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Ben Midgley- Segment 4 · Newsradio WGAN

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  You've counted on Inside Maine for over 20 years for smart
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  political talk and real conversations with the state's
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  leaders on 98.5 FM, AM 560 and wgan.com.
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  We are back on inside Main. I'm Aaron Chad born hosting this
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  week. Thank you for being here with
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  us. Thanks to Angus King the 3rd for
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  joining us. One quick clean up.
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  There's something he said I as as listeners will know, I don't
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  believe in going back and forth with people when they're on.
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  But one thing he said is that he thinks the reason for the
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  decline in education, he would undo the cuts made by Governor
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  LePage to education funding. And I just want to point out
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  factually that every single year under Governor LePage, education
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  spending went up both as a dollar number and as a
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  percentage of the cost of education.
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  And Democrats weren't willing to meet the 55% then.
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  It was always been a farce. And since Janet Mills has spent
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  more and more money, our performance has continued to
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  decline. So I think it was a bogus
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  reason. He's using Le Page as a
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  boogeyman, but not my place to debate him.
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  While he was on the air, it was my role to bring him to our
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  listeners. 879-9426, the number if you want to text in any
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  questions for the candidates we have on today.
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  Joining us now is Republican candidate for Governor, Ben
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  Midgley. Ben, thanks for being back with
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  us here on Inside Main. Hey, Aaron, how are you?
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  I'm doing well. I know you've got a busy
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  schedule out there, so appreciate you making time.
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  You know, as a first time candidate, the first time we had
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  you on, you were easing into it. Now we're getting closer to the
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  Election Day. What have you learned and what's
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  changed for you out there on the campaign trail?
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  Oh my goodness. Yeah, let's see.
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  I mean, lots. And things have gotten
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  tremendously busier. We're at a great gun shop up
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  here. I'll give him a shout out.
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  JT Reed's gun shop in Auburn right now.
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  Just an event this morning. Got another one after this.
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  I mean, the schedule obviously is nonstop, especially at this
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  stage because there's only 30 days left.
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  But you know, the whole, the whole campaign process, as you
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  know, well, just goes through all these phases.
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  If you start and you don't have name recognition, you got to
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  build credibility and meet with all the legislators, the
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  activists and meeting people in town halls and you go through
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  talk of season and go into debate season.
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  And then you're, you're finally on your own to run your schedule
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  and kind of Sprint through the finish.
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  So it's been a heck of an experience.
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  It's, it's been great. I think I've driven, I know for
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  a fact I've driven over 60,000 miles in Maine because you can't
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  get anywhere easily. And luckily I've had my wife
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  right next to me, Sonya, for most of that.
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  And overall, it's been a great experience.
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  We're getting really good momentum now, and you just got
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  to keep rolling and then ideally get into that general and, you
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  know, beat the Democrats. Yeah, no, JT Reed does have a
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  great job, especially his new store.
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  It's a really good store, really great guy that runs it in the in
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  the you speaking about being in Auburn in the prior segment, I
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  was talking to Angus King the 3rd and I asked him about the
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  crime wave that we've been seeing in Lewiston, obviously an
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  increase in shootings and gun violence.
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  I asked him what he thought means governor should be able to
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  do about that. What could means governor do to
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  help solve that? I'd be interested in your
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  perspective on that same question.
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  Given this uptick we've seen in gun violence in Lewiston and
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  crime particularly in Lewiston, what do you think means Governor
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  can and should be doing about that?
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  Well, I mean, I think in, in the past, I mean, the state's
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  support of law enforcement is eroded.
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  I mean, there's simply no question about that.
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  I mean, I'm, I'm a strong law enforcement supporter.
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  I've set across the state that I'll defend the police.
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  I won't defund them. It's just, you know, we've had
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  sort of watered down laws. We've got, you know, one of the
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  biggest issues I'm sure, you know, is bail violations in the
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  state. Folks get arrested for a certain
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  issue and they're out pretty much immediately.
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  It's hard to keep folks in there.
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  I was talking to one of the sheriff's and I don't need to
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  say their name, but you know, they could say they can arrest
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  someone on a drug related charge.
