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  Speaker 1: It's the gold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight a message to the Queers for Palestine movement. Check
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  Speaker 2: what Isnamic state fans in Sydney have been doing to
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  Speaker 2: gaze there. Plus Anthony Albanesi heckled by arrogant climate catastrophe,
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  Speaker 2: while Donald Trump shows how to put hecklers in their
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  Speaker 2: place in his State of the Union address. But first
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  Speaker 2: two signs of panic today is Anthony Alberzi suddenly goes
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  Speaker 2: are all the economy and are all Pauline Hanson. She's
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  Speaker 2: not just a problem for the Liberals, it turns out.
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  Speaker 2: Look the Albany is the government seal way ahead of
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  Speaker 2: the Liberals in the poll. So you'd think, what's the
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  Speaker 2: prime minister's problem? In fact future suddenly looks very troubled
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  Speaker 2: for the country and for Albinizi. Now for us, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the pain, of course is today's inflation figures steady at
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  Speaker 2: three point eight percent, but higher than expected or is healthy,
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  Speaker 2: with underlying inflation actually rising. And this is of course
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  Speaker 2: bad news for us and poison for the Prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: And not just because the strands are getting poorer, prices
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  Speaker 2: rising more than wages, and not just because this inflation
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  Speaker 2: figure makes it even likelier that the Reserve Bank will
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  Speaker 2: now raise interest rates to control it, and for a
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  Speaker 2: second time this year raise them in May. But when
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  Speaker 2: you look at what sent up, what actually did go
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  Speaker 2: up the prices besides food three point one percent for
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  Speaker 2: the year, that you see very clear evidence the government
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  Speaker 2: policies are now really hurting Australians. Housing was already almost
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  Speaker 2: unaffordable for the young and the poorer in our cities,
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  Speaker 2: but our price is over the year up again by
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  Speaker 2: six point eight percent. Why is this government then even
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  Speaker 2: now importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year, all
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  Speaker 2: of them competing with the strands for homes and apartments
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  Speaker 2: and the other and even bigger rise electricity up for
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  Speaker 2: the year by and get this, nearly thirty two percent again.
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  Speaker 2: Why is the albaniz A government spending hundreds of billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars on green schemes that make no measurable difference
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  Speaker 2: to the climate, but do help make electricity too expensive
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  Speaker 2: and unreliable for the poor and for business. These are
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  Speaker 2: direct failures of government, and so is the overall rise
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  Speaker 2: in inflation. That inflation has been has been blamed by
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  Speaker 2: almost every expert I have heard on the government just
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  Speaker 2: spending too much in the biggest spendeth on in federal
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  Speaker 2: politics in the past forty years, outside the pandemic years, Economists,
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  Speaker 2: business bankers, Peter Costello, our longest serving treasurer, all blamed
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  Speaker 2: the government for spending too much. Even a labor giant,
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  Speaker 2: former ACTU Secretary Bill Kelty this week warned there was
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  Speaker 2: too much spending and workers were getting poorer. Now, treasure
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  Speaker 2: Jim Charmers, he's kept saying, oh no, no, all those experts
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  Speaker 2: were wrong to blame his spending. There's not a unanimous
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  Speaker 2: view amongst the economists about what's driving the most recent
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  Speaker 2: tick up in inflation. And so we now get to
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  Speaker 2: the first sign of panic from this government. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: our big spending isn't causing inflation to rise. But the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister in ordering Charmers and his other ministers find
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  Speaker 2: lots of savings, cut billions, no more spending on things
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  Speaker 2: that are just nice to have said one minister. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's all a bit too late, isn't it. And who
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  Speaker 2: believes this government can cut But I mentioned Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: She's also making labor worried and no wonder you just
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  Speaker 2: look at today's Sky News Pulse poll. Look at these figures.
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  Speaker 2: Most tension is on the fact that One Nation is
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  Speaker 2: still ahead of the coalition, even after the Liberals got
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  Speaker 2: themselves a new leader, Angus Taylor, and he has lifted
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  Speaker 2: the coalition vote a bit. It's still at a terrible low.
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  Speaker 2: But look at the labor vote. Never since our first
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  Speaker 2: election back in nineteen hundred and one has Labor had
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  Speaker 2: a primary vote in an election as low as that
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  Speaker 2: twenty nine percent. And that's when this government has had
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  Speaker 2: for months and months and months in opposition, hopelessly divided,
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  Speaker 2: still twenty nine percent. Blame not just the economy, you
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  Speaker 2: also going to blame One Nation now. This poll shows
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  Speaker 2: that twelve percent of Labor voters at the last election
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  Speaker 2: now back One Nation. Paul In Hansen is stealing low
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  Speaker 2: voters as well, and her support has a lot of upside.
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  Speaker 2: This poll today shows twice as many voters are seriously
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  Speaker 2: considering voting for her, then vote for her now. And
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  Speaker 2: that brings me to Labour's second sign of panic. We've
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  Speaker 2: already seen the Prime Minister suddenly talking tough about the
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  Speaker 2: Islamic state, women trying to come back with their children,
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  Speaker 2: even those immigration ministers seems to meanwhile, I have been
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  Speaker 2: secretly helping them return. Now that Paul enhounced in his
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  Speaker 2: campaigning so successfully, particularly among labors, working class voters, so
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  Speaker 2: successful for traffic controls and Muslim immigration, Anthony Ebnezy makes
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  Speaker 2: out like, oh he's a right on board, well at
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  Speaker 2: least with keeping out just these Islamic state women.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, I have nothing but contempt for these contempt for
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  Speaker 3: their parents who put these children in that situation.
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  Speaker 2: But even more telling as the speech to be given
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  Speaker 2: today by Julian Hill. Now he is Albanezy's multiculturalism boss,
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  Speaker 2: his Assistant Minister for Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs. Despite that,
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  Speaker 2: Hill tells his own side, the Left, to stop sneering
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  Speaker 2: at Australians worried about the three ms, migration, Muslims and multiculturalism.
