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With Great Power #321... 22 Panels with David Hyde · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:02
  Tad Eggleston: Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to 22 Panels. I feel like I was just here, cause… cause I wrapped with
• 0:09
  Tad Eggleston: with, Nick Thorburn, like…
• 0:13
  Tad Eggleston: 40 minutes ago, just in time to talk to David Hyde. Since I talked about you coming up on the last episode, I figured I should talk about him on this episode, just for…
• 0:23
  Tad Eggleston: My mom and brother and anybody else who happens to listen to this podcast, hyperit. Hi, John.
• 0:30
  Tad Eggleston: When you've got a small, small podcast, David, you can greet everybody by name every episode, if you feel like it.
• 0:37
  David Hyde: 100%, and…
• 0:39
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think you have this problem with your podcast.
• 0:42
  David Hyde: You know, but we are aware of who our, most attuned listeners are.
• 0:48
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 0:48
  David Hyde: They are also, family, and close friends, for sure.
• 0:54
  Tad Eggleston: There you go.
• 0:57
  Tad Eggleston: So my guest tonight is David Hyde, and I will admit that as a teacher at the end of the school year, I did, like, yeah, no prep. So I know about you, what I've gleaned from emails.
• 1:12
  Tad Eggleston: from your company, and from the handful of things I've…
• 1:18
  Tad Eggleston: interactions I've had with you. So, essentially that you're a Red Sox fan, and you promote comics. So…
• 1:26
  Tad Eggleston: We're gonna start with David. Tell me a little bit about yourself.
• 1:30
  David Hyde: Well, I'm a Red Sox fan, and also, I promote comics.
• 1:35
  Tad Eggleston: Wow, I did all the research.
• 1:37
  David Hyde: Well, thank you for… thanks for having me on, this was really amazing, and appreciate the conversation. Now,
• 1:43
  David Hyde: Yeah, so, so where to start? Those are things that take up a lot of my, time.
• 1:51
  David Hyde: I run, Superfan Promotions, and have been doing that for 13 years.
• 1:58
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so yeah, it's been around way longer than I realized.
• 2:01
  David Hyde: Yeah, yeah. 13 years is like a… substantial amount of time, right?
• 2:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, my kids are older than that, but my grandkids aren't, so…
• 2:13
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 2:15
  David Hyde: I mean.
• 2:16
  Tad Eggleston: You've got more time in your job than I have in mine. I got my 10-year service award today.
• 2:21
  David Hyde: Oh, okay.
• 2:21
  Tad Eggleston: my high school. Yeah.
• 2:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they gave me a pin, a very nice pin.
• 2:27
  David Hyde: 13 years in doing what I do is enough to see a lot of change, sort of.
• 2:34
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 2:34
  David Hyde: day.
• 2:35
  Tad Eggleston: This is comic books. 13 weeks is enough to see a lot of change.
• 2:39
  David Hyde: Especially this year.
• 2:44
  David Hyde: That is true, that is true.
• 2:45
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, how long have comic books been dying?
• 2:49
  David Hyde: Right? Right? Since they printed the first one.
• 2:52
  David Hyde: You know? I think it was actually.
• 2:54
  Tad Eggleston: Especially before that.
• 2:57
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, this is kind of like… you're a baseball fan, so you'll appreciate this. Do you know when the first, like.
• 3:06
  Tad Eggleston: newspaper article that involved a veteran ballplayer talking about the kids today not having any grit, and not playing the game the right way, and in our day.
• 3:17
  Tad Eggleston: we would, not put up with that, blah blah blah. You know when the first, like, article that anybody can find that has that cliche in it is from?
• 3:28
  David Hyde: I cannot wait to find out.
• 3:30
  Tad Eggleston: 1878.
• 3:33
  David Hyde: I was… I was thinking 1910, so… Yeah.
• 3:36
  Tad Eggleston: The National League had been around for 2 years.
• 3:39
  David Hyde: That's amazing.
• 3:40
  David Hyde: It says a lot about the kinds of personality that die-hard… that attracts, like, the die-hard baseball fan and the die-hard comic fan. It's definitely…
• 3:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, also the players and creators, because, I mean, that's the player.
• 3:55
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 3:55
  Tad Eggleston: Talking about…
• 3:57
  David Hyde: Oh, yeah.
• 3:58
  Tad Eggleston: But… I mean, I've talked to enough creators.
• 4:02
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I… I… and I won't name him this time. I name him, like, half the time. People can find him in the… in the…
• 4:13
  Tad Eggleston: In the archives, and he still comes on.
• 4:17
  Tad Eggleston: Thankfully, because he's so easy… supposedly so easy to upset, but I don't think I've managed to upset him yet, which is why I'm always careful when I talk about him. But,
• 4:28
  Tad Eggleston: right after insisting that there were absolutely no good new comics, blah blah blah, he turned me on to Stefan Frank, and I went, but isn't this new? He's like, well, except this one.
• 4:43
  David Hyde: Yeah, he's… he's great.
• 4:45
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, Stefan Frank's amazing.
• 4:47
  David Hyde: What an amazing human being, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
• 4:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, he's a four-time guest?
• 4:53
  Tad Eggleston: On 22 Panels now?
• 4:56
  Tad Eggleston: And we're doing, Palomino as our Pulp Blotter book club right now.
• 5:01
  David Hyde: Oh, that's great!
• 5:02
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 5:03
  Tad Eggleston: That's great. So we did two volumes already, and I think we're recording our discussion on the next two volumes either this Sunday or next Sunday. Maybe next Sunday. I think the 31st. That sounds right.
• 5:14
  David Hyde: I've been working with him for… many years now.
• 5:20
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah?
• 5:20
  David Hyde: You know, the, gosh, maybe 8 years? 7, 8 years?
• 5:25
  Tad Eggleston: So another person that you've known longer than me.
• 5:28
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 5:28
  Tad Eggleston: Everybody seems to know you.
• 5:30
  David Hyde: I've been around, you know?
• 5:32
  Tad Eggleston: That's what it sounds like.
• 5:33
  David Hyde: I've been doing this for 13 years, and before that, I was at, DC Comics for 9 years.
• 5:38
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 5:39
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 5:40
  David Hyde: And then before that, I was at Random House for 5 years.
• 5:43
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. And like I said, Nick Thorburn was just on, and when I brought up your name, he's like, yeah, you mean from DC? And I'm like, I need to do some homework, because I didn't know that, but you've now confirmed it.
• 5:57
  David Hyde: I confirmed it. It is true.
• 6:00
  Tad Eggleston: Did you do similar work at DC? Were you in promotions there?
• 6:03
  David Hyde: I ran the PR office for…
• 6:05
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 6:06
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: So that would have been… Would that have been in the Paul Levitt series?
• 6:12
  David Hyde: She was Levitt's into the entertainment years.
• 6:16
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 6:17
  Tad Eggleston: Levitz has been on a couple of times, too, so, like, I…
• 6:21
  David Hyde: It's a small world, right?
• 6:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it is, it is.
• 6:25
  Tad Eggleston: But again, autism brain, so I start drawing all the lines that might lead to questioning, or…
• 6:31
  Tad Eggleston: Just feeling cool, whatever.
• 6:35
  Tad Eggleston: So tell me about what Superfan Promotions does, because I know that I get wonderful emails with press releases and links to things to read, and that I can email back and set up interviews, and that's a beautiful thing to me, because it's so much easier than
• 6:55
  Tad Eggleston: sending the cold emails, which I still do plenty of, but… but, like…
• 7:01
  David Hyde: No, it's a great question.
• 7:03
  Tad Eggleston: Or, like.
• 7:03
  David Hyde: The, the,
• 7:05
  David Hyde: the kind of course correction that I try to give new clients when we have our kickoff call, which is kind of what we do is publicity, right? Like, you just…
• 7:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 7:16
  David Hyde: Kind of laid out very traditional publicity, day-to-day, workflow, right?
• 7:23
  David Hyde: But what I tell clients for that first call is, don't think of what we do together as promotion. One, because I at least find promotion super awkward. Some people love it. Some people thrive on it. I find the majority of people in the comic industry are…
• 7:41
  David Hyde: Shy about it or conflicted about it.
• 7:44
  Tad Eggleston: this.
• 7:44
  David Hyde: What I encourage people to do is to… Think of…
• 7:49
  David Hyde: what our job really is, which is to start a bunch of conversations, right? And to bring people in, bring people behind the scenes about how and why they make the comics that they make.
• 8:01
  David Hyde: And I'm thinking of it like a party.
• 8:05
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 8:06
  David Hyde: Where you want to have as many conversations, and that are really rewarding, and then,
• 8:12
  David Hyde: with as many people as you can, but you also want to have, like, meaningful conversations so that the next time you end up at a party with those people, you gravitate towards them and have something to talk about. And that is largely what we want to do, is…
• 8:28
  David Hyde: Let me say that… 2026 is a really hard time to nurture community.
• 8:35
  David Hyde: Like, so much of what we do, like, day-to-day feels destabilized currently.
• 8:42
  David Hyde: And…
• 8:43
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 8:45
  David Hyde: And part of our job
• 8:47
  David Hyde: While we're writing a press release, or we're booking an interview, is just to try to get everyone to take a deep breath.
• 8:54
  David Hyde: And… Be present in the moment as long as they can, and celebrate comics together.
• 9:03
  David Hyde: So… so that's what we do. It's a mix of a lot of traditional, press approaches, booking interviews with legacy media, booking interviews with podcasts, trying to get review coverage, which is harder and harder than it's ever been.
• 9:20
  Tad Eggleston: Review coverage?
• 9:22
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you realize that we're, like, half a day away from people not knowing what the word review means.
• 9:27
  David Hyde: Oh, I know. It's… it's wild, right?
• 9:30
  Tad Eggleston: On the flip side, I mean, you know what I've been seeing in the hallways this year?
• 9:38
  Tad Eggleston: Hacky sacks. So, I mean, maybe reviews will come back as the niche thing in, like, 10 or 15 years.
• 9:44
  David Hyde: I think, I think there's gonna be a real backlash to the…
• 9:48
  David Hyde: very corporate times that we live in, in a really serious way, that is probably already happening.
• 9:58
  David Hyde: You know, especially for, like, the younger generation.
• 10:02
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, it is happening, and in some ways, I would think that that's actually…
• 10:07
  Tad Eggleston: One of the reasons why… why reviews…
• 10:11
  Tad Eggleston: or a word that in a generation, the kids will barely know, is… is I'm already seeing the backlash where
• 10:20
  Tad Eggleston: like… The idea that you would do anything other than explore it yourself, or… Or…
• 10:31
  Tad Eggleston: Trust a friend or an influencer.
• 10:35
  Tad Eggleston: To tell you something was any good is just, like…
• 10:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I laugh, because I know how many of the influencers are paid, and it's… but, like…
• 10:48
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly in the age of AI, I'm watching kids trust things in print less and less.
• 10:56
  Tad Eggleston: Which… like… depresses me, because the advantage of print is it's… it's probably the easiest medium
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: To figure out a way to vet it.
• 11:13
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know what I mean?
• 11:15
  David Hyde: I did.
• 11:16
  David Hyde: I do.
• 11:16
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I mean, when you're looking at a print website.
• 11:21
  Tad Eggleston: Spend 5 or 10 minutes, and you'll figure out whether they're legit.
• 11:26
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I don't know if that's true of people putting videos up.
• 11:30
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if that's true of… 140 character threads.
• 11:36
  David Hyde: Yeah, and I think that we're in unprecedented times on both of those, right?
• 11:41
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 11:42
  David Hyde: Because they're print…
• 11:44
  David Hyde: And text, you know, and just reading text, has a longer history. It's easier to suss out a different way.
• 11:51
  David Hyde: But the parts that I find, like, most enjoyable about this job is just…
• 11:59
  David Hyde: when I'm able to have, like, a longer, again, conversation with somebody who is an actual expert, like, I personally find that very rewarding as a person.
• 12:10
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, absolutely. That's why I do this podcast.
• 12:12
  David Hyde: about the idea of the influencer. Not that there can't be people who influence thought, but, like.
• 12:18
  Tad Eggleston: Well, see…
• 12:19
  David Hyde: The pay-to-play model that you just talked about makes…
• 12:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, the pay-to-play model drives me up the wall, and, like.
