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Capítulo 115: Faketinos · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Commi's a myth and bullshit a radio
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Speaker 1: Look at Radio, we discussed the term chugi and we
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Speaker 1: and really into it because it's too late to change. Fine,
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Speaker 1: have kids eventually? Am I just going to be that
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Speaker 1: You know, We'll see, I guess we'll see. We were
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Speaker 1: just talking about this. It's true. It's true. After a
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Speaker 1: recently and we're excited to share who that was in
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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk a little bit more about
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Speaker 1: that about LATICX Heritage Month in general. Um, a little
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Speaker 1: bit in a little bit for this episode today. Oh yes,
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Speaker 1: there's so much to say, so much to share, so
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Speaker 1: much to analyze. We actually have a super fun fake
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Speaker 1: Tinos Fake Tinos this time part two to follow up
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Speaker 1: to our Fake Tinaz. Because we can't just hold women accountable,
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Speaker 1: we have to hold white men accountable for the things
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Speaker 1: that they do as well. So that's what this episode
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Speaker 1: m from of it and bill ship mum. We are
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Speaker 1: going to get into the main content, the main gardnet
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Speaker 1: of today's episode and the A is Fake Dinas Part
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Speaker 1: two because one of our early episodes of season five
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Speaker 1: beginning of the year was actually Fake Dinas and we
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Speaker 1: talked about the Triflin white people that pretend to be Latina,
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Speaker 1: have no direct connection to any Latin X Latin American
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Speaker 1: community ancestry, and literally take opportunities away from actual Latin
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Speaker 1: X people. Yes, I mean we discussed what I forget
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Speaker 1: their names. Jess La Bomballera was among them, chief among them.
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Speaker 1: There were others. What were there was like an attorney.
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Speaker 1: We don't necessarily want to give them more shine, but
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Speaker 1: we do want you to go listen to that episode
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Speaker 1: if you haven't already, because it's a good one, and
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Speaker 1: consider that like a preface to this one. You know,
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Speaker 1: this is a follow up. Yes, And something that we
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Speaker 1: noticed when we recorded that episode that it was actually
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Speaker 1: heavily based on women, on white women that were masquerading
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Speaker 1: as latina's And we were like, okay, but there has
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Speaker 1: there has to be some men, right that are also
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Speaker 1: doing this. And a couple of months later, I there
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Speaker 1: was this like again, I don't want to give it
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Speaker 1: more more hyper fan the flames, but there was this
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Speaker 1: new podcast, a proving podcast that it shall remained nameless,
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Speaker 1: and they had a white man on their podcast, um
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Speaker 1: and he would go by or one of his like
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Speaker 1: personas on Instagram was a gringo Masana. So you already know, um,
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Speaker 1: why that is so problematic. Um. And and so there
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Speaker 1: was like a really big community call in because folks
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Speaker 1: were really upset that this podcast would even have, would
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Speaker 1: even entertain a guest like that on their show. Um.
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Speaker 1: He started as like a literal, literal missionary, like a
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Speaker 1: Mormon missionary in Peru and ended up just staying and
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Speaker 1: is now like I don't know if he's a citizen,
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Speaker 1: but he he has he can legally quote legally work
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Speaker 1: in the country, like he's done that paperwork, and so
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Speaker 1: he's like very much like integrated into proving life in Peru.
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Speaker 1: And so this led me, this led me onto UM,
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Speaker 1: this very like dark rabbit hole of other men, other
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Speaker 1: white men that also do this UM, specifically in Latin America,
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Speaker 1: masquerade UM and take on certain cultures, identities, accents even
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Speaker 1: And so that's what we're gonna be talking about today.
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Speaker 1: It is a lot, and it's this whole little world
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Speaker 1: and this whole subculture I had no idea existed, but
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Speaker 1: it's like a whole network. There's like a lot of them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. And so but like let's
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Speaker 1: talk about why we're not naming them. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to name them. Let's talk about why we're not naming
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Speaker 1: him Mala. So Okay, we have been on the internet
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Speaker 1: for a long time now, many years, many years, and
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Speaker 1: in the digital like creative Latin X space, we've seen
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Speaker 1: our fair share of drags and call outs and just
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Speaker 1: general um focusing attention on like individual people for whatever
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Speaker 1: reason in mass right, and what we know to be
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Speaker 1: true now not only is people with who have experienced
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Speaker 1: social media at many different levels now just as account holders,
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Speaker 1: sometimes participating in drags, sometimes considering ourselves like social justice
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Speaker 1: oriented or just content creators or just viewers, but now
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Speaker 1: also being people who like, this is our job, like
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Speaker 1: social media, audio content, podcasting, this is how we make
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Speaker 1: our money, like this is how like these are our
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Speaker 1: careers because the internet space is a place where brands
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Speaker 1: can be built and businesses can be built and money
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Speaker 1: can be made. And so many people um don't understand
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Speaker 1: that online all engagement is good engagement, all of it,
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Speaker 1: even if you are ripping someone to shreds, even if
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Speaker 1: it's one of those like Twitter mobs that is just
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Speaker 1: ruthlessly going after someone. When you are looking at your
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Speaker 1: analytics and your impressions, you're seeing the millions of impressions
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Speaker 1: that you're getting and there's no breakdown of whether they're
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Speaker 1: good or bad, or callouts or support, because it doesn't
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Speaker 1: fucking matter on the numbers and the impression side of things.
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Speaker 1: And that's how you grow a person's account by giving
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Speaker 1: them impressions, by giving them engagement, And it literally doesn't
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Speaker 1: translate what the energy or the reason behind the engagement is.
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Speaker 1: The numbers are what translate. So when you give a
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Speaker 1: count any kind of attention, whether it's alleged callouts or accountability,
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Speaker 1: or whether it's praise, they function the exact same way
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Speaker 1: by giving that account more growth, more reach, more impressions.