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  Speaker 2: He said, many days in Australians have attended the marches
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  Speaker 2: for Australia, which you know Paul and Hanson has addressed.
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  Speaker 2: He said they deserve to be listened to rather than
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  Speaker 2: dismiss the economic concerns of frankly pissed off people or
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  Speaker 2: worries about integration are real. He also said worries about immigration,
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  Speaker 2: we're legitimate. What a huge change from the left shouting
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  Speaker 2: races that those of us have warned about all this
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  Speaker 2: for years, and Hill under is the multi cultural multiculturalism
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  Speaker 2: sar of this government also told the left to stop
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  Speaker 2: attacking our national symbols and be more patriotic, saying, controversially
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  Speaker 2: to some, I believe this means embracing Australia Day for
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  Speaker 2: as long as there is no consensus to change the
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  Speaker 2: date as a day to reflect, celebrate and be proud
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  Speaker 2: of our country and our complex history. Why on earth
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  Speaker 2: would we see our flag, he says, see our flag,
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  Speaker 2: our national day and institutions as propaganda for extremes and
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  Speaker 2: the hard right. Yeah, it still damns the left that
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  Speaker 2: Hill has to admit. It's controversial to us the left
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  Speaker 2: to be proud of their country and to fly the
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  Speaker 2: flag just as Hanson has been doing for decades, flying
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  Speaker 2: it inside our parliament as well. So we talk a
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  Speaker 2: lot about Hanson as how Handsod has made the Liberals
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  Speaker 2: wake up to them themselves and talk about cutting immigration
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  Speaker 2: and promoting Australian values and all that. But the threat
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  Speaker 2: of Hansen is now, as you can see, also wiping
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  Speaker 2: the sneer off Labour's face, forcing it to at least
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  Speaker 2: talk tough on borders talk, you know, that's all it is,
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  Speaker 2: and to keep out Islamic radicals and good heavens is
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  Speaker 2: even our talk of cutting spending. So how much in
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  Speaker 2: a panic must this Albanize government be in? Of course,
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  Speaker 2: this skun Nes resolved polstill as the Liberals way behind
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  Speaker 2: labor after preferences, even though the gap is a little
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  Speaker 2: less under Angus Taylor. And that though, is only after
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  Speaker 2: lots of preferences from one nation, which should tell the
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  Speaker 2: Liberals one big thing, shut up, stop trashing one nation
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  Speaker 2: as racist, because you will almost certainly need Hanson and
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  Speaker 2: her preferences. So why help labours say that? In that case,
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  Speaker 2: making a deal with Hanson means the Liberals are getting
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  Speaker 2: into bed with races doesn't make sense. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: wrong that they're racist. I don't believe it, and it
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  Speaker 2: will backfar in the Liberals to feed that lie. So
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  Speaker 2: it was interesting to see Andrew Hasty, now the opposition's
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  Speaker 2: industry spokesman, unlike say, you know Andrew Bragg, also on
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal front bench, say he actually knew what Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson was trying to say in comments misreported as Hanson's
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  Speaker 2: saying there were no good Muslims joining me is the
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  Speaker 2: political panel. Cameron Milner, former Chieve Stuff to Labor leader
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  Speaker 2: Bill Shorten and now director of GXO Strategies. A Mirchael Costler,
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  Speaker 2: former New South Wales Labor Treasurer Force. First of the
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  Speaker 2: Economic news, Michael bad inflation figures and the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: ordering ministers to find more savings. What does that tell you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the inflation figures first, I think we've got a
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  Speaker 4: massive structural problem with inflation, and I think the Reserve
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  Speaker 4: Bank is in real difficulty. Its strategy has failed. You've
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  Speaker 4: got to remember around you they never lifted interest rates
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  Speaker 4: high enough early in the peace and we're facing the
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  Speaker 4: consequences of that. Partly in defense of the RBA, Jim
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  Speaker 4: Charmers did change the mandate and force that full employment
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  Speaker 4: consideration on it. But we've got now inbuilt inflation. I
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  Speaker 4: can't see how you can remove it other than some
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  Speaker 4: significant rate hikes in the near future. Now, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure the Reserve Bank wants to do that because they
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  Speaker 4: think they seem to be intimidated by doing what they're
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  Speaker 4: actually supposed to do, and that is control inflation. So
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  Speaker 4: that's a problem in terms of the spending cuts. I
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  Speaker 4: have to say to Andrew, I don't believe a word
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  Speaker 4: of it. Look, that's more about dressing up the forward
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  Speaker 4: estimates in the budget to make it look like the
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  Speaker 4: Jim Charmers is actually trying to bring down the budget deficit.
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  Speaker 1: They're not real savings.
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  Speaker 4: All of the big cost items in the budget are
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  Speaker 4: structurally built in with escalating costs for the future.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the ndis the green you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, paradoxical disaster that we're facing.
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  Speaker 1: All of that stuff's built in. You can't get rid
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 4: We're spending cuts and a lot of it's off budget
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  Speaker 4: in any event. So really it's about trying to make
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  Speaker 4: the budget numbers look good for the forward estimates.
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  Speaker 1: It's all bluff, it's all diversion.
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  Speaker 2: But Cameron, obviously, you know the economic woes, the fall
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  Speaker 2: in the living standards of Australians, the fall in GDP
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  Speaker 2: per person, all that kind of stuff, inflation, that's adding
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  Speaker 2: to Labour's electoral woes. Labors vote down now to twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine percent, added of course by the fact they're leaking
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  Speaker 2: votes through Hansen percent is extraordinary, isn't it it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's alarm bells for labor.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, this is a terrible number, a really, really
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  Speaker 5: bad number. And Alberi should be sowing, I mean the
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  Speaker 5: coalition and no one nowhere on the battlefield at the
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  Speaker 5: moment that's carved themselves up. But Albo isn't sowing. Labor
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  Speaker 5: isn't sowing because Labour hasn't got a solution to your
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  Speaker 5: pot Michael about cost of living. They've got to spend,
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  Speaker 5: a plan to spend, but not a plan to save,
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  Speaker 5: and that's the problem for the budget. But no, the
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  Speaker 5: one nation vote is growing, and now it's growing at
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  Speaker 5: Labour's expense. I mean, Albanize is a human handbreak on
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  Speaker 5: the labor vote. He's not liked, he's not trusted, and
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  Speaker 5: now the labor vote's going backwards under him, despite the
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  Speaker 5: fact there is no official opposition effectively out there.
