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r/Movies Recommends Wildcard: Immortals (2011) · Fumbling Through Film

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  Gathered together from the cosmic reaches of the universe, here in this great screening room with comfortable recliners, are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled. Keith!
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  I, I kind of love this guy now. It's movies, you idiots. We're making stuff up.
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  Terry!
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  That doesn't count, I don't think. I don't know if that counts.
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  Derek!
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  There's— I hear hyenas, but I don't see hyenas. People will expect hyenas if they hear hyenas, so they had to put a hyena in there.
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  And the Power Twins, Zap and Jordan, with their magical lemur snort, dedicated Welcome back to Fumbling Their Way Through Movies, one forgotten gem at a time.
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  This week we watch the 2011 Greek god epic, Immortals.
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  This is Fumbling Through Film.
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  You wield that axe well, Theseus. Maybe someday we'll see you use the same determination to find a wife.
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  You're conspiring with my mother now.
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  She worries about you.
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  There's no need to worry about me.
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  You know, being a warrior is not just being able to strike your opponent down with a sword. It's finding good reason to draw your sword in the first place.
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  I draw my sword to protect those that I love.
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  What about the others?
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  The others turned their backs on me.
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  The weak? The defenseless? Who's going to protect them?
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  Careful. This worry will make you an old man.
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  Hello and welcome to another one of a kind, another defining, brand new episode of Fumbling Through Film, the only show that dares to bring together 3 dudes to talk about movies. These aren't just any movies though.
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  Nope.
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  These are the ones we've missed, overlooked, or feel are simply worth revisiting.
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  Sounds like any.
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  Sounds like any. Keith, you are spot on this week. You are firing on all cylinders. Wow. Sounds like, sounds like any movie to me, but Carrie's— Not to me. Yeah, no.
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  Yeah, you called it.
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  Well, you know, see who— we're all firing on all cylinders this week.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  We're on fire today. That's right.
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  Oh man, my name is Derek and I'm a fumbler. That one of those pistons that's just like in the engine that is this Podcast, the machine, is the Prime Minister of Fumbling and Film, Keith.
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  Hey, hey, what's up, KG? Fumbler extraordinaire. Um, that was a car reference. I have no idea what that means, so, uh, we're just gonna move on. I'm not good with cars.
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  Wow,
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  that piston misfired there, apparently. I think that's— I think that's a legitimate car term.
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  Oh yeah,
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  uh,
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  cars have lots of pistons. I'm sure
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  another piston in our engine block that could is the Dr. A of Kansas, Terry.
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  Hey everybody, I know we can, and I know we could, and I know we should.
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  And so we shall.
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  Yes, see, it's all about believing in, in ourselves, and that's what we do here. We always believe in ourselves.
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  It is. It's believing in ourselves and knowing that the gods believe in us as well.
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  Jesus, I wish somebody would tell me that like 12 months ago.
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  Oh,
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  12 fumbler months ago.
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  That the gods believe in us or that we should believe in ourselves?
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  Both.
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  Yeah, I heard Poseidon's a real big fan of us. Poseidon really likes us.
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  Yes, and it's not just because I sound like I'm underwater today.
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  Oh yeah, maybe Poseidon played a little trick on you. Maybe that's what it was.
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  Yeah, as I, as I bring up the, the 3rd string microphone from the, from the, uh, AAA squad.
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  From the depths of the ocean, besides, like, here, I got you.
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  From the depths of hell.
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  Hades. Yes. Oh, Hades might like us too. Oh my God, I played so much.
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  This weekend. Have you played that, Terry?
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  Yes, Hades. I love Hades. I haven't beat it yet, but I like it.
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  I have not played it before, and I was like, I'm gonna play today. And I played— not just today, I played it too many hours this weekend.
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  Yep, that was a, that was a commitment you didn't know you were getting into with that game.
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  No, it was not. And I should have been doing sound checks, but no, I was dying repeatedly.
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  That's fine, that's fine. Hades is worth the, uh, it's very thematic to the movie we watched, actually.
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  It is. I was in a very Greek mythology, uh, weekend. I
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  guess you're getting in the zone for recording today. We get it.
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  I was getting into some sort of something. Uh, well,
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  yeah, that's
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  true. Well, you know, you know, this is some sort of something we get into. This podcast. This podcast. Let's tell people what it is we do here. We watch movies. Yes. Not just any movies. Every month, one of us chooses a theme, a genre, a guiding light, something to inform us to make our selections with. And we each choose a movie that adheres to that. theme. And on the 4th week, we rest by spinning the Wheel of Doom, and we get a movie that was randomly selected for us that is tangentially related to what we watched throughout the month. Yep. And this month, month 12, was a me month. Derek, I chose it. I said, guys, our goal is to watch movies we've never seen before, but not just any movies we haven't seen before. I went to Reddit and I said, hey Reddit, suggest movies that you had, you know, somebody, if you find out somebody hasn't watched, you, you try to convince them to watch it. So we got a thread with a bunch of movies. We had to choose something from there. And the first week I chose The Fall, and then Keith chose
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  Sneakers,
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  and then Terry chose
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  King of Comedy.
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  The King of Comedy. And then we spun the wheel, and the wheel gave us Immortals, which is what I put on there, and was directed by Tarzan Singh, who also directed The Fall. So that's where that came from.
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  Yep.
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  Yep.
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  Now, before we do a deep dive into Immortals, before we talk about our viewing of Immortals, did any of us have any prior experience or knowledge of Immortals?
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  Yes. I saw this movie in theaters, I believe.
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  You did? Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  He's an OG Immortal.
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  My wife claims that she doesn't think she saw it with me, but I'm like, yeah, based on the time that it came out, yeah, we would have seen it together.
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  Interesting.
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  Still early in our—
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  Maybe Keith just dreamed of seeing it in the movie theater.
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  He might have dreamed it. It might have been a prophetic vision that he saw.
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  Oh, Keith is the— what is it? The Virgin
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  Prophet?
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  What are they called? How do they call something like that?
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  The Oracle?
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  The Virgin Oracle. That's Keith, the Virgin Oracle.
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  Hmm, the Virgin Oracle of podcasting. That's what they call him.
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  He's known for that. What about you, Terry?
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  I gave up my, uh, prophecy ability a long time ago.
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  Oh well, that's, that's all right. Um, I hadn't— I feel like I may have heard of this at some point, but, uh, I might be thinking of like the Clash of Titans remake or something. Um, so I— yeah, no, I'm not really familiar with it at all, but knowing that it was directed by the guy who did The Fall made me very interested to watch it.
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  Hey, I had not heard of it, no idea what this was, but when we did— when we did the deep dive for The Fall and we're like, oh, Tarsem Singh, Greek mythology, Henry Cavill, I'm like, oh, this could be kind of good, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, I think that's the first thing that I know Henry Cavill from.
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  Immortals. Oh, not Superman.
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  I think Superman comes on, I think, after.
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  Oh, I thought you meant like the first thing you think of when you think of him.
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  No, no, no, no, that's the first thing that I, that I remember like seeing him in.
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  Makes sense. Yeah.
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  Okay. I want to say I might have seen— I want to say I might have seen this movie with my dad and stepmom.
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  Oh, interesting.
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  Like, I think, like, I think we were hanging out for like, uh, holiday time or some sort of get-together and And we decided to go see a movie, and I feel like that's what we ended up settling on, which is just a movie to go see with them.
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  But that is a weird movie to just like that's to settle on with your folks.
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  Yeah.
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  Either way, you know parents love Greek mythology.
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  No, I'm a parent. I love Greek mythology. All right. Well, let's do it. Let's let's do them there. He I might take you guys close to this movie. than you could have ever imagined, because it's time to find out who else is a fan of our show and who else is close to us with another patent-pending Funtlers Deep Dive. The movie is The Immortals, this submission came out on November 10th, 2011. Rated R, it's an hour and 50 minutes long. Theseus is a mortal man chosen by Zeus to lead the fight against the ruthless King Hyperion, who is on a rampage across Greece to obtain a weapon that can destroy humanity.
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  Yeah,
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  basically.
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  It gets a 6.0 on IMDb and a 50% off of 136 reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
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  Hmm, okay.
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  It was made with a budget of approximately $75 million. It opened to $32.2 million, had an $83.5 million domestic run, run, run, $227 million worldwide. Not too shabby.
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  270 is pretty good.
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  Not too bad. So director Tarsem Singh, we know him from The Fall. He also directed The Cell, Mirror Mirror, and Immortals. I just thought I'd just— I'm going to highlight some fun facts. So IMDb lists his trademarks as colorful settings.
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  Yes.
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  This one I have, I have a little problem with because of this movie. Seamless combination of practical and CGI effects.
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  Uh, not so seamless sometimes.
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  No. Many scenes depicting sand or desert landscapes.
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  Okay, I guess so. Sure.
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  Use of symmetrical structures, most prominently squares and cubes.
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  He likes cubes. I've noticed that.
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  Yes, he does. Characters with elaborate costumes.
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  He loves that
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  very
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  much. I like that too, honestly.
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  Yeah, yeah, I do too. And She frequently collaborated with the late Heiko Ishioka. She was the costume designer until her passing. She was the only costume designer he had worked with. So I was like, oh yeah, find out what she did. She was a celebrated costume designer who worked in Tarsee blah blah blah until she passed in 2012. She was nominated for an Oscar for costume design in Mirror Mirror, a Tarantino movie. She had costumes on Immortals, The Fall, The Cell, and she won the Oscar for her costume work in 1992's Dracula.
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  Oh, Bram Stoker's Dracula.
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  Bram Stoker's centuries-old vampire Count Dracula comes to England to seduce his barrister Jonathan Harker's fiancée Mina Murray and wreak havoc in the foreign land. Directed by Francis Ford Coppola, stars Gary Oldman, Winona Ryder, Anthony Hopkins, and Constantine himself, Keanu Reeves. And then tangentially, Tarasov Singh was originally attached to direct Constantine movie back in 2000.
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  Oh really? That would be cool.
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  Yep, I really like the Constantine movie, you know. It has it isn't super comic accurate. I still enjoyed it. Yeah, not bad. I also found out this week that Constantine is not pronounced Constantine; it's supposed to be pronounced Constantine.
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  What? No, no, we're not doing that.
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  Somebody said.
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  Is he Irish or something like that?
