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Football At Four: Mosher's Top-5 Eagles Camp Storylines · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Jeff Moscher from the Inside the Birds podcast is here,
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  and of course it is the final Football at four
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  before the Eagles do report now tomorrow, they just report.
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  There is no practice tomorrow. The practices begin on Wednesday.
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  Nick Sirianni will talk on Wednesday morning for the first time,
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  and we'll have that press conference for you here on
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  the Sports Bast Live on ninety seven three espre And let's.
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  Speaker 2: Bring Jeff Mocher in.
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  Speaker 1: This is the final Football at four before the Eagles report.
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  Speaker 2: That means the summers over. Mocher, that's it. This summer's over.
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  Speaker 3: Toy. You do that to me, Michael Gil Do you
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  not do that to me?
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  Speaker 1: Well, we started about a month ago and was like, oh,
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  we got about a month's the training camp and now
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  we are at training camp.
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  Speaker 2: The players will report tomorrow. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: They just signed to get there. There is no functions
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  or practices. This is just the first day that everybody
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  has to get to the novercare And imagine they got
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  to get weight in all that stuff to make sure
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  that they're not overweight, get fined all that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and then you know they take I think
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  they still do the test. The fitness tests and everything
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  like that. You got to pass that. There have been years, Mike,
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  where players have not been able to start the first
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  day of practice or had to be put on pup
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  because or NFI. I forget which one it was would be,
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  but because they did not make it through the fitness test.
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  But I think in the last few years they've been
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  fined with that.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, each of us today have our five biggest
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  stories going into training camp. These are the five things
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  that we will both be watching most. As his list
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  of five, I have my list of five things. So
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  let's start with number five, Jeff Moser, of things that
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  you are intrigued by at Eagles training camp.
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  Speaker 4: Well, everything starts upfront for the Eagles, on both defense
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  and offense. Right, So when we start, I'm going to
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  go to defense because that side has lost the most
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  starters and was the number one ranked defense in the
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  last year. And there's no question that Olton Williams was
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  an enormous part of what they do and they have
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  to make up, as I've said many times, not only
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  the snaps that he played, but the high level production
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  within those snaps that he played, and the people who
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  are tasked with making that up are Moro Adjoemo, who
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  is a seventh round pick. You've got Jordan Davis, who
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  the coaches have said, you know, they liked what they
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  saw from a pass rush standpoint over the last few
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  weeks in postseason of last year. And of course the
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  rookie Ty Robinson. So that's that's where i'd start, is
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  sort of that interior, that second interior rusher in the four.
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  Speaker 3: Man rush next to Jayleen Carter. Who's it going to be?
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  Speaker 2: All right? Number five for me?
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  Speaker 1: I kind of threw this all encompassing because I wrote
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  just all the cowl they all materialized right guard, corner, safety,
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  d tackle, linebacker. I think the camp battles, there's a
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  lot of competition. So the competition at camp coming off
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  of a Super Bowl and all of these up for
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  grabs add to competition. So the camp battles and competition
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  would be my number five thing that I'm watching for.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Look, these could all be individual.
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  Speaker 1: Stories, but I think there's so many other stories that
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  I just lumped in the camp battles as my number
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  five because I think competition is good, especially for a
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  team that won a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: No complacency here. Jeff Moscher, Oh.
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  Speaker 3: Not at all.
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  Speaker 4: You can't be replace And I like that you started
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  off in a big picture. I I zerode in on
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  one spot. You went to a big picture one.
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  Speaker 3: I like that. All R gonna go a little big
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  picture too on the next few.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, number four, let's go, Jeff Moscher.
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  Speaker 1: What is your fourth story that you'll be watching starting
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  at training camp?
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  Speaker 4: So and I will be watching it, and I don't
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  know how much of an answer will be able to get.
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  So this is sort of an entering training camp. But
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  really about the season is the concept of opening up
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  the offense, the pass offense under Kevin Petulo? What does
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  that mean? What does it look like?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 4: How do you open up this offense and continue to
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  also be a dominant ground game. And when you do
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  open up the offense, how successful will it be? Because
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  other coordinators and coaches have tried to do this and
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  it's not always worked.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm very curious to see what that meet, what
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  that looks like.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: I might I have one that's similar to that but
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  a little different coming up in just a little bit here.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll get to that one. First.
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  Speaker 1: Let me give you my number four. My number four
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  is Jalen Carter. Will he continue to get better? This
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  was the guy last year who kind of led your
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  defense in year two? What kind of player is he
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  in year three? That third year is really the big jump?
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  Does he take another huge jump from game record? What's
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  the next level do you get to? And if he
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  gets to that next level, what does that mean for
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  this Eagles defense? You know, they lost a lot of pieces,
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  he loses Milton Williams, They've lost a lot of pieces.
