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Author Ian O'Connor on Aaron Rodgers book, Former Vikings RB Chuck Foreman · WGBB Sports Talk New York

• 1:00
  Good
• 1:00
  evening
• 1:01
  and
• 1:01
  hello
• 1:01
  again,
• 1:02
  everybody.
• 1:02
  Welcome.
• 1:03
  Welcome
• 1:03
  to
• 1:04
  sports
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  talk
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  New
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  York
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  on
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  WGB
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  in
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  Merrick,
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  Long
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  Island,
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  New
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  York.
• 1:10
  Bill
• 1:11
  Donahue
• 1:11
  here
• 1:12
  with
• 1:12
  you
• 1:13
  on
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  this
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  6th
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  day
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  of
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  October,
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  2024.
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  Our
• 1:17
  engineer
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  Brian
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  Graves
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  is
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  with
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  us
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  at
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  the
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  helm,
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  standing
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  like
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  he's
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  on
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  the
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  bridge
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  of
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  the
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  Starship
• 1:24
  enterprise.
• 1:26
  All
• 1:26
  things
• 1:26
  technical
• 1:27
  is
• 1:27
  in
• 1:27
  the
• 1:27
  hands
• 1:28
  of
• 1:28
  Brian.
• 1:28
  We
• 1:28
  have
• 1:29
  a
• 1:29
  nice
• 1:29
  show
• 1:29
  lined
• 1:30
  up
• 1:30
  for
• 1:30
  you
• 1:30
  tonight.
• 1:31
  The
• 1:31
  theme
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  being
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  our
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  London
• 1:33
  game
• 1:33
  that
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  we
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  suffered
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  through
• 1:35
  today,
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  Jets
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  Vikings.
• 1:37
  Guests
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  up.
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  First,
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  we
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  will
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  speak
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  to
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  the
• 1:40
  great
• 1:40
  author
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  Ian
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  O'Connor.
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  We'll
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  take
• 1:42
  a
• 1:42
  look
• 1:42
  at
• 1:42
  his
• 1:43
  latest
• 1:43
  book
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  out
• 1:44
  of
• 1:44
  the
• 1:45
  the
• 1:45
  mystery
• 1:46
  of
• 1:46
  Aaron
• 1:46
  Rodgers.
• 1:47
  And
• 1:47
  in
• 1:48
  the
• 1:48
  second
• 1:48
  half,
• 1:48
  we
• 1:49
  will
• 1:49
  welcome
• 1:49
  in
• 1:49
  former
• 1:50
  Minnesota
• 1:50
  Vikings
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  running
• 1:51
  back
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  and
• 1:52
  hopefully
• 1:53
  future
• 1:53
  hall
• 1:53
  of
• 1:53
  Famer
• 1:54
  Chuck
• 1:54
  Foreman.
• 1:55
  So
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  sit
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  back,
• 1:56
  relax,
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  get
• 1:57
  yourself
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  a
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  drink
• 1:58
  and
• 1:58
  a
• 1:58
  snack,
• 1:59
  maybe
• 1:59
  some
• 1:59
  Pepsi
• 2:00
  and
• 2:00
  a
• 2:01
  box
• 2:01
  of
• 2:01
  ring
• 2:01
  dings,
• 2:02
  right?
• 2:03
  Enjoy
• 2:04
  yourself,
• 2:05
  enjoy
• 2:05
  the
• 2:05
  show.
• 2:06
  It's
• 2:07
  going
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  to
• 2:07
  be
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  a
• 2:07
  good
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  one
• 2:07
  up
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  ahead
• 2:08
  for
• 2:08
  you
• 2:08
  with
• 2:09
  some
• 2:09
  great
• 2:09
  sports
• 2:10
  talk,
• 2:10
  as
• 2:10
  always.
• 2:11
  Before
• 2:11
  we
• 2:12
  begin,
• 2:12
  I
• 2:12
  invite
• 2:13
  you
• 2:13
  to
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  follow
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  me
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  on
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  my
• 2:15
  Facebook
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  page,
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  which
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  is
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  called
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  the
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  Talk
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  of
• 2:17
  New
• 2:17
  York
• 2:18
  sports.
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  You'll
• 2:18
  find
• 2:19
  some
• 2:19
  good
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  information
• 2:20
  there,
• 2:20
  some
• 2:21
  sports
• 2:21
  information,
• 2:22
  show
• 2:22
  information.
• 2:23
  So
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  much
• 2:24
  more.
• 2:24
  Stop
• 2:24
  by,
• 2:25
  take
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  a
• 2:25
  look.
• 2:25
  You
• 2:25
  can
• 2:26
  also
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  follow
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  me
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  on
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  xDev,
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  all
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  one
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  word,
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  be
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  Donohue,
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  WGBB.
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  And
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  if
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  you
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  miss
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  a
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  show
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  out
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  here,
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  don't
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  worry
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  because
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  they're
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  all
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  out
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  on
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  the
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  website
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  the
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  next
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  day
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  and
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  you
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  can
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  catch
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  up
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  at
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  your
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  leisure.
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  Listen
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  to
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  them
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  whenever
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  you
• 2:43
  want.
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  Well,
• 2:43
  our
• 2:44
  first
• 2:44
  guest,
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  he
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  has
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  graced
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  our
• 2:46
  airwaves
• 2:47
  before.
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  We
• 2:49
  spoke
• 2:49
  previously
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  about
• 2:50
  his
• 2:50
  great
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  book
• 2:51
  on
• 2:51
  Bill
• 2:51
  Belichick,
• 2:53
  including
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  that
• 2:54
  book,
• 2:54
  he
• 2:54
  said
• 2:54
  four
• 2:55
  straight
• 2:55
  New
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  York
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  Times
• 2:56
  best
• 2:56
  sellers.
• 2:57
  He's
• 2:58
  been
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  a
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  columnist
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  at
• 2:59
  ESPN,
• 3:00
  the
• 3:00
  New
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  York
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  Post,
• 3:01
  USA
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  Today
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  and
• 3:03
  the
• 3:03
  New
• 3:03
  York
• 3:03
  Daily
• 3:04
  News.
• 3:04
  As
• 3:05
  I
• 3:05
  said,
• 3:05
  his
• 3:05
  latest
• 3:06
  is
• 3:06
  titled
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  out
• 3:07
  of
• 3:07
  the
• 3:07
  darkness,
• 3:08
  the
• 3:08
  Mystery
• 3:09
  of
• 3:09
  Aaron
• 3:10
  Rodgers.
• 3:10
  We
• 3:10
  welcome
• 3:11
  back
• 3:11
  to
• 3:11
  sports
• 3:12
  talk
• 3:12
  New
• 3:12
  York,
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  Ian
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  O'Connor.
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  Ian,
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  good
• 3:14
  evening.
• 3:16
  Hey,
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  Bill.
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  How
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  are
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  you?
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  I'm
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  doing
• 3:18
  great.
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  Well,
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  I
• 3:19
  had
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  to
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  watch
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  the
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  jets,
• 3:20
  and
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  just
• 3:20
  suffered
• 3:21
  through
• 3:21
  a
• 3:21
  Mets
• 3:21
  loss,
• 3:22
  Ian.
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  So
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  I
• 3:24
  did
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  the
• 3:24
  same
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  thing,
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  by
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  the
• 3:25
  way.
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  So
• 3:27
  how
• 3:27
  good
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  can
• 3:28
  we
• 3:28
  be,
• 3:28
  right?
• 3:30
  Hey,
• 3:30
  listen.
• 3:31
  Well,
• 3:31
  the
• 3:31
  Mets
• 3:31
  are
• 3:31
  fine.
• 3:32
  They're
• 3:32
  going
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  home
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  now.
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  They
• 3:33
  could
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  actually
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  end
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  this
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  series
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  at
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  home.
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  It's
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  probably
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  not
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  likely.
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  I
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  think
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  this
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  is
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  going
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  five.
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  They've
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  already
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  proven
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  they
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  can
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  win
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  in
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  Philadelphia.
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  This
• 3:41
  was
• 3:42
  a
• 3:42
  game
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  where
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  you
• 3:43
  almost
• 3:44
  feel
• 3:44
  like
• 3:45
  it's
• 3:45
  hard
• 3:45
  to
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  believe
• 3:46
  they
• 3:46
  even
• 3:46
  got
• 3:46
  it
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  to
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  bottom
• 3:47
  of
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  the
• 3:47
  9th.
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  But
• 3:49
  when
• 3:49
  you're
• 3:49
  trying
• 3:49
  to
• 3:49
  pitch
• 3:50
  around
• 3:50
  and
• 3:50
  you
• 3:51
  have
• 3:51
  to
• 3:51
  pitch
• 3:51
  around
• 3:51
  Bryce
• 3:52
  Harper
• 3:52
  as
• 3:52
  much
• 3:52
  as
• 3:53
  they
• 3:53
  do,
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  it's
• 3:56
  hard
• 3:56
  to
• 3:56
  win
• 3:57
  that
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  way.
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  And
• 3:58
  on
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  other
• 3:58
  hand,
• 3:58
  you
• 3:58
  don't
• 3:58
  want
• 3:59
  him
• 3:59
  to
• 3:59
  beat
• 3:59
  you.
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  And
• 4:00
  when
• 4:00
  Castellanos
• 4:01
  is
• 4:01
  hitting
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  ball
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  way
• 4:02
  he
• 4:03
  did
• 4:03
  in
• 4:03
  that
• 4:03
  game,
• 4:04
  it
• 4:04
  becomes
• 4:04
  a
• 4:04
  really
• 4:05
  difficult
• 4:05
  proposition.
• 4:06
  It's
• 4:06
  almost
• 4:06
  like
• 4:06
  judging
• 4:07
  Soto
• 4:07
  on
• 4:07
  a,
• 4:08
  maybe
• 4:08
  on
• 4:08
  a
• 4:08
  smaller
• 4:09
  scale,
• 4:10
  but,
• 4:11
  yeah.
• 4:11
  So
• 4:12
  anyway,
• 4:12
  they're
• 4:13
  won
• 4:13
  one.
• 4:13
  They're
• 4:13
  still
• 4:13
  in
• 4:14
  pretty
• 4:14
  good
• 4:14
  shape.
• 4:14
  Such
• 4:14
  a
• 4:15
  hostile
• 4:15
  environment.
• 4:16
  I
• 4:16
  mean,
• 4:16
  those
• 4:17
  people
• 4:17
  would
• 4:17
  boo
• 4:17
  their
• 4:18
  mother
• 4:18
  if
• 4:18
  they
• 4:19
  came
• 4:19
  up.
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  think,
• 4:21
  what
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  place
• 4:21
  to
• 4:22
  play.
• 4:22
  But
• 4:23
  we
• 4:24
  will
• 4:25
  sort
• 4:25
  of
• 4:25
  give
• 4:25
  them
• 4:25
  a
• 4:25
  taste
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  their
• 4:26
  own
• 4:26
  medicine
• 4:27
  this
• 4:27
  week,
• 4:27
  hopefully.
• 4:29
  Well,
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  want
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  talk
• 4:31
  to
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  about
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  great
• 4:32
  new
• 4:32
  book.
• 4:32
  Now,
• 4:33
  how
• 4:33
  did
• 4:33
  the
• 4:34
  idea
• 4:34
  for
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  project
• 4:35
  come
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  you?
• 4:36
  And
• 4:36
  do
• 4:36
  you
• 4:37
  have
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  go
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  Aaron
• 4:38
  Rodgers
• 4:38
  to
• 4:39
  ask
• 4:39
  him
• 4:39
  permission
• 4:40
  or
• 4:40
  tell
• 4:40
  him
• 4:40
  what
• 4:41
  you're
• 4:41
  going
• 4:41
  to
• 4:41
  be
• 4:41
  doing?
• 4:43
  No,
• 4:43
  you
• 4:44
  don't.
• 4:44
  And
• 4:44
  so
• 4:44
  a
• 4:45
  lot
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  people
• 4:46
  ask
• 4:46
  me
• 4:46
  that
• 4:46
  question.
• 4:47
  When
• 4:47
  you're
• 4:47
  doing
• 4:48
  an
• 4:48
  unauthorized
• 4:48
  biography,
• 4:49
  you
• 4:49
  don't
• 4:49
  need
• 4:49
  the
• 4:50
  subject's
• 4:50
  permission.
• 4:51
  And
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  do
• 4:52
  think
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  can
• 4:52
  write
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  very
• 4:53
  good
• 4:53
  biography
• 4:54
  without
• 4:55
  the
• 4:55
  subjects
• 4:55
  cooperation.
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  think
• 4:57
  I've
• 4:57
  done
• 4:57
  that.
• 4:57
  I
• 4:57
  know
• 4:58
  plenty
• 4:58
  of
• 4:58
  people
• 4:58
  have
• 4:59
  done
• 4:59
  that
• 4:59
  before
• 4:59
  me.
• 5:00
  And
• 5:01
  so,
• 5:01
  like
• 5:02
  with
• 5:02
  Belichick,
• 5:03
  he
• 5:03
  actually
• 5:03
  called
• 5:04
  up
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  lot
• 5:04
  of
• 5:04
  people
• 5:05
  and
• 5:05
  asked
• 5:05
  them
• 5:05
  not
• 5:05
  to
• 5:06
  talk
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  me.
• 5:07
  So.
• 5:08
  But
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  ended
• 5:09
  up
• 5:09
  talking
• 5:09
  to,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  don't
• 5:09
  know,
• 5:09
  350
• 5:10
  people
• 5:11
  for
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  biography.
• 5:11
  And
• 5:12
  I'll
• 5:13
  let
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  reader
• 5:13
  decide
• 5:14
  whether
• 5:14
  or
• 5:14
  not
• 5:14
  I
• 5:15
  pulled
• 5:15
  off
• 5:15
  my
• 5:16
  goal
• 5:16
  there
• 5:16
  or
• 5:16
  achieved
• 5:17
  it,
• 5:17
  which
• 5:17
  is
• 5:17
  to
• 5:18
  write
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  defining
• 5:19
  portrait
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  him
• 5:20
  as
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  human
• 5:20
  being
• 5:21
  and
• 5:21
  as
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  coach.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:23
  that
• 5:24
  was
• 5:24
  my
• 5:24
  goal
• 5:24
  with
• 5:24
  Aaron
• 5:24
  Rodgers.
• 5:25
  Initially
• 5:26
  thought
• 5:26
  he
• 5:26
  wouldn't
• 5:27
  cooperate
• 5:27
  at
• 5:27
  all.
• 5:28
  And,
• 5:29
  no,
• 5:29
  I
• 5:29
  never
• 5:29
  asked
• 5:29
  him
• 5:30
  permission.
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  just
• 5:30
  told
• 5:30
  him
• 5:31
  I
• 5:31
  was
• 5:31
  doing
• 5:31
  it.
• 5:31
  And
• 5:32
  I
• 5:32
  interviewed
• 5:32
  250
• 5:33
  people
• 5:34
  in
• 5:35
  and
• 5:35
  around
• 5:35
  his
• 5:35
  life
• 5:36
  and
• 5:36
  handed
• 5:36
  in
• 5:36
  the
• 5:37
  manuscript
• 5:37
  without
• 5:37
  Aaron
• 5:38
  Rodgers
• 5:38
  granting
• 5:39
  an
• 5:39
  interview.
• 5:39
  It
• 5:40
  was
• 5:40
  two
• 5:40
  weeks
• 5:41
  after
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  handed
• 5:41
  in
• 5:41
  that
• 5:42
  manuscript.
• 5:42
  When
• 5:42
  I
• 5:42
  got
• 5:43
  word
• 5:43
  from
• 5:43
  the
• 5:43
  jets
• 5:43
  that
• 5:43
  he
• 5:44
  was
• 5:44
  finally
• 5:44
  willing
• 5:45
  to
• 5:45
  see
• 5:45
  me,
• 5:46
  so
• 5:47
  I
• 5:47
  interviewed
• 5:47
  him.
• 5:48
  He
• 5:48
  gave
• 5:48
  me
• 5:49
  2
• 5:49
  hours
• 5:49
  at
• 5:49
  his
• 5:49
  home
• 5:50
  in
• 5:50
  Malibu
• 5:50
  on
• 5:50
  the
• 5:51
  Pacific
• 5:51
  Ocean.
• 5:52
  And
• 5:52
  so
• 5:53
  that
• 5:53
  was
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  nicest
• 5:53
  backyard
• 5:54
  interview
• 5:54
  I've
• 5:54
  ever
• 5:54
  conducted.
• 5:55
  Right
• 5:55
  on
• 5:55
  the
• 5:55
  ocean
• 5:56
  there.
• 5:57
  But
• 5:58
  he
• 5:58
  made
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  better
• 5:58
  book.
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  had
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  redo
• 6:00
  the
• 6:00
  book
• 6:00
  to
• 6:00
  some
• 6:00
  degree,
• 6:01
  but
• 6:02
  he
• 6:02
  was
• 6:02
  very
• 6:02
  candid,
• 6:03
  he
• 6:03
  was
• 6:03
  thoughtful,
• 6:04
  and
• 6:05
  he
• 6:05
  didn't
• 6:05
  owe
• 6:05
  me
• 6:05
  a
• 6:06
  damn
• 6:06
  thing.
• 6:07
  So
• 6:07
  I
• 6:07
  very
• 6:07
  much
• 6:08
  appreciated
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  audience.
• 6:09
  Very
• 6:09
  good.
• 6:10
  Very
• 6:10
  good.
• 6:10
  Well,
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  lot
• 6:11
  of
• 6:11
  things
• 6:12
  people
• 6:12
  can
• 6:12
  learn
• 6:13
  from
• 6:13
  this
• 6:13
  bookie,
• 6:14
  and
• 6:14
  we'll
• 6:14
  talk
• 6:14
  about
• 6:14
  a
• 6:15
  couple
• 6:15
  of
• 6:15
  points
• 6:16
  that
• 6:16
  you
• 6:16
  do
• 6:17
  bring
• 6:17
  out
• 6:17
  in
• 6:17
  this
• 6:17
  book.
• 6:18
  Now,
• 6:18
  you
• 6:18
  spoke
• 6:18
  to
• 6:19
  his
• 6:19
  parents
• 6:20
  about
• 6:21
  Aaron.
• 6:23
  Yeah.
• 6:23
  He
• 6:23
  hasn't
• 6:24
  talked
• 6:24
  to
• 6:24
  them,
• 6:24
  virtually
• 6:25
  had
• 6:25
  no
• 6:25
  communication
• 6:26
  with
• 6:26
  them
• 6:26
  for
• 6:26
  the
• 6:27
  last
• 6:27
  ten
• 6:27
  years,
• 6:28
  and
• 6:28
  they've
• 6:28
  never
• 6:29
  talked
• 6:29
  about
• 6:29
  that
• 6:30
  estrangement
• 6:31
  on
• 6:31
  the
• 6:32
  record.
• 6:32
  So
• 6:32
  I
• 6:32
  did
• 6:32
  interview
• 6:33
  them.
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  spent
• 6:33
  time
• 6:34
  with
• 6:34
  them.
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  drove
• 6:34
  them
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  game
• 6:35
  last
• 6:36
  September
• 6:36
  when
• 6:36
  he
• 6:36
  got
• 6:37
  hurt.
• 6:37
  The
• 6:37
  opening
• 6:37
  night
• 6:38
  on
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  anniversary
• 6:39
  of
• 6:39
  911,
• 6:40
  of
• 6:40
  course,
• 6:40
  four
• 6:40
  snaps
• 6:41
  into
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  season
• 6:41
  and
• 6:42
  he's
• 6:42
  out
• 6:42
  for
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  season.
• 6:43
  And
• 6:44
  so
• 6:44
  that
• 6:44
  was
• 6:45
  an
• 6:45
  interesting
• 6:46
  and
• 6:46
  very
• 6:46
  difficult
• 6:47
  ride
• 6:47
  home
• 6:48
  with
• 6:48
  his
• 6:48
  parents
• 6:49
  after
• 6:49
  witnessing
• 6:49
  that.
• 6:50
  But
• 6:50
  they
• 6:50
  still
• 6:50
  do
• 6:51
  go
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  some
• 6:51
  games,
• 6:55
  not
• 6:55
  a
• 6:55
  ton
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  games,
• 6:56
  but
• 6:56
  a
• 6:57
  game
• 6:57
  here
• 6:57
  or
• 6:57
  there.
• 6:58
  And
• 6:58
  actually
• 6:58
  they
• 6:59
  went
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  the
• 7:00
  home
• 7:00
  opener
• 7:01
  this
• 7:01
  September.
• 7:01
  I
• 7:02
  went
• 7:02
  with
• 7:02
  them
• 7:02
  or
• 7:02
  drove
• 7:03
  them
• 7:03
  to
• 7:03
  that
• 7:03
  game
• 7:03
  as
• 7:04
  well
• 7:04
  against
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  Patriots,
• 7:05
  which
• 7:05
  is
• 7:05
  really
• 7:06
  the
• 7:06
  one
• 7:06
  game
• 7:06
  where
• 7:06
  Aaron
• 7:07
  looked
• 7:07
  like
• 7:08
  he
• 7:08
  did
• 7:08
  in
• 7:08
  his
• 7:08
  prime
• 7:09
  in
• 7:09
  Green
• 7:09
  Bay
• 7:10
  so
• 7:11
  far.
• 7:11
  Jets,
• 7:11
  obviously
• 7:12
  now
• 7:12
  two
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  three,
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  he's
• 7:13
  been
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  mixed
• 7:14
  bag
• 7:15
  of
• 7:15
  good,
• 7:16
  bad
• 7:17
  in
• 7:17
  the
• 7:18
  middle.
• 7:18
  He's
• 7:18
  looked
• 7:19
  young
• 7:19
  at
• 7:19
  times.
• 7:19
  He's
• 7:19
  looked
• 7:20
  old
• 7:20
  at
• 7:20
  times.
• 7:21
  And
• 7:22
  so
• 7:22
  if
• 7:22
  the
• 7:23
  jets
• 7:23
  win
• 7:23
  this
• 7:23
  game
• 7:24
  Monday
• 7:24
  night
• 7:25
  against
• 7:25
  Buffalo
• 7:25
  next
• 7:26
  Monday
• 7:26
  night,
• 7:27
  they'll
• 7:27
  be
• 7:27
  in
• 7:27
  first
• 7:28
  place.
• 7:28
  Actually,
• 7:29
  that's
• 7:29
  just
• 7:29
  the
• 7:29
  way
• 7:30
  the
• 7:30
  AFC
• 7:31
  east
• 7:31
  is
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  weak
• 7:31
  division
• 7:32
  right
• 7:32
  now.
• 7:33
  So
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  jets
• 7:34
  win
• 7:34
  that
• 7:34
  game
• 7:34
  next
• 7:34
  Monday
• 7:35
  night,
• 7:35
  believe
• 7:35
  it
• 7:35
  or
• 7:35
  not,
• 7:35
  they'll
• 7:36
  be
• 7:36
  in
• 7:36
  first
• 7:36
  place.
• 7:37
  Now
• 7:37
  everybody's
• 7:38
  calling
• 7:38
  for
• 7:38
  Salah's
• 7:39
  head.
• 7:39
  How
• 7:39
  do
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  feel
• 7:40
  about
• 7:40
  that?
• 7:40
  Just
• 7:40
  to
• 7:41
  get
• 7:41
  your
• 7:42
  feeling
• 7:42
  on
• 7:42
  that.
• 7:44
  Listen,
• 7:44
  I
• 7:44
  think
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  would
• 7:45
  give
• 7:45
  him
• 7:46
  one
• 7:46
  more
• 7:46
  game,
• 7:46
  frankly,
• 7:47
  and
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  don't
• 7:48
  know
• 7:48
  if
• 7:48
  Woody
• 7:49
  Johnson
• 7:49
  would
• 7:49
  do
• 7:49
  this,
• 7:50
  but
• 7:50
  I'd
• 7:50
  let
• 7:50
  him
• 7:50
  know
• 7:50
  in
• 7:50
  advance.
• 7:51
  Robert,
• 7:51
  this
• 7:52
  has
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  change.
• 7:52
  This
• 7:53
  is
• 7:53
  your
• 7:53
  fourth
• 7:53
  year,
• 7:54
  and
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  look
• 7:55
  at
• 7:55
  his
• 7:55
  record
• 7:56
  way
• 7:57
  under
• 7:57
  500,
• 7:58
  and
• 7:59
  you
• 7:59
  have
• 7:59
  Aaron
• 8:00
  Rodgers
• 8:00
  now.
• 8:01
  And
• 8:01
  so
• 8:01
  really
• 8:01
  there
• 8:02
  are
• 8:02
  no
• 8:02
  excuses
• 8:03
  when
• 8:03
  you
• 8:03
  look
• 8:03
  at
• 8:03
  the
• 8:04
  talent
• 8:04
  on
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  roster.
• 8:05
  And
• 8:06
  so,
• 8:07
  listen,
• 8:08
  they
• 8:08
  could
• 8:08
  get
• 8:08
  back
• 8:09
  on
• 8:09
  track
• 8:09
  here
• 8:09
  pretty
• 8:10
  quickly.
• 8:11
  But
• 8:11
  what
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  would
• 8:11
  do
• 8:12
  is
• 8:12
  if
• 8:12
  they
• 8:12
  lose
• 8:12
  that
• 8:12
  game
• 8:13
  and
• 8:13
  they're
• 8:13
  two
• 8:13
  and
• 8:13
  four.
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  think
• 8:15
  you
• 8:15
  have
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  try
• 8:15
  to
• 8:15
  save
• 8:15
  the
• 8:16
  season
• 8:16
  at
• 8:16
  that
• 8:16
  point.
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  would
• 8:17
  install
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  defensive
• 8:19
  coordinator,
• 8:19
  Jeff
• 8:19
  Ulbricht,
• 8:20
  as
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  interim
• 8:21
  head
• 8:22
  coach,
• 8:22
  and
• 8:23
  then
• 8:23
  if
• 8:23
  he
• 8:23
  is
• 8:24
  lights
• 8:24
  out
• 8:24
  and
• 8:25
  gets
• 8:25
  them
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  playoffs,
• 8:26
  okay,
• 8:26
  well,
• 8:26
  then
• 8:26
  maybe
• 8:27
  he
• 8:27
  keeps
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  job.