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Speaker 1: Now this is not to say that we shouldn't hold
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Speaker 1: people accountable for things, or that we shouldn't um call
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Speaker 1: people out for bad behavior or abusive behavior. But the
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Speaker 1: other side of the coin, which is the material like
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Speaker 1: substance side of the coin that comes down to money
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Speaker 1: and to power. The other side of the coin is
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Speaker 1: that the more attention that you give somebody, the more
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Speaker 1: powerful that you make them. And we can give so
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Speaker 1: many examples of how directing your anger on to an
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Speaker 1: online platform does not actually result in that person being canceled,
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Speaker 1: or them losing money, or them being d platformed, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. There are other ways of act
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Speaker 1: divisum besides feeding someone's digital platform, which ultimately feeds their
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Speaker 1: wallet and their name recognition. So we don't like naming
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Speaker 1: the accounts or the that we find problematic because we
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Speaker 1: don't want to send traffic to that account. We don't
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Speaker 1: want to help grow the account, we don't want to
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Speaker 1: feed the account If someone is being sucked up online,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna, well, what are the other ways that we
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Speaker 1: can address this and hold them accountable. Starving somebody of
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Speaker 1: attention online is the worst thing you can do to somebody.
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Speaker 1: Not Giving someone engagement is the worst thing you can
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Speaker 1: do to a content creator. Ignoring a content creator is
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Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do to them in actuality, right,
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Speaker 1: because if I stay camped out in these fake Tinos comments,
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Speaker 1: I am giving them money and engagement. Literally, I'm handing
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Speaker 1: it to them, and they know that, and they don't care.
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Speaker 1: That's why they persist, That's why they keep going. That's
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Speaker 1: why R Kelly has credits on Drake's most recent album,
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Speaker 1: Certified lover Boy as he's as he's sitting through a trial. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think like we're both at the point where like
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Speaker 1: what are the call outs even for? Like do they ever, um,
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Speaker 1: do they ever actually lead to any material change? I
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Speaker 1: think oftentimes they do and oftentimes they don't. And so
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Speaker 1: I think like our approach right now is like a
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Speaker 1: case by case thing, Like like Mala said, We're not
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Speaker 1: saying don't hold anyone accountable, but I think this this
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Speaker 1: account in particular of these four because that this is
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Speaker 1: like what we found was that there's these four green
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Speaker 1: ghost quote and America Latina US sending all of y'all
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Speaker 1: to to go look at their account and their content
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Speaker 1: is not gonna have them move from Latino America and
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Speaker 1: back to their little white lives in the US, right, Like,
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Speaker 1: it's not this is their lifestyle, this is what they do,
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Speaker 1: This is how they obviously must make their money. And
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Speaker 1: so this for us, it's not worth naming them. However,
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Speaker 1: it is worth talking about because there this is definitely
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Speaker 1: um a thing that white people are doing everywhere, masquerading
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Speaker 1: as identities that are not their own and profiting right
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Speaker 1: and profit. And think about how even on TikTok there
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Speaker 1: is an entire type of content where it's just it's
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Speaker 1: people addressing the callouts in their comments section, and those
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Speaker 1: videos are racking up millions of views, you know, like
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Speaker 1: like the US I said, even even us sending our
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Speaker 1: listeners just to watch their stories, don't you know? We
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Speaker 1: send our story analytics to companies so that they can
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Speaker 1: determine how much they're gonna pay us. So if we
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Speaker 1: send a thousand of our followers and they have a
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Speaker 1: thousand more views on their stories that day. They're literally
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Speaker 1: going to report those numbers somewhere and make more money
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Speaker 1: and keep putting out that content because it's resulting in
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Speaker 1: more views for them. Yeah yeah, And I think, like
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Speaker 1: I'm not very involved in like travel Instagram, but like
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Speaker 1: that's its own community where they have like their own
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Speaker 1: stuff going on with like dive with brands and partnerships
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Speaker 1: and deals, and I know that that's a thing. There's
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Speaker 1: like really big travel accounts. Some of them are really problematic,
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Speaker 1: right Um. I saw one a couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 1: being called out by the Salvadoran community. Um. And you know,
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Speaker 1: so I think different communities within the Latino community, right,
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Speaker 1: um has their their own challenge or battle or call
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Speaker 1: call outs and call ins with different folks that are
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Speaker 1: profiting making content. Especially when you think that we're still
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Speaker 1: in a pandemic. All of the travel content that's created,
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Speaker 1: you know, raises lots of flags when the access to
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Speaker 1: vaccines in said countries in Latin America are not the
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Speaker 1: same as the US. Right, So there's so much at
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Speaker 1: play here, and um, I did want to share that
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Speaker 1: because you can find it if you want to. We're
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Speaker 1: not going to name it, but I will say they
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Speaker 1: have a nine followers, so they don't need our views.
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Speaker 1: That's more than that's more than what we have. Um
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Speaker 1: and the four countries that they quote represent are Pataway, Mexico, Bedu,
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Speaker 1: and Argentina. And the idea of their channel is to
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Speaker 1: create content that is adventurous, fun and educational, with the
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Speaker 1: goal to break stereotypes that unite America. Why Latino culture,
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Speaker 1: why Hispanic culture? What would four gringos be doing interested
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Speaker 1: in that culture? Why are we going out speaking the language,
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Speaker 1: eating their food, dancing, hanging out with the locals. These
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Speaker 1: are questions that maybe I asked myself from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: It was kind of weird to me. I know, maybe
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Speaker 1: these guys as well. These are things that we didn't
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Speaker 1: get until we actually broke through the surface and actually
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Speaker 1: immersed ourselves into the culture and then we saw the light.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, do it too. Well, if you're
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Speaker 1: really curious, go look. You're not gonna like it, you're
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Speaker 1: not gonna get But we're not telling you go look. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we're not and we're also not telling you not to go. Look.
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Speaker 1: We're not telling you anything. We're just saying yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I will say though that because the folks in the
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Speaker 1: Provian diaspora in the US were super fierce, um and
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Speaker 1: very intentional with their call ins that this this white
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Speaker 1: man did remove the gringo maspawano from his like bio
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Speaker 1: and I think his brand identity doesn't mean he's not
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Speaker 1: still creating the same content, but he did remove that phrase.
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Speaker 1: So I mean if in some ways the call in
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Speaker 1: did work. Yeah, And I think that it's like it's
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Speaker 1: so tricky and hit or miss because we've seen plenty
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Speaker 1: of examples where you know, bullying works and if if
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Speaker 1: you give something enough enough negative press, it just might change.
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Speaker 1: But we've also seen the flip side where um, you
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Speaker 1: give something a lot of negative energy and it fuels
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Speaker 1: it and you can never there's no way of knowing,
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Speaker 1: there's no way of knowing which direction it's going to go.