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  But what if Carter takes another big jump forward in
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  year number three? I'm gonna be watching what kind of
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  Jalen Carter the Eagles will be getting in his third
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  season in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he played at such a high level mic that,
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  but he's so young, and I know that, you know,
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  Adam and I have talked about this on the podcast.
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  There are certain things that people have watched him play,
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  say he can even get better on with his head.
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  You know, right now he sort of gets by on
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  being this freak of nature and violent hands. But once
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  he starts to put technique and you know, other things together,
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  you know you're gonna he's gonna get double team even more.
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  This year learning how to beat those he's going to
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  be If he can do those things, he'll be an
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  absolute monster of a player.
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  Speaker 1: That's our number fours. Let's go to number three, Jeff Mosher. Third,
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  biggest story you're watching at Eagles training camp?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know and and last year or you know it,
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  only it didn't take too long to start to notice
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  that you weren't noticing Bryce Huff right, the big ticket
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  free age and signing.
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  Speaker 3: So even though.
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  Speaker 4: You hit the quarterback, you get a pretty good idea
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  of what you got on the edges, just based on
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  explosion and one on ones and things like that. And
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  this edge group, to me, Mike really comes under the microscope.
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  Eleven total starts between Jalx Hunt and Nolan Smith. I
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  cannot remember the last time the Eagles had an edged
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  tandem that had such little experience. Right, you're trying to
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  replace Josh Swst, you're trying to replace Brandon Graham, and
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  you drafted both of these guys pretty high. They ended
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  the season on a really high note. But now everybody's
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  had all off season to kind of prepare for them.
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  And as we say, progress in the NFL is not
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  always linear. Sometimes you take a step back. Sometimes, you
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  you know, you're never as good as you were your
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  one or.
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  Speaker 3: Year two just happened. So I'm very very.
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  Speaker 4: Interested to see the developments that Jilex Hunt in particular,
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  but Hunt and Nolan Smith make here starting in camp.
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  Speaker 1: All right, great minds think alike Number three for me
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  on the edge. Will Jalx Hunt and Nolan Smith take
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  that next step to become star players? I mean Hunt
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  and Smith. I think both had very good short burst
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  last year. Smith came on really in November and then
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  really came on in the playoffs. Hunt came on after
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  the Brandon Graham injury and was very good in the
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  playoffs as well. But can both of those guys sustain
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  a full season of production? I think that sounds like
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  a story you're watching as well. Do these guys both
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  become legitimate full time seventeen game pass rushers? You know,
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  I have questions about Nolen last year. You know, hey,
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  his rookie year, he did nothing. The first half of
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  last year he didn't do much, and now he has
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  put himself on the map to where we say, hey,
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  is this guy a double digit sack guy?
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  Speaker 2: Is he becoming one of these great pass rushers? In
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  the league.
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  Speaker 1: This is the year we'll be looking for that. And
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  genalks Hunts a complete wildcard. I mean, this guy third
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  round pick. Many people didn't think he'd make an impact
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  at all last year, Jeff Boscher, he didn't only make
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  an impact, he has now forged himself into the conversation
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  for starting edge rusher on this team.
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  Speaker 2: So on the edge big story for me. We agree
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  on that.
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  Speaker 1: Plus how does josh Usha and Azizo Jalari factor in,
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  if at all, on the edge for this defense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great point because in a best case scenario,
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  all four of those guys are playing really well. That
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  gives Vic not only a good rotation, but maybe even
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  some optionality. If someone proves that they can move inside
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  like Jaylex Hunt, and you can throw three edges on
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  the field, one of them playing you know, the inside
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  rusher position like Brandon Graham did in twenty seventeen, that
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  just could present a different look that teams might struggle with.
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  So really looking forward to seeing who emerges there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, number two, Jeff Boscher, what do you got?
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  Speaker 3: Number two?
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  Speaker 4: I went a little bit big picture and sort of
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  like what you're talking about job competition, but specifically.
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  Speaker 3: The prove it guys. There are a couple of guys
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  this year that have to really prove it. Obviously.
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  Speaker 4: One of them is Killy Ringo, another one of Sidney Brown,
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  Tyler Steen, right guard, Jeremiah Trotter junior at linebacker opposince
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  Zach Bonn. So these are guys that you're looking at
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  because the microscope is on them at this stage of
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  their careers to either seize the job or the Eagles
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  have to kind of play some one year veterans around
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  them that may not make them as good as they
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  want to be.
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  Speaker 1: Our number two for me is a tough one because
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  it is joh Had Campbell and what is his injury
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  situation and what will his role be? I mean, I
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  want to watch him in training camp. I don't even
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  know if he's gonna be able to be out there.
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  When is he going to be out there? And when
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  he is out there, what is he doing?
