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The Pope, AI, and the Discipline of Boredom · Gospel Tech with Nathan Sutherland

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Speaker 1: Purposely your life, God's Purpose. Listen it purposely dot com.
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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the Gospel Tech Podcast. My
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Speaker 2: name is Nathan Sutherland and this podcast is dedicated to
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Speaker 2: helping families love God and use tech. Today we are
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Speaker 2: talking about the Pope and AI and the spiritual discipline
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Speaker 2: of boredom. First, let's jumping on the Pope. The Pope
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Speaker 2: released this last week his Magnifica Humanitas. This is from
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Speaker 2: Pope Leo the fourteenth and it's on safeguarding the human
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Speaker 2: person in the time of artificial intelligence. It's huge, it's
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty pages, it's forty three thousand words,
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Speaker 2: but it's solid. It's a very very well thought out
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Speaker 2: look at what does it mean to be human, excuse
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Speaker 2: me human in light of Christ and what should that
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Speaker 2: mean for humanity? And what we know so far about AI.
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Speaker 2: This isn't just like the Pope sitting down and like
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Speaker 2: thinking his own thoughts. He doesn't just go in a
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Speaker 2: dark room and pray and just scratch down on a
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Speaker 2: tablet whatever you know, the Lord gives him. This is
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Speaker 2: a lot of extremely smart people doing a lot of
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Speaker 2: work with a lot of the top tier intellects. In
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Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, including one of the co founders of Anthropic
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Speaker 2: who isn't Catholic or Christian, just you know, is a
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Speaker 2: guy who's really good at technology, knows a lot about it.
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Speaker 2: So very well informed, very well put together, very smart
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Speaker 2: people put this all in place, and it is really
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Speaker 2: well done. I'm going to read specifically section one twenty nine,
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Speaker 2: and he says this Christian humanism does not reject science
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Speaker 2: or technology, but embraces them with gratitude and realism and
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Speaker 2: grounds them within a higher vocation. The creative intelligence of
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Speaker 2: humanity is a gift that can alleviate suffering and open
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Speaker 2: up new possibilities, but it must remain ordered toward the
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Speaker 2: common good, justice, and the care of the vulnerable creation.
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Speaker 2: In this sense, the true alternative is not between enthusiasm
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Speaker 2: being pro tech and fear anti tech, but between two
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Speaker 2: paths of development, a progress that serves individuals and peoples
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Speaker 2: or a progress that subjects them to the mentality of power.
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Speaker 2: And I love that concept, basically pointing out that like
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Speaker 2: we can either have technology that allows all humans to
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Speaker 2: express what God has given them, the likeness of God
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Speaker 2: and the call to identity in Christ, like that can
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Speaker 2: either bring freedom to all people, or we can begin
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Speaker 2: to subjugate people because we get this differentiation of power.
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Speaker 2: Now I have information and you don't. Now I have
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Speaker 2: the ability to leverage this information and you don't. Now
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Speaker 2: I have the economic boon that comes with this information
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Speaker 2: and you don't. And again, just written on its own,
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Speaker 2: this sentence or this section could go a lot of
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Speaker 2: ways without any context or basis or really really smart
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Speaker 2: people backing this up, without the Gospel driving this, this
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Speaker 2: just becomes secular humanism. This becomes the idea that like, well,
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Speaker 2: humans have to build themselves, and therefore technology should all
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Speaker 2: be shareware and you know whatever, CEOs never should have
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Speaker 2: made what was public now a private company where they
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Speaker 2: can profit from it. Like there are arguments to be
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Speaker 2: made about these things, but that's not the argument here.