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's all about how you want to
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Speaker 1: spend your time and your energy and your who you
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Speaker 1: want to give your views on your streams, you know,
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Speaker 1: with no guarantee of the outcome, right right right? I think, Um,
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Speaker 1: this also raises the question or for me, when I
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Speaker 1: was like looking at these different accounts, I will say
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Speaker 1: something that I think is super cringe e And actually
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Speaker 1: I think it feels the stereotype is that all of
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Speaker 1: these these four men in particular, and they all of
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Speaker 1: them do it um, is that they all have like
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Speaker 1: adopted the accent from that the particular country that they
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Speaker 1: live in, like really heavily, to the point where they
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Speaker 1: sound like someone that was born and raised there, you know,
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Speaker 1: and grew up speaking language in that particular region of
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Speaker 1: whichever country. And I'm like, this is this is fake,
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Speaker 1: Like you're literally putting an accent on and this is
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Speaker 1: very performative and a caricature actually, so there's nothing authentic
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Speaker 1: about it um where it's like I think about myself
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't I don't have a like
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Speaker 1: coo Pruvian accent when I speak Spanish. I don't even
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Speaker 1: have a Mexican accent. I have a fucking I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: live in the US, you know what I mean? When
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Speaker 1: you do live when you do live places like it
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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. Yeah, And I think it's also
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Speaker 1: like people can tell, people can tell like this is
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Speaker 1: off the way that you're sounding right now, Where did
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Speaker 1: all that come from? Yes? Oh my god, this is
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Speaker 1: not related but I think because um, folks that are
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Speaker 1: non Caribbean like too, are very like, um, very obsessed
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Speaker 1: with Caribbean culture because it's very much a part of
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Speaker 1: pop culture. I do know, I do know this Mexicana
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Speaker 1: that is from the f A. Okay, she said chi
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Speaker 1: langa when she particular way of speaking, yes, yes, the
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Speaker 1: very specific way of speaking. You know what chi langa
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Speaker 1: when you when you hear one right when she drinks,
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Speaker 1: because they've been around her a couple of times, and
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Speaker 1: she drinks. When she drinks, she puts on a Caribbean accent,
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Speaker 1: and I was like, hold wait, hold on. I was
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Speaker 1: like anyone else, like is anyone hearing this? You know,
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Speaker 1: where does it come from? Oh my god? And so
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Speaker 1: I'm like what, like why are people so phony? Like
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Speaker 1: what is it? For? What purpose does it serve? And
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Speaker 1: it's also okay because is she like doing this around
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Speaker 1: like a bunch of other non Caribbean for to what
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Speaker 1: like to what to what ends? Yes? And no one wait,
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Speaker 1: no one say anything. Well my partner was like, what
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Speaker 1: the fun is going? M But she's not like she's
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Speaker 1: not like a friend, like she's just someone that's around
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Speaker 1: once in a while. Um, and this is obviously pre pandemic,
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Speaker 1: and so I was like, um, I can't say anything
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Speaker 1: that someone needs to tell her something, right, like honey, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean I think like for all of these people, um,
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Speaker 1: it's just very much exotifies said culture. Um, and that's
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Speaker 1: part of what makes it so cringe e and problematic
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Speaker 1: and like for me, it's kind of been like a
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Speaker 1: train wreck where I'm like I don't want to look away,
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Speaker 1: but I also don't want to give these people views.
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Speaker 1: But I'm also like this is a thing, like this
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Speaker 1: is its own community on here, and there's also like
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Speaker 1: folks that give it obviously they have a big following,
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Speaker 1: give it lots of praise where it's like, oh, this
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Speaker 1: is so cool, like you're sharing part of my culture
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Speaker 1: for my country. This is awesome, Like thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like hold on, like support people that are
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Speaker 1: actually for the country and are creating ship online that
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Speaker 1: are creating actual content and because there they exist and
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Speaker 1: they're out there. Yeah, it's a thing, and I feel
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Speaker 1: like this is um really common to like someone does
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Speaker 1: something of another culture and it's kind of um, what's
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Speaker 1: the word, it's like shocking, Like oh wow, Like where
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Speaker 1: did Where did this white person learn how to do this?
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Speaker 1: Like that's wild. You know, there's this really funny kind
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Speaker 1: of shocked factor when it's like people can people do
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things like right, It's like when a
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Speaker 1: white person speaks in another language, it's like oh amazing, wow, right,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, wow, so much knowledge, like how did
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Speaker 1: you learn that? But you know, we have folks that
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Speaker 1: are immigrants and speak there, you know, whichever language they speak,
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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, learn to speak English, right, this
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Speaker 1: is this is America hashtag, you know. And so yes,
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Speaker 1: we know, we know that the praise is rooted in
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Speaker 1: whiteness and white supremacy and some people, certain people read white,
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Speaker 1: are allowed to do things that others are not. M hmmm,
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Speaker 1: Like these guys are not being read as like immigrants
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Speaker 1: and they're not talked about or treated that way. They're
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Speaker 1: like they're just like travelers or whatever. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: just global citizens, worldly, just worldly. Yes, yes, yes, that's
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Speaker 1: its own thing within the travel space community, right, but
21:34
Speaker 1: not everyone has access to travel. It's very complicated. It's
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Speaker 1: very complicated, and it's funny too because I feel like
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Speaker 1: we've probably talked about this before on the podcast. But
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Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people who did
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Speaker 1: not grow up in their home countries, like me, I
21:50
Speaker 1: didn't grow up visiting Mexico, like it wasn't a thing
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Speaker 1: for us. We went to Pijuana a few times as kids,
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Speaker 1: but you know, all of our family is here, and
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Speaker 1: so there was a lot of this kind of rhetoric
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Speaker 1: around me about like, oh my god, Mexico so dangerous,
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Speaker 1: never go, never go. And this coming from people who
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Speaker 1: were born and raised in Mexico, you know, or or
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Speaker 1: lived there for a very long time, and it was
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Speaker 1: always very no, don't go, it's so dangerous. And then
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Speaker 1: later in life, I had a friend who I love,
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Speaker 1: amazing woman, but she's a white girl from South Pasadena,
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Speaker 1: you know, with blonde hair and blue eyes, who just
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Speaker 1: at the time did not speak Spanish. And one day
22:26
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm quitting my job and I'm moving to Guatemala.