• 12:29
  Tad Eggleston: I don't think I've ever called her an influencer, but I've more than once called Shelley Bond one of the premier tastemakers that have…
• 12:39
  Tad Eggleston: turned American comics into what they are today.
• 12:43
  Tad Eggleston: But the difference there is…
• 12:45
  David Hyde: Tastemakers are so invaluable, right?
• 12:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Well, and the difference there also is that she is an expert.
• 12:54
  Tad Eggleston: She is doing it. She's… she's shown… Like, and, and, like… I'm not… you know, and…
• 13:04
  Tad Eggleston: I'm careful, because so many times, like, I see people go off on stuff that are really meaningful to kids, and when we learn more about it, it's like, oh, wow, you were ahead of the curve.
• 13:14
  Tad Eggleston: Right. So I don't like to bash anything too quickly. I'm certain that there are influencers that are actually, like, experts in whatever they influence, but so often, when I hear them describe it, it's like, wait a minute, so this person knows everything about this, and everything about that, and everything about that, and they're only 22?
• 13:37
  David Hyde: Exactly. Exactly.
• 13:39
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know.
• 13:41
  David Hyde: Why did you start to, the podcast?
• 13:46
  Tad Eggleston: Because I love comics, and I like to make people like comics.
• 13:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I spent a lot of time working out the tagline, which is to… to… examine…
• 13:58
  Tad Eggleston: Explore and elevate the medium of comics?
• 14:02
  Tad Eggleston: I like triplicates, that's how we got…
• 14:06
  Tad Eggleston: And I knew that I wanted examine and Elevate, so I figured out the other E.
• 14:14
  Tad Eggleston: That would work well.
• 14:16
  Tad Eggleston: And Explore's pretty good, because… because I, like…
• 14:21
  Tad Eggleston: medium was also a very carefully picked word, because there's nothing that drives me up the wall more than when I say, I love comics, and somebody asks me about the new Spider-Man movie, which…
• 14:35
  Tad Eggleston: misses on two levels. It both assumes that superheroes and comics are synonymous, and that, like.
• 14:44
  Tad Eggleston: I want to talk about a comic book character in another medium when I say I love comics. And don't get me wrong, I liked the new Spider-Man movie, but…
• 14:54
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, it's been a long time since my favorite comics were…
• 14:58
  Tad Eggleston: superhero ones. I still read my share, and I still love my share, but, like, I'm playing with my Jill and the Killers skateboard.
• 15:10
  David Hyde: very quick.
• 15:10
  Tad Eggleston: I… I… I have… I have my Monkey D…
• 15:15
  Tad Eggleston: Luffy action figure that I play with, but then I also have my Miles Morales right here. These are my fidgets by the computer right now.
• 15:24
  Tad Eggleston: And then, like… We've got pumpkin heads, and we've got… Couple of early…
• 15:34
  Tad Eggleston: a Michael Conrad and a Becky Cloonan zine-type things, and…
• 15:39
  David Hyde: You have, you have excellent taste, and, and…
• 15:42
  Tad Eggleston: Right. You know, I've got the raid book here, and I've got the metal erlant, and I've got…
• 15:49
  Tad Eggleston: Have you ever read Unflattening?
• 15:52
  David Hyde: I have it.
• 15:53
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, if you love comics, you need to read this book.
• 15:57
  Tad Eggleston: Who's the pipe?
• 16:03
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 16:03
  David Hyde: Who publishes it?
• 16:05
  Tad Eggleston: Nick, you're gonna love this. Harvard University Press.
• 16:09
  David Hyde: Alright.
• 16:11
  Tad Eggleston: It's Nick Susanis, it's actually his PhD thesis from Columbia University.
• 16:18
  David Hyde: Very cool.
• 16:19
  David Hyde: When did it come up?
• 16:23
  Tad Eggleston: It's been a while.
• 16:25
  Tad Eggleston: 2015.
• 16:30
  Tad Eggleston: But, yeah, and he teaches comics at San Francisco State, I think? Okay.
• 16:37
  Tad Eggleston: But, like, the way I always describe it is if, if, if… Understanding comics is the… Comics 101.
• 16:49
  Tad Eggleston: Unflattening is like the 400 level class that ties it into everything else.
• 16:55
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 16:58
  Tad Eggleston: It's actually… it's an allegory on, like, education.
• 17:03
  Tad Eggleston: but… but deals a lot with thought and perception and… how… Pictures work.
• 17:14
  Tad Eggleston: I don't even know, like, every time I read it, I'm less able to, like, describe it properly, and since I finally got to talk to Nick about it, I've been even less…
• 17:25
  Tad Eggleston: able to just… I mean, it's just… you need to go experience it.
• 17:28
  David Hyde: You'll have to check it out.
• 17:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you just… you just need to go experience it. And I plug it regularly. Spin, Weave, and Cut is his website. Everybody should go there. Everybody who wants to just know more about comics, and particularly any teachers or librarians listening, is the…
• 17:46
  Tad Eggleston: absolute resource.
• 17:48
  Tad Eggleston: Of, like, comics… education.
• 17:53
  Tad Eggleston: Links, resources, articles, you know.
• 17:57
  David Hyde: How did you discover the book?
• 17:59
  Tad Eggleston: You know Karen Green?
• 18:03
  David Hyde: Yeah, of course.
• 18:05
  Tad Eggleston: Karen… he went to Columbia. Okay. So, when I had Karen on… Karen was one of my early guests.
• 18:14
  Tad Eggleston: When I had Karen on, she brought him up, because he actually…
• 18:18
  Tad Eggleston: Drew a comic biography of her.
• 18:23
  Tad Eggleston: for the Columbia newspaper while he was there.
• 18:26
  David Hyde: Very cool.
• 18:27
  Tad Eggleston: So, I picked up the book, and…
• 18:29
  Tad Eggleston: started corresponding with him. He was, like… I had had… I think we worked it out when he was on. Karen was, like, my seventh guest, and I started corresponding with him, trying to find time to get him on the show at that point.
• 18:44
  Tad Eggleston: He's, like, guest 305… something like that.
• 18:49
  Tad Eggleston: So we've been going back and forth, and just…
• 18:55
  David Hyde: The first time you talked to him was before the podcast?
• 18:58
  Tad Eggleston: We, I mean, we'd emailed.
• 19:01
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 19:02
  Tad Eggleston: And I'd gone to, like, an online symposium he did on comics for the blind.
• 19:11
  Tad Eggleston: Which… I didn't really talk to him, because it was a symposium with a lot of people, but…
• 19:18
  Tad Eggleston: I got to chat for a minute or two at the beginning of it, and then…
• 19:23
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah. But then the first time was on the… the first time was an extended conversation, was on the podcast. A lot of my first extended conversations lately have started on the podcast, but then I get friendships out of them, and that's even cooler. But now we're talking about me, David, and I thought we were going to talk about you.
• 19:41
  David Hyde: One of my favorite, defense strategies,
• 19:44
  Tad Eggleston: That's a baby.
• 19:45
  David Hyde: I love to be the ghost in the machine, right? So I love to get other people to talk about themselves and help
• 19:52
  David Hyde: Draw out their stories.
• 19:54
  Tad Eggleston: I see, I like that.
• 19:56
  Tad Eggleston: That's what I try to do, but… but sometimes… Sometimes I start babbling instead.
• 20:02
  David Hyde: You know.
• 20:04
  Tad Eggleston: always disappoint.
• 20:04
  David Hyde: You clearly have a lot of, excited opinions about comics, right?
• 20:11
  Tad Eggleston: Thoughts.
• 20:12
  Tad Eggleston: Alex says, hey, thoughts.
• 20:14
  Tad Eggleston: Opinions, it implies more firm…
• 20:19
  Tad Eggleston: It's not as… opinions aren't as firm as beliefs. I'm not huge on beliefs, because beliefs are things that are much more immutable, and I like to be willing to change my thoughts if I have new information.
• 20:35
  Tad Eggleston: And also, again, autistic, so I sometimes get way too specific on, like, language, just randomly.
• 20:42
  Tad Eggleston: See, you're pulling it all out, David!
• 20:45
  David Hyde: I love it, I love it.
• 20:48
  Tad Eggleston: But I want to dial it back into promotion, because I love the way you pitched promotion. That was the perfect way to sell promotion to…
• 20:57
  Tad Eggleston: a prospective comics client, but I wanna get more nuts and bolts. I wanna, like…
• 21:03
  Tad Eggleston: Obviously, you do work for publishers, obviously you do work…
• 21:08
  Tad Eggleston: for some of the bigger Kickstarters, like.
• 21:10
  David Hyde: Yeah, okay. Who should call you and your audience, like, a kind of an overview, because they don't get inundated by me and the people who work with me.
• 21:19
  Tad Eggleston: But I also want to make it clear that some of my audience is, like.
• 21:25
  Tad Eggleston: young creators just trying to figure out, like, like, so don't just… don't just talk to, like, random comics fans, talk to…
• 21:34
  Tad Eggleston: Talk to the person who calls me up, er, you know, I think I've gotten 4 different…
• 21:40
  Tad Eggleston: Emails in the last month from… from people who…
• 21:43
  Tad Eggleston: cold emailed me because they're… they're working on their Kickstarter, or hell, I got a cold…
• 21:51
  Tad Eggleston: a cold offer of a reader copy.
• 21:58
  Tad Eggleston: From somebody at one of the big two.
• 22:02
  Tad Eggleston: the other day, you know? I mean, everybody in comics is trying to figure out, what do I do to actually…
• 22:10
  Tad Eggleston: Keep this gig, or…
• 22:14
  Tad Eggleston: Or make this gig something that can be a gig, rather than something that I stay up until midnight after my day job.
• 22:21
  Tad Eggleston: to do. Right. And part of that is… is having some level of promotion.
• 22:28
  David Hyde: Yep.
• 22:29
  Tad Eggleston: So, what is it that, that, like, you guys…
• 22:34
  David Hyde: Yeah, so I will, for everybody listening, whether they're a fan, or a librarian, or a comic creator, or somebody at a publishing house, just really quickly, Superfans' clients kind of run the gamut from…
• 22:51
  David Hyde: Comixology, Oni Press, we do all of the publicity for…
• 22:58
  David Hyde: We, there are certain people, comic professionals, who are in-house, who bring me on for certain high-profile, gigs. So I've been the…
• 23:11
  David Hyde: publicist for Mike McNeola, the creator of Hellboy now, for almost 13 years. It's been a long…
• 23:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, you let me talk to his brother.
• 23:21
  David Hyde: Right?
• 23:25
  Tad Eggleston: Which was very fun, I don't want that to…
• 23:26
  David Hyde: You know, that just doesn't like to do podcasts, unfortunately.
• 23:29
  Tad Eggleston: I don't want that to sound like, you know, I got… but if you can twist the arm and get me Tom Morello, you know, I mean, he's local, he's a Cubs fan… I mean, I'll talk to…
• 23:42
  David Hyde: You'll talk to Mr. Guggenheim, but .
• 23:43
  Tad Eggleston: I'll talk to Mr. Guggenheim, but…
• 23:47
  David Hyde: Then, then I do an awful… I, and the people who work with me at Superfan, we have a really talented, team. You do. But we do a lot of Kickstarters, and I think we've done…
• 24:02
  David Hyde: over 120 Kickstarters now, a lot of.
• 24:06
  Tad Eggleston: See, that was one of the questions that I had. What all do you do for… do you just do the promotion side of the Kickstarter? I mean, what level of Kickstarter assistance do you offer?
• 24:17
  David Hyde: Great question. It does run the gamut,
• 24:22
  David Hyde: So, broadly speaking, I help tell… and I'm not trying to be pretentious about this, but.
• 24:28
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, I mean…
• 24:30
  David Hyde: to tell the story.
• 24:32
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 24:32
  David Hyde: depending on who the client is, I will be in the weeds with them working on the Kickstarter copy, like, from what is the title, what is the subtitle, what are the tiers.
• 24:43
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 24:45
  David Hyde: Then, obviously, writing the press release once the, copy is set.
• 24:51
  David Hyde: Depending on, the scope of work, we do pretty much everything other than help fulfill the…
• 24:58
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 24:59
  David Hyde: Which is huge.
• 24:59
  Tad Eggleston: That was one of the million-dollar questions, because, like.