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Speaker 2: The argument, remember, is under Christian humanism, this idea that
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Speaker 2: humans don't give themselves their own identity or value, but
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Speaker 2: we get it from God because we're made in the
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Speaker 2: image of God. That God determines the value of every
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Speaker 2: single human because they're human, and that Christ died for
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Speaker 2: humans so that by faith we might know God and
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Speaker 2: be made new then called to the good works, that
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Speaker 2: he's called us to do, like, that's Christian humanism, and
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Speaker 2: within that technology should then serve that purpose, not distract
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Speaker 2: from it, and not alter it to a different point,
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Speaker 2: but like a similar look like, well, as long as
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Speaker 2: Christians are the ones doing it, then it's okay. And
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Speaker 2: he's very specifically being like, no, no, there's two paths here,
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Speaker 2: one of developing and one of digressing. Really, so if
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Speaker 2: you want a summary of it, I'll include another link.
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Speaker 2: So there's like the whole talk. If you want to
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Speaker 2: read alle hundred and fifty pages, please do. Then there's
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Speaker 2: a great summary where they like walk through kind of
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Speaker 2: the main chunks and give you a paragraph on each,
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Speaker 2: very solid as well, and just the two cities piece, like,
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Speaker 2: let's recall the historical context of this. Augustine wrote a
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Speaker 2: book called the City of God. It was inspired by
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Speaker 2: the sacking of Rome and four to ten AD when
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Speaker 2: the people of Rome were like, you know why this happened,
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Speaker 2: It's because we became Christian, Like that's why we left
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Speaker 2: our old gods and we got sacked because we're being judged,
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Speaker 2: and so really our main problem was Christians. And Augustine
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Speaker 2: not only defends that that's not what happened at all,
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Speaker 2: but also dismantles polytheism and among other things, like the
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Speaker 2: book is wild, but you don't have to read all
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Speaker 2: of the City of God. What I'm trying to say
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Speaker 2: is this call of the Two Cities is the call
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Speaker 2: that we've been given since the Garden of Like, trust
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Speaker 2: God with all of your efforts and your creativity, and
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Speaker 2: like do what he calls you to do. And we
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Speaker 2: repeatedly since Adam have been like, yeah, but like what
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Speaker 2: if I just want my own kingdom for a little bit,
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Speaker 2: and like God can kind of support me, and it
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Speaker 2: never endswell and we keep doing it. And this magnifica
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Speaker 2: humanitos is a great reminder that, like they, I could
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Speaker 2: be one more weight. We're just trying to see our
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Speaker 2: kingdom comeing or will be done. But as Christians, we
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Speaker 2: have a higher calling, So do check it out with
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Speaker 2: the City of God is an eternal kingdom that's run
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Speaker 2: by God and sustained by him. It's not based on
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Speaker 2: our effort, it's not based on our goodness, it's not
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Speaker 2: based on anything other than His grace and mercy. He
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Speaker 2: calls all who will put their faith in Him to
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Speaker 2: that saving faith as we're reminded at the end of
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Speaker 2: Acts two when Peter gives his beautiful first Gospel presentation
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Speaker 2: and then they go what should we do. He's like,
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Speaker 2: you should repent and put your faith in him because
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Speaker 2: he's going to save all who call on the name
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Speaker 2: of the Lord. And by the way, Peter isn't making
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Speaker 2: those words up. He's both inspired by the Holy Spirit
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Speaker 2: but remembering the promises of God from Joel, where the
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Speaker 2: Holy Spirit will arrive and all who call in the
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Speaker 2: name of the Lord will be saved. The children of
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Speaker 2: God will become all who put their faith in His
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Speaker 2: son Jesus. So that's a good reminder and also should
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Speaker 2: inspire how we use our tech, which brings us to boredom.
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Speaker 2: It's not a smooth transition, but one of the things
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Speaker 2: technology does is fight boredom. And I just I came
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Speaker 2: across this and it was such a beautiful reminder. We
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Speaker 2: did this the Summer slip reminders last week we talked
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Speaker 2: about bingo as a way to like keep ourselves focused
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Speaker 2: on retaining the information we have, and then I came
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Speaker 2: across this article. It comes from Harvard professor Arthur C. Brooks.