22:30
Speaker 1: And so she lived in Mexico City for several months
22:33
Speaker 1: by herself, and then she lived in Guatemala for several
22:35
Speaker 1: months by herself, and I went to visit her in
22:37
Speaker 1: both places, and I came home and I told my family, like,
22:41
Speaker 1: you guys understand that you all have like like basically
22:45
Speaker 1: just kind of warned me against the terrors of Latin America.
22:49
Speaker 1: And here goes this white girl without a care in
22:51
Speaker 1: the world, without a second thought, and she goes and
22:53
Speaker 1: lives in the f and just and kills it and
22:55
Speaker 1: has a great time and is going to bars by herself.
22:58
Speaker 1: And we all know that, you know, these says can
23:00
Speaker 1: be very dangerous for people like who actually live there,
23:03
Speaker 1: and for you know, women in Latin America, things are
23:07
Speaker 1: very dangerous. But at the same time, it's like who's
23:10
Speaker 1: living in fear and then who like I don't know,
23:13
Speaker 1: and who's not kind of a thing of these places
23:16
Speaker 1: that we call home or have some kind of connection to.
23:19
Speaker 1: So I just think it's like a very bizarre set
23:22
Speaker 1: up all the way around. Totally. Yeah, it's definitely that
23:25
Speaker 1: privilege of like being able to move in certain move
23:28
Speaker 1: anywhere that you want and like have some type of
23:32
Speaker 1: um certainty that things are going to work out for you.
23:36
Speaker 1: And there's obviously a privilege in that, whereas you know,
23:40
Speaker 1: there's like I think for for us as women, like
23:43
Speaker 1: our parents are like why are you going to go
23:46
Speaker 1: travel by yourself? You know, when we're like we've done
23:50
Speaker 1: everything we can to protect you, and here you are
23:53
Speaker 1: just going on this trip alone um to Latin America,
23:57
Speaker 1: which would like you said, there's like fear, there's real fears, right,
24:01
Speaker 1: lots of places are unsafe, but so is the US.
24:03
Speaker 1: Our backyards are unsafe, our homes can be unsafe depending
24:07
Speaker 1: on our living situation, and so it really doesn't you know,
24:11
Speaker 1: not that it doesn't make sense, I understand, but yeah,
24:14
Speaker 1: I'm like you guys, there's some real ship happening here.
24:18
Speaker 1: Like you guys, we live in the city of Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah,
24:25
Speaker 1: it's sucking dangerous here, you guys, Like l A is
24:29
Speaker 1: not a joke, Like we live in fear, not to
24:31
Speaker 1: be dramatic, but like we like when we're outside of
24:35
Speaker 1: our houses like where we live in fear. Yeah, I
24:38
Speaker 1: mean we all have safety plans. Like you know, safety
24:42
Speaker 1: plans don't just exist when you travel. You need a
24:44
Speaker 1: safety plan when you're going to get gas, when you're
24:47
Speaker 1: gonna go skating, when you're gonna go running, when you
24:49
Speaker 1: meet meet up with someone with a friend, a date, whomever.
24:53
Speaker 1: Safety plans are needed, very much, so, very much so.
24:57
Speaker 1: And you know why, as I've gotten older, I have
24:59
Speaker 1: met more in more heads who they do go and
25:02
Speaker 1: like have moved to the d R, like women our
25:06
Speaker 1: age have moved to the DR, moved to their home countries,
25:08
Speaker 1: have moved to Puerto Rico, have gone, and they spend
25:11
Speaker 1: you know, stretches of the year in Mexico City. And
25:15
Speaker 1: it's it's a thing right now, like for Latina's our age,
25:18
Speaker 1: especially in the creative space, to like move back to
25:21
Speaker 1: whatever Latin American country our families are from. I think
25:23
Speaker 1: it's really cool. I've been thinking about, like how do
25:26
Speaker 1: I get myself to Mexico City for a few months
25:29
Speaker 1: because I see other women doing it and I'm trying
25:31
Speaker 1: to do it because that is cool and fun and cute. Yeah, definitely,
25:37
Speaker 1: I think they're Um, you're right. I think there's something
25:40
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25:43
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25:50
Speaker 1: age group that like we see doing that, And yeah,
25:52
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25:55
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29:38
Speaker 1: we do, we do it all. Let's talk about Hispanic
29:45
Speaker 1: Heritage Month Latin Let's do it. Let's do it. So
29:52
Speaker 1: our favorite least favorite time of the year is approaching.
29:58
Speaker 1: Right September is a fish really Latin X or Hispanic
30:02
Speaker 1: Heritage Month, depending some folks use latine X. We obviously
30:05
Speaker 1: use Latin X, but the bracket or the umbrella term
30:09
Speaker 1: is Hispanic Heritage Month. Um. And that's where lots of
30:14
Speaker 1: companies come out of the woodworks and remember that they
30:17
Speaker 1: have a Latin X audience to engage with, and they
30:21
Speaker 1: see all the value in us for a month, for
30:24
Speaker 1: one month, And I just want to say that, like
30:27
Speaker 1: every year we kind of scratch our heads because we
30:30
Speaker 1: hear all this stuff about companies and brands reaching out
30:33
Speaker 1: to people, and we see the projects in the collapse,
30:36
Speaker 1: and we're like, how come nobody's coming to us. Honestly,
30:40
Speaker 1: we don't get we don't get as much of the
30:43
Speaker 1: Hispanic Heritage Month like work and fairtare. We don't know why,
30:48
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't know why, and we we you
30:50
Speaker 1: know what, this is the conversation. Let's have this conversation
30:52
Speaker 1: because sometimes I'm like, I don't know, like where we stand,
30:56
Speaker 1: Like we're not necessarily in like the feminist space space,
31:02
Speaker 1: but we are obviously feminist and we create feminist content.
31:06
Speaker 1: We you know, women is content. Um, we're queer, but
31:10
Speaker 1: we're not necessarily in the queer podcast space either. Um,
31:15
Speaker 1: we're laughin us, but we don't get as many ops
31:19
Speaker 1: as other folks during Hispanic Latino Heritage Month. We don't.
31:23
Speaker 1: What is it? Is it the fem phobia? Yeah? I
31:27
Speaker 1: think we're just too hot. I think that everyone rejects us.