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  Yeah,
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  he's British, I think, or something.
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  Yeah, something like that.
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  I don't know if I can trust that. I'm just gonna keep calling him wrong the whole time.
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  Yep. All right, this movie was written by brothers Charlie and Vlas Halapanidis. Halapanidis. These— they're Greek. Uh, they have a handful of writing credits and they've— they always work together. They wrote Immortals. They created and wrote the Netflix Greek god anime Blood of Zeus. And they also wrote the much maligned 2017 Netflix original movie of an insanely popular Japanese anime Death Note.
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  Oh, they wrote that? Really?
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  They wrote that. A high school student named Light Turner discovers a mysterious notebook that has the powers to kill anyone whose name is written within its pages and launches a secret crusade to rid the world of criminals. I remember watching this movie. I remember not liking it. I remember nothing else about it. It was directed by Adam Wingard and stars Nat Wolff as Light Turner. Lakeith Stanfield is L.
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  He's awesome as well.
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  Margaret Qualley as Mia Sutton. Mia Sutton, I guess that's supposed to be the American version of Misa Amane. I tell you, and Willem Dafoe was the voice of Mook,
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  and he's great as that too.
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  Yes, the movie I remember being very bad. Doesn't end with like a carnival or something with a Ferris wheel?
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  I hot take kind of liked it. Um, obviously, obviously the anime is very different. than what the movie is. And if you're looking for an exact adaptation, that's not what you're gonna get because this Light Turner is kind of dumb and he's not very smart. Um, but it's like, what if the notes— how you really feel, like in the hands of like an average Joe instead of like a weird super genius? Like,
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  yeah,
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  like
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  maybe I have to give it another chance,
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  but I don't think it's bad. I think people hate it, overhate it because it's not the, a very accurate adaptation, but And there's some dumb stuff in it.
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  I don't mind. I don't mind adaptations of stories in different medium being different, right? That doesn't bother me. I just remember it not being good. Like, there's something about it. Like, I don't remember any specifics other than Willem Dafoe as Ryuk, which I thought was a great casting choice.
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  Great casting choice.
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  This movie stars Henry Cavill as Theseus. He has 30 acting credits going back to 2001. Most recently, he played Wolverine in Deadpool and Wolverine.
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  Oh yeah.
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  He's Geralt in The Witcher. He's Sherlock Holmes in Enola Holmes 1 and 2, Superman in the much maligned Snyderverse. But in 2018, he played the mustachioed August Walker in Mission: Impossible Fallout.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah, where
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  he
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  cocked his arms.
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  Yeah. I don't know or care which Mission: Impossible movie this is, but he does have a scene where he cocks his arms. He like racks them like shotguns, like he's pumping a shotgun. before he fights. During that sequence, when he goes from a clean-shaven to a 5 o'clock shadow, when he— but he cocks his arms too.
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  That, uh, that, that scene— I knew about that scene. I'd watched the trailer. I'm like, wow, he's such a badass guy. He's so cool. And then the actual scene in the movie is like him and Tom Cruise getting their butts just absolutely kicked by this random man the whole time, basically.
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  And I was like, I've seen it.
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  This is not what I was expecting.
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  It's a good one.
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  It's a good fight scene, but I guess just like did not go the way I expected it to go because like, oh man, Henry Cavill's gonna beat the crap out of someone. No, he's getting destroyed by somebody, man.
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  And is it— isn't it also that's where he has the mustache in The Five O'Clock Show? Because that's part of the thing he was working on.
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  And, and then when he did Justice League and he did reshoots, they wouldn't allow him to shave his mustache, so then they tried to digitally remove his mustache.
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  Yeah, yeah, because they had to do reshoots for it and he was already Um, yeah, filming the next mission. That was horrible. The first scene of that, um— oh, who's the guy who did the like reshoot version of the Zack Snyder thing? Joss Whedon. The Joss Whedon version of Justice League, that first scene of Superman with the kids, that horrible CGI taking out the mustache. It looks so weird.
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  It looks terrible. It's the first thing you see in the movie.
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  Yeah, it was a horrible idea to make that the first like impression of this movie.
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  It's like, buckle in, you're ready for some shit.
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  Yeah, right. The Zack Snyder version is actually pretty good. I thought
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  it was all right. So Mickey Rourke is in this movie. He stars as King Hyperion, or depending on who pronounces in the movie, it's either Hyperion or Hyperion. Like, people pronounce it different every time. He has 97 acting credits going back to 1976. He's been in a ton of cool and weird things like The Pope of Greenwich Village, 9½ Weeks, Barfly, which is a very weird movie, Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man, Bullet, Buffalo '66, He was Whiplash in the much maligned Iron Man 2.
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  Oh yeah.
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  But since 2018, I— this blew my mind because I was just going to list, I'm like, wait a minute, this is weird. Since 2018, he's been in 21 movies.
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  Really?
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  Movies in 7 years. And I'm just going on the list real quick. I'm gonna name them all. Wait, and Nightmare Cinema, Tiger, Berlin, I Love You, Night Walk, Adverse, The Legion, Girl, Take Back, Man of God, The Commando, War Hunt, Hunt Club, Section 8, The Palace, Murder Motel, 21 Rubies, Murder at Hollow Creek, Not Another Church Movie, Death Jinx, The Roaring Game. The average IMDb rating of those movies is 4.2. That includes the 7.1 of Man of God, the 6.2 of 21 Rubies and Murder Motel, and it's still a 4.2 for those 21 movies.
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  Wow.
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  He, he has been on a check-cashing spree. A lot of these feel like straight to like Not straight to video anymore because they're straight to streaming then, I guess. Yeah, like Tubi original type movies.
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  He's like a guy they like semi-famous so they can get—
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  Put a name on it. Yeah.
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  Reasonable price probably, and still, yeah, have some sort of name that they can throw out there.
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  You said that was all since when?
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  2018.
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  Okay, so it's all, it's all, uh, post-winning the Oscar for The Wrestler as well. So he probably can really Really is able to up his the the money that he's taking in. Yep. Yeah, it I forgot he was in this. I also forgot Stephen Dorff was in
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  this. Did
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  you?
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  Yep. And those are kind of like signs of death for a movie. I think a lot a lot of times.
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  I like Mickey Rourke to an extent. I think the the big thing for Mickey Rourke was he's in what movie was he in that was like his big like return?
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  Like
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  The Wrestler.
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  The Wrestler.
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  The Wrestler.
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  There was something before that though. I feel like there wasn't he in Uh, Sin City.
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  Iron Man 2.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, I think he's got— yeah, he—
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  oh, he was in that. Oh,
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  and that was like the big like return for, for Mickey Rourke.
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  But yeah, right. Yeah, I always forget about that one.
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  So as Keith mentioned, this movie also has Stephen Dorff as Stavros in it, even though I don't know if they ever say his name, but he's Stavros. He has 109 acting credits in TV and film going back to 1985. He was in episodes each Of the do leave it to Beaver, different strokes, empty nest, married with children, and three episodes of Roseanne. He did eight episodes of True Detective, and he was in movies like Officer Down, Carjacked, Botched, Tennis City One.
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  Come on, that's not as movie titles.
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  Oh, Judgment Judgment Night.
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  How could we? That that that question mark. Judgment Night.
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  How could we not get that for a time when we can actually have a wheel to pick from? That'd be great.
• 19:27
  Tennis City One. I want that. Yeah.
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  He was in the much maligned and probably worst movie I've ever sat all the way through, Fear.com. He was in Blade. But in 2000, he played the titular character in the John Waters dark comedy Cecil B. Demented. An insane independent film director and his renegade group of teenage filmmakers kidnap an A-list movie actress and force her to star in their underground film. I have seen this movie. It's fucking weird. It stars Melanie Griffith, Stephen Dorff, Alicia Witt, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Ricky Lake, Kevin Nealon, and Roseanne Barr.
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  That is a hell of a lineup.
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  It's a John Waters too. He doesn't make him eat poop in this one, so that's good.
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  That's nice. I like it when they don't make actors do that.
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  Yeah, well, he made them in Pink Flamingos.
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  Uh,
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  there's a scene where people eat shit and he made them actually eat shit.
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  That's disgusting.
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  Agreed. I don't know if you You remember in the Wayback Machine, uh, conversation of seeing things eat poop? It makes me retch instantly. I can't watch Pink Flamingos because of that.
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  I sure— too bad there's no way to like, you know, fake it or something. Like, you have to genuinely do it.
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  Yeah, can't get the genuine visceral reaction of poop eating if you don't eat real poop.
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  Yeah, you didn't have, um, like mocap or anything like that, or CGI.
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  Not in the early '80s. Nope, nope. You couldn't eat like a green piece of candy and then make it look like poop in post.
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  You're gonna mocap yourself? That's what you're mocapping?
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  Yep, that's the only way to fake it— eating a big green piece of food and then making it look like poop in post.
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  You could green Styrofoam or something.
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  Yeah, yes, you just make him eat green Styrofoam instead of eating poop.
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  I'd rather eat that, I'll be honest. Yeah, 100%. Even if my body can't digest Styrofoam, I'll still eat it.
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  The movie lists those 3 actors as starring. And this movie is 98% testosterone. But I figured like, go through them, like I better talk about Frida Pinto. She played Phaedra, the Virgin Oracle. She has 34 acting credits going back to 2007. Her debut was in Slumdog Millionaire. She played the older Latika. I never saw that, so I don't know who that is. Latika.
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  Yeah.
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  She was in My Mother's Wedding, Rise of the Planet of the Apes.
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  Totally.
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  The much maligned Hillbilly Elegy, Blood Force Trauma, Knight of Cups, Mowgli: Legend of the Jungle. Oh, 2021, she played Alex Leslie in a movie called Needle in a Time Stack.
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  Okay. I had to look this up.
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  Nick and Janine live in marital bliss until Janine's ex-husband warps time to try to tear them apart. As Nick's memories disappear, he must decide what he's willing to sacrifice in order to hold on to or let go of everything he loves. Wow. Leslie Odom Jr., Rita Pinto, and the wickedly talented Cynthia Erivo. That
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  sounds interesting. So like that vengeful ex is traveling through time to like destroy their relationship of his ex-girlfriend.
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  I also like what you did there, Derek, the wickedly talented.
• 22:43
  Oh, that's a shout out to Comedy Bang Bang for anybody that listens to that.