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Speaker 2: He starts off out of the gates with you need boredom,
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Speaker 2: you will have less meaning and be more depressed if
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Speaker 2: you were never born. And I was like, that's an
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Speaker 2: article that I should reference. It's a great quote. We
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Speaker 2: need to be bored, we will have less meaning and
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Speaker 2: we will be more depressed if we are not bored.
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Speaker 2: He walks through a little bit of that. This actual
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Speaker 2: article doesn't dive into much of the research, but he
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Speaker 2: does reference Peer's work, and I want to reference this too.
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Speaker 2: You've probably heard of this. Dan Gilbert, also a Harvard
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Speaker 2: psychology professor, did an awesome research piece a number of
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Speaker 2: years ago where he puts people in a empty room
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Speaker 2: so there's nothing to do. They're told to sit there
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Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes and just exist, except they're given a button.
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Speaker 2: And this button they can push whenever they want, as
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Speaker 2: many times as they want, and they will be given
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Speaker 2: it painful electric shock. So to put this in context,
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Speaker 2: this would be like if you had a TENS unit
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Speaker 2: for your muscles, those little electrical stimulation units for like
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Speaker 2: physical therapy, and if you had it maxed out, when
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Speaker 2: you pressed it, you got a good jolt. And this
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Speaker 2: isn't enough to like burn you or anything. But you're
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Speaker 2: going to know that it came and it will not
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Speaker 2: be pleasant, Like it's not a tickle like this, it's
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Speaker 2: going to give you a kick. And the research is
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Speaker 2: that when given the opportunity to sit for fifteen minutes
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Speaker 2: by themselves with the only activity available being pushing this
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Speaker 2: button and receiving a painful physic electric shock, most people
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Speaker 2: push the button, and a lot of people pushed it
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Speaker 2: more than once, meaning like there's always that curiosity like
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Speaker 2: I wonder what that is, I'm pretty bored. I'll figure
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Speaker 2: it out and you press it and you're like, oh man,
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Speaker 2: whoa Like that really makes me feel alive. And then
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Speaker 2: some people are like, I'm going to keep doing it.
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Speaker 2: I would rather be in physical pain than be bored. Yes,
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Speaker 2: we're not very good at being bored as a society,
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Speaker 2: but that we would rather be in pain than be
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Speaker 2: bored is very relatable. I mean, just think about this,
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Speaker 2: like how much do we as adults hate boredom? Like
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Speaker 2: it's so easy to look at our kids and see
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Speaker 2: they're on technology too much, or they're on social media,
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Speaker 2: they play their video games, and that may or may
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Speaker 2: not be true, But just think about us and how
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Speaker 2: we handle boredom, like how many times do I wake up?
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Speaker 2: So I set my alarm nice and early. And it's
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Speaker 2: not that I don't have the time. It's that I
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Speaker 2: convince myself like, oh, but I got to get this
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Speaker 2: work done, like I got to record this podcast, I
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Speaker 2: have to read this thing. I have to respond to
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Speaker 2: that email, like I have to I have to go
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Speaker 2: get busy. And at its roots, I'm super uncomfortable being bored,
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Speaker 2: and boredom inevitably comes when I sit to read my
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Speaker 2: Bible and I let me pause real quick, I will
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Speaker 2: jump maybe into work, maybe into exercise, maybe into a chore, like, oh,
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Speaker 2: got to do that thing for the kids. Get up
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Speaker 2: like I do it. And it's not that I'm not
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Speaker 2: up early enough. It's not like I just need to
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Speaker 2: set my alarm fifteen minutes earlier. I'm up incredibly early.
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Speaker 2: I'm beating the sun. And here in the Northwest, by
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Speaker 2: the way, in the summer, beating the sun is impressive.
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Speaker 2: It's basically southern Alaska, like it's sunny out at four
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Speaker 2: forty five AA right now. So that's wild that I'm
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Speaker 2: waking up that early and can still convince myself. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but I got to jump into this other stuff. The
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Speaker 2: reason being when I pause and I get quiet, I
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Speaker 2: get uncomfortable. We are called to be in that quiet space.