• 25:02
  David Hyde: We don't… like, there are.
• 25:03
  Tad Eggleston: If you help with fulfillment, too, you would immediately become many people's hero.
• 25:10
  David Hyde: That is… or billet, depending.
• 25:13
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, but that's definitely something that scares a lot. I mean, the two things that scare…
• 25:20
  Tad Eggleston: creators about Kickstarter, particularly, like, right now, there's a huge swath of creators that have had a certain amount of success at publishers through the years, but as you…
• 25:31
  Tad Eggleston: have brought up, the publishing market is very different than it's been, so they're finding themselves doing Kickstarters. But the things they don't know how to do are promotion and production.
• 25:44
  David Hyde: Right.
• 25:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Because that's never been their job.
• 25:49
  David Hyde: Yeah, I'm… the, how do I say…
• 25:53
  David Hyde: I'm a pretty curious person, the team of people who work with me at Superfan, there's a lot that we're always trying to figure out and do, and do better, and like…
• 26:04
  David Hyde: You know, more YouTube interviews, more, you know, how much are we gonna lean on influencers?
• 26:13
  David Hyde: given all of the challenges around shipping and fulfillment, that one I would not touch.
• 26:20
  David Hyde: Not now.
• 26:21
  Tad Eggleston: Judge. Okay.
• 26:22
  David Hyde: Okay. Yep.
• 26:23
  Tad Eggleston: Then there is still a glaring market inefficiency, to use some baseball terms here.
• 26:31
  Tad Eggleston: for somebody who will run your… your… .
• 26:40
  David Hyde: Yeah, I think…
• 26:41
  Tad Eggleston: Fulfillment. Publishing and fulfillment.
• 26:44
  David Hyde: But I… I think one reason for that, though, is…
• 26:49
  David Hyde: You kind of do need, in my experience, yes, you could be one… Super incredible, really organized creator.
• 26:59
  David Hyde: who does a Kickstarter solo. I do think it's, if you can afford to do it anyway, to have a small team.
• 27:10
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 27:11
  David Hyde: The… because it's very different sensibilities and skill sets.
• 27:16
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 27:16
  David Hyde: When I was talking about, getting… like, getting in there and working on the copy, and, like, what is… you know, that's, like, the same as writing solicit copy, which leads to your press release.
• 27:27
  Tad Eggleston: Which some companies do really well, and other companies don't.
• 27:32
  David Hyde: It's true. And when it comes to, like.
• 27:37
  David Hyde: Having a sense of how government policies are gonna, like, impact your shipping costs.
• 27:44
  David Hyde: That's just, like… that… that is above my.
• 27:47
  Tad Eggleston: Which is why I also think that there's a huge market inefficiency for… Making…
• 27:58
  Tad Eggleston: you know, I think somebody… like, one of my… if I suddenly had enough money dropped in my lap that I could take the risks, things is, like…
• 28:11
  Tad Eggleston: Paper mill and printing press.
• 28:14
  Tad Eggleston: in the United States.
• 28:17
  David Hyde: Right, right.
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: Y-you know, as, as, as…
• 28:26
  Tad Eggleston: what's the word I'm looking for? Renewable is possible. I mean, there are ways to make paper that are more renewable than…
• 28:34
  Tad Eggleston: Cutting down big trees. They're…
• 28:37
  Tad Eggleston: you know, solar panels and wind turbines, you can make yourself energy efficient, you know. Sinking the cost into making
• 28:47
  Tad Eggleston: Something like that.
• 28:49
  Tad Eggleston: And then figuring out, like, what's the cheapest that we can do
• 28:54
  Tad Eggleston: This band of different publications is, to me, a huge market inefficiency, but the problem with
• 29:04
  Tad Eggleston: late-stage capitalism, or whatever the hell we call the economic system we have in the United States at this point, is that
• 29:13
  Tad Eggleston: there's… There's no incentive for the people who actually have money to… Make long-term plays.
• 29:23
  Tad Eggleston: And that's what that would be. It'd be a long-term play. It would be a, I'm gonna spend the money to set myself up right, and assume that I make that money back over this amount of time, because I think there's value in creating this.
• 29:40
  Tad Eggleston: You know…
• 29:42
  David Hyde: Or maybe someone will be listening in and, and, and.
• 29:45
  Tad Eggleston: That's why I keep saying it.
• 29:47
  David Hyde: Yup.
• 29:48
  Tad Eggleston: One day, I'll say it when the billionaire is listening.
• 29:52
  Tad Eggleston: Or even maybe the multi-millionaire. What?
• 29:58
  David Hyde: I said, for real, right?
• 30:00
  Tad Eggleston: You know.
• 30:01
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's not like we don't have the space, it's not like we don't have… Yeah.
• 30:05
  Tad Eggleston: I don't let myself fall too far down some of these rabbit holes, because half the time, if I fall too far down the rabbit hole, I find out that it's even easier than…
• 30:15
  Tad Eggleston: I think it's gonna be… But you still need, like, $10 million to start.
• 30:22
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, $10 million is the moon for me, and pocket change for about 3,000 people in the country. You know what I mean?
• 30:32
  David Hyde: Well, it's, listen, there's a lot of challenges that we face right now, and I…
• 30:39
  David Hyde: I personally try to…
• 30:43
  David Hyde: pay enough attention to the news cycle and, like, the larger narrative that we're all living through, and then sort of hyperfixate on what I can do and what I can do better.
• 30:54
  Tad Eggleston: That's what I try to do most of the time, too.
• 30:56
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Tad Eggleston: That's why I put out so many of these podcasts, because that's one of the things that I can do.
• 31:02
  Tad Eggleston: But also, thinking out loud's one of the things that I can do.
• 31:05
  Tad Eggleston: That's the advantage of having a podcast. You can think out loud, and you never know if that ripple will… this is one of the things that I, like, every time anybody tells me that there's nothing that they can do about this, that, or the other thing, I sit there going.
• 31:21
  Tad Eggleston: I'm a teacher.
• 31:24
  Tad Eggleston: Do I know that anything I teach will mean anything? Absolutely not.
• 31:30
  Tad Eggleston: Except that somehow it always does. So, like, just talking about it, is something.
• 31:39
  Tad Eggleston: Just thinking about it, is something.
• 31:42
  Tad Eggleston: It might not immediately solve the problem, but you have no idea who might listen to it and be inspired in one way or another.
• 31:52
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, if I let myself go the other way, then I can also go, like.
• 31:58
  Tad Eggleston: might be inspired to stomp on it and make certain it never happens, but we won't go there. We're talking good things about comics.
• 32:04
  David Hyde: I'm gonna actually take that pint and bring it back to what you were asking me about.
• 32:10
  Tad Eggleston: That was where I was taking it.
• 32:13
  Tad Eggleston: Or trying to.
• 32:16
  David Hyde: when I…
• 32:17
  David Hyde: You know, I talked before, I've been doing this at Superfan for 13 years, and then when I started at DC, it was 9 years before that, so it's 2 decades of pop culture and entertainment news.
• 32:29
  David Hyde: cycles and trends and all of that. And… and also, like, over the course of these last two decades.
• 32:39
  David Hyde: like, American life has become so much more corporate.
• 32:43
  David Hyde: And there's more and more fixating on…
• 32:48
  David Hyde: like, from a marketing level, like, going mass, going for the big numbers. I think that…
• 32:57
  David Hyde: That trend went so far in that direction.
• 33:01
  David Hyde: Like, the idea of getting that national headline for the broader
• 33:07
  David Hyde: Right. Audience, which is super valuable, always feels great when you do it.
• 33:13
  David Hyde: But I think what it's opened up
• 33:15
  David Hyde: Is the real impact of, like, a… the micro-communities.
• 33:22
  Tad Eggleston: Damn.
• 33:23
  David Hyde: Like, small podcasts, and… and… and small websites.
• 33:30
  David Hyde: and I try to say this to clients all the time, that, like, we feel good if we are in
• 33:38
  David Hyde: legacy outlet.
• 33:40
  David Hyde: to be named later. Right. And you get that hit, but at the same time, if…
• 33:46
  David Hyde: you are covered by a small site, and it only has a few hundred readers, but they all read comics. That is your audience. And so that the ability to communicate directly to them
• 34:00
  David Hyde: during a time when culture has gotten more and more fragmented, I think is invaluable. Part of the question, again, as we'll… I'm sure we're gonna do this all night long,
• 34:12
  David Hyde: bringing back to something else that you said is, yeah, how much are people reading, right? So there was a discussion with one of my clients recently about, like, the value of a smaller website.
• 34:23
  David Hyde: I still think that those interviews are invaluable, because it's part.
• 34:28
  Tad Eggleston: I do.
• 34:29
  David Hyde: a larger story. And our biggest challenge, man, right now is how do we discover things?
• 34:36
  David Hyde: In a way that is authentic and enticing.
• 34:40
  David Hyde: That you can act with emotionally. Now you've got me doing alliterations, my favorite thing.
• 34:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, no, no, I mean, where I'll totally agree with you in terms of, like, yeah, I don't know how many…
• 34:56
  Tad Eggleston: I'll just use my ecosphere.
• 34:59
  Tad Eggleston: Because it's easier, but you could, you could, you could, you could swap me as a teacher out
• 35:05
  Tad Eggleston: for a comic shop owner, or a librarian, or whatever. I don't know…
• 35:11
  Tad Eggleston: If any of my students know the beat exists.
• 35:15
  Tad Eggleston: Even if I've shown them articles. Right. You know, they might have loved that article, but completely forgotten where they saw it.
• 35:22
  Tad Eggleston: So getting an interview or a piece in the beat won't sell anything directly to them.
• 35:31
  Tad Eggleston: But I read the beat every day.
• 35:34
  Tad Eggleston: So the number of things I know about that maybe I didn't…
• 35:39
  Tad Eggleston: even have huge interest in myself, but I went, so-and-so would like this. Or I went, oh…
• 35:48
  Tad Eggleston: I don't have a ton of interest in this, except that I've never talked about something like this on the podcast. Let me go look into this, because I want to know more, because I trust that if Heidi's covering it in the beat, it's worth covering.
• 36:04
  Tad Eggleston: that even if it looks like something that's not my cup of tea, it's gonna be, like, the best version of Not My Cup of Tea. And maybe I'll discover that it is my cup of tea when it's the best version of Not My Cup of Tea. Maybe I'll discover I like a new flavor of tea.
• 36:20
  David Hyde: Do you drink a lot of tea?
• 36:22
  Tad Eggleston: I do, actually, but I drink more coffee.
• 36:25
  Tad Eggleston: Really? Mostly, I'm… what?
• 36:28
  David Hyde: I'm much more fixated these days on people's, routines.
• 36:35
  David Hyde: So, how much coffee do you drink every day?
• 36:38
  Tad Eggleston: So Every morning.
• 36:44
  Tad Eggleston: I make myself an espresso drink, And a pot of coffee.
• 36:50
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 36:54
  Tad Eggleston: So, that much bare minimum, every day?
• 36:58
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 36:59
  Tad Eggleston: And it's like a quadruple shot of espresso and a pot of coffee.
• 37:04
  David Hyde: That's a lot of coffee.
• 37:07
  Tad Eggleston: I generally get down with my… because I have a nice big 32… it works out really well, because I've got a 32-ounce…
• 37:16
  Tad Eggleston: Like, stainless steel carafe.
• 37:19
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, a 16-ounce mug. And that's…
• 37:24
  Tad Eggleston: about my coffee pot. So I have the 16-ounce mug while I'm getting ready otherwise. The 32-ounce carafe goes with me to school, and then the espresso drink is what I drink
• 37:36
  Tad Eggleston: On the way to school, And sometimes finish up on the way home, depending on how hot it was.
• 37:41
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 37:43
  Tad Eggleston: So, like… That's what I drink between… 5 a.m. and, like, 4PM?
• 37:52
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 37:53
  Tad Eggleston: So yes, it's a lot of coffee, but it's… it is spread out over a little bit of time.
• 37:59
  David Hyde: I try to have one cup of coffee every morning.
• 38:01
  Tad Eggleston: No, no. That, that…
• 38:05
  David Hyde: That would not… that would not suffice.
