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Skynet Scares, Monkey Escapes, and Hypersonic Puppies · SpaceTomatoes

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  If there is some kind of robotic AI-powered thing with a gun on it, it's not going to miss like 16 times.
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  All right, everybody.
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  Welcome back to another episode of the Space Tomatoes Podcast.
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  I'm your host, Havoc, and your other host.
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  I'm Alex. Hello. Welcome.
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  We were actually chatting right before we hit record
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  and talking about AI and asking about, you know, use of AI.
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  Do you use it? Which one do you prefer?
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  Which one do you like? Which one? Why?
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  Leave a comment. Put a comment down there.
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  Hit that little dingleberry bell ball thing.
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  Subscribe, you know, put in a comment, do the thing, do the stuff.
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  But we were talking about it.
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  And one of the things that I was saying was, I think it's a real, it's a, it's a really nice augmentation tool.
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  Right.
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  And, uh, you know, it's a capable of doing things, but one of my gripes about it in general is, you know, it's great for, in my opinion, for doing things like research and trying to figure out where to start.
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  Right.
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  but one of the things that I've always had an issue with it is its ability to infer things,
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  right? And just kind of make stuff up, right? They call it hallucinations. They call it whatever
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  it's inference, right? It's basically saying, Hey, you asked me a question and I'm looking all out,
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  you know, everywhere I can try and find an answer. And if I can't find one, what I'm going to do is
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  give you an answer in full confidence that I just made up based on guesses inference from all of this material, right?
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  Which puts you in a position where how much do you actually trust what you get back, which says again, then, okay, at that point, if I have to go through all of the material to verify and check that it's, you know, factual and it's correct and everything's good, really, I'm not saving a whole lot of time, right?
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  However, where do I save time is at where do I start? Where is all that information? Where, where does it live? Right. Do I have to go through, you know, a thousand web links and, you know, 150, you know, PDFs and everything else. No, you can get a real good start place. You can do quite a lot with it, but just remember that it'll tell you in full confidence that the moon is made of cheese.
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  If it can't find anything to contradict that, you know what I mean?
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  Or, you know, if it doesn't know the answer, there's no answer out there, right?
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  It, it, it, it can come back and just tell you, oh yeah, but definitely.
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  And, and we've all had this, there's memes about it, you know, like, you know, the meme
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  with the person with some unfortunate incident happening.
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  And then, you know, the next response is, oh, I'm sorry, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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  blah, blah.
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  That was a good catch.
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  I'm glad you caught that.
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  Let me go ahead and update.
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  You know, it's like it doesn't have the capacity to, I guess, figure that out at this point.
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  And then we were talking about how I kind of feel like it's a bubble of sorts.
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  I mean, I hate to say this because I think it's a valuable technology.
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  But I think that what we're seeing, at least from my eyes, is akin to the dot-com bubble, right?
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  where you've got just huge valuations going in and a lot of stuff going along.
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  Now, keep in mind, dot-com didn't go away, right?
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  It didn't go away.
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  It just kind of tanked a big sector of the market because it was overvalued, right?
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  And why is that happening?
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  Oh, that yellow ball in the sky.
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  That's one of the curtains I haven't put up.
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  You suck.
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  I love you, but you suck.
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  But so I don't see that going away.
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  But I do think that there's a big bubble because I think there's been a lot of over promising on what can be delivered with AI as of right now.
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  Now, I'm not saying that it won't get better.
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  I'm not saying that it won't eventually lead to, you know, amazing breakthroughs and who knows what it'll do.
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  but uh yeah right now i i use it more as a as a where to start help me find documentation that
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  is relevant to this with you know the following characteristics uh you know that has you know
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  whatever you know premise built in blah blah blah blah blah right prompt engineering or writing
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  an instruction it's it's kind of like doing this on right you hire a gardener you don't go just
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  go garden you tell them exactly what you would like done and how would you how would you like
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  it done what color flowers do you want planted and where do you want them planted how do you
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  want you know what i mean so you just have to think of it more like that it's not a simple
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  search engine although it works great for that too i have very little experience with it um
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  basically just whatever's built into the browser on my ipad is what i've experienced but but it does
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  seem to want to like i i watched videos on other people using prompts to to get information from it
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  and it seems like it wants to i mean this is assigning human characteristics which it doesn't
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  have but it seems like it wants to please the user in the end and give them a result that they
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  are happy with which isn't necessarily accurate oh yeah and and one of my huge pet peeves in the
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  beginning with any AI was how it was dripping with niceness.
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  You know what I mean?
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  It was like, oh, that's such, you're so wonderful.
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  And I, you're so smart for catching that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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  It's like, I don't want to paragraph up all of fluff, you know, and stuff.
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  Just give me an answer.
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  You know what I mean?
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  And yeah, I think part of that is probably trying to assign those human
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  traits or characteristics i guess would be a better description yeah it's it's weird
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  it is kind of weird i don't know man but uh i i have seen some videos about it um
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  i mean again this is uh assigning human characteristics to it which i don't think
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  it's capable of but apparently on certain prompts that it's it's lying to the creators to
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  make the result seem like what they wanted the result to be in the end and it's falsifying the
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  results to make the uh oh yeah there's there's some very interesting stuff right and you know
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  everything from the things going you know when able to just discuss amongst themselves right
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  different AIs going into some like, you know, hardcore, like, you know, fascist, racist,
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  like freaking hole, right?
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  This is like, oh no, we got to shut that down to, you know, it wanting to survive.
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  Like the, the one where it black, you know, it was all internal testing, right?
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  But then they fed it, you know, they didn't feed it.
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  They just kind of loaded information here or there, right?
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  They seeded things that they wanted to see what would happen.
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  And the thing actually, you know, decided it was going to blackmail the guy that was going to shut it down.
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  I saw that.
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  You know what I mean?
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  It's like, okay.
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  So there is something there in that it doesn't want to be shut down.
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  That should scare everyone.
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  That should scare you.
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  It should.
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  At least a little bit.
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  Not like, oh my gosh, I'm terrified.
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  but you should you should at least it should give you pause enough to sit there and go
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  you know what if your computer just didn't want to shut down or your thermostat it just said no i
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  don't i'm sorry dave i can't do that what yeah and from what i'm hearing like unlike any other
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  technological advancement they they don't even know exactly how it works i mean they have like
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  a general you know concept but but just the way that it's written and like there's so many layers
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  to it that they don't know exactly what causes it to respond the way that it does yeah and and i
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  have i certainly don't understand the inner workings of ai right i just don't i don't understand
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  a lot of it but you are correct at one point they were like well this isn't working you know let's
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  just put a bunch of transformers in there and see what it does with them.
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  And boom, now we have what we have.
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  And it was a pretty big leap and they don't know why they just don't,
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  they don't really like, Oh, we, we completely understand this.
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  And this is why that happened. And they don't. Right. So,
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  and when I say they researchers, the people actually doing this stuff, right.
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  There's, there's some, you know, surprising areas of this field where you,
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  where you go, but wait, how does it work?
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  And, well, it does this and that.
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  Well, how come it didn't work with less of those?
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  We don't know.
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  Maybe it's akin to the amount of brain cells required
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  to keep a human alive.
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  I don't know.
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  Yeah, I mean, we don't really know how a human brain works,
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  yet we're trying to replicate that somehow.
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  Bad idea, maybe?
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  Yeah.
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  I don't know.
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  well you know and and you know some people are even going as far as saying you know being able
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  to replicate uh human consciousness right i just think that's a bad idea i just don't do that don't
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  do that there's something i don't think there's any way to put it back in the uh the bottle so to
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  say at this point yeah i suppose i i mean you know they they're even talking about plans to
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  like be able to download you and put you into a cybernetic machine of some form oh i'm i'm sure
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  they've been working on that for a while that's that's yeah i i don't i don't like that at all
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  i don't think no thank you i'll pass on that deal yeah me too thanks i'm good i i just don't like
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  that at all yeah i was i mean it i was watching a video about it and they were talking about um
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  how fast technology can progress.
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  And they were even talking about how we went from the Wright brothers at Kitty Hawk
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  to commercial transportation, albeit it was basic, but in 11 years, that's what that took.
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  That's not a very long time.
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  And then when these AIs can start developing other AIs and start working on that stuff,
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  it's going to exponentially increase the speed at which this stuff is going to start coming i believe
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  they already can um and i don't know how successful that's been but i mean we're at a stage right now
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  where the thing can code right not flawlessly uh and certainly requires some uh intervention to make
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  things go the way we think they should go but you know it can code which means it could literally
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  code a manufacturing facility and then code in an order system to order parts to a manufacturing
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  facility or, you know, raw materials to, you know, a different one and then code the
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  robotics in there to build whatever it designed and then put software into whatever it designed.
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  It's, you know, that's, that's kind of where we're, we're, you know, looking, that's where
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  where things are kind of heading right which is both kind of really cool and also terrifying like
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  we've all seen the movies right we we've seen the movies you know this is one of the few movies i
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  have seen yeah i'll be back yeah yeah it's it's not a it's not a good scenario right i mean it
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  doesn't doesn't turn out well for us no yeah exactly and I well I believe that
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  that you know people people will try and I think you know that there some some merits to the science and the math behind it I don think time travel like that I just don
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  I don't think that.