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Speaker 2: We see Jesus model this. But I want to be busy.
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Speaker 2: I want to have a purpose. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: feel bored, and especially I don't want to be unsettled
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Speaker 2: and uncomfortable what the Lord might do with my heart
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Speaker 2: and with my attention of what might percolate up in
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Speaker 2: me when I give that space for God's word and
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Speaker 2: his Holy Spirit to do work on me. So again,
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Speaker 2: I'll exercise, I'll make a chore, I'll jump on work.
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Speaker 2: And busy is the opposite of boredom. Busy is a
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Speaker 2: wonderful way to mask our spiritual pain, our emotional suffering,
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Speaker 2: and our physical weariness, because we might just fall asleep
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Speaker 2: if we try to pray. And that isn't an excuse people,
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Speaker 2: that's a warning. Like if I'm worried that I might
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Speaker 2: pass out because I'm reading the Bible, that's a concern.
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Speaker 2: And speaking of reading the Bible, I had like jumped
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Speaker 2: around there at the beginning. So I want to come
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Speaker 2: back to this. In order to overcome this, I will
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Speaker 2: set myself big goals and I will read the Bible
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Speaker 2: like a job, Like I'm going to get up and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to read three chapters and I won't stop.
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Speaker 2: If the Lord starts to like poke on my heart,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, hmm, that's only verse eleven. I've got to
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Speaker 2: get all the way to the end and this is
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Speaker 2: only my first passage and I will power through and
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Speaker 2: rather than read it and then chew on it, I
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Speaker 2: will take it like a spiritual IV. I just want
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Speaker 2: that thing in my veins. I wanted to get in
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Speaker 2: the system and then like whatever, like Holy Spirit take
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Speaker 2: care of that, because I'm moving on with my day now,
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Speaker 2: Like I checked my box, my Bible is read. Move
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Speaker 2: on now. Is it still valuable to read your Bible?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: And I'm noting that I can actually use my Bible
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Speaker 2: reading as a way to fight boredom rather than support it,
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Speaker 2: because now I have a goal, and now I have
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Speaker 2: a place I'm headed, and it's it's not so much
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Speaker 2: about the process, it's about the destination. And I got
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Speaker 2: to finish chapter four today because chapter five is coming.
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Speaker 2: And while it is absolutely important to read large swaths
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Speaker 2: of scripture so that we can have the context that
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Speaker 2: we have the knowledge. This is the place of like
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Speaker 2: a Sunday school, this is the place like this is
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Speaker 2: why we have more formal reading. This is where we
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Speaker 2: read it through with our kids. But our devotional time
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Speaker 2: or whatever you call it, the spiritual discipline, spiritual bored
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Speaker 2: of reading the Bible calls it meditating. We meditate on
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Speaker 2: scriptures opposite of Eastern meditation, because we're not emptying ourselves.
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Speaker 2: We're a feeling. It's we read the scripture and then
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Speaker 2: we chew on it, and sometimes you do make it
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Speaker 2: through a swathe, and sometimes you make it to the
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Speaker 2: end of one sentence and you're like, oh, I need
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Speaker 2: to think on that, and not it's not just intellectual effort.
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Speaker 2: There is intellectual effort there in this chewing, but there's
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Speaker 2: also just the process of sitting and waiting and letting
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Speaker 2: the Lord work on you. And some examples I've I've
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Speaker 2: been given that I have found work. Excuse me certainly
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Speaker 2: to read it and then to pray on that and
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Speaker 2: just wait. So I read it and then I say, Lord,
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Speaker 2: what would you have me learn from this? So that's one,
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Speaker 2: it's just the process of quiet meditation. Two would be
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Speaker 2: to journal, so I write it down and I do recognize,
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Speaker 2: like what are some words I need to take a
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Speaker 2: part and what's the context around this? And where do
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Speaker 2: I see the supply in the world that the Lord
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Speaker 2: has put me in? And where is the supply to
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Speaker 2: my life? What does God call me to do with this?
