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#134: Joshua “Pacey” Neuman / Venezuela / Free Speech / Oral Hygiene / Parenting · Come Together with Ephraim Herschmann

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  Welcome to another episode of Come Together,
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  Pat. Yeah, in an apartment building
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  you always get to because there's 100 people see your
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  Wi-Fi. Cheers, dude.
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  You're so fine, dude. I needed, I need a, what do you
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  call it? I needed to this to be a one of
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  those talking, talking things out podcasts rather than.
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  Yeah, I think. So.
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  It started. I I got some guy texted me while
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  we were all going back and forth on our chat about Venezuela the
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  other day. He's like, dude, I would love to
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  hear Pacey. I'd love to hear you, Pacey,
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  record a conversation about this, about Venezuela, And then
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  I'd let me text you and you're like, yeah, I'm down, dude.
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  Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, all this stuff is fun.
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  What's funny is you keeping up and you good.
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  Yeah, I then this was almost done.
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  It was almost over pissed. Oh, oh, 'cause you.
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  Yeah, you get a little air when you drink beer.
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  Yeah, yeah, I didn't do that. But yeah, man, there's so many
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  different things that I felt like we always talk about in the
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  group. But it's so much better to just
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  like, have a conversation about and let it let it all breathe.
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  Like I walked to kiddish the other week also that I, I feel
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  like we always have this idea that, that everyone, like I, I
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  always at least think that some of the points I say are kind of
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  obvious. But then you'll see and like you
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  see a lot of people online, like, I don't know, I don't mean
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  it like I don't mean it. And so I'm saying like most
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  people are just kind of going about their lives.
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  And that's why it's cool when people put pieces dealing like
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  you'll instinctively know, like Jordan Peterson was good at that
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  originally. At the very beginning, he was
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  like, here's a lot of stuff that like we all kind of know, but no
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  one's been able to kind of like word it correctly.
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  And he came out and said a lot of that stuff.
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  And obviously later on, you can say he, he he is playing with
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  ideas more and maybe he's a little more abstract or
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  whatever, but those original ideas were pretty neat.
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  Yeah. And I bet it's because he's been
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  working on them like he's been working on them for years.
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  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
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  And then you got caught with new.
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  Content and you're like. Oh, you see how hard and you see
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  how how having the original staff, it's so hard.
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  That's why I stopped listening to Ben Shapiro at a certain
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  point and not the way because it's funny.
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  I mean, I probably disagree with him more now than I ever have,
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  but especially when I was in college and I was a creative
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  writing literature major and I was surrounded exclusively by
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  like far, far left people. And it's funny because I wasn't
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  ever exposed to politics, so I didn't even know what that was
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  like. I didn't know what any of that
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  meant. And I would just hear a lot of
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  people in my English classes trying to explain their
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  perspective and very little of it actually made very much
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  sense. So I was like, well, if this is
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  politics, it's kind of dumb. It's kind of dumb that
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  everyone's kind of worked up about this.
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  Yeah. But she grew at that point was
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  really like, absolutely going through campuses and like, like,
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  just really. He he was so grounded and so
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  evidence based and he was going scorched earth on earth on
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  people and obviously bad on late on bad ideas, lazy ideas at
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  work. Yeah.
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  Not thought out, lazy at at worst bad.
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  Yeah. OK, fine.
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  Yeah, and he just did such a good job.
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  He used to go around from campus to campus and his videos were
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  huge. And and you, I'm sure you used
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  to watch those videos. It was like a 45 minute.
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  That was our adventure. That was our child.
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  That was our. Yeah, when we were coming up,
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  that was it. That was the Charlie Kirk at the
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  time. Yeah, he was the, he was the
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  Charlie. And you know who else?
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  Dude who popped up randomly on Tucker's podcast the other week?
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  Milo Yiannopoulos, dude. Oh my gosh, dude.
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  He almost came to Binghamton. My friend Heim Eagleman almost
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  got him to come to Binghamton at the time.