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  All
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  right. Are you guys ready for some Immortal fun facts?
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  These first 4 are very related. Henry Cavill refused all assistance from the makeup and visual effects department to achieve his 8-pack for the movie. He told them, I do not want you to draw abs on me. Cavill said it was a pride thing for him, and he actually wanted to have that body for real and show it in the film.
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  He he looks great.
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  Yeah, he's he's ripped. If you're an actor, you have full license to use steroids, so just go for it. Yeah, Henry.
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  That's so much work to like do that. Like yeah, but at least you're like getting I guess paid to do it, so that's nice.
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  But it's not that it's not that much work.
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  Oh yeah, I guess. How hard could it be? I could probably do it if I really put my mind to it.
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  If you really put your mind to it,
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  yeah. It's more the maintaining it afterwards the hard part. Just get into it. It's not a big.
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  Yeah, I guarantee you I am ripped underneath the layer of fat I have.
• 23:51
  Oh yeah, I think we all are kind of ripped at some point.
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  Yeah, I have great muscle definition if you just got rid of all the fat.
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  If you can find it, it's there. Okay. Yep, it's somewhere in there.
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  How do you think— how do you think my body carries all this around? It is strong. It is. Yep, solid muscle going on.
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  We got 12 packs over here. Podcasting is hard work, which, you know,
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  is hard work. Henry Cavill's skin color in this movie, however, is not natural. He had to put on a deep brown tan every morning before shooting.
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  Oh, he really tanned up?
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  Yes.
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  Interesting.
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  And also, Henry Cavill, who is naturally hairy, had to shave his torso for this movie.
• 24:29
  He is very not hairy in this, so that probably was annoying for him.
• 24:32
  He said that shaving had its advantages, as he was able to see all of the muscle definition that he had achieved for the role.
• 24:40
  Oh yeah, you look in the mirror, it's all worth it.
• 24:45
  The final related fun fact: there was a big breakout of chest acne among the male cast actors due to the waxing of their chests for the shirtless scenes.
• 24:55
  Oh no.
• 24:56
  Stephen Dorff said he preferred to— he preferred to use an electric razor instead.
• 25:01
  Interesting. Wow, that—
• 25:03
  imagine all the CGI they had to do to cover all that up too.
• 25:05
  All that chest acne. That was 4 fun facts that were all They were littered throughout the fun facts, but I felt they were related, so I put them all together.
• 25:13
  Yeah, those might be 4 of the funnest facts we've had.
• 25:16
  Possibly, possibly.
• 25:17
  In the entire run of this so far.
• 25:19
  We don't really talk about chest acne very often, so that's nice.
• 25:22
  Very rarely do we talk about chest acne. To achieve the effect of gods moving much quicker than humans, those scenes were shot at 1,000 frames per second.
• 25:32
  Whoa, that's a lot of frames.
• 25:33
  That's kind of cool. I like that. I thought that was pretty fun.
• 25:36
  Uh huh.
• 25:38
  Here's two more related fun facts. Luke Evans, who played Zeus, lost 30 pounds in seven weeks for his role as Zeus in this movie.
• 25:46
  Wow!
• 25:47
  He wanted no help either from the.
• 25:49
  You know, he's like, "I'm gonna do this myself."
• 25:52
  Like
• 25:52
  Zeus can get
• 25:53
  away with being a little chunky.
• 25:54
  You think?
• 25:55
  I see Russell Crowe.
• 25:56
  Yeah, right.
• 25:59
  That Zeus.
• 26:02
  Yeah.
• 26:03
  Related, Luke Evans appeared as Zeus's son Apollo in Clash of the Titans 2010.
• 26:09
  Did he? Wow.
• 26:11
  A terrible remake.
• 26:13
  Mickey Rourke was in negotiations to play Conan's father in Conan the Barbarian 2011.
• 26:20
  Oh.
• 26:20
  But eventually chose to do this movie instead, and Ron Perlman took the role of Conan's father.
• 26:26
  Whoa, Ron Perlman's in that?
• 26:28
  Yeah,
• 26:29
  well, I want to watch that.
• 26:30
  He's Jason Momoa's father.
• 26:32
  Makes sense. They look very similar. Makes sense.
• 26:35
  Look exactly alike.
• 26:38
  I love Ron Perlman.
• 26:41
  Only movie I've ever seen in the drive-in theater, the Conan remake.
• 26:44
  That's the only movie you've seen?
• 26:46
  You've always— that's the only movie you've seen in the drive-in theater?
• 26:48
  Yeah, because my son had just been born and we wanted to go see a movie, so we took him with, and then he slept in the back.
• 26:53
  You wanted to go see—
• 26:53
  you went with your son to see Conan?
• 26:56
  Well, he's up, he's up in the back while me and my wife watch the movie.
• 26:59
  I love how you're like, we have an infant son, we have to go see Conan the Barbarian. We make—
• 27:08
  she totally—
• 27:08
  it's a drive-in. That's awesome.
• 27:11
  It works. Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do. I get it, I get it. If you're gonna watch— if you gotta watch Conan, you gotta do it somehow. So yeah.
• 27:21
  Taras Singh described his approach to this movie as being like Caravaggio meets Fight Club.
• 27:28
  What?
• 27:29
  So Caravaggio, I looked it up, it came out in 1966.
• 27:31
  The car people?
• 27:33
  No, the Caravaggio. A retelling of the life of the celebrated 17th century painter through his brilliant, nearly blasphemous paintings and his flirtations with the underworld.
• 27:44
  Interesting. Okay, I'm looking up Caravaggio. That sounds cool.
• 27:47
  It does sound interesting. And Fight Club. Which I guess a bunch of shirtless dudes beating the crap out of one another.
• 27:51
  That part, I guess, makes sense. I guess in terms of just like shirtless people running around, but I don't really know.
• 27:57
  I didn't see any of the like the satire or the themes yet.
• 28:04
  Yeah.
• 28:04
  And then finally, the final fun fact. This is the funnest of them all. As Theseus enters the cave of the Titans' imprisonment. Now, this, take this with a grain of salt. with a grain of salt. They're one person's interpretations. Put the fun fact in. The cadence of the music matches that of the theme to Mission: Impossible.
• 28:22
  What? What?
• 28:24
  Yeah, no, hold on, hold on.
• 28:27
  Okay, okay.
• 28:28
  I, I wrote this down before I watched the movie, and when that scene came up, I was trying to like figure it out. And I guess it matches the theme to Mission: Impossible, uh, 7 years later. Henry Cavill would co-star in Mission Impossible Fallout 2018.
• 28:44
  So there you go. That's really a very deep fun fact. Wow.
• 28:48
  That's about as fun as it gets because it's it's 100% made up.
• 28:51
  Like yeah, that's so much interpretation needed in that fact. I feel like
• 28:57
  I see Derek sitting there watching, feeling.
• 29:01
  I was waiting for that. That melody does not come out, but I guess the tempo's there. I don't know.
• 29:07
  Was it like the diddly diddly? No, no, it isn't. It's it's like there's like.
• 29:13
  heavy. It's like when they're, when they're going into that at the end, it's like, it's very heavy, but I guess it goes to that, that tempo. It's not, it's not the same.
• 29:21
  Wow. If he literally just means it's the same tempo as Mission: Impossible, that's insane. That's an insane fun fact. Like, that's hyper-specific. Like, that guy had to pull out like a metronome and is like counting the
• 29:38
  beats, the BPM.
• 29:40
  Yeah. That's insane. Wow. Well, you know what? I can't prove him wrong. Maybe he's right. I don't know. I didn't pay attention. Derek sounds like—
• 29:49
  I, I don't even wanna prove him wrong. That's fine.
• 29:51
  Just let him have, let him have his fun.
• 29:54
  Yeah. Whoever put that in there, you win. You win IMDb for putting that fun fact. It makes me wanna go into other movies and just put in like unprovable fun facts or like fun facts that are so tedious no one cares to even double-check 'em.
• 30:05
  Uh, let me just, from experience, IMDb will let you add anything you want. Just check this here.
• 30:12
  If you sync this up to,
• 30:14
  uh, yep, Immortals and, uh, Dark Side of the
• 30:18
  Moon.
• 30:19
  No, I was gonna say The Wizard of Oz, baby.
• 30:22
  Oh yeah, if you play the movie Immortals along with episode 5 of Fumbling Through Film, it matches up perfectly right at the 50-minute.
• 30:31
  Yep,
• 30:32
  it does. Oh,
• 30:33
  Derek says the same iconic line. Yeah,
• 30:36
  even the midpoint. All right, all right, boys. We got really close to Immortals, closer than we ever dared we could imagine getting there. And now I think we need to talk about our viewing of Immortals.
• 30:48
  I think we probably should.
• 30:50
  I'll tell you what, I was hyped for this— not hyped, but I was really geared up for this movie, Mike, because I really liked The Fall.
• 30:58
  Yes, I was excited as well. As more like— as it approached, I was like, ooh, I'm about to watch this. I hope it's—
• 31:04
  I like Greek mythology.
• 31:06
  It's, it's almost, to some extent, it's almost visually almost a bit opposite of The Fall. The Fall is so bright colored and, and all their locations, it's always like out in the sun and everything. And this is— yeah, this is, I mean, this is, there's just so much, they're in the dark all the time, or it's candlelit almost all the time.
• 31:27
  Like brown, black, and gold. Those are the colors.
• 31:30
  That's perfectly CGI, perfectly CGI moon.
• 31:34
  Oh God,
• 31:35
  Shining
• 31:35
  Down. I hate when you can see like the edge of actors against green screen, you know what I'm talking about? When I feel it's obvious that they're in front of a green screen.
• 31:48
  Yeah,
• 31:48
  that was this movie. There were some sets that they built, but it was always in front of a green screen. And unlike The Fall, there was— I don't think anything was shot on a location other than a soundstage. With some built sets.
• 32:01
  Yeah, this felt like— this felt a lot faker, you know? Yes, it did. It didn't have the genuine—
• 32:07
  like, Fall, he had like, what, 20 years to find locations and film it? Yeah, what he wanted to film. This, they probably
• 32:14
  were like, well, you think he had those locations in his back pocket?
• 32:17
  Yeah, after scouting out for 18 years looking for places,
• 32:21
  you probably hope you
• 32:21
  wouldn't know, making lists of things. Yeah.