• 8:28
  That
• 8:28
  Bill
• 8:29
  Belichick
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  out
• 8:29
  there.
• 8:30
  Of
• 8:30
  course,
• 8:31
  Mike
• 8:31
  Vrabel,
• 8:32
  Brian
• 8:33
  Flores
• 8:34
  from
• 8:34
  Brooklyn
• 8:35
  is
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  defensive
• 8:35
  coordinator
• 8:36
  who
• 8:36
  beat
• 8:36
  the
• 8:36
  jets
• 8:37
  today.
• 8:37
  Would
• 8:38
  be
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  guy
• 8:38
  I'd
• 8:38
  be
• 8:38
  interested
• 8:39
  in
• 8:39
  talking
• 8:39
  to.
• 8:40
  But,
• 8:40
  yeah,
• 8:41
  if
• 8:41
  they
• 8:42
  lose
• 8:42
  another
• 8:42
  game
• 8:43
  here,
• 8:43
  particularly
• 8:44
  at
• 8:44
  home
• 8:45
  to
• 8:45
  a
• 8:45
  division
• 8:45
  rival,
• 8:46
  they
• 8:46
  need
• 8:46
  to
• 8:46
  beat,
• 8:47
  and
• 8:47
  they're
• 8:47
  two
• 8:48
  and
• 8:48
  four,
• 8:49
  that's
• 8:49
  when
• 8:49
  I
• 8:49
  think
• 8:49
  Woody
• 8:50
  Johnson
• 8:50
  should
• 8:50
  make
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  change.
• 8:51
  I
• 8:52
  agree
• 8:52
  with
• 8:52
  you.
• 8:52
  I
• 8:52
  agree
• 8:52
  with
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  100%
• 8:53
  on
• 8:54
  that,
• 8:54
  Ian.
• 8:54
  We're
• 8:55
  speaking
• 8:55
  with
• 8:55
  Ian
• 8:55
  O'Connor
• 8:56
  tonight
• 8:56
  on
• 8:56
  Sports
• 8:57
  talk
• 8:57
  New
• 8:57
  York.
• 8:58
  Now,
• 8:58
  he
• 8:58
  did
• 8:59
  sit
• 8:59
  down
• 8:59
  with
• 8:59
  you
• 8:59
  and
• 9:00
  decided
• 9:00
  discuss
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  Achilles
• 9:02
  injury
• 9:03
  that
• 9:03
  he
• 9:03
  sustained,
• 9:04
  as
• 9:04
  we
• 9:04
  said,
• 9:04
  four
• 9:05
  plays
• 9:05
  into
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  season
• 9:06
  last
• 9:07
  year.
• 9:07
  What
• 9:07
  did
• 9:07
  he
• 9:07
  have
• 9:07
  to
• 9:08
  say
• 9:08
  about
• 9:08
  that?
• 9:10
  Well,
• 9:11
  it's
• 9:11
  just
• 9:12
  how
• 9:12
  difficult
• 9:13
  the
• 9:14
  rehab
• 9:14
  process
• 9:15
  was.
• 9:16
  And
• 9:17
  one
• 9:17
  person
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  talked
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  was
• 9:19
  Aaron's
• 9:19
  personal
• 9:20
  trainer,
• 9:20
  who
• 9:20
  actually
• 9:20
  moved
• 9:21
  in
• 9:21
  with
• 9:21
  him
• 9:22
  to
• 9:22
  oversee
• 9:23
  his
• 9:23
  recovery
• 9:23
  from
• 9:23
  the
• 9:24
  surgery.
• 9:25
  And
• 9:25
  he
• 9:25
  had
• 9:25
  never
• 9:25
  been
• 9:26
  identified
• 9:26
  in
• 9:26
  any
• 9:27
  publication,
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  so
• 9:28
  he'd
• 9:28
  never
• 9:29
  been
• 9:29
  quoted.
• 9:29
  And
• 9:30
  he
• 9:30
  told
• 9:30
  me
• 9:30
  that
• 9:30
  in
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  early
• 9:31
  stages
• 9:31
  of
• 9:32
  that
• 9:32
  recovery,
• 9:32
  it
• 9:32
  was
• 9:33
  really
• 9:33
  grim.
• 9:34
  There
• 9:34
  were
• 9:34
  some
• 9:34
  dark
• 9:35
  periods
• 9:35
  there
• 9:35
  where
• 9:35
  Aaron
• 9:36
  was
• 9:36
  questioning
• 9:36
  whether
• 9:37
  or
• 9:37
  not
• 9:37
  he
• 9:37
  would
• 9:37
  ever
• 9:37
  play
• 9:38
  again,
• 9:38
  whether
• 9:39
  or
• 9:39
  not
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  jets
• 9:39
  even
• 9:40
  wanted
• 9:40
  him
• 9:40
  back.
• 9:41
  He
• 9:41
  felt
• 9:41
  like
• 9:42
  he
• 9:42
  had
• 9:42
  let
• 9:42
  so
• 9:42
  many
• 9:43
  people
• 9:43
  down
• 9:43
  by
• 9:44
  getting
• 9:44
  hurt
• 9:44
  in
• 9:44
  that
• 9:44
  opening
• 9:45
  game,
• 9:46
  but
• 9:46
  he
• 9:47
  got
• 9:47
  past
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  at
• 9:47
  some
• 9:48
  point.
• 9:48
  Then
• 9:48
  he
• 9:49
  started
• 9:49
  talking
• 9:49
  about
• 9:49
  playing,
• 9:50
  returning
• 9:50
  to
• 9:51
  play
• 9:51
  at
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  end
• 9:51
  of
• 9:51
  that
• 9:52
  season.
• 9:52
  Now,
• 9:52
  nobody's
• 9:52
  ever
• 9:53
  come
• 9:53
  back
• 9:53
  from
• 9:54
  an
• 9:54
  Achilles
• 9:54
  tear
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  quickly,
• 9:56
  and
• 9:56
  some
• 9:57
  close,
• 9:57
  but
• 9:57
  not
• 9:58
  that
• 9:58
  quickly.
• 9:59
  But
• 9:59
  he
• 9:59
  said
• 9:59
  to
• 10:00
  his
• 10:00
  trainer,
• 10:00
  if
• 10:00
  we
• 10:01
  win
• 10:01
  December
• 10:01
  17
• 10:02
  in
• 10:02
  Miami
• 10:02
  to
• 10:03
  stay
• 10:03
  alive
• 10:03
  for
• 10:03
  the
• 10:04
  playoffs,
• 10:04
  I'm
• 10:05
  playing
• 10:05
  Christmas
• 10:05
  Eve
• 10:06
  against
• 10:06
  Washington.
• 10:07
  Now,
• 10:07
  the
• 10:07
  jets
• 10:07
  didn't
• 10:08
  win
• 10:08
  that
• 10:08
  game,
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  his
• 10:09
  trainer
• 10:09
  absolutely
• 10:10
  did
• 10:10
  not
• 10:10
  want
• 10:10
  him
• 10:10
  to
• 10:11
  do
• 10:11
  that.
• 10:11
  He
• 10:11
  was
• 10:11
  afraid
• 10:12
  of
• 10:12
  another
• 10:12
  tear
• 10:13
  and
• 10:13
  that
• 10:13
  would
• 10:13
  end
• 10:14
  his
• 10:14
  career.
• 10:16
  So
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  jets
• 10:16
  lost
• 10:17
  that
• 10:17
  game.
• 10:17
  Aaron
• 10:18
  ended
• 10:18
  up
• 10:18
  coming
• 10:18
  back
• 10:19
  this
• 10:19
  year
• 10:19
  instead.
• 10:20
  And
• 10:21
  so
• 10:21
  far,
• 10:21
  again,
• 10:23
  I
• 10:23
  don't
• 10:23
  think
• 10:23
  he
• 10:24
  represents
• 10:25
  one
• 10:26
  of
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  jets
• 10:26
  top
• 10:26
  five
• 10:27
  problems
• 10:27
  at
• 10:28
  all.
• 10:28
  Like,
• 10:28
  he's
• 10:28
  thrown
• 10:28
  the
• 10:29
  ball,
• 10:29
  for
• 10:30
  the
• 10:30
  most
• 10:30
  part,
• 10:30
  at
• 10:30
  a
• 10:31
  pretty
• 10:32
  high
• 10:32
  level,
• 10:33
  maybe
• 10:33
  not
• 10:33
  his
• 10:34
  old
• 10:34
  mvp
• 10:34
  level,
• 10:35
  but
• 10:35
  Breece
• 10:36
  hall,
• 10:36
  their
• 10:36
  running
• 10:36
  back,
• 10:37
  hasn't
• 10:38
  done
• 10:38
  anything.
• 10:38
  He
• 10:38
  was
• 10:39
  supposed
• 10:39
  to
• 10:39
  be
• 10:39
  a
• 10:39
  star.
• 10:39
  He
• 10:40
  was
• 10:40
  a
• 10:40
  star
• 10:40
  in
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  past,
• 10:42
  and
• 10:42
  Rogers
• 10:43
  needs
• 10:43
  a
• 10:43
  running
• 10:43
  game
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  be
• 10:44
  effective,
• 10:45
  particularly
• 10:45
  at
• 10:45
  age
• 10:46
  40.
• 10:46
  And
• 10:46
  the
• 10:47
  offensive
• 10:47
  line
• 10:47
  at
• 10:47
  times
• 10:48
  has,
• 10:48
  has
• 10:49
  hurt
• 10:49
  him.
• 10:49
  But
• 10:50
  that
• 10:50
  running
• 10:50
  game
• 10:50
  and
• 10:50
  Breece
• 10:51
  hall
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  particular
• 10:52
  need
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  get
• 10:52
  going
• 10:53
  for
• 10:53
  this
• 10:54
  season
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  be
• 10:54
  a
• 10:54
  success
• 10:55
  without
• 10:55
  question.
• 10:56
  Well,
• 10:56
  we
• 10:56
  saw
• 10:56
  that
• 10:57
  today.
• 10:57
  Like
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  said,
• 10:58
  a
• 10:58
  lot
• 10:58
  of
• 10:59
  examples
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  today.
• 11:01
  And
• 11:02
  a
• 11:02
  microcosm
• 11:03
  right
• 11:03
  there
• 11:03
  of
• 11:04
  what
• 11:04
  we're
• 11:04
  talking
• 11:04
  about
• 11:05
  now.
• 11:06
  As
• 11:06
  we
• 11:07
  all
• 11:07
  know,
• 11:07
  a
• 11:08
  controversial
• 11:09
  guy,
• 11:09
  Aaron
• 11:10
  Rodgers,
• 11:10
  is
• 11:11
  now
• 11:11
  the
• 11:12
  whole
• 11:12
  Covid
• 11:13
  thing
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  took
• 11:13
  place
• 11:14
  a
• 11:14
  couple
• 11:14
  of
• 11:14
  years
• 11:15
  ago.
• 11:17
  He
• 11:17
  says
• 11:17
  to
• 11:18
  you
• 11:18
  he
• 11:18
  made
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  mistake
• 11:19
  with
• 11:19
  his
• 11:19
  stance
• 11:20
  in
• 11:20
  that,
• 11:20
  correct?
• 11:22
  Yeah.
• 11:22
  Bill,
• 11:23
  first
• 11:23
  of
• 11:24
  all,
• 11:24
  Aaron
• 11:24
  Rodgers
• 11:24
  never
• 11:25
  admits
• 11:25
  mistakes,
• 11:26
  really,
• 11:26
  in
• 11:26
  any
• 11:26
  context.
• 11:27
  And
• 11:28
  I
• 11:28
  would
• 11:28
  say
• 11:28
  that
• 11:28
  about
• 11:29
  most
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  great
• 11:29
  athletes
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  coaches
• 11:30
  I
• 11:30
  profiled
• 11:31
  over
• 11:31
  the
• 11:31
  years
• 11:32
  in
• 11:32
  books
• 11:32
  and
• 11:32
  features
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  columns.
• 11:33
  It
• 11:33
  just,
• 11:34
  it's
• 11:35
  almost
• 11:35
  like
• 11:35
  they're,
• 11:36
  it
• 11:36
  is
• 11:36
  like
• 11:36
  they're
• 11:36
  afraid
• 11:37
  that
• 11:37
  any
• 11:38
  weakness
• 11:39
  or
• 11:39
  fault
• 11:40
  or
• 11:40
  mistake
• 11:40
  that
• 11:41
  they
• 11:41
  admit
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  the
• 11:41
  public
• 11:42
  arena
• 11:42
  would
• 11:42
  follow
• 11:43
  them
• 11:43
  into
• 11:43
  the
• 11:43
  competitive
• 11:44
  arena
• 11:44
  and
• 11:44
  maybe
• 11:45
  compromise
• 11:45
  their
• 11:45
  chances
• 11:46
  of
• 11:47
  winning
• 11:47
  at
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  highest
• 11:48
  level,
• 11:48
  being
• 11:48
  an
• 11:48
  all
• 11:48
  time
• 11:49
  great.
• 11:49
  So
• 11:49
  they
• 11:50
  never
• 11:50
  do
• 11:50
  it
• 11:50
  or
• 11:50
  rarely
• 11:51
  do
• 11:51
  it.
• 11:51
  But
• 11:51
  he
• 11:51
  did
• 11:52
  say,
• 11:52
  when
• 11:53
  he
• 11:53
  said
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  words,
• 11:54
  yeah,
• 11:54
  I've
• 11:54
  been
• 11:54
  immunized
• 11:55
  to
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  question,
• 11:56
  are
• 11:56
  you
• 11:56
  vaccinated?
• 11:57
  This
• 11:57
  is
• 11:57
  August
• 11:57
  of
• 11:58
  21
• 11:58
  in
• 11:58
  Green
• 11:59
  Bay.
• 12:00
  Yeah.
• 12:00
  Those
• 12:00
  four
• 12:00
  words
• 12:01
  changed
• 12:01
  his
• 12:01
  life
• 12:01
  because
• 12:02
  the
• 12:02
  truth
• 12:02
  came
• 12:02
  out
• 12:02
  three
• 12:03
  months
• 12:03
  later
• 12:03
  that
• 12:03
  he
• 12:03
  wasn't
• 12:04
  vaccinated.
• 12:05
  And
• 12:05
  he's
• 12:05
  never
• 12:05
  really
• 12:06
  recovered
• 12:06
  from
• 12:06
  that
• 12:07
  public
• 12:07
  relations
• 12:07
  hit
• 12:08
  at
• 12:08
  all.
• 12:09
  And
• 12:09
  so
• 12:10
  it's
• 12:10
  like
• 12:10
  he
• 12:10
  was
• 12:11
  often
• 12:11
  seen
• 12:12
  as
• 12:12
  one
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  good
• 12:13
  guys
• 12:13
  in
• 12:13
  sports.
• 12:14
  He
• 12:14
  became
• 12:14
  a
• 12:14
  villain,
• 12:15
  the
• 12:15
  ultimate
• 12:15
  villain
• 12:16
  of
• 12:16
  the
• 12:16
  NFL,
• 12:16
  really.
• 12:17
  And
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  last
• 12:18
  three
• 12:18
  years,
• 12:19
  there's
• 12:19
  really
• 12:19
  been
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  lot
• 12:20
  of
• 12:20
  negativity
• 12:20
  around
• 12:21
  him.
• 12:21
  The
• 12:22
  way
• 12:22
  he
• 12:22
  neutralizes
• 12:23
  that
• 12:23
  is
• 12:24
  with
• 12:24
  his
• 12:24
  play,
• 12:24
  at
• 12:24
  least
• 12:25
  when
• 12:25
  he's
• 12:25
  healthy.
• 12:26
  And
• 12:27
  so
• 12:28
  that's
• 12:28
  what
• 12:28
  he
• 12:28
  can
• 12:29
  do
• 12:29
  here.
• 12:29
  If
• 12:29
  he
• 12:30
  could
• 12:30
  somehow
• 12:30
  get
• 12:30
  the
• 12:31
  jets
• 12:32
  back
• 12:32
  into
• 12:33
  playoff
• 12:33
  contention,
• 12:34
  maybe
• 12:34
  down
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  road,
• 12:35
  Super
• 12:36
  bowl
• 12:36
  contention,
• 12:36
  though
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  seems
• 12:37
  very
• 12:37
  unlikely
• 12:38
  right
• 12:38
  now.
• 12:39
  That
• 12:39
  would
• 12:39
  wipe
• 12:39
  away
• 12:40
  a
• 12:40
  lot
• 12:40
  of
• 12:40
  that
• 12:40
  negativity
• 12:41
  over
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  last
• 12:42
  three
• 12:42
  years.
• 12:42
  But
• 12:43
  he
• 12:43
  did
• 12:43
  admit
• 12:43
  to
• 12:43
  me
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  he
• 12:44
  should
• 12:44
  not
• 12:44
  have
• 12:45
  said
• 12:45
  that
• 12:45
  because
• 12:46
  he
• 12:46
  wasn't
• 12:46
  vaccinated.
• 12:47
  He
• 12:47
  shouldn't
• 12:47
  have
• 12:47
  misled
• 12:48
  people.
• 12:49
  And
• 12:49
  he
• 12:49
  feels
• 12:49
  that
• 12:50
  by
• 12:50
  doing
• 12:50
  that,
• 12:51
  he
• 12:51
  gave
• 12:51
  his
• 12:52
  critics
• 12:52
  the
• 12:52
  one
• 12:53
  thing
• 12:53
  they
• 12:53
  still
• 12:54
  have
• 12:54
  on
• 12:54
  him
• 12:54
  today.
• 12:55
  And
• 12:56
  it
• 12:56
  was
• 12:56
  just
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  damaging
• 12:58
  mistake
• 12:58
  again,
• 12:58
  that
• 12:58
  he's
• 12:59
  not
• 12:59
  really
• 12:59
  recovered
• 13:00
  from.
• 13:00
  Do
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  feel,
• 13:01
  Ian,
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  he's
• 13:02
  damaging
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  Aaron
• 13:04
  Rodgers
• 13:05
  legacy,
• 13:06
  so
• 13:06
  to
• 13:06
  speak,
• 13:08
  with
• 13:08
  his
• 13:08
  turn
• 13:09
  with
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  jets
• 13:10
  here?
• 13:11
  Maybe
• 13:11
  in
• 13:11
  the
• 13:11
  eyes
• 13:12
  of
• 13:12
  some
• 13:12
  people,
• 13:12
  Bill,
• 13:12
  but
• 13:13
  you
• 13:13
  look
• 13:13
  today,
• 13:15
  he
• 13:16
  joined
• 13:16
  the
• 13:16
  60,000
• 13:17
  yard
• 13:17
  passing
• 13:18
  yards
• 13:18
  club,
• 13:19
  right?
• 13:20
  And
• 13:20
  he
• 13:20
  joined,
• 13:21
  he's
• 13:21
  now
• 13:22
  one
• 13:22
  of
• 13:23
  nine
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  do
• 13:23
  that.
• 13:24
  And
• 13:25
  that's
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  hell
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  a
• 13:26
  thing.
• 13:26
  And
• 13:26
  here's
• 13:26
  a
• 13:27
  guy
• 13:27
  who
• 13:27
  wasn't
• 13:27
  even
• 13:27
  offered
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  scholarship
• 13:28
  coming
• 13:29
  out
• 13:29
  of
• 13:29
  high
• 13:29
  school.
• 13:30
  He
• 13:30
  had
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  go
• 13:30
  to
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  local
• 13:31
  community
• 13:31
  college
• 13:32
  to
• 13:32
  play,
• 13:32
  even
• 13:32
  though
• 13:32
  he
• 13:32
  had
• 13:33
  1310
• 13:33
  on
• 13:33
  his
• 13:33
  sats.
• 13:35
  And
• 13:35
  he
• 13:35
  really
• 13:35
  created
• 13:36
  his
• 13:36
  entire
• 13:36
  career
• 13:37
  on
• 13:37
  his
• 13:37
  own.
• 13:37
  Nobody
• 13:37
  ever
• 13:38
  handed
• 13:38
  him
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  thing.
• 13:39
  So
• 13:40
  that's
• 13:40
  probably
• 13:40
  lost
• 13:40
  in
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  discussion
• 13:41
  about
• 13:42
  him.
• 13:42
  I
• 13:42
  think
• 13:42
  he's
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  most
• 13:43
  accurate
• 13:43
  passer
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  ever
• 13:45
  play.
• 13:46
  I
• 13:46
  think
• 13:46
  he
• 13:46
  doesn't
• 13:47
  have
• 13:47
  the
• 13:47
  championship
• 13:47
  rings,
• 13:48
  obviously,
• 13:48
  of
• 13:48
  Tom
• 13:48
  Brady,
• 13:49
  and
• 13:49
  that's
• 13:49
  the
• 13:49
  guy
• 13:50
  he's
• 13:50
  compared
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  most
• 13:52
  of
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  time.
• 13:53
  It's
• 13:53
  his
• 13:53
  contemporary.
• 13:54
  And
• 13:54
  Brady
• 13:54
  made
• 13:54
  it
• 13:54
  look
• 13:55
  easy
• 13:55
  winning
• 13:55
  seven
• 13:55
  rings
• 13:56
  and
• 13:56
  Aaron
• 13:56
  just
• 13:56
  has
• 13:56
  the
• 13:57
  one.
• 13:57
  But
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  do
• 13:58
  think
• 13:59
  again,
• 13:59
  if
• 13:59
  he
• 13:59
  could
• 13:59
  somehow
• 14:00
  win
• 14:00
  with
• 14:00
  the
• 14:01
  jets
• 14:02
  and
• 14:02
  win
• 14:02
  at
• 14:02
  a
• 14:02
  high
• 14:03
  level,
• 14:03
  that
• 14:04
  does
• 14:04
  make
• 14:04
  a
• 14:04
  lot
• 14:04
  of
• 14:05
  mistakes
• 14:05
  on
• 14:06
  and
• 14:06
  off
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  field
• 14:07
  disappear.
• 14:07
  That's
• 14:07
  just
• 14:07
  the
• 14:08
  way
• 14:08
  it
• 14:08
  is
• 14:08
  in
• 14:08
  professional
• 14:09
  sports.
• 14:09
  I'm
• 14:10
  not
• 14:10
  saying
• 14:10
  that's
• 14:11
  that
• 14:11
  big
• 14:11
  victory
• 14:12
  equals
• 14:12
  virtue,
• 14:13
  but
• 14:13
  oftentimes
• 14:14
  those
• 14:14
  two
• 14:14
  things
• 14:15
  get
• 14:15
  confused
• 14:15
  for
• 14:16
  each
• 14:16
  other
• 14:17
  and
• 14:18
  that
• 14:18
  could
• 14:18
  still
• 14:18
  help
• 14:18
  him
• 14:19
  out
• 14:19
  here
• 14:19
  with
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  jets.
• 14:20
  You're
• 14:20
  right.
• 14:20
  Winning
• 14:20
  covers
• 14:21
  a
• 14:21
  multitude
• 14:22
  of
• 14:22
  sins,
• 14:23
  Ian.
• 14:23
  That
• 14:23
  is
• 14:24
  for
• 14:24
  sure.
• 14:25
  Now,
• 14:27
  he's
• 14:28
  had
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  complicated
• 14:29
  relationship
• 14:30
  with
• 14:30
  his
• 14:30
  past
• 14:31
  coaches,
• 14:31
  too.
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  mean,
• 14:33
  we
• 14:33
  just
• 14:33
  spoke
• 14:33
  about
• 14:34
  Robert
• 14:34
  Saleh
• 14:35
  and
• 14:36
  perhaps
• 14:37
  his
• 14:37
  future
• 14:37
  with
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  New
• 14:38
  York
• 14:38
  Jetse.
• 14:39
  What
• 14:40
  was
• 14:40
  his
• 14:40
  relationship
• 14:41
  like
• 14:41
  with
• 14:43
  coaches
• 14:43
  Mike
• 14:43
  McCarthy
• 14:44
  and
• 14:44
  Matt
• 14:45
  Lafleur
• 14:46
  and
• 14:47
  also
• 14:47
  with
• 14:47
  Brett
• 14:47
  Favre
• 14:48
  in
• 14:48
  Green
• 14:48
  Bay?
• 14:49
  There
• 14:49
  was
• 14:50
  a
• 14:50
  problem
• 14:50
  there
• 14:51
  when
• 14:51
  Aaron
• 14:52
  started.
• 14:54
  Yeah,
• 14:54
  all
• 14:54
  those
• 14:54
  relationships,
• 14:55
  all
• 14:55
  the
• 14:56
  above
• 14:56
  complicated,
• 14:57
  like
• 14:57
  most
• 14:58
  of
• 14:58
  Aaron's
• 14:58
  relationships
• 14:59
  with
• 15:00
  his
• 15:00
  coaches
• 15:00
  in
• 15:00
  particular.
• 15:01
  But
• 15:01
  Brett
• 15:01
  Favre,
• 15:02
  yeah,
• 15:02
  he
• 15:02
  didn't
• 15:03
  treat
• 15:03
  him
• 15:03
  well.
• 15:03
  I
• 15:04
  can
• 15:04
  understand
• 15:04
  Brett
• 15:04
  Favre
• 15:05
  not
• 15:05
  wanting
• 15:05
  to
• 15:06
  train
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  person
• 15:07
  hired
• 15:08
  to
• 15:08
  replace
• 15:08
  him
• 15:09
  and.
• 15:10
  But
• 15:10
  their
• 15:10
  relationship
• 15:11
  is
• 15:11
  actually
• 15:12
  better
• 15:12
  now
• 15:12
  because
• 15:13
  Aaron
• 15:13
  got
• 15:13
  forced
• 15:14
  out,
• 15:14
  too.