• 38:09
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, that… thankfully, like…
• 38:14
  Tad Eggleston: I don't very often have that issue where, when I don't have coffee, I can feel it.
• 38:20
  Tad Eggleston: Like, it's not impossible that I won't have coffee on a weekend.
• 38:25
  Tad Eggleston: It's not normal.
• 38:27
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 38:27
  Tad Eggleston: But I'm less likely to make my espresso drink on a weekend, just because it's not part of my weekend routine.
• 38:34
  Tad Eggleston: And… 50-50, if I make…
• 38:38
  Tad Eggleston: the pot of coffee, because it's not part of my routine, but if my wife and I go out to breakfast, obviously I'm ordering coffee with the breakfast.
• 38:46
  Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
• 38:47
  David Hyde: It does, it does. I… yeah, I now try to just have the one cup of coffee, but I have one cup of coffee, one cup of tea, one small thing of juice. That's my breakfast.
• 38:56
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 38:58
  David Hyde: My, my holy drink, Trinity.
• 39:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I need to do more of the juice.
• 39:04
  Tad Eggleston: The T tends to be more of a…
• 39:08
  Tad Eggleston: I like to mix iced tea and juice, so that the juice isn't as sweet.
• 39:15
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 39:16
  Tad Eggleston: So I kind of have, like…
• 39:17
  Tad Eggleston: an iced tea juice mix that I do regularly.
• 39:22
  Tad Eggleston: Where I have, like… A bag of green tea, a bag of some fruit-flavored herbal tea…
• 39:34
  Tad Eggleston: A bag of, ginger turmeric…
• 39:39
  Tad Eggleston: And generally, some other… generally, it's 4 types of teas, tea, and I kind of mix up which ones, and I mix them with, like, a…
• 39:49
  Tad Eggleston: Cran raspberry, you know, zero sugar cran raspberry.
• 39:53
  Tad Eggleston: It's still too sweet for me on its own, but you mix them together, and it's like…
• 39:59
  Tad Eggleston: That's my sweet… that's… that's my good spot.
• 40:02
  David Hyde: So, for people listening who do not drink coffee or tea, but do want to know about comic book promotion, what other questions do people sometimes ask you that you can now ask me?
• 40:14
  Tad Eggleston: Mmm.
• 40:15
  David Hyde: I mean, I think.
• 40:16
  Tad Eggleston: kind of hit most of them, other than, like, you talk about you run the gamut. How do you do…
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: you know, and I'm not asking for specific figures, but how do you do pricing? Like, when should somebody… I mean, because here's the… I tend to be the type of person where it's like…
• 40:39
  Tad Eggleston: If I don't know how to do something.
• 40:43
  Tad Eggleston: maybe I'll learn how to do it, but if there's a way to have somebody else do it, that's better.
• 40:49
  Tad Eggleston: Even if it means profit sharing, even… I mean, I was talking to Olivia Cuatero-Briggs.
• 40:56
  Tad Eggleston: Just yesterday, and… or yesterday… day before yesterday.
• 41:00
  Tad Eggleston: And she was like, no, I have agents for everything. I don't know how to do that shit. They can have their 25%.
• 41:07
  David Hyde: Right, right.
• 41:08
  David Hyde: Yeah, no, it's good to know,
• 41:12
  David Hyde: What you're good at, and what you're interested in, right?
• 41:16
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 41:17
  Tad Eggleston: And again, similarly, like, the number of times I hear people who desperately need lawyers for things.
• 41:25
  Tad Eggleston: say, oh, but I can't afford a lawyer, and I'm sitting there going, you don't understand how lawyers work. If you actually need them.
• 41:33
  Tad Eggleston: They're taking their money once they've earned it.
• 41:37
  Tad Eggleston: And it's not coming from you.
• 41:40
  Tad Eggleston: And if you don't actually need them, they'll tell you that, and they'll tell you that for free.
• 41:46
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 41:48
  David Hyde: So, to go back to your question about…
• 41:52
  David Hyde: like, pricing, you know, there's lots of different scopes of work, that I do.
• 41:57
  David Hyde: And… I've… there are people who I've recommended to not hire me before, right? Okay.
• 42:09
  David Hyde: We're not cheap, right? And it is a really weird time in the press environment.
• 42:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 42:15
  David Hyde: And I never want to promise to somebody something that I don't think that we can do. Okay. And…
• 42:28
  David Hyde: That said, Given the, press environment, and given the attention, issues that we have,
• 42:39
  David Hyde: you know, I feel really good about the services that we provide.
• 42:45
  Tad Eggleston: No, I'm… I… like, I know that you provide good services.
• 42:48
  David Hyde: On the…
• 42:48
  Tad Eggleston: I just don't know, like, the scope and the scale, like…
• 42:52
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Tad Eggleston: Because, like, I mean, I could imagine a situation where it's like, okay, if we're doing all of this for you, then you're paying this up front, it doesn't matter what you get in return, blah blah blah. But I could also see…
• 43:06
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, we're gonna help you with this Kickstarter.
• 43:09
  Tad Eggleston: this much gets… needs to be baked into the Kickstarter, and if you fund, we get that check, and if you don't fund.
• 43:17
  Tad Eggleston: We took the risk with you.
• 43:19
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know if that's what you do, but those are the… like, those are just examples of what I could imagine, and I'm trying to figure out who should call you. What… what point should somebody be at when they… for them to think.
• 43:34
  Tad Eggleston: calling superfans is… is… is a thing I should do to possibly give myself more time to do…
• 43:41
  Tad Eggleston: what I love doing, And let David and company deal with the part that I don't like as much.
• 43:49
  David Hyde: Yeah, so… so there's a lot of different things that go into that question. One, do you… Of course not.
• 43:56
  David Hyde: Do you have the, financial resources to do so without
• 44:04
  David Hyde: like, without sacrificing something that is essential, right? Okay.
• 44:10
  David Hyde: Do you have… The ability for your book to receive distribution?
• 44:19
  David Hyde: In a meaningful way.
• 44:22
  David Hyde: if what our work together really takes off. It's one reason why I feel really good about the Kickstarter model, right? So…
• 44:29
  David Hyde: the Kickstarter model has, like, built-in thresholds, like, with bonus, once somebody's in the black, and is making money, right? In addition to a flat fee that we charge up front.
• 44:45
  David Hyde: But it's also because we can… A successful Kickstarter, to me.
• 44:51
  David Hyde: And, first of all, as a caveat for anybody listening, like, I've done 120 crowdfunding campaigns.
• 45:00
  David Hyde: I consulted for Kickstarter for three and a half years. The bulk of the work that I've done in crowdfunding has all been on Kickstarter. And part of it is because I love the dashboard.
• 45:12
  David Hyde: on Kickstarter, where we can see, okay, great, we got IGN, and it drove this percentage of funding for your campaign. Oh, you were on 22 panels, and then we got this amount of… like, it's… you're… you're…
• 45:29
  Tad Eggleston: Has I actually been helpful? Do I ever get to know those numbers? I'm curious sometimes. As soon as you started giving me unique links, I'm like, wait a minute, so he knows… he probably knows more about my listenership than I do!
• 45:43
  David Hyde: It, I, I, I will say, I love…
• 45:48
  David Hyde: Sort of the… seeing… seeing what's real, seeing what drives things, and what.
• 45:54
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 45:54
  David Hyde: Almost every campaign, there will be a hit for a smaller microsite that will drive more funding than I think it will, and that's why I encourage people to go out and talk to everybody, and do the rounds, and put the work in.
• 46:11
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's…
• 46:12
  David Hyde: I will give you some concrete examples by talking about one of my favorite clients.
• 46:18
  David Hyde: who is Dave Baker, who you referenced.
• 46:21
  Tad Eggleston: I love Dave Baker.
• 46:22
  David Hyde: He is a great guy.
• 46:24
  Tad Eggleston: Dave Baker on. I just emailed with Dave Baker. I was just showing you a Dave Baker book.
• 46:29
  David Hyde: heads, yeah? That's what I'm saying? You had excellent choices in comics.
• 46:35
  David Hyde: But I don't think he would mind if I said that. But the first time that Dave and Nicole, you know, reached out.
• 46:42
  David Hyde: I was like, I don't know if this is the right book for you guys to hire me for.
• 46:47
  David Hyde: Right? And…
• 46:50
  Tad Eggleston: Was it Mary Tyler Moorhawk?
• 46:51
  David Hyde: No, no, I…
• 46:52
  Tad Eggleston: Because that was a great book.
• 46:54
  David Hyde: I've worked with Dave on that.
• 46:55
  Tad Eggleston: I could see… I could see reading that and going, Dave, I love this, but there's no audience. It's like me and some…
• 47:01
  David Hyde: I'm like.
• 47:02
  Tad Eggleston: Five other guys, and…
• 47:03
  David Hyde: I know exactly what I want to do here.
• 47:06
  David Hyde: And, so, so, the first time that, that, Dave and Nicole, you reached out.
• 47:15
  David Hyde: I think it was during COVID?
• 47:17
  David Hyde: And distribution was… regardless, the last few.
• 47:20
  Tad Eggleston: Oh yeah, distribution was weird that year.
• 47:23
  David Hyde: So, so, challenged.
• 47:27
  David Hyde: Right.
• 47:28
  David Hyde: And…
• 47:33
  David Hyde: I don't know if I saw the exact thing other than, here's two incredibly talented people, and I want to work with them.
• 47:42
  David Hyde: But I just don't know if it's this book.
• 47:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 47:45
  David Hyde: Right? So, so we had a, a meeting, we decided not to work together and stay in touch, and then Keith came back with, Mary Tyler Moorhawk and,
• 47:55
  David Hyde: I just worked with them on pumpkin herds.
• 47:58
  Tad Eggleston: That's.
• 47:58
  David Hyde: I'm on Halloween Boy right now for Oni.
• 48:01
  David Hyde: Right.
• 48:02
  David Hyde: The reason why…
• 48:04
  Tad Eggleston: She's on my.
• 48:05
  David Hyde: Dave really makes sense for me, as a client, why we're a good match, is…
• 48:12
  David Hyde: we'll… we'll have a quick conversation, or a series of texts, or, you know, an email, and it's like, okay, here's broadly how I'm thinking about the book, and here's the press release, whatnot. You know, what… what essays do you want to go do that relate back to the themes of the book, where it's not like he's writing
• 48:31
  David Hyde: why you need to read Halloween Boy, right? Like, he's writing a piece about,
• 48:39
  David Hyde: John R. Cooty's BPRD run.
• 48:43
  David Hyde: And what it is about Reading the story of a certain kind of monster hunter.
• 48:51
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 48:51
  David Hyde: And so you're speaking to the themes of your book, but in a way that, you know, you're starting a conversation with potential new readers, and you're coming up with content that… he had a piece, Dave had a piece that, AIPT just ran about…
• 49:08
  David Hyde: Deconstructionism in comics, and it ended up on Reddit.
• 49:12
  David Hyde: And there's a lot, a lot of comments. .
• 49:17
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I'm just gonna tell you right now, because I hadn't even…
• 49:19
  David Hyde: is… is…
• 49:21
  Tad Eggleston: I, I…
• 49:22
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 49:24
  Tad Eggleston: I totally hadn't…
• 49:25
  Tad Eggleston: thought of that as a promotional thing, and I love it, and I'm gonna tell you right now that, like, I will take any reading assignment. If you ever wanna do that sort of conversation in, like, podcast form, you want somebody to be able to talk out.
• 49:43
  Tad Eggleston: This, in a comic?
• 49:46
  Tad Eggleston: I'm just offering my services. Free of charge.
• 49:49
  David Hyde: I appreciate it.
• 49:51
  Tad Eggleston: Because those are the conversations that I love to have.
• 49:56
  David Hyde: But that's… so… so… My, my multi-tiered answer…
• 50:02
  Tad Eggleston: God, you're gonna make me read Reddit now?
• 50:04
  David Hyde: It's like, you gotta have the money, you gotta have the right book at the right time, which is hard to know.
• 50:09
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 50:10
  David Hyde: And I'm… I will.
• 50:11
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I would imagine that's part of your job.
• 50:12
  David Hyde: work with, because my goal is to find somebody like Dave that hopefully I will be working with for the next, you know, 30 years, when we are cyborg vampires, you know, and…
• 50:25
  David Hyde: working in New Los Angeles, which floats a little off of the ocean.