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  Speaker 2: Where? What room is he in?
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  Speaker 1: Is he hanging out with the linebackers? Is he in
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  the edge room? Is he what is joh Hyde Campbell?
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  And when will he be able to play?
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  Speaker 2: Jeff?
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  Speaker 1: You could talk more about this, but you know last
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  year Cooper Degen missed time and that calls him to
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  miss the first quarter of the season. Is Campbell going
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  to be behind? Is this going to limit the versatility
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  that many people think that he has. When will he
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  be out there? Is going to be out there Wednesday?
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  Is he going to be out there to ready to
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  play in any of the preseason games so that he
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  can find his Niching role. That's got to be one
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  of the big stories. Is your first round pick that
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  many people thought could be a top ten player fell
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  to you because of injury. How will that injury affect
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  the twenty twenty five start to his season.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question, and some people, you know,
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  I think it was Vic Fangio who said he's not
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  even gonna be ready until August.
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  Speaker 3: But guess what August is next Friday.
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  Speaker 4: So if it's early August, that could be a lot
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  sooner than we think. If it's late August, then we're
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  looking at five to six more weeks of seeing him. So,
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  you know, they were intentionally I'm sure vague and not
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  saying when in August, but everybody will look forward to
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  seeing him get out there, and then when he does,
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  how does the acclimate into this defense?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely is a big, big storyline.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, August seventh, the Eagles will have their
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  first preseason game against the Bengals, and you can hear
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  that game right here on your home for Eagles Football
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  ninety seven three ESPN. Will Johed Campbell play in that game?
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  I would assume not, even if he back, I would
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  assume that they want to take it slow with him
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  and that he would not be on the field in
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  that first preseason game. So Campbell number two for me,
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  which takes us to the top of our list, the
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  number one biggest story that we're both watching at Eagles
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  training camp.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Bosher, what do you got?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I call this category repeat offenders, But I mean
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  this in a good way.
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  Speaker 3: When I say offenders.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see if a number of guys who
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  played out of their mind last year and emerged at
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  the top of their positions can carry this over or
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  if that was a flash in the pan. And I'm
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  sure you can imagine who I'm speaking of, but obviously
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  one of them is Zach Bonn. Another one is Quinnon Mitchell,
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  another one is Cooper to gen and then even the
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  quarterback at the end of the year, he may not
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  have had the greatest regular season, but.
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  Speaker 3: Boy did he play out of his mind in the
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  Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 4: Right, Jalen hurts, So, can these four guys have the
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  kind of well, three have the kind of year and
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  one just kind of piggyback off of when he was
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  last on the field, because this team's going to need
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  it again. When you have as much turnover as the
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  egos have, you really can't afford to have guys taking
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  a step back or plateauing at certain positions.
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  Speaker 3: And I think.
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  Speaker 4: Bond Cooper Mitchell, I'll really have my eyes on only
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  because we've seen this a little bit with corners where
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  they have some early success and then maybe the next
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  year they're not as good and then they had to
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  kind of build themselves back up. So it's a tough
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  position to play. And everybody has seen him now and
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  they've seen his strength and his weaknesses, so very very
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  you know, my eyes are on those four guys. Can
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  they continue to do it the way they did last year?
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  Speaker 1: I think definitely think the Bond one is going to
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  be intriguing to me, is, Hey, this guy came out
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  of nowhere to have an all pro level season that
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  got him paid. Can he play at that level again.
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  We asked that a lot, like, hey, you were this
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  good last year, can you do it again? That will
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  be I think it definitely should possibly maybe overlooked on
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  my list of things that we didn't put on the
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  But number one for me, what's next for Jalen Hurts?
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  Is there another level to him that he can get
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  to with the new offensive coordinator? You know, we saw
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  a very good Jalen Hurts last year, but at times
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  people ask questions about Hurts. You know, hey, what's going
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  on here? Is there something that he could do better?
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  There's been a lot of talk about him this offseason.
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  What's the next iteration? If there is another iteration of
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  Jalen Hurts? Is he continuing to ascend? Is he plateauing?
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  Is he flatlining? Is that okay? If he does? What
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  kind of role will he have in the offense this year?
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  I think last year obviously was kind of uneven but
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  very good. And you know how many quarterbacks in Super
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  Bowl lore are guy who throw for under two hundred
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  yards a game?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I even wrote about that for Philly
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  Voice last week.