• 15:15
  He
• 15:15
  got
• 15:15
  to
• 15:15
  feel
• 15:16
  what
• 15:16
  Brett
• 15:16
  Favre
• 15:16
  felt
• 15:17
  in
• 15:17
  2008
• 15:18
  when
• 15:18
  he
• 15:18
  was
• 15:18
  effectively
• 15:19
  forced
• 15:19
  out
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  Green
• 15:19
  Bay
• 15:20
  in
• 15:20
  favor
• 15:20
  of
• 15:20
  Aaron
• 15:21
  Rodgers.
• 15:21
  Rogers
• 15:22
  was
• 15:22
  effectively
• 15:23
  forced
• 15:23
  out
• 15:23
  of
• 15:23
  Green
• 15:23
  Bay
• 15:23
  in
• 15:24
  favor
• 15:24
  of
• 15:24
  Jordan
• 15:24
  Love.
• 15:25
  They
• 15:25
  have
• 15:25
  a
• 15:26
  bond
• 15:26
  now
• 15:26
  that
• 15:26
  they
• 15:26
  both
• 15:27
  sort
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  experience
• 15:27
  the
• 15:28
  pain
• 15:28
  of
• 15:28
  that
• 15:29
  and
• 15:30
  so.
• 15:30
  But
• 15:30
  as
• 15:30
  far
• 15:30
  as
• 15:30
  Mike
• 15:31
  McCarthy
• 15:31
  and
• 15:32
  Lafour,
• 15:33
  yeah,
• 15:33
  I
• 15:34
  mean,
• 15:34
  Aaron
• 15:34
  is
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  guy
• 15:35
  who,
• 15:36
  if
• 15:36
  he
• 15:37
  doesn't
• 15:38
  believe
• 15:38
  that
• 15:39
  you're
• 15:39
  thinking
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  game
• 15:40
  at
• 15:40
  his
• 15:40
  level,
• 15:40
  he's
• 15:41
  going
• 15:41
  to
• 15:41
  lose
• 15:41
  respect
• 15:42
  for
• 15:42
  you
• 15:42
  pretty
• 15:42
  quickly.
• 15:43
  And
• 15:44
  he
• 15:44
  did
• 15:45
  say
• 15:45
  that
• 15:45
  with
• 15:45
  McCarthy
• 15:46
  in
• 15:46
  particular
• 15:46
  because,
• 15:47
  of
• 15:47
  course,
• 15:47
  he
• 15:47
  spent
• 15:47
  most
• 15:48
  of
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  time
• 15:48
  with
• 15:48
  him,
• 15:49
  that
• 15:49
  they
• 15:49
  butted
• 15:50
  heads
• 15:50
  quite
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  bit,
• 15:51
  but
• 15:51
  they
• 15:51
  did
• 15:52
  light
• 15:52
  it
• 15:52
  up
• 15:52
  offensively
• 15:53
  against
• 15:55
  defenses
• 15:55
  around
• 15:56
  the
• 15:56
  league
• 15:56
  for
• 15:56
  a
• 15:56
  number
• 15:56
  of
• 15:57
  years.
• 15:57
  And
• 15:57
  they
• 15:57
  did
• 15:58
  win
• 15:58
  a
• 15:58
  Super
• 15:58
  bowl
• 15:58
  together.
• 15:58
  And
• 15:59
  you
• 15:59
  can't
• 15:59
  take
• 15:59
  that
• 15:59
  away
• 16:00
  from
• 16:00
  them.
• 16:00
  Which
• 16:00
  is
• 16:00
  true.
• 16:01
  And
• 16:02
  I
• 16:02
  know
• 16:03
  one
• 16:03
  of
• 16:03
  his
• 16:03
  first
• 16:03
  meetings
• 16:04
  with
• 16:05
  Matt
• 16:05
  Lafleur,
• 16:06
  Lafour
• 16:06
  told
• 16:07
  them,
• 16:07
  hey,
• 16:07
  you
• 16:07
  have
• 16:07
  to
• 16:07
  turn
• 16:07
  your
• 16:08
  brain
• 16:08
  off
• 16:09
  when
• 16:09
  I'm
• 16:09
  coaching
• 16:10
  you.
• 16:10
  And
• 16:11
  Rogers
• 16:11
  is
• 16:11
  like,
• 16:11
  no,
• 16:12
  no,
• 16:12
  I
• 16:13
  need
• 16:13
  my
• 16:13
  brain
• 16:13
  on
• 16:13
  at
• 16:13
  all
• 16:14
  times.
• 16:14
  That's
• 16:14
  how
• 16:14
  I
• 16:14
  win
• 16:15
  games
• 16:15
  Monday
• 16:16
  through
• 16:16
  Friday
• 16:16
  is
• 16:17
  with
• 16:17
  my
• 16:17
  brain.
• 16:17
  I
• 16:17
  need
• 16:18
  my
• 16:18
  teammates
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  have
• 16:18
  their
• 16:19
  brains
• 16:19
  turned
• 16:19
  on,
• 16:19
  too,
• 16:20
  at
• 16:20
  all
• 16:20
  times.
• 16:20
  So
• 16:21
  that
• 16:21
  was
• 16:21
  maybe
• 16:21
  a
• 16:22
  little
• 16:22
  window
• 16:23
  into
• 16:23
  what
• 16:23
  their
• 16:24
  relationship
• 16:24
  would
• 16:24
  become.
• 16:25
  Not
• 16:25
  a
• 16:25
  bad
• 16:25
  relationship,
• 16:26
  but
• 16:26
  a
• 16:26
  complicated
• 16:27
  one
• 16:28
  that
• 16:28
  could
• 16:29
  get
• 16:29
  pretty
• 16:29
  tense
• 16:30
  at
• 16:30
  times.
• 16:31
  We're
• 16:31
  speaking
• 16:31
  with
• 16:32
  Ian
• 16:33
  O'Connor
• 16:33
  tonight
• 16:34
  about
• 16:35
  his
• 16:35
  book
• 16:35
  on
• 16:36
  Aaron
• 16:36
  Rodgers.
• 16:37
  And
• 16:37
  people
• 16:37
  may
• 16:38
  not
• 16:38
  realize
• 16:39
  this.
• 16:39
  Ian,
• 16:40
  I
• 16:40
  was
• 16:40
  kind
• 16:40
  of
• 16:41
  fascinated
• 16:41
  by
• 16:41
  it.
• 16:43
  The
• 16:43
  details
• 16:44
  of
• 16:45
  Aaron's
• 16:46
  grandfather,
• 16:47
  who
• 16:47
  actually
• 16:48
  was
• 16:48
  a
• 16:49
  hero
• 16:49
  in
• 16:49
  world
• 16:49
  war
• 16:50
  two.
• 16:51
  Yeah,
• 16:52
  he
• 16:52
  was
• 16:52
  an
• 16:52
  amazing
• 16:53
  b
• 16:53
  24
• 16:54
  combat
• 16:55
  pilot,
• 16:56
  and
• 16:56
  he
• 16:57
  flew
• 16:57
  44
• 16:57
  missions
• 16:58
  against
• 16:58
  Nazi
• 16:59
  Germany
• 16:59
  and
• 16:59
  occupied
• 17:00
  territories.
• 17:01
  Yeah,
• 17:02
  he
• 17:02
  was
• 17:03
  at
• 17:03
  St.
• 17:03
  Patrick's
• 17:04
  Day
• 17:04
  in
• 17:04
  1944.
• 17:06
  His
• 17:06
  plane
• 17:06
  was
• 17:07
  bullet
• 17:07
  ridden
• 17:08
  and
• 17:08
  on
• 17:08
  fire,
• 17:09
  and
• 17:09
  the
• 17:10
  rest
• 17:10
  of
• 17:10
  his
• 17:10
  squadron
• 17:10
  had
• 17:11
  peeled
• 17:11
  off
• 17:11
  to
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  next
• 17:12
  stage
• 17:12
  of
• 17:12
  their
• 17:13
  assignment,
• 17:14
  which
• 17:14
  was
• 17:14
  protocol.
• 17:15
  And
• 17:15
  so
• 17:16
  he
• 17:16
  said,
• 17:16
  I
• 17:17
  was
• 17:17
  all
• 17:17
  alone
• 17:17
  over
• 17:17
  Germany.
• 17:18
  It
• 17:18
  was
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  loneliest
• 17:19
  feeling
• 17:19
  in
• 17:19
  the
• 17:19
  world.
• 17:19
  And
• 17:20
  somehow
• 17:21
  he
• 17:21
  saved
• 17:21
  that
• 17:22
  burning
• 17:22
  plane
• 17:23
  and
• 17:23
  got
• 17:23
  it
• 17:23
  back
• 17:24
  to
• 17:24
  the
• 17:24
  american
• 17:24
  base
• 17:25
  in
• 17:25
  Italy,
• 17:25
  saving
• 17:26
  eleven
• 17:26
  lives,
• 17:27
  including
• 17:27
  his
• 17:28
  own.
• 17:28
  When
• 17:29
  he
• 17:29
  was
• 17:29
  shot
• 17:29
  down
• 17:29
  on
• 17:29
  his
• 17:30
  44th
• 17:30
  mission,
• 17:32
  he
• 17:32
  actually
• 17:33
  navigated
• 17:34
  his
• 17:34
  b
• 17:34
  24
• 17:35
  away
• 17:35
  from
• 17:35
  other
• 17:35
  american
• 17:36
  planes
• 17:36
  because
• 17:36
  he
• 17:37
  was
• 17:37
  afraid
• 17:37
  his
• 17:37
  plane
• 17:37
  was
• 17:38
  going
• 17:38
  to
• 17:38
  blow
• 17:38
  up
• 17:39
  and
• 17:39
  he
• 17:39
  didn't
• 17:39
  want
• 17:39
  to
• 17:40
  kill
• 17:40
  anyone
• 17:41
  else
• 17:41
  on
• 17:42
  another
• 17:42
  plane.
• 17:43
  That's
• 17:43
  the
• 17:43
  definition
• 17:44
  of
• 17:44
  a
• 17:44
  hero.
• 17:45
  And
• 17:45
  that's
• 17:45
  why
• 17:46
  he's
• 17:46
  buried
• 17:47
  today
• 17:47
  in
• 17:47
  Arlington
• 17:47
  National
• 17:48
  Cemetery.
• 17:49
  He
• 17:49
  was
• 17:49
  an
• 17:49
  amazing
• 17:50
  combat
• 17:50
  pilot.
• 17:50
  He
• 17:51
  was
• 17:51
  beaten
• 17:52
  and
• 17:52
  mistreated
• 17:52
  as
• 17:53
  a
• 17:53
  POW.
• 17:54
  He
• 17:54
  endured
• 17:55
  that,
• 17:55
  survived
• 17:56
  it.
• 17:57
  And,
• 17:57
  yeah,
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  was
• 17:58
  fortunate
• 17:59
  enough
• 17:59
  to
• 18:00
  meet
• 18:00
  a
• 18:00
  gentleman
• 18:01
  named
• 18:01
  Dan
• 18:01
  Matthews
• 18:02
  in
• 18:02
  Minneapolis
• 18:03
  who
• 18:03
  was
• 18:04
  a
• 18:04
  war
• 18:05
  records
• 18:05
  expert,
• 18:06
  and
• 18:06
  we
• 18:06
  were
• 18:06
  able
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  detail
• 18:08
  all
• 18:08
  44
• 18:09
  missions
• 18:09
  that
• 18:10
  Edward
• 18:10
  Rogers
• 18:11
  flew.
• 18:11
  And
• 18:12
  it's
• 18:12
  a
• 18:12
  story
• 18:12
  that
• 18:12
  had
• 18:13
  never
• 18:13
  been
• 18:13
  told.
• 18:13
  So
• 18:14
  that's.
• 18:15
  Listen,
• 18:15
  I
• 18:15
  think
• 18:15
  when
• 18:15
  you're
• 18:16
  an
• 18:16
  author
• 18:16
  and
• 18:16
  you
• 18:16
  have
• 18:16
  a
• 18:17
  chance
• 18:17
  to
• 18:17
  write
• 18:17
  about
• 18:17
  one
• 18:18
  of
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  greatest
• 18:18
  members
• 18:18
  of
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  greatest
• 18:19
  generation,
• 18:19
  you
• 18:20
  take
• 18:20
  it.
• 18:20
  That's
• 18:20
  one,
• 18:21
  two.
• 18:21
  There's
• 18:22
  been
• 18:22
  a
• 18:22
  lot
• 18:22
  of
• 18:22
  negativity
• 18:23
  around
• 18:23
  Aaron
• 18:23
  Rodgers
• 18:24
  and
• 18:24
  his
• 18:24
  family
• 18:24
  over
• 18:25
  the
• 18:25
  last
• 18:25
  ten
• 18:25
  years.
• 18:26
  I
• 18:26
  thought
• 18:26
  it
• 18:27
  would
• 18:27
  be
• 18:27
  nice
• 18:27
  to
• 18:27
  open
• 18:27
  the
• 18:28
  book
• 18:28
  with
• 18:28
  a
• 18:28
  positive
• 18:29
  story
• 18:29
  about
• 18:29
  his
• 18:29
  family's
• 18:30
  legacy.
• 18:30
  And
• 18:30
  that's
• 18:30
  what
• 18:30
  I
• 18:31
  did.
• 18:31
  Yeah.
• 18:32
  Outstanding.
• 18:33
  Very
• 18:34
  good.
• 18:34
  Way
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  go.
• 18:34
  That's
• 18:35
  for
• 18:35
  sure.
• 18:35
  Ian.
• 18:36
  Now,
• 18:37
  the
• 18:38
  2005
• 18:39
  NFL
• 18:39
  draft,
• 18:41
  his
• 18:41
  now
• 18:42
  famous
• 18:42
  plunge.
• 18:43
  During
• 18:43
  that
• 18:44
  draft,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  mentioned
• 18:46
  that
• 18:47
  in
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  book,
• 18:48
  and
• 18:48
  you
• 18:49
  were
• 18:49
  able
• 18:49
  to
• 18:49
  speak
• 18:49
  with
• 18:50
  Aaron's
• 18:50
  agent
• 18:51
  at
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  time,
• 18:52
  who
• 18:53
  Aaron
• 18:53
  later
• 18:54
  fired.
• 18:56
  Yeah,
• 18:56
  Mike
• 18:57
  Sullivan,
• 18:58
  who
• 18:58
  did
• 18:58
  a
• 18:59
  good
• 18:59
  job
• 19:00
  up
• 19:00
  until
• 19:00
  the
• 19:01
  point
• 19:01
  where
• 19:01
  Aaron
• 19:02
  fell
• 19:02
  in
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  draft
• 19:03
  from
• 19:04
  one
• 19:04
  to
• 19:04
  24,
• 19:05
  and
• 19:06
  so
• 19:06
  he
• 19:07
  wanted
• 19:07
  to
• 19:07
  play
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  49
• 19:08
  ers,
• 19:08
  had
• 19:09
  the
• 19:09
  first
• 19:09
  pick.
• 19:09
  That
• 19:10
  was
• 19:10
  Aaron's
• 19:10
  childhood
• 19:11
  team.
• 19:11
  He
• 19:12
  dreamed
• 19:12
  of
• 19:12
  being
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  next
• 19:13
  Joe
• 19:13
  Montana
• 19:13
  and
• 19:13
  Steve
• 19:14
  Young.
• 19:14
  They
• 19:14
  were
• 19:14
  his
• 19:14
  football
• 19:15
  heroes
• 19:16
  up
• 19:16
  until
• 19:16
  about,
• 19:17
  I
• 19:17
  don't
• 19:17
  know,
• 19:17
  ten
• 19:17
  days.
• 19:18
  Two
• 19:18
  weeks
• 19:18
  before
• 19:18
  the
• 19:18
  draft,
• 19:19
  it
• 19:19
  looked
• 19:19
  like
• 19:19
  Aaron
• 19:20
  would
• 19:20
  go
• 19:20
  number
• 19:20
  one.
• 19:20
  Then
• 19:21
  all
• 19:21
  of
• 19:21
  a
• 19:21
  sudden,
• 19:21
  they
• 19:21
  fell
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  love.
• 19:23
  More
• 19:23
  so,
• 19:23
  anyway,
• 19:24
  with
• 19:24
  Alex
• 19:24
  Smith
• 19:25
  of
• 19:25
  Utah,
• 19:26
  and
• 19:26
  he
• 19:26
  became
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  pick.
• 19:27
  And
• 19:27
  then
• 19:28
  John
• 19:28
  Gruden,
• 19:29
  basically,
• 19:29
  and
• 19:30
  Gruden
• 19:30
  was
• 19:30
  with
• 19:30
  Tampa
• 19:31
  Bay
• 19:31
  at
• 19:31
  the
• 19:31
  time.
• 19:31
  They
• 19:31
  had
• 19:31
  the
• 19:32
  fifth
• 19:32
  pick.
• 19:32
  He
• 19:32
  basically
• 19:33
  told
• 19:33
  Aaron
• 19:33
  Rodgers
• 19:34
  they
• 19:34
  would
• 19:34
  take
• 19:34
  him
• 19:34
  at
• 19:34
  number
• 19:35
  five.
• 19:35
  He
• 19:35
  was
• 19:35
  there.
• 19:36
  Then
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  didn't
• 19:37
  happen.
• 19:37
  And
• 19:38
  so
• 19:39
  he
• 19:39
  ends
• 19:39
  up
• 19:39
  with
• 19:39
  Green
• 19:40
  Bay,
• 19:40
  which,
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  course,
• 19:41
  already
• 19:41
  had
• 19:41
  Brett
• 19:41
  Favre,
• 19:42
  who
• 19:42
  still
• 19:42
  had
• 19:42
  some
• 19:42
  years
• 19:43
  left,
• 19:43
  and
• 19:44
  nobody
• 19:44
  saw
• 19:44
  that
• 19:45
  coming.
• 19:45
  So
• 19:46
  that
• 19:47
  was
• 19:49
  a
• 19:49
  wild
• 19:49
  and
• 19:49
  crazy
• 19:50
  experience
• 19:50
  for
• 19:51
  Rogers.
• 19:51
  I
• 19:52
  guess
• 19:52
  it
• 19:52
  was
• 19:52
  a
• 19:52
  blessing
• 19:52
  in
• 19:52
  disguise,
• 19:53
  given
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  career
• 19:54
  he
• 19:54
  had
• 19:54
  with
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  packers.
• 19:55
  But
• 19:55
  the
• 19:55
  fans
• 19:56
  booed
• 19:56
  him
• 19:57
  when
• 19:57
  he
• 19:57
  was
• 19:57
  drafted.
• 19:58
  They
• 19:58
  did
• 19:59
  not
• 19:59
  need
• 19:59
  a
• 19:59
  quarterback
• 19:59
  in
• 20:00
  their
• 20:00
  eyes.
• 20:00
  They
• 20:00
  had
• 20:00
  holes
• 20:01
  on
• 20:01
  the
• 20:01
  roster
• 20:01
  that
• 20:01
  needed
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  be
• 20:02
  filled.
• 20:03
  Brett
• 20:03
  Favre
• 20:04
  still
• 20:04
  had
• 20:04
  a
• 20:04
  few
• 20:04
  good
• 20:05
  years
• 20:05
  left,
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  so
• 20:06
  he
• 20:07
  was
• 20:07
  a
• 20:07
  very
• 20:07
  unpopular
• 20:08
  pick.
• 20:09
  He
• 20:09
  was
• 20:09
  not
• 20:09
  treated
• 20:10
  in
• 20:11
  a
• 20:11
  neighborly
• 20:11
  way
• 20:11
  at
• 20:11
  all
• 20:12
  by
• 20:12
  Brett
• 20:12
  Favre.
• 20:13
  So
• 20:13
  he
• 20:13
  had
• 20:13
  to
• 20:14
  overcome
• 20:14
  a
• 20:14
  lot
• 20:15
  to
• 20:15
  build
• 20:15
  that
• 20:16
  first
• 20:16
  ballot
• 20:16
  hall
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  Fame
• 20:17
  career.
• 20:17
  And
• 20:17
  again,
• 20:18
  I
• 20:18
  think
• 20:18
  it's
• 20:18
  something
• 20:18
  he
• 20:19
  doesn't
• 20:19
  get
• 20:19
  enough
• 20:19
  credit
• 20:19
  for.
• 20:21
  Okay,
• 20:22
  understood.
• 20:22
  Now,
• 20:23
  we
• 20:23
  spoke
• 20:23
  earlier
• 20:24
  about
• 20:24
  the
• 20:24
  Achilles
• 20:25
  injury,
• 20:25
  Ian,
• 20:26
  and
• 20:28
  what
• 20:28
  you
• 20:28
  bring
• 20:29
  out
• 20:29
  is
• 20:29
  new
• 20:29
  details
• 20:30
  about
• 20:30
  the
• 20:31
  rehab
• 20:31
  that
• 20:31
  he
• 20:32
  had
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  go
• 20:32
  through
• 20:34
  and
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  self
• 20:35
  doubt
• 20:35
  and
• 20:37
  all
• 20:37
  the
• 20:37
  things
• 20:38
  involved
• 20:38
  in
• 20:39
  that.
• 20:39
  Tell
• 20:39
  us
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  little
• 20:40
  bit
• 20:40
  more
• 20:40
  about
• 20:41
  the
• 20:41
  rehab
• 20:41
  that
• 20:42
  he
• 20:43
  withstood.
• 20:44
  Yeah,
• 20:45
  as
• 20:45
  I
• 20:45
  mentioned
• 20:45
  earlier,
• 20:45
  Bill,
• 20:46
  Aaron
• 20:46
  Alexander,
• 20:47
  his
• 20:47
  personal
• 20:48
  trainer,
• 20:48
  said
• 20:48
  that,
• 20:49
  man,
• 20:49
  that
• 20:50
  those
• 20:50
  first
• 20:51
  weeks
• 20:51
  were
• 20:51
  brutal.
• 20:52
  Really.
• 20:53
  Aaron
• 20:53
  had
• 20:53
  a
• 20:54
  lot
• 20:54
  of
• 20:54
  doubt
• 20:55
  about
• 20:55
  whether
• 20:55
  or
• 20:55
  not
• 20:55
  he
• 20:55
  could
• 20:56
  ever
• 20:56
  play
• 20:56
  again.
• 20:56
  Just
• 20:57
  the
• 20:57
  people
• 20:57
  he
• 20:57
  let
• 20:57
  down
• 20:58
  with
• 20:58
  the
• 20:58
  jets.
• 20:58
  He
• 20:58
  wasn't
• 20:59
  sure
• 20:59
  if
• 20:59
  the
• 20:59
  jets
• 20:59
  would
• 21:00
  move
• 21:00
  on
• 21:01
  and
• 21:01
  not
• 21:02
  bring
• 21:02
  him
• 21:02
  back
• 21:02
  or
• 21:03
  not
• 21:03
  want
• 21:03
  to
• 21:03
  bring
• 21:03
  him
• 21:04
  back,
• 21:04
  which
• 21:04
  is
• 21:04
  hard
• 21:04
  to
• 21:04
  believe.
• 21:06
  And
• 21:06
  it's
• 21:07
  stem
• 21:07
  cell
• 21:07
  treatments
• 21:08
  and
• 21:08
  red
• 21:09
  light
• 21:09
  therapy
• 21:09
  and
• 21:10
  ozone
• 21:10
  wraps
• 21:11
  and
• 21:12
  hyperbaric
• 21:13
  chambers.
• 21:13
  They
• 21:14
  just
• 21:14
  did
• 21:14
  so
• 21:14
  much
• 21:15
  constant
• 21:15
  work
• 21:16
  on
• 21:16
  that
• 21:16
  leg
• 21:17
  to
• 21:17
  get
• 21:18
  it
• 21:18
  back,
• 21:18
  and
• 21:18
  they
• 21:18
  did
• 21:19
  get
• 21:19
  it
• 21:19
  back.
• 21:19
  Now,
• 21:19
  you
• 21:20
  see
• 21:20
  him
• 21:20
  today.
• 21:21
  He's
• 21:21
  not
• 21:21
  as
• 21:21
  mobile
• 21:22
  as
• 21:22
  he
• 21:22
  used
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  be,
• 21:22
  but
• 21:23
  in
• 21:23
  part,
• 21:23
  that's
• 21:23
  just
• 21:24
  due
• 21:24
  to
• 21:24
  age.
• 21:25
  But
• 21:25
  against
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  Patriots
• 21:26
  and
• 21:26
  that
• 21:27
  home
• 21:27
  opener,
• 21:27
  he
• 21:27
  looked
• 21:28
  really
• 21:28
  mobile
• 21:28
  and
• 21:29
  looked
• 21:29
  great.
• 21:29
  He
• 21:29
  was
• 21:29
  moving
• 21:30
  around
• 21:30
  and
• 21:30
  making
• 21:31
  plays
• 21:31
  with
• 21:31
  his
• 21:31
  feet
• 21:32
  and
• 21:32
  throwing
• 21:34
  accurate
• 21:34
  passes
• 21:34
  on
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  run.
• 21:37
  He
• 21:38
  went
• 21:38
  through
• 21:38
  a
• 21:38
  lot
• 21:39
  just
• 21:39
  to
• 21:39
  be
• 21:39
  able
• 21:39
  to
• 21:40
  play
• 21:40
  again.
• 21:40
  I'm
• 21:40
  not
• 21:40
  sure
• 21:41
  every
• 21:41
  39
• 21:42
  year
• 21:42
  old,
• 21:43
  40
• 21:43
  year
• 21:43
  old
• 21:43
  would
• 21:43
  have
• 21:44
  done
• 21:44
  that,
• 21:45
  but
• 21:45
  he
• 21:45
  had
• 21:46
  something
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  prove
• 21:46
  and
• 21:47
  he
• 21:47
  felt
• 21:47
  like
• 21:47
  if
• 21:47
  he
• 21:47
  could
• 21:48
  win
• 21:48
  a
• 21:48
  championship
• 21:48
  with
• 21:48
  the
• 21:49
  jets,
• 21:49
  that
• 21:49
  would
• 21:49
  do
• 21:49
  so
• 21:50
  much
• 21:50
  to
• 21:50
  enhance
• 21:50
  his
• 21:51
  legacy.