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  And before they get the opportunity to have that person
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  in court, they've already been arrested two more times because
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  they can get out and get going again.
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  So it makes the cycle very, very hard for folks.
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  And we've also been pretty, pretty open on the trail that my
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  wife and I lost our nephew to a drug overdose, like a lot of
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  families in Maine. And we're still in the top top
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  10 for drug overdoses and drug deaths nationally, which is
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  just, it's really outrageous. So it's, it's a, it's a big
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  problem to, to address that you've got to have a real strong
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  combination of enforcement first and foremost.
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  You've got to have a rehabilitation aspect.
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  And you do have to have, you know, prevention, try and stop
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  folks from getting into situations in the 1st place.
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  But you know, overall, without going into too much detail, you
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  just have to have a very pro law enforcement support posture.
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  And then honestly, I think you need to change out judges in the
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  state. The judges are what, you know,
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  the governor can do down many levels are, you know, kind of
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  eroding the rights of, you know, the victims in the state.
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  You just can't have that similar that you'd see played out in
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  other other, you know, states that are mostly blue.
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  So a similar thing that we're seeing in other states too is
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  that the cost of everything has gone up.
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  But in Maine, it seems like affordability is even more
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  acute. When you look at our electricity
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  costs, where you look at health insurance and health costs.
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  It seems the policies of the Mills administration have led to
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  Maine being at the depending whether you're ranking of the
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  most expensive or the worst performing, where you at the top
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  most expensive and where some of the worst performing when it
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  comes to energy costs, healthcare costs and it's it's
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  exacerbating generated under Governor Mills.
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  What do you think can be done by Maine's next governor about
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  that? What would you do?
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  How would you tackle those types of affordability challenges?
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  A lot of things, but I think what on that particular
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  question, because you're 100% right, is you've got to answer
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  each one in detail, right? Like there's we can talk about
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  electricity for 20 minutes alone.
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  We could talk about housing for the same thing, health
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  insurance. So where do you want me to
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  start? You pick.
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  Well, it's, I mean, I guess you probably talked a lot about
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  electricity. So why don't we just let me just
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  talk about housing for a second. So the challenge with housing
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  and it was actually a great story.
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  I think it was in the Portland Press Herald today, right?
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  So Portland, for example, was talking about how their policies
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  that penalize builders if they don't do a certain amount of
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  workforce or low income housing is actually they finally realize
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  it's hurting production of homes.
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  They've got an actual $186,000 fine if you don't build enough,
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  you know, low income housing units and builders are just
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  saying, you know what, it's too challenging to do that in
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  Portland, so I'm just not going to build it.
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  There was another story in the Bangor Daily News just a little
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  while ago that a developer of a 300 unit project walked because
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  they said, look, this is expensive for me to develop here
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  as it is in Boston and I can't get Boston rents.
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  So to look at fixing housing in Maine, I mean beyond interest
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  rates coming down, starting to make mortgages more affordable,
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  which isn't the root of the problem, but it does affect
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  affordability. Volume is the only way you're
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  going to get pricing down. So you need a multi tiered
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  development plan for each aspect of the market.
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  OK, so you can have developers who have expertise and this is
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  factual and all segments of the market, whether it's single
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  family, multifamily apartments, you know, efficiency homes,
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  prefab, whatever it is, even, you know, homes under $100,000,
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  mobile homes or you know, smart homes where they can make money
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  selling to any aspect of the market.
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  The trick is being able to open them up so they feel confident
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  to go and build. It takes a long time to get
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  permitting for example. And the average cost of these
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  regulations that's over burdensome to these builders can
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  add 20 to 30% of the cost. So you got to hit both of those.
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  So for example, the Department of Environmental Protections, we
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  have a long wait for folks to get their permits.
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  So as governor, I'd certainly institute, you know, a 60 day
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  expedited permitting rule. You can do that via like
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  executive accident, but you also have to couple that with
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  allowing outside consultant review because we've got a high
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  volume of permits that need to get through and the, the
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  department just doesn't have the staffing to get these permits
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  reviewed and out, you know, out the door fast enough.