• 50:32
  David Hyde: Like, Nuevo?
• 50:33
  Tad Eggleston: Go to your…
• 50:34
  David Hyde: My job is to find clients that I'm going to work with for a long, long time. And, you know, I've had at least one person who has said, hey, I don't think this is the right book for me. They were really offended. But to me, it is much better to have that conversation.
• 50:50
  David Hyde: And on the… and I don't recall, Dave and Nicole might have said, like, hey, that was a great meeting, or, like, it's just an… we just all sort of decided after that one meeting, not this time, right?
• 51:00
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 51:01
  David Hyde: And the goal is for you to…
• 51:06
  David Hyde: have that relationship where you're setting everybody up for success long-term, right?
• 51:14
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 51:15
  Tad Eggleston: No, I like that.
• 51:18
  David Hyde: And, you know, a lot of my…
• 51:19
  Tad Eggleston: They're spinning.
• 51:20
  David Hyde: of clients who I've worked with for many, many years,
• 51:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 51:24
  David Hyde: you know, like, somebody like Matt Kent, who I've worked with on and again and off again, through the years, but we go all the way back to my time at, DC Comics, right?
• 51:35
  Tad Eggleston: And I gotta give you credit for putting Matt on my show, though I do have to also, like… I'm gonna call out Derek Gould again, because…
• 51:46
  Tad Eggleston: Because, as it turned out.
• 51:49
  Tad Eggleston: Matt has wanted to be on my show for almost as long as I've wanted him to be on my show, and Derek didn't make it happen, because he was like…
• 51:58
  Tad Eggleston: being possessive or something, I don't know.
• 52:02
  Tad Eggleston: But apparently, Matt had wanted to be on 22 panels. It's the first time Derek told him about being on 22 panels.
• 52:11
  David Hyde: Yeah, it's, you know, it's funny that somebody like Matt, who's so generous with his time, and is generally one of the nicest people in the comic book world, but also he's done a lot of interviews through the years.
• 52:24
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 52:24
  David Hyde: And, and he had, I believe this is still true, he's never missed a single creative deadline. I don't know if you know.
• 52:31
  Tad Eggleston: I believe it.
• 52:32
  Tad Eggleston: I'd never reached out to him until I got an email from you guys. I mean, that's one of the things I like about getting the emails from you guys, because I'm not sending it directly to the creators, I'm that much more willing to… like, there's a certain intimidation factor to cold call Matt Kint.
• 52:51
  David Hyde: Yeah, of course.
• 52:53
  Tad Eggleston: It's not that I've never done it, and sometimes I've even had it work out.
• 52:56
  Tad Eggleston: More times than not, because comics are a really weird business.
• 53:01
  Tad Eggleston: the number of people that… I mean…
• 53:04
  Tad Eggleston: It's so weird when you email one of your idols to ask them to be on your dinky little podcast and get a yes in, like, less than half an hour.
• 53:16
  Tad Eggleston: And it's like… What?
• 53:20
  Tad Eggleston: Do you have to…
• 53:21
  David Hyde: you're… you…
• 53:22
  Tad Eggleston: You… you were never supposed to read this email. It was gonna be lost in the ether. How are we booked for next week?
• 53:32
  David Hyde: But I… I think it's because people respond to your… your enthusiasm and your passion for the… for the…
• 53:38
  Tad Eggleston: That's possible. I think it sometimes comes through in my emails.
• 53:44
  David Hyde: And also, but again, in that world where it's a small world, right? So, like, Derek and Matt talk, and…
• 53:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 53:51
  David Hyde: Matt, you know, actually introduced, Derek to me for the… what was supposed to be one,
• 54:01
  David Hyde: post for the Superfasting… It became.
• 54:03
  Tad Eggleston: four, and remind me, because there is one person you got that I'm not gonna name on the air, because that's how much I want to have him.
• 54:12
  Tad Eggleston: that I wanted to be off-air to see if there's any chance that you could help me.
• 54:17
  David Hyde: Okay, well, well, yeah, email me after, after we're done.
• 54:21
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, just remind me when we're done recording. Okay. And I'll ask.
• 54:27
  David Hyde: stay tuned, True, true listeners.
• 54:32
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, otherwise, I'll remember to email later.
• 54:37
  Tad Eggleston: You'll probably be surprised, because it's a weird one.
• 54:41
  David Hyde: So, so for, anybody who's unfamiliar, the Superfan Signal is a mostly weekly email, which is tied to the Superfan podcast. And I, because I'm a big baseball fan.
• 54:57
  David Hyde: And we take it very seriously. My wife and I watch, Bo Durham every year during that.
• 55:03
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 55:04
  David Hyde: We try to watch one great baseball movie that we've never seen before, each and every.
• 55:10
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 55:11
  David Hyde: And that I was thinking about… Oh, who…
• 55:16
  David Hyde: who else has this kind of deep connection to baseball movies? And it turns out it's a lot of people.
• 55:23
  Tad Eggleston: Lot of people.
• 55:24
  David Hyde: And… and word kept growing, and…
• 55:27
  Tad Eggleston: It actually, it actually came up not on last November's, but the November before we, like, literally randomly got to, like, favorite baseball movies.
• 55:39
  Tad Eggleston: And… Actually, I bet you…
• 55:42
  Tad Eggleston: Mark Russell. Mark Russell had the one that everybody wound up watching and emailing each other about.
• 55:49
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly because it's not really a baseball movie at all, except that Babe Ruth is in it.
• 55:56
  Tad Eggleston: Have you, have you ever seen Speedy?
• 56:00
  Tad Eggleston: It's, it's a Harold Lloyd silent movie.
• 56:04
  Tad Eggleston: From, like, 1920… I don't remember what… it's hilarious, it's great!
• 56:11
  Tad Eggleston: And Harold Lloyd plays a taxi driver, and Babe Ruth gets into his cab at one point, and he takes him to the stadium.
• 56:20
  David Hyde: That's amazing. So my grandfather was in, supposedly in, a Babe Ruth movie when he was
• 56:28
  David Hyde: A little kid, just as an extra firm.
• 56:31
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 56:35
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah, no, I think…
• 56:38
  David Hyde: What is your favorite baseball movie?
• 56:42
  Tad Eggleston: See, that's tough.
• 56:44
  David Hyde: It is. It's an impossible question, and that's…
• 56:46
  David Hyde: We live in possible lives. We work in comics, and .
• 56:50
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, like, I laugh so hard, because half the time.
• 56:56
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I remember my family, a number of members of my family and I, do a Zoom movie talk once a week, where, you know, we all watch the same movie sometime during the week, and then we'll talk about it.
• 57:11
  Tad Eggleston: And, we did Feel the Dreams not long ago, and… you know…
• 57:17
  Tad Eggleston: I have mixed feelings about Field of Dreams. I can't hate it as much as some of the people who don't like the schmaltz and are annoyed by the fact that
• 57:25
  Tad Eggleston: Ray Liotta bats poorly and right-handed, rather than Well and left-handed, and…
• 57:32
  Tad Eggleston: the lack of Negro Leaguers, and… Whatever.
• 57:38
  Tad Eggleston: But, on the flip side, like, Doc Graham's office was my grandmother's office in the Galena Courthouse. So, like…
• 57:47
  Tad Eggleston: I have personal connections to the movie.
• 57:49
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 57:50
  Tad Eggleston: But what I do remember really saying… Was…
• 57:59
  Tad Eggleston: As good as this movie is, it's not…
• 58:03
  Tad Eggleston: It's my third favorite Kevin Costner baseball movie, and my third favorite James Earl Jones baseball movie.
• 58:13
  David Hyde: Okay, so… Interesting.
• 58:24
  David Hyde: You love for Love of the game more?
• 58:27
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I definitely love… see, this is… this is one of my unpopular…
• 58:32
  Tad Eggleston: Things, depending on the day of the week.
• 58:37
  Tad Eggleston: They're, like, 5 days… like, if we're using baseball, like, terminology, for love of the game, bat's about 270.
• 58:47
  Tad Eggleston: against… Bull Durham for my favorite Costner baseball movie. I go back and forth.
• 58:55
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 58:56
  Tad Eggleston: I like for Love of the Game a lot.
• 58:59
  David Hyde: It is my son's favorite baseball movie.
• 59:02
  Tad Eggleston: In part, because, did you know…
• 59:05
  Tad Eggleston: That despite the fact that they only…
• 59:09
  Tad Eggleston: They only film for 3 days at Yankee Stadium.
• 59:14
  Tad Eggleston: Which meant that there was a lot of pitching done on every day.
• 59:18
  Tad Eggleston: Not only did Costner throw every one of those pitches, he was still hitting 75 on the gun on day 3.
• 59:28
  Tad Eggleston: and got to know the Yankees trainer very, very, Very well.
• 59:35
  Tad Eggleston: Because when he was throwing up in the dugout in the middle of day two, or day one, actually, you know, four or five hundred pitches into the day,
• 59:45
  Tad Eggleston: I forget which Yankee it was that was cleaning out his locker, and saw him, and called the trainer to come be on site.
• 59:54
  David Hyde: for the rest.
• 59:54
  Tad Eggleston: to the shoot.
• 59:56
  David Hyde: I've not heard that story.
• 59:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that was, I wanna say, actually, in a Sports Illustrated article.
• 1:00:02
  Tad Eggleston: Around the time the movie came out.
• 1:00:05
  Tad Eggleston: He also hit most of the home runs that you see Crash Davis hit, and…
• 1:00:11
  Tad Eggleston: Including the one that hit the ball.
• 1:00:14
  David Hyde: Yeah, that I…
• 1:00:14
  Tad Eggleston: Hitting the bull wasn't in the script. Costner hit the script… hit the bull!
• 1:00:19
  David Hyde: That's great.
• 1:00:21
  David Hyde: So…
• 1:00:21
  Tad Eggleston: So even though they gave it to a different… like, he didn't hit the ball in the movie, but he did hit the ball that they filmed hit the bull.
• 1:00:30
  David Hyde: That's amazing.
• 1:00:31
  David Hyde: There's a great oral history of Baldura by Shelton that you should check out if you haven't read it.
• 1:00:37
  Tad Eggleston: I'll have to look at that. I have the DVD that's got his commentary track.
• 1:00:42
  David Hyde: Yeah, the oral history is, like, really thorough, and one of those times where,
• 1:00:48
  David Hyde: you know, somebody who literally watches that movie every year. Yeah.
• 1:00:53
  Tad Eggleston: I probably watch it more often than that.
• 1:00:55
  David Hyde: Really? Wow.
• 1:00:57
  Tad Eggleston: The movies I love, I play a lot. Now, I don't necessarily sit down and, like… I might watch it and read 10 comic books while I'm watching it.
• 1:01:07
  Tad Eggleston: Does that make sense?
• 1:01:08
  David Hyde: It does indeed.
• 1:01:10
  Tad Eggleston: But…
• 1:01:10
  Tad Eggleston: Speedy came out in 1928, by the way. I looked that up while we were… and it's still on HBO Max.
• 1:01:16
  Tad Eggleston: So, if you wanna go see Babe Ruth in a… In a silent comedy.
• 1:01:22
  David Hyde: What was the last, your most recent
• 1:01:26
  David Hyde: The most recent movie that you discovered that you love that is a baseball movie?
• 1:01:35
  Tad Eggleston: God, that's tough.
• 1:01:38
  David Hyde: Did you…
• 1:01:39
  Tad Eggleston: You didn't even guess what my top two, James Earl Jones baseball movies are.
• 1:01:44
  David Hyde: One is the movie with, Richard Pryor.
• 1:01:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, bingo, long. That's the top.
• 1:01:52
  David Hyde: And…
• 1:01:58
  Tad Eggleston: And Billy Dee Williams. Don't forget Billy D. Williams.
• 1:02:00
  David Hyde: Oh, totally.
• 1:02:01
  David Hyde: And it's just… you heard me trailing off, because my mind is now playing 3 games at the same time, and
• 1:02:09
  David Hyde: That's the challenge of doing podcasts on, like, a Thursday night, which is when we normally record the Superfan podcast. Right. You know, there's a certain part where, like, your brain's just like, yeah, I've just forgotten all… I know the…
• 1:02:22
  Tad Eggleston: Totally get it.