• 21:52
  That's
• 21:52
  why
• 21:53
  he
• 21:53
  forced
• 21:53
  the
• 21:54
  issue
• 21:54
  and
• 21:54
  made
• 21:54
  it
• 21:54
  back.
• 21:55
  Now,
• 21:55
  again,
• 21:55
  it
• 21:55
  doesn't
• 21:56
  look
• 21:56
  like
• 21:56
  a
• 21:56
  two
• 21:57
  three
• 21:58
  that
• 21:58
  they're
• 21:58
  a
• 21:58
  viable
• 22:00
  team
• 22:00
  in
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  Super
• 22:00
  bowl
• 22:01
  conversation,
• 22:01
  but
• 22:02
  we
• 22:02
  all
• 22:02
  know
• 22:02
  that
• 22:02
  things
• 22:03
  change
• 22:03
  quickly
• 22:03
  in
• 22:03
  the
• 22:03
  NFL.
• 22:04
  One
• 22:05
  or
• 22:05
  two
• 22:05
  wins,
• 22:06
  if
• 22:06
  they
• 22:06
  can
• 22:06
  get
• 22:07
  a
• 22:07
  hot
• 22:07
  streak
• 22:07
  going
• 22:08
  all
• 22:08
  of
• 22:08
  a
• 22:08
  sudden,
• 22:09
  a
• 22:09
  lot
• 22:09
  of
• 22:09
  this
• 22:10
  uneven
• 22:11
  play
• 22:12
  over
• 22:12
  the
• 22:12
  first
• 22:12
  five
• 22:13
  weeks
• 22:13
  could
• 22:13
  fade
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  black.
• 22:15
  So
• 22:15
  they
• 22:16
  need
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  win
• 22:16
  next
• 22:17
  Monday
• 22:17
  night.
• 22:17
  If
• 22:17
  they
• 22:18
  do
• 22:18
  that
• 22:18
  again,
• 22:18
  they're
• 22:18
  in
• 22:19
  first
• 22:19
  place
• 22:19
  and
• 22:20
  they
• 22:20
  can
• 22:20
  try
• 22:20
  to
• 22:20
  go
• 22:21
  on
• 22:21
  a
• 22:21
  run.
• 22:21
  But
• 22:21
  if
• 22:22
  that
• 22:22
  doesn't
• 22:22
  happen,
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  think
• 22:23
  a
• 22:23
  major
• 22:23
  change
• 22:24
  needs
• 22:24
  to
• 22:24
  be
• 22:24
  made.
• 22:25
  And
• 22:25
  we
• 22:25
  will
• 22:26
  see
• 22:26
  if
• 22:26
  that
• 22:26
  will
• 22:26
  happen.
• 22:28
  I
• 22:28
  know
• 22:28
  you
• 22:28
  have
• 22:29
  to
• 22:29
  get
• 22:29
  going.
• 22:29
  I
• 22:30
  thank
• 22:30
  you
• 22:30
  for
• 22:30
  spending
• 22:31
  some
• 22:31
  time
• 22:31
  with
• 22:31
  us
• 22:31
  here
• 22:32
  at
• 22:32
  sports
• 22:32
  talk
• 22:32
  New
• 22:33
  York.
• 22:33
  Been
• 22:33
  a
• 22:34
  pleasure
• 22:34
  speaking
• 22:34
  with
• 22:35
  you
• 22:35
  again,
• 22:35
  folks.
• 22:36
  The
• 22:36
  book
• 22:36
  is
• 22:37
  titled
• 22:37
  out
• 22:37
  of
• 22:38
  the
• 22:38
  darkness,
• 22:38
  the
• 22:39
  Mystery
• 22:39
  of
• 22:40
  Aaron
• 22:40
  Rodgers.
• 22:40
  It's
• 22:41
  from
• 22:41
  HarperCollins
• 22:42
  and
• 22:42
  it's
• 22:42
  available
• 22:43
  wherever
• 22:43
  you
• 22:44
  get
• 22:44
  your
• 22:44
  books,
• 22:44
  Barnes
• 22:45
  and
• 22:45
  Noble,
• 22:46
  Amazon,
• 22:47
  and
• 22:48
  you'll
• 22:48
  really
• 22:49
  enjoy
• 22:49
  it.
• 22:50
  Brings
• 22:50
  out
• 22:51
  some
• 22:51
  great
• 22:52
  facts
• 22:52
  and
• 22:53
  some
• 22:53
  great
• 22:53
  stories,
• 22:55
  great
• 22:55
  interviews
• 22:56
  with
• 22:57
  folks
• 22:58
  involved
• 22:59
  with
• 22:59
  Aaron
• 22:59
  Rodgers.
• 23:00
  A
• 23:00
  great
• 23:00
  job
• 23:01
  by
• 23:01
  Ian
• 23:01
  O'Connor.
• 23:02
  Thanks
• 23:02
  again,
• 23:03
  Ian,
• 23:03
  and
• 23:04
  all
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  best
• 23:04
  with
• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
  book.
• 23:06
  Bill,
• 23:07
  it
• 23:07
  was
• 23:07
  my
• 23:07
  pleasure.
• 23:07
  Thanks
• 23:08
  so
• 23:08
  much
• 23:08
  for
• 23:08
  having
• 23:08
  me
• 23:08
  on.
• 23:09
  That
• 23:09
  is
• 23:09
  Ian
• 23:10
  O'Connor,
• 23:10
  ladies
• 23:11
  and
• 23:11
  gentlemen.
• 23:11
  Well,
• 23:12
  I
• 23:12
  just
• 23:12
  want
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  talk
• 23:12
  to
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  folks
• 23:13
  quick
• 23:14
  much
• 23:14
  been
• 23:14
  happening
• 23:15
  this
• 23:16
  week
• 23:16
  in
• 23:16
  the
• 23:16
  world
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  sports.
• 23:17
  We
• 23:17
  have
• 23:18
  playoff
• 23:19
  baseball,
• 23:20
  which
• 23:20
  as
• 23:20
  Ian
• 23:20
  and
• 23:21
  I
• 23:21
  were
• 23:21
  just
• 23:21
  speaking,
• 23:21
  we
• 23:22
  had
• 23:22
  to
• 23:22
  withstand
• 23:24
  another
• 23:24
  grueling
• 23:25
  Mets
• 23:25
  game
• 23:26
  today,
• 23:26
  ended
• 23:27
  up
• 23:27
  losing
• 23:27
  to
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  Phillies.
• 23:28
  The
• 23:28
  series
• 23:29
  tied
• 23:29
  one
• 23:29
  one
• 23:30
  moves
• 23:30
  back
• 23:30
  to
• 23:31
  Citi
• 23:31
  Field
• 23:31
  this
• 23:32
  week.
• 23:33
  The
• 23:33
  series
• 23:34
  against
• 23:34
  Milwaukee
• 23:35
  was
• 23:35
  just
• 23:35
  unbelievable
• 23:37
  with
• 23:37
  Pete
• 23:37
  Alonso's
• 23:38
  home
• 23:38
  run
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  get
• 23:39
  the
• 23:40
  Mets
• 23:40
  out
• 23:40
  of
• 23:40
  that
• 23:42
  game
• 23:42
  one
• 23:42
  against
• 23:43
  the
• 23:43
  Phillies
• 23:44
  yesterday,
• 23:45
  Zach
• 23:46
  Wheeler
• 23:46
  had
• 23:46
  him
• 23:47
  on
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  ropes.
• 23:49
  Rob
• 23:49
  Thompson
• 23:50
  removed
• 23:50
  him.
• 23:50
  The
• 23:50
  Mets
• 23:51
  put
• 23:51
  it
• 23:51
  in
• 23:51
  gear
• 23:51
  against
• 23:52
  the
• 23:52
  bullpen
• 23:52
  and
• 23:53
  took
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  game
• 23:54
  despite
• 23:55
  the
• 23:55
  Fox
• 23:56
  broadcasters
• 23:57
  orgasmic
• 23:59
  almost
• 24:00
  with
• 24:00
  the
• 24:00
  Phillies.
• 24:02
  I
• 24:02
  don't
• 24:02
  know
• 24:03
  how
• 24:03
  you
• 24:03
  folks
• 24:03
  feel,
• 24:04
  but
• 24:04
  they
• 24:04
  certainly
• 24:05
  seem
• 24:05
  like
• 24:06
  they're
• 24:06
  on
• 24:06
  the
• 24:06
  side
• 24:07
  of
• 24:07
  the
• 24:07
  Phillies.
• 24:07
  And
• 24:08
  it's
• 24:08
  quite
• 24:08
  obvious
• 24:09
  to
• 24:09
  me
• 24:10
  the
• 24:11
  Philly
• 24:11
  fans
• 24:12
  would
• 24:13
  boo.
• 24:13
  As
• 24:13
  I
• 24:14
  said
• 24:15
  to
• 24:15
  Ian
• 24:15
  O'Connor,
• 24:16
  they'd
• 24:17
  boo
• 24:17
  their
• 24:17
  mother,
• 24:18
  if
• 24:18
  she
• 24:19
  came
• 24:19
  up
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  plate,
• 24:20
  they
• 24:20
  would
• 24:21
  boo
• 24:21
  the
• 24:22
  Easter
• 24:22
  bunny,
• 24:23
  Santa
• 24:24
  Claus
• 24:24
  and
• 24:25
  a
• 24:25
  parade
• 24:25
  of
• 24:25
  armless
• 24:26
  war
• 24:26
  veterans.
• 24:27
  I
• 24:27
  think
• 24:28
  they
• 24:28
  are
• 24:28
  absolutely
• 24:29
  brutal
• 24:29
  down
• 24:30
  there
• 24:30
  in
• 24:30
  the
• 24:31
  city
• 24:31
  of
• 24:31
  brotherly
• 24:32
  love.
• 24:32
  By
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  way,
• 24:33
  today
• 24:34
  we
• 24:34
  had
• 24:35
  NFL,
• 24:36
  London,
• 24:36
  the
• 24:36
  Jets
• 24:37
  in
• 24:37
  Minnesota,
• 24:38
  as
• 24:38
  we
• 24:38
  said,
• 24:38
  Aaron
• 24:39
  Rodgers,
• 24:39
  tough
• 24:40
  loss
• 24:40
  to
• 24:41
  former
• 24:41
  Jet
• 24:41
  quarterback
• 24:42
  Sam
• 24:42
  Darnold
• 24:43
  and
• 24:43
  the
• 24:43
  Vikings
• 24:44
  at
• 24:44
  Tottenham
• 24:44
  Hotspur
• 24:45
  Stadium.
• 24:46
  Just
• 24:46
  a
• 24:46
  great
• 24:47
  way
• 24:47
  to
• 24:47
  start
• 24:47
  your
• 24:48
  day
• 24:48
  with
• 24:48
  breakfast
• 24:48
  with
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  jets
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  a
• 24:51
  nice
• 24:51
  serving
• 24:51
  of
• 24:52
  tums
• 24:53
  along
• 24:53
  with
• 24:53
  that.
• 24:55
  Some
• 24:55
  really
• 24:57
  shocking
• 24:57
  deaths
• 24:58
  this
• 24:58
  week
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  the
• 24:59
  world
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  sports,
• 25:00
  of
• 25:00
  course,
• 25:01
  Pete
• 25:01
  Rose.
• 25:02
  People
• 25:03
  say
• 25:03
  that
• 25:03
  Pete
• 25:04
  served
• 25:04
  his
• 25:04
  lifetime
• 25:05
  band
• 25:05
  now,
• 25:05
  so
• 25:06
  now
• 25:06
  they
• 25:06
  should
• 25:06
  let
• 25:06
  him
• 25:07
  in
• 25:07
  the
• 25:07
  hall
• 25:07
  of
• 25:07
  Fame.
• 25:08
  We'll
• 25:08
  be
• 25:09
  talking
• 25:09
  about
• 25:09
  that
• 25:10
  coming
• 25:10
  up
• 25:10
  on
• 25:11
  some
• 25:11
  future
• 25:11
  shows.
• 25:12
  The
• 25:13
  hit
• 25:13
  king
• 25:14
  dead
• 25:14
  at
• 25:14
  83.
• 25:15
  Shocking
• 25:16
  after
• 25:16
  he
• 25:17
  was
• 25:17
  just
• 25:17
  at
• 25:17
  a
• 25:17
  card
• 25:17
  show
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  day
• 25:18
  before
• 25:19
  signing
• 25:20
  autographs.
• 25:20
  And
• 25:22
  again,
• 25:23
  Pete
• 25:23
  Rose,
• 25:24
  4256
• 25:26
  hits.
• 25:27
  Not
• 25:27
  in
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  hall
• 25:27
  of
• 25:28
  Fame.
• 25:28
  Also,
• 25:29
  Dikembe
• 25:29
  Mutombo,
• 25:30
  Basketball
• 25:31
  hall
• 25:31
  of
• 25:31
  Famer,
• 25:32
  passed
• 25:32
  away
• 25:33
  from
• 25:34
  brain
• 25:34
  cancer.
• 25:35
  A
• 25:35
  horrible
• 25:36
  story.
• 25:37
  He
• 25:38
  was
• 25:38
  just
• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
  great
• 25:39
  humanitarian
• 25:40
  to
• 25:41
  his
• 25:41
  native
• 25:42
  Congo.
• 25:43
  He's
• 25:43
  been
• 25:43
  a
• 25:43
  guest
• 25:44
  on
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  show
• 25:44
  and
• 25:45
  we
• 25:45
  loved
• 25:45
  having
• 25:46
  him
• 25:46
  with
• 25:46
  us,
• 25:47
  regaling
• 25:48
  us
• 25:48
  with
• 25:48
  stories
• 25:50
  of
• 25:50
  the
• 25:50
  great
• 25:51
  things
• 25:51
  he's
• 25:51
  done
• 25:51
  in
• 25:52
  his
• 25:52
  native
• 25:52
  Congo.
• 25:53
  Building
• 25:53
  schools,
• 25:54
  building
• 25:55
  hospitals
• 25:56
  and
• 25:57
  just
• 25:57
  doing
• 25:58
  some
• 25:58
  great
• 25:58
  things.
• 25:58
  That
• 25:59
  man
• 25:59
  and
• 26:00
  his
• 26:00
  foundation
• 26:01
  will
• 26:02
  live
• 26:02
  on.
• 26:02
  But
• 26:03
  Dikembe
• 26:04
  will
• 26:04
  be
• 26:04
  sorely
• 26:05
  missed.
• 26:06
  We
• 26:06
  also
• 26:06
  lost
• 26:07
  Ozzy
• 26:07
  Virgil
• 26:07
  Sr.
• 26:08
  Who
• 26:09
  was
• 26:09
  the
• 26:10
  first
• 26:10
  player
• 26:10
  born
• 26:11
  in
• 26:11
  the
• 26:11
  Dominican
• 26:12
  Republic
• 26:13
  to
• 26:13
  play
• 26:13
  in
• 26:13
  Major
• 26:14
  League
• 26:14
  Baseball.
• 26:15
  The
• 26:15
  first
• 26:16
  black
• 26:16
  player
• 26:16
  for
• 26:17
  the
• 26:17
  Detroit
• 26:17
  Tigers.
• 26:18
  Really?
• 26:19
  He
• 26:19
  was
• 26:19
  their
• 26:20
  first
• 26:20
  latino
• 26:21
  player
• 26:22
  on
• 26:22
  Detroit.
• 26:23
  Detroit,
• 26:23
  who
• 26:23
  was
• 26:24
  one
• 26:24
  of
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  last
• 26:24
  teams
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  integrate.
• 26:26
  Of
• 26:26
  course,
• 26:27
  the
• 26:27
  last
• 26:27
  team
• 26:29
  integrating
• 26:29
  was
• 26:30
  the
• 26:30
  Boston
• 26:30
  Red
• 26:31
  Sox
• 26:32
  with
• 26:32
  the
• 26:33
  immortal
• 26:34
  Pomsy
• 26:34
  Green,
• 26:34
  who
• 26:35
  also
• 26:35
  played
• 26:35
  with
• 26:35
  the
• 26:35
  Mets,
• 26:36
  was
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  first
• 26:37
  African
• 26:38
  American
• 26:38
  on
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  Boston
• 26:40
  Red
• 26:40
  Sox.
• 26:41
  We
• 26:41
  also
• 26:42
  lost
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  great
• 26:43
  quarterback
• 26:44
  for
• 26:44
  the
• 26:44
  Detroit
• 26:45
  Lions
• 26:45
  in
• 26:45
  the
• 26:46
  seventies,
• 26:46
  Greg
• 26:47
  Landry.
• 26:48
  People
• 26:48
  may
• 26:48
  not
• 26:49
  remember
• 26:49
  him,
• 26:49
  but
• 26:49
  if
• 26:49
  you
• 26:50
  google
• 26:50
  Greg,
• 26:51
  an
• 26:51
  interesting
• 26:52
  career
• 26:52
  did
• 26:52
  he
• 26:53
  have.
• 26:54
  Also
• 26:55
  notable
• 26:55
  as
• 26:55
  a
• 26:56
  rusher,
• 26:56
  a
• 26:56
  great
• 26:56
  rusher
• 26:57
  for
• 26:57
  a
• 26:57
  quarterback.
• 26:58
  In
• 26:59
  the
• 26:59
  1970
• 27:00
  opener
• 27:01
  for
• 27:01
  the
• 27:01
  Lions
• 27:02
  at
• 27:03
  Green
• 27:03
  Bay,
• 27:03
  he
• 27:03
  ran
• 27:04
  for
• 27:04
  76
• 27:05
  yards
• 27:06
  on
• 27:06
  a
• 27:06
  quarterback
• 27:06
  sneak,
• 27:07
  which
• 27:07
  for
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  longest
• 27:09
  time
• 27:09
  was
• 27:10
  the
• 27:10
  longest
• 27:10
  rush
• 27:11
  by
• 27:11
  a
• 27:12
  quarterback
• 27:13
  in
• 27:13
  NFL
• 27:13
  history.
• 27:14
  And
• 27:15
  just
• 27:16
  some
• 27:16
  of
• 27:16
  the
• 27:16
  things
• 27:16
  happening
• 27:17
  this
• 27:17
  week
• 27:17
  in
• 27:17
  the
• 27:18
  world
• 27:18
  of
• 27:18
  sports.
• 27:20
  A
• 27:20
  great
• 27:20
  week
• 27:20
  for
• 27:21
  sports.
• 27:22
  A
• 27:22
  tragic
• 27:23
  and
• 27:23
  a
• 27:23
  sad
• 27:23
  week
• 27:24
  for
• 27:24
  sports.
• 27:25
  But
• 27:26
  we
• 27:26
  will
• 27:26
  move
• 27:27
  on.
• 27:27
  And
• 27:29
  if
• 27:29
  I
• 27:29
  missed
• 27:30
  anything,
• 27:31
  if
• 27:31
  I
• 27:31
  was
• 27:31
  remiss,
• 27:32
  if
• 27:32
  you
• 27:32
  think
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  anything
• 27:33
  that
• 27:33
  I
• 27:34
  missed,
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  can
• 27:34
  let
• 27:34
  me
• 27:35
  know.
• 27:35
  And
• 27:36
  I
• 27:36
  am
• 27:36
  sorry.
• 27:37
  Well,
• 27:38
  up
• 27:38
  next
• 27:38
  on
• 27:39
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• 27:39
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• 27:39
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• 27:39
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• 27:40
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• 27:40
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• 27:40
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• 27:40
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• 27:40
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• 27:41
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• 27:41
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• 27:41
  of
• 27:41
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• 27:42
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• 27:42
  future
• 27:43
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• 27:43
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• 27:43
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• 27:44
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• 27:44
  back
• 27:44
  of
• 27:45
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• 27:45
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• 27:45
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• 27:46
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• 27:46
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• 27:47
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• 27:47
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• 27:48
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• 29:32
  show.
• 29:37
  All
• 29:37
  right,
• 29:38
  we
• 29:38
  are
• 29:38
  back
• 29:38
  with
• 29:38
  sports
• 29:39
  talk
• 29:39
  New
• 29:39
  York
• 29:40
  on
• 29:40
  WGB
• 29:41
  here
• 29:42
  in
• 29:42
  Merrick,
• 29:42
  Long
• 29:43
  Island,
• 29:43
  New
• 29:43
  York.
• 29:44
  Thank
• 29:44
  you
• 29:44
  guys
• 29:45
  for
• 29:45
  stopping
• 29:45
  by
• 29:46
  and
• 29:46
  hanging
• 29:46
  with
• 29:46
  us
• 29:46
  for
• 29:46
  a
• 29:47
  while
• 29:47
  on
• 29:48
  this
• 29:48
  beautiful
• 29:49
  autumn
• 29:49
  Sunday
• 29:50
  evening
• 29:50
  here
• 29:51
  on
• 29:51
  Long
• 29:51
  island.
• 29:52
  We
• 29:52
  will
• 29:53
  keep
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  show
• 29:53
  rolling
• 29:54
  right
• 29:54
  along.
• 29:54
  Now
• 29:54
  our
• 29:55
  next
• 29:55
  guest.
• 29:55
  He
• 29:56
  is
• 29:56
  considered
• 29:57
  to
• 29:57
  be
• 29:57
  one
• 29:57
  of
• 29:57
  the
• 29:57
  greatest
• 29:58
  pass
• 29:58
  catching
• 29:59
  backs
• 30:00
  in
• 30:00
  NFL
• 30:01
  history.
• 30:01
  He
• 30:01
  was
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  five
• 30:02
  time
• 30:02
  Pro
• 30:03
  bowl
• 30:03
  selection
• 30:04
  and
• 30:04
  he's
• 30:04
  a
• 30:04
  member
• 30:05
  of
• 30:05
  the
• 30:05
  Vikings
• 30:06
  Ring
• 30:06
  of
• 30:06
  Honor.
• 30:07
  And
• 30:07
  he
• 30:07
  made
• 30:07
  the
• 30:08
  list
• 30:08
  compiled
• 30:08
  of
• 30:09
  the
• 30:09
  50
• 30:09
  greatest
• 30:10
  Vikings
• 30:10
  of
• 30:11
  all
• 30:11
  time.
• 30:11
  The
• 30:12
  storied
• 30:12
  franchise,
• 30:14
  the
• 30:14
  Minnesota
• 30:14
  Vikings,
• 30:15
  that
• 30:15
  we
• 30:15
  saw
• 30:16
  taking
• 30:16
  on
• 30:17
  the
• 30:17
  jets
• 30:17
  today
• 30:17
  at
• 30:17
  Tottenham
• 30:18
  Hotspur
• 30:18
  Stadium.
• 30:19
  My
• 30:19
  welcome
• 30:20
  to
• 30:20
  sports
• 30:20
  talk
• 30:21
  New
• 30:21
  York.
• 30:21
  Tonight,
• 30:22
  the
• 30:22
  spin
• 30:22
  doctor
• 30:23
  himself,
• 30:23
  Chuck
• 30:24
  Foreman.
• 30:24
  Chuck,
• 30:25
  good
• 30:25
  evening.
• 30:26
  Good
• 30:27
  evening.
• 30:27
  Nice
• 30:27
  speaking
• 30:28
  with
• 30:28
  you.
• 30:29
  Nice
• 30:29
  speaking
• 30:29
  with
• 30:29
  you.
• 30:29
  Chuck,
• 30:30
  I
• 30:30
  want
• 30:30
  to
• 30:30
  apologize
• 30:31
  to
• 30:31
  you
• 30:31
  right
• 30:32
  off
• 30:32
  the
• 30:32
  bat
• 30:32
  for
• 30:32
  the
• 30:32
  mix
• 30:33
  up
• 30:33
  in
• 30:33
  time.
• 30:35
  I
• 30:35
  couldn't
• 30:35
  respond
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  you
• 30:36
  right
• 30:37
  away.
• 30:37
  I
• 30:37
  was
• 30:37
  on
• 30:37
  the
• 30:38
  air.
• 30:38
  But
• 30:39
  I
• 30:39
  did
• 30:39
  get
• 30:40
  your
• 30:40
  text
• 30:41
  and
• 30:42
  I'm
• 30:42
  very
• 30:42
  sorry
• 30:43
  for
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  mix
• 30:43
  up
• 30:43
  in
• 30:43
  time.
• 30:45
  No
• 30:45
  problem
• 30:46
  whatsoever.
• 30:46
  I'm
• 30:47
  just
• 30:47
  the
• 30:47
  guy
• 30:47
  that's
• 30:47
  always
• 30:48
  on
• 30:48
  time.
• 30:48
  I
• 30:49
  get,
• 30:49
  you
• 30:51
  know,
• 30:51
  I
• 30:51
  just
• 30:51
  want
• 30:51
  to
• 30:51
  make
• 30:52
  sure
• 30:52
  I
• 30:52
  had
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  time
• 30:52
  right.
• 30:53
  So
• 30:53
  I
• 30:53
  was
• 30:53
  good.
• 30:54
  I'm
• 30:54
  good.
• 30:54
  No
• 30:55
  worries.
• 30:55
  Chuck,
• 30:55
  thanks
• 30:56
  so
• 30:56
  much
• 30:56
  for
• 30:56
  understanding.
• 30:57
  Now,
• 30:57
  Chuck,
• 30:58
  you
• 30:58
  grew
• 30:59
  up
• 30:59
  down
• 30:59
  in
• 30:59
  Frederick,
• 31:00
  Maryland.
• 31:01
  Who
• 31:01
  were
• 31:01
  your
• 31:02
  favorite
• 31:02
  teams
• 31:02
  and
• 31:03
  players
• 31:04
  as
• 31:04
  a
• 31:04
  young
• 31:05
  man
• 31:06
  back
• 31:06
  in
• 31:07
  those.