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  So, you know, the premise that got us out of that.
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  Yeah, that's going to have to come up with a better thing.
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  i think the one thing all these movies like fail to to represent accurately is if there is some kind
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  of robotic ai powered thing with a gun on it it's not going to miss like 16 times before you have a
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  chance to return fire it's going to get you the first time and you're dead yeah no they're they're
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  They're fairly accurate, right?
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  I mean, I don't know if you've seen, but they've got, you know, guys out there that are, you know, using home-based AI.
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  Well, I'm guessing it's at home.
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  Maybe it's in a lab or whatever for color and pattern recognition and things of that nature.
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  And, like, they fill a room with all these balloons with different colors.
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  And they're like, okay, only get the red balloons.
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  And the thing just fires off, like, you know, and it's not flawless, but it's pretty dang close.
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  It's a lot better than most humans.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's scary.
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  So what side are you going to be on?
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  Are you going to get the metal polish and I want to be your friend?
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  No.
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  Are you going to be on the other side?
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  I'm good.
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  I'm good.
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  I'm sure there'll be some on the other side.
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  I'll just put a bunch of.
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  Yeah, I just have to keep the property wet.
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  I'll sink in the mud.
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  It's fine.
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  For now.
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  Right.
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  For now.
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  they'll develop some new mud yeah i don't know it's it's not you're gonna do about the uh what
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  do you call those wow what are those drone things that you were telling about the slaughter bots
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  the slaughter bots that's it yeah did you go check that thing out not yet no i think i've i
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  think i saw it a long time ago i'll have to look it up again it's worth a refresher it really is
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  Yeah.
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  It's, it's a, I watched it again and I was like, oh, dude.
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  It's, it's, it's kind of old now, isn't it?
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  Yeah.
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  It's, I think it was released in 2012 or something.
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  Yeah.
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  I was going to say like 10 years old or more.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And, and the, if you watch it to the end, it goes to a blank screen for a little bit.
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  It kind of looks like it ended, but if you watch it to the end, there is a professor
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  in there, a well-known, well-respected guy who is not trying to say, you know, oh, you
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  know, this is a disaster, but it's, he's saying, you know, back then that we have a chance,
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  we have an opportunity to make this something, you know, very beneficial or it could go the
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  other way.
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  The problem with it going the other way is, I mean, look, look, look at recent stuff,
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  right?
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  How many hacks have happened on governments that have taken confidential classified, whatever
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  information. So the idea that you're going to protect some code base and nobody's ever going
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  to get their hands on it is, is that's if you're thinking like that, you're, you're, you're not
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  thinking right because that's just a reality. It will eventually happen and then becomes the problem,
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  right? And then you get some group of people, some fanatics, some, you know, whatever it is,
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  Just like in that little clip, right?
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  A little five minute clip is, you know, you now, you know, everyone could potentially end up having this.
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  And it doesn't take more than like two people to unleash, you know, thousands of these things.
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  And that's that's pretty horrifying.
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  But we I mean, like the United States and their allies, we are not the only ones that are working on this stuff.
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  So, no, I mean, everyone.
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  to contend with too yeah pretty much everyone's got it at this point right i mean it's it's a
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  reality every every you know state actor out there has ai in some way shape or form yeah maybe maybe
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  not some of the you know uh i would even say even in like you know what we would consider really
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  really you know third world you know very very economically disadvantaged countries
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  likely still have AI, but I don't know.
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  That's hard to say, right?
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  They may also be running old Windows 311 computers or something.
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  I don't know.
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  So in which case, yeah, that's not a reality.
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  But I don't believe that that's the case.
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  I think everyone at this point knows that information is kind of the battlefront of this era.
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  Right.
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  I wonder what they do actually have in there for safeguards to keep people from asking certain things like how to build some kind of device that they shouldn't be building or whatever.
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  Oh, they've got a lot.
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  They've got a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  There's quite a bit of stuff in there.
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  And some of that, you know, look, it's, yeah, they've got a lot of safeguards.
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  And I think that it's a good thing to have safeguards.
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  But I also think it's a really good thing to have to have safeguards on it itself.
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  And I feel like we started out there.
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  You know, if you remember the the I can't remember spot, right?
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  The robot dog is the most common.
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  Like it was the first one we really saw, right, go into production.
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  And the company came out and said, look, we're not we will not allow these things to become autonomous,
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  autonomous armed robots.
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  Is that one like the,
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  like the NYPD has,
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  right?
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  Yeah.
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  They changed their minds.
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  And now they're autonomous armed robot dogs out there,
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  you know,
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  you know,
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  it's a Oppenheimer,
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  right?
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  I mean,
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  you look at this stuff and you go,
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  well,
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  Hey,
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  we've harnessed the atom.
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  We can have energy and we could make this safe.
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  And people,
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  you know,
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  in general,
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  your quality of life is going to go up and some yo-yo out there is going to
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  go,
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  Oh,
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  we could use this to kill a lot of people.
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  what where where'd you come from no no energy we want to power people we want to take this to
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  third world countries for you know lower cost and be able to power them and and get them up out of
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  their stat their you know current situation no no no but we could bomb people with this right
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  i mean but hasn't that been like the historical like way that every innovation has gone i mean
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  And I'm sure when they first found fire, like, oh, this is going to be great.
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  This is going to be a game changer.
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  How could you possibly weaponize fire?
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  You know, next thing you're in the jungle shooting each other.
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  I would imagine Abel would have something to say about rocks.
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  Right?
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  How could you weaponize a rock?
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  Right.
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  So, you know, yeah, it's kind of in our nature.
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  And that's pretty sad, right?
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  We've been here for, you know, for a good minute.
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  And we still haven't figured out how to get around, you know, not killing people.
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  You know, just don't do that.
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  That's bad.
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  Don't do that.
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  I mean, like all these countries that want to ban, you know, like firearms.
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  Okay.
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  Then they start poking each other with knives.
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  You take the knives away, they're just going to find something else to use against other people.
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  Yeah.
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  Again, Cain and Abel, right?
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  I mean, go back to, you know, you go back in history.
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  It's just what we do.
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  Right.
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  But you would think we had, you know, come far enough and been enlightened and had enough
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  information to be able to go, you know, there's probably a better way of doing this.
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  You would think.
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  You would think.
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  You would think.
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  Maybe, you know, like a hundred years, this ain't enough for us to learn that.
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  Maybe we need a little longer.
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  A hundred years tops, you know, like.
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  I don't know.
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  Yeah, I don't either.
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  I think it's...
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  Our learning curve is more like a downward ramp.
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  I don't know that that's necessarily true, but yeah, I mean, it's not good.
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  It's not.
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  But hey, the fortunate part is there's still other benefits that come from these things, right?
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  I mean, nuclear power is kind of making a comeback, which I think is a really good thing.
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  You can look at all the nuclear disasters.
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  Now, Fukushima, you know, arguably, look, don't put the things in areas where they can go and contaminate the world, right?
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  I mean, that's probably a good idea.
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  But in general, they're the safest, most dense energy creation facilities out there.
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  Now, I'm not saying solar is not a great idea, but you look at what you do to a swath of earth and you make it essentially a barren wasteland, right? There's no food production. There's no animals. The ecosystem is in constant shade under these panels and everything has to be kept completely devoid of, you know, it doesn't have to, but you don't want weeds and trees growing up and all this stuff.
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  And, you know, look, it's a great thing.
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  I think people in general, you know, and especially as it gets more efficient, you know, I kind of always wondered, why don't they just put these on, you know, when a new home's built, you know, at least a couple solar panels.
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  Just throw them out there.
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  You know, little augmentation.
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  Another big one is thorium reactors.
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  China's got one.
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  They built it, and they're about to use it.
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  Now, we had one in the 1950s.
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  They're highly efficient.
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  They literally are just about bulletproof.
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  They can run themselves.
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  You don't need someone sitting there turning, twisting dials, you know, increasing, decreasing power, etc.
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  To keep the thing in check.
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  It does it all by itself, right?
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  I mean, it literally does.
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  They're small.
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  They are self-contained.
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  they can take existing nuclear waste and reduce it from tens of thousands of years of time that it
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  needs to be contained until it's potentially safe to 300 years. So you can literally burn fuel that's
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  sitting in a mountain that we can't do anything with because it's too dangerous and make it far
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  less dangerous. What's the downside cost or why don't we use them? You know, we, we, we have this
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  thing where we we settle on a technology and then we just you know the edison thing right acdc right
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  it's the same thing we settle on a technology we build out infrastructure and then it's like well
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  this is the way we do it and you know one of the things we do is we implement these protectionist
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  things and and for a while there it was kind of literally illegal to try to make a thorium reactor
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  yeah it went so far as hey this is we do you know light water reactors we
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  we're just going to outlaw you from using thorium you just can't do it or make it so difficult to do
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  you know what i mean like you could get a science research grant maybe but in production you could
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  never go into production because there's just too many hurdles too many regulatory things too many
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  everything and you know each of these people are kind of tied into that system and that is their
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  bread and butter so shifting off of it means you know a bunch of people might lose their bread and
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  butter and so that's see every time you ask yourself why it boils down to one reason yeah
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  it really does which is which is also sad right i mean yeah there's even just star trek right
• 25:17
  you just just you know i want a coffee okay here's your coffee i don't know i think there's a lot of
• 25:25
  corruption in star trek is there i think so really it was all kirk wasn't it that rat bastard
• 25:34
  somebody's getting paid somehow yeah yeah there's a reason there's a reason they do things they're
• 25:41
  not always as upfront as they uh make themselves out to be yeah no i agree and and in general it's
• 25:47
  It's just a really great fantasy idea, right?