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  Speaker 2: Camerin, you just pointed out remind me of something that
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  Speaker 2: a very senior labor figure one said to me only
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  Speaker 2: last week. You know, seeing their state premiere near outstanding
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  Speaker 2: near Albanzi, he's saying, well, that's actually great for me,
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  Speaker 2: because the more Albanezi stands next to the premier, the
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  Speaker 2: more unpopular, the premier becomes Is he really that much
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  Speaker 2: of a drag on the vote now? I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: in a sense that outright hostility or do you?
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  Speaker 5: I think the problem is that he should be doing
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  Speaker 5: so much better. I mean, in the absence of any
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  Speaker 5: official opposition, in the absence of anyone actually credibly taking
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  Speaker 5: the fight up to him, he should.
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  Speaker 2: Be soaring in the polls. He's floundering.
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  Speaker 5: And if you look at people like Peter Malanawskas and
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  Speaker 5: Chris Mins, they're genuinely popular premiers.
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  Speaker 2: Genuinely popular.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Jessindra Allen's got a tough election at the
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  Speaker 5: end of this year, so she's probably back in the
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  Speaker 5: Albo class. But now on Oscus and Mins are daylight
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  Speaker 5: in terms of the numbers they achieve in their states
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  Speaker 5: versus Albow's numbers.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of that, Michael, twenty eight percent
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  Speaker 2: vote for labor when it's had almost no opposition since
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  Speaker 2: the election, had a crushing electoral victory. How do you
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  Speaker 2: explain twenty nine percent?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's because they don't have any solutions and
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  Speaker 4: things are getting worse for the average person. But having
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  Speaker 4: said that, Andrew, I mean even at twenty eight percent
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  Speaker 4: with preferential voting, with One Nation taking all of those
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  Speaker 4: votes off the coalition. You know, he's heading for a
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  Speaker 4: landslide victory. We don't want to kid ourselves here. He
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: might be the most unpopular prime minister of all time
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  Speaker 4: with the largest margin, and that's likely to continue because
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  Speaker 4: you know, you know, I know that everybody's looking at
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  Speaker 4: one Nation and saying, look, it's fantastic what's occurring. But
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  Speaker 4: the reality is, all it's going to do is split
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  Speaker 4: the right of center vote.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of that will drift.
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  Speaker 4: Everywhere, and Albo will get in with an increased majority,
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  Speaker 4: is my reading of it.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, one nation. We've just got to be
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  Speaker 1: very careful if one.
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  Speaker 4: Nation ends up getting rid of all the National Senators,
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  Speaker 4: which is a likelihood on those numbers, have we achieved anything?
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  Speaker 1: Remember the National.
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  Speaker 4: Senators were the only ones that voted against in the Senate,
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  Speaker 4: that is, against those horrible hate speech laws.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's not really an achievement. In my mind, I.
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  Speaker 2: See one nation, you go ahead.
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  Speaker 5: No, Look I think, Michael, I think you're right up
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  Speaker 5: to this moment in time, But I think what's going
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  Speaker 5: to happen over the next little while is if one
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  Speaker 5: nation eats into the labor vote, which I think it
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  Speaker 5: is doing already.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's already getting.
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  Speaker 5: Voters to move across to them where out of having
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  Speaker 5: really attacked labor yet. But if that continues, then one
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  Speaker 5: nation's primary is going to get very much higher, and
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  Speaker 5: the whole labor strategy of relying on green preferences and
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  Speaker 5: everything else to get themselves across the line, I think
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  Speaker 5: it's a problem if the labor primary stays stuck in
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  Speaker 5: the twenties and not in the thirties where it is
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  Speaker 5: in the territory to win. So one nation's impact on
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  Speaker 5: labor is the real fight I think coming up.
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  Speaker 2: And of course one nation could have a very big
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  Speaker 2: block of votes in the Senate as well. And it
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  Speaker 2: may well be that Labour faces a pincer movement one
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  Speaker 2: nation in the countryside and rules in the city figure
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  Speaker 2: theyre act on inter gear and I'll have more about
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  Speaker 2: that later in the show. Julian Hill, Michael Costs and
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  Speaker 2: the Assistant Minister of Multicultural Affairs telling the Left today
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  Speaker 2: to listen seriously to the Australians at the march for
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  Speaker 2: Australia to takes seriously if the concerns about migration and
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  Speaker 2: integration takes seriously some pride in Australia, respect the Australia
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  Speaker 2: Day fly the flag. What did you make of that
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  Speaker 2: speech and it his mission in telling the left to
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  Speaker 2: do all that would be controversial?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it is controversial in the ALP left and the
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  Speaker 4: general left. There's no doubt about it being controversial.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you just got.
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  Speaker 4: To look at the Palestine marches and the sort of
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  Speaker 4: hostility to know Australia Day they're so called invasion day.
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  Speaker 4: So it is it is clearly controversial. But look what
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  Speaker 4: I make of that is he's right on the money, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: but more importantly from a political point of view, clearly
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  Speaker 4: they're worried about one nation, you know, they're worried about
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  Speaker 4: taking that twelve percent, and they're trying to pivot towards it.
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  Speaker 1: What I want to see is what does that mean
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  Speaker 1: in practice?
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  Speaker 4: Does that really mean that they're going to start focusing
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  Speaker 4: in on the values that are required.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you implement that, Andrew.
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  Speaker 4: That's a really difficult one, given that a lot of
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  Speaker 4: these people come in through the Ponzi scheme in the
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  Speaker 4: education system.