31:30
Speaker 1: Everyone rejects us. We belong to nowhere basically. But that's
31:35
Speaker 1: why we had to create our own lane. We really
31:37
Speaker 1: had to, because when we tell you, guys, like we
31:40
Speaker 1: really do, we try and play nice with everybody. We're nice,
31:46
Speaker 1: We're very nice. We're very very nice. But a lot
31:50
Speaker 1: of folks just do not have it for us. They
31:53
Speaker 1: just don't. So we have stopped, honestly, we have stopped
31:57
Speaker 1: like knocking on doors that are just not trying to
32:00
Speaker 1: open for us, that are like dead bolted from the
32:02
Speaker 1: inside with like seven different locks, you know what I mean,
32:06
Speaker 1: and a chain and also a door propped under the
32:09
Speaker 1: door knob. So we're like, you know what, We're just
32:11
Speaker 1: going to build our own little house over here, and
32:13
Speaker 1: it's going to be Yes, it's going to be really cute,
32:16
Speaker 1: and it already is really cute. It's like literally what
32:19
Speaker 1: Salange says about building your own table, like instead of
32:21
Speaker 1: asking for see your you build your own table. And
32:24
Speaker 1: so we're building our own house because we've got to
32:26
Speaker 1: open our own doors. Um and just for my you know,
32:30
Speaker 1: a reminder to any folks that are affiliated with brands
32:33
Speaker 1: or if you're working with brands this month in particular,
32:36
Speaker 1: don't do any work for free, especially during Hispanic Heritage Month,
32:42
Speaker 1: especially during Latino Heritage Month. Do not You should never
32:46
Speaker 1: do free work in any like in general all year round,
32:49
Speaker 1: but at this time of the year, all the brands
32:52
Speaker 1: like to come out and reach out to their Latin
32:55
Speaker 1: X creators whomever. Um, and yeah, never do work for free.
33:01
Speaker 1: Get your coin and ask people if they're getting paid.
33:05
Speaker 1: If you think you're being cheated money, cheated, exploited, robbed,
33:13
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33:18
Speaker 1: right like between if you're an indie project and working
33:22
Speaker 1: with under other indie projects and you guys pulling your
33:25
Speaker 1: resources and working together to create something like we've done
33:29
Speaker 1: that all along, right and and paying people like what
33:32
Speaker 1: we can when we have budgets and working with people
33:35
Speaker 1: with full transparency, and like this is what we have
33:38
Speaker 1: to work with, this is what we don't have to
33:40
Speaker 1: work with, you know, And that's that's a really important
33:43
Speaker 1: way to build a small business. You get to a
33:47
Speaker 1: level like we are now at a level after several
33:50
Speaker 1: years where we're not talking about community work all the
33:53
Speaker 1: time or necessarily or working with friends or working with
33:57
Speaker 1: other indie projects. We're talking about major corporations, multinationals, conglomerates
34:04
Speaker 1: like these are corporations. They have money, and they will
34:09
Speaker 1: always try and convince you that they don't have money,
34:13
Speaker 1: but that you should still do work for them, and
34:16
Speaker 1: it's not true. They all have money. They have budgets
34:19
Speaker 1: for every single thing. They are not suffering, their wallets
34:24
Speaker 1: are not hurting. They have money. So that's who we're
34:28
Speaker 1: talking about, because this is when those guys reach out
34:32
Speaker 1: is during this Hispanic Heritage Month to try and get
34:35
Speaker 1: free labor from you when they can pay you. They know,
34:39
Speaker 1: they know they can pay you, they choose not to
34:41
Speaker 1: pay you, yes, and then they lie about having no money.
34:46
Speaker 1: So you know, and also like transparency, right, like we
34:50
Speaker 1: still do things for free or like community for community
34:55
Speaker 1: things for example, and Ahead is like creating a little
34:58
Speaker 1: like outdoor medica though, and she was like, do you
35:01
Speaker 1: all want to like come and have a table and
35:03
Speaker 1: this and that, because she's trying to like really build
35:06
Speaker 1: up what she's doing in her particular community. And we're like, yeah,
35:10
Speaker 1: hell yeah, let's do it. Like we haven't done like
35:12
Speaker 1: an outdoor thing, like in person event with like community
35:16
Speaker 1: members and folks that we can invite, and so let's
35:19
Speaker 1: do it, right. We don't have any expectation that we're
35:21
Speaker 1: going to get paid. We're doing it because we want
35:23
Speaker 1: to help this mo had like build her business. The corporations,
35:28
Speaker 1: the corporations, Um, they don't need free work. They just
35:33
Speaker 1: really don't. Wait, hold on, there's an ice cream truck.
35:37
Speaker 1: Let's leave it. Yeah, this is gonna park outside my house.
35:46
Speaker 1: Literally still there, still there, Okay, she's pulling off right.
36:01
Speaker 1: So what are we saying? Um, oh, yeah, that the
36:06
Speaker 1: corporations have money and when they say they don't, they
36:09
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36:14
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36:18
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36:27
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36:30
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36:33
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36:36
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36:41
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36:43
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36:53
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36:58
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37:01
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39:12
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39:16
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39:19
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39:23
Speaker 1: doing brown face? And one of them was not the
39:25
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39:29
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39:34
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39:37
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39:40
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39:46
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39:48
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39:52
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39:55
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39:58
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40:05
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40:07
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40:12
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40:15
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40:19
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40:24
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40:27
Speaker 1: the girls are living for nothing. It didn't make a difference.
40:32
Speaker 1: It made her bigger, It made her more of a star.
40:35
Speaker 1: We were we were also at another event or no,
40:38
Speaker 1: we were at a we were at a restaurant, we
40:39
Speaker 1: were at a drag show. Mama and I and this
40:42
Speaker 1: song like came on and it like slapped. I was like,
40:45
Speaker 1: this is a great song. And afterwards, Mala goes, did
40:47
Speaker 1: you know that that was Igeazalea? And I was like what.