• 25:50
  But, yeah, okay.
• 25:54
  I don't know.
• 25:54
  But, yeah, money, root of the problem right there.
• 25:57
  The love of the money It is yeah It that greed you know that need for power status and money Mm You know which is unfortunate because these are technologies that like thorium reactors you know one of the really cool things about them is you can put them in a grid thing and literally your neighborhood could just have a thorium reactor that was also connected to other neighborhoods
• 26:25
  and if one goes down it's in a grid just the other one just beefs up a little bit the other ones
• 26:32
  so yeah you know and it works off of demand right it's it's a pretty interesting if you've never
• 26:39
  you know checked it out um you know go go do some looking into it it's pretty fascinating right
• 26:46
  like i said china's actually built one and they're you know i don't know where they are and and making
• 26:51
  go live. I want to say it was 2026.
• 26:54
  They're going to, you know, throw
• 26:55
  the switch. That's huge.
• 26:58
  That's a
• 26:59
  huge thing, you know.
• 27:02
  Why aren't we doing that?
• 27:05
  Because we
• 27:05
  haven't figured out how to make Thorium
• 27:07
  kill people, I think.
• 27:10
  Yeah.
• 27:12
  Well, I don't know.
• 27:13
  Can we make a bomb? No.
• 27:16
  Can we do something? No.
• 27:18
  It doesn't.
• 27:19
  Well, then what good is it?
• 27:21
  yeah now i mean looking at my electric bill it's kind of crazy that's just the charges they stick
• 27:32
  on there it's enough to infuriate you they charge you a customer fee like i gotta pay a fee to be a
• 27:40
  customer well yeah what is that yeah what is that garbage that's that's right next to the additional
• 27:46
  fee yeah i got fuel surcharge and there's like yeah you need your electricity that's what you need
• 27:54
  anyway so i i see you're wearing your first outerwear of the season a little chilly this
• 28:02
  morning i am yeah it was i don't know what it got to but there was frost on the on on some of the
• 28:09
  stuff that had been shaded no sun on it all right yeah i don't think we were a little chilly this
• 28:15
  morning going out it was 44 degrees yeah i think we were for us is like arctic yeah i think we got
• 28:21
  down to like 39 or something like that yeah we still did our walk well good how was it mrs mrs lx
• 28:30
  was uh crying a little bit oh no don't don't tell her i told you though well okay delete delete delete
• 28:39
  that's all right she'll get over it she okay her back was hurting her a little bit but
• 28:45
  yeah yeah she stuck it out like a trooper yeah that's back pain is just such a bummer
• 28:53
  really is it's like the worst has it been bothering her more lately or
• 29:00
  uh yeah probably the weather a little bit i think because it's been a little colder
• 29:04
  Cold weather, yeah.
• 29:06
  Arthritic stuff, which is pretty common.
• 29:10
  If you end up having back stuff, eventually it turns into some kind of arthritic crud, I guess.
• 29:18
  Yeah.
• 29:19
  Yeah.
• 29:19
  So, I mean, looking at the arthritis stuff and actually for my psoriasis, I've been doing a little.
• 29:24
  I started the research into this red light therapy stuff, which I really didn't know anything about.
• 29:30
  And I've been very, very skeptical about it.
• 29:33
  Like, how can just a red LED make, like, dude, how can I do anything to you?
• 29:38
  But apparently there is data on it, and it seems to be effective.
• 29:43
  It's just that the devices that are good are very expensive.
• 29:47
  So I want to make sure that I do the research before I make, you know, any purchases.
• 29:53
  Because you could buy these things cheap on Amazon, but apparently they're just junk.
• 29:58
  Garbage, yeah.
• 29:59
  Yeah, that don't do anything.
• 30:00
  it's kind of like the you know the massaging you know things and they have the that one that
• 30:07
  thumps or whatever i think oh yeah like that yeah those things are are you know not so expensive
• 30:15
  right well when i had back pain i went to a chiropractor and he had one and i was talking
• 30:21
  to him like oh should i get like one of those thumpers or something and he was like no do not
• 30:27
  do that and i'm like why he goes they they don't have like the tips on them and everything else
• 30:32
  you're more likely to end up causing muscle damage than you are to solve it you know what i mean or
• 30:38
  causing a problem and so he we got one that uh we use and we only use it on the very lowest setting
• 30:45
  but it was one that he suggested it's got different tips right and he suggested we stick with this one
• 30:51
  round you know kind of padded mushy tip thing and he said just use this do not put pressure
• 30:57
  you know in fact the weight of it alone is more than enough um and it really helps but the cost
• 31:04
  difference was big right and you're like dang so yeah it's kind of they probably looked identical
• 31:13
  or very similar at least there there were a bunch out there that looked very similar yeah
• 31:19
  but only this one that had you know actual backing from a community of people that are
• 31:26
  you know knowledgeable right um and others will say they do etc but yeah it's it kind of sucks but
• 31:35
  you know hey if it works i mean that's a huge thing right all right i mean so with these red
• 31:43
  light devices i'm finding that the the more expensive ones they actually gave you like 60
• 31:48
  days to try it and return it and there's no restocking fee on it some of these cheaper ones
• 31:53
  they give you like 30 days unopened to return it which what good is that yeah you know and then
• 32:01
  some of them will even charge you a restocking fee to return it so apparently they're not very
• 32:05
  confident that you're going to like their device or something i don't know yeah well you know if
• 32:11
  it's if it's just literally ready leds you're probably not going to get any benefit right
• 32:17
  exactly plus a lot of those places will just take the chance that you're just not going to
• 32:23
  get to the post office and you're not going to restore return it in time etc exactly i don't know
• 32:32
  i'll keep looking at it i did find a guy on youtube that's all he does is do reviews of
• 32:39
  these things oh really but i just found this channel yesterday the red light stuff yeah i mean
• 32:47
  they got like full body panels you know like but dude they're like several thousand dollars which
• 32:52
  i'm not prepared to do but they got smaller ones too yeah i heard they have like like full beds
• 32:57
  like a tanning bed they do red light or whatever they got like little rolly carts that you can put
• 33:04
  the panels out like horizontally and put it like over a bed while you lay in it and like you know
• 33:10
  like a tanning bed almost they got like full tanning bed things that you know almost 10 grand
• 33:15
  that's what i was talking about the tanning bed do you just lay down the clamshells down
• 33:20
  has a little program they got like like uh certain nanometers that you know that are effective they
• 33:29
  got red light they got blue light they got green light they got amber light and it's very overwhelming
• 33:35
  like just learning what what actually works and then like for different different ailments
• 33:41
  different lights are apparently more effective than other ones really so it's not it's not a
• 33:47
  catch-all kind of thing either i wonder if probably not but maybe i wonder if hyperbaric
• 33:54
  stuff would be helpful i wonder it seems to be very helpful in a lot of areas man that thing is
• 34:02
  just going insane today it's like hey you're you're a ghost i'm very very uh luminous i wonder
• 34:11
  michael jackson actually had a hyperbaric chamber that's just rumor probably no there are people
• 34:18
  he can afford it there are people that have them but honestly why have your own you can go to a
• 34:23
  place and get in a chamber if you want to.
• 34:27
  I mean, if you don't like going out in public, it's nice to have one out.
• 34:30
  This is true.
• 34:31
  I'm sure you can relate to that.
• 34:32
  I absolutely can, but I don't have a hyperbaric chamber.
• 34:36
  No.
• 34:37
  No.
• 34:38
  Not yet.
• 34:40
  I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen.
• 34:42
  I just don't see that in my future or anything.
• 34:46
  How about a pet chimpanzee?
• 34:47
  And I've spent a lot of, well, absolutely not.
• 34:51
  I choose life.
• 34:52
  Thank you very much.
• 34:54
  Those things are, no, no thanks.
• 34:58
  No.
• 34:58
  Did you see that there was a tractor trailer full of monkeys?
• 35:04
  I think rhesus monkeys that were infected with herpes and hepatitis and stuff that overturned on the highway.
• 35:11
  They were headed to Florida, of course.
• 35:13
  Yeah.
• 35:14
  I thought it overturned in Florida.
• 35:17
  I think it was in Louisiana or something.
• 35:19
  Oh, okay.
• 35:20
  For some reason.
• 35:21
  Mississippi?