• 31:07
  Days,
• 31:07
  there
• 31:07
  was
• 31:07
  the
• 31:08
  Baltimore
• 31:08
  Colts,
• 31:09
  and
• 31:09
  there
• 31:09
  was
• 31:09
  the
• 31:09
  Western
• 31:10
  Redskins
• 31:11
  coach,
• 31:12
  the
• 31:13
  Baltimore
• 31:13
  bullets
• 31:13
  at
• 31:14
  the
• 31:14
  time,
• 31:14
  you
• 31:14
  know,
• 31:15
  the
• 31:15
  Pearl
• 31:15
  Monroe.
• 31:16
  Oh,
• 31:16
  yeah,
• 31:19
  and
• 31:19
  what's
• 31:20
  his
• 31:20
  name?
• 31:20
  Elvin
• 31:20
  Hayes,
• 31:21
  all
• 31:21
  those
• 31:21
  guys
• 31:22
  there.
• 31:22
  But
• 31:24
  the
• 31:24
  Baltimore
• 31:25
  Colts,
• 31:25
  of
• 31:25
  course,
• 31:25
  you
• 31:26
  know,
• 31:26
  when
• 31:26
  I
• 31:26
  was
• 31:26
  a
• 31:26
  younger
• 31:27
  guy,
• 31:27
  you
• 31:27
  know,
• 31:28
  they
• 31:28
  were
• 31:28
  the
• 31:29
  big
• 31:29
  time
• 31:29
  team
• 31:29
  in
• 31:30
  Washington
• 31:30
  Ritz.
• 31:30
  And,
• 31:32
  you
• 31:32
  know,
• 31:32
  we
• 31:33
  had
• 31:33
  Lennon,
• 31:33
  Bellenny
• 31:33
  Moore
• 31:34
  there
• 31:34
  at
• 31:34
  the
• 31:34
  Baltimore
• 31:35
  than
• 31:35
  they
• 31:35
  had
• 31:39
  receiver
• 31:40
  for
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  red
• 31:40
  Skins.
• 31:41
  I'll
• 31:41
  tell
• 31:41
  you
• 31:41
  in
• 31:41
  a
• 31:41
  minute.
• 31:42
  But
• 31:42
  anyway,
• 31:42
  Charlie
• 31:43
  Taylor.
• 31:43
  Charlie
• 31:44
  Taylor,
• 31:45
  of
• 31:45
  course,
• 31:45
  Charlie
• 31:46
  Taylor,
• 31:47
  Bobby
• 31:48
  Mitchell,
• 31:49
  you
• 31:49
  know,
• 31:49
  they
• 31:49
  had
• 31:50
  a
• 31:50
  whole
• 31:50
  bunch
• 31:50
  of
• 31:50
  great,
• 31:50
  great
• 31:51
  players
• 31:51
  that
• 31:51
  we
• 31:51
  got
• 31:52
  to
• 31:52
  look
• 31:52
  at
• 31:54
  when
• 31:54
  I
• 31:54
  was
• 31:55
  back
• 31:55
  in
• 31:56
  Maryland.
• 31:56
  And,
• 31:57
  you
• 31:57
  know,
• 31:58
  it
• 31:58
  was.
• 31:59
  And
• 32:00
  they
• 32:00
  come
• 32:00
  to
• 32:00
  find
• 32:01
  out,
• 32:01
  you
• 32:01
  know,
• 32:01
  my
• 32:02
  final,
• 32:02
  my
• 32:03
  high
• 32:03
  school
• 32:03
  coach
• 32:03
  was
• 32:04
  a
• 32:05
  really
• 32:05
  good
• 32:05
  friend
• 32:05
  of
• 32:06
  Lenny
• 32:06
  Morris.
• 32:06
  They
• 32:06
  went
• 32:06
  to
• 32:07
  Penn
• 32:07
  State
• 32:07
  together.
• 32:08
  So,
• 32:09
  you
• 32:09
  know,
• 32:09
  Lenny
• 32:09
  would
• 32:09
  come
• 32:10
  up
• 32:10
  to
• 32:10
  our
• 32:11
  high
• 32:11
  school
• 32:12
  banquets
• 32:12
  and
• 32:12
  he'd
• 32:13
  be
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  host,
• 32:13
  and,
• 32:14
  you
• 32:14
  know,
• 32:14
  so
• 32:15
  we
• 32:15
  got
• 32:15
  exposed
• 32:15
  to
• 32:16
  a
• 32:16
  lot
• 32:16
  of
• 32:16
  guys
• 32:16
  and
• 32:18
  an
• 32:18
  early
• 32:18
  age.
• 32:19
  Nice.
• 32:20
  Yeah,
• 32:20
  I
• 32:21
  remember
• 32:21
  those
• 32:21
  Baltimore
• 32:22
  bullets
• 32:22
  clubs,
• 32:24
  Chuck,
• 32:25
  as
• 32:25
  you
• 32:26
  said,
• 32:26
  earl
• 32:26
  the
• 32:26
  pearl
• 32:27
  Wesley
• 32:28
  unselled.
• 32:28
  They
• 32:29
  had
• 32:29
  Gus
• 32:29
  Johnson,
• 32:30
  Jack
• 32:30
  Marin.
• 32:31
  They
• 32:31
  used
• 32:31
  to
• 32:32
  have
• 32:32
  some
• 32:32
  battles
• 32:33
  with
• 32:33
  the
• 32:33
  Knicks.
• 32:33
  I
• 32:33
  remember
• 32:34
  that.
• 32:34
  Gus
• 32:35
  Johnson
• 32:35
  and
• 32:35
  Dave
• 32:35
  the
• 32:36
  bushner
• 32:36
  under
• 32:36
  the
• 32:36
  boards,
• 32:37
  Willis
• 32:38
  Reid
• 32:38
  and
• 32:38
  Wesley
• 32:39
  Unsell.
• 32:40
  Great
• 32:40
  stuff.
• 32:41
  Yeah.
• 32:42
  East
• 32:43
  coast
• 32:44
  used
• 32:44
  to
• 32:44
  dominate
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  Baltic
• 32:46
  Celtics
• 32:47
  and
• 32:47
  New
• 32:47
  York
• 32:48
  Nicks
• 32:49
  Baltimore
• 32:50
  bullets.
• 32:50
  Yeah.
• 32:51
  So
• 32:51
  we
• 32:51
  grew
• 32:51
  up
• 32:51
  with
• 32:51
  some
• 32:51
  great
• 32:52
  traditions.
• 32:53
  As
• 32:53
  a
• 32:53
  matter
• 32:53
  of
• 32:53
  fact,
• 32:54
  I
• 32:54
  read,
• 32:55
  chuck,
• 32:55
  that
• 32:56
  you
• 32:56
  began
• 32:56
  incorporating
• 32:57
  your
• 32:58
  spin
• 32:58
  move,
• 33:00
  that
• 33:00
  you
• 33:00
  got
• 33:00
  off
• 33:01
  all
• 33:01
  the
• 33:01
  pearls.
• 33:03
  Well,
• 33:03
  back
• 33:03
  in
• 33:03
  the
• 33:03
  day,
• 33:04
  you
• 33:04
  know,
• 33:04
  we
• 33:04
  all
• 33:04
  tried
• 33:05
  to
• 33:05
  emulate
• 33:06
  basketball
• 33:07
  in
• 33:07
  high
• 33:07
  school.
• 33:08
  We
• 33:08
  had
• 33:08
  these
• 33:08
  little
• 33:09
  spins
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  stuff
• 33:11
  like
• 33:11
  that,
• 33:11
  you
• 33:11
  know,
• 33:12
  and
• 33:13
  I
• 33:13
  think
• 33:14
  we
• 33:14
  were
• 33:14
  playing.
• 33:14
  What
• 33:14
  were
• 33:15
  we
• 33:15
  playing?
• 33:15
  We
• 33:15
  were
• 33:15
  playing,
• 33:17
  I
• 33:18
  think,
• 33:18
  the
• 33:18
  Houston.
• 33:18
  Houston
• 33:19
  or
• 33:19
  at
• 33:19
  the
• 33:20
  time.
• 33:21
  And
• 33:23
  I
• 33:23
  saw
• 33:24
  some
• 33:24
  space,
• 33:25
  and
• 33:25
  I
• 33:26
  decided
• 33:26
  to
• 33:26
  try
• 33:26
  it.
• 33:28
  It
• 33:28
  actually
• 33:29
  worked.
• 33:29
  I
• 33:29
  was
• 33:29
  kind
• 33:29
  of
• 33:29
  shocked.
• 33:30
  I
• 33:30
  was
• 33:30
  trying
• 33:30
  to
• 33:31
  get
• 33:31
  to
• 33:31
  space.
• 33:31
  I
• 33:31
  wasn't
• 33:32
  so
• 33:32
  much
• 33:32
  getting
• 33:32
  rid
• 33:33
  of
• 33:33
  a
• 33:33
  guy
• 33:34
  trying
• 33:35
  to
• 33:35
  get
• 33:35
  to
• 33:35
  an
• 33:35
  open
• 33:36
  space.
• 33:36
  And
• 33:37
  that's
• 33:37
  when
• 33:37
  it
• 33:37
  all
• 33:37
  started.
• 33:38
  Then
• 33:39
  I
• 33:39
  got
• 33:39
  to
• 33:39
  nickname
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  spin
• 33:40
  doctor.
• 33:41
  Yeah,
• 33:42
  great
• 33:42
  story.
• 33:43
  Great
• 33:43
  story,
• 33:43
  Chuck.
• 33:44
  Now,
• 33:45
  you
• 33:45
  received
• 33:46
  more
• 33:46
  scholarship
• 33:47
  offers
• 33:47
  for
• 33:48
  basketball
• 33:48
  than
• 33:49
  football,
• 33:49
  right?
• 33:50
  Yes,
• 33:51
  I
• 33:51
  did.
• 33:51
  So,
• 33:53
  yeah.
• 33:53
  And
• 33:53
  I
• 33:54
  really
• 33:54
  love
• 33:55
  basketball,
• 33:56
  being
• 33:56
  six
• 33:57
  two
• 33:57
  and
• 33:57
  a
• 33:57
  half,
• 34:00
  but
• 34:00
  I
• 34:00
  just
• 34:01
  thought
• 34:02
  football
• 34:03
  was
• 34:04
  where
• 34:04
  I
• 34:05
  wanted
• 34:05
  to
• 34:05
  be.
• 34:05
  It
• 34:05
  was
• 34:06
  more
• 34:06
  physical,
• 34:07
  I
• 34:07
  guess,
• 34:08
  and
• 34:08
  I
• 34:08
  thought
• 34:08
  I
• 34:09
  had
• 34:09
  a
• 34:09
  bigger
• 34:09
  upside,
• 34:11
  and
• 34:12
  I
• 34:12
  just
• 34:12
  loved
• 34:12
  the
• 34:12
  game,
• 34:13
  and
• 34:13
  so
• 34:14
  I
• 34:14
  chose
• 34:14
  football.
• 34:14
  I
• 34:15
  did
• 34:15
  play
• 34:15
  basketball
• 34:15
  at
• 34:16
  University
• 34:16
  of
• 34:16
  Miami
• 34:16
  my
• 34:17
  freshman
• 34:17
  year,
• 34:18
  but
• 34:18
  after
• 34:18
  that,
• 34:19
  I
• 34:19
  couldn't
• 34:19
  do
• 34:20
  both.
• 34:20
  It
• 34:20
  was
• 34:21
  just
• 34:21
  too
• 34:21
  much,
• 34:21
  too
• 34:21
  time
• 34:22
  consuming.
• 34:23
  And
• 34:24
  so
• 34:24
  I
• 34:24
  just
• 34:24
  went
• 34:25
  and
• 34:25
  stayed
• 34:26
  with
• 34:26
  football.
• 34:27
  Good
• 34:27
  choice,
• 34:27
  Chuck.
• 34:28
  Definitely.
• 34:29
  Yeah.
• 34:29
  Now,
• 34:30
  you
• 34:31
  had
• 34:31
  a
• 34:31
  little
• 34:31
  issue
• 34:32
  holding
• 34:32
  onto
• 34:32
  the
• 34:33
  ball
• 34:33
  in
• 34:33
  college.
• 34:35
  You
• 34:35
  attributed
• 34:36
  that
• 34:36
  to
• 34:36
  holding
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  ball
• 34:37
  too
• 34:37
  loosely.
• 34:38
  But
• 34:39
  when
• 34:40
  I
• 34:40
  was
• 34:40
  doing
• 34:40
  my
• 34:40
  homework,
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  read
• 34:41
  that
• 34:42
  we
• 34:42
  view
• 34:43
  bank
• 34:44
  gave
• 34:44
  you
• 34:44
  some
• 34:44
  instruction
• 34:45
  there
• 34:45
  and
• 34:45
  helped
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  out.
• 34:47
  Well,
• 34:48
  actually,
• 34:48
  I
• 34:48
  don't
• 34:49
  know
• 34:49
  about
• 34:49
  dropping
• 34:49
  the
• 34:49
  ball
• 34:50
  a
• 34:50
  lot,
• 34:50
  but
• 34:51
  if
• 34:52
  you're
• 34:52
  going
• 34:52
  to
• 34:52
  be
• 34:52
  in
• 34:52
  the
• 34:52
  game,
• 34:53
  you
• 34:54
  definitely
• 34:54
  have
• 34:54
  to,
• 34:55
  you
• 34:56
  know,
• 34:56
  not
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  be
• 34:57
  a
• 34:57
  turnover
• 34:57
  king,
• 34:58
  you
• 34:58
  know,
• 34:58
  and
• 34:58
  certainly
• 34:59
  won't
• 34:59
  be
• 34:59
  there.
• 34:59
  But,
• 35:00
  you
• 35:00
  know,
• 35:00
  you
• 35:00
  got
• 35:00
  to
• 35:01
  remember,
• 35:01
  I
• 35:01
  played,
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  went
• 35:04
  to
• 35:04
  University
• 35:04
  of
• 35:04
  Miami
• 35:05
  as
• 35:05
  a
• 35:05
  defensive
• 35:05
  tackle,
• 35:06
  tight
• 35:06
  end.
• 35:07
  Then
• 35:07
  when
• 35:07
  I
• 35:07
  got
• 35:07
  there,
• 35:07
  of
• 35:08
  course,
• 35:08
  I
• 35:08
  was
• 35:08
  state
• 35:08
  champion
• 35:09
  in
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  hurricane
• 35:09
  around
• 35:10
  two
• 35:10
  years.
• 35:11
  Then
• 35:11
  they
• 35:12
  had
• 35:12
  40
• 35:13
  times.
• 35:13
  And
• 35:13
  then,
• 35:14
  you
• 35:14
  know,
• 35:14
  my
• 35:15
  freshman
• 35:15
  coach
• 35:16
  asked
• 35:16
  me
• 35:16
  to
• 35:16
  switch
• 35:16
  to
• 35:17
  running
• 35:17
  back.
• 35:17
  And
• 35:17
  I
• 35:17
  know
• 35:18
  a
• 35:18
  darn
• 35:18
  thing
• 35:18
  about
• 35:19
  running
• 35:19
  the
• 35:19
  ball.
• 35:20
  I
• 35:20
  didn't
• 35:20
  know
• 35:20
  anything
• 35:21
  other
• 35:21
  than,
• 35:21
  you
• 35:21
  know,
• 35:22
  just
• 35:22
  ran.
• 35:23
  And
• 35:23
  so
• 35:25
  I
• 35:26
  wasn't
• 35:26
  really
• 35:26
  experienced.
• 35:27
  Then
• 35:27
  they
• 35:28
  switched
• 35:28
  me
• 35:28
  to
• 35:28
  wide
• 35:28
  receiver
• 35:29
  and
• 35:29
  the
• 35:29
  cornerback.
• 35:30
  So
• 35:30
  I
• 35:30
  really
• 35:31
  didn't
• 35:31
  have
• 35:31
  all
• 35:31
  the
• 35:32
  unnecessary
• 35:34
  coaching,
• 35:35
  you
• 35:36
  know,
• 35:36
  as
• 35:36
  far
• 35:36
  as
• 35:37
  being
• 35:38
  able
• 35:38
  to,
• 35:39
  you
• 35:39
  know,
• 35:39
  all
• 35:39
  the
• 35:40
  little
• 35:40
  stuff
• 35:40
  you
• 35:40
  need
• 35:40
  to
• 35:40
  do
• 35:40
  to
• 35:41
  hold
• 35:41
  on
• 35:41
  to
• 35:41
  the
• 35:41
  ball.
• 35:41
  But
• 35:43
  the
• 35:43
  bottom
• 35:43
  line
• 35:44
  is,
• 35:44
  yeah,
• 35:44
  when
• 35:44
  I
• 35:44
  was
• 35:45
  went
• 35:45
  to
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  all
• 35:45
  star
• 35:46
  games
• 35:46
  and
• 35:47
  they
• 35:47
  decided
• 35:48
  to
• 35:48
  use
• 35:48
  me
• 35:48
  as
• 35:48
  running
• 35:49
  back,
• 35:49
  we
• 35:50
  do
• 35:50
  bank.
• 35:50
  He
• 35:50
  was
• 35:51
  our
• 35:51
  coach
• 35:52
  and
• 35:53
  he
• 35:54
  was
• 35:54
  the
• 35:55
  one
• 35:55
  that
• 35:56
  suggested,
• 35:56
  hey,
• 35:57
  look,
• 35:57
  this
• 35:57
  is
• 35:57
  what
• 35:57
  you
• 35:57
  need
• 35:58
  to
• 35:58
  do
• 35:58
  when
• 35:58
  you
• 35:58
  run
• 35:58
  in
• 35:58
  this
• 35:59
  football.
• 35:59
  You
• 35:59
  need
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  hold
• 35:59
  this
• 36:00
  ball
• 36:00
  a
• 36:00
  certain
• 36:01
  way.
• 36:04
  That
• 36:04
  was
• 36:04
  the
• 36:04
  best
• 36:04
  advice
• 36:05
  I
• 36:05
  ever
• 36:05
  got.
• 36:06
  Well,
• 36:06
  he's,
• 36:07
  as
• 36:07
  we
• 36:07
  know
• 36:08
  here,
• 36:09
  Chuck,
• 36:09
  we
• 36:10
  was
• 36:10
  the
• 36:11
  coach
• 36:12
  for
• 36:13
  some
• 36:13
  of
• 36:13
  the
• 36:13
  only
• 36:13
  bright
• 36:14
  days
• 36:14
  we
• 36:14
  have
• 36:14
  as
• 36:15
  jet
• 36:15
  fans
• 36:16
  back
• 36:16
  in
• 36:16
  1969.
• 36:18
  Yes,
• 36:18
  Super
• 36:19
  bowl
• 36:19
  three.
• 36:19
  We
• 36:20
  was
• 36:20
  the
• 36:20
  man.
• 36:21
  He
• 36:22
  was
• 36:22
  just
• 36:22
  the
• 36:22
  nicest
• 36:23
  gentleman
• 36:25
  that
• 36:25
  I
• 36:25
  remember,
• 36:26
  you
• 36:26
  know,
• 36:26
  so
• 36:26
  it
• 36:27
  was
• 36:27
  exciting
• 36:27
  to
• 36:27
  be
• 36:28
  coached
• 36:28
  by
• 36:28
  him
• 36:28
  and
• 36:28
  his
• 36:29
  staff.
• 36:30
  There
• 36:30
  were
• 36:30
  some
• 36:30
  great
• 36:31
  times.
• 36:31
  We
• 36:32
  are
• 36:32
  speaking
• 36:32
  with
• 36:32
  the
• 36:33
  great
• 36:33
  Chuck
• 36:33
  Foreman
• 36:34
  tonight
• 36:34
  on
• 36:34
  Sports
• 36:34
  talk
• 36:35
  New
• 36:35
  York.
• 36:35
  Now,
• 36:36
  you
• 36:36
  were
• 36:36
  drafted
• 36:36
  by
• 36:37
  the
• 36:37
  Vikings.
• 36:37
  You
• 36:37
  were
• 36:38
  the
• 36:38
  12th
• 36:38
  pick
• 36:39
  in
• 36:39
  the
• 36:39
  73
• 36:40
  draft.
• 36:41
  You
• 36:42
  had
• 36:42
  some
• 36:42
  trepidation.
• 36:43
  You
• 36:43
  were
• 36:44
  in
• 36:44
  Miami,
• 36:45
  but
• 36:46
  going
• 36:46
  to
• 36:46
  Minnesota,
• 36:47
  right.
• 36:47
  You,
• 36:48
  you
• 36:49
  saw
• 36:49
  them
• 36:49
  using
• 36:50
  flamethrowers
• 36:50
  up
• 36:51
  there
• 36:51
  at
• 36:51
  Metropolitan
• 36:52
  Stadium.
• 36:53
  A
• 36:53
  little
• 36:53
  different
• 36:53
  than
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  campus
• 36:54
  down
• 36:55
  in
• 36:55
  Miami.
• 36:56
  Yeah,
• 36:56
  I'm
• 36:57
  used
• 36:57
  to
• 36:57
  seeing
• 36:58
  sunshine.
• 36:59
  Everybody's
• 37:00
  laying
• 37:00
  out
• 37:00
  tanning
• 37:01
  and
• 37:01
  mixing
• 37:02
  when
• 37:02
  I
• 37:02
  get
• 37:02
  drafted.
• 37:03
  And
• 37:04
  it
• 37:04
  hit
• 37:05
  me,
• 37:05
  you
• 37:06
  know,
• 37:06
  that
• 37:06
  when
• 37:06
  I
• 37:06
  saw
• 37:07
  the
• 37:07
  bike
• 37:07
  because,
• 37:07
  you
• 37:07
  know,
• 37:08
  the
• 37:08
  draft
• 37:09
  was
• 37:09
  late
• 37:09
  in
• 37:10
  January,
• 37:11
  but
• 37:11
  anyway,
• 37:12
  and
• 37:12
  so
• 37:12
  when
• 37:12
  I
• 37:13
  see
• 37:13
  pictures
• 37:13
  of
• 37:13
  the
• 37:14
  Vikings
• 37:14
  or
• 37:14
  when
• 37:15
  they
• 37:15
  come
• 37:15
  on,
• 37:16
  they
• 37:16
  were,
• 37:17
  you
• 37:17
  know,
• 37:17
  they
• 37:17
  had
• 37:17
  this
• 37:18
  flamethrowers
• 37:19
  out
• 37:19
  there.
• 37:19
  I
• 37:19
  mean,
• 37:20
  throwing
• 37:21
  out
• 37:21
  the
• 37:21
  field.
• 37:21
  Right?
• 37:22
  You
• 37:23
  know
• 37:23
  what
• 37:23
  I
• 37:23
  mean?
• 37:23
  And
• 37:23
  it
• 37:23
  was
• 37:24
  cold.
• 37:25
  And
• 37:25
  then
• 37:25
  when
• 37:25
  I
• 37:25
  went
• 37:26
  up
• 37:26
  there
• 37:26
  for
• 37:26
  my
• 37:26
  visit,
• 37:27
  you
• 37:27
  know,
• 37:27
  even
• 37:28
  though
• 37:28
  I'm
• 37:28
  from
• 37:28
  Maryland,
• 37:28
  I
• 37:29
  mean,
• 37:29
  Minnesota
• 37:29
  is
• 37:30
  a
• 37:30
  totally
• 37:30
  different
• 37:31
  place.
• 37:33
  When
• 37:34
  it
• 37:34
  gets
• 37:34
  cold,
• 37:34
  it
• 37:35
  gets
• 37:35
  cold.
• 37:35
  I
• 37:35
  mean,
• 37:36
  really,
• 37:36
  really
• 37:36
  bitter
• 37:37
  cold.
• 37:38
  And
• 37:38
  so
• 37:38
  that
• 37:38
  was
• 37:39
  like,
• 37:39
  wow.
• 37:39
  But
• 37:39
  it
• 37:39
  was
• 37:40
  the
• 37:40
  best
• 37:40
  thing
• 37:40
  that
• 37:40
  ever
• 37:41
  happened
• 37:41
  to
• 37:41
  me.
• 37:41
  When
• 37:41
  I
• 37:41
  got
• 37:42
  drafted
• 37:42
  by
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  bikers.
• 37:43
  They
• 37:43
  had
• 37:43
  a
• 37:44
  really
• 37:44
  great
• 37:45
  structure.
• 37:45
  They
• 37:46
  had
• 37:46
  a
• 37:46
  great
• 37:46
  coach.
• 37:47
  They
• 37:47
  had
• 37:47
  some
• 37:48
  place
• 37:48
  to
• 37:49
  town,
• 37:49
  was
• 37:50
  really
• 37:50
  nice
• 37:51
  people.
• 37:52
  The
• 37:53
  team
• 37:53
  was
• 37:53
  very
• 37:53
  mature
• 37:54
  and
• 37:55
  all
• 37:55
  of
• 37:55
  them
• 37:55
  professional.
• 37:56
  So
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  got,
• 37:57
  I
• 37:58
  got,
• 37:58
  I
• 37:58
  got
• 37:58
  to
• 37:59
  be
• 37:59
  at
• 37:59
  the
• 37:59
  right
• 37:59
  place
• 38:00
  at
• 38:00
  the
• 38:00
  right
• 38:00
  time,
• 38:00
  at
• 38:01
  the
• 38:01
  right
• 38:01
  team.
• 38:02
  How
• 38:03
  did
• 38:03
  they,
• 38:03
  how
• 38:03
  did
• 38:03
  they
• 38:04
  use
• 38:05
  you
• 38:05
  when
• 38:05
  you
• 38:05
  first
• 38:06
  got
• 38:06
  there,
• 38:06
  Chuck?
• 38:07
  Well,
• 38:08
  first
• 38:08
  of
• 38:08
  all,
• 38:08
  you
• 38:08
  know,
• 38:08
  when
• 38:09
  I
• 38:09
  came
• 38:09
  in,
• 38:10
  because
• 38:11
  every
• 38:11
  all
• 38:11
  star
• 38:12
  game
• 38:12
  I
• 38:12
  was
• 38:12
  in,
• 38:12
  I
• 38:12
  was
• 38:13
  in,
• 38:13
  I
• 38:14
  won
• 38:14
  the
• 38:14
  most
• 38:15
  valuable
• 38:15
  player
• 38:16
  as
• 38:16
  a
• 38:17
  running
• 38:17
  back.