40:51
Speaker 1: She was like, yeah, it sounds good, right, And I
40:53
Speaker 1: was like, god, damn it. I had no idea. Granted
40:56
Speaker 1: I'm not streaming it, but still I was like, this
40:58
Speaker 1: is a good song. Hey, who is this right? And
41:01
Speaker 1: I was like, m it's iggy, but we had already
41:06
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41:10
Speaker 1: think we need that perspective because the call outs and
41:14
Speaker 1: the drags can feel very real. Um, and then sometimes
41:18
Speaker 1: they don't actually translate to real life. Like think about
41:22
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41:26
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41:34
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41:38
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41:41
Speaker 1: her struggle for a long time and she couldn't do it,
41:44
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41:47
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41:52
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41:56
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42:00
Speaker 1: So this is why we tell you cancel culture is
42:03
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42:06
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Or the real thing is a benefit
42:09
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42:14
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42:19
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42:21
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42:29
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42:33
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42:38
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42:43
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42:48
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42:51
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43:10
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43:13
Speaker 1: leave us a review on Apple podcasts. You know, it
43:16
Speaker 1: really goes a very long way. So just food for
43:19
Speaker 1: thought about how you spend your time and your energy
43:22
Speaker 1: when you're online, because we know you bitches are online
43:24
Speaker 1: all fucking gay, We know you are. We already know
43:26
Speaker 1: your bitches are good to your phones. So just think
43:28
Speaker 1: about how you're spending your time and why. Yeah, and
43:32
Speaker 1: at this point, like how do you want to spend
43:35
Speaker 1: your time and energy? You know, do you want to
43:38
Speaker 1: spend it and feeling negative or do you want to
43:41
Speaker 1: spend it like fueling and boosting the creators that you like. Um,
43:48
Speaker 1: So there's that. There's that. There's also we're tired. You
43:51
Speaker 1: that we're so tired. Yeah, you know, we're like literally
43:58
Speaker 1: September any one. You know what that means? Season five
44:02
Speaker 1: is almost over? And you know what that means. We
44:04
Speaker 1: have to plan for season six and have a whole
44:06
Speaker 1: new visual. So we're gonna we're thinking about it, we're
44:11
Speaker 1: anticipating it. More more work, which we love. We love
44:16
Speaker 1: what we do. We love what we do. But the
44:18
Speaker 1: thing about being an overachiever is that each year you
44:20
Speaker 1: have to top yourself. And it's like, literally we're our
44:23
Speaker 1: own competition. We have to keep up with last season's theme,
44:28
Speaker 1: visual content, all of it. And sometimes I'm like, you
44:32
Speaker 1: know what, last season, I like the content more of
44:34
Speaker 1: that season, So what does that tell me we need
44:36
Speaker 1: to do more of that next season? And so on
44:39
Speaker 1: and so forth. You learn We we learned from ourselves.
44:41
Speaker 1: Everyone should learn from theirselves, and what they're doing is
44:44
Speaker 1: don't focus on what other people are doing. Focus on
44:46
Speaker 1: what you're doing and what you can do better. As
44:49
Speaker 1: Beyonce would say, how did you do that? And we
44:56
Speaker 1: are recording on the day of Beyonce's forty out. Shout
45:01
Speaker 1: out Queen, Shout out Queen. Let's take a moment and
45:06
Speaker 1: talk about Beyonce. I mean, I think Beyonce deserves her
45:09
Speaker 1: own episode. She does. We need to have a Beyonce episode.
45:13
Speaker 1: But it is her birthday, so let's talk about it.
45:15
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. I will tell you.
45:18
Speaker 1: I need to tell you. I need to tell you.
45:19
Speaker 1: Tell me. I had a whole wall of Destiny's Child
45:26
Speaker 1: memorabilia growing up. I was a huge Destiny's Child fan. Huge.
45:33
Speaker 1: My brother took me to see Destiny's Child in concert
45:36
Speaker 1: for Destiny Fulfilled. I had like, I don't know how
45:41
Speaker 1: this fucking worked, and I'm like sometimes I think about it,
45:43
Speaker 1: I'm like, this can't be real. I went to the
45:46
Speaker 1: Verizon Ladies Tour, which was none other than Alicia Keys,
45:50
Speaker 1: Missy Elliott, and Beyonce, and it was at the Anaheim
45:54
Speaker 1: Convention Center. My brother, my brother is like basically like
45:58
Speaker 1: my second dad. So my brother, my brother is fifteen
46:00
Speaker 1: years older than me, so he would take me to
46:03
Speaker 1: all the concerts and it was a lot of fun.
46:05
Speaker 1: And he was He's like the six two man, and
46:08
Speaker 1: there I was like walking next to him, and he
46:10
Speaker 1: would like buy me all the things, and I was
46:12
Speaker 1: super cute, and so she would he would take me
46:14
Speaker 1: to these concerts. And so the fact that I saw
46:17
Speaker 1: these three women on one lineup, I like, how the
46:19
Speaker 1: fund did that happen? Um? And so I love Fionce.
46:24
Speaker 1: I am definitely part of the beehive. I'm not as
46:27
Speaker 1: intense of a member. I think that the Beyonce critique
46:31
Speaker 1: can stand as long as it's valid. Don't come at
46:34
Speaker 1: me and say Beyonce is not talented, she can't sing.
46:36
Speaker 1: She you know, she clearly has a vision. It's not true.
46:40
Speaker 1: You're you're a hater. You know you want you want
46:43
Speaker 1: to talk about blood diamonds. Let's talk about the blood diamonds. Yes,
46:47
Speaker 1: you want to tell me that she's not innovative and
46:49
Speaker 1: the greatest um talent of our time. Liar, You're wrong,
46:54
Speaker 1: your liar, You're a liar. We look, we just Beyonce
47:00
Speaker 1: raised us, Destiny's child raised us. But Beyonce specifically has
47:05
Speaker 1: been with us consistently since the beginning. Like Beyonce has
47:09
Speaker 1: always been there, she's never left and just there's just
47:15
Speaker 1: so much to say. I mean to see her journey
47:19
Speaker 1: and like how she's evolved as a singer, as an artist,
47:24
Speaker 1: it's just breathtaking. And I think that she is really
47:26
Speaker 1: truly one of our greatest inspirations. I mean, we talk
47:29
Speaker 1: about her, we love her. I've been to her shows.
47:33
Speaker 1: I've been to the Formation tour. Um. I don't remember
47:38
Speaker 1: which other one I went to, but I went to
47:39
Speaker 1: another one I forgot what it was called, but um
47:42
Speaker 1: with Steph. I went with Steph and my sister UM
47:47
Speaker 1: and on the Run tour, on the Run to Yes.