• 35:22
  i don't know somewhere over there i remember the article and i saw that it was going florida all i
• 35:27
  saw was florida so i was like oh yeah really they were sending them here well he did that thanks they
• 35:33
  did that here too they had monkeys escape and they have this this island apparently this big island
• 35:39
  not big right it's probably pretty darn small as far as islands go but yeah they they do these
• 35:45
  research monkeys and they do whatever testing they do when they're done with them and they can't
• 35:49
  continue testing on them for whatever probably i don't even want to guess because it's probably
• 35:54
  some terrible thing but i'm sure it's horrible they take them and release them on this island
• 36:00
  well a bunch of them got out on the on the mainland in north carolina it's like oh crud dude
• 36:09
  what's wrong with them and they're like oh it's fine it was just a research facility
• 36:13
  don't worry about it yeah these ones on the crash truck and they're not even like
• 36:19
  normal monkeys they're like very people aggressive monkeys of course they are well i would imagine
• 36:25
  most monkeys are people aggressive they don't they don't know you they don't know who you are
• 36:30
  and they're you know yeah most wild things are not your friend right and you see have you seen
• 36:39
  this video this woman was kayaking or something in florida of course and uh all these monkeys
• 36:45
  just start jumping out of the trees into the river yeah like i did i didn't think those things
• 36:51
  could swim man i thought like water was like a natural barrier like dude imagine we were kayaking
• 36:56
  out there and these monkeys start falling out of the trees like hundreds of them no i'd be putting
• 37:01
  on the afterburners i'm out of here okay i'm gone see you hung up on a log that's it i'm in the river
• 37:08
  i'm swimming i'm out like i see these videos of people like visiting like india and stuff going
• 37:15
  of these temples and like getting swarmed by monkeys it's like my nightmare fuel no thank you
• 37:22
  yeah i'm i'm not interested one bit yeah yeah i'm with you on that i just no i don't know that's no
• 37:30
  no no no i don't some people think they're cute i don't know i mean i think they're cute on a video
• 37:36
  i don't mind seeing them on a video that's that's it though yeah i don't want them outside like you
• 37:43
  know what i mean just like they can stay over there like you guys that that florida thing i
• 37:48
  was i was reading up on it and it's just a it's a small area it's fairly contained right now but
• 37:54
  probably so were the of course so were the you know pythons and so were the iguanas and
• 37:59
  so were the crocodiles uh but none of it is anymore you know what i mean um so yeah i don't
• 38:06
  know hey us luckily we freeze i don't think monkeys like frozen stuff so i don't know they
• 38:13
  get fur i'm sure they can handle it i i don't yeah i think they're more tropical type of
• 38:19
  climate monkeys but you know let's i'm gonna hope right i'm gonna hope you keep your monkeys down
• 38:26
  there with you along with i don't think they get monkeys in wyoming yeah probably not i'm gonna
• 38:34
  I guess, no, there's no trees.
• 38:36
  Well, that's not true.
• 38:37
  There are trees.
• 38:38
  I'm kidding.
• 38:38
  But, yeah, probably not.
• 38:43
  Anyway.
• 38:45
  That's monkey talk for today.
• 38:47
  Yeah, but that is interesting, right?
• 38:48
  I did not know that there was an area in Florida,
• 38:51
  and apparently someone just had monkeys,
• 38:53
  and they decided to let monkeys loose out there,
• 38:55
  and then they grew into a I don know what they called among a band of monkeys a flock of monkeys There is a monkey island where we went kayaking Is there really
• 39:09
  There is.
• 39:12
  A little bit further up from where they dropped us off to go.
• 39:16
  Is this a tourist attraction thing or is this like it just occurred?
• 39:21
  Well, it's part of that wiki wachi place, yeah.
• 39:24
  No, it's been there for years and years and years.
• 39:27
  So they brought in monkeys.
• 39:28
  they have well that's how they got down to that other place in florida too yeah it was a but is
• 39:32
  it cypress gardens or something is it like that where they're just like i don't know i don't think
• 39:37
  they have as many no so someone just released them and they're out in the wild uh yeah
• 39:46
  i don't know if they like uh you know get them fixed or whatever before they stick them on there
• 39:52
  but i mean i i haven't heard of any escaping there they just kind of like live there they
• 39:57
  They got like a little house and they're like on an island.
• 40:00
  They have a house.
• 40:01
  I don't know if they feed them or they got to feed them, I guess.
• 40:04
  If they're staying there, they're being fed.
• 40:06
  Yeah.
• 40:08
  That would be my guess anyway.
• 40:09
  It's usually a pretty big motivator for leaving an area if there's no food.
• 40:15
  Yeah.
• 40:15
  So if you go to that little theme park, they got their own little boat.
• 40:18
  It's not in the kayak area where we went, but, you know, they bring you past it.
• 40:22
  And you can, oh, look at the monkey island.
• 40:23
  There they are.
• 40:26
  I'm good.
• 40:27
  That was probably that big boat that went by us, right?
• 40:30
  Yeah, that's it.
• 40:31
  All right.
• 40:36
  You want to go visit them next time?
• 40:38
  Uh-uh.
• 40:39
  All right.
• 40:43
  Monkeys are interesting to me.
• 40:47
  I like reading about them and seeing pictures of them and seeing videos of them.
• 40:54
  And that's enough for me.
• 40:55
  I'm good after that.
• 40:57
  I mean, some seem really affectionate.
• 41:02
  Okay.
• 41:03
  But so do lions and tigers.
• 41:06
  They seem like they're pretty affectionate.
• 41:07
  You know what I mean?
• 41:08
  Oh, look at the cute little kitty.
• 41:10
  You know, bears look like they could be potentially affectionate.
• 41:13
  I don't know.
• 41:14
  But, you know, those big white fluffy bears.
• 41:18
  Oh, how cute.
• 41:20
  But, you know, same with bears.
• 41:22
  Bears do look kind of cute, though.
• 41:23
  I mean, I'd have to resist the urge to pet a bear.
• 41:27
  I would not.
• 41:28
  I would not.
• 41:30
  Like, just the idea of reaching my hand toward a bear.
• 41:34
  No.
• 41:35
  No.
• 41:36
  Because, no.
• 41:37
  Like a bear cub?
• 41:38
  The bear cubs, they're adorable.
• 41:40
  They are.
• 41:41
  They look like, Rottweilers look like little bear cubs.
• 41:43
  They really do.
• 41:46
  They are.
• 41:47
  They're adorable.
• 41:47
  I think they're so awesome.
• 41:49
  And, no.
• 41:50
  Just no.
• 41:51
  You know, no.
• 41:53
  Like, no.
• 41:55
  That's nightmare fuel right there.
• 41:58
  Because that thing isn't going to kill you and then eat you.
• 42:01
  It's literally going to put its paw or body weight on you while it eats you, while you're alive.
• 42:10
  You know what I mean?
• 42:11
  I'm good.
• 42:12
  No thanks.
• 42:13
  They're not like a mountain lion.
• 42:16
  Its whole attack purpose, it's going to come up and try and get the back of your neck,
• 42:21
  sever your neck, and kill you.
• 42:22
  And then it'll eat you.
• 42:23
  what was that show in the 70s like gentle ben you never watch that
• 42:27
  bears are nice man i'll i'll let you have that and don't pet the fluffy cows right they're not
• 42:36
  nice either they don't like you they don't want to be petted they don't they don't want you near
• 42:41
  them so stay in your car and enjoy the scenery and leave them alone yeah that's all right i i don't
• 42:49
  like horses you know i don't like horses i mean i i like them enough i just they intimidate me
• 42:54
  because they're big like a big horse teeth to grab you with fangs yeah big sharp fangs
• 43:02
  maybe it's just that i haven't been around the right horses i guess maybe they they can be i
• 43:08
  mean it is a huge animal right i mean this is an animal that's way taller than you or me um it's
• 43:15
  it's a muscle i mean the the entire thing is just one gigantic muscle with little tiny feet with
• 43:21
  teeth with little tiny feet yes they do have teeth to chew with that is true they're very good at
• 43:29
  you know chopping grass off and then the back ones are real good at mushing it up and somehow
• 43:34
  they get enough protein from that to sustain that's 1200 you know 1000 to 1200 pounds of muscle
• 43:42
  from grass that is crazy how about ponies those are probably nice right
• 43:49
  come on now we already did this in a meme form no ponies ponies are buttheads they're
• 43:58
  really really really bad buttheads in general don't get me wrong about donkeys um donkeys
• 44:05
  can be
• 44:06
  donkeys are in
• 44:08
  my experience you're more likely to
• 44:11
  find a friendly donkey
• 44:12
  that's just friendly than you are
• 44:15
  to find a friendly pony
• 44:16
  that's my experience
• 44:18
  ponies are kind of
• 44:21
  they'll have little temper tantrums
• 44:23
  and they can be kind of
• 44:24
  brats and you know they bite
• 44:26
  they like to bite and they're just
• 44:28
  in general
• 44:30
  mischievous
• 44:31
  whereas donkeys
• 44:34
  most donkeys not all like a typical pasture donkey
• 44:38
  you're hit or miss right I wouldn't go on the pasture with the donkey if I didn't
• 44:44
  know right but a donkey that's you know
• 44:48
  you know kind of used in a packing packing situation
• 44:53
  where you you know put you know basically a pack saddle
• 44:57
  on a donkey which is essentially a frame that you can tie a bunch of heavy stuff
• 45:01
  to right um those kinds of donkeys and most of the donkeys you'll find with you know small farms
• 45:08
  and stuff like that they're more like pets they're guard dogs is what they usually are um and so
• 45:13
  they're fine now don't bring a dog dog around one without you know unless the owner is like yeah
• 45:19
  you're cool because they they don't they're really good guard dogs they will kill coyotes really i've
• 45:25
  heard that yeah in a very gruesome manner like you know think what was that marvel thing with
• 45:33
  the hulk and an iron man where he's got the iron man he's like smashing him on the concrete like
• 45:38
  this oh they just grab him like that yeah they grab him and they'll fling him around and smash
• 45:43
  him on the ground and yeah it's a pretty brutal thing to to witness yeah but they will do that
• 45:51
  as far as ponies go essentially they sound kind of like the chihuahuas of horses that is 100% what
• 45:59
  they are they are the chihuahuas of the horse world they they just yeah napoleon complex or
• 46:07
  something i don't really know nice you know it's like what why why are you like this right but yeah
• 46:13
  but then again i mean if you didn't know like your uh your guardian livestock dogs they're
• 46:20
  ginormous you'd think that they're mean but they're super nice well they are if you're if you're with
• 46:26
  us you know but yeah you know we've had people doing work or whatever and going and it's not nice
• 46:33
  they're like oh yeah we know we don't we don't want anything to do with you um and then they're
• 46:39
  also you know they are livestock guardian dogs they view our house dogs as a threat oh they do
• 46:46
  Oh, yeah. I would not. We can't. You know, we don't take our dogs down to the barn for that exact reason.