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  Speaker 1: Are they going to address that.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to deal with immigration, that's the first
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  Speaker 4: place I would start. I mean, you know, people coming
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  Speaker 4: in for bogus courses and ended up staying and then
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  Speaker 4: bringing all of their family members that have no skills.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know this has been documented over years
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  Speaker 4: and there's no move to do anything about it.
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  Speaker 2: Kerra Remelner, what did you make of Jillian Hill's plead
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  Speaker 2: to the left to be more patriotic and fly the
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  Speaker 2: flag and respect the Australia Day and even the March
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  Speaker 2: for Australia people who of course have been trashed in
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  Speaker 2: the media left as races studded with neo Nazis. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's great.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Jillian Hill called it out for what it
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  Speaker 5: is all the rest of us have been talking about, Andrew.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's good to see that someone from the
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  Speaker 5: chattering classes is finally calling out his comrades and the
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  Speaker 5: left for being part of the sneering classes. And it's
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  Speaker 5: disgusting how they look down their nose at the rest
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  Speaker 5: of us in Australia. But how dare they not be
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  Speaker 5: patriotic for our great country, Andrew?
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  Speaker 2: But they aren't.
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  Speaker 5: They'd rather live anywhere else, but take the benefits obviously
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  Speaker 5: along the way. So I think it's great that Julian's
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  Speaker 5: call out his lefty mates, but let's see the words
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  Speaker 5: become actions.
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  Speaker 2: Well, at least it's good to see Pauline Ansen has
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  Speaker 2: put a rocket up them as well and scared them
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  Speaker 2: into some sense, which I think is the most important fact.
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  Speaker 2: That things she's doing favors she's doing for both parties.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Cossa, Cameron Milner, thank you very much to you both.
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  Speaker 2: After the break. Donald Trump shows how to deal with
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  Speaker 2: Heckler's in his State of the Union address, and Anthony
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  Speaker 2: Albernezi today struggled with his own.
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  Speaker 6: Here.
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  Speaker 2: His critics say, oh that Donald Trump is so loud
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  Speaker 2: and rude and uncouth. I'll tell you what a lot
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  Speaker 2: of his critics are just as bad, and probably worse.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump gave his State of the Union address in
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  Speaker 2: Congress today, going through what had done, especially to cut
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  Speaker 2: the cost of living, because that's his acides. Heel right now,
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  Speaker 2: cost of living staff people feeling a bit uneasy there.
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  Speaker 2: But the US President repeatedly flayed the Democrats sitting before
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  Speaker 2: him for being unpatriotic, unhelpful, and uncharitable, and I must
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  Speaker 2: say did show them up a bit as a bit
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  Speaker 2: of an angry and headless rebel. People like Minnesota Congress
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  Speaker 2: Fomaniel Anoma.
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  Speaker 7: You agree with this statement, then stand up and show
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: your support. The first duty of the American government is
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: to protect American citizens, not illegal areas. You should be
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: ashamed of yourself not standing out.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: They're blocking the removal of.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: These people out of our country, and you should be
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: ashamed of yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a win for Trump there. But what
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: is it with the left? Why is the heckler at
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a political event so much more likely to be of
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the left, arrogant enough to think that everyone should listen
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to them instead of what the public actually came to hear,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: which was not them. I mean, you take the two
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: women who abused the Prime Minister today the Herald Son's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Future Victorious summon in Melbourne. Here's the first of them.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And look, I knew even before I saw the sign
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that this person just had to be a climate catastrophist.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: The crowd cheered when the heckler was thrown out.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: They've enrolled in pre tap. He added a great Australian
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: rob Winter with an award for his sixty years of
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: service to veterans at the Heidelberg Repat Hospital. I visited
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: small businesses in Bayswater, even held an impromptu community meeting
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: on a street corner in Thornbury, enriched by generations of migration.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I celebrated Lounar New Year in Lower Templestowe and celebrated
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Ramadan at.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: The Dananong Night Markets. Of course, immagook.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And then straightaway a second person, some arrogant woman, again
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: ruining for everyone else, mistakenly thinking hers was the most
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: important opinion in the room, And again there were she
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: is when she was booted.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Of course, in between all of that, I enjoyed a
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: lot of great coffee. This is a wonderful global city
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to visit, rightly famous for its major events and vibrant culture.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: This is also a great place to live study.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, those people make public debates so much harder for politicians.
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  Speaker 9: Now.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Good on the Prime Minister for turning up there by
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the way and engaging with the public, especially after her
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: to flee the lodge his home last night for a
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: couple of hours after a bomb threat that was sent
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: to stop performances in Canberra by a classical Chinese dance,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: a music group that's actually linked to the Fantom Gong
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: and banned in China by the Communist Party. Joining Miss
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Rondinas are in chief of The Spectator Australia, hosts of
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Outsiders every Sunday at nine am, and host of his
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: own show at Fridays at seven pm, which is why
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: we're so grateful that we could get one more sol
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of his free time for this show. Rowan. The bomb
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: threat was a hoax and there's no evidence, not us,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: says the Chinese embassy, no evidence that it came from
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: the Chinese regime. But as if Islamic radicalism wasn't enough,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: here's another sign of important trouble.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, the idea of bond threats
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: and this sort of thing is was used to be
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: alien to our country and their way of life, and
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: we've seen that increasingly it has become part of the
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: political discourse. It's unnerving, it's unsettling, and unfortunately it only
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: takes one idiot somewhere to make a hoax call for
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: whatever reason, and suddenly you know, life is disrupted for
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: a prime minister, or for a business conference or whoever,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: and it is so sad because political debate, as you
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: were referring to it, Andrew, used to exist in this country.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: People used to be really happy to have a debate,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: have different opinions, different sides, have a clash of ideas,
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: clash of you know, here's my set of reasons why
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: and here's yours, and we'll talk about it. We'll disagree,
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: but we'll go away and then have a beer down
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: at the pub. Those days seem to have gone, Andrew, I.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Must say this Stance Troup says that there was also
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: a bomb threat to the venue in Brisbane where they were.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to be performing tonight and they
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: face similar things around the world. If this is not
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: associated with Chinese nationalists or Communist Party, Stooges would be
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: very very surprised. Now to another imported trouble. Rowan Sherry
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Marx's documentary last night on Sky News on the Bondo
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: massacre did well in the ratings, but more important, of course,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: was a story it told. What did you take out
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: of it?