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  And he got and then I think he got cancelled as like as he was
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  about to like join or maybe the university flipped out or
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  something like that. Well, because he's a he was on
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  his flaming, what do you call his flaming bang tour, whatever
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  you call him. Yeah, he was, he was a like
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  provocateur, but it was weird because we, we had words for
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  things that we don't word now. Like, I don't know if he called
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  himself a provocateur, but he certainly said things purposely.
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  Yeah, in a provocateur. And he would and he would, he
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  was so, and I don't know if his ideas always fit together, but
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  like 70% of it was that like initial stuff everyone.
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  So it's like cool. And obviously he was, he was
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  gay, but a conservative. So yeah, like a niche.
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  He's a rage beater. And he was, yeah, he was rage
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  before he had rage beaten point. He was an incredibly unique,
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  unique and. And as far as an entertainer,
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  Yeah. Yeah, I mean that how do you
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  beat that kind of entertainment? No.
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  But then he got, I think it was politically, he got that.
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  You know what's so funny? Every time people try, try to
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  silence, that's what we want to talk about.
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  Freeze. Every time people try to silence
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  voices, it never goes the way you want.
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  So you got Milo out of the car. I'm not about.
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  I disagree with almost everything.
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  Let's be very vague. He's down for an ethno state.
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  Christian nationalism. Like, is he like, yeah, I mean,
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  he well, because now he they get to come back like this would
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  come back. He knows what he needs to do.
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  He when he when he lost his audience, he went, he said he's
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  no longer gay. And that's something he said and
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  he went and yeah, he said that the whole thing on top.
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  Yeah, the whole episode is about him trying to not be gay.
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  He went to he went to a Christian kind of angle and you
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  know, the only ironic. But now it's it's so
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  contradictory to his nature, like, well, yeah, but he's
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  trying to survive in a world where the the yeah, the thing he
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  would to be provocative thing he was just doing was it Yeah, was
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  snagged. And so he pivoted.
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  Listen, you got to respect the of effort.
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  But yeah, I was thinking recently it's it it's so
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  interesting that guys like Lex Friedman and Huberman and Rogan
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  have like kind of catapulted to like this like really historic
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  level of exposure and influence. And in a way that like in the
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  past may have been delegated to musicians or political leaders
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  or, you know, like they, they have taken like such an intense.
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  I really think a big part of why alcohol consumption has been so
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  down in general, it's because rowing quit drinking and talks
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  about it. And Huberman has been never,
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  never really drink and always said like, do drink what you
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  will if you want to, but here's what you're doing yourself.
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  Just be aware of what you're doing.
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  That's true. I remember that.
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  I remember that episode came out a huge episode.
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  Multiple people I know were just, I've been drinking for
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  like 6 months after that was scared.
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  I tried to not drink. I severely limited my drinking
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  like 6 months after that. But, but the point is that and,
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  and what I would imagine, imagine is that throughout
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  history, at least through American history, but I think
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  our history in general, the people that are going through
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  the hardest times are the people that become the most creatively
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  fertile and the most trailblazing, I guess in a
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  certain sense, right? The reason why the Blues were so
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  great in the 60s was because that was like the peak at that
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  point, or I guess the conscious peak where where it was so close
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  to getting, we're so close to rights for the black community
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  and so far from it. And like you could taste the
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  freedom. You were right there and you and
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  then the Blues come out of that and soul comes out of that and
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  jazz comes out of that. And I think that I think the
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  spirit of that, of that, the oppression of that and the
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  fighting back and the fighting back, Yeah, yeah.
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  And the fighting back isn't the best way possible, is suffering
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  in the worst way, of course. Yeah.
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  And I think it's become so cool to have rejected conventional
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  values that people that have conventional values like
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  yourself and myself feel like, it feels like, I don't assume
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  that people are like interested in getting married or having
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  families or having kids. And like, it almost feels like
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  you're part of a club. If you're like, you know, if
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  you, if you believe in the nuclear family.
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  Like it's such a, it's such a cast aside.
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  It's not, it's not portrayed in Hollywood.
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  It's not portrayed in music. It's not really portrayed in
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  culture. Everything's about individuality
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  and and freedom by untethering yourself from responsibility as
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  opposed to freedom from building responsibility.