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  So if you haven't got your approval within 60 days and
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  you've done everything right, you get your approval.
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  The same with the Department of Transportation.
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  Because these traffic permitting jobs take a very long time,
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  you've got to limit discretionary reviews.
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  Even even very liberal states like California and Oregon have
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  moved in that direction. So if a project meets the rules,
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  it gets approved. You've got things like the
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  Community Preservation Act in Massachusetts, that's again, you
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  know, pretty blue state, but they're, they're doing the
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  housing better than we are. It's, it's a private public
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  partnership that essentially supports infrastructure costs
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  and, you know, to get the financing over the top for the
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  developers and they put 10,000 homes in the place, which then
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  in turn raises local taxes and state revenue tax.
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  So all sorts of things you can work with the the PUC to work
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  with the Public Utilities to improve expedited service, main
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  water, CNP, Unitel, look at the main uniform building code with
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  developer feedback. Get those, you know, get those
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  burdensome regulations out of there, you know, and you can't
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  impede on home rule, but you can involve the, you know, the
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  communities in doing this as well.
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  Incentivize them. And I don't want to take up too
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  much time because I got about 14 more things to.
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  Talk about, I don't want to get you in trouble, but I think you
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  should impede on home rule. Just put in the plug there.
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  I think honestly, one of the biggest challenges with permits
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  and stuff is that they, they, it's different to build a house
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  in Standish than it is in Buxton.
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  And they're right next to each other and they're, so some
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  builders won't build in one, they'll build in the other.
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  And we just make it way too complicated to build.
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  So I know, I know Maine has this tradition.
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  I worked with Governor LePage and trying to get the schools to
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  regionalize and share resources and do things together.
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  And I've got a lot of battle scars from it.
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  But honestly, we make it way too hard and way too expensive on
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  ourselves. We do.
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  But as you said, right, I think there's a way to bring everyone
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  to the table, right, with incentives to get more housing
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  in to, to get through that conversation because you know,
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  you got some stubborn municipalities.
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  There's no doubt about it. And we certainly make it more.
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  Complicated to control their own thing.
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  One of the things they get worried about is if you put us
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  together with other people we don't have control over.
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  I get it, they don't want to spend the money, but we're
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  making it more expensive about our own demise.
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  You're listening to INSIDE Main. I'm your host Aaron Chadbourne.
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  We're speaking with candidate for governor Ben Midgley.
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  Ben, I asked you a little bit about the race.
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  I know you guys have been at all of these forums, all of these
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  debates. I think there's one last, last
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  televised debate coming up next week on NEWS CENTER.
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  And just as an observer, right? I think one of the things that's
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  always hard when you have so many people in a debate, and I
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  know Robert Wessels wasn't able to be included in the last one
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  and Bobby Charles skipped the last one.
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  But here's my question for you. Because I think as a political
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  newcomer and as someone that people are just starting to get
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  to know, how is it that you plan to stand out in this last
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  debate? And what do you hope people take
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  away from seeing you on that stage?
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  Well, I think I might disagree. I think we're fairly well known
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  at this stage, Aaron, to that degree.
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  You know, we've done great across the state.
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  We won all the caucuses straw polls that they had except for
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  one, which was a cast straw poll, not a voting straw poll.
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  We won the GOP statewide straw poll.
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  And then, you know, on the Monday night debate, Channel 6
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  had us, you know, ahead in the poll at the end of that debate
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  had a really good debate performance on the Thursdays
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  not. That anyone can hear it with
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  those sound issues. That one was tough.
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  Oh my goodness. I heard about that, Yeah.
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  You don't know that. Yeah, in the studio, you have no
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  idea, but we were like watching it at home and we're like, I
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  have no idea what they're saying.
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  Your mic was. Your mic was better than some of
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  the other ones, but it was tough.
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  Yeah, and I had like, I was dying for a tissue there.
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  I couldn't stop sniffing. I was trying to get over a cold.
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  But anyway, so we got one more debate.
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  I think what's going to happen in this debate, though, is on
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  and I'm a little, you know, I'm not a guy who attacks other
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  people. That's just not, not my plan.