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Speaker 2: To have from this or to be because of this?
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Speaker 2: And so to be very specific, if I read like
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Speaker 2: a John three sixteen for the God so loved the world,
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Speaker 2: like what am I called to do from this? I'm
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Speaker 2: called to repent as a sinner? What am I called
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Speaker 2: to have? Have confidence that God saves all sinners who
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Speaker 2: call in his name and believe in His son for salvation,
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Speaker 2: and then to be to be a child of God
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Speaker 2: who already is new. I'm not earning my salvation, so
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Speaker 2: like that's just John three sixteen. I do have be
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I can do that every day
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Speaker 2: for a week and I probably don't need to move on.
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Speaker 2: So this isn't just like good. I did it once
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Speaker 2: and now I'm moving on, Like I forget I leak.
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Speaker 2: I don't leak God's goodness. I leak the faith to
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Speaker 2: believe God's goodness. God doesn't change I do. And this
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Speaker 2: is why it's a discipline and something I returned to.
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Speaker 2: All right, So that's an example, and then take this
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Speaker 2: or leave this. But for me, I need like physical
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Speaker 2: things to help my body do what it needs to do.
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Speaker 2: So I need a certain amount of sleep, I need
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Speaker 2: a certain kind of food, I need exercise. These are
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Speaker 2: just things I need. Or I don't operate as well
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Speaker 2: as I could. I'm not as faithful as I could
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Speaker 2: be in the environment the Lord's put me in in
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Speaker 2: that there are things I need to do to re
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Speaker 2: focus my mind and body. And the practice physical practice
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Speaker 2: of box breathing, so you breathe and say for ten seconds,
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Speaker 2: hold for ten, exhale for ten, hold for ten fully
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Speaker 2: exhale and repeat is super good for my add brain.
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Speaker 2: And like I have to do this if I check
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Speaker 2: my email for too long or if I find myself
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Speaker 2: doomscroll in the news, Like that box breathing piece is
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Speaker 2: a physical thing. I'm using it because it calms my
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Speaker 2: body and it's super valuable. So I use that. And
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Speaker 2: then someone that goes you know, the way I use
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Speaker 2: that is I have a scripture, and so they repeat
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Speaker 2: like a first half of a scripture on the in hold, pause,
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Speaker 2: and then they repeat like the lesson from that on
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Speaker 2: the out, so it might be again John three sixteen,
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Speaker 2: For God so loved the world on the way in
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Speaker 2: holding and then on the way out, and I am
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Speaker 2: loved and redeemed. So these like I don't remember the
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Speaker 2: breath prayers or something. I don't use it all the time,
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Speaker 2: but instead of just kind of the void of box
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Speaker 2: breathing or listening to a clock, like, there is value
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Speaker 2: in that. So the reason I say all that is
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Speaker 2: there are ways we can reclaim this boredom spiritually as adults,
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Speaker 2: and that we must make quiet spaces because we're probably
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Speaker 2: not really running out of time, we're probably just not
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Speaker 2: prioritizing it. And some of that is our fear of boredom,
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Speaker 2: our fear of the quiet place, our fear of my
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Speaker 2: personal fear of not being effective, of falling behind or
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Speaker 2: at least not getting ahead, my fear of not putting
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Speaker 2: in enough effort and not being prepared enough or being
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Speaker 2: too tired. Now because I've been doing all the other things,
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Speaker 2: and I just I want to take us four go
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Speaker 2: any further. I want to take us to the scripture
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Speaker 2: for today Matthew eleven twenty eight through thirty, where Jesus says,
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Speaker 2: come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden,
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Speaker 2: and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you,
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Speaker 2: and learn for me, for I am gentle and lowly
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Speaker 2: in heart, and you will find rest for your souls,
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Speaker 2: for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
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Speaker 2: He is speaking to people who are pursuing their righteousness
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Speaker 2: through action, and they're trying to do everything the teachers