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  It's funny. I was just, I was just actually
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  like going down a rabbit hole. I mean, it's an obvious one, but
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  you always hear obviously and you hear about, right, Judaism
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  is a, is a box, but life is a series of of restrictions and
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  that is freedom. And you go back to like, and
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  these are like the Cliche or Socrates, Aristotle, right?
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  Everyone always mentions them, no one else.
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  But if you go back to philosophers, that's my thing.
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  It's like, it's like, it's like it's like faux philosophy or
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  like intellectual. There's a great quote by the
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  Plato. Plato.
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  No, but all of the people of that time, we think of the the
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  the mission statement of the Enlightenment, all these things
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  was individuality and was adding individualism to a world that
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  did, you could argue need some level of individualism at a time
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  when people's ability to express themselves.
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  Today, if you look at the 2025% of the world doesn't have basic
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  human rights in the free speech, it's almost like an abhorrent
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  way more than 25% does not have free speech.
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  Way more than 25%. I think it's, I think it was
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  back when I looked this up, it was 24%.
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  But then with this China, which stuff, by the way, China has a
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  one out of people does not have free speech.
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  True. True.
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  But I'm saying 1/4 of people. Yeah.
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  So is, if you think about it. Yeah, it's crazy.
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  More people on this planet. Yeah.
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  Cannot say what I think. Like these are the people that
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  just can't like. And then you have countries
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  where it's like half and half like whatever, but they talk
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  about, it used to be the idea of in old philosophy, it was not
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  the shedding of all responsibility.
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  It was the idea was you should be allowed to shed whatever you
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  have. But part of that moral equation
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  was you have, you still have a moral affirmative duty to, to
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  put together a framework of your own or you and your colleagues
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  or your community. So you can't, it's not just shed
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  this stuff and just leave it alone.
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  I think that's why you see a lot of people now like the Charlie
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  Kirk stuff where it's like, yeah, well, we want a framework
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  and it's like the government's not going to give you a
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  framework. And I'm very the great point of
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  the itself often like the government is the highest goal,
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  the highest value, the highest, the the Big Brother of society
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  as opposed to something like God or suppose something like
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  community or traditional values, even your own family, dude, like
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  people have more, are more, much more invested in what the
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  government has to say than what their family has to say.
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  Yeah. Which is which is why when you
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  think about it, it's just yeah, it's yeah.
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  And so I think yeah, we've so you're right.
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  We've spent so long as a culture and.
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  And by the way, I showed my high school students the The Dead
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  Poets Society. Yeah.
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  Oh, that's right. We're talking about the nominal
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  movie, phenomenal movie. And the.
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  You had seen it. Yeah, I have seen it.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  Who didn't see someone we know since she would only only see
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  who was on the call. Calm out.
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  Yeah. But I mean, the fundamental
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  dynamic of that movie is the misunderstanding between the
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  adult authorities and the children who want to express
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  themselves. And Robin Williams is the person
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  that says, listen, like, to be in a Shakespeare play, you have
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  to be great in a Shakespeare play, you have to be enormously
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  talented. You have to put time in for your
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  lines. You have to do the work through
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  the Shakespeare. You have to translate to
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  yourself for yourself what Shakespeare is trying to say as
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  the actor of it. I mean, I don't know if you've
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  ever taken a Shakespeare class in college, but, oh, you're an
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  English major. You had to have, right?
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  Did you? Yeah, of course.
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  So I mean, you can watch 5 different plays of Much Ado
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  about Nothing and every single one of them is so fundamentally
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  different from one another just by the way that we before.
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  I mean, that's the reason why when you read a script.
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  So, but anyway, the point so, so this movie was about how a kid
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  wants to act and his dad doesn't let him and says, no, you got to
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  be respond. Like to shut down greatness,
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  creativity and affinity towards the, the, the humanities in the
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  arts is obviously so wrong. But to go all the way the other
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  way to say to pursue the arts to the extent that there is no
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  responsibility. And there is also apparently,
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  and I think that's where we are. And so I think the reason why
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  full circle why things like Rogan and Huberman, unless
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  Freedman are so popular, is because they're people that are,
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  that are not afraid to self. First of all, they don't self
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  censor and they say things like we want family values.