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  I think you have to run on your own character and credentials.
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  We got a few folks that are pretty aggressive attacking.
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  That's the political nature. So I'm a little concerned it's
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  going to be dominated by, you know, people trying to take
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  shots or, you know, be a little more aggressive on folks than
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  they should. You know, my focus has always
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  been just, you know, run on your own character and credentials.
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  Focus on the issues. We have too many serious and
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  they are serious issues basing our state right now to spend any
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  time really bouncing back and forth with, you know, quips or
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  comments. So that's my focus.
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  I'm not changing it. And somebody wants to attack me,
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  go ahead. But to me, at this point, it's
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  all nonsense. You know, I've been around the
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  corporate world. It doesn't bother me to take
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  criticism. You don't need to fire back.
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  And, you know, our focus is to fix the challenges in Maine.
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  So one of the pieces that came reported out of the last debate
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  that you were in was this announcement by your your
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  campaign and David Jones campaign that there was some
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  sort of alliance going on. And I assume that's outrank rank
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  choice voting. Are you approaching this race
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  different because there is ranked choice voting?
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  How are you thinking about that? Yeah, I don't like ranked choice
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  voting. I don't think any Republican
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  does. And if we had the the numbers, I
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  think we'd certainly repeal it and get rid of it.
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  But it's the world that we're in right now.
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  And, you know, you'd be unwise not to take advantage of the
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  rules as they are. I mean, the the goal is to get
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  the best candidate into the general that has the best chance
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  of winning the election. Obviously that's up for
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  everybody out there to make their own choice.
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  You know, we've been positioning from the standpoint that we feel
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  based on our approach and the team that I have around me, we
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  are best suited to get the independence and such over
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  towards the Republican side. Because on the Republican ticket
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  we're outnumbered by 40,000 registered Democrats.
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  You know the numbers, you know, probably better than anybody.
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  So unless you can get a good interest on the Republican side,
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  good energy, and then sometimes Republicans just don't go out,
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  you know, for every election. So we've got to make sure folks
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  get out and vote. But if you don't get the
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  independence to move towards the Republican argument and get
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  those disenfranchised Democrats, you're not going to do that.
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  So now that that's our primary focus is to get into the
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  general. The partnership David and I have
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  is basically saying, look, we think we're the best candidate,
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  but if not, you know, you're going to vote.
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  We suggest you vote for, you know, either David or myself.
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  And, you know, we need to have a probusiness candidate with ACEO
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  background that can just get in there and ideally cut through
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  some of the red tape, not exposed to the deep aspects of,
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  you know, the political back and forth and get as much progress
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  as we can from Maine. I mean, you would think after
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  eight years of Janet Mills and Democrat control of the entire
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  legislature, if this weren't the election, that independents were
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  going to be persuaded to come to the Republicans.
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  Like, when are you going to have one?
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  Because I would think that that's the case.
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  But you never know. People make their own decisions
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  for their own reasons. Yeah.
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  One of the things that you've talked about and the other
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  candidates have talked about is, is spending and runaway spending
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  in Augusta, which if you look at how much Janet Mills has
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  increased state spending since she took office, it's just
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  unbelievable. You'd never have believed it if
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  we told you 8 years ago that would have happened.
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  But one of the challenges that Paula Page had, and having
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  worked for him, I saw this, he would propose cutting
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  everything. Like he was very disciplined.
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  He he, he took a fine tooth comb and he's a turn around guy,
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  right? So he was very bottoms up in his
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  approach to finance. He looked at everything but the
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  second, it didn't matter what it was that you propose cutting or
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  reducing or taking out. And again, Angus King, the third
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  is lying about some of what what we did and didn't do.
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  But but the second, he proposed reducing any amount of
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  government spending. You have these constituencies
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  that come out of the woodwork who are getting that money and
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  they run to their Republican, independent or Democrat state
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  legislators and those legislators lose all nerve and
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  they say how dare you actually cut it?
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  What do you think are the most likely things that actually
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  could be reduced in spending that's wasteful right now in
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  Augusta? Yeah, I mean, I've been talking
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  about one in particular and I'll get to that.