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Well, Andrew and I thought it was one of the
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: best documentaries they've ever come out of this country. I'll
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: be blunt and I don't think the ABC could have
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: ever done it. It would have taken the ABC eighteen
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: months and tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: to put sit together something so professional. The fact that
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: it was done so quickly, so superbly, just on the
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: technical side, it.
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: Actually blew me away. The editing, the flow, such a.
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: Complicated story with so many inputs. I worked in film
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: making and editing for thirty forty years and to see
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: the skill with which it was put together, the way
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: the story unfolded, you felt as a viewer you were
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: right there in that horrific setting.
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: And Shari's superbly.
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: She was concise, she got to the points, but she
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: got the emotion out of each of the interviewees. I
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: was astonished by the stories that I wasn't familiar with,
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: such as the Kelly's Sloane story that blew me away
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: and others.
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  Speaker 8: And I just above all, I.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Was interrupt you there Ryan, that Kelly Sloane's story. Can
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I interrupt you because I'm going to show that I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: didn't know this and credit to a New South Wales
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: opposition leader for not having you know, advertised what she did.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: But she was there. And there are some people that
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: run away from danger. There's some people who run to
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: it to help. Kelly Sloane, the Liberal lead in New
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: South Wales, she is someone who runs to help. Here
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: she is.
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  Speaker 10: I don't talk about this much. It's there were there
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: were people on the ground everywhere. So I went in
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: and I saw a guy from the surf club. He said,
• 26:19
  Speaker 10: grab some bandages and plug the holes. I went to
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: the first person I saw on the ground and it
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: was a lady and she had people already plugging the holes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: But what she didn't have was someone holding her hand.
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: And so I.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: Remember holding her hand and saying, my name's Kelly. I'm
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: here with you. I'm holding your hand, I'm with you.
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to leave you. And she didn't make it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: You know, and.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Very moving Rome. What did you take out of that?
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: I thought it was superb And as as you said,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: I hadn't heard that story. And you know, credit to
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Kelly Sloan for not running around saying look at me,
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: look at me. But there were so many stories and
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: so many insights. But I was left, above all with
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: two things Andrew. One was a sense of absolute rage
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: and outrage that this happened in Australia. Allowed to happen
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: in Australia, that the Government of Australia had permitted this
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: to occur.
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: The blame, in my opinion, squarely.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Falls at the feet of Anthony Albernezi, Pennywong and Tony
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Burke for the way they had behaved. Since October seventh,
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, people like yourself, myself, and many, many,
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: many others have been warning about the danger of allowing
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: antisemitism to run riot.
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: Can you imagine?
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: The thought occurred to me halfway through the documentary, what
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: sort of an absolute psychopath would recognize Palestine in the
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: midst of an antisemitism crisis in Australia, when cars are
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: being torched, when synagogues are being burnt, When to sit
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: there and send the official signal of Australia and hey,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: we're on the side of the mob.
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: We were doing this.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: I suddenly occurred to me, and I was blinded with rage,
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: Andrew that this government allowed this to occur, because that
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: is what happened. But the other variation that I felt
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: very very strongly Andrew, was one of the real Australia.
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: We saw the real Australia, the Surfey's the life savers,
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: the bloke, the mate who jumped across the fence to help.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: That was the real Australia that it took place at
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: Bondi Beach. The heart of I guess cultural traditional Shelby
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: right Australia was.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: So I rescue Brown, bond I rescue. Yeah, it was
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: bond I rescue, really big, really big. That is the Australia.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I hope that people recognize and respond to and unite
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: behind Rondine A great tribute there. Thank you so much
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: for you time after the break. How to save the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party from daying? There's amazing data that exposes the problem,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: I said at the top of the show. One nation
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: seems to have scared even labor into it last talking
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: tougher about border controls and Islamic state women coming in
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: And how about we show patriotism and fly the flag,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I said, talking tough. I didn't say doing tough, but anyway,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: yet there's no doubt that the Liberals sure have got
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that message. Here's new leader Angus Taylor today.
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: I participated in Australia Day every single year, as do
• 29:41
  Speaker 11: my colleagues, care and will continue to fly the Australian
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: flag on Australia day. Well, look, our history has it's
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: what's and all. We all know that. But this is
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: our country we should be proud of and we should
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: be celebrating all the time, not just on Australia.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: And Taylor's industry spokesman Andrew Hasey also push patriotism today
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: with an article in The Australian saying when the governing
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: class adopts the negative critique of Australia as its worldview,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: guess what You're going to break faith with a lot
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: of a regular Australians who are proud of their country,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: who love Australia Day, who love Ansect day, who believe
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: in our flag, who believe in our national values and identity.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Well all this is very good, but still nothing like
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: enough to save the Liberals, whose support is at catastrophic lows.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Keith Wallerhand, a lawyer, a former commando and a former
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Liberal MP who lost his seat at the last federal election,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: has written what I think is a brilliant article in
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: inflection Points and what the Liberals must realize before they
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: can save themselves. Keith Wollhan joins me. Now, Keith, great
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to see you again. I've got to congratulate you on
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this article of yours. But before we get to your
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: advice for the liberals, I want to clear up a
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: myth that's misleading many liberals and journalists, this idea that
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the Liberals have to win back the city seats, specifically
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: the seats the Teal MP's won from them quite left
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: wing net zero teals. Your response, are the Teal seats
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the key to the liberals revival?
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: Thank you, Andrew well Over Summer. I went through the
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: history books and compared where we were as a party
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: in twenty thirteen when the Liberal Party had forty four
• 31:30
  Speaker 12: metropolitan seats to where it is at the last election
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: with nine. How did it lose thirty three metropolitan seats?