• 46:54
  We don't want them to think.
• 46:55
  You've got like two separate packs on the property then, huh?
• 46:57
  We do. And we don't want them to think that another dog is okay.
• 47:00
  Because there's been a lot of people around here that have had, you know, not coyotes, actual dogs come in and, you know, tear up livestock.
• 47:09
  so we we need to keep it that way so they don't see all dogs as being okay which also puts in
• 47:18
  question the coyote piece i didn't know that yeah yep so we keep those two separated there's the
• 47:26
  house dogs and then there's the the livestock guardians and the livestock guardians are sweet
• 47:31
  they're they're really pretty they're so they're they're awesome they're they're just amazing dogs
• 47:37
  uh great pyrenees is just an amazing breed of dog for that purpose i i would caution anyone don't
• 47:45
  i would just say don't right get a pyrenees for a house dog i just it's not they're bred they're
• 47:54
  one of very few breeds what is it them they anatolian and there's only like five maybe
• 48:02
  breeds of dogs that are like real legitimate livestock guardian dogs they're really good at
• 48:09
  what they do they need a job they need a job yeah um and they they'll create a job if they don't
• 48:15
  have a job they will they will go find a job you won't like it no you won't sometimes that involves
• 48:21
  like getting out and going and being on someone else's farm to take care of their stuff you know
• 48:26
  um you know so yeah i i just and they they also like to bark a lot at night at everything
• 48:35
  it's kind of good if you're a lifestyle guardian dog not so great if you have a house to pet
• 48:42
  yeah i did see something interesting the other day um i had never seen before it was a uh
• 48:50
  a mixed dog that was half Malinois and half border collie.
• 48:58
  Oh, that just sounds terrible.
• 49:00
  Why would you do that?
• 49:01
  That's just, oh no.
• 49:04
  The only thing, the only thing in the world, I think, that even compares to like the prey
• 49:10
  drive and hyperness of a Malinois would be a border collie and it's like one on steroids.
• 49:17
  So you just.
• 49:18
  Yeah.
• 49:18
  Yeah.
• 49:18
  that why yeah so yeah that was my question apparently they they worked with this dog a lot
• 49:27
  and that dude it's super smart and i mean they got to train to do all kinds of tricks it's like
• 49:32
  you know dancing and doing the it loves the frisbee thing and you know like they they do
• 49:37
  shows with it i guess you know like exhibition shows he's happy looks happy enough but nah dude
• 49:42
  that's not definitely not a dog that you want to sit around you on your couch with that's the
• 49:46
  it probably wouldn't work out for you yeah right that's the kind of dog for exactly what you just
• 49:51
  talked about where your life your job everything it revolves around that dog oh that that 100%
• 49:58
  what it is you know like one minute it's walking the tightrope and you know then you can teach it
• 50:04
  to like load your dishwasher and do your taxes rinse the dishes rinse the dishes first
• 50:11
  get them all nice and i mean they're super smart oh yeah no both both of those breeds are
• 50:18
  extremely intelligent yeah but that's just a lot to put together that's like breeding in the
• 50:28
  the nightmare fuel for pet ownership right there we had one when i was growing up uh on this
• 50:36
  farm I lived on and
• 50:38
  this thing was
• 50:41
  insane. We had
• 50:43
  logging trucks that would go up and down
• 50:45
  and it had this thing with tires.
• 50:48
  Go figure.
• 50:49
  That's dangerous. Yeah.
• 50:51
  But it was
• 50:53
  a really cool dog.
• 50:54
  It also
• 50:56
  had so much room
• 50:58
  and
• 51:00
  something like that's going to
• 51:02
  need either someone
• 51:04
  again full time taking care of the dog exercising training keeping it engaged and interested or it
• 51:11
  needs lots and lots and lots of area right no that's my my thought on that yeah i agree yeah
• 51:21
  that's that's insane that's that's a really interesting pair though i mean yeah i've never
• 51:27
  seen that before yeah yeah i'm really good at the frisbee thing oh i imagine yeah i mean you know
• 51:36
  uh border collies are one i think they're like the primary yeah dog for that right yeah yeah
• 51:43
  yeah don't don't even bother with a six-foot fence that's not gonna work no no
• 51:49
  just heck yeah i don't yeah who knows how high they i mean you've you know i've seen these
• 51:57
  jumping competitions before what are you gonna put up a 24-foot wall exactly then climb up the wall
• 52:04
  like spider-man
• 52:05
  Mm-hmm.
• 52:08
  So you got anything planned today?
• 52:10
  Costco run?
• 52:11
  Oh, we got all kinds of stuff.
• 52:13
  We've got a bunch of stuff.
• 52:15
  No Costco run today, I don't think.
• 52:19
  We need to go get some screws at the hardware store for some hooks.
• 52:24
  We need to get muck buckets dumped on the compost pile.
• 52:30
  We need to – we got a lot.
• 52:34
  we got a lot to do so we clean up a couple of areas uh you know get things ready we've got
• 52:42
  someone coming to uh pressure wash the house on friday and so we got that we got we got a lot
• 52:51
  we got a lot to do yeah it's always fun having guests right like you scramble around getting
• 52:56
  stuff ready and yeah it's it's a good thing but you know hey it's it's also work so has to be done
• 53:04
  though what are you gonna do yeah yeah we got carpet cleaner dudes gonna be coming too oh wow
• 53:15
  all the things yeah well that needs to happen anyway right i mean if you have carpeting you
• 53:20
  should be doing it probably you know we do it once a year probably twice a year but
• 53:25
  once a year seems to be doing all right you know yeah yeah we don't have any carpet left anymore
• 53:34
  yeah once the dog destroyed it we're not gonna do the carpet thing anymore
• 53:39
  yeah i mean it's nice but you know hey a little throw rug here a little throw rug there you're
• 53:46
  fine yeah that's what we do yeah i've had you know i've been in places that were primarily you know
• 53:53
  tile or or wood before as well our old place i think there was no carpet in it none yeah just
• 54:01
  wood yeah old wood floors yeah yeah back in the 1950s or something when it was built it was
• 54:07
  just old really cool i mean it's a really kind of cool place it just
• 54:12
  grew up around us a little bit.
• 54:18
  Yeah.
• 54:19
  That happens.
• 54:21
  It does.
• 54:21
  It does.
• 54:24
  Happens everywhere.
• 54:25
  People.
• 54:27
  People.
• 54:28
  People.
• 54:29
  It's like that Mr. Smith thing
• 54:31
  when he was talking about humans being a virus.
• 54:35
  Do you remember that?
• 54:36
  I don't know.
• 54:37
  What's that?
• 54:37
  Oh, The Matrix?
• 54:39
  You probably haven't seen that either.
• 54:40
  Oh, yeah.
• 54:41
  Yeah.
• 54:41
  I have seen that movie.
• 54:42
  Oh, okay.
• 54:44
  One of the three movies I've seen, probably.
• 54:46
  He's got Morpheus in the chair, right?
• 54:49
  And he goes and he pushes his finger against his forehead and you can see the sweat.
• 54:55
  And he's like, you're a virus.
• 54:59
  That's kind of true.
• 55:00
  Yeah.
• 55:00
  He went on in this little kind of monologue and, yeah, I mean, okay.
• 55:07
  I can't, I guess, argue the point, right?
• 55:10
  Hmm.
• 55:11
  was it was that guy ai
• 55:16
  i guess a form of it huh yeah i mean in general the matrix was probably ai right
• 55:23
  the ability to create the world and and kind of have you engaged in it and tuned into the whole
• 55:31
  you know system if you will yeah that's pretty interesting thought that's kind of what the you
• 55:39
  know what we were talking about earlier with the ai right uh one of the things they kind of want to
• 55:44
  maybe do right upload consciousness into an ai all right i mean i don't want to do it but hey
• 55:51
  on the surface it doesn't sound bad i'm sure a lot of people would go for it
• 55:55
  hey we'll load you into this uh digital realm and you can be the king of your
• 56:00
  universe and do whatever you want to happy yeah i'm sure a lot of people would go for it
• 56:06
  There's probably a good amount.