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  We respect that, you know, Rogan respects his family and his
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  privacy and humor. Made talks about how he wants to
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  have, you know, get married and have a family.
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  And like, even if you've been following Human's podcast for a
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  couple of years and you notice things like his dad is on and he
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  always talked about how you had a complicated relationship with
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  his dad and then to have him on is like you can feel for him as
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  the audience. Hey, I'm cheering on a father
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  and a son repairing a difficult, obviously relationship difficult
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  and tense and I want to do that. That's beautiful.
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  That's inspiring as as opposed to I know people that have wrote
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  in college thesis papers on why you should never talk to your
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  family again if they're unhealthy and like what you
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  going to do, you know? No, I, I think these are I think
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  it's just life is just very can be very tumultuous and
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  complicated and trying to reduce it down to some.
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  Well, I think in general, are you going to talk about the, I
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  think people are just trying to reduce things down to its
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  simplest form because it's bite, then it's bite size.
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  I remember my father had a funny line because he, my father wrote
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  books and you know, very a successful therapist,
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  specifically in marriage and divorce.
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  And, you know, he, he had this joke, obviously this joke
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  because he, he loved writing, he loved great ideas.
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  But he said he's like, I don't know why I write these, these
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  substantive books that teach you real lessons and and tell you
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  about the hard work you can do to, you know, repair a
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  relationship, make the relationship sounds like he's
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  like, I don't know why I'm doing that when, you know, I could
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  just write. I just write a 50 page, you
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  know, wish it wanted do it right from what the fact, like he
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  always joked about that, like he would probably sell more.
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  That's what that was the joke. But he didn't want to do that
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  because because he you could. I mean, the reason he's very
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  good at weight because he genuinely loves helping people
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  and and he has the emotional intelligence for it, the IQ for
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  it, and he just very good at it. But that translated into the way
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  that he raised you guys. Like do you see that he was very
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  conscientious about very conscientious.
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  And you can pick that up as his kid.
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  Yeah, more and more as you got older, right.
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  As a 5 year old, I just see, wow, you know, my father's very,
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  he's listening to me like whatever.
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  But but no, he we've talked about it.
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  I even did a little video with him.
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  But where it's, it's, it's not like just about listening, but
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  understanding where someone comes from.
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  And I think I've like the world has so much Gray in it.
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  If you just understand where someone's coming from, you'd be
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  shocked how much 90% of the work, how much of the work that
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  yeah, that that gets you. It's just it's it's almost you.
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  You'd almost wouldn't believe it unless you like really try
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  because then you realize everyone's.
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  And that's a thing. I'll talk about Bench.
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  I think Ben Shapiro's mistake recently was kind of leaving
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  that doctrine where he always, I think Peterson said that he said
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  you always have to assume that the person's coming to the table
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  is really means it, right. You can't assume a bad faith
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  actor or you can't or you won't ever engage in that.
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  It'll just shut down. You always have to assume the
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  person's being authentic. I know.
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  I'm just realizing one of the issues maybe today is that it's
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  not is that everyone's everyone's with all the rage,
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  but you're mixing up the comedy and the authenticity and it's
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  fun. Listen, I'm not saying it's not
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  good fun, but if if it if you can't really parse it out and if
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  you try to hold someone to it and they dance around it
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  because, well, that was a joke. I said on street, It's it.
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  I maybe that's why it becomes different, by the way.
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  But even if that happens, that does clarify and repair the
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  damage. It does repair the damage and it
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  does, I think for example, like the Dave Smith and Nick Fontes
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  debate or conversation, rather a podcast where Dave, he was like,
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  dude, like you really think that there weren't 6,000,000 Jews
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  killed? He was like, Nah, he goes, I'm
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  not. Are you going to push me?
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  That and I'll be like, yeah, OK. Like, I don't feel like I don't
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  care enough to, like, make this statement.