• 1:02:23
  David Hyde: too.
• 1:02:24
  Tad Eggleston: Sandlot.
• 1:02:25
  David Hyde: Tell me, I know…
• 1:02:26
  Tad Eggleston: The Sandlot.
• 1:02:27
  David Hyde: Alright. Wish I watched that for the first time this year.
• 1:02:31
  Tad Eggleston: Did you?
• 1:02:34
  Tad Eggleston: How old are you?
• 1:02:36
  David Hyde: I just…
• 1:02:36
  Tad Eggleston: Do you mind me asking?
• 1:02:37
  David Hyde: I just turned the new 52.
• 1:02:40
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 1:02:41
  David Hyde: So I'm a little old for the sand lot.
• 1:02:43
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, no, no, I… see, I… I knew that, like, you're just that age that's hard to pin. So I knew that you were within…
• 1:02:55
  Tad Eggleston: 5 or 6 years, one direction or the other for me.
• 1:02:58
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 1:02:58
  Tad Eggleston: And if you'd been my age or younger, I would have been shocked that you hadn't seen The Sandlot, because the Sandlot came out, like…
• 1:03:06
  Tad Eggleston: Perfect age.
• 1:03:08
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I, I, what, Sam, like, was it 90?
• 1:03:14
  Tad Eggleston: 93.
• 1:03:16
  David Hyde: Right, so a bad time for me to see a movie like that.
• 1:03:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right, whereas I was 13, so it was almost perfect.
• 1:03:25
  David Hyde: Right.
• 1:03:26
  David Hyde: I think I saw Baldura when I was there, too.
• 1:03:30
  Tad Eggleston: I'd seen Bull Durham too, but, like, this was the one that I could watch with my friends.
• 1:03:34
  David Hyde: When it came out at the end of.
• 1:03:36
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, okay, yeah.
• 1:03:38
  David Hyde: It changes your ex… you know what I mean?
• 1:03:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right.
• 1:03:41
  David Hyde: Like, so, you brought up Levitt's earlier,
• 1:03:45
  David Hyde: Levitz had this great theory that
• 1:03:48
  David Hyde: The best year in comics is whatever year you turn 12.
• 1:03:54
  Tad Eggleston: I mean.
• 1:03:54
  David Hyde: I firmly believe I lived in the greatest year of comics.
• 1:03:59
  David Hyde: It was the year I turned 12, and it was 1986.
• 1:04:04
  David Hyde: And you have… Watchmen, Dark Night Returns, Lovin' Rockets.
• 1:04:12
  David Hyde: Like, yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Lovin' Rockets was 4 years old already.
• 1:04:16
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  David Hyde: But I'm saying, like, all…
• 1:04:19
  Tad Eggleston: No, I know.
• 1:04:19
  David Hyde: God at that time, right?
• 1:04:20
  Tad Eggleston: I know.
• 1:04:24
  David Hyde: You know, my baseball movie discovery this year that I loved was Everybody Wants Some.
• 1:04:29
  David Hyde: Have you seen that?
• 1:04:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah, I have. I saw that when it came out.
• 1:04:33
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Tad Eggleston: Because it's like the spiritual sequel to Dazed and Confused.
• 1:04:38
  David Hyde: It is, it is. I really liked Everybody Wants Some, so for.
• 1:04:43
  Tad Eggleston: Which Dazed and Confused is kind of a baseball movie, too.
• 1:04:47
  Tad Eggleston: It's got the baseball scene in it.
• 1:04:49
  David Hyde: It's true, it's true.
• 1:04:50
  Tad Eggleston: Mmm… I'm still trying to figure out what my… what my…
• 1:04:57
  Tad Eggleston: Most recent baseball movie discovery is…
• 1:05:04
  Tad Eggleston: It's so tough.
• 1:05:07
  Tad Eggleston: Because I have to try to remember what order I've watched things in.
• 1:05:11
  Tad Eggleston: But actually, like, like, I know Levitz has said that about comics, but there's a, a broader theory
• 1:05:20
  Tad Eggleston: Like, one of the few socio… sociological, psychological theories that has been like… ha- had…
• 1:05:31
  Tad Eggleston: Repeated studies come up with similar results.
• 1:05:35
  Tad Eggleston: Essentially, everybody thinks When people are talking about The world was better then?
• 1:05:45
  Tad Eggleston: They're always talking about when they were 11 years old.
• 1:05:49
  Tad Eggleston: Give or take, like, a year or two.
• 1:05:54
  Tad Eggleston: So that better world that everybody… everybody…
• 1:06:00
  Tad Eggleston: And, like, there's studies on this going back, like, 60 years now.
• 1:06:05
  David Hyde: Fascinating.
• 1:06:06
  Tad Eggleston: Where, like, everybody thinks the best version of the world, and they don't even realize it.
• 1:06:12
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I mean, they've done studies in such a way where they're not pinning an age, you know, they have to describe the things, and they essentially come up with a year, and it turns out that it's, like, 11 plus or minus 2 of whenever they were born.
• 1:06:31
  David Hyde: Wow.
• 1:06:32
  Tad Eggleston: mmm… most recent… Discovered.
• 1:06:40
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it might be speedy, just because I went through a period where I dug up a ton of baseball movies.
• 1:06:48
  Tad Eggleston: like, 20 years ago. Okay. And haven't missed many of the new ones since.
• 1:06:55
  Tad Eggleston: So, like, when Mark's… I mean, I think that's one of the reasons that…
• 1:07:02
  Tad Eggleston: I know Fred Van Lentty immediately saw it, I know that Derrick Gould immediately saw it, I'm pretty certain Heidi immediately saw it. You know, one of the reasons I think we all went after it, it was like, wait a minute, we've never heard of this movie, and it has Babe Ruth in it?
• 1:07:23
  David Hyde: Last year's, movie… I'm sure you've seen this one, but last year's baseball, movie discovery was Sugar.
• 1:07:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 1:07:30
  David Hyde: 2008.
• 1:07:31
  David Hyde: Have you seen that?
• 1:07:32
  Tad Eggleston: OB.
• 1:07:33
  David Hyde: That's a great move.
• 1:07:34
  Tad Eggleston: I've only seen it once, I need to… I need to…
• 1:07:39
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it's, it's certainly not the, the, the… The most recent, but…
• 1:07:51
  Tad Eggleston: Netflix very briefly had a period where
• 1:07:55
  Tad Eggleston: Right after the battered bastards of baseball, they made a couple of… more… Baseball documentaries.
• 1:08:05
  Tad Eggleston: The, the dock…
• 1:08:12
  Tad Eggleston: Why am I forgetting his la- the guy who threw the no-hitter on LSD, Doc…
• 1:08:29
  Tad Eggleston: Why am I drawing a blank? Well, we'll look that up in a second, too.
• 1:08:33
  David Hyde: Doc Ellis.
• 1:08:34
  Tad Eggleston: Doc Ellis. The Doc Ellis one was really good, but there was a Bill Lee one.
• 1:08:40
  Tad Eggleston: that I just loved, and I'm trying to remember…
• 1:08:44
  Tad Eggleston: What it was called, because it…
• 1:08:47
  Tad Eggleston: didn't come up on IMDB is Spaceman, which is what I thought it was gonna be.
• 1:08:53
  David Hyde: spa?
• 1:08:55
  Tad Eggleston: What?
• 1:08:55
  David Hyde: to Billy Documentaries.
• 1:09:02
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait a minute, maybe… no.
• 1:09:04
  David Hyde: Take a space fan.
• 1:09:06
  Tad Eggleston: I think it is, too, it's just, I'm not… but there are so many Spaceman movies.
• 1:09:11
  Tad Eggleston: That, that maybe I'm just not finding the right one yet.
• 1:09:16
  David Hyde: But speaking of Billy and baseball movies, what did you think of Aphis?
• 1:09:22
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, that's the one that I need to see still.
• 1:09:24
  David Hyde: Oh, okay.
• 1:09:26
  Tad Eggleston: Haven't seen, and it is, it is Spaceman, A Baseball Odyssey.
• 1:09:30
  Tad Eggleston: I like that one a lot.
• 1:09:32
  Tad Eggleston: I knew there was one that I'd heard of recently that I hadn't managed to see. Aphis is it.
• 1:09:39
  David Hyde: Recommended.
• 1:09:40
  Tad Eggleston: So thank you for reminding me.
• 1:09:45
  Tad Eggleston: Because… I, I, I love me a baseball movie.
• 1:09:54
  David Hyde: Yeah, the…
• 1:09:55
  Tad Eggleston: And I love the EFIS pitch.
• 1:09:56
  David Hyde: So, it's been a fun…
• 1:10:00
  David Hyde: outreach… outgrowth from, from the Superfan podcast, and before… because I'm going to have to, I can hear my dog not feeling particularly well in the other room, so I will have to go fairly soon.
• 1:10:13
  Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna have two quick questions, but I have a new answer for the most recent baseball movie, or at least movie that had baseball in it, that I loved.
• 1:10:24
  Tad Eggleston: and it came from you saying superfan, and I went, oh yeah.
• 1:10:29
  Tad Eggleston: I am so pissed off that they don't have a licensed Metropolis comics hat, because I loved the baseball part of the Superman.
• 1:10:40
  Tad Eggleston: movie, and I loved the cap that they made, and I would totally own one.
• 1:10:46
  David Hyde: people over at DC and can make that happen.
• 1:10:51
  Tad Eggleston: You know, please do.
• 1:10:53
  Tad Eggleston: I want that to happen.
• 1:10:55
  Tad Eggleston: You'd think New Era would have been all over it.
• 1:11:00
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, they have one, but it's not the, like, on-field one. It's, like, the full logo, rather than…
• 1:11:10
  David Hyde: It's a pretty deep cut, sir. It's a pretty deep cut.
• 1:11:14
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, a deep cut would be if I wanted the Gotham Knights cap that… that Bruce Wayne wears in the Tom King comic, which I do, but I know that they're not gonna make a,
• 1:11:31
  Tad Eggleston: a cap from a comic book. Making a cap from a movie doesn't seem like it's that deep of a cut.
• 1:11:40
  Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean?
• 1:11:44
  David Hyde: I do.
• 1:11:45
  David Hyde: I do. It's… we're… we're still… we're still a pretty deep cut.
• 1:11:50
  Tad Eggleston: Have you seen some of the hats New Era makes?
• 1:11:57
  David Hyde: That's a good point.
• 1:11:59
  Tad Eggleston: Is it a deeper cut than the lime green and cherry red Red Sox cap that I'm certain that you can buy?
• 1:12:11
  David Hyde: So, that is true, that is true,
• 1:12:16
  David Hyde: But the com- you know, like, listen, baseball, not great at marketing. Comics, not great at marketing.
• 1:12:23
  Tad Eggleston: That's true.
• 1:12:24
  David Hyde: Put them together, they need some help.
• 1:12:28
  Tad Eggleston: That's what you're here for.
• 1:12:30
  Tad Eggleston: But, now I'm gonna ask my two closing questions so that you can go help your dog out.
• 1:12:35
  Tad Eggleston: And I'm expecting this first one to be great, because you've been around, and everybody wants… everybody wants David.
• 1:12:43
  Tad Eggleston: See how I work that in after everyone wants some, everyone wants David. Or superfans, whatever. You work the copy text there, but that's your next promo for yourself, is everybody wants…
• 1:12:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, whatever.
• 1:13:02
  Tad Eggleston: I'm actually gonna give you 3 questions, because we haven't talked enough baseball.
• 1:13:08
  Tad Eggleston: So, I'll give you the baseball question first. Just tell me a favorite baseball memory.
• 1:13:23
  David Hyde: So, I'm a baseball fan because my dad is a big baseball fan.
• 1:13:29
  David Hyde: And I have been lucky enough that my son is becoming a baseball fan. It is in my fantasy baseball league. I'm in two leagues, but he's in the Justice League with me. Ironically, this is not,
• 1:13:45
  David Hyde: a league of comic book professionals. There are a couple of comic book fans. I did not start the league. I came into the league 4 years, it was already called the Justice League.
• 1:13:56
  Tad Eggleston: Alright.
• 1:13:57
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 1:13:57
  Tad Eggleston: Probably started by lawyers.