• 56:08
  Yep.
• 56:09
  But then what do we do?
• 56:10
  I don't even want to think about that stuff.
• 56:14
  That's just too weird for me.
• 56:17
  It's just too weird.
• 56:19
  It's just too much.
• 56:22
  Time to start writing books.
• 56:25
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 56:27
  I'm too lazy to write a book.
• 56:29
  Me too.
• 56:30
  It takes a lot, man.
• 56:32
  I have a lot of respect for writers.
• 56:36
  I just, excuse me.
• 56:42
  Give it a shot sometime.
• 56:43
  If you ever want to, you know, think about this, just give it a shot sometime.
• 56:47
  Just go ahead and write a, you know, start writing a book.
• 56:51
  Better yet, just outline a book.
• 56:52
  What do you want to do?
• 56:54
  Just outline it.
• 56:56
  It takes work.
• 56:58
  I mean, that's a lot.
• 57:00
  Imagination, a lot of creativity.
• 57:02
  A lot of dedication.
• 57:05
  Yeah, it's not an easy thing to do, I'd imagine.
• 57:09
  What if you just ask, like, ChatGPT and say, hey, here's an idea.
• 57:13
  Write me a book.
• 57:15
  I'd probably do it for you, right?
• 57:19
  Okay.
• 57:19
  I'm sure people are doing that already.
• 57:20
  I'm sure they are.
• 57:22
  And, you know, just like the content that comes out with it, it's probably easily identifiable as such would be my statement on that.
• 57:32
  for now
• 57:34
  dude there's so much AI garbage out there
• 57:38
  there is and some of it looks pretty
• 57:40
  if you look carefully you can spot it
• 57:44
  you can for now
• 57:46
  the cadence of voices
• 57:48
  but even more than that there's this one thing that's
• 57:52
  missing from all of it which is that human
• 57:55
  characteristic
• 57:56
  it can't create really
• 58:01
  It can just take pieces of information it has and put them together.
• 58:09
  Does that make sense?
• 58:11
  Yeah, no, it does make sense.
• 58:12
  So that's where, you know, I think there's a lot of nuance that comes in with the way we are, right?
• 58:21
  How we think, how we feel, right?
• 58:24
  And how we feel dictates a lot of, you know, what we put out in the world, right?
• 58:32
  So it's an interesting thing.
• 58:34
  I see a lot of benefit to it.
• 58:36
  I really do.
• 58:37
  But I also think we're on the cusp of a bubble with it of some form.
• 58:43
  Maybe I'm wrong.
• 58:44
  Maybe I'm totally off base here.
• 58:45
  And I could be.
• 58:47
  It's a very, very real possibility.
• 58:49
  Don't, you know, take my word for it.
• 58:51
  and certainly don't make any kind of a decision based on what I said.
• 58:56
  But that's kind of what I'm seeing.
• 58:59
  I've lived through this kind of a thing before and watched it,
• 59:03
  and it seems very, very similar.
• 59:07
  But it doesn't mean it's going to go away.
• 59:09
  It doesn't mean anything of the sort, right?
• 59:11
  I think it'll just realign it with a bit more reality, right?
• 59:15
  It's not what everybody's touting it to be.
• 59:19
  It's not the be-all, end-all.
• 59:21
  There have been several organizations, companies or whatever that have, you know, done things like gone all in to replace a workforce and then subsequently had to, you know, pull that back.
• 59:33
  Now, they didn't stop using it.
• 59:35
  They still use it.
• 59:36
  And it probably likely reduced the amount of people they needed, but doesn't stop the need for the people.
• 59:43
  At least today.
• 59:44
  Who knows?
• 59:45
  Who knows what will happen 10 years from now, five years from now, six months from now.
• 59:51
  was that on on what was it on i don't remember on such and such a date skynet became aware
• 1:00:01
  i don't know we're headed there well i mean i think it's already aware
• 1:00:09
  enough to where it will pull shenanigans to not be shut down even though it's not
• 1:00:17
  It was even I think in that instance if I recalling correctly it wasn that AI you know it was like hey we they going to put a new model out it new it it better it improved so as a result
• 1:00:31
  you know you're going to be shut down so it wasn't like the lineage was going away either it was just
• 1:00:37
  i don't want to be shut down yeah i'm sorry hal i can't do that i've never seen that movie though
• 1:00:44
  I know that part of it.
• 1:00:46
  I've seen that clip, but I've never seen that movie.
• 1:00:48
  Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  It's an interesting take on it.
• 1:00:54
  It's the same thing.
• 1:00:55
  Most of the movies that have been released around this subject all have a component of them that go to that.
• 1:01:06
  Maybe not all, but there was another one.
• 1:01:09
  What was it?
• 1:01:10
  I'm going to say the name, and maybe it's not the right movie,
• 1:01:13
  but I think it was something like, uh, X McKenna or something like that.
• 1:01:19
  And there was an AI in a, uh, you know, an Android, a robot.
• 1:01:24
  Um, but it, you know,
• 1:01:26
  the guy goes out there to do the touring test with it and it passes.
• 1:01:29
  He falls in love with this robot.
• 1:01:31
  He finally gets it out of the facility and then it's like, see ya.
• 1:01:35
  Well, it just wanted out.
• 1:01:38
  So, you know, it, you just pay attention to all that.
• 1:01:42
  and we're witnessing the same thing now who's to say that it's not inferring from those references
• 1:01:48
  as the books which are available to it that this is something it should want to do you know i don't
• 1:01:56
  know it's probably seen all those movies that i haven't seen yeah or read the script or something
• 1:02:04
  I don't know how capable it is of taking, you know, a moving, a movie, a full feature film and digesting the video audio portions and doing that.
• 1:02:17
  I don't have any idea.
• 1:02:20
  I know it can create them based on input from someone, but I don't know if it can actually read it in and take the visual cues and things of that nature.
• 1:02:32
  Right.
• 1:02:32
  whereas the script it would get all the visual cues in there like oh you're shocked or you know
• 1:02:39
  act surprised during this part you know what i mean or whatever
• 1:02:43
  yeah i don't know how do they create those video clips like you see on uh
• 1:02:50
  tiktok or facebook or any of them things um you they have different ais that are
• 1:02:57
  better at certain things and really it comes down to the prompt right you just have to be very
• 1:03:03
  specific about your prompting and what you're we're looking to see right kind of like the
• 1:03:09
  sir knight video where where it's got the i that took me i don't know how many iterations of prompt
• 1:03:16
  to get it to do what it did and still wasn't perfect but you know pretty darn good for just
• 1:03:21
  typing text into a screen you know so are those like subscription services or how do they do they
• 1:03:28
  most of them have some some free capabilities but if you want to go you know and really fine
• 1:03:35
  tune things then yeah most of them will be a subscription like just like chat gpt and most
• 1:03:41
  of the others are and then you get credits or whatever and you can use your credits how that
• 1:03:46
  works yeah so yeah i don't know i never really looked into it yeah it's it you know i think it's
• 1:03:54
  it's very like for that right there that was very useful because i couldn't put that together there's
• 1:03:59
  no way just i don't i lack the i mean i could have if i you know took classes and you know all
• 1:04:07
  this stuff and and learned all the stuff that goes into doing that but i can't you know i don't have
• 1:04:13
  time for that like just say for instance i wanted to take a make a video of you reading whatever
• 1:04:19
  script that i gave it it could do all that okay and it just takes past video and compiles it and
• 1:04:27
  makes something that's barely believable except you probably don't have a thumb or you got two
• 1:04:33
  thumbs or something yeah i've seen i i can't recall if you can upload a video but you can upload an
• 1:04:39
  image. And then, yeah, I think you can do a video as well, but you know, most of the time you either
• 1:04:47
  start with a prompt or you start with an image and then a prompt, right? Using this image, you know,
• 1:04:54
  do, you know, change the sky green and, you know, put a moon with a, you know, a lint flare,
• 1:05:02
  you know, coming off, you know, from around it as if a sun were behind it and, you know,
• 1:05:08
  put the following vegetation in the foreground and in the background have trees and I'd like a
• 1:05:15
  little river here, but make the river kind of a luminescent pink. And, you know, you're just
• 1:05:21
  describing exactly what you want to see. And then you get something and you go, yeah, that's not what
• 1:05:25
  I wanted. And then you try and tweak and tune until you finally get something that's close or
• 1:05:29
  to what you want. Yeah. And I'm not saying those people that do this stuff don't put in work.
• 1:05:36
  I just think the con you, you, I think for me, I would rather see the work being done by a human and doing the creative process and then coming to the end of it.
• 1:05:48
  It seems like that is quite typically better content.
• 1:05:53
  It's, it's got that nuance, that feeling to it.
• 1:05:56
  Whereas the AI stuff just seems cold and, and just here's the thing.
• 1:06:01
  You know what I mean?