• 38:17
  And
• 38:18
  so,
• 38:18
  and
• 38:19
  that
• 38:19
  was
• 38:19
  one
• 38:19
  of
• 38:19
  the
• 38:19
  only
• 38:19
  times
• 38:20
  I
• 38:20
  really
• 38:20
  played
• 38:21
  running
• 38:21
  back
• 38:21
  full
• 38:22
  time.
• 38:22
  So
• 38:23
  obviously,
• 38:23
  you
• 38:24
  know,
• 38:26
  they
• 38:26
  decided,
• 38:28
  you
• 38:28
  know,
• 38:28
  well,
• 38:28
  I
• 38:29
  was
• 38:29
  going
• 38:29
  to
• 38:29
  play
• 38:29
  running
• 38:29
  back.
• 38:29
  And
• 38:30
  when
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  came
• 38:30
  up
• 38:30
  here,
• 38:31
  they
• 38:31
  asked
• 38:31
  me,
• 38:31
  where
• 38:32
  you
• 38:32
  want
• 38:32
  to
• 38:32
  play?
• 38:32
  You
• 38:32
  want
• 38:32
  to
• 38:32
  play
• 38:33
  coin,
• 38:33
  you
• 38:33
  want
• 38:33
  to
• 38:33
  play.
• 38:33
  Well,
• 38:33
  obviously
• 38:34
  going
• 38:34
  running
• 38:34
  back,
• 38:35
  that's
• 38:36
  a
• 38:36
  running
• 38:36
  bag.
• 38:37
  And
• 38:38
  then
• 38:38
  when
• 38:38
  I
• 38:38
  was
• 38:38
  a
• 38:38
  running
• 38:39
  bag,
• 38:39
  then
• 38:39
  they
• 38:39
  said
• 38:39
  they're
• 38:40
  going
• 38:40
  to
• 38:40
  switch
• 38:40
  me
• 38:40
  to
• 38:40
  what
• 38:40
  they
• 38:41
  call
• 38:41
  the
• 38:41
  three
• 38:41
  back
• 38:42
  position,
• 38:42
  which
• 38:42
  was
• 38:42
  the
• 38:42
  fullback.
• 38:43
  And
• 38:43
  I
• 38:43
  was
• 38:43
  really
• 38:44
  upset
• 38:44
  about
• 38:44
  that.
• 38:46
  Yeah.
• 38:46
  And
• 38:47
  so
• 38:48
  once
• 38:48
  they
• 38:49
  told
• 38:50
  me
• 38:50
  how
• 38:51
  they
• 38:51
  were
• 38:51
  going
• 38:52
  to,
• 38:53
  in
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  way
• 38:53
  they
• 38:53
  were
• 38:54
  going
• 38:54
  to
• 38:54
  use
• 38:54
  me
• 38:55
  as
• 38:55
  a
• 38:55
  runner
• 38:56
  receiver,
• 38:56
  I
• 38:56
  didn't,
• 38:57
  I
• 38:57
  still
• 38:57
  didn't
• 38:57
  believe
• 38:58
  them.
• 38:58
  But
• 38:59
  as
• 38:59
  it
• 38:59
  turns
• 38:59
  out
• 39:00
  to
• 39:01
  the
• 39:01
  best
• 39:01
  thing
• 39:01
  to
• 39:02
  happen
• 39:03
  now,
• 39:03
  that
• 39:03
  that.
• 39:04
  Offense
• 39:04
  that
• 39:05
  the
• 39:05
  Vikings
• 39:06
  were
• 39:06
  using,
• 39:07
  that
• 39:07
  was
• 39:07
  really
• 39:08
  the
• 39:08
  precursor
• 39:09
  to
• 39:09
  the
• 39:09
  west
• 39:10
  coast
• 39:10
  offense.
• 39:12
  It
• 39:12
  was
• 39:12
  the
• 39:12
  west
• 39:13
  coast,
• 39:13
  yeah.
• 39:17
  I
• 39:17
  could
• 39:17
  never
• 39:17
  figure
• 39:18
  out
• 39:20
  how
• 39:20
  often
• 39:21
  got
• 39:21
  to
• 39:22
  be
• 39:22
  called
• 39:22
  the
• 39:22
  west
• 39:22
  coast
• 39:23
  offense,
• 39:24
  and
• 39:24
  we
• 39:24
  never
• 39:25
  got
• 39:25
  any
• 39:25
  credit
• 39:26
  for
• 39:26
  what
• 39:26
  we
• 39:26
  created
• 39:27
  or
• 39:28
  begun
• 39:28
  when
• 39:28
  Jerry
• 39:29
  Burns
• 39:29
  created.
• 39:30
  And
• 39:31
  so,
• 39:32
  yeah,
• 39:32
  that's
• 39:33
  been
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  stigma
• 39:34
  since
• 39:35
  I
• 39:35
  can
• 39:35
  remember,
• 39:36
  you
• 39:36
  know,
• 39:36
  the
• 39:36
  runner,
• 39:37
  receiver.
• 39:37
  Wait
• 39:37
  a
• 39:38
  minute.
• 39:38
  That's
• 39:39
  my
• 39:39
  thing.
• 39:42
  They
• 39:42
  came
• 39:42
  after
• 39:43
  me,
• 39:44
  you
• 39:44
  know,
• 39:44
  what
• 39:44
  we
• 39:45
  did
• 39:45
  here,
• 39:45
  and
• 39:46
  it
• 39:46
  was,
• 39:47
  it
• 39:47
  was
• 39:48
  an
• 39:48
  eye
• 39:48
  open,
• 39:48
  because
• 39:49
  back
• 39:49
  in
• 39:49
  those
• 39:49
  days,
• 39:50
  in
• 39:50
  my
• 39:50
  era,
• 39:50
  anyway,
• 39:51
  you
• 39:52
  know,
• 39:52
  when
• 39:52
  they
• 39:52
  evaluated
• 39:53
  you
• 39:53
  as
• 39:53
  a
• 39:54
  running
• 39:54
  back
• 39:54
  or
• 39:55
  fullback,
• 39:55
  whatever
• 39:55
  you
• 39:55
  want
• 39:56
  to
• 39:56
  call,
• 39:57
  they
• 39:57
  only
• 39:58
  evaluated
• 39:59
  you
• 39:59
  or
• 40:00
  judged
• 40:01
  you
• 40:01
  by
• 40:01
  the
• 40:01
  yards
• 40:02
  from
• 40:02
  scrimmage.
• 40:04
  Your
• 40:05
  receiving
• 40:05
  yards
• 40:06
  were
• 40:06
  just
• 40:06
  considered
• 40:07
  jump.
• 40:08
  You
• 40:09
  know,
• 40:09
  there
• 40:09
  wasn't
• 40:10
  even,
• 40:11
  like,
• 40:11
  when
• 40:11
  they
• 40:13
  choose
• 40:14
  you
• 40:14
  for,
• 40:16
  if
• 40:16
  you're
• 40:16
  gonna
• 40:17
  pick
• 40:17
  you
• 40:17
  for
• 40:17
  the
• 40:17
  Pro
• 40:17
  bowl,
• 40:18
  it
• 40:18
  wouldn't
• 40:18
  be
• 40:18
  because
• 40:18
  of
• 40:19
  your
• 40:19
  rushing
• 40:19
  yards,
• 40:20
  I
• 40:20
  mean,
• 40:20
  because
• 40:20
  you're
• 40:21
  all
• 40:21
  around
• 40:21
  yard,
• 40:21
  be
• 40:22
  because
• 40:22
  you're,
• 40:23
  you
• 40:24
  know
• 40:24
  how
• 40:24
  many
• 40:24
  rushing
• 40:24
  yards
• 40:25
  you
• 40:25
  had.
• 40:25
  But,
• 40:26
  and,
• 40:26
  you
• 40:26
  know,
• 40:29
  that
• 40:29
  was
• 40:29
  the
• 40:30
  part
• 40:30
  of
• 40:32
  being
• 40:33
  a
• 40:33
  multidimensional
• 40:34
  player.
• 40:36
  That
• 40:37
  was
• 40:37
  unfortunate,
• 40:38
  but
• 40:39
  it
• 40:39
  made
• 40:39
  me
• 40:39
  who
• 40:39
  I
• 40:40
  was
• 40:40
  and
• 40:40
  we
• 40:40
  were
• 40:41
  very,
• 40:41
  very
• 40:41
  successful
• 40:42
  with
• 40:42
  it.
• 40:43
  You
• 40:43
  certainly
• 40:43
  were,
• 40:44
  except
• 40:45
  that's
• 40:45
  back
• 40:46
  in
• 40:46
  my
• 40:46
  era,
• 40:47
  that's
• 40:47
  how
• 40:48
  they
• 40:48
  evaluated
• 40:49
  you
• 40:49
  as
• 40:49
  a
• 40:49
  runner,
• 40:50
  this
• 40:50
  guard
• 40:50
  from
• 40:51
  scrimmage.
• 40:52
  They
• 40:52
  didn't
• 40:52
  evaluate
• 40:53
  you
• 40:53
  by,
• 40:54
  okay,
• 40:54
  the
• 40:54
  total
• 40:55
  picture,
• 40:56
  you
• 40:56
  know,
• 40:56
  or,
• 40:57
  you
• 40:57
  know,
• 40:58
  this
• 40:58
  guy
• 40:58
  can
• 40:58
  do
• 40:59
  this
• 40:59
  and
• 40:59
  he
• 40:59
  can
• 41:00
  also
• 41:00
  do
• 41:00
  that.
• 41:01
  So
• 41:01
  that's,
• 41:02
  that's.
• 41:03
  But
• 41:03
  now
• 41:03
  they're
• 41:03
  getting
• 41:04
  some
• 41:04
  recognition.
• 41:05
  Yes,
• 41:06
  exactly.
• 41:07
  Right.
• 41:07
  Chuck.
• 41:08
  Chuck
• 41:08
  Foreman
• 41:08
  is
• 41:09
  with
• 41:09
  us
• 41:09
  tonight
• 41:09
  on
• 41:09
  sports
• 41:10
  talk
• 41:10
  New
• 41:10
  York.
• 41:11
  Now
• 41:11
  your
• 41:11
  first
• 41:12
  Super
• 41:12
  bowl,
• 41:13
  you
• 41:14
  beat
• 41:14
  the
• 41:14
  Redskins
• 41:15
  in
• 41:15
  the
• 41:15
  divisional
• 41:16
  round
• 41:16
  that
• 41:16
  year.
• 41:17
  You
• 41:18
  beat
• 41:18
  the
• 41:18
  Cowboys
• 41:19
  in
• 41:19
  the
• 41:19
  championship
• 41:20
  game
• 41:20
  and
• 41:21
  then
• 41:21
  you
• 41:21
  come
• 41:21
  up
• 41:21
  against
• 41:22
  the
• 41:22
  Miami
• 41:23
  Dolphins.
• 41:24
  Now
• 41:25
  that
• 41:25
  was
• 41:26
  Super
• 41:26
  bowl
• 41:27
  eight,
• 41:27
  I
• 41:27
  believe,
• 41:28
  and
• 41:30
  tough
• 41:31
  team,
• 41:31
  the
• 41:31
  Miami
• 41:32
  Dolphins.
• 41:35
  I
• 41:35
  went
• 41:35
  to
• 41:35
  school
• 41:35
  in
• 41:36
  Miami
• 41:36
  and
• 41:37
  Miami
• 41:37
  Dolphins,
• 41:38
  we
• 41:38
  still
• 41:38
  watching
• 41:39
  practice
• 41:40
  and
• 41:41
  all
• 41:41
  that.
• 41:41
  And
• 41:41
  they
• 41:42
  used
• 41:42
  to
• 41:42
  practice
• 41:42
  over
• 41:42
  at
• 41:43
  our
• 41:43
  facility.
• 41:44
  A
• 41:44
  lot
• 41:45
  of
• 41:45
  those
• 41:45
  guys
• 41:45
  used
• 41:45
  to
• 41:46
  work
• 41:46
  out
• 41:46
  over
• 41:46
  there
• 41:46
  and
• 41:46
  they
• 41:47
  were
• 41:47
  really,
• 41:47
  really,
• 41:48
  they
• 41:48
  were
• 41:49
  really,
• 41:49
  really
• 41:50
  good
• 41:50
  football
• 41:50
  and
• 41:51
  really
• 41:51
  smart
• 41:51
  football
• 41:52
  team,
• 41:53
  you
• 41:53
  know,
• 41:54
  you
• 41:54
  know,
• 41:54
  they
• 41:54
  were.
• 41:56
  And
• 41:57
  I
• 41:57
  knew
• 41:58
  from
• 41:58
  what
• 41:58
  I,
• 41:59
  my
• 42:00
  experience
• 42:00
  and
• 42:01
  everything,
• 42:01
  watching
• 42:02
  them
• 42:02
  play
• 42:02
  all
• 42:02
  those
• 42:03
  years
• 42:03
  and
• 42:04
  down
• 42:04
  when
• 42:04
  I
• 42:04
  was
• 42:04
  in
• 42:04
  Miami
• 42:05
  that,
• 42:06
  you
• 42:06
  know,
• 42:06
  that
• 42:07
  would
• 42:07
  be
• 42:07
  a
• 42:07
  tough
• 42:07
  team
• 42:07
  to
• 42:08
  be
• 42:08
  and
• 42:08
  that
• 42:08
  was
• 42:09
  the
• 42:09
  best
• 42:09
  team
• 42:11
  I
• 42:11
  think
• 42:11
  I've
• 42:11
  ever
• 42:12
  played
• 42:12
  against
• 42:14
  that
• 42:14
  Miami
• 42:14
  Dolphins
• 42:15
  team.
• 42:16
  Yeah,
• 42:16
  great.
• 42:17
  And
• 42:17
  as
• 42:18
  you
• 42:18
  said,
• 42:18
  coach
• 42:18
  Shula,
• 42:19
  coach
• 42:20
  Bud
• 42:20
  Grant,
• 42:21
  there
• 42:21
  were
• 42:21
  some
• 42:21
  immortal
• 42:22
  coaches
• 42:22
  back
• 42:22
  then
• 42:23
  when
• 42:23
  you
• 42:23
  were
• 42:23
  in
• 42:23
  the
• 42:23
  NFL,
• 42:24
  Chuck,
• 42:24
  some
• 42:25
  real
• 42:25
  great
• 42:26
  guys.
• 42:27
  They
• 42:28
  were
• 42:29
  Tom
• 42:30
  Landry
• 42:30
  with
• 42:31
  the
• 42:31
  cavalry
• 42:34
  Steelers,
• 42:34
  Chuck.
• 42:35
  No,
• 42:35
  I
• 42:35
  mean,
• 42:35
  you
• 42:35
  can
• 42:36
  go
• 42:36
  on
• 42:36
  down
• 42:36
  the
• 42:36
  line,
• 42:38
  be
• 42:38
  all
• 42:38
  a
• 42:38
  hall
• 42:39
  of
• 42:39
  famer,
• 42:39
  right?
• 42:40
  Yes.
• 42:40
  Some
• 42:41
  great
• 42:41
  men
• 42:41
  coaching
• 42:42
  back
• 42:42
  in
• 42:43
  the
• 42:43
  NFL
• 42:43
  back
• 42:44
  then.
• 42:44
  Now
• 42:44
  74,
• 42:46
  you
• 42:47
  repeat
• 42:47
  as
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  NFC
• 42:48
  central
• 42:48
  champions.
• 42:49
  You
• 42:50
  go
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  the
• 42:50
  Super
• 42:50
  bowl
• 42:51
  for
• 42:51
  the
• 42:51
  second
• 42:51
  year
• 42:52
  in
• 42:52
  a
• 42:52
  row
• 42:53
  and
• 42:53
  you
• 42:53
  come
• 42:53
  up
• 42:53
  against
• 42:54
  the
• 42:55
  steel
• 42:55
  curtain,
• 42:56
  the
• 42:56
  Pittsburgh
• 42:57
  Steelers.
• 42:58
  Now
• 42:58
  you
• 42:58
  had
• 42:58
  a
• 42:58
  tough
• 42:59
  time
• 42:59
  with
• 42:59
  those
• 43:00
  guys
• 43:00
  too,
• 43:00
  right,
• 43:00
  Chuck?
• 43:02
  Well,
• 43:03
  we
• 43:03
  did.
• 43:04
  You
• 43:04
  know,
• 43:06
  going
• 43:06
  against
• 43:07
  the
• 43:07
  Pittsburgh
• 43:08
  Steelers,
• 43:08
  I
• 43:09
  still,
• 43:11
  I
• 43:12
  still
• 43:12
  thought
• 43:12
  we
• 43:12
  were
• 43:12
  a
• 43:13
  better
• 43:13
  team,
• 43:14
  you
• 43:14
  know,
• 43:14
  and
• 43:15
  Dolphins,
• 43:16
  I
• 43:16
  didn't
• 43:16
  think,
• 43:16
  but
• 43:17
  I
• 43:17
  think
• 43:17
  Pittsburgh,
• 43:18
  we
• 43:18
  had
• 43:18
  a
• 43:18
  couple
• 43:19
  turnovers
• 43:19
  here,
• 43:19
  there
• 43:20
  and,
• 43:21
  you
• 43:21
  know,
• 43:21
  they
• 43:22
  were,
• 43:22
  you
• 43:22
  can't
• 43:23
  make
• 43:23
  mistakes
• 43:24
  against
• 43:24
  a
• 43:24
  team
• 43:25
  like
• 43:25
  that,
• 43:25
  right.
• 43:27
  You
• 43:27
  know,
• 43:28
  they
• 43:28
  were
• 43:28
  very,
• 43:28
  very
• 43:28
  well
• 43:29
  coached
• 43:29
  and
• 43:29
  a
• 43:30
  lot
• 43:30
  of
• 43:30
  great
• 43:30
  players
• 43:30
  over
• 43:31
  there.
• 43:32
  And
• 43:33
  another
• 43:33
  loss.
• 43:35
  Yeah.
• 43:35
  Tough,
• 43:36
  tough
• 43:36
  way
• 43:36
  to
• 43:37
  go.
• 43:37
  Now
• 43:38
  you
• 43:39
  were
• 43:39
  going
• 43:39
  for
• 43:39
  the
• 43:39
  NFC
• 43:40
  Triple
• 43:40
  Crown
• 43:42
  the
• 43:43
  year
• 43:43
  after
• 43:44
  you
• 43:44
  led
• 43:44
  the
• 43:44
  conference
• 43:45
  in
• 43:45
  touchdowns,
• 43:46
  receptions
• 43:46
  and
• 43:47
  rushing
• 43:47
  yards,
• 43:48
  you
• 43:48
  were
• 43:49
  up
• 43:49
  against
• 43:49
  OJ
• 43:50
  Simpson
• 43:51
  to
• 43:52
  break
• 43:52
  Gail
• 43:52
  Sayers
• 43:53
  record
• 43:54
  for
• 43:54
  combined
• 43:55
  rushing
• 43:55
  and
• 43:55
  receiving.
• 43:57
  OJ
• 43:58
  won
• 43:59
  that
• 43:59
  one
• 43:59
  out,
• 43:59
  though,
• 44:00
  didn't
• 44:00
  he?
• 44:01
  Well,
• 44:01
  OJ
• 44:02
  won
• 44:02
  the.
• 44:07
  What
• 44:07
  happened
• 44:08
  was
• 44:08
  OJ
• 44:09
  won
• 44:09
  the
• 44:10
  touchdown
• 44:12
  part
• 44:12
  of
• 44:12
  it,
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  know,
• 44:14
  because
• 44:14
  I
• 44:14
  had
• 44:15
  tied
• 44:15
  the
• 44:15
  record,
• 44:17
  and
• 44:17
  then
• 44:18
  OJ
• 44:19
  came
• 44:19
  back
• 44:19
  in
• 44:19
  the
• 44:20
  last
• 44:20
  out
• 44:21
  and
• 44:21
  quarter
• 44:22
  and
• 44:22
  somehow
• 44:22
  broke
• 44:23
  a
• 44:23
  long
• 44:23
  running.
• 44:24
  He
• 44:25
  got
• 44:25
  the
• 44:25
  scoring
• 44:25
  title,
• 44:26
  but
• 44:26
  I
• 44:26
  missed
• 44:26
  the
• 44:26
  Triple
• 44:27
  crown
• 44:27
  that
• 44:27
  year
• 44:28
  by
• 44:29
  six
• 44:29
  yards
• 44:30
  because
• 44:31
  I
• 44:31
  won
• 44:32
  everything
• 44:32
  else.
• 44:33
  But
• 44:33
  in
• 44:34
  that
• 44:35
  third
• 44:35
  quarter,
• 44:35
  so
• 44:36
  I
• 44:36
  got
• 44:37
  hit
• 44:37
  in
• 44:37
  the
• 44:37
  eye
• 44:37
  with
• 44:37
  a
• 44:38
  snowball.
• 44:38
  Oh,
• 44:39
  nice.
• 44:40
  Buff
• 44:40
  it
• 44:40
  all.
• 44:41
  And
• 44:42
  that's
• 44:43
  in,
• 44:43
  like,
• 44:44
  double
• 44:44
  vision.
• 44:45
  And
• 44:45
  I
• 44:45
  didn't
• 44:45
  go
• 44:45
  back
• 44:46
  in
• 44:46
  the
• 44:46
  game,
• 44:46
  but
• 44:46
  I.
• 44:47
  But
• 44:48
  if
• 44:48
  it
• 44:48
  wasn't
• 44:49
  for
• 44:49
  that,
• 44:50
  you
• 44:50
  know,
• 44:53
  you
• 44:53
  know,
• 44:54
  probably
• 44:54
  would
• 44:54
  have,
• 44:55
  you
• 44:56
  know,
• 44:56
  broke
• 44:56
  those
• 44:57
  records,
• 44:57
  too,
• 44:57
  right?
• 44:58
  Exactly.
• 44:59
  And
• 45:00
  not
• 45:00
  bad
• 45:00
  to
• 45:00
  be
• 45:01
  beaten
• 45:01
  out
• 45:01
  by
• 45:01
  Simpson.
• 45:02
  He
• 45:02
  was
• 45:02
  a
• 45:02
  great
• 45:02
  runner.
• 45:06
  Bud
• 45:06
  Grant.
• 45:06
  Now
• 45:07
  let's
• 45:07
  talk
• 45:08
  a
• 45:08
  little
• 45:08
  bit
• 45:08
  about.
• 45:08
  More
• 45:09
  about
• 45:09
  Coach
• 45:09
  Grant.
• 45:10
  Chuck,
• 45:11
  give
• 45:12
  us
• 45:12
  a
• 45:12
  little
• 45:12
  insight
• 45:13
  into
• 45:13
  his
• 45:14
  philosophy
• 45:15
  and
• 45:16
  just
• 45:16
  exactly
• 45:16
  the
• 45:17
  impact
• 45:17
  that
• 45:17
  Bud
• 45:18
  Grant
• 45:18
  had
• 45:18
  on
• 45:18
  your
• 45:19
  great
• 45:19
  career.
• 45:20
  Well,
• 45:21
  you
• 45:21
  know,
• 45:21
  as
• 45:22
  far
• 45:22
  as
• 45:23
  Bud
• 45:23
  Grant,
• 45:23
  as
• 45:24
  I
• 45:24
  mentioned
• 45:24
  before,
• 45:25
  I
• 45:26
  was
• 45:26
  very
• 45:26
  fortunate
• 45:26
  to
• 45:26
  come
• 45:27
  to
• 45:27
  Minnesota.
• 45:28
  It
• 45:28
  was
• 45:28
  a
• 45:29
  very
• 45:29
  mature
• 45:29
  football
• 45:30
  team,
• 45:30
  very
• 45:30
  professional,
• 45:31
  professional
• 45:31
  football
• 45:32
  team,
• 45:32
  and
• 45:33
  a
• 45:33
  lot
• 45:33
  of
• 45:33
  guys
• 45:34
  that
• 45:34
  were
• 45:34
  professionals,
• 45:35
  you
• 45:35
  know,
• 45:35
  they
• 45:35
  came
• 45:36
  to
• 45:36
  work
• 45:36
  and,
• 45:37
  you
• 45:37
  know,
• 45:37
  they
• 45:38
  did
• 45:38
  everything
• 45:38
  they
• 45:38
  were
• 45:39
  supposed
• 45:39
  to
• 45:39
  do,
• 45:39
  but
• 45:40
  really
• 45:40
  didn't
• 45:40
  have
• 45:40
  to
• 45:40
  do
• 45:41
  much
• 45:41
  as
• 45:41
  far
• 45:42
  as
• 45:42
  coach,
• 45:43
  because
• 45:43
  everybody
• 45:44
  knew
• 45:44
  what
• 45:44
  kind,
• 45:45
  what
• 45:45
  they
• 45:45
  had
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  do
• 45:46
  to
• 45:46
  be
• 45:46
  the
• 45:47
  best
• 45:47
  way
• 45:47
  to
• 45:47
  be.
• 45:47
  You
• 45:47
  know,
• 45:48
  we
• 45:48
  came
• 45:48
  hard,
• 45:48
  they
• 45:49
  worked
• 45:49
  hard.
• 45:50
  You
• 45:50
  know,
• 45:51
  everybody
• 45:51
  was
• 45:51
  disciplined.
• 45:52
  And
• 45:52
  if
• 45:52
  you
• 45:52
  weren't
• 45:54
  a
• 45:55
  disciplined
• 45:55
  guy
• 45:56
  or
• 45:56
  you
• 45:56
  didn't
• 45:57
  make
• 45:57
  good
• 45:57
  decisions,
• 45:58
  you
• 45:58
  weren't
• 45:58
  going
• 45:58
  to
• 45:59
  be
• 45:59
  here
• 45:59
  long.
• 45:59
  And
• 45:59
  then
• 46:00
  if
• 46:01
  you
• 46:01
  were
• 46:02
  out
• 46:02
  of
• 46:02
  place,
• 46:02
  you
• 46:03
  know,
• 46:03
  bud
• 46:03
  didn't
• 46:03
  come
• 46:03
  to
• 46:04
  you.