• 32:23
  Oh hey, I got all these here for the fall. But you know what, we found some really cool dark caves. Let's, uh, line those up.
• 32:29
  You're not finding any dark cave if you need to be in a cave.
• 32:33
  For anything else that we have to do. I, I do like the part where they have, um, you know, when the people are praying there at the beginning, kind of part of that clip that we played early on, where they have a guy who's— his whole thing is he's like the light to walk through the labyrinth. And he's like, this is like— it's almost like the last bus. It's the last light of the night. like, otherwise you're gonna be stuck in here. Um, yeah, since, uh, you know, speaking about them being in caves a lot, I, I like some of the concepts in here. I think there's a lot of cool visuals in here, even with it being dark.
• 33:05
  The visuals are, are pretty good. I do. I just think that, yeah, the authenticity of it is like lacking, whereas in The Fall it was just so impressive seeing everything. But in this, it's like you could tell. Yeah, like the CGI is jarring. It's jarring. It doesn't— I feel like I got used to it as the movie went on, but it was— it definitely felt like more— it just was unnatural. a lot of times, whereas the other— which is kind of disappointing. Like, it still has that same, like, visual style. Like, you can tell it's the same guy, I feel like.
• 33:34
  Yeah, definitely makes me want to watch The Cell now. Yeah, and give a rewatch to that because I'm thinking maybe that's someplace in between the two.
• 33:42
  I remember not liking The Cell when I first saw it, and I haven't seen it since theaters.
• 33:46
  Yeah, either have I.
• 33:48
  But who knows?
• 33:49
  I have— I think I have it on DVD as well upstairs. I haven't watched— probably never watched the actual DVD I have of it.
• 33:53
  I will say there were really cool elements in this movie from a visual standpoint. I love the costume work in this movie.
• 34:03
  Yes. All the helmets were so cool.
• 34:06
  I love all those. The helmets were cool. The weird, like, like the guy's got like a candle hanging off his head in like the most inefficient manner.
• 34:17
  Yeah.
• 34:18
  The, the minotaur basically that he's created is just— it's like, what, like a barbed wire?
• 34:24
  The Minotaur was—
• 34:25
  big mask
• 34:26
  was dope. That was awesome. Very cool. But like, those pieces were awesome. Like, the, the micro, good. The macro was, like Terry said, inauthentic. And
• 34:39
  this seems very much, um, like he kind of was also influenced by— because this is the, I do believe, post-300.
• 34:46
  Mm-hmm.
• 34:48
  Yes,
• 34:48
  it's also from the producers of 300.
• 34:50
  Yeah, so there's definitely an influence there. Like, he was combining the, say, Fight Club and that other artist guy. It's almost more like, hey, we want you to do your thing, but can you do it in like the style of 300?
• 35:02
  Yeah, there was the slow motion fights and stuff in there. Yeah, it was like post-300 Zack Snyder effect,
• 35:11
  which I like that. I thought it looked cool, like especially at the end when the gods were fighting and it was like slow-mo. But then like they're moving at normal speed, but the bodies were flying and hitting in slow motion.
• 35:20
  Some very cool, um, death scenes during the— when the gods and Titans are fighting each other.
• 35:25
  Yeah. And they were exaggerated and I liked that. Like, you know, like kicking a body and it goes flying and explodes when it hits the wall, right?
• 35:32
  Yeah.
• 35:33
  That
• 35:33
  was cool. I dig that. That's cool. I could deal, I could deal with that. Like, uh, it's just like the fact that you could tell that there was a green screen behind the actors, right? Yeah, it was quite obvious. And that, that to me just took me out of the movie many times,
• 35:49
  especially when they're like on Olympus, you see all the gods, you're like, this is all
• 35:52
  fake. Oh God, yes.
• 35:53
  He's, uh, he's big into giving his like characters weird costumes when he can too.
• 36:00
  I love it.
• 36:01
  Yeah, I
• 36:02
  mean, I thought all the things that like a lot— all the main characters, uh, in the fall Like, they all— their outfits were so weird. But then, like, the— all the gods have the— just the oddest— like, Zeus is wearing just, like, normal stuff, but then, like, all the rest of them have, like, weird, like, headsets and stuff like that going on. And
• 36:21
  Hyperion's got a crab claw helmet.
• 36:23
  Uh, yeah, it's a weird crab claw bunny helmet.
• 36:26
  Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that was supposed to be. Like, I like that helmet, but in the gods, so I had no idea who was who on the gods.
• 36:35
  No, Athena was there, Poseidon was there, Zeus was there. But then besides that, it was just—
• 36:40
  Uh, Ares is the one he kills.
• 36:41
  Ares is the one he kills.
• 36:43
  Couldn't tell you. I had no idea. He had a cool helmet and I'm like, this helmet should mean something to me. I guess that should be the identifying factor. 'Cause Zeus, I'm sorry, Poseidon had a trident.
• 36:54
  Yeah. So I could tell who he was.
• 36:55
  Yeah.
• 36:56
  And Athena was a girl. That's all I knew.
• 36:58
  That was how I could tell. And the rest of them, they're just like shirtless buff men. So it's like—
• 37:01
  Dude, they were all, they were identical looking.
• 37:05
  Even like Zeus, I'm like, well, I could tell him because he doesn't have a helmet on, like, but that was it. Like, and I was even then, I'm still kind of guessing, like, is that Zeus? I don't really know. He doesn't look any older than anybody else. I know he's supposed to be immortal, but like, it's like, there's not— I wish each of the gods had their own thing going on. Like Poseidon has a trident, but like they all have the same power basically. They're all just moving in slow motion, killing things. Like I wish they had like specialties or something.
• 37:30
  Also, like Zeus is supposed to have like kind of like the, the power to like throw lightning and stuff like that. Yeah, usually is what I'm thinking. And never once is it used at all.
• 37:40
  Like Thor.
• 37:42
  Well, yeah, that's true. Like, I'm— but like, you know, it— I was expecting at some point in time, like when he climbs on top of that big like box thing that all the Titans were trapped in and how he's pulling the giant statues down, I thought maybe he was gonna like, you know, pull like a Thor move and like, you know, summon like a ton of lightning to come down and just like, you know, clear the table a little bit.
• 38:01
  Only Poseidon does water stuff. That's the only thing we see. Yeah.
• 38:04
  Yeah. But it was cool.
• 38:06
  That was pretty cool.
• 38:07
  That was cool except for it looked extremely fake.
• 38:11
  The CGI wasn't great, but it was kind of an epic moment.
• 38:15
  And if they were taking like an artistic direction with it and be like, okay, we know it doesn't look real, so let's make it look artsy.
• 38:24
  Yeah.
• 38:25
  That would have been something, but they tried to make it look real and it just, it didn't work, you know?
• 38:30
  Mm-hmm.
• 38:32
  And then I like how they're like, oh yeah, the, the, the water is full of oil because whatever.
• 38:37
  Yeah.
• 38:38
  And they just wanted to have a scene where, where a girl is washing oil off of herself in the shower is what they wanted.
• 38:44
  Yeah.
• 38:44
  There was no plot points with the oil water at all.
• 38:47
  None whatsoever.
• 38:49
  Why was there oil in there?
• 38:50
  Yeah. They could, they could have lit the oil on fire and it would have been awesome. It would have been burning on top of the water. Right. No, that didn't happen. They just wanted to wash it off of her.
• 39:01
  Yeah, that's a good point. Other than, yeah, I was like, why are they all covered in oil? I was like, oh yeah, didn't they mention something weird about the— yes, that's right. Okay. Yeah, that didn't really pay off, did it?
• 39:14
  No, it did not. And we— oh, I'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the midpoint of this movie. Oh, I thought I knew the midpoint. And then the scene after was like, this is the midpoint. Because it was— so I thought the midpoint was when he shot the arrows from the bow of whatever it was called.
• 39:33
  Oh, I thought maybe the midpoint was, uh, when the girl gave up her—
• 39:37
  That is the midpoint because I'm like, okay, this is the middle, but I'm like, that's a little bit early. And then when Theseus and the virgin Oracle— she was no longer the virgin Oracle. I paused it and there were 54 minutes left to go.
• 39:53
  Yeah, basically like her main thing I guess was like her main— of all the prophecies and stuff she knew also was like she just, she knew where this bow was at. As soon as it was found, she's like, look, I want to do other things in my life.
• 40:07
  I guess everything changed after that because they left.
• 40:09
  For her, I guess, but she doesn't really act any different after that either. So it's like— No, she did not. Yeah,
• 40:15
  and I couldn't tell if she stopped having visions or not. Because they kind of mentioned them.
• 40:20
  Yeah.
• 40:20
  Yeah, she really— the visions didn't really play a big part besides when Poseidon hid the thing. He said, don't react, basically. Yeah.
• 40:29
  But, and he's— and like, was it, uh, Theseus is like— I think even like at one point in time she says something else. Aren't you— aren't they ever wrong? And like, he just walks off.
• 40:41
  Like, yeah.
• 40:42
  Does he embrace Hyperion? Because that's one of her visions. You're gonna embrace, but they don't actually like hug each other.
• 40:47
  But at the end he goes, this is our final embrace.
• 40:49
  That doesn't count, I don't think. I don't know if that counts.
• 40:52
  No,
• 40:52
  it's our first and last embrace.
• 40:54
  No,
• 40:54
  it's not even an embrace. They're just— he's stabbing him in the face.
• 40:58
  Yeah, because that one guy, they're like, oh, here comes Hyperion's, uh, envoy, and we'll go down and negotiate with him. The guy's like, I just want to talk to Theseus. And you can tell the entire time it's Mickey Rourke's voice. He gets out there, he's like, come embrace me, and this type thing. And
• 41:14
  Murray refused it, but then when they fought at the end, he goes, uh, yeah, he told him, this is our final embrace.
• 41:20
  Well, yeah, you gotta have a cool catchline at the end though.
• 41:22
  Yeah, he had to say that because if he didn't, then the future would come true and he'd have to hug him at some point.
• 41:28
  So yeah. Yeah, I guess so.
• 41:29
  Better just— it's like, this counts, right? Right? He's like yelling at like the fates, like, this counts. I hugged him. It's embracing.
• 41:36
  Yep. My girlfriend was still right.