47:50
Speaker 1: So you know, like, I just like appreciate her so
47:55
Speaker 1: much for being the like go getter and the perfectionists
48:00
Speaker 1: and the visionary that she is. Yes. And I love
48:05
Speaker 1: how she can just go in and out of genres
48:07
Speaker 1: and she can do it all. She can do everything,
48:10
Speaker 1: she does it all. I also love that she like
48:14
Speaker 1: literally collaborates with like up and comers, Like remember when
48:17
Speaker 1: she had wars On Shire, like one of the greatest
48:19
Speaker 1: poets are of our generation in my opinion, she had
48:23
Speaker 1: her on Lemonade right. Um. She collaborated with Mega Stallion
48:28
Speaker 1: last year, right like and not that Mega Sellian was
48:32
Speaker 1: an up and comer, but it's like she sees the
48:35
Speaker 1: talent and it's like she blesses whomever she works with,
48:40
Speaker 1: right and they like Skyrocket And I'm like, that's what
48:43
Speaker 1: we need to be doing in our own way and
48:46
Speaker 1: whatever capacity that is, like have the Beyonce effect. And
48:50
Speaker 1: we talked about that, like we like to think that,
48:52
Speaker 1: like we have our guests on when we do because
48:56
Speaker 1: like they're going to blow up right now and and
48:58
Speaker 1: and we're going to have them on and so literally
49:01
Speaker 1: we Beyonce is definitely an inspiration for us and what
49:04
Speaker 1: we do respond like not responding to hate all the
49:07
Speaker 1: time or negativity the funk what you say in her
49:11
Speaker 1: comments or ds, she doesn't, she ain't knows it. She
49:15
Speaker 1: posts another beautiful outfit somewhere on a boat like she's fine.
49:21
Speaker 1: It's true, it's true. I think Beyonce also understands like
49:25
Speaker 1: a lot of what we were talking about earlier. You know,
49:30
Speaker 1: a comment is a comment at the end of it all,
49:32
Speaker 1: and she's probably not really reading them either. But she
49:37
Speaker 1: is on Twitter. I know Beyonce is on Twitter. I
49:39
Speaker 1: know she has her little sock account. She's watching Twitter
49:45
Speaker 1: what they say. Yeah, because she's always on the on
49:50
Speaker 1: the pulse, like she knows what's going on and she
49:52
Speaker 1: lets us know. She like will let us know in
49:54
Speaker 1: different ways that she's listening and she's on the pulse.
49:57
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. Yeah. I love Beyonce, great and one
50:00
Speaker 1: of our greatest inspirations. Um. Yeah, future Beyonce episode in
50:06
Speaker 1: depth for sure, in depth. We have to do it.
50:08
Speaker 1: There's a couple of divas that we want to really
50:10
Speaker 1: cover in the future. Maybe that can be something we
50:13
Speaker 1: focus on for season six. Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And I mean,
50:18
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of it all, I'm never
50:20
Speaker 1: here for critique that is like only centering like women entertainers.
50:28
Speaker 1: Like can you please direct that energy towards some lawmakers?
50:32
Speaker 1: Please towards some policymakers. Do you even know the names
50:35
Speaker 1: of the policymakers that you should be directing that anger too,
50:39
Speaker 1: that you should be directing that energy to, you know,
50:41
Speaker 1: like how about a corporation responsible for an oil spill?
50:45
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like when when all of your analysis
50:49
Speaker 1: and all of your accountability and all of your social
50:54
Speaker 1: justice energy is like only going towards women creatives, I'm like,
50:58
Speaker 1: there's something off here, like there's something imbalanced here that's
51:02
Speaker 1: not making sense to me, yes, or like with women's celebrities, definitely.
51:08
Speaker 1: I was telling Mala that I caught myself being a
51:11
Speaker 1: hater and so okay. So last week, um, somebody shared
51:19
Speaker 1: Gummy laos Um song called Don't Go. I think it's
51:23
Speaker 1: called Don't Go, but anyway, I saw like a preview
51:25
Speaker 1: of the video on her Instagram. I don't follow what
51:27
Speaker 1: someone shared it, and it's giving me like major like
51:30
Speaker 1: Latina vibes, Like she's like chapping into like what's marketable
51:34
Speaker 1: right now, at least that's how I see it. And
51:36
Speaker 1: so I shared it on my Instagram and I was like,
51:40
Speaker 1: literally just said, this is giving me Latina vibes, right,
51:44
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, I'm giving this more views
51:48
Speaker 1: and I'm talking ship and I'm and I'm being negative
51:50
Speaker 1: and I don't need to be negative. I can just
51:51
Speaker 1: share what we're doing literally, and so we need to
51:55
Speaker 1: be promoting our own episode. And so I I took
51:59
Speaker 1: it down and I stand by my critique. And Evette
52:02
Speaker 1: Montoya wrote a great um article about why Gummy La
52:06
Speaker 1: Gummy Lack needs to do better, will link that somewhere
52:09
Speaker 1: and she wrote it her Pop Sugar, and it was
52:11
Speaker 1: a really great example of like a holding like white
52:14
Speaker 1: latin X or light skin latin X folks accountable for
52:17
Speaker 1: their like racism and anti blackness. It's it's a really
52:20
Speaker 1: great and so when I saw that, when I read
52:22
Speaker 1: that article and then I saw the video the next day,
52:24
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, gummy La, you need
52:26
Speaker 1: to shut the funk up. Is how I felt like,
52:28
Speaker 1: stop stop you know, playing like your your your Latina
52:32
Speaker 1: identity for for profit because you're putting it on and
52:35
Speaker 1: you're taking it off and all that stuff. But again
52:38
Speaker 1: I was giving it views and giving an energy I
52:40
Speaker 1: didn't need to give. And so I deleted it and
52:43
Speaker 1: that was that. But I do I did it. You know,
52:47
Speaker 1: we do it sometimes, um and we don't. We don't
52:49
Speaker 1: have to do it. We don't have to do it.
52:52
Speaker 1: It's a conscious choice that you. I'm not going to
52:57
Speaker 1: engage in this type of posting right now. I have
53:01
Speaker 1: the the tweet written in my head maybe already maybe
53:05
Speaker 1: already almost posted it to my story. Like it happens.