• 46:05
  Captain
• 46:06
  JT
• 46:06
  came
• 46:06
  to
• 46:07
  you
• 46:07
  and
• 46:07
  tell
• 46:07
  you,
• 46:07
  hey,
• 46:08
  we
• 46:08
  don't
• 46:09
  do
• 46:09
  that
• 46:09
  up
• 46:09
  here.
• 46:10
  This
• 46:11
  is
• 46:11
  how
• 46:11
  we
• 46:11
  do
• 46:11
  things.
• 46:12
  If
• 46:12
  you
• 46:12
  want
• 46:12
  to
• 46:12
  be
• 46:12
  a
• 46:12
  partner,
• 46:13
  we're
• 46:13
  fine,
• 46:13
  but,
• 46:14
  you
• 46:14
  know,
• 46:16
  we
• 46:17
  don't
• 46:17
  have
• 46:17
  that.
• 46:18
  And
• 46:18
  so
• 46:19
  that
• 46:19
  was
• 46:19
  one
• 46:19
  of
• 46:19
  the
• 46:19
  best
• 46:20
  things
• 46:20
  about
• 46:21
  being
• 46:21
  here
• 46:21
  in
• 46:21
  Minnesota
• 46:23
  was
• 46:24
  the
• 46:24
  guys
• 46:25
  that
• 46:25
  we
• 46:25
  had
• 46:25
  on
• 46:25
  the
• 46:26
  team,
• 46:26
  and
• 46:26
  they
• 46:26
  were,
• 46:27
  you
• 46:27
  know,
• 46:27
  as
• 46:27
  an
• 46:27
  older
• 46:28
  team
• 46:28
  when
• 46:28
  I
• 46:28
  got
• 46:28
  here,
• 46:29
  too,
• 46:29
  so.
• 46:30
  But
• 46:30
  those
• 46:30
  guys
• 46:31
  set
• 46:31
  the
• 46:32
  standard
• 46:32
  and,
• 46:33
  you
• 46:33
  know,
• 46:35
  just
• 46:35
  a
• 46:35
  bunch
• 46:36
  of
• 46:36
  not
• 46:36
  only
• 46:36
  great
• 46:37
  football
• 46:37
  players,
• 46:37
  but
• 46:38
  just
• 46:39
  great
• 46:39
  people.
• 46:39
  So
• 46:40
  I
• 46:40
  had
• 46:40
  the
• 46:40
  best
• 46:40
  of
• 46:40
  both.
• 46:41
  Best
• 46:41
  of
• 46:41
  both
• 46:41
  worlds.
• 46:42
  Who
• 46:43
  would
• 46:43
  you
• 46:43
  say
• 46:43
  your,
• 46:44
  your
• 46:44
  greatest
• 46:45
  teammate?
• 46:45
  Your
• 46:45
  best
• 46:46
  teammate
• 46:46
  was,
• 46:47
  Chuck?
• 46:48
  Oh,
• 46:48
  man.
• 46:48
  I
• 46:49
  can't
• 46:49
  say
• 46:49
  anyone
• 46:50
  in
• 46:50
  particular.
• 46:50
  I
• 46:51
  think
• 46:51
  there's
• 46:51
  really
• 46:52
  so
• 46:52
  many
• 46:52
  good
• 46:52
  ones.
• 46:52
  You
• 46:53
  know.
• 46:53
  Right.
• 46:55
  And
• 46:55
  I
• 46:55
  learned
• 46:55
  a
• 46:56
  little
• 46:56
  bit
• 46:57
  from
• 46:58
  all
• 46:58
  of
• 46:58
  them.
• 46:58
  But
• 46:59
  I'll
• 46:59
  say
• 47:00
  this
• 47:00
  though,
• 47:01
  as
• 47:02
  much
• 47:02
  as
• 47:02
  I
• 47:03
  had,
• 47:03
  I
• 47:03
  respected
• 47:04
  everybody.
• 47:04
  I
• 47:04
  played
• 47:05
  with
• 47:05
  them
• 47:06
  and,
• 47:08
  you
• 47:08
  know,
• 47:09
  relationships
• 47:10
  with.
• 47:13
  I've
• 47:13
  never
• 47:13
  told
• 47:14
  Allen
• 47:14
  Page
• 47:15
  just
• 47:15
  in
• 47:15
  person,
• 47:16
  but
• 47:18
  I
• 47:19
  admire
• 47:19
  that
• 47:19
  on
• 47:20
  page
• 47:20
  I
• 47:22
  for
• 47:22
  the
• 47:22
  man
• 47:22
  he
• 47:23
  was
• 47:24
  and
• 47:24
  for
• 47:25
  the
• 47:26
  work
• 47:26
  ethic
• 47:27
  he
• 47:27
  had
• 47:27
  and
• 47:30
  you
• 47:30
  watched
• 47:30
  him,
• 47:31
  he
• 47:31
  went
• 47:31
  about
• 47:31
  doing
• 47:32
  his
• 47:32
  business.
• 47:33
  You
• 47:33
  know,
• 47:34
  he
• 47:34
  was
• 47:36
  a
• 47:36
  guy
• 47:36
  that
• 47:37
  he
• 47:38
  couldn't
• 47:38
  help
• 47:38
  but
• 47:38
  respect,
• 47:40
  you
• 47:40
  know,
• 47:40
  because
• 47:40
  he
• 47:40
  was,
• 47:41
  you
• 47:41
  know,
• 47:42
  he
• 47:42
  wasn't
• 47:42
  a
• 47:42
  guy
• 47:43
  that
• 47:43
  did
• 47:43
  a
• 47:43
  whole
• 47:43
  lot
• 47:43
  of
• 47:43
  talking.
• 47:44
  He
• 47:45
  just
• 47:45
  performed
• 47:45
  on
• 47:46
  the
• 47:46
  field.
• 47:46
  But
• 47:46
  he
• 47:46
  was,
• 47:48
  he
• 47:48
  is
• 47:48
  a
• 47:49
  man
• 47:50
  of
• 47:50
  character
• 47:52
  and
• 47:54
  a
• 47:54
  guy
• 47:54
  that,
• 47:55
  you
• 47:55
  know,
• 47:56
  you
• 47:56
  know,
• 47:58
  he's
• 47:59
  going
• 47:59
  to
• 47:59
  be
• 47:59
  straight
• 47:59
  with
• 48:00
  you
• 48:00
  and
• 48:01
  he,
• 48:01
  you
• 48:01
  know,
• 48:02
  and
• 48:02
  he's
• 48:02
  going
• 48:02
  to
• 48:02
  let
• 48:02
  you
• 48:03
  know,
• 48:04
  you
• 48:04
  know,
• 48:05
  like
• 48:05
  I
• 48:05
  say,
• 48:05
  he's,
• 48:08
  he's
• 48:08
  got
• 48:08
  a
• 48:08
  lot
• 48:09
  of
• 48:09
  dignity
• 48:09
  and
• 48:10
  everything
• 48:10
  else.
• 48:10
  I
• 48:11
  can't,
• 48:11
  there's
• 48:12
  so
• 48:12
  many
• 48:12
  things
• 48:12
  I
• 48:12
  can
• 48:12
  say
• 48:13
  positive,
• 48:13
  only
• 48:14
  I
• 48:14
  can
• 48:14
  tell,
• 48:14
  you
• 48:16
  know,
• 48:16
  he's,
• 48:17
  you
• 48:17
  know,
• 48:18
  as
• 48:18
  far
• 48:18
  as
• 48:18
  the
• 48:19
  football
• 48:19
  players
• 48:19
  go,
• 48:20
  I
• 48:20
  admire
• 48:21
  Allen
• 48:21
  Page.
• 48:22
  Well,
• 48:22
  thank
• 48:23
  you
• 48:23
  for
• 48:23
  giving
• 48:23
  us
• 48:24
  that
• 48:24
  story,
• 48:24
  Chuck,
• 48:25
  and
• 48:25
  giving
• 48:26
  us
• 48:26
  that
• 48:26
  piece
• 48:26
  of
• 48:26
  information.
• 48:28
  A
• 48:28
  great
• 48:29
  football
• 48:29
  player.
• 48:30
  You
• 48:31
  kids
• 48:31
  out
• 48:31
  there
• 48:31
  Google
• 48:32
  Alan
• 48:32
  Page,
• 48:34
  just
• 48:35
  as
• 48:35
  Chuck
• 48:35
  says,
• 48:36
  a
• 48:36
  tremendous
• 48:36
  football
• 48:37
  player.
• 48:38
  He
• 48:38
  was
• 48:38
  one
• 48:38
  of
• 48:39
  a
• 48:39
  group
• 48:39
  of
• 48:40
  guys
• 48:40
  they
• 48:40
  called
• 48:41
  the
• 48:41
  purple
• 48:42
  people,
• 48:42
  leaders,
• 48:43
  kids,
• 48:44
  and
• 48:44
  check
• 48:44
  that
• 48:45
  out.
• 48:45
  These
• 48:45
  guys
• 48:46
  were
• 48:47
  amazing
• 48:48
  on
• 48:48
  the
• 48:48
  line
• 48:49
  and
• 48:50
  Chuck
• 48:50
  had
• 48:51
  the
• 48:51
  honor
• 48:52
  and
• 48:52
  the
• 48:52
  privilege
• 48:52
  of
• 48:52
  playing
• 48:53
  with
• 48:53
  these
• 48:53
  guys.
• 48:54
  How
• 48:55
  about
• 48:55
  a
• 48:55
  guy,
• 48:56
  Chuck?
• 48:57
  If
• 48:57
  you
• 48:57
  had
• 48:57
  the
• 48:57
  ball
• 48:58
  and
• 48:58
  you
• 48:58
  looked
• 48:58
  up,
• 48:59
  you
• 48:59
  don't
• 48:59
  want
• 48:59
  to
• 49:00
  see
• 49:00
  this
• 49:00
  guy.
• 49:01
  Who
• 49:01
  would
• 49:01
  that
• 49:02
  be
• 49:02
  on
• 49:02
  the
• 49:02
  other
• 49:02
  side
• 49:03
  of
• 49:03
  the
• 49:03
  ball?
• 49:05
  There's
• 49:05
  a
• 49:06
  lot
• 49:06
  of
• 49:06
  great
• 49:06
  players.
• 49:06
  I
• 49:07
  played
• 49:07
  against.
• 49:08
  The
• 49:08
  biggest
• 49:09
  runner,
• 49:09
  biggest
• 49:09
  linebacker
• 49:10
  I
• 49:10
  ever
• 49:10
  seen
• 49:10
  in
• 49:10
  my
• 49:11
  life
• 49:11
  was
• 49:11
  a
• 49:11
  guy
• 49:11
  by
• 49:11
  the
• 49:12
  name
• 49:12
  of
• 49:12
  Fred
• 49:12
  Carr.
• 49:12
  He
• 49:13
  played
• 49:13
  with
• 49:13
  the
• 49:14
  Green
• 49:14
  Bay
• 49:14
  package.
• 49:16
  He
• 49:16
  was
• 49:16
  big
• 49:17
  and
• 49:17
  fast.
• 49:17
  He
• 49:17
  could
• 49:17
  do
• 49:18
  all
• 49:18
  of
• 49:18
  them.
• 49:19
  But
• 49:19
  I
• 49:19
  guess
• 49:21
  the
• 49:21
  one
• 49:21
  guy
• 49:22
  that
• 49:23
  I
• 49:23
  played
• 49:23
  against,
• 49:25
  you
• 49:25
  know,
• 49:25
  I
• 49:25
  only
• 49:26
  played
• 49:26
  against
• 49:26
  him
• 49:26
  a
• 49:26
  few
• 49:27
  times.
• 49:27
  I
• 49:28
  played
• 49:28
  against
• 49:28
  a
• 49:28
  lot
• 49:28
  of
• 49:28
  great,
• 49:29
  great
• 49:29
  players.
• 49:29
  Thomas
• 49:30
  Henderson,
• 49:31
  you
• 49:31
  know,
• 49:31
  he
• 49:32
  was
• 49:32
  like,
• 49:32
  he
• 49:33
  had
• 49:33
  sprinter
• 49:33
  speed
• 49:34
  and
• 49:34
  all
• 49:34
  that
• 49:34
  kind
• 49:34
  of
• 49:35
  stuff.
• 49:35
  He
• 49:35
  played
• 49:35
  with
• 49:35
  Dallas
• 49:36
  right
• 49:36
  before
• 49:37
  then,
• 49:39
  you
• 49:39
  know,
• 49:40
  Jack,
• 49:41
  Jack
• 49:41
  Ham.
• 49:42
  Jack
• 49:43
  Ham.
• 49:45
  Yeah.
• 49:45
  He
• 49:45
  was
• 49:46
  like,
• 49:47
  you
• 49:47
  ever
• 49:48
  been
• 49:48
  on
• 49:48
  your
• 49:48
  porch
• 49:49
  in
• 49:49
  the
• 49:49
  summer
• 49:50
  and
• 49:51
  the
• 49:51
  bugs
• 49:51
  are
• 49:52
  out
• 49:52
  like
• 49:52
  gnats
• 49:52
  and
• 49:53
  everything?
• 49:55
  Yeah,
• 49:56
  they
• 49:57
  keep
• 49:57
  bugging
• 49:57
  you
• 49:57
  and
• 49:57
  you
• 49:58
  keep
• 49:58
  swatting
• 49:58
  them
• 49:58
  away,
• 50:00
  but
• 50:01
  they
• 50:01
  always
• 50:01
  dare,
• 50:02
  right?
• 50:03
  That's
• 50:04
  how
• 50:04
  I
• 50:04
  look
• 50:04
  at
• 50:04
  him.
• 50:05
  He
• 50:05
  was
• 50:05
  like,
• 50:06
  okay,
• 50:07
  best
• 50:07
  stuff.
• 50:07
  Trying
• 50:07
  to
• 50:08
  put
• 50:08
  a
• 50:08
  move
• 50:08
  on,
• 50:08
  but
• 50:09
  I
• 50:09
  might
• 50:09
  get
• 50:10
  to
• 50:10
  have
• 50:10
  a
• 50:10
  step
• 50:11
  on
• 50:11
  him.
• 50:11
  But
• 50:12
  he
• 50:12
  was
• 50:13
  just
• 50:13
  always
• 50:14
  there,
• 50:15
  you
• 50:15
  know,
• 50:16
  he
• 50:16
  was
• 50:16
  just
• 50:17
  he
• 50:17
  was
• 50:18
  a
• 50:18
  really
• 50:18
  good
• 50:18
  football
• 50:19
  player
• 50:19
  and
• 50:19
  linebacker.
• 50:20
  And
• 50:21
  I
• 50:22
  just
• 50:22
  thought
• 50:22
  that
• 50:23
  some
• 50:24
  of
• 50:24
  the,
• 50:24
  I
• 50:24
  played
• 50:24
  against
• 50:25
  a
• 50:25
  lot
• 50:25
  of
• 50:25
  gravens,
• 50:26
  but
• 50:26
  I
• 50:26
  remember
• 50:26
  him
• 50:26
  because
• 50:28
  he
• 50:28
  was
• 50:28
  just
• 50:29
  like
• 50:29
  a
• 50:30
  nuisance.
• 50:33
  Really
• 50:33
  darn
• 50:33
  good
• 50:33
  football
• 50:34
  player.
• 50:34
  You
• 50:35
  guys
• 50:35
  can
• 50:35
  look
• 50:35
  him
• 50:36
  up,
• 50:36
  too.
• 50:36
  Jack
• 50:36
  Hamm,
• 50:37
  Pittsburgh
• 50:37
  Steelers.
• 50:38
  As
• 50:38
  Chuck
• 50:38
  says,
• 50:39
  the
• 50:40
  great
• 50:40
  Chuck
• 50:40
  foreman
• 50:41
  is
• 50:41
  with
• 50:41
  us
• 50:41
  tonight
• 50:42
  on
• 50:42
  sports
• 50:42
  talk
• 50:43
  New
• 50:43
  York.
• 50:43
  Now,
• 50:44
  Chuck,
• 50:45
  you
• 50:45
  got
• 50:45
  into
• 50:46
  teaching
• 50:46
  after
• 50:47
  your
• 50:47
  pro
• 50:48
  football
• 50:48
  career.
• 50:49
  What
• 50:49
  made
• 50:50
  you
• 50:50
  want
• 50:50
  to
• 50:50
  get
• 50:50
  into
• 50:51
  teaching?
• 50:52
  Well,
• 50:53
  of
• 50:53
  course,
• 50:53
  I
• 50:53
  was,
• 50:54
  you
• 50:54
  know,
• 50:54
  growing
• 50:55
  up,
• 50:55
  when
• 50:55
  I
• 50:55
  grew
• 50:55
  up,
• 50:55
  you
• 50:56
  know,
• 50:56
  everybody,
• 50:57
  my
• 50:57
  father,
• 50:58
  you
• 50:58
  know,
• 50:59
  he
• 50:59
  was
• 50:59
  a
• 50:59
  teacher,
• 51:00
  but
• 51:00
  he
• 51:01
  didn't
• 51:01
  even
• 51:01
  stay
• 51:02
  in
• 51:02
  the
• 51:02
  field,
• 51:02
  but
• 51:03
  he
• 51:03
  was
• 51:03
  everybody
• 51:05
  that
• 51:05
  we
• 51:05
  grew
• 51:05
  up
• 51:06
  with
• 51:07
  in
• 51:07
  my
• 51:08
  neighborhood.
• 51:08
  You
• 51:09
  know,
• 51:09
  a
• 51:09
  lot
• 51:09
  of
• 51:09
  the
• 51:11
  more
• 51:11
  teachers,
• 51:12
  my
• 51:12
  parents
• 51:13
  friends
• 51:13
  were
• 51:13
  teachers
• 51:14
  and
• 51:14
  educators
• 51:15
  and
• 51:15
  stuff
• 51:15
  like
• 51:16
  that.
• 51:16
  But
• 51:16
  that,
• 51:16
  in
• 51:17
  those
• 51:17
  days,
• 51:17
  that
• 51:17
  was
• 51:18
  like
• 51:19
  the
• 51:19
  job
• 51:19
  you
• 51:20
  want.
• 51:20
  You
• 51:20
  know,
• 51:20
  you
• 51:21
  can
• 51:21
  go
• 51:21
  and
• 51:21
  you
• 51:21
  can
• 51:22
  teach
• 51:22
  you
• 51:23
  to
• 51:24
  guide
• 51:25
  the
• 51:25
  youngsters
• 51:26
  and
• 51:26
  all
• 51:26
  that
• 51:26
  kind
• 51:26
  of
• 51:26
  stuff.
• 51:27
  And
• 51:27
  so
• 51:27
  I
• 51:27
  went
• 51:27
  to
• 51:27
  the
• 51:27
  University
• 51:28
  of
• 51:28
  Miami
• 51:28
  and
• 51:28
  I
• 51:29
  decided
• 51:29
  to
• 51:30
  get
• 51:30
  a
• 51:30
  teaching
• 51:31
  degree.
• 51:31
  And
• 51:34
  then
• 51:35
  I
• 51:35
  came
• 51:35
  up,
• 51:35
  but
• 51:36
  I
• 51:36
  never
• 51:36
  really
• 51:37
  taught
• 51:37
  full
• 51:37
  time.
• 51:38
  I
• 51:39
  mostly
• 51:41
  substitute
• 51:42
  for
• 51:42
  a
• 51:42
  long,
• 51:43
  long
• 51:43
  time
• 51:44
  because
• 51:45
  I
• 51:45
  didn't
• 51:45
  want
• 51:45
  to.
• 51:45
  I
• 51:46
  had
• 51:46
  other
• 51:46
  things
• 51:46
  going
• 51:47
  on,
• 51:47
  but
• 51:47
  I
• 51:47
  did
• 51:48
  get
• 51:48
  into
• 51:48
  classroom.
• 51:48
  I
• 51:49
  really
• 51:49
  enjoyed
• 51:49
  the
• 51:49
  it.
• 51:50
  And
• 51:50
  actually,
• 51:52
  up
• 51:52
  until
• 51:52
  Covid,
• 51:53
  I
• 51:53
  was
• 51:54
  working
• 51:54
  in
• 51:54
  the
• 51:54
  Bloomington
• 51:55
  system.
• 51:56
  Bloomington,
• 51:57
  Minnesota.
• 51:57
  Right.
• 51:59
  But,
• 52:00
  you
• 52:00
  know,
• 52:02
  that
• 52:02
  was
• 52:02
  a
• 52:02
  bad
• 52:02
  choice.
• 52:03
  I
• 52:03
  really
• 52:03
  didn't,
• 52:04
  I
• 52:05
  didn't
• 52:05
  think
• 52:05
  I
• 52:05
  could
• 52:05
  do
• 52:05
  it
• 52:06
  full
• 52:06
  time,
• 52:06
  but
• 52:07
  I
• 52:07
  just
• 52:07
  did
• 52:07
  it,
• 52:08
  you
• 52:08
  know,
• 52:09
  just
• 52:09
  to
• 52:09
  keep
• 52:09
  busy.
• 52:10
  And
• 52:11
  I
• 52:11
  really
• 52:11
  enjoyed
• 52:12
  it.
• 52:13
  And
• 52:13
  you
• 52:13
  came
• 52:14
  up
• 52:14
  with
• 52:14
  a
• 52:14
  program
• 52:15
  called
• 52:16
  Sound
• 52:16
  Advice
• 52:17
  for
• 52:17
  Life.
• 52:19
  Right.
• 52:19
  Tell
• 52:20
  us
• 52:20
  a
• 52:20
  little
• 52:20
  bit
• 52:20
  about
• 52:20
  that.
• 52:21
  Yeah,
• 52:22
  that's
• 52:22
  a
• 52:22
  little,
• 52:22
  that
• 52:23
  was
• 52:23
  a
• 52:23
  program
• 52:23
  I
• 52:24
  put
• 52:24
  together.
• 52:25
  And
• 52:25
  what
• 52:25
  we
• 52:25
  would
• 52:26
  do
• 52:26
  is
• 52:26
  we
• 52:26
  would
• 52:28
  go
• 52:28
  into
• 52:28
  schools
• 52:30
  and
• 52:31
  give
• 52:31
  a
• 52:31
  good,
• 52:31
  positive
• 52:32
  talk
• 52:33
  to
• 52:33
  the
• 52:34
  young
• 52:34
  people
• 52:34
  we
• 52:34
  go.
• 52:35
  And
• 52:35
  then
• 52:36
  I
• 52:36
  partnered
• 52:36
  with
• 52:38
  Walmart
• 52:41
  when
• 52:41
  I
• 52:42
  used
• 52:42
  to
• 52:42
  go
• 52:42
  to
• 52:42
  the
• 52:42
  dad
• 52:42
  used
• 52:43
  to
• 52:43
  do
• 52:43
  this
• 52:43
  thing
• 52:43
  and
• 52:43
  raise
• 52:44
  money
• 52:44
  for
• 52:46
  the
• 52:46
  children's
• 52:46
  Miracle
• 52:47
  network.
• 52:47
  And
• 52:47
  then
• 52:48
  also
• 52:48
  when
• 52:49
  we
• 52:49
  were
• 52:49
  in
• 52:49
  the
• 52:49
  towns,
• 52:50
  we'd
• 52:50
  go
• 52:50
  to
• 52:50
  the
• 52:50
  schools
• 52:51
  that
• 52:51
  were
• 52:51
  in
• 52:52
  the
• 52:52
  particular
• 52:53
  towns
• 52:53
  and
• 52:54
  give
• 52:54
  a
• 52:54
  good,
• 52:55
  positive
• 52:55
  message
• 52:56
  to
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  young
• 52:56
  people.
• 52:58
  And
• 52:59
  that
• 52:59
  was
• 53:01
  something
• 53:02
  that
• 53:02
  I
• 53:02
  enjoyed
• 53:02
  doing
• 53:03
  and
• 53:03
  sharing
• 53:04
  with
• 53:04
  people
• 53:04
  because
• 53:04
  I
• 53:04
  had
• 53:05
  some
• 53:05
  other
• 53:05
  players
• 53:06
  that
• 53:06
  used
• 53:06
  to
• 53:06
  come
• 53:06
  out
• 53:07
  with
• 53:07
  me.
• 53:08
  And
• 53:09
  so,
• 53:09
  you
• 53:09
  know,
• 53:10
  I
• 53:11
  was
• 53:11
  always
• 53:11
  the
• 53:11
  kind
• 53:11
  of
• 53:12
  independent.
• 53:12
  I
• 53:12
  knew
• 53:13
  I
• 53:13
  couldn't
• 53:13
  go
• 53:13
  work
• 53:14
  for
• 53:14
  somebody
• 53:15
  because
• 53:16
  it
• 53:17
  just
• 53:17
  wouldn't
• 53:18
  work
• 53:18
  that
• 53:18
  way.
• 53:18
  But
• 53:19
  I
• 53:19
  got
• 53:20
  finally
• 53:20
  found
• 53:20
  something
• 53:21
  I
• 53:21
  like
• 53:21
  to
• 53:21
  do
• 53:22
  and
• 53:22
  that
• 53:22
  benefited
• 53:23
  me
• 53:24
  and
• 53:25
  other
• 53:25
  people.
• 53:26
  So
• 53:27
  I
• 53:29
  found
• 53:29
  the
• 53:29
  right
• 53:30
  thing
• 53:30
  to
• 53:30
  do
• 53:30
  for
• 53:30
  me.
• 53:31
  I
• 53:31
  can't
• 53:31
  speak
• 53:31
  for
• 53:32
  everybody
• 53:32
  else,
• 53:33
  but
• 53:34
  I
• 53:34
  like
• 53:35
  that
• 53:35
  independent,
• 53:36
  right.