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: And before addressing that question, you zoom out and compare
• 31:41
  Speaker 12: our House of Representatives with the United States Congress, which
• 31:44
  Speaker 12: your viewers saw in the State of the Union address
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: with Donald Trump. If you are to analyze who makes
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: up the composition of the United States Congress, it is
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: a majority rural, provincial, and metropolitan area by fifty seven percent,
• 31:58
  Speaker 12: so only a minority of forty three percent from the cities.
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: That's why the Republicans can largely not campaign in San
• 32:04
  Speaker 12: Francisco and Boston, New York and Los Angeles. But then
• 32:07
  Speaker 12: come to our parliament, it's quite different. We are much
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: more urbanized. Indeed, one of the most urbanized democracies on Earth.
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: We have a majority of metropolitan seats of fifty seven percent.
• 32:17
  Speaker 12: So the Liberals can't win without metropolitan Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane,
• 32:20
  Speaker 12: Adelaide and Perth. Yeah, we've got nine. So I looked
• 32:23
  Speaker 12: at the seats that we've lost from twenty thirteen to
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: now the thirty three and when you look closely, the
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: teal story is about seven, so six that are Teal
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: and then one that is Green. But the rest twenty
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: eight seats are largely a major party contest between labor
• 32:39
  Speaker 12: and Liberal, where Liberals have lost seats to Labor in
• 32:43
  Speaker 12: largely multicultural suburban seats and they differ a lot in
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: their demographics and the issues that matter. And that was
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: quite a surprise because many talk about the metropolitan story
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: like it's only a teal story, when it's really only
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: twenty percent of the story.
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  Speaker 2: That's very interesting because then you're also talking about seats
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: further out where the old things apply, the traffic, the
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: commute house prices, all that sort of stuff. Now, the
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: other key fact that you raise also needs to be
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: put on the table. You just touched on it there
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: and put on the table before liberals copy one nation
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: rhetoric their tone on immigrants. You point out that of
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the top fifty seats with the most people of migrant background,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: well tell us how many of them are now held
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: by the Liberals.
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: Of those fifty two So, for example, the seat that
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: I represented, it had when you look at people from
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: a first or second generation migrant background, so you have
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: at least one parent or you yourself was born overseas,
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: it's seventy percent. And that's the story throughout metropolitan seats.
• 33:49
  Speaker 12: So we have two out of fifty. Now, that is
• 33:51
  Speaker 12: a depressing statistic for a political party, but for me,
• 33:54
  Speaker 12: it shows enormous opportunity for where the Liberal Party can
• 33:57
  Speaker 12: reach out to a new constituency. And one of the
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: reasons it's a problem, Andrew, is that when you think
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: of many migrants who've come here, that there's no core
• 34:05
  Speaker 12: equities for the Liberal Party.
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: They don't know that the Liberal Party had.
• 34:08
  Speaker 12: This brand reputation on the economy or national security that
• 34:12
  Speaker 12: has to be rebuilt, and it's got to be rebuilt
• 34:15
  Speaker 12: in the face of a scare campaign that's run by
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: the Labor Party, and they run that scare campaign, we
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: can expect them to run it, but we should fight back.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And for me, it also suggests that you can't just
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: fly the flags as a nostalgic kind of gesture or
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you know, talk lovingly about the ansects, much as I
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: admire them, you have to talk about values that migrants
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: came here to participate and to share it to benefit
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: from risking so much. These are we've got to be
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: talking about rallying to a flag that represents the future,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: not the past. But what do you conclude from all this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: Well, my conclusion is largely personal. I wasn't born here, Andrew,
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: and when I came here, I was looking for ways
• 34:59
  Speaker 12: to give back. And I remember in high school having
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: to read that book the one day of the year
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: where it was claiming that Anzac Day was something of
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: the past and it wasn't relevant to migrants like me.
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: That didn't sit right with me, and I wanted to
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: find a way to give back.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And so when I.
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: Served in Afghanistan, the other platoon commander that I served
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: with in Commandos, he wasn't born here either, and many
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: of the soldiers weren't. So we've got to bring new
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: migrants into our sacred stories. And there's no more sacred
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: story than Anzac. But we also need to say that
• 35:28
  Speaker 12: the very things that put you on a plane and
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: brought you to this country.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Are the values that we hold here.
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: And there's no more important value than a quality of
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: opportunity from most of human history and most countries and
• 35:40
  Speaker 12: cities on earth, where you're born, who you know, what
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: your accent is, that decides your lot in life, and
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: this is a country that practice is a dream where
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: that's not true. If you work hard, if you take
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: a risk, and if you put yourself out there, you
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: will be rewarded. But I think people feel that's at
• 35:56
  Speaker 12: risk now and they feel that the Liberal Party needs
• 35:58
  Speaker 12: to stand up for that again and so that we
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: value you and we value the values that you care
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: about too.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And I think too that the liberals have got to
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: learn to talk to people who were born overseas, not
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: as a patronizing not just here's a pamphlet with other
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: languages on the back. This has got to be about
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: a story where there is no first, there and last
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: there and no special place and the welcome to country.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: It's all our country, united by the love of this country.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: That's what we've got to be talking about, isn't it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: Absolutely And some of the most uplifting patriotic things I
• 36:37
  Speaker 12: went to were citizenship ceremonies and you look out in
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: the audience. People they didn't just press a button and
• 36:43
  Speaker 12: come here. For many of them, it took years to
• 36:45
  Speaker 12: go through all of the paperwork and the rigmarole to
• 36:48
  Speaker 12: get here. And you see tears in their eyes when
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: the national anthem is played. And on Australia Day especially,
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: I remember seeing an Iranian girl since she had her
• 36:56
  Speaker 12: fingernails painted with the Australian flag, and just tears flowing
• 36:59
  Speaker 12: down on her face. That's a common sight and I
• 37:02
  Speaker 12: wish more Australians saw that love of country that is
• 37:05
  Speaker 12: everyone's whether you've got ancestors that go back hundreds or
• 37:09
  Speaker 12: thousands of years or you've just come here, you are
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: all Australians equally and we value you equally.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Well, said Keith Waller. And I asked, I urge people
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to read your essay in full, because I think it
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is the best guide to how the liberals can start
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: digging themselves out of the whole. Keith, thank you so
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: much for your time. After the break, disturbing footage that
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: we should be seen by Queers for Palestine and it
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: comes from right here from Sydney. After all the support
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: for Palestine showed by transsexual protesters and by the Queers
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: for Palestine movement, and now a brutal reality check and
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: viewers are warning, I'm about to show a video I
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: know will upset people because the ABC too mighty pleasant
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: surprise as in that they had the guts to report it,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: not surprise pleasant surprise about the news. The ABC reports
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: that young men in Sydney have been bashing young gay
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and bisexual men in attacks apparently inspired by the Islamic State.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Now five of the attackers have already been convicted and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: several attended the Islamic Center also allegedly linked to one
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: of the BONDEI killers, and they filmed some of their bashings.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Again warning to viewers.