• 41:38
  Yeah, technically I embraced. Yeah, there was one part of this movie, I don't know if this is part of the mythology, but I was kind of annoyed by, and it didn't really make sense to me. It was like, um, so the gods don't want to interfere with the mortals for some reason, um, and Zeus explains it's because the people have faith in the gods, so we should have faith in the people. And I'm like, they have faith in you so you'll come help them. Like, that's what they want you to do. I would be so annoyed if that's how the, like, process worked, where it's like, oh, I prayed enough to the gods, so they're, they're cool with just letting me die, or do it, you know, the world ending because I prayed enough.
• 42:19
  I saw Orson didn't get one.
• 42:20
  Yeah, it's just like, I know that's maybe that's just a whole, like, divine thing, but perhaps he's like, lay it out like that, where his re— his reasoning is like, oh, well, they trust us, so we're just gonna trust them to handle it. And I'm like, no, that's not what they're doing. That's not what they're asking for.
• 42:35
  But it's also, you can't— he— his, his stipulation is you can't help, you can't interfere anything on their behalf as a god. But if you want to transform yourself into an old man,
• 42:46
  yeah,
• 42:46
  then you can just hang out and teach them stuff, then sure.
• 42:49
  Yeah. Zeus was known for transforming into a dude and just like bolding people.
• 42:54
  Yeah. Or a swan.
• 42:55
  Yeah. So that's the other thing I thought that, um, that maybe he was Theseus's father.
• 43:01
  That's what I thought too.
• 43:03
  It could very well be.
• 43:04
  It might be the case in the lore. That could be possible. I have no idea who Theseus's father is.
• 43:10
  Well, let's find out.
• 43:11
  I wish that instead of an old man, he was a talking swan, and then it was just like, here's our talking swan. Like, whatever this could be, you know.
• 43:18
  But Zeus was not Theseus's father.
• 43:23
  Really?
• 43:24
  His father was either King Aegeus or Athens or Poseidon. of Athens or Poseidon. So he was potentially a whatever demigod.
• 43:35
  Yeah.
• 43:37
  But who knows?
• 43:38
  Interesting. Interesting. Okay. That would have been interesting to kind of hint at that maybe. Um, they never do. I guess maybe it means more if he's just like the peasant guy, you know, but
• 43:50
  yeah.
• 43:50
  But, but I was like, you're saying like the, you know, they're praying for the gods to come help them. And in this type of world, like, the gods can actually come down and,
• 43:58
  yeah,
• 43:59
  and, you know, do an awesome, like, superhero landing.
• 44:02
  Yeah. And they could come save the day at any time. And they're— but Zeus is like, nah, nah, we should trust the humans to do it themselves. It's like, no, what?
• 44:10
  But again, if you want to show up and look human-like and influence them, sure. But don't show up and, like, do cool godly things.
• 44:17
  There just needs to be some, like, greater reason for them not interfering besides that. Like, I don't know, there's some, like, primordial force that, like, tears their life Force away, or I don't know. There needs to be something besides him just being like, "Eh." He's like Zeus just totally misunderstands the relationship. I feel like between the gods and the humans. Mm-hmm. I like the villain Hyperion was very evil, and I like that his like his weird. I don't know. He he didn't like believe in the gods, kind of, but he kind of did. He was like mocking them, I guess. But I guess he knows they're not supposed to interfere or something. He's very cocky about it. He's like, "Yeah, they're." they're not gonna come help you, blah blah blah blah. But, um, I liked his character and like he was just kind of a very cruel guy. Like when the, when the traitor shows up from the places he's trying to evade and he's like, well, why would I want you? You're a traitor too. I really like that, like his whole discussion with that guy and then like stuff that he makes that guy pay to be on his team. And
• 45:16
  so yeah, he gets the croquet
• 45:18
  mallet to the nuts. Yeah, that was brutal. That's not what I was expecting to happen.
• 45:22
  No,
• 45:24
  but yeah, he's a very—
• 45:25
  make you— oh, go ahead.
• 45:26
  Very scary character. I thought he was very intimidating.
• 45:30
  The only thing that bugged me about Hyperion is his accent went from like proper English to like New Jersey.
• 45:38
  Yeah,
• 45:38
  from time to time he gave up at
• 45:41
  some points for
• 45:42
  sure. Yeah, he totally did.
• 45:45
  Kind of like the New Jersey accent.
• 45:48
  I'm gonna take you on right
• 45:50
  now. I kind of like that. Yeah. Pure evil from New Jersey.
• 45:55
  We gotta go meet up with Tony Soprano.
• 45:58
  Hey, what are you doing out here? Give me some dabagool. Yeah, that was like— Mickey Rourke was kind of— was definitely an imposing character and intimidating, but his performance lacked some refinement at times for sure.
• 46:17
  Yeah.
• 46:18
  I did like the monk character. I liked how they, at one point, they had the motleyest of crews, like they did in The Fall, right? They had the mute monk who chopped out his own tongue. They had, uh, what's his name, Stephen Dorff. They had Superman. They had the Oracle virgin. And they were like on a mission to like whatever, like, and then they all got wiped out or half of them got wiped out or whatever. Yeah.
• 46:46
  They don't really all play roles besides Theseus. He's the only one who does anything.
• 46:50
  Yeah, Stephen Dorff serves no purpose whatsoever.
• 46:54
  No, he did not need to be in this movie at all. He could just have disappeared.
• 46:57
  That's like no difference. Stephen Dorff, I think, in most movies.
• 47:01
  Dang, shots fired.
• 47:03
  Wow, Stephen Dorff is going to send his lawyers after you, Keith.
• 47:08
  Yeah, just keep— yeah, lawyers, make sure you recognize me. Derek said nothing.
• 47:11
  Won't be the first time he did. Won't be the last.
• 47:13
  He's gunning for Stephen Dorff. He's gonna take him down. They got beef. That's you know.
• 47:20
  He knows what
• 47:22
  he did.
• 47:23
  So this movie, unfortunately, like Stephen Dorff, has many things that are unnecessary in it. Whoa, Derek!
• 47:32
  Careful! The lawyers might come for you next.
• 47:34
  Well, I'm just following Keith's lead, right?
• 47:36
  Okay.
• 47:37
  So there. This movie was, was kind of bloated and unnecessary in spots.
• 47:43
  Could be refined and made very good, but the way it is, it's not that. It's a, it is, it's missing. Yeah. It feels like there's not enough focus.
• 47:51
  Not enough focus. Just too much artificial. It just felt, and the things that were like real and you could tell that they're real were very cool. Like
• 48:02
  those
• 48:02
  abs, the labyrinth, the abs, the costumes. No, they weren't, they weren't painted on. You could tell.
• 48:08
  Yeah, when he first revealed himself, I was like, oh my God, he's shredding.
• 48:12
  What are those ants? Those are, those are those things.
• 48:14
  I was counting each pack.
• 48:15
  The tan is clearly painted on. Um, yeah, like, I don't know, but the, the caverns, like where the, the tombs were at, I thought that was a really cool scene. And when he fought the, the Minotaur in there, that was cool. And then he killed the Minotaur and they did this badass overhead shot It was like on this like cross-platform. It was very, very cool. It was a very, very cool scene.
• 48:40
  I agree. I, I had a complaint. Maybe this is just my TV too, or the DVD I was watching, but when it was like really dark, it was really hard to tell what was going on. Like when like the caves are just at nighttime, sometimes I was like, I'm really like squinting, be like, what, what's happening? Like,
• 48:56
  yeah,
• 48:57
  just sometimes I had a hard time telling what was happening.
• 49:01
  Yeah,
• 49:02
  but I, I agree. I think the, the real stuff, it looks great. Even some of the fake stuff looks okay. But like, yeah, just like that, it has that just that fakeness there. It's a shame. I feel like if I'd watched this first and then watched The Fall, I think it would— but knowing that
• 49:16
  what he can
• 49:16
  do,
• 49:17
  I wouldn't watch The Fall if I saw this first.
• 49:19
  Yeah, it'd be hard to convince me, maybe.
• 49:23
  Yeah,
• 49:25
  again, it seems like, you know, he had maybe he had a little bit more control over The Fall than he does with this one. This one being more of a studio movie, um, and more
• 49:38
  deadlines. I bet he did have to like just do stuff.
• 49:40
  Yeah, um, they were like, yeah, you don't have 5 years to go find different locations. We need to film. Like, we have a budget and a timeline.
• 49:49
  Yeah, we gotta beat this, the sequel to the the Clash of the Titans remake to the theaters.
• 49:57
  Mm-hmm. Or 301 or whatever the sequel to that was called.
• 50:00
  Yeah. Yeah. 301. I think it's what it was called.
• 50:05
  I hope that's what it's called.
• 50:09
  I think it was.
• 50:10
  Really?
• 50:11
  Yeah. It was called 301.
• 50:14
  I don't think so.
• 50:16
  Oh, you're right. It was 300: Rise of an Empire.
• 50:19
  Dang it.
• 50:21
  Yeah.
• 50:21
  It should have been 301: Rise of an Empire.
• 50:24
  It's a prequel to 300.
• 50:25
  Oh, 299 is what it should have been called.
• 50:30
  But depending on how much of a prequel, like 285
• 50:34
  maybe. It's like you're inaccurate by the year. They should have done like a franchise of just like years. 1985, is that technically a sequel to 300 directed by Zack Snyder?
• 50:46
  Oh my goodness. All right. Well, did we do it, boys? Did we get through— I almost said 300: Rise of an Empire, but that's not correct. No, did we get through Immortals?
• 50:58
  I think so.
• 50:59
  Yeah, I guess we did.
• 51:00
  Yeah, I think we did. Yeah, like, I feel if I talked about it more, it would just be more like, I was disappointed in this, I was disappointed in that.
• 51:09
  Yeah.
• 51:10
  All right, well, we got through Immortals from 2011. What'd you guys think?
• 51:13
  Well, so real quick here also though. Well, yeah, okay, so first of all, uh, what I thought was There's some good parts and then there's, there's some extra stuff. I mean, again, it's— I think we— I think I summed up— I think maybe best by saying I think this is like the studio giving their take, their notes on the movie, more than him having control over it.
• 51:34
  Mm-hmm.
• 51:35
  But there's— there is a lot of cool stuff in the movie though, a lot of cool visuals and all. It just doesn't always work, uh, together. And again, the CGI, uh, noticeable and stuff like that, but It's not awful, it's just not, not as cool visually as The Fall is.