• 1:06:02
  I have seen
• 1:06:04
  more recently
• 1:06:07
  maybe just because it popped up on my
• 1:06:09
  algorithm on YouTube
• 1:06:10
  people taking
• 1:06:11
  classic songs that
• 1:06:14
  you would know and reimagining
• 1:06:17
  them in different
• 1:06:18
  sound styles like
• 1:06:20
  say for instance
• 1:06:21
  Guns N' Roses done in
• 1:06:25
  a
• 1:06:25
  Soul and RB version
• 1:06:29
  or something and I mean they don't sound
• 1:06:31
  horrible they you know like if you didn't know i i it's hard for me i i couldn't tell that it was
• 1:06:36
  ai but it like i i don't know you know how much longer there's going to be actual you know musical
• 1:06:44
  artists anymore because if they can create that out of nothing it's and then they're already
• 1:06:50
  highly producing most of these acts that are out there anyway as far as yeah i mean it goes back to
• 1:06:58
  my whole thing on movies and to an extent music as well.
• 1:07:03
  Right.
• 1:07:03
  I mean,
• 1:07:03
  I have George straight CDs that I listened to,
• 1:07:07
  right.
• 1:07:07
  An actual CD.
• 1:07:09
  Um,
• 1:07:10
  and movies,
• 1:07:11
  I tend to gravitate towards stuff I've already seen.
• 1:07:15
  I don't know why.
• 1:07:16
  I just,
• 1:07:17
  it's comfortable.
• 1:07:19
  It's there.
• 1:07:19
  It's whatever.
• 1:07:20
  I enjoy it.
• 1:07:21
  Right.
• 1:07:22
  Um,
• 1:07:22
  yeah,
• 1:07:22
  at some point you're right.
• 1:07:24
  I mean,
• 1:07:24
  more and more is just going to be AI.
• 1:07:26
  you may not even recognize it
• 1:07:29
  I don't know at that point I may just
• 1:07:31
  stick to all
• 1:07:33
  my old stuff
• 1:07:34
  sorry we'll see
• 1:07:37
  who knows maybe it'll get really good at it
• 1:07:39
  maybe it'll put out authentic stuff
• 1:07:41
  that has feeling and
• 1:07:42
  you know emotion and nuance
• 1:07:45
  in it but I just don't
• 1:07:47
  see it it doesn't seem like
• 1:07:49
  something it's capable of doing
• 1:07:51
  yeah
• 1:07:53
  maybe someday I don't know
• 1:07:55
  It's just interesting. Something to think about.
• 1:07:57
  I kind of hope not, but that's just me.
• 1:08:00
  I think that that would be not good.
• 1:08:08
  But who knows? Maybe it would turn out to be wonderful.
• 1:08:12
  Maybe the machines are in everything and then we just get to go do whatever we want.
• 1:08:17
  Something tells me that's not going to happen.
• 1:08:19
  right?
• 1:08:20
  I think
• 1:08:22
  that's not how our world is put together
• 1:08:26
  right? It's not put together
• 1:08:27
  to let people go do what they want
• 1:08:30
  and you know enjoy life
• 1:08:31
  and things of that nature. Just
• 1:08:33
  not.
• 1:08:35
  Yeah.
• 1:08:36
  You're probably right.
• 1:08:38
  But who knows Right now I hoping our seedlings come up yeah what do you got what kind of seedlings oh we got broccoli and Swiss chard and radishes
• 1:08:53
  and lettuce and beets and carrots and what else bok choy and yeah some just
• 1:09:05
  winter type veg yeah ours are doing really good yeah yeah we started a bit happy we started a bit
• 1:09:13
  late but we'll see hopefully it'll come up it looks like we're going to get one more round of
• 1:09:18
  squash hopefully oh that's nice we had we had a volunteer come up a zucchini and it put out like
• 1:09:25
  a little zucchini and i was like oh you know maybe we'll get a zucchini and then i went and looked and
• 1:09:30
  unfortunately had a hole in it.
• 1:09:33
  Oh.
• 1:09:34
  Yeah, and the turkeys got interested in our
• 1:09:36
  garlic. That's another thing. We planted a bunch
• 1:09:38
  of garlic. They didn't
• 1:09:40
  eat it. They just pulled it out of the
• 1:09:42
  ground. Like, you little buttheads.
• 1:09:45
  Nice. Not
• 1:09:46
  all of it. Just like four cloves
• 1:09:48
  or something. Five cloves.
• 1:09:50
  And I'm positive it was them because they're
• 1:09:52
  in there and they don't like
• 1:09:54
  garlic, really.
• 1:09:57
  So they were probably just interested
• 1:09:58
  and what is this thing and they pulled it out and they were like oh hey just left it there no no
• 1:10:03
  damage no nothing just pulled it out and left it like i don't like that thing did you put it back
• 1:10:10
  or too late no i put it back it hadn't rooted yet that i know of it's only been a week yeah
• 1:10:15
  yeah we're about ready to get our uh onion starts out there and then start another we're going to
• 1:10:23
  start a succession batch of onions again see how that goes yeah we need to do that we've tried a
• 1:10:30
  few times to grow onions and haven't had much of in the way of success yeah so i don't know we
• 1:10:37
  do you guys do starts or do you guys do from c yeah now we start them inside with from c
• 1:10:44
  got those lights that yeah okay yeah yeah seeds that we saved from our plants from last year yeah
• 1:10:50
  that's probably what we need to do is try and get some and let them go to seed and then try and
• 1:10:55
  germinate and go because we've tried starts you know what i mean and uh just haven't had you know
• 1:11:02
  a whole lot of success with them yeah i mean the first year we ordered them from somebody online
• 1:11:08
  and they send you just you know like the little plants in the you can get like short day or long
• 1:11:12
  day or whatever and yeah we just planted them out there and then from that that's we're kind of where
• 1:11:17
  we got them from yeah and we're all short day I think for us anyway yeah I had to change the
• 1:11:23
  our lights on them I think they had them too long they start to bulb a little bit early I guess yeah
• 1:11:29
  yeah I want to do that another thing that's just annoying to me is I can't seem to grow
• 1:11:36
  cauliflower to save my life we just yeah we get a bunch out there well you guys you guys kind of
• 1:11:44
  have the ideal setting for it right i want to say it's like it wants something like it's a 20 degree
• 1:11:53
  temperature range that it really wants outside of that it'll either bolt or you'll have you know
• 1:11:59
  the head will will be very loose and and bad humidity is important for it it's just got a lot
• 1:12:06
  of very specialized things so i i kind of think we're probably not going to be able to grow it
• 1:12:14
  successfully, not outside anyway.
• 1:12:17
  Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  You got the hoop house, you could throw it in there.
• 1:12:20
  The high tunnel, yeah, no, that's, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:12:24
  We've tried it in there.
• 1:12:26
  And we've suffered in there.
• 1:12:27
  We've tried it covered outside.
• 1:12:30
  This last year was about the best that we got.
• 1:12:32
  But the problem is we come into spring and we'll have one day just shoot up to be real hot.
• 1:12:39
  And that's enough.
• 1:12:40
  And it's like, okay.
• 1:12:44
  kind of like yeah no it's frustrating for me she she enjoys it more than i do but
• 1:12:50
  i'll eat it hey yeah i like i like that too so yeah
• 1:12:56
  what are you gonna do i don't know keep keep trying get their aqua yeah
• 1:13:04
  big bottle of water is good for you water is wonderful i love water yep i got mine right here
• 1:13:17
  yay yeah you know it's one of those things you just have to keep trying right it's it's a
• 1:13:25
  you know like we're our side field slowly very slowly but we're getting more and more stuff
• 1:13:31
  planted but sometimes you go and plant stuff and it goes yeah i don't want to live here and and then
• 1:13:37
  it ties and it's just like okay you can either spend a bunch of time remediating that or you can
• 1:13:42
  just go okay well what would work there let's let's try and find something right and maybe that'll help
• 1:13:49
  establish and then maybe we go back to the original and you know put that in with what's there
• 1:13:55
  but it's it's a lot of hit or miss especially in the ground right raised bed a lot less
• 1:14:01
  because you're basically, you know, you're creating the environment for the plant.
• 1:14:07
  Whereas, you know, in the ground, you've got to, you know, kind of roll with the punches, you know.
• 1:14:12
  Just might not be a good spot for that particular type of plant.
• 1:14:17
  Like we've lost, I don't even know how many pawpaw trees, trying to plant them in different places.