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: And you want to be gay? Do you want to
• 38:52
  Speaker 13: be gay?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yes? That was Arabic language you heard there? Joining me
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a Germonton Ninny Colonists and Communityations consultant, correct Carolyn de Russo,
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  Speaker 2: commentator and President of the West Australian Liberals Jemma More
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  Speaker 2: trouble in Sydney inspired by fans of the Islamic state. Look,
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  Speaker 2: with the way voters are reacting at the moment to
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  Speaker 2: this issue of Islamic radicalism, I'm not sure this is
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  Speaker 2: going to play out well for labor for one.
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  Speaker 9: Sorry, Andrew, I've seen that story during the rounds this afternoon,
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  Speaker 9: but that's the first time that I saw the footage
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  Speaker 9: and I'm feeling a little bit like I think any
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  Speaker 9: normal person should react to that. You can hear that
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  Speaker 9: young man pleading with them to stop, and you know
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  Speaker 9: you want to be gay, you want to be gay,
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  Speaker 9: and the Arabic language, it is horrific, And I want
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  Speaker 9: to know that for me gives offers more questions to
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  Speaker 9: me than it provides answers. But what it does say
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  Speaker 9: is that the issues that we have been having with
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  Speaker 9: social cohesion, let's call it that for now, are perhaps
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  Speaker 9: more ingrained than the government or other people would like
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  Speaker 9: us to believe. You can make all manner of sort
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  Speaker 9: of comments about as you said, you know, gays for Palestine,
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  Speaker 9: queis for Palestine. That's kind of a that this is
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  Speaker 9: more serious than that. I'm sorry, Andrew, I'm just so
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  Speaker 9: deeply disturbed by it.
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  Speaker 2: It is very serious, Jim.
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  Speaker 8: I know, I know, my train of.
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  Speaker 2: Thought silly by the way, a gaze for Palestine or
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  Speaker 2: queers for Palestine, Caroline. The point is it goes through
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  Speaker 2: what gem is actually saying, a willful blindness, So not
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  Speaker 2: just from our politician, our willful blindness to what's actually
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  Speaker 2: playing out in our streets. And this has been going on,
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  Speaker 2: because I've reported for decades. This has been going on
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  Speaker 2: for decades. And it's not all just suddenly popped out
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  Speaker 2: of the ground now like matter rooms after a bit
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  Speaker 2: of rain. This is something that we've got to face,
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  Speaker 2: is it not.
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  Speaker 14: Oh absolutely, And like Jemma said, I haven't seen that
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  Speaker 14: footage either, and that is just disgusting. I actually can't
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  Speaker 14: even really quite comprehend it. And we talk all the
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  Speaker 14: time about being a pluralous society and accepting people for
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  Speaker 14: who they are and all of that sort of thing,
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  Speaker 14: and then this carry on is going on. And what
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  Speaker 14: I found particularly interesting about that story in the ABC
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  Speaker 14: is that since twenty twenty three, apparently sixty four people
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  Speaker 14: have been charged in New South Wales and Victoria in
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: relation to this genre of crime, and there have obviously
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  Speaker 14: been some convictions, and I'm sure that, you know, like
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  Speaker 14: with any sort of criminal matter, not all of those
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  Speaker 14: sixty four charges have resulted in convictions. What I really
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  Speaker 14: want to know is why is this being reported now
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  Speaker 14: two years and sixty four charges down the track, Because
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  Speaker 14: to me, you would think that something like that would
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  Speaker 14: be really really relevant and cutos to the ABC for
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  Speaker 14: doing that. But you know, in the meantime, normal everyday
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  Speaker 14: Australians have been gas lipped by all sorts of media
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  Speaker 14: about not using pronouns, about having to you know, have
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  Speaker 14: cupcakes at morning, teeth of visibility days and all of
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  Speaker 14: this sort of thing, which frankly I find really quite superfluous.
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  Speaker 14: But when you see that these sorts of things have
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  Speaker 14: been going on and these have not been reported, and
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  Speaker 14: I think there should be some very serious questions asked
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  Speaker 14: as to why.
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  Speaker 2: That's an excellent point, Gemma, Is it not? Because this
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  Speaker 2: goes to that blindness and that cover up and that
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  Speaker 2: let's not mention, you know, let's not see anything. I
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  Speaker 2: see nothing. Sixty four sixty four charges. You think of
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  Speaker 2: the minimum that we are warning, you know, don't go
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  Speaker 2: here or there, or beware of this, or we're doing outreach.
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  Speaker 2: I heard nothing of the sort.
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  Speaker 9: I have a lot of questions, like you, Andrew, I
• 42:55
  Speaker 9: spent a lot of time in newsrooms, in my case,
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  Speaker 9: radio and television newsrooms, and you're very useful to for example,
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  Speaker 9: police media, you know rightly talking about the work that
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  Speaker 9: they've done and the convictions that they've secured and the
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  Speaker 9: charges that they've laid.
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  Speaker 8: Was this why if not?