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  But I mean, the thing to turning around the state's a combination
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  of, you know, reducing spending, you know, an effective way.
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  And what I do say all the time is the difference in businesses.
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  There's a person on the end of every dollar you take when
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  you're in government and there's a person on the end of every
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  dollar you spend. So you've got to be, you know,
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  very thoughtful and practical in terms of how you spend in the
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  corporate world. You can just say, hey, that
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  percentage is too high. We're going to cut that, right?
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  I've run big, big businesses. I've built a billion dollar
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  company from scratch, created 15,000 jobs.
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  I get all that. But you know, you've got to be a
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  little more methodical and thoughtful when you're cutting
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  in terms of government spending. Then you've got to lower taxes
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  for folks. What the Democrats haven't
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  realized is when you know, you lower taxes for people, for
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  corporations, they have more money in their pocket, They
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  spend more. The state actually makes more
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  money. So if you have, I mean, there's
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  an adjustment period, generally the first year, but then you
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  exceed revenue projections. But if the state starts to make
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  more revenue, it makes it easier to reduce spending, right?
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  Because you know, on, on the corporate world, the term would
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  be sales. Care is everything.
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  If revenue is there, you don't have to worry as much on the
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  other side. And then thirdly, you have to
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  have economic growth, which you know, we're, we're, we're
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  terrible there. We have zero job growth
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  forecasted through 2029. And you can't do that bad if
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  you're trying to do that bad. I mean, so that being said, you
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  need those 3 aspects. But if you look at our budget,
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  you know, 77% of our budget is in the Department of Health and
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  Human Services and the Department of Education, right?
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  And obviously, our main welfare system is a massive chunk of our
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  budget. We've got over 400,000 people on
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  the welfare system somewhere or another and the average
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  recipients getting $40,000 of benefits.
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  That's it's an incredible number.
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  We're fifth highest in the country.
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  So if you could just get the states welfare plan back down to
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  the median for the country, which is 25,000, that's a $6
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  billion savings, 4 billion on the federal side, 2 billion in
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  states. I've been on the welfare system,
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  you know, I'm the only candidate has been on unemployment and
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  food stamps. And so I understand the benefit
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  of the program when you need it, but it's not a lifestyle.
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  Man's making it a lifestyle. And they're trapping people in
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  there because we have something that you're well aware of is the
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  Cliff. If you make too much money and
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  it's not very much money at all, you lose all your benefits.
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  So man's created a system where they're forcing people to stay
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  into it. And that's why we're 4% lower in
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  labor force participation rate. So you have to create a bridge
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  for folks to, you know, earn a little more money, pay into the
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  system, earn a little more money, pay into the system and
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  then you work them off the system.
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  Now, the page even tried that back then.
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  That was resistance with Democrats actually don't want to
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  let folks off, but that is a top priority for me.
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  And then you create an orientation program for folks
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  before they come into the system that explains like this is, you
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  know, getting you back on your feet program.
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  This isn't lifestyle maintenance program.
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  No, it was Ronald Reagan who said you judge the success of
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  welfare by how many people come off, not how many.
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  Go on, Ben, we're out of time. If people want to learn more,
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  where can they go to learn more about your campaign?
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  Yeah, well, first, thanks again for having me.
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  It's always great to talk to you.
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  Just go to Ben for governor.com or Ben for Governor Facebook.
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  And thanks again for the time Aaron.
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  Hope you doing have a great weekend.
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  Well, you mentioned your wife being a strong supporter.
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  She told me she was hoping to get some time at the lake this
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  summer. But if you're successful, I got
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  news for her you might not. You might.
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  You might be waiting till next summer to get your lake time.
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  I hope you're able to get some relaxation despite all this hard
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  work. Good luck out there.
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  Ben, thanks for joining us. You're listening to INSIDE MAIN.
• 18:43
  I'm your host, Aaron Chadbourne. Owen McCarthy will be joining us
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  in studio when we come back as we continue gubernatorial
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  palooza here on INSIDE MAIN.