• 51:52
  Yeah, I thought it was not bad. I thought it was okay, but it's one of those movies that's getting— it's very close to being middle of the road where I just like, you know, I don't care kind of. Um, I think there's slightly more good than bad, but I think that the— like, because I like the vibe, I still like the director's style even if it is a little more artificial in this movie with the visuals. But that's such a shame because I know what he's capable of with The Fall. Seeing this is like a very steep drop-off from that, even with you— even though there's still that through line, but you know, between the movies I can definitely tell it's by the same guy, which I was hoping. Um, but it's just not the way I'd hoped, I guess, as well. So I don't know, I, I think the costume designs and stuff like that's really cool, but I just— I think some of the story is okay, but It's just, it's kind of a bit of a cluttered mess at times as well. So I don't know, I don't know, it's a mixed bag for sure.
• 52:45
  I agree with both of you. I love things. I love the costumes, the practical set designs, like that bowl that they were using to roast people in.
• 52:57
  Oh
• 52:57
  God, vicious, absolutely vicious. And they, they had like that, like that megaphone horn to like—
• 53:03
  yeah, so people can hear it. Yeah,
• 53:05
  like Just such, so sadistic.
• 53:08
  Like, that's a real thing.
• 53:09
  Hyperion was sadistic. That Minotaur design was, was out of this world. Like, that was—
• 53:16
  It's a barbed wire, like, bull helmet that the guy had to walk around and go beat people up. And he called him, uh, send the beast.
• 53:24
  Yeah, they kept calling him the beast.
• 53:27
  And so there were things that were like The Fall, like the, the hyena snarling when, when the guys were fighting. They actually, there was a hyena in this, but it wasn't a real hyena, obviously.
• 53:36
  And it comes out of nowhere. There's no hyenas anywhere else. All of a sudden the guy shows up, he's like, he's got it. And the thing runs up and grabs the bow.
• 53:43
  Yeah, that thing was trained to get that bow. That was kind of random.
• 53:47
  Yeah. It almost feels like that was a note. Like when you were saying the studio, they heard the laughing and the snarling that sounded like a hyena, and they were like, where's the hyenas? I hear hyenas, but I don't see hyenas. People will expect hyenas if they hear hyenas, so they had to put a hyena in.
• 54:05
  I almost feel like that was the case.
• 54:08
  There's like one producer who's like, my favorite animal is hyena. It has to be a hyena in this movie.
• 54:12
  And the guy has that— the guy has that falcon.
• 54:15
  Yeah,
• 54:16
  flying around. Why not just have the falcon sweep down and grab the bow and fly off? I mean, the thing was gigantic.
• 54:21
  Yeah,
• 54:22
  so yeah, that was very random. I forgot that the hyena grabbed the bow and ran all the way to Hyperion until
• 54:27
  Keith just mentioned it too. So the things in this movie that hit, hit hard. I like— I like the things that hit. The things that missed Missed hard, hard, which brought it down. Like, I was— there was points where I'm like, this movie's really good. And I was like, oh, this movie's bad. And I'm like, oh, this movie's good. Like, it was just like up and down, like a roller coaster, especially. And then when you compare it in to the fall, which to me is just like hit after hit, I, I don't think there was anything that missed in the fall, to be honest. So this movie was a big letdown for me. I really wanted it to be good. But yeah, it is what it is.
• 55:03
  It's a movie that's at war with itself.
• 55:06
  It is. It was, it was like a war between the gods and the Titans.
• 55:10
  Yes.
• 55:11
  With personal direction and what it wanted to be.
• 55:15
  Mm-hmm.
• 55:16
  I will say all the things that I remembered from it, seeing it originally, are all the things that still stuck out to me the most and that I enjoyed the most this time through. So.
• 55:28
  Okay, that's good.
• 55:29
  Well, we know what we thought. What did the internet have to say? Well, ringing in the new year on January 1st, 2021.
• 55:40
  Wow.
• 55:41
  Joining JT had this to say: ignore the morons who do not understand movies. This is a visual epic masterpiece.
• 55:51
  Okay, okay.
• 55:54
  Why I'm so sick of morons who couldn't draw a stickman. Artists that make such visually stunning masterpieces like Immortals. Now I want to say this, visually is capitalized, Immortals is not. Oh yes. And the magnificent story and phenomenal cinematography combined with exceptional acting performances. I read people saying it's not accurate. It's a movie, you idiots. It's about mythology. Did you read that? It's based on myths. So it can be interpreted in many different ways. I agree with it. That's fine.
• 56:30
  I, I kind of love this guy now. It's movies, you idiots.
• 56:33
  We're making stuff up. Yeah, it sounds like me when I get mad at their 1-star reviews.
• 56:37
  Yeah, it's not a biopic. Come on.
• 56:40
  Theseus is based off a true story.
• 56:43
  Personally, I love this interpretation and phenomenal artistry. I will give it Give him right, right. The artistry, when it is on, it is, it is top-notch. Yes, the 15-minute fight scenes with the Titans and gods are some of it, some of, if not best I've ever seen. And the 3D Blu-ray was breathtaking.
• 57:04
  Oh, he watched in 3D.
• 57:06
  On Blu-ray on his TV. So ignore the jealous men who wish— this is really good. So ignore the jealous men who wish they could look And act like Henry Cavill, who, by the way, did a tremendous amount of work to make his character not only act realistic but look it as well! 3 exclamation points. Bravo to the whole cast and crew for making this flawless masterpiece!
• 57:35
  Wow. Hold on.
• 57:37
  1, 2, 3, 4, 12 exclamation points.
• 57:40
  Dang. Okay.
• 57:42
  Who found it helpful? One, not so much. 10 out of 10.
• 57:47
  I like, I like review calls everybody a bunch of morons who didn't like it.
• 57:51
  Listen up, idiot. This is good.
• 57:53
  It's a movie.
• 57:55
  It's not based on a true story. Finally, a real— the realistic male standard, Henry Cavill. His body was sculpted totally what they'd have looked like back then. That's 100% realistic.
• 58:10
  Well, not to be outdone, Bogdanai had this to say on December 3rd, 2011.
• 58:17
  Okay.
• 58:18
  So like shortly after the movie came out, like less than a month, saw it in theaters. Lame is the word. So unlike the last one that used a lot of capitalization, this one uses no capitalization. Pure anatomy, guts and throats wide open when they are not screaming in pain. Fear or fury, they are surely having sex. They had one time. They had sex one time. There's not
• 58:43
  that much sex in this movie,
• 58:44
  and it's very brief and from a distance. But you do get to see a little booty.
• 58:49
  There is some booty.
• 58:52
  Most lines are composed of unarticulated sounds. Unnecessary violence, parentheses, both physical and psychological, end parentheses, is the credo of this movie.
• 59:06
  It's so much unnecessary psychological violence. Wow.
• 59:09
  And I love this person as well.
• 59:11
  I like this.
• 59:11
  During the first 10 minutes, I've seen a cut tongue, a castrated monk, multiple killings. That is not the first 10 minutes.
• 59:19
  No, I wish it was.
• 59:22
  So now this sentence is tough. Rape was kept for later delight, as was killing of a close relative just for the pleasure of the warrior viewers.
• 59:32
  Yeah. Yeah. Or your viewers.
• 59:36
  Yeah.
• 59:37
  Wow. This is, this is a very critical review where they're conjuring up, uh, conjuring up things to be mad about.
• 59:46
  Like,
• 59:46
  in a word, dark barbarian ages. That's 3 words. So you missed on that.
• 59:52
  Barbaric was probably the word they're thinking of. Yeah.
• 59:55
  Yes. I also found the costumes quite stupid.
• 59:59
  Boo.
• 1:00:00
  Boo indeed. All the characters wear funny hats.
• 1:00:04
  Okay, look, I will— okay, I am in agreement with this. The gods had the silliest costumes.
• 1:00:10
  But they're great. The hats are awesome.
• 1:00:12
  If it was just the gods, fine, but everybody had bombastic costumes and that's what made it awesome. Parentheses, embarrassing, I'd say. End parentheses.
• 1:00:25
  Hey, I would. I wish I had a hat like that I could wear every day.
• 1:00:29
  If I could have that Aries hat, I would wear it on a daily basis.
• 1:00:32
  Yeah, if I had the crown claw hat, I would go to work in that. That'd be awesome.
• 1:00:38
  No god will ever come to your aid, oh lame producer who helped create this abomination. Dot dot dot. Four found it helpful too. Not so much. What? Very good.
• 1:00:51
  Dick, I don't know if it's just—
• 1:00:53
  this is awesome—
• 1:00:54
  you're in a mood today with little frustrations leading up to starting the recording off, but man, those are the 2 best reviews that you have ever given us.
• 1:01:02
  Those are great reviews. Uh, this person that hated this movie hates all violence in any film.
• 1:01:08
  Yes, this person like generated things to be upset about.
• 1:01:13
  Why would you go see this movie if you hate violence in film?
• 1:01:16
  And I saw it in theaters because it's December 3rd, 2011.
• 1:01:20
  Surely by looking even at the poster— I don't even know what the poster looks like, but I guarantee he's probably got like a sword or something. I bet you this movie's gonna be a little bit violent.
• 1:01:28
  Yeah, I think it's Henry Cavill with a sword.
• 1:01:30
  It's rated R. Yeah, the gore was clearly CGI gore. There was nothing realistic about it. But the fact that they committed to the CGI gore— bodies bouncing off of walls and blood spraying all over the place, heads exploding.
• 1:01:45
  Yeah, it was awesome.
• 1:01:46
  Yeah. Oh, so many heads were just like removed from bodies in this movie, and it was done in such a cartoonish, over-the-top way that I dug it. That's cool. Yeah. Oh well. Oh well. I'm sorry, Bogdanai, you missed— you, you missed the boat on this one, I guess. I mean,
• 1:02:04
  well, still great review.
• 1:02:05
  Yeah, I did enjoy the passion. I could tell they really hated it.
• 1:02:10
  So lame is the word.
• 1:02:11
  I love It just got worse. Yeah, imagining the audience is a bunch of bloodthirsty barbarians watching this.