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Speaker 2: of the law are saying, and they're just weary. They
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Speaker 2: are working so hard for their salvation and they just
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Speaker 2: are burning out, and they don't know how to do
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Speaker 2: enough to overcome how bad they are and how poor
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Speaker 2: they are following the rules. And Jesus goes, come to me,
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Speaker 2: if you are weary and heavy laden from this world,
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Speaker 2: from pursuing your own righteousness, from trying to be good
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Speaker 2: enough to impress God, come to me. I'm gonna make
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Speaker 2: you righteous, and I'm going to give you life, and
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Speaker 2: I'm going to fill you with the Holy Spirit, who
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Speaker 2: does the work of righteousness in you. So he's going
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Speaker 2: to make you right, and he's going to do the
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Speaker 2: good works that I'm calling you to do, like you're
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Speaker 2: gonna call excuse me, you're called to love your neighbor
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Speaker 2: and your enemies like that's a lot of work to
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Speaker 2: carry on your own. It's physically impossible. So come to
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Speaker 2: me and I will give you the Holy Spirit, who
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Speaker 2: both makes you right before God the Father and a
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Speaker 2: child of God, and gives you a heart that wants
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Speaker 2: to love your neighbor, and gives you the strength to
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Speaker 2: repent of your sins so that you can forgive others
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Speaker 2: of theirs against you. Remember Mark our Matthew eleven twenty
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Speaker 2: eight through thirty. As we think through this and our
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Speaker 2: fear of boredom, that we're called to the light burden
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Speaker 2: of Christ. But it involves entering this space and giving
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Speaker 2: him well all the things we're not supposed to carry,
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Speaker 2: like our pursuit of righteousness, our weariness from trying to
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Speaker 2: do too much to find our purpose in our jobs
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Speaker 2: or a vacation, or the acknowledgment of parents, or whatever
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Speaker 2: it might be for you. Whatever we're trying to earn
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Speaker 2: our way to in is just stressing us out, and
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Speaker 2: instead we rest and what God has done, know that
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Speaker 2: He loves us, and then do the good works he
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Speaker 2: equips us to do. Parents as we strive to raise
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Speaker 2: kids who love God and use tech. It's intimidating to
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Speaker 2: look at this next stage of life and think about
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Speaker 2: what academics may look like for them. When you're thinking
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Speaker 2: about college, considered George Fox University for your children because
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Speaker 2: of three things. First, it's going to give you a
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Speaker 2: more intimate, known environment where they have a focus on
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Speaker 2: being known personally, academically and spiritually. Your child will grow
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Speaker 2: in their faith. Ninety three percent of undergrad students at
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Speaker 2: George Fox last year through the twenty twenty five academic
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Speaker 2: year said that being at George Fox has helped them
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Speaker 2: grow in their relationship with Jesus. We also want them
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Speaker 2: to grow academically, which means being a part of the
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Speaker 2: university with rigorous academic standards and opportunities to be engaged.
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Speaker 2: They have a nationally recognized engineering, nursing, and education programs,
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Speaker 2: as well as chances to study abroad here within the
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Speaker 2: US and then internationally and finally personally, to be part
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Speaker 2: of a vibrant campus atmosphere where you can play intramural
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Speaker 2: sports or part of their NCAA Division three athletic programs
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Speaker 2: with twenty three sports available. The goal here is to
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Speaker 2: go to a place that's going to support your goals,
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Speaker 2: not try to make you support theirs, To have that
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Speaker 2: goal be to raise you up to be all God's
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Speaker 2: called you to be, and to truly equip your young
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Speaker 2: person with my in my case, my sons or my
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Speaker 2: daughter to love God and then from their love of
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Speaker 2: God to go wherever God has called them, and that
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Speaker 2: includes being equipped with a degree that'll help him do that,
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Speaker 2: to be missionarily equipped to love and serve others, to
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Speaker 2: lead where God has planned the man to know the
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Speaker 2: Gospel for themselves,