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  Speaker 9: Why was this cohort of charges and accused people and
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  Speaker 9: the convictions that were related to it not brought to
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  Speaker 9: the public's attention. Why was it not more widely reported
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  Speaker 9: by media if they did know? There are so many questions, Andrew.
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  Speaker 8: I'm I'm old.
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  Speaker 9: I'm old enough to I'm old enough to remember though
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  Speaker 9: when you know, I've got friends, you know who we're
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: old enough to remember when it wasn't safe for a
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: gay young man to go out at certain places in
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: Sydney because they would be bashed and there were people
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  Speaker 9: being thrown off the gap and things like that. Absolutely horrific,
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  Speaker 9: horrific crimes. And the fact that this has been going
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: on for a couple of years, as the report says,
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  Speaker 9: and it's been known to authorities, the ideological, ideological bent
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  Speaker 9: of those committing these crimes, and where just finding out
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  Speaker 9: about now it shows me that the dark underbelly of
• 44:05
  Speaker 9: this issue that we've been told that we're overreacting to
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  Speaker 9: is actually deeply more deeply entrenched than even we thought.
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely spot on. I mean, it's interesting. I had
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  Speaker 2: an example of this not wanting to know or not
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  Speaker 2: wanting to tell the strain. Federal Police last week issued
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  Speaker 2: a press release saying, oh, look, we've all got to community.
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  Speaker 2: The community has got to help stop this phenomenon of
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  Speaker 2: arranged marriages, even kids being sent overseas to marry you know, men,
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  Speaker 2: men that have been chosen for them. We've got to
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  Speaker 2: help stop it. And then it said, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: could happen in any religion, any community without everyone knows
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  Speaker 2: which community they're actually talking about. Everyone knows and once
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  Speaker 2: arranged marriages.
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  Speaker 9: How many Catholics have arranged marriages? I mean, my brother
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: used to joke about them finding me a husband and
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  Speaker 9: shipping him over from Italy. But you know what, let's
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  Speaker 9: be honest about this issue.
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  Speaker 2: No, but they're not. This is the strain Federal Police,
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  Speaker 2: which I have to say, Caroline seems under woke management lately.
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  Speaker 2: I have to say that, but I mean, this is
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary stuff.
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  Speaker 14: It is extraordinary stuff. And look, I obviously and like
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  Speaker 14: you don't have that next layer of information that sits
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  Speaker 14: behind that. So I don't know why the police have
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  Speaker 14: you done whatever announcements or statements in the way that
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  Speaker 14: they have. But the simple fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 14: is you can't You can't fix problems if you're not
• 45:37
  Speaker 14: willing to identify the name them No. One hundred and
• 45:42
  Speaker 14: this thing goes back to no, they've absolutely had enough.
• 45:46
  Speaker 14: And this is where it comes back to this whole
• 45:48
  Speaker 14: question of values. Right, if you don't share our values,
• 45:52
  Speaker 14: that's totally fine. You don't have to live here. No
• 45:54
  Speaker 14: one who's holding a gun to your head. But if
• 45:57
  Speaker 14: you are going to live here, you don't get to
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  Speaker 14: do like that because that there totally cuts across. It
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  Speaker 14: is the antithesis of what it means to be part
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  Speaker 14: of the community here in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then people that necessarily want to be part of
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the community, or they want to be part of a
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: small community. You look at parts of Melbourne, you look
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: at parts of Sydney, and there are ethnic communities in
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: various suburbs highly concentrated with their satellite dishes, all pointed
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  Speaker 2: to their homeland with these shops or with their language,
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  Speaker 2: their own language over the top, I mean, you come here.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Immigration has I'm sorry to offend some people in some
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  Speaker 2: cases become more like colonization. It's absolutely true. Just quickly, Jemma,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: we've got so much spending now is if photos no
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: longer care where the money comes from, or how high
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the debt goes, or who pays for it. Yet even
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the Liberals now are not ruling out giving cash to
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: parents the fund and find their own childcare, possibly allowing
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: them to pay their own parents to mine the grandchildren.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I can't believe this. Could the liberals really be thinking
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  Speaker 2: of paying grandparents to do what I thought love should
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  Speaker 2: prompt them to do.
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  Speaker 9: Professionalize, you're reading it, You're reading it the wrong way.
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  Speaker 9: What it is doing is given And I'm not a parent.
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  Speaker 9: My journey around that is very well documented. If anyone's
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  Speaker 9: bored enough, they can go read about it. But this
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  Speaker 9: is about giving choice and agency back to parents. We
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: have a policy right now that is ideologically captured. It's
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: ideologically about getting children into institutionalized childcare. Offering one pathway alone,
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: it has impacts for things like productivity, even on an
• 47:39
  Speaker 9: anecdotal basis, Andrew, I have many, many friends of who
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: are parents of young children, who say, I would rather
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: be working, but there's no way I'm putting my child
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: into a systemic or like a systemaized child. But my
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: point is, why shouldn't you Though my mother, for example,
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: blessed her, she's probably watching Hallow Catherine, my mother would
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: not be in a position. She's a pensioner, right, so
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: if I had kids and I needed them to be
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: looked after, it would be the ability to cover her
• 48:08
  Speaker 9: cost to pay for her pet. We're not talking cattle
• 48:10
  Speaker 9: stations here. This is good policy and more importantly, it's
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: policy that is listening to the swathes of Australian parents
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  Speaker 9: who for too long have been lectured to by this
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  Speaker 9: government saying if you don't put your your zero to
• 48:23
  Speaker 9: three year old child into institutionalized care, you're a bad parent.
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  Speaker 2: It's gas lighting.
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  Speaker 1: It's terrible policy.
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  Speaker 2: So what nets paying mothers look after their own children.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what this is about.
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  Speaker 2: In you knowing mothers to look after their own children,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: fathers to take their children to the soccer and it's
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  Speaker 2: not correct. I've to go. I've got to go. Sharry's
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  Speaker 2: Sharry's waiting, Germy Tonini, Carolyndrusso, thank you very much to
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  Speaker 2: you both. That's it for me, Sharry, maxon up next.
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  Speaker 2: Good night,