53:10
Speaker 1: We do it too, because it's a really good way
53:13
Speaker 1: to get engagement ourselves ship talking. This is the other
53:17
Speaker 1: side of the coin. Again, we have been around long
53:21
Speaker 1: enough to know that there are plenty of quote social
53:25
Speaker 1: justice community, marginalized voices centering accounts that have gained their
53:33
Speaker 1: followerships and have gained their clout and their name recognition
53:37
Speaker 1: and their platform by engaging in these types of drags
53:40
Speaker 1: and critiques, because not only does the person in like
53:45
Speaker 1: leading the drag get a bunch of engagement on their post,
53:50
Speaker 1: they also tend to get an increase in followers and
53:53
Speaker 1: they become sort of known for like overholding celebs accountable. Well,
53:58
Speaker 1: you know, you're saying things that, yeah, maybe true, but
54:03
Speaker 1: you are making sure that your specific individual platform is
54:09
Speaker 1: benefiting from the traffic, you know, and that's not necessarily
54:13
Speaker 1: a bad thing, but it's just what's happening there. Let's
54:18
Speaker 1: let's be real, Like, if your brand is dependent on
54:21
Speaker 1: you getting millions of retweets off of specifically critiquing female celebrities,
54:27
Speaker 1: like just understand that that's your income and that's how
54:31
Speaker 1: you are creating. Your brand is by your a critic,
54:35
Speaker 1: and that's that's its own genre, you know, that's its
54:38
Speaker 1: own lane. But it is self serving serving, it's self
54:44
Speaker 1: serving in many ways. It's self serving in many ways. Look,
54:47
Speaker 1: my Selena the series critique, I'm not going to sit
54:49
Speaker 1: here and be like that was for the greater good, Honey.
54:53
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. I'm trying to. We we create content.
54:56
Speaker 1: We're content creators, were podcasters, We talk, we give critiques.
55:00
Speaker 1: We are part of this class of people that benefits
55:03
Speaker 1: from the online engagement. That's why we're talking about it,
55:05
Speaker 1: because we benefit from it. If you retweet our stuff,
55:09
Speaker 1: if you listen and share our stuff, that's good for us.
55:13
Speaker 1: You know. It is UM you know, and we do
55:17
Speaker 1: things with a comedic lean or with a dramatic lean
55:21
Speaker 1: or with a little bit of hyperbole because this is
55:24
Speaker 1: art that we're doing. You know, this is content creation
55:27
Speaker 1: that we're doing. But we're not going to sit here
55:29
Speaker 1: and be like we are righting wrongs and holding people
55:35
Speaker 1: accountable for wrongdoing. So make sure you subscribe to our patreons.
55:41
Speaker 1: You know what I mean what we're doing. Yeah, I
55:45
Speaker 1: think like we have written and recorded to some really
55:50
Speaker 1: great UM counter narratives over the years since season one,
55:55
Speaker 1: and I think we've we've talked about holding our family
55:58
Speaker 1: members accountable for whether that be sexism, rape culture, racism,
56:02
Speaker 1: lots of different things, because we still do firmly believe
56:05
Speaker 1: like these conversations need to happen at the homes, right
56:09
Speaker 1: and with our families, that's where we're going to have
56:10
Speaker 1: the most impact. Um. But when it comes when it
56:13
Speaker 1: comes to like calling out celebrities, when it comes to
56:17
Speaker 1: only criticizing critiquing women, like, that's also not what we're about. Um.
56:23
Speaker 1: And so I think that we're kind of trying to
56:24
Speaker 1: figure out what that means for us moving forward, Like
56:27
Speaker 1: how do we create um, you know, really intentional content, um,
56:33
Speaker 1: and you know, not be we we don't want to
56:37
Speaker 1: be dependent on like call out. That's not what we do.
56:39
Speaker 1: We've never been like a call We've never been a
56:41
Speaker 1: call out podcast. Uh. We can call in with kindness
56:46
Speaker 1: and and and intention when we need to, but we
56:49
Speaker 1: really stay away from the call outs as much as possible. Yeah.
56:53
Speaker 1: And it's also like we get so tired of like
56:57
Speaker 1: the same discourse about representation and community and we are
57:04
Speaker 1: not elected officials. We are not librarians, were not public
57:08
Speaker 1: school teachers, you know what I mean, Like, we're not
57:11
Speaker 1: public servants. We're just not and um, we don't claim
57:16
Speaker 1: to like represent anybody where we are podcasters and we're
57:21
Speaker 1: making lots of different types of content that we hope
57:26
Speaker 1: speaks to a lot of different people. Most of our
57:30
Speaker 1: listeners and followers tend to self identify as Latina's. Absolutely,
57:36
Speaker 1: that's another fact, right, But we don't sit here and
57:40
Speaker 1: pretend to like be the spokespeople for all that's not
57:47
Speaker 1: Um maybe that's that's not our thing. Maybe that's how
57:49
Speaker 1: we don't get booked for Caritage Month because that's what
57:53
Speaker 1: they want. We have to be. I am the voice
57:56
Speaker 1: of my people, and I am an act to this,
58:01
Speaker 1: and I am the voice for the voiceless on marijuana.
58:10
Speaker 1: In between bond rips and in between podcast recording, I
58:14
Speaker 1: am leading my people out of the desert. So I
58:18
Speaker 1: subscribed to my Patreon and give me a commercial, someone,
58:25
Speaker 1: ari I, anyone? I'm done with you. Um, all right,
58:31
Speaker 1: well this has been a very full episode. We gave
58:36
Speaker 1: you fake Denos, we gave you Beyonce, we gave you
58:39
Speaker 1: Hispanic Heritage Month takes. We gave you call out culture
58:43
Speaker 1: that's not real or council culture that's not real. Um,
58:48
Speaker 1: we gave it. Also, don't ever say that we don't.
58:56
Speaker 1: We're just tired, you guys. We're just going. We continue
58:58
Speaker 1: to be exhausted. If you even knew the battles that
59:03
Speaker 1: we fight behind the scenes, you guys have no idea,
59:07
Speaker 1: but somehow we persist. It's fine, it's fine. We're saving
59:11
Speaker 1: it all for the memoir the memoirs, honey, just look
59:14
Speaker 1: out for those memoirs because they will be juicy. The
59:19
Speaker 1: things that we've had to do. We'll just leave it
59:21
Speaker 1: at that. We'll just leave it at that. Well, alright,
59:24
Speaker 1: look at what is Thank you for tuning into this
59:26
Speaker 1: very lengthy episode about everything. Honestly, um, this is a
59:30
Speaker 1: September episode because we gave you Beyonce's Birthday, Linic Caritage Month,
59:34
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59:37
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