• 1:13:59
  David Hyde: That's, that's, caveat number one. That,
• 1:14:03
  David Hyde: My son is going to school on the East Coast. My parents live on the East Coast. My dad is a die-hard Atlanta Braves fan.
• 1:14:15
  David Hyde: The Braves and the Red Sox do not play each other very often.
• 1:14:19
  David Hyde: Last year, they were playing at Fenway Park.
• 1:14:24
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 1:14:24
  David Hyde: Say we can't.
• 1:14:25
  David Hyde: And I went and got to go see…
• 1:14:30
  David Hyde: Friday night, Friday nights last year at Fenway were magical, many, many times.
• 1:14:37
  David Hyde: they thought the night that I was there.
• 1:14:41
  David Hyde: for my birthday weekend was the first time that they had their Fenway Green, uniforms.
• 1:14:49
  David Hyde: Rafi Dever, the Sox fell behind. They were not competitive in the game. It was fairly brutal watching the game.
• 1:14:57
  David Hyde: Socks staged a 9th inning comeback and won on a Rafi Devers walk-off home run.
• 1:15:04
  Tad Eggleston: So your birthday must be in April or early May?
• 1:15:07
  David Hyde: Mid-may. Mid-May.
• 1:15:10
  Tad Eggleston: I just… I remember when Devers got traded.
• 1:15:12
  David Hyde: Yes, they… he got traded on my wife's birthday, which was not great for anybody.
• 1:15:17
  David Hyde: Especially now.
• 1:15:18
  Tad Eggleston: I don't know, I've got some friends who are Giants fans, they thought it was pretty great.
• 1:15:22
  David Hyde: That, they might have thought it was pretty great last year. I don't know how they're feeling about it this year.
• 1:15:27
  Tad Eggleston: Not… not quite as good.
• 1:15:29
  David Hyde: the many years to come. I loved Rafi, the whole thing makes me actually deep…
• 1:15:34
  Tad Eggleston: Though, though honestly, I think that, that, that, as…
• 1:15:39
  Tad Eggleston: also a Red Sox fan. Cubs first, but,
• 1:15:43
  Tad Eggleston: I think my bigger issue with the Red Sox is not having traded Rafi, it's… it's also having traded
• 1:15:52
  Tad Eggleston: what they got for Rafi.
• 1:15:55
  Tad Eggleston: And now watching him turn into the Brewer's ace.
• 1:15:59
  David Hyde: Yeah, well, listen, the… The Brewers are next level, their, their player development.
• 1:16:10
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah!
• 1:16:11
  David Hyde: kind of phenomenal. I'm not even mad about that. My frustration is, like, they… the Sox clearly needed two… two bats this year.
• 1:16:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 1:16:22
  David Hyde: They did great with Contreras, but they… they are.
• 1:16:26
  Tad Eggleston: Love me some Wilson.
• 1:16:27
  David Hyde: They, they're a bat short, for… for sure.
• 1:16:30
  Tad Eggleston: So, we got the quick trivia question. First time I saw Wilson Contreras play was actually for the Kane County Cougars, when he was in A-ball for the Cubs.
• 1:16:37
  David Hyde: Oh, nice!
• 1:16:39
  Tad Eggleston: He got on base 5 times.
• 1:16:42
  Tad Eggleston: In 5 different ways.
• 1:16:45
  Tad Eggleston: Without a hit.
• 1:16:48
  David Hyde: Okay, so… Walk, like, traditional walk.
• 1:16:54
  David Hyde: Hit by pitch, because it's Contreras.
• 1:16:56
  David Hyde: He takes some wild swings, I'm gonna say he struck out, and then still got to first.
• 1:17:04
  David Hyde: Those are the easy ones. Two more.
• 1:17:07
  Tad Eggleston: No, one more should be easy.
• 1:17:13
  David Hyde: Oh, intentional walk.
• 1:17:15
  Tad Eggleston: No, because that'd count as a walk.
• 1:17:17
  David Hyde: Really? Okay.
• 1:17:19
  Tad Eggleston: In my mind.
• 1:17:27
  David Hyde: Why am I blanking on the…
• 1:17:29
  Tad Eggleston: Well, he hit a ball to short that the shortstop fired into the dugout.
• 1:17:34
  David Hyde: So, so, right, an error, sure.
• 1:17:37
  David Hyde: And what is the fifth way?
• 1:17:39
  Tad Eggleston: Catcher's interference.
• 1:17:41
  David Hyde: Oh, wow!
• 1:17:43
  David Hyde: aisle.
• 1:17:45
  David Hyde: That's cool.
• 1:17:46
  Tad Eggleston: What was ironic is that was the fifth at-bat, and I was literally saying, the only way that you can get on base, other than a hit at this point, is if there's catchers interference.
• 1:17:59
  David Hyde: That is wild.
• 1:18:01
  David Hyde: He's a lot of fun to watch.
• 1:18:04
  Tad Eggleston: He is.
• 1:18:04
  David Hyde: I'm starting to cover.
• 1:18:05
  Tad Eggleston: I miss him.
• 1:18:06
  David Hyde: Yeah, but the beginning of the show was brutal.
• 1:18:09
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I, I miss him.
• 1:18:11
  Tad Eggleston: he, he was, he was, he was a nice northsider.
• 1:18:16
  Tad Eggleston: I hated him on the Cardinals.
• 1:18:19
  David Hyde: because we went to the Rafi, the sad part of the Rafi,
• 1:18:24
  David Hyde: news. But that particular night, to be there with my dad, watching our teams play, my mom was there, my kid was there, we all had such a great time.
• 1:18:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  David Hyde: our hotel together.
• 1:18:36
  David Hyde: Just a beautiful baseball memory.
• 1:18:39
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that's, that's amazing.
• 1:18:41
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, question number two.
• 1:18:44
  Tad Eggleston: I've been doing this podcast for less than 5 years now, and I feel like I've entered the Twilight Zone.
• 1:18:50
  Tad Eggleston: the people I've met and become friends with, the conversations I've gotten to have, the crazy things that I've gotten to do, that if you told
• 1:18:59
  Tad Eggleston: 15-year-old Tad, hey, this is gonna be part of your life, I would have gone, yeah, whatever.
• 1:19:07
  Tad Eggleston: And I find that that's true of, like, everybody in comics.
• 1:19:10
  Tad Eggleston: No matter how… how…
• 1:19:14
  Tad Eggleston: little or… or much time they've spent, no matter how big they are themselves, or whatever. You know, everybody has that pinch-me story, or 10. So… so share… share one of your… I can't-believe-that-happened-to-be stories.
• 1:19:36
  David Hyde: Okay.
• 1:19:39
  David Hyde: So, first of all, to set up the story, I am a lifelong comic fan. You can see the light just dropped off in the room, next door, because it's getting later here. But, you know, I've been…
• 1:19:52
  David Hyde: I clearly wasn't collecting original comic book art when I was first acquiring it as, like, a.
• 1:19:59
  Tad Eggleston: Whaaat!
• 1:20:00
  David Hyde: Kosch's 10-year-old, right? But, you know, I'd go to comic shows and meet really amazing artists like Joe Cuber and Steve Bissett and Walt.
• 1:20:09
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 1:20:10
  David Hyde: And,
• 1:20:15
  David Hyde: being a comic fan who did publicity is very different than, like, being a comic publicist, and going to San Diego Comic-Con for the first time, and reader, it is a lot.
• 1:20:27
  David Hyde: Like, it is, it is a lot to go to that show. If you… if you're listening, you've never been to Comic-Con, and you've never been there as a… as a professional, specifically as a marketing or publicity person, it's just…
• 1:20:43
  David Hyde: It's a marathon that you've already been running for a month, because it's all about the logistic,
• 1:20:51
  David Hyde: Wind-up and endurance that you've done.
• 1:20:55
  David Hyde: By the time that I finished my first Sunday…
• 1:21:01
  David Hyde: at Comic-Con, and I'd made it through the gauntlet, I felt… I've made a terrible mistake.
• 1:21:11
  David Hyde: And I was sitting at the bar by myself, like, you know, like, I am a social person?
• 1:21:18
  David Hyde: To some degree.
• 1:21:20
  David Hyde: I largely need time by myself to recharge. And, like, if you're at a show like that, you're working…
• 1:21:25
  Tad Eggleston: That sounds so… Common in comics.
• 1:21:30
  David Hyde: Yes, it's true. You're working, like, a 14-15 hour day.
• 1:21:34
  David Hyde: around people. So, we get the sun at night.
• 1:21:39
  David Hyde: I got nothing left. I'm watching the Red Sox play the Yankees on national TV. The, day before is the Veritech A-Rod fight.
• 1:21:49
  David Hyde: I used to…
• 1:21:50
  Tad Eggleston: I have… I used to have a print of that framed on my wall.
• 1:21:54
  David Hyde: As you should. We should have matched.
• 1:21:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, and by print of it, I mean I literally printed it on one of the colored printers at the college.
• 1:22:03
  Tad Eggleston: And by framed, I mean taped.
• 1:22:06
  David Hyde: So I'm, I'm sitting…
• 1:22:07
  Tad Eggleston: dorm room.
• 1:22:08
  David Hyde: I'm sitting myself at the bar on Sunday night at Comic-Con. I've just finished dinner. I'm probably looking pretty down in the dumps, to be honest with you, right?
• 1:22:18
  David Hyde: And up walks Mr. Dave Gibbons.
• 1:22:22
  Tad Eggleston: Nice.
• 1:22:23
  David Hyde: Obviously, gotten a chance to meet at the convention. Huge fan of Watchmen.
• 1:22:30
  David Hyde: If you've not met Dave Gibbons, Dave Gibbons is along with Matt Kent and a very small group of other people, truly tied for the nicest person in comics.
• 1:22:40
  David Hyde: And he said, David, how you doing? I said, you know, I'm hanging in there.
• 1:22:44
  David Hyde: And he said, hey, come and sit with me and my friend Frank.
• 1:22:48
  David Hyde: I said, okay.
• 1:22:49
  David Hyde: So I walk over, and dave orders me a drink, and I'm sitting there with Frank Miller, Dave Gibbons, and now, suddenly, many of the, cast
• 1:23:04
  David Hyde: of Sin City come up.
• 1:23:07
  David Hyde: And honestly, I could have cared less about… I mean, I love… Rosari Dawson's an amazing actor.
• 1:23:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I was about to say, Rosario and Robert, if he was there, I would have cared about. The rest of them?
• 1:23:20
  David Hyde: But I drew… you know, I was hanging out with the people who made the comics that I loved as a kid, like, deeply, and re-read over and over again. And not just watching them, I loved,
• 1:23:32
  David Hyde: Dave's run on Green Lantern that he did with Len Bean, where Hal Jordan quit and Jon Stewart became the Green Lantern.
• 1:23:39
  David Hyde: Like, I… those were… those were my Bible before I read Watchmen, you know? And just that moment of generosity
• 1:23:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  David Hyde: He didn't have to do that, right? No.
• 1:23:51
  David Hyde: read-only map…
• 1:23:53
  David Hyde: Earlier that weekend. And he just saw me sitting there alone, and thought, let's invite this kid over.
• 1:24:00
  David Hyde: I know, it's, incredible.
• 1:24:02
  Tad Eggleston: That's… that's fantastic. See, this is… this is why I asked this question now.
• 1:24:07
  Tad Eggleston: It was another one of your clients that was, like, the first one when I asked the question, and I love the answer so much, I'm like, I have to…
• 1:24:14
  Tad Eggleston: Ask. Always.
• 1:24:16
  Tad Eggleston: Matt Wagner had such a good answer. Actually, two of them.
• 1:24:20
  David Hyde: Matt's so good. Matt is so fun. He's just one of those fun…
• 1:24:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I had both…
• 1:24:25
  David Hyde: There's people, like, you want to communicate with in a different way, and Matt's very good and very, very quick to respond to email, but it's much more fun to get him on the phone.
• 1:24:36
  Tad Eggleston: I believe it.
• 1:24:36
  David Hyde: stories.
• 1:24:37
  Tad Eggleston: I believe it.
• 1:24:38
  Tad Eggleston: My traditional closing question, one of my favorite questions to ask anybody, anytime.
• 1:24:45
  Tad Eggleston: Tell me something you love.
• 1:24:47
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably a comic, but we don't really have rules.