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  Speaker 4: I just there are only like five quarterbacks who have
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  averaged who had the numbers that he had last year,
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  which is like fewer than three thousand yards and fewer
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  or the same or fewer than eighteen passing touchdowns and
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  won a Super Bowl and there's just not that's a
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  very small small list, and so.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be Yes, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be interesting that that falls
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  in line with my opening up of the offense. Number
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  four thing, and what is that next step? I really
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  would like to spend some time this year. I'm going
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  to try to do this more talking to some NFL personnel,
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  but some real quarterbacks. I like to talk to more
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  quarterbacks about this. Maybe I'll try to get ron Jiwarski
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  on the phone, because he really Jalen Hurts did some
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  incredible things last year. Just from a stylistic standpoint. You know,
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  if you go back to the championship game against Washington
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  and even the Super Bowl, I don't believe he attempted
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  or completed any passes between the numbers within twenty to
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  thirty yards. You know, he obviously had to dagger to
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  Jalen Hurts on a post, but he really did not.
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  He basically ignored that whole part of the field and
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  cater to his strengths, which is throwing outside the numbers.
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  And I just wonder if quarterbacks who played the bsition
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  and succeeded think that he can continue to have a
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  really successful career that way, or if eventually he is
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  going to have to be able to utilize that part
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  of the field more.
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  Speaker 1: That to me, right, the quarterbacks thing, and it just
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  you know, he he he and itself. He's a guy.
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  Oh he's not rated high enough. He's won the super Bowl,
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  He's the MVP of the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: He's not rated high enough. He better than this guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, He's always going to be a story because
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  of the nature of He's not a slam dunk on,
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  you know, star player in everybody's mind. I think there
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  are a lot of people out there that acknowledge it.
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  He's very, very, very good and important. But what is
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  next for Jalen Hurts? And there's so many other stories
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  that you know, did not make our top five. I
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  think one of yours that maybe I overlooked is the
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  repeat Offenders.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was a good one. With that group
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  of guys.
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  Speaker 1: There is Zach Bond going to be the same player,
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  Is Cooper Degen gonna have another you know, great year.
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  Team's watch tape now and see what he struggles with.
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  Same with Quinnon Mitchell. Think another guy you got to
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  throw into the mix there that you got to keep
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  an eye on is Ken who replaces Milton Williams And
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  do you get the same level of production out of
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  that spot?
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  Speaker 2: And how does that affect?
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  Speaker 1: You know, my number four story, which was Jalen Carter
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  the defense as a whole, How did five new pieces
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  fit into that defense?
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  Speaker 2: That to me is something we got to keep an
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  eye on too.
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  Speaker 3: That was my number five. It was Moro Jomo, Jordan Davis,
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  and ty Ty Robbinson.
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  Speaker 4: How can they It's not about I just think we
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  all fall into a trap. Moro Jomo played really well
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  in the snaps that he played. He played about thirty
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  six percent of the STAPs last year, and so it'll
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  be easy to draw a line from X to Y
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  to say, well, then he's just going to fill in
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  Milton Williams snaps.
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  Speaker 3: But that's sort of under.
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  Speaker 4: Appreciates just how well and how dominant Milton Williams played.
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  Speaker 3: Now, maybe that's a function of just being next to
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  Jalen Carter. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: We'll find out because mill Williams ain't playing next to
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  Jalen Carter, although Christian Barmore is pretty good, but not
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  Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 3: We'll find out.
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  Speaker 4: But again, now that Moro is going to be asked
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  to play more and the magnifying glasses on him, it's
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  a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see, we'll see what the plan is there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned Ty Robinson too. There was a
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  lot of people excited about that pick. Does he have
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  any impact this year? Do the Eagles say, look, you're
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  kind of red shirt in this year or no, you're
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  getting thrown into the fire and we're hoping that we
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  get something from you. I think that's something that we'll
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  find out in this camp as well, because you're going
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  to start to hear, hey, this guy's really standing out earlier. No,
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  he's behind and they ask some other guys that they liked.
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  You know, that's something that I think you mentioned his name.
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  I haven't heard his name really since the second week
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  of the post draft. Is hey, they drafted a guy
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  that they had a lot of excitement about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Listen, what I've seen from Vic Fangoe is if
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  you can play, he'll play you.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So he was already starting to play.
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  Speaker 4: Joe and Jilex hunt last year after a couple of
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  weeks of playing well on special teams.
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  Speaker 3: So if Ty Robinson can play, he'll play.
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  Speaker 4: You may not play a ton of snaps because Moro
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  Jomo might be killing it, but he'll play.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll see it all unfold.
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  Speaker 1: Starts tomorrow when they report Wednesday, when Jeff is back
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  for football at four, they will have practice for the
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  first time this season to get ready and the Super
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  Bowl season will officially be behind them. All right, The
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  five biggest stories at Eagles camp. There you go, those
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  five and more, of course, and we'll be covering them
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  all here on the Sports Bash Live on ninety seven
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  three ESPN.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, see Mike.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there's Jeff Mosher everybody, of course for the
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  Inside of the Birds podcast Football at four here every
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  day you get football at four o'clock on the Sports
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