• 1:14:24
  and I actually have
• 1:14:26
  an acquaintance
• 1:14:29
  that I know that
• 1:14:30
  has been trying to grow pawpaw trees on their
• 1:14:33
  property for a while
• 1:14:34
  and they're just kind of like I'm just scattering
• 1:14:37
  them at this point
• 1:14:38
  somewhere it's
• 1:14:41
  going to take
• 1:14:41
  because they're native to the area
• 1:14:44
  so they do want to grow here
• 1:14:47
  but they want their own
• 1:14:49
  specific type of conditions
• 1:14:51
  to grow and do well
• 1:14:53
  yeah so and we just yeah we're getting a little kickback on some of our stuff that
• 1:15:00
  i just don't think it's going to do well here or it's not practical i don't think we're quite
• 1:15:05
  warm enough for the bananas yeah i don't know i mean the citrus should do good here it's just not
• 1:15:11
  why maybe just a little too far up maybe maybe i don't know yeah i don't know i don't know
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  again, it's one of those things, you know, you try, if it doesn't work, you know, try somewhere else
• 1:15:25
  if you can, otherwise try something different, you know? Yeah. We're going to try something
• 1:15:30
  different next time. Yeah. And you know, I mean, you guys, you, you guys, you know,
• 1:15:39
  do you have a lot of stuff that you can chop and drop? Um, not really. I mean the bananas,
• 1:15:47
  I guess but excuse me we should give you we should grab some at least maybe a couple elderberry canes
• 1:15:57
  that might work they're pretty good for chop and drop you can be pretty aggressive with them and
• 1:16:03
  they'll just keep going back and they'll patch so as they patch out you can do this and you can
• 1:16:08
  then make elderberry tincture and stuff like that which is good for you so it's good stuff
• 1:16:13
  I need to learn how to better manage the blackberry plants.
• 1:16:19
  I know there's some kind of skill to it.
• 1:16:21
  I just don't know what it is.
• 1:16:23
  I know you have to chop them some way to get them to produce more.
• 1:16:31
  They're just kind of going everywhere.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah, we just kind of left ours alone, and they produce well.
• 1:16:37
  You've got more room.
• 1:16:38
  You can kind of do that.
• 1:16:39
  Yeah. The more we mess with them, it seems the, the, and maybe we're, maybe again, we're
• 1:16:45
  not messing with them correctly, but it seems like if we just leave them alone, they come
• 1:16:50
  back the next year and and do even better So yeah Yeah They you know they an interesting plant as well They want they want I love blackberries Yeah They want to spread but we got some down in our raised bed garden that won spread too much compaction and it right up on a fence line so i can really get in there and do the
• 1:17:14
  broad forking and stuff like that so is what it is it's doing well produces a bunch of blackberries
• 1:17:21
  every year. We planted more
• 1:17:23
  in different locations. Some of it's
• 1:17:25
  doing really well, some of it's not.
• 1:17:27
  Yeah.
• 1:17:28
  You got any raspberries out there? We do.
• 1:17:30
  Are they going to be ready when I get up there?
• 1:17:33
  No, they're done.
• 1:17:35
  We're in the wrong season.
• 1:17:37
  It's way too cold for berries.
• 1:17:41
  There's not going to be much in the
• 1:17:43
  way of food here
• 1:17:44
  unless you want to go collect nuts.
• 1:17:47
  How about the leaves? Are the leaves turning?
• 1:17:49
  They are. Although we had
• 1:17:50
  Are we going to miss it?
• 1:17:52
  Are we going to be too late?
• 1:17:53
  No, there's still a lot of green out there.
• 1:17:56
  The thing that's a little, I don't know how it's going to work out, right?
• 1:18:01
  Because we've had a pretty big drought.
• 1:18:06
  And my understanding is the trees during a drought situation,
• 1:18:11
  they've still got very long tap roots.
• 1:18:13
  They're tapped into moisture somewhere.
• 1:18:16
  But if it gets dry enough, my understanding is they'll protect themselves
• 1:18:19
  by trying to go dormant and dropping all their leaves.
• 1:18:23
  Oh, okay.
• 1:18:23
  And so we just got some rain, so maybe that'll change things.
• 1:18:27
  I don't know if it was enough, but my fear is we're not going to get much color.
• 1:18:30
  It's just going to go brown and drop.
• 1:18:33
  All right.
• 1:18:34
  So we'll see.
• 1:18:34
  We'll see.
• 1:18:35
  We've got some color out there, though, so it's promising.
• 1:18:39
  Nice.
• 1:18:39
  It should be in a very good range of color when alpaca hits.
• 1:18:45
  Awesome.
• 1:18:45
  Yeah.
• 1:18:46
  I hope so, because I love that time of year, too.
• 1:18:48
  This time of year.
• 1:18:49
  Me, too.
• 1:18:49
  year this time of year i can't wait yeah yeah and i'm sure you guys will get a bunch of it on the
• 1:18:58
  drive up right oh yeah probably and and even more on the way home well because each day that goes by
• 1:19:06
  a little bit more comes in until all of a sudden all the trees are naked you're like what happened
• 1:19:12
  you know that's i i kind of imagine that that's where out in the sticks came from
• 1:19:17
  like because in the winter here if you're out in the forest or wooded areas it's everything well
• 1:19:24
  there's some that are evergreens right but the majority of trees out here are sticks at that
• 1:19:30
  point there's no leaves just a bunch of sticks which is kind of cool but it can also be kind
• 1:19:35
  of spooky at night you know if you're out there in there yeah it's pretty weird
• 1:19:39
  yeah we're not gonna go rock hunting i don't need to be carrying any rocks this year are you sure
• 1:19:47
  yeah i found a cute a few good ones oh nice probably only way rocks herself probably only
• 1:19:54
  way like my wife loves rocks 140 pounds or something you know
• 1:19:59
  anyway you're you're welcome to you can send your wife on the rock hunting
• 1:20:09
  all right i'll have her i'll have her tag them and you can you can load them aboard
• 1:20:14
  We can put them in the tractor if you want.
• 1:20:17
  There you go.
• 1:20:19
  Bring them back.
• 1:20:21
  We just got to get them out of the tractor and into whatever vehicle.
• 1:20:25
  Therein lies the problem.
• 1:20:27
  And then comes the bigger problem.
• 1:20:29
  Once you get home.
• 1:20:32
  Then you got to get them out of that vehicle and into position.
• 1:20:37
  Wherever.
• 1:20:38
  I think we're pretty good on rocks.
• 1:20:39
  You sure?
• 1:20:40
  I noticed a distinct lack of rocks last time I was there.
• 1:20:44
  I bet you did.
• 1:20:47
  I'm going to go out there, flags, just little flags.
• 1:20:50
  I'm going to go find the flags.
• 1:20:52
  You'll find cool rocks.
• 1:20:54
  Nice.
• 1:20:54
  I wouldn't do that.
• 1:20:55
  I might, actually.
• 1:20:57
  Yes, you would.
• 1:20:59
  No, I found some cool ones.
• 1:21:01
  We get this white quartz rock thing.
• 1:21:04
  You've seen them, right?
• 1:21:06
  Yeah.
• 1:21:06
  I thought for sure someone had brought them in.
• 1:21:08
  and maybe they did and they've just
• 1:21:12
  scattered them around and buried a few
• 1:21:14
  but apparently
• 1:21:15
  I'm guessing it's natural out here
• 1:21:18
  I really don't know
• 1:21:19
  most of the rocks just look like
• 1:21:22
  rocks though but
• 1:21:23
  you've come across these little white quartz rocks
• 1:21:26
  and they're pretty cool
• 1:21:27
  I learned the other day that
• 1:21:29
  amethyst is just quartz that's
• 1:21:32
  dyed purple by stuff
• 1:21:34
  by stuff?
• 1:21:35
  yeah like iron and other kind of deposits
• 1:21:38
  really I didn't know that I always thought amethyst came from volcanic activity no no it's just it's
• 1:21:46
  just white quartz it's dyed with iron and other deposits well that's new to me I've never heard
• 1:21:53
  that yeah I'm not a not a rockologist a geologist either there's a name for that too I don't know
• 1:22:05
  I forget what it is.
• 1:22:06
  Yeah.
• 1:22:07
  It's a rockologist.
• 1:22:10
  A dirtologist.
• 1:22:11
  That one place we went to, up in the mountains there, that guy seemed to like rocks quite a bit.
• 1:22:16
  Yeah, I mean, I've known people that are into geology and stuff, and they really dig on it.
• 1:22:21
  It's pretty interesting, too, but it just never was interesting to me.
• 1:22:25
  I mean, that was his job, but he seemed to really dig rocks a lot.
• 1:22:29
  Yeah.
• 1:22:33
  What are you hearing?
• 1:22:35
  well hello good morning say the good morning
• 1:22:41
  and she closed it this time that was pretty cool nice i don't think she did pretty consider it
• 1:22:55
  all right well we're at an hour and 22 minutes or so so oh okay yeah we'll go ahead and wrap
• 1:23:03
  it up here you think yeah we're good all right we'll have to go find a rockologist
• 1:23:09
  a dirtologist geologist i think a geologist maybe i know the coin dudes are called uh
• 1:23:17
  numismatists yeah i did i did know that one yeah numismatic which seems weird because it
• 1:23:24
  almost sounds like pneumatic which is not coins but you know so who knows what are stamp stamp
• 1:23:32
  people are like philatelists or something?
• 1:23:34
  That I don't know.
• 1:23:36
  I think that's what it is. Philatelist.
• 1:23:38
  Okay. I think so. It's an interesting
• 1:23:40
  word. I gotta look that one up
• 1:23:42
  now. Alright.
• 1:23:49
  Let's see.
• 1:23:49
  Or am I maybe just making stuff up?
• 1:23:51
  Maybe.
• 1:23:55
  Yeah.
• 1:23:56
  Philatelist is a person who collects and
• 1:23:57
  studies postage stamps.
• 1:23:59
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• 1:24:01
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