• 1:02:18
  Like, so, you know, in that scene at the end where, uh, Theseus is up there giving his, uh, rah-rah, it's the 4th quarter, we need to score a touchdown to win pep talk. Yeah. And they're all smashing their shields. That's why I imagined the entire audience was that, like, in Immortals. They were all like, they all had their, like, uh, cups and they were smashing them in their cup holders.
• 1:02:38
  During the one sex scene.
• 1:02:40
  They dumped out their popcorn tubs and they were beating on the bottoms of them.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah, it was a nice, uh, version of the slow clap that they put into the movie with that.
• 1:02:48
  Oh yeah, go out there and win! We can do it! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  I'd love it. Yeah, just cheer on the main characters of film just with my popcorn bucket just pounding.
• 1:03:02
  Just go with popcorn buckets and just beat the bottoms of them. Why not?
• 1:03:06
  Oh, there's a good segue there.
• 1:03:08
  I was teeing you up, Keith.
• 1:03:10
  Yeah, so I messaged you guys and said, I think what would be kind of like a fun thing to do is in these movies we watch, the whole big popcorn bucket craze that's out there now is kind of insane. There's so many crazy things. I think like at Comic-Con this year, AMC set up a booth that just was selling their buckets.
• 1:03:30
  Yep.
• 1:03:31
  Every theater seems to have their own a different one. And I think this is kind of a good movie to start because I think there's a couple like really clear options. But like, if Immortals was released now,
• 1:03:41
  what would be
• 1:03:41
  the popcorn
• 1:03:42
  bucket?
• 1:03:43
  Yeah, what do we think the popcorn bucket would look like?
• 1:03:45
  What are some examples of popcorn buckets? Because I have a few here. I have a beaver from The Naked Gun that was sent to— sent to me by yours truly, Keith. Uh, and then I also have some— I have 2 Superman buckets.
• 1:03:58
  I've— I have the Jaws shark.
• 1:04:00
  Jaws shark, nice.
• 1:04:02
  And I have, um, the Gladiator helmet from Gladiator 2.
• 1:04:06
  Nice. And Perry, are you a bucket collector?
• 1:04:11
  I don't really collect buckets, unfortunately.
• 1:04:13
  Me neither, but, but for Superman, I couldn't help myself, so— because that's just who I am.
• 1:04:19
  The Jaws ones, there's like— there's a drink cup that I have that's like one of the yellow, uh, things that the— like, the things that they're trying to keep him— like, so the shark's, uh, up out of water. And I got those mostly just because of the Jaws 50th anniversary type thing. And the beaver was just too funny.
• 1:04:39
  Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  Uh, so I'm not— I don't go out like trying to find out, but they have tons of these. And each one, like, uh, new black phone, uh, or black— is that what the black phone— they they got a, actually like a phone or somebody else has got the mask. And, and some are kind of cool looking.
• 1:04:57
  The most famous one I think is the sandworm from Doom. That Doom, a very like a, you
• 1:05:04
  could, uh,
• 1:05:04
  hey, I could have sex with this if I wanted to.
• 1:05:07
  If you wanted to.
• 1:05:08
  I think Deadpool Wolverine like made fun of by making like the Wolverine one look like it just had its mouth open.
• 1:05:14
  You could have sex with it if you wanted to. Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:17
  So you have your options: Wolverine or the Sandworm, whatever you'd prefer.
• 1:05:20
  Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Okay, so that's this new segment. What would
• 1:05:25
  you rather have sex with this week, the Sandworm or Wolverine? Yes. This week I'm feeling Sandworm.
• 1:05:33
  I don't know. Oh, is that how is that how we rate the movies? Like between Sandworm and Wolverine?
• 1:05:40
  Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  So I think, I think the, uh, I think Hyperion's helmet.
• 1:05:47
  I think that's the most obvious of choices.
• 1:05:49
  Crab claw. That's good.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, crab claw face and head. Yeah,
• 1:05:54
  with the mouth open. Hyperion's mouth is open.
• 1:05:56
  Yes.
• 1:05:57
  My only secondary thought was, um, and again, because I think like every stu— or every like theater chain seems to have their own separate version of them, is that whatever the box the Titans are in
• 1:06:09
  Yeah, the Titan Cube
• 1:06:10
  was my
• 1:06:11
  choice.
• 1:06:11
  That's good, that's good. Um, I'd probably make like, I don't know, like, uh, well, you know what, just to celebrate Henry Cavill, his 8-pack. It's just like missing his head and it's just like popcorn bucket into his torso.
• 1:06:27
  I, I agree, that's a good one. I also think that if we take the midpoint and we, we do that where they, they show Henry Cavill on top of the, uh, The, the virgin Oracle and be like, you just gotta reach into his butt to get popcorn.
• 1:06:44
  I guess that's how you put the popcorn in Henry Cavill's butt.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, well, I mean, Henry Cavill on top of the Oracle, on top of that like stone slab, that's the whole bucket. But you have to reach into his butt to get the popcorn.
• 1:06:58
  Okay, I— sure, I like that idea.
• 1:07:03
  I'd buy one.
• 1:07:04
  I'd buy— I'd definitely buy one of those. Yeah, that's, it's like intricate. Like, I feel like, yeah, you really have to start digging and shaking that thing around.
• 1:07:11
  Craftsmanship.
• 1:07:13
  It's the most ambitious popcorn bucket yet.
• 1:07:17
  But then we— then you have to be like, would you rather have sex with the dude worm, Wolverine, or Henry Cavill?
• 1:07:23
  Henry Cavill having sex with the Oracle on a stone slab.
• 1:07:29
  Okay, this is a great segment. I love it.
• 1:07:31
  I feel like saying—
• 1:07:32
  I mean, I, I think there's a handful of movies that would have— that we've covered so far this year that would have been awesome.
• 1:07:37
  Oh, I think every movie should have its own popcorn bucket.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah, I think, I think that could be, uh, some fun that we continue into the new year.
• 1:07:43
  I think AMC needs to retroactively make a popcorn bucket for every movie. Just start working on it. Yeah,
• 1:07:51
  I agree. More popcorn buckets, the better.
• 1:07:55
  Making them all out of plastic. Um, and,
• 1:07:58
  uh,
• 1:07:58
  You know, just making sure it lasts forever.
• 1:08:01
  This highly disposable landfill crap that you spend $40 on for no reason other than to buy it at that moment, and it's not like you're gonna do anything with it ever again. I got them just sitting around collecting dust.
• 1:08:11
  I will, I will say anyone that I've bought so far, I've gotten very good deals on. So I—
• 1:08:16
  But I think it's like, yeah, I used to— lots of use out of it.
• 1:08:19
  And then you get one for free, or you like grab the 2 on it.
• 1:08:22
  I, I was handed, I was handed 2 of the, uh, Jurassic footprint things. I forgot about that one. That's upstairs. My, my son has the one for his room, and then the other one I still gotta sell.
• 1:08:31
  So when you eat popcorn at home, do you do that? Do you use them?
• 1:08:35
  No, I don't use them for popcorn
• 1:08:38
  at home.
• 1:08:39
  No,
• 1:08:39
  no, no,
• 1:08:40
  no.
• 1:08:40
  I saw
• 1:08:41
  somebody online made a cool charcuterie board out of the Jurassic one.
• 1:08:45
  Oh, there you go. I got a beaver staring at me right now. All right.
• 1:08:51
  Just had stuff.
• 1:08:53
  Thanks. It's just been stuffed.
• 1:08:56
  I gotta say that one, that one made me laugh so much that, that,
• 1:08:59
  yeah,
• 1:09:00
  I could not help but get that one.
• 1:09:01
  It's a good bucket. I appreciate it. All right. So now we are at the end of month 12.
• 1:09:08
  Yeah.
• 1:09:08
  Now we have done 48 freaking episodes, boys.
• 1:09:11
  That's pretty good.
• 1:09:12
  We're on a roll.
• 1:09:13
  Oh yeah. We're doing great.
• 1:09:15
  So as we do at the end of every month, Keith breaks out his, uh, his note-taking abilities, his ranking skills. He's got spreadsheets galore. I picture him, it's like, uh, it's a— what's the movie with Tom Cruise? He's predicting crimes. It's a lot like that. He's got like a bunch of virtual screens, Minority Report style. He's like using virtual reality gloves to like move around our picks. So we had to rank our movies from this month and we watched— oh, Keith, remind us of what we watched.
• 1:09:43
  Uh, we watched, uh, The Fall.
• 1:09:46
  Yes.
• 1:09:47
  We watched Sneakers.
• 1:09:49
  Yes.
• 1:09:50
  We watched, um, Terry's pick,
• 1:09:53
  King of Comedy.
• 1:09:54
  King of Comedy.
• 1:09:56
  Sorry. And, uh, we watched, uh, The Immortals.
• 1:09:59
  Hey, Mortals.
• 1:10:00
  So, uh, a Terry Wheel pick.
• 1:10:03
  No, it's a
• 1:10:04
  Derek Wheel pick. Sorry,
• 1:10:05
  it's a Derek Wheel pick. That's right, Derek's back on the board.
• 1:10:07
  We could add that to my pick though. I like to put my point Up there. Well,
• 1:10:11
  because yours have— your wheel picks have been disappointing. You're right. So we could—
• 1:10:14
  How dare you, sir? How dare you? My wheel picks are great, as we'll see later, I'm sure.
• 1:10:22
  Just selling my wheel picks, uh, agenda. All right, we gotta rank. I got my ranks ready, so if you're ready, Keith, I'll let— I'll fire away.
• 1:10:31
  Fire away, Derek.
• 1:10:32
  It goes The Fall, it goes The King of Comedy, and those are like Those are like— I don't know if we've had a month where we've had 2 of the best movies we watched so far in this 48 weeks, but we've had 2 of the best movies we watched in the 48 weeks. So there's those. And then we had Sneakers, and then we had Immortals.
• 1:10:50
  I think I'm, I'm gonna go close to that, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna flip-flop, uh, King of Comedy and The Fall.
• 1:10:56
  Fair.
• 1:10:57
  I, I really enjoyed King of Comedy.
• 1:11:00
  And yeah, it was great.
• 1:11:01
  Out of the movies we watched this, uh, this past month, that's the the main one so far that I've been like, wow, I hadn't seen that before.