• 1:24:50
  Tad Eggleston: Preferably storytelling, but again, with the rules.
• 1:24:54
  Tad Eggleston: But something that you love.
• 1:24:56
  Tad Eggleston: that not enough people around you have experienced. You really wish more of them would, so you had more people to talk about it with.
• 1:25:04
  David Hyde: Sure, so… I referenced him at least once, already, but my son was in college, and has…
• 1:25:14
  David Hyde: You know, followed in my footsteps as a comic fan, but then really became,
• 1:25:20
  David Hyde: Manga and an anime fan.
• 1:25:22
  David Hyde: And so he'll… he's often turning me on to things.
• 1:25:26
  David Hyde: But I recently discovered, the manga Tokyo These Days.
• 1:25:32
  Tad Eggleston: Ugh.
• 1:25:33
  David Hyde: So good.
• 1:25:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:25:36
  David Hyde: If you're.
• 1:25:37
  Tad Eggleston: I've only read the first two volumes so far, but yeah.
• 1:25:40
  David Hyde: Oh, so good. I read them all in one weekend.
• 1:25:44
  Tad Eggleston: I read them as they came out, and I just… I was busy when the third one came out.
• 1:25:48
  David Hyde: That's always the tricky part with serialized storytelling. It is, if you work in the industry or around the industry, it's such a compelling read,
• 1:26:02
  David Hyde: But it's about a manga editor who's
• 1:26:05
  David Hyde: kind of, you know, in his later days, a little burnt out, and he essentially puts together, like, the Justice League of mangaka to do a new,
• 1:26:17
  David Hyde: To do a new market anthology, and it is…
• 1:26:22
  David Hyde: Rewarding, and full of empathy, and… Kindness.
• 1:26:31
  David Hyde: Yeah, it's just, he's an amazing storyteller.
• 1:26:33
  David Hyde: Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Tad Eggleston: Tayo Matsumoto is… is… I have read Tech and Concrete and Sunny, that's why…
• 1:26:42
  David Hyde: That's why I picked up the…
• 1:26:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Tad Eggleston: And I feel like there's… was he one of the ones that did a Louvre book?
• 1:26:53
  Tad Eggleston: I feel like he was… yeah, Cats of the.
• 1:26:54
  David Hyde: That's the news, which I think that…
• 1:26:57
  David Hyde: It's tough, because when I get into, whether it's a manga car or a… prose writer.
• 1:27:03
  David Hyde: I'll definitely want to do a deep dive, right? Like, it is that…
• 1:27:07
  David Hyde: part of my brain that won't shut off, and wants to make connections to something else to give it more context.
• 1:27:16
  David Hyde: And yeah, so I went and I've been buying all of his books.
• 1:27:20
  David Hyde: Yeah. I will say that I got.
• 1:27:21
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic.
• 1:27:22
  David Hyde: John became by, the amazing, manga-splaining podcast, so if you, if you are listening…
• 1:27:31
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic podcast.
• 1:27:31
  David Hyde: so much about manga, the manga splitting podcast is for you. That's really what got me…
• 1:27:39
  David Hyde: super tapped in and kind of addicted to discovering new manga, and it's with Chip Zdarsky, and Dab Aoki, and David Brothers, and Christopher Woodrow Butcher.
• 1:27:51
  David Hyde: highest recommendation.
• 1:27:53
  Tad Eggleston: And, and, like…
• 1:27:57
  Tad Eggleston: I have to remind myself that I'm a teacher, because I wish I did show notes as…
• 1:28:03
  David Hyde: Oh my god, right?
• 1:28:04
  Tad Eggleston: in-depth as theirs, and I have to remind myself that A I put out way too many episodes, and B, it's not anywhere near my day job, so I have to forgive myself for not, like, annotating
• 1:28:19
  Tad Eggleston: any of my episodes. No way!
• 1:28:22
  David Hyde: They are long rabbit holes. I think that's Chris.
• 1:28:25
  Tad Eggleston: They're amazing rabbit holes, though.
• 1:28:27
  David Hyde: Yeah, they, they, they really… They go all in.
• 1:28:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:28:33
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, well…
• 1:28:35
  David Hyde: I will do a quick plug for the podcast.
• 1:28:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yes, please.
• 1:28:39
  David Hyde: for… Before we sign off.
• 1:28:41
  Tad Eggleston: Because I love the way… I haven't listened enough of the episodes, but I love the concepts, so yes, please plug it.
• 1:28:48
  David Hyde: Well, well, please, we need the listens, so, so please, I know, but…
• 1:28:53
  Tad Eggleston: I, I've reached this point.
• 1:28:55
  Tad Eggleston: I've reached this…
• 1:28:57
  Tad Eggleston: point where if I want to talk to somebody, I email them and I arrange for them to be on my own podcast.
• 1:29:03
  David Hyde: Right?
• 1:29:04
  David Hyde: Well, so the…
• 1:29:05
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I listen to so many less comics podcasts than I used to, because even half the time.
• 1:29:11
  David Hyde: mutual one.
• 1:29:12
  Tad Eggleston: But it is.
• 1:29:14
  David Hyde: For those of you who are… But, I think you.
• 1:29:15
  Tad Eggleston: We'll agree that so is mine.
• 1:29:18
  David Hyde: Yes, I agree.
• 1:29:24
  David Hyde: So, the Superfun Podcast is where we talk to the people who make the comics you love about the things they love that are not comics. And what I like about it as somebody who's a publicist is it,
• 1:29:39
  David Hyde: if you are Rodney Barnes, or you are Matt Kent, or you're Marjorie Liu, and you've done so many of these interviews,
• 1:29:46
  David Hyde: it is hard, even if you are trying to be present, to not slip into something you've said over and over before. Right. You find a way of talking about your art.
• 1:29:58
  David Hyde: Or talking about your life, that becomes a little bit of a script.
• 1:30:02
  David Hyde: And… It can still be really, really compelling, but to ask people about the things that they love.
• 1:30:13
  David Hyde: Especially right now, feels like a really profound thing to do, and to have some real positivity.
• 1:30:21
  David Hyde: And… what's really fun is some of these conversations, it's sort of… it feels self-evident.
• 1:30:33
  David Hyde: how the things that they love has informed their art. So you've got Rodney Barnes talking about Stephen King. That makes sense. Rodney is one of the best horror comics writers out there. Or you have Matt Kent talking about Jean Lecrae. Again, that makes sense.
• 1:30:47
  David Hyde: Beautiful.
• 1:30:48
  Tad Eggleston: I may have talked to Matt Kent about John LeCare.
• 1:30:51
  Tad Eggleston: March…
• 1:30:52
  David Hyde: Lou? Talk about gardening?
• 1:30:55
  Tad Eggleston: I can see that.
• 1:30:56
  David Hyde: That's… that's a different kind of conversation.
• 1:30:59
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but I…
• 1:31:00
  David Hyde: wrestling?
• 1:31:01
  David Hyde: Like, the… and once you get into it, though, you see…
• 1:31:07
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, gardening… you can see gardening all over Night Eaters.
• 1:31:11
  David Hyde: Oh, yeah. 100%.
• 1:31:14
  David Hyde: I love night eaters.
• 1:31:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Marjorie's on my list of people I want to talk to one day.
• 1:31:22
  David Hyde: She's a phenomenal person. Phenomenal writer, phenomenal person.
• 1:31:25
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we, we, we read through…
• 1:31:29
  Tad Eggleston: For our weekly podcast, we did a, a read-through of Monstrous.
• 1:31:36
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, good.
• 1:31:38
  Tad Eggleston: So, yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah…
• 1:31:40
  David Hyde: It's, you know, we've only done two seasons of the podcast. They're a lot of work. We are all incredibly.
• 1:31:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, cause you do, like, editing and stuff, and…
• 1:31:50
  David Hyde: Yeah, shout out to, Bryant Dillon of Fanbase Press, our amazing editor. We have a theme, like, yeah, we, we went all in. We have a, we have a theme song.
• 1:32:01
  Tad Eggleston: I'm, like, frustrated that I have to edit my last episode because my internet dropped out for a minute, and I have to go find and clean it up.
• 1:32:10
  David Hyde: Oh, that's brutal. That's brittle.
• 1:32:13
  Tad Eggleston: But then I don't get paid for my podcast.
• 1:32:16
  David Hyde: Neither do we.
• 1:32:17
  Tad Eggleston: So thank you.
• 1:32:17
  David Hyde: That, that's…
• 1:32:19
  Tad Eggleston: The other… well, I mean, yeah, kind of.
• 1:32:21
  Tad Eggleston: But kind of not.
• 1:32:23
  Tad Eggleston: It is your business.
• 1:32:25
  David Hyde: It… but they're actually two different businesses.
• 1:32:28
  Tad Eggleston: Are they?
• 1:32:28
  David Hyde: Yeah…
• 1:32:29
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Yeah.
• 1:32:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Well, then you just… Are more dedicated to your podcast, or at least more dedicated
• 1:32:38
  Tad Eggleston: In a different way, I don't know.
• 1:32:40
  David Hyde: Yeah, I think his, I think he just nailed it, though.
• 1:32:44
  Tad Eggleston: You've done, like, a hundred times more episodes than you.
• 1:32:46
  David Hyde: They have a… they have a specific thing that they set out to do, which was once a week, and I just… I don't have…
• 1:32:53
  David Hyde: The bandwidth for that?
• 1:32:55
  David Hyde: Right. The co-hosts don't have the bandwidth for that, and we tried to do something that we would feel really good about, that was,
• 1:33:04
  David Hyde: Something that we could repeat and do it again, and do it again at a high level.
• 1:33:08
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I like that.
• 1:33:11
  David Hyde: But it, yeah, I mean, that's what's fun about the internet, right? Is that, like, there's lots of different styles and rhythms for…
• 1:33:18
  David Hyde: For all these. We knew that there's so many great comic podcasts out there that we had to.
• 1:33:24
  Tad Eggleston: There are.
• 1:33:24
  David Hyde: Very different, you know?
• 1:33:26
  Tad Eggleston: I mean.
• 1:33:27
  David Hyde: response.
• 1:33:27
  Tad Eggleston: I, I, I, I mean, I need to find an excuse to do it again, but
• 1:33:34
  Tad Eggleston: Couple of years ago, I went on what I called the 22 Panels Ill-Advised Comic Shop Tour. My wife's spring break and my spring break didn't line up, so I had a week that I could do whatever I wanted, so I, you know…
• 1:33:51
  Tad Eggleston: drove to Columbus, and then down to Charlotte, and then up through D.C. and Annapolis, and spent a couple of days in New York, and… and cut back through…
• 1:34:03
  Tad Eggleston: Rochester, or Albany, Rochester, Buffalo, Cleveland, etc. I hit, I think, 30 comic shops over 10 days, but I also spent
• 1:34:13
  Tad Eggleston: All the car time listening to different comics podcasts, so we wound up doing
• 1:34:19
  Tad Eggleston: episodes while I was on that trip were…
• 1:34:22
  Tad Eggleston: it was… it was a mixture of me talking about the comics podcast that I had listened to, and…
• 1:34:27
  Tad Eggleston: brief interviews that I did with people at comic shops.
• 1:34:31
  Tad Eggleston: all over the East.
• 1:34:34
  David Hyde: Well, I, I hope that you get to take an actual vacation with your wife, next time, but if not.
• 1:34:41
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, I mean, we've taken vacations together since then. I mean, it was… it was, again, it was that unique… and it happened this year, but C2E2 was during my spring break this year, so it didn't leave town. Every once in a while, our spring breaks just don't line up.
• 1:34:57
  Tad Eggleston: So, you know, it's like…
• 1:35:00
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, half the time when they do line up, we don't go anywhere, we just hang out here, but…
• 1:35:06
  Tad Eggleston: But… that year, like… It was right after travel was really possible again after COVID. It's like 2022.
• 1:35:16
  Tad Eggleston: So it seemed like the good thing to do.
• 1:35:18
  Tad Eggleston: But you're gonna have to get to your dog soon, and I have an off-air question to ask you. So, we're gonna say, for David Hyde, who I'm certain will be back, because I think we had a good time, and we didn't talk enough baseball, so I know I can sucker him back.
• 1:35:31
  Tad Eggleston: This has been 22 Panels, and we will see you after the next page.