategy
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: had not changed. Radley Horowitz was the real killer, they said,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: or rather, the mystery hitman that he hired to do
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: the deed. Initially, it seems, their argument had traction. Following
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: closing arguments, jurors began their deliberations at 1 p.m. Three
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: hours later, they told the judge that they were hopelessly deadlocked.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: The vote was six to convict and six to acquit.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Instead of declaring a mistrial, the judge ordered the jury
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: to call it a day, go home and sleep on it,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: and then return in the morning to deliberate further. Surprisingly,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that overnight break offered further clarity to exactly half of
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the jury. The next morning, they reached a unanimous verdict.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: They found Donna Horwitz guilty of second-degree murder.
• 39:10
  Speaker 10: I don't really believe I caved in. I feel that
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: at the very end, I was convinced that it had
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: to be her. Would I have liked to have seen
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: more evidence?
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 39:24
  Speaker 10: But my conscience and my gut said it had to
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: be her. The biggest problem was that there were only
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: two people in the house. She was arrested and the
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: son wasn't. I had a lot of questions that were unanswered.
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: I would like to have seen more evidence, more blood
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: on her, something that said she did it directly, but
• 39:47
  Speaker 10: there wasn't enough reasonable doubt And common sense, in the end,
• 39:52
  Speaker 10: is what finally swayed me. And I was the last holdout.
• 39:57
  Speaker 10: I don't think she should have a life sentence. But again,
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: she's probably going to unfortunately die in prison unless they
• 40:05
  Speaker 10: get an appeal and win.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: The state requested a sentence of life in prison following
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the conviction, arguing that Donna failed to demonstrate any remorse
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: for her actions and continued to blame her own son
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: for the murder. At the age of 70, she was
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: sentenced to 32 years in prison.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: They used the same defense a second time. Didn't work
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  Speaker 5: the first.
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  Speaker 14: Time, didn't work the second time. You know, I think
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  Speaker 14: I've been kicked around enough at this point, honestly. So
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  Speaker 14: just looking to move on with my life. And I
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  Speaker 14: think the physical evidence has spoken. Two separate juries have spoken.
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  Speaker 14: You know, I still can't help but feel a little
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  Speaker 14: bad for my mom. But as I said the last time,
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  Speaker 14: it's pretty much the only family that's left.
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  Speaker 1: Bradley Horowitz moved from the United States for a fresh
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  Speaker 1: start at life. He says that he has less hatred
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  Speaker 1: towards his father than he did years ago, and he
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  Speaker 1: does not hold any anger towards his mother. And that
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  Speaker 1: was the tragic case of Lanny Horwitz. Thanks for joining me,
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  Speaker 1: and a shout out this week to Alberto Villar and
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  Speaker 1: SkyGod for joining our Members Lounge. I'm Kevin, this is
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  Speaker 1: Just Thought Lounge, and I'll see you in the next one.
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  Speaker 3: Outro Music