• 1:11:08
  For me, yeah, like Derek said, 2 of the best movies we watched. If we were talking about like perfect movies, these would be 2 that I would maybe consider perfect. The Fall is not gonna be my first pick though. I'm gonna go— I'm gonna go King of Comedy. Like I said, these are 2 very close ones, but I'm gonna go King of Comedy's top, closely, very closely followed by The Fall. The Fall is really good. I would highly recommend. I think I don't know, because I feel like the— I knew I've heard of King of Comedy, but The Fall was such a sleeper hit surprise. That's like, that one kind of sticks with me just because like, wow, I can't believe I'd never heard of that before.
• 1:11:40
  And I wonder if I've chose The Fall because I'd had— I had seen King of Comedy before, so The Fall was like new and fresh and like invigorating.
• 1:11:48
  Maybe, maybe. Yeah. Um, but then I'm, I'm actually gonna go Immortals next and then Sneakers.
• 1:11:53
  Wow. Okay.
• 1:11:55
  I enjoyed Immortals more so than I didn't enjoy it, I guess, if that makes sense. I thought that it had flaws, but it was still an interesting movie. Sneakers, I feel like, just really fell off hard for me at the end.
• 1:12:10
  It really got corny at the end.
• 1:12:12
  Sneakers fell apart once we talked about it.
• 1:12:15
  That too. The more I talked about it, the more I disliked it.
• 1:12:18
  It does seem to happen quite a bit when we—
• 1:12:20
  It happens, sure. Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  I will say, I, you know, like Um, you know, The Fallen and King of Comedy, both very good. I, I still think that our— the foodie one with Big Night and Tampopo and, uh, eating, uh, eating Raul. Yeah. Might be our best, like, 3 for 3. I mean, that was punctuated by, like, the worst wheel pick ever, but, like, that might be the most solid month we've had.
• 1:12:51
  We've had some solid months. I agree. And we'll probably recap that in like a special episode after we get through month 13.
• 1:12:58
  Sounds like, sounds like something we might do. Oh yeah, the bonus to the Fumblers, we give you 13 months, not 12, people.
• 1:13:03
  Because we got 48. We got 48 weeks, right? We did 4— 12 months. We each got through 3 or 4 times. We each did 4, uh, themes, 3 movies and a thing, right? So we did all that. We got 48. That's right, right?
• 1:13:18
  Yep, yep.
• 1:13:19
  Whatever, it works. That means we have an extra month. If you're a Simpsons fan, it's Smarch. If you're a something else fan, I don't know what it is, but we have an extra month. We got an extra 4 weeks to make out 52. So what we have here is we're doing an oops all crunchberries sort of episode. It's oops all Wildcards. All the non-winning wildcards are on a wheel and we're gonna spin them and we're gonna watch whatever 4 come up. And we have an interesting situation where you could get stuck watching the same movie twice.
• 1:13:59
  So, so there's, so there's, uh, what, 24 total movies then?
• 1:14:04
  24 total selections. I'm gonna go through them right now. Are you guys ready?
• 1:14:08
  Yes.
• 1:14:09
  I have almost—
• 1:14:10
  from month 1, from month 1, we have They Shoot Horses, Don't They? And The Last Dragon is a Keith pick. Month 2, Dracula's Dog is a Terry pick.
• 1:14:24
  Okay, hold on, my picks maybe weren't that good.
• 1:14:28
  Tommy is a Keith pick. Keith has got some good picks. Month 3, The Swarm is a Terry pick.
• 1:14:38
  Wow, I feel like I'm getting exposed on air.
• 1:14:40
  Flashdance is a Keith pick. The next month was month 4. Hot Rod is a Keith pick.
• 1:14:50
  Oh,
• 1:14:51
  either pick is a Terry pick.
• 1:14:52
  Oh no.
• 1:14:54
  Oh no is right. Next month, this is a good month right here because we have Her, which is a me pick, and then Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, which is Keith pick. And the next month is A Lobin's Run, which is a me pick, and Time Bandits, which is a Keith pick. And the next month is Chopping Mall, which is a me pick, and Time Bandits, which is a Keith pick.
• 1:15:18
  Oh God.
• 1:15:19
  Time Bandits is on there twice.
• 1:15:21
  If we watch Time Bandits 3 times in a row, I'm gonna be annoyed.
• 1:15:24
  We might get stuck with 2 Time Bandits. And then the next month was the Tubi Originals month, and we have The Fast and the Fierce, which is a me pick. And then I got my fingers crossed for this, Superman, which is a Keith pick. And then we have the next month, which is Romancing the Stone, which is a me pick. And then this is the first Keith winner because when we have Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah, giant monsters all out of tech, there's just a Terry pick.
• 1:15:53
  Fingers crossed for that one.
• 1:15:55
  Then next month we have Sniper, which is a Terry pick, and Major Payne, which is a Keith pick.
• 1:16:00
  It's available right now on, uh, Yeah, yours is
• 1:16:04
  a lot.
• 1:16:05
  I know. And then the next one we have Sky High, not the Disney one, which is a Derek pick. And then Talk to Me, which is a Terry pick, which I hope to God that comes up because I just recently watched it and I loved it. It was so good. And then, then finally from last month we have Butch— or this month we have Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, which is a Keith pick, and After Hours, which is a Terry pick. So we have those 24 movies.
• 1:16:33
  I feel like I was really exposed. Listen, the first few picks I did, I feel like were kind of meme picks. I'm kind of trying to be a little bit of an instigator, but also because maybe because, you know, I knew Derek was winning 20 tries in a row, 20 wheels he won. So I was just picking anything I knew would never show up.
• 1:16:50
  And, you know, we were like feeling ourselves out. We were like learning what we were doing.
• 1:16:55
  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:56
  Question, are we, are we Spinning it for just the first week right now? We'll, we'll re— we'll do this again next week, or are we doing all of them right away?
• 1:17:05
  All 4 weeks.
• 1:17:06
  We're doing them all right away?
• 1:17:08
  Yeah. So no, we're spinning one and then we're watching it, and then next week we'll spin another one. So when— whatever one gets— gets picked this week, um, it gets removed from the wheel.
• 1:17:19
  Okay.
• 1:17:19
  Unless it's Time Bandits.
• 1:17:21
  So that— unless it's Time Bandits, then there'll be— there'll still be one more Time Bandits on there, right?
• 1:17:25
  We have to watch Time Bandits twice, I'm gonna be shocked.
• 1:17:28
  God, I will be doing the best thing.
• 1:17:29
  It's got a, it's got a 1 in 12 chance of getting pulled twice. All
• 1:17:34
  right, are you
• 1:17:35
  guys ready? I had them all here. I didn't double up any. There's no free spin. There's no spin agains. It's just 24 movies on the Wheel of Death.
• 1:17:43
  Let's put one spin again in there.
• 1:17:45
  Nope, no spin agains. Just 24 movies. Are you guys ready?
• 1:17:50
  I'm ready. I'm excited.
• 1:17:52
  All right, what kind of, what kind of, uh, overall odds are we gonna give that None of the ones that get picked. It's all Derek. Yeah, it's gonna be all Derek. It's all you and Derek. And
• 1:18:00
  I, if it's all me, then, then we will put— we'll open an investigation with Congress.
• 1:18:05
  I mean, I, I have, I have basically 50% of this wheel basically is me. So it's—
• 1:18:12
  I think there might be some fraud going on here. But you
• 1:18:15
  know, I got a feeling I'm not getting any of them.
• 1:18:16
  We got 24 movies. Are you ready? And I even put I even put the our names next to them so we know who it is.
• 1:18:23
  Know who to blame if something bad pops up. Yes, Terry. Yeah, I'm apologizing in advance.
• 1:18:29
  There's a few that I'm really hoping for.
• 1:18:31
  Me
• 1:18:31
  too. I don't want to spoil it, but there's a few that I'm just like, I hope this gets pulled. So here we go. Oh.
• 1:18:46
  Oh, so close.
• 1:18:47
  Oh, look at that.
• 1:18:49
  That is a Derek pick.
• 1:18:51
  Wow.
• 1:18:51
  It's Romancing the Stone. It was so close to Superman, everybody, but we got Romancing the Stone next week.
• 1:18:58
  This wheel is just—
• 1:19:00
  it was almost like it was between your pick and then the pick Keith did that you wanted the most.
• 1:19:05
  Yes.
• 1:19:06
  Yeah, it's— it was the wheel. The wheel's taunting me at this point.
• 1:19:09
  All right, well, we did it. We got through another month. We're almost through a whole year. Which is insane.
• 1:19:15
  That's hard to believe. That's hard to believe.
• 1:19:17
  It is hard to believe. Time is flying. The holidays are upon us, and we are watching Romancing the Stone, which if we could do a callback to a previous episode with Scroopa, it's the R in Scroopa for romancing the bone. It's the porn version of that.
• 1:19:36
  Oh man.
• 1:19:38
  All right. Well, I guess that leaves us with nothing to do. Other than— and this is the way we end everything.
• 1:19:47
  Yes, with style.
• 1:19:49
  Hey, Rudy.
• 1:19:54
  Hey.
• 1:19:54
  Are you gonna be around after school?
• 1:19:57
  Definitely.
• 1:19:58
  Cool, me too.
• 1:20:00
  Gabby is so cute. Seriously, bro. I know. Look, can I tell you guys something? Yeah, of course. So my parents are going out of town tonight, which means I'm gonna have the house to myself.
• 1:20:16
  Wait, does that mean—
• 1:20:18
  I think it's gonna happen tonight. For real. I've been ready for this moment for a long, long time, and it's happening tonight. Been waiting for someone special, and now that I found it, it finally feels so right. Come on. 'Cause I'm a gentle teenage boy with an innocent heart, but you found a way to touch it. Touch it. And now that my parents are gone, I'm gonna lose my virginity to the Dune popcorn bucket. Playing my heartstrings just like a fiddle. Oh no. And I'm not scared of the teeth in the middle.
• 1:21:40
  Thanks for listening to Fumbling Through Film. New episodes drop every Thursday. Got feedback or questions? Email us at fumblingthroughfilm@gmail.com. Follow us on Blue Sky at Film Fumblers and on Instagram Instagram @film.fumblers. You can also follow Keith on Instagram @kg33lives and @dadscardsdaily. Terry's on Letterboxd @terry2099, and Derek's on social media
• 1:22:03
  @derek9. All original music is produced by the Dr. Dre of Kansas, Terry. Hit him up for the bangers. See you next week as we keep on fumbling.