• 53:37
  And
• 53:38
  certainly
• 53:39
  provided
• 53:40
  positive
• 53:41
  reinforcement
• 53:42
  for
• 53:43
  other
• 53:43
  people
• 53:44
  and
• 53:45
  did
• 53:45
  a
• 53:45
  great
• 53:45
  job
• 53:46
  for
• 53:46
  them.
• 53:47
  I
• 53:47
  want
• 53:47
  to
• 53:47
  mention,
• 53:48
  Chuck,
• 53:49
  you
• 53:49
  have
• 53:49
  a
• 53:49
  new
• 53:49
  website
• 53:50
  out.
• 53:50
  I
• 53:50
  want
• 53:50
  to
• 53:51
  tell
• 53:51
  the
• 53:51
  folks.
• 53:52
  You
• 53:52
  could
• 53:52
  go
• 53:52
  there
• 53:53
  right
• 53:53
  now.
• 53:53
  It's
• 53:53
  Chuck
• 53:54
  Foreman,
• 53:54
  44
• 53:55
  dot
• 53:56
  dot.
• 53:57
  All
• 53:58
  one
• 53:58
  word.
• 53:58
  Chuck
• 53:58
  Foreman,
• 53:59
  44
• 54:00
  dot
• 54:00
  dot.
• 54:01
  Tell
• 54:01
  us
• 54:02
  about
• 54:02
  the
• 54:02
  new
• 54:02
  website,
• 54:03
  the
• 54:03
  exciting
• 54:03
  website,
• 54:04
  Chuck.
• 54:05
  Well,
• 54:06
  three
• 54:06
  and
• 54:07
  a
• 54:07
  half
• 54:07
  years
• 54:07
  ago,
• 54:07
  I
• 54:07
  met
• 54:07
  this
• 54:08
  young
• 54:08
  man.
• 54:08
  His
• 54:09
  name
• 54:09
  was
• 54:09
  Ben
• 54:09
  Tice
• 54:10
  from
• 54:10
  his
• 54:11
  group.
• 54:12
  And
• 54:12
  of
• 54:12
  course,
• 54:13
  you
• 54:13
  know,
• 54:13
  the
• 54:13
  social
• 54:14
  media
• 54:14
  and
• 54:14
  stuff
• 54:14
  like
• 54:15
  that,
• 54:15
  I'm
• 54:15
  afraid
• 54:15
  of
• 54:16
  still
• 54:16
  am.
• 54:17
  And.
• 54:18
  But
• 54:18
  I
• 54:18
  met
• 54:18
  him,
• 54:19
  and
• 54:19
  he's
• 54:20
  talked
• 54:20
  me
• 54:20
  into
• 54:21
  giving
• 54:21
  him
• 54:22
  access
• 54:22
  to
• 54:24
  all
• 54:24
  the
• 54:25
  stuff
• 54:25
  that
• 54:25
  I
• 54:25
  could
• 54:25
  probably
• 54:26
  do
• 54:27
  through
• 54:28
  social
• 54:28
  media.
• 54:30
  And
• 54:30
  so
• 54:30
  we
• 54:30
  started,
• 54:31
  he
• 54:31
  started
• 54:32
  marketing
• 54:33
  me.
• 54:34
  We
• 54:34
  do
• 54:35
  a
• 54:35
  lot
• 54:35
  of
• 54:35
  speaking
• 54:35
  engagements.
• 54:36
  We
• 54:36
  do
• 54:37
  a
• 54:37
  lot
• 54:37
  of
• 54:37
  fundraising.
• 54:38
  We
• 54:38
  do
• 54:39
  sell
• 54:39
  products.
• 54:40
  We
• 54:40
  sell
• 54:40
  a
• 54:40
  lot
• 54:40
  of
• 54:41
  stuff,
• 54:41
  you
• 54:41
  know,
• 54:41
  like
• 54:41
  autographs,
• 54:43
  merchandise,
• 54:44
  and
• 54:45
  all
• 54:46
  that.
• 54:46
  Great
• 54:47
  stuff.
• 54:47
  Great
• 54:48
  stuff.
• 54:50
  It's
• 54:51
  been
• 54:51
  an
• 54:51
  exciting
• 54:52
  time
• 54:53
  because
• 54:53
  I
• 54:53
  would
• 54:53
  never,
• 54:54
  without
• 54:55
  Sko
• 54:56
  marketing
• 54:57
  and
• 54:58
  Ben
• 54:58
  Tyson
• 54:59
  and
• 54:59
  the
• 54:59
  people
• 55:00
  that
• 55:00
  work
• 55:00
  with
• 55:00
  him,
• 55:01
  you
• 55:02
  know,
• 55:02
  I
• 55:02
  would
• 55:02
  have
• 55:02
  never
• 55:03
  gotten
• 55:04
  into
• 55:04
  doing
• 55:06
  what
• 55:06
  we
• 55:06
  do
• 55:07
  this
• 55:07
  way,
• 55:07
  because
• 55:07
  before,
• 55:08
  I
• 55:08
  was
• 55:08
  just,
• 55:08
  like
• 55:08
  I
• 55:08
  said,
• 55:09
  I
• 55:10
  was
• 55:10
  traveling
• 55:10
  around,
• 55:11
  you
• 55:11
  know,
• 55:12
  work,
• 55:12
  taking
• 55:12
  out,
• 55:13
  taking
• 55:13
  stuff
• 55:14
  to,
• 55:14
  like,
• 55:15
  stores
• 55:16
  and
• 55:16
  raising
• 55:16
  money
• 55:17
  for
• 55:17
  the
• 55:17
  charities,
• 55:17
  and
• 55:18
  then,
• 55:18
  you
• 55:19
  know,
• 55:19
  and
• 55:20
  really
• 55:20
  have
• 55:21
  access
• 55:21
  to
• 55:21
  so
• 55:22
  many
• 55:22
  people
• 55:23
  like
• 55:24
  we
• 55:24
  do
• 55:24
  now
• 55:24
  with
• 55:24
  the
• 55:25
  social
• 55:25
  media
• 55:26
  platform.
• 55:27
  And
• 55:27
  so
• 55:27
  I
• 55:28
  got
• 55:28
  into
• 55:28
  that
• 55:28
  about
• 55:29
  three
• 55:29
  years
• 55:29
  ago
• 55:29
  with
• 55:29
  this.
• 55:31
  Been
• 55:32
  an
• 55:32
  eye
• 55:32
  opener.
• 55:33
  We
• 55:33
  do
• 55:33
  a
• 55:34
  lot
• 55:34
  of
• 55:34
  things
• 55:36
  regarding
• 55:36
  whether
• 55:36
  it's
• 55:37
  a
• 55:37
  charity
• 55:37
  or
• 55:38
  whether
• 55:38
  it's
• 55:39
  game
• 55:39
  day,
• 55:40
  watching
• 55:41
  what
• 55:41
  we
• 55:41
  go
• 55:42
  watch.
• 55:42
  Are
• 55:42
  we
• 55:42
  fundraising?
• 55:45
  Speaking?
• 55:46
  I
• 55:46
  mean,
• 55:46
  we
• 55:47
  do.
• 55:48
  I've
• 55:48
  been.
• 55:48
  I've
• 55:49
  been
• 55:49
  able
• 55:49
  to
• 55:50
  do
• 55:50
  a
• 55:50
  lot
• 55:51
  of
• 55:51
  things
• 55:51
  that
• 55:51
  I
• 55:51
  like
• 55:52
  doing,
• 55:52
  but
• 55:53
  I
• 55:53
  have.
• 55:53
  I
• 55:54
  have
• 55:54
  a
• 55:54
  platform
• 55:55
  to
• 55:55
  do
• 55:55
  it
• 55:55
  with
• 55:56
  now.
• 55:56
  So
• 55:56
  if
• 55:56
  anybody
• 55:57
  wants
• 55:57
  to
• 55:57
  check
• 55:58
  it
• 55:58
  out,
• 55:58
  they
• 55:58
  can
• 55:58
  go
• 55:58
  to
• 55:58
  Chuck
• 55:59
  Foreman,
• 55:59
  44
• 56:00
  dot,
• 56:01
  and
• 56:02
  you
• 56:02
  can
• 56:02
  find
• 56:02
  out
• 56:03
  everything
• 56:03
  we're
• 56:03
  doing,
• 56:04
  merchandise,
• 56:05
  speaking
• 56:06
  engagements.
• 56:07
  Hey,
• 56:08
  we
• 56:08
  can
• 56:08
  come.
• 56:08
  Hey,
• 56:08
  if
• 56:08
  you
• 56:09
  want
• 56:09
  me
• 56:09
  to
• 56:09
  come
• 56:09
  to
• 56:10
  anything,
• 56:10
  for
• 56:11
  the
• 56:11
  most
• 56:11
  part,
• 56:12
  we
• 56:13
  have
• 56:14
  a
• 56:15
  way
• 56:15
  of
• 56:15
  being
• 56:15
  able
• 56:15
  to
• 56:16
  help
• 56:16
  you.
• 56:16
  So
• 56:16
  it
• 56:17
  keeps
• 56:17
  a
• 56:17
  guy
• 56:18
  like
• 56:18
  Chuck
• 56:18
  Foreman,
• 56:19
  a
• 56:19
  great
• 56:19
  football
• 56:20
  player,
• 56:21
  in
• 56:21
  front
• 56:21
  of
• 56:21
  you
• 56:22
  folks,
• 56:23
  and
• 56:23
  you
• 56:24
  could
• 56:24
  pick
• 56:24
  up
• 56:24
  an
• 56:24
  autograph,
• 56:25
  find
• 56:26
  out
• 56:26
  where
• 56:26
  Chuck's
• 56:26
  going
• 56:26
  to
• 56:27
  be.
• 56:27
  Let's
• 56:28
  talk
• 56:28
  about
• 56:28
  the
• 56:28
  hall
• 56:28
  of
• 56:29
  Fame
• 56:29
  in
• 56:29
  a
• 56:29
  couple
• 56:30
  of
• 56:30
  minutes.
• 56:30
  We
• 56:30
  have
• 56:31
  left
• 56:31
  Chuck,
• 56:32
  your
• 56:33
  hall
• 56:33
  of
• 56:33
  fame
• 56:33
  campaign.
• 56:34
  Tell
• 56:34
  us
• 56:34
  about
• 56:35
  that
• 56:36
  again.
• 56:37
  Ben
• 56:37
  Tyson,
• 56:38
  Jack
• 56:39
  McKeek,
• 56:39
  and
• 56:40
  a
• 56:40
  lot
• 56:40
  of
• 56:41
  fans.
• 56:42
  To
• 56:42
  be
• 56:42
  quite
• 56:43
  honest
• 56:43
  with
• 56:43
  you,
• 56:45
  I'd
• 56:45
  say
• 56:45
  90%
• 56:46
  of
• 56:46
  the
• 56:46
  people
• 56:46
  that
• 56:47
  I
• 56:47
  meet
• 56:47
  already
• 56:47
  think
• 56:48
  I'm
• 56:48
  in
• 56:48
  the
• 56:48
  hall
• 56:48
  of
• 56:48
  fame
• 56:49
  right
• 56:50
  I
• 56:50
  mean,
• 56:51
  they
• 56:51
  do.
• 56:51
  I
• 56:51
  mean,
• 56:52
  and
• 56:52
  then
• 56:52
  when
• 56:52
  they
• 56:53
  find
• 56:53
  out
• 56:53
  that
• 56:53
  I'm
• 56:53
  not,
• 56:54
  I'm
• 56:54
  like,
• 56:55
  you
• 56:55
  know,
• 56:55
  and
• 56:56
  then
• 56:56
  actually.
• 56:57
  So
• 56:57
  anyway,
• 56:59
  what
• 56:59
  happened
• 57:00
  was
• 57:00
  we
• 57:00
  started
• 57:01
  to
• 57:01
  research
• 57:01
  the
• 57:01
  thing,
• 57:02
  and
• 57:02
  I
• 57:02
  didn't
• 57:03
  know
• 57:03
  how
• 57:03
  the
• 57:03
  hall
• 57:03
  of
• 57:03
  fame
• 57:03
  worked
• 57:04
  or
• 57:04
  anything
• 57:04
  like
• 57:04
  that.
• 57:05
  I
• 57:05
  just
• 57:05
  thought
• 57:05
  that
• 57:06
  the
• 57:06
  fact
• 57:06
  you
• 57:06
  turned
• 57:06
  in
• 57:07
  your
• 57:07
  name,
• 57:11
  they
• 57:11
  look
• 57:11
  at
• 57:11
  what
• 57:12
  you
• 57:12
  had
• 57:12
  and
• 57:12
  offer
• 57:13
  or
• 57:13
  not,
• 57:13
  but
• 57:13
  come
• 57:13
  to
• 57:14
  find
• 57:14
  out
• 57:14
  that
• 57:14
  never
• 57:15
  happened,
• 57:16
  and
• 57:16
  so
• 57:17
  what
• 57:18
  we.
• 57:18
  What
• 57:19
  Ben
• 57:19
  did,
• 57:19
  we
• 57:20
  started
• 57:20
  calling.
• 57:20
  Ben
• 57:20
  started
• 57:21
  calling
• 57:21
  and
• 57:21
  finding
• 57:22
  out
• 57:22
  what
• 57:22
  we
• 57:22
  come
• 57:23
  to
• 57:23
  find
• 57:23
  out
• 57:24
  that
• 57:24
  I
• 57:24
  had
• 57:24
  never,
• 57:25
  ever
• 57:25
  been
• 57:25
  on
• 57:25
  the
• 57:26
  list
• 57:26
  to
• 57:26
  be
• 57:26
  considered
• 57:27
  to
• 57:28
  be
• 57:28
  in
• 57:28
  the
• 57:28
  hall
• 57:28
  of
• 57:28
  fame
• 57:29
  ever.
• 57:30
  You
• 57:30
  hear
• 57:31
  what
• 57:31
  I'm
• 57:31
  saying?
• 57:31
  So,
• 57:31
  like,
• 57:32
  to
• 57:32
  me,
• 57:32
  I'm
• 57:32
  like,
• 57:33
  you
• 57:33
  got
• 57:33
  to
• 57:33
  be
• 57:33
  joking.
• 57:34
  I'm
• 57:34
  talking
• 57:35
  about
• 57:35
  within
• 57:35
  my
• 57:36
  era.
• 57:36
  I
• 57:36
  can't
• 57:36
  speak
• 57:37
  to
• 57:37
  before
• 57:37
  or
• 57:37
  after
• 57:38
  me.
• 57:38
  I'm
• 57:39
  speaking
• 57:39
  for
• 57:39
  all
• 57:39
  the
• 57:39
  guys
• 57:40
  that.
• 57:40
  That
• 57:41
  I
• 57:41
  played
• 57:41
  against,
• 57:42
  you
• 57:42
  know,
• 57:42
  that
• 57:43
  are
• 57:43
  in
• 57:43
  there.
• 57:44
  And
• 57:44
  I
• 57:45
  have,
• 57:45
  you
• 57:45
  know,
• 57:46
  my
• 57:46
  stuff
• 57:46
  was
• 57:47
  better
• 57:47
  than
• 57:47
  theirs.
• 57:48
  Yeah.
• 57:48
  Or,
• 57:49
  you
• 57:49
  know,
• 57:49
  or
• 57:49
  something
• 57:49
  like
• 57:50
  that.
• 57:50
  And
• 57:50
  I'm
• 57:50
  like.
• 57:50
  And
• 57:51
  it
• 57:51
  came
• 57:51
  to
• 57:51
  mind,
• 57:51
  like,
• 57:52
  well,
• 57:52
  how
• 57:52
  does
• 57:53
  that
• 57:53
  happen?
• 57:53
  But
• 57:53
  anyway,
• 57:54
  they
• 57:54
  put
• 57:54
  together.
• 57:55
  Putting
• 57:56
  together
• 57:56
  this
• 57:56
  guy,
• 57:57
  we
• 57:57
  found
• 57:57
  out
• 57:57
  all
• 57:58
  that,
• 57:58
  that
• 57:59
  I
• 57:59
  had
• 57:59
  never
• 57:59
  even
• 57:59
  been
• 58:00
  on
• 58:00
  the
• 58:00
  list
• 58:00
  to
• 58:00
  be
• 58:00
  considered.
• 58:01
  That
• 58:01
  was
• 58:01
  kind
• 58:01
  of
• 58:01
  like
• 58:02
  a
• 58:02
  shock
• 58:02
  with
• 58:02
  a
• 58:02
  yemenite.
• 58:03
  I
• 58:03
  knew
• 58:03
  I
• 58:03
  wasn't
• 58:04
  in
• 58:04
  the
• 58:04
  hall
• 58:04
  of
• 58:04
  Fame,
• 58:05
  but
• 58:05
  the
• 58:05
  fact
• 58:05
  that
• 58:05
  I
• 58:05
  was
• 58:06
  never
• 58:06
  even
• 58:06
  considered
• 58:06
  to
• 58:07
  be,
• 58:08
  that
• 58:08
  was
• 58:09
  like.
• 58:09
  That
• 58:09
  knocked
• 58:09
  me
• 58:10
  down.
• 58:10
  I'm
• 58:10
  like,
• 58:10
  wow.
• 58:11
  But
• 58:11
  anyway,
• 58:13
  we
• 58:13
  got
• 58:13
  together
• 58:14
  and
• 58:15
  then
• 58:15
  put
• 58:15
  together
• 58:16
  this
• 58:16
  great
• 58:16
  presentation
• 58:18
  for
• 58:18
  the
• 58:18
  hall
• 58:19
  of
• 58:19
  Fame,
• 58:19
  the
• 58:19
  hall
• 58:19
  of
• 58:19
  Fame
• 58:20
  committee,
• 58:21
  you
• 58:21
  know,
• 58:21
  and
• 58:23
  it's
• 58:23
  a
• 58:23
  great
• 58:23
  presentation,
• 58:24
  but
• 58:24
  it
• 58:24
  also
• 58:25
  show
• 58:26
  compares
• 58:27
  me
• 58:27
  to
• 58:28
  some
• 58:28
  of
• 58:28
  the
• 58:28
  players
• 58:28
  in
• 58:28
  my
• 58:29
  era.
• 58:29
  Right.
• 58:30
  That
• 58:30
  are
• 58:30
  in
• 58:30
  there.
• 58:31
  That
• 58:31
  are
• 58:32
  in
• 58:32
  there.
• 58:33
  And
• 58:33
  the
• 58:33
  question
• 58:34
  is,
• 58:34
  why
• 58:34
  am
• 58:34
  I
• 58:35
  not?
• 58:35
  Mm
• 58:35
  hmm.
• 58:36
  Because,
• 58:37
  you
• 58:38
  know,
• 58:38
  when
• 58:39
  you
• 58:39
  look
• 58:39
  at
• 58:39
  the
• 58:39
  stats
• 58:39
  and
• 58:40
  everything
• 58:40
  else,
• 58:40
  you
• 58:41
  know,
• 58:41
  there's
• 58:41
  some
• 58:42
  guys
• 58:42
  that
• 58:42
  never
• 58:42
  even
• 58:43
  been
• 58:43
  to
• 58:44
  a
• 58:44
  playoff
• 58:44
  game.
• 58:45
  And
• 58:45
  I'm
• 58:45
  not
• 58:45
  saying
• 58:46
  they
• 58:46
  belong
• 58:47
  in
• 58:47
  there.
• 58:47
  I
• 58:48
  had
• 58:48
  no
• 58:48
  question.
• 58:48
  But
• 58:48
  I'm
• 58:49
  not
• 58:49
  saying
• 58:49
  that
• 58:50
  I
• 58:50
  was
• 58:50
  able.
• 58:53
  You
• 58:53
  should
• 58:53
  be
• 58:53
  there,
• 58:53
  too.
• 58:55
  But
• 58:56
  it's
• 58:56
  a
• 58:56
  great
• 58:56
  presentation.
• 58:57
  If
• 58:57
  you
• 58:57
  go
• 58:57
  to
• 58:57
  that
• 58:58
  website,
• 58:58
  I
• 58:58
  was
• 58:58
  telling.
• 58:59
  And
• 58:59
  then
• 59:00
  you
• 59:01
  can
• 59:01
  look
• 59:01
  at
• 59:01
  the
• 59:01
  presentation,
• 59:03
  and
• 59:04
  that's
• 59:04
  the
• 59:04
  presentation
• 59:05
  that's
• 59:05
  going
• 59:05
  to
• 59:06
  be
• 59:07
  sent
• 59:07
  to
• 59:08
  the
• 59:08
  senior
• 59:08
  committee
• 59:10
  of
• 59:10
  the
• 59:10
  hall
• 59:11
  of
• 59:11
  Fame
• 59:11
  to
• 59:11
  view.
• 59:12
  Wonderful.
• 59:13
  Well,
• 59:13
  Chuck,
• 59:14
  we're
• 59:15
  going
• 59:15
  to
• 59:15
  tell
• 59:15
  folks
• 59:16
  again.
• 59:16
  Chuck
• 59:16
  Foreman,
• 59:17
  44
• 59:18
  Dot.
• 59:18
  Check
• 59:19
  that
• 59:19
  out.
• 59:19
  Chuck
• 59:20
  Foreman
• 59:20
  belongs
• 59:21
  in
• 59:21
  Canton.
• 59:21
  I
• 59:22
  thank
• 59:22
  you
• 59:22
  taking
• 59:22
  time
• 59:23
  out
• 59:23
  of
• 59:23
  your
• 59:23
  Sunday
• 59:23
  night
• 59:24
  to
• 59:24
  be
• 59:24
  with
• 59:24
  us
• 59:25
  here
• 59:25
  in
• 59:25
  New
• 59:26
  York.
• 59:26
  Chuck,
• 59:27
  wish
• 59:27
  you
• 59:27
  the
• 59:27
  best
• 59:27
  with
• 59:28
  the
• 59:28
  website,
• 59:28
  and
• 59:29
  your
• 59:29
  journey
• 59:29
  hopefully,
• 59:30
  will
• 59:30
  take
• 59:30
  you
• 59:30
  to
• 59:31
  Canton.
• 59:31
  Eventually
• 59:32
  we
• 59:32
  will
• 59:32
  follow
• 59:33
  your
• 59:33
  progress.
• 59:34
  Thanks
• 59:34
  again,
• 59:35
  Chuck.
• 59:35
  Hey,
• 59:36
  thank
• 59:36
  you
• 59:36
  very
• 59:37
  much.
• 59:37
  I
• 59:37
  appreciate
• 59:37
  you
• 59:37
  having
• 59:38
  me.
• 59:38
  That's
• 59:38
  Chuck
• 59:39
  Foreman,
• 59:39
  ladies
• 59:39
  and
• 59:39
  gentlemen.
• 59:40
  That'll
• 59:40
  do
• 59:40
  it
• 59:40
  for
• 59:41
  me
• 59:41
  tonight
• 59:41
  on
• 59:41
  sports
• 59:42
  talk
• 59:42
  New
• 59:42
  York.
• 59:43
  I'd
• 59:43
  like
• 59:43
  to
• 59:43
  thank
• 59:43
  my
• 59:44
  guests
• 59:44
  Ian
• 59:44
  O'Connor
• 59:45
  and
• 59:45
  Chuck
• 59:46
  Foreman,
• 59:46
  my
• 59:47
  engineer
• 59:47
  Brian
• 59:48
  Graves,
• 59:48
  and
• 59:48
  of
• 59:48
  course
• 59:49
  you
• 59:49
  guys
• 59:49
  for
• 59:49
  joining
• 59:50
  us.
• 59:50
  See
• 59:51
  you
• 59:51
  next
• 59:51
  on
• 59:51
  October
• 59:52
  20
• 59:52
  for
• 59:53
  more
• 59:53
  great
• 59:53
  sports
• 59:54
  talk.
• 59:54
  Till
• 59:54
  then,
• 59:55
  be
• 59:55
  safe
• 59:55
  and
• 59:56
  be
• 59:56
  well.
• 59:56
  Bill
• 59:57
  Donahue
• 59:57
  wishing
• 59:58
  you
• 59:58
  a
• 59:58
  good
• 59:58
  evening,
• 59:59
  folks.
• 59:59
  The
• 59:59
  views
• 1:00:00
  expressed
• 1:00:00
  in
• 1:00:00
  the
• 1:00:00
  previous
• 1:00:01
  program
• 1:00:01
  did
• 1:00:02
  not
• 1:00:02
  necessarily
• 1:00:02
  represent
• 1:00:03
  those
• 1:00:03
  of
• 1:00:03
  the
• 1:00:03
  staff,
• 1:00:04
  management
• 1:00:04
  or
• 1:00:05
  owners
• 1:00:05
  of
• 1:00:05
  WGBB.
• 1:00:08
  This
• 1:00:08
  is
• 1:00:09
  WGBB
• 1:00:10
  AM
• 1:00:10
  1240
• 1:00:11
  and
• 1:00:11
  W
• 1:00:12
  240
• 1:00:13
  DFFM
• 1:00:14
  95.9
• 1:00:15
  Freeport,
• 1:00:16
  New
• 1:00:16
  York.
• 1:00:20
  Maybe
• 1:00:21
  your
• 1:00:21
  healing
• 1:00:21
  power
• 1:00:22
  is
• 1:00:22
  helping
• 1:00:22
  veterans
• 1:00:23
  with
• 1:00:23
  PTSD,
• 1:00:24
  traumatic
• 1:00:25
  brain
• 1:00:25
  injury
• 1:00:25
  injuries,
• 1:00:26
  depression,
• 1:00:27
  anxiety,
• 1:00:30
  power,
• 1:00:31
  a
• 1:00:31
  simple
• 1:00:31
  heartfelt
• 1:00:32
  letter
• 1:00:32
  or
• 1:00:33
  a
• 1:00:33
  volunteer.
• 1:00:34
  It
• 1:00:34
  is
• 1:00:34
  estimated
• 1:00:35
  that
• 1:00:35
  over
• 1:00:36
  7
• 1:00:36
  million.
• 1:00:36
  Current
• 1:00:37
  warfighters
• 1:00:37
  will
• 1:00:37
  return
• 1:00:38
  from
• 1:00:38
  service
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  diagnosed
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  with.