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  So am I going to be inclined to, like, say something outrageous?
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  Yeah. And then if I'm pressed on it,
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  will I change my mind? Sure.
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  Like, it's not, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
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  And I think that we need more of those type of hills that I want
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  to die on. And then you prove a bad idea to
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  be a bad idea. And then all his listeners
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  presumably will understand like, oh, well, like, if that's not a
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  hill will die on, we're not going to die on the hill.
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  You know, you're like, that's great.
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  So that's the that's the value of the conversation.
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  Yeah. And if you if you let everyone
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  just talk, I don't know, like, it's just so obvious, like I was
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  you speak like one of the things I like freedom of speech.
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  It's like, besides all of the the ACLU work that was done
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  with, you know, trying to protect Nazis, right.
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  To to speak to Mark. It's a great article from 2021.
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  I remember it because it was Wall Street Journal.
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  They were, I think, celebrating the one of the last good
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  articles they wrote recently. They wrote about a 20 and 80
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  year old ACLU Jewish lawyer. It wasn't the main guy.
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  I'm forgetting his name. I apologize, like setting the
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  article. I just remember vitally, and
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  it's him at this celebration on in on behalf of him and all, and
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  he's sitting there at the ACLU event and all the new attorneys,
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  all these young and like as as a lawyer, I understand where
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  they're coming from ambition wise.
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  They're they're playing in the world.
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  They were giving right. They don't want to defend Nazis.
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  They don't want to defend white supremacists.
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  They want to defend, you know, they want to do the SJW.
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  They want to do the the that that you know, quote UN quote,
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  good work. And so they're doing speeches
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  where they're saying and we're proud because it's it's it's
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  different branches like each state.
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  We're proud to have defended this group, this group, this
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  group and not this group. And the article goes through the
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  Sky's like almost horror at like this isn't this isn't a defense
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  of free speech. This is advocacy.
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  And this is like a nightmare. And you.
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  We're not. You know, excuse my friend, I'm
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  bullshitting here. Like AI is coming.
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  Like if like are we here to preserve people's ability to say
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  whatever they want whenever they want without prosecution of
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  government or are we not And either you believe that the
• 18:52
  people's ability within 10 years.
• 18:54
  We're not, I don't think. And that's the worry.
• 18:56
  Yeah, I think that we're already kind of not there, but it's.
• 18:59
  But I think that here's I think I think that all the information
• 19:04
  is being consumed and recorded and stored.
• 19:07
  I think that if it were acted on and it and and the people that
• 19:12
  were collecting information, whether it by the way, again,
• 19:16
  and you know, there was such a great explanation for this quote
• 19:19
  UN quote deep state, which is the equivalent and such a great
• 19:23
  example of metaphor of a renter and owner.
• 19:26
  You know, and and and and the top positions are general within
• 19:30
  any kind of government bureaucracy, There tend to be
• 19:34
  renters. They're there for four year
• 19:36
  terms, 2 year terms sometimes. And then they, and then and
• 19:39
  because the people on top, Tulsi Gabbards, the the RF KS, the so
• 19:44
  the Marco Rubio's, Marco Rubio's will be done in four years from
• 19:48
  now. And then you move on.
• 19:48
  And but the people 2 two steps below him are, are losing their
• 19:52
  jobs. Yeah, yeah, you're right.
• 19:55
  But so I think that those people are the people that are saying,
• 19:57
  hey, we need a tight shift. We need security.
• 20:00
  America needs to be #1 if you know, and, and honestly and,
• 20:05
  and, and I guess everything always kind of, again, this is a
• 20:10
  pendulum swinging safety. Equals less freedom inherently
• 20:16
  yeah, that's Tom yeah. Tom Thomas Jefferson.
• 20:21
  Yeah, which is 11. The classic give a little
• 20:24
  liberty for a little security yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:26
  Exactly. And so I think that right now
• 20:30
  there is so much fear, whether it's manufactured or not true.
• 20:35
  I think that if they were revealed tomorrow in a mass
• 20:38
  scale, another Ed Snowden type of situation where the NSA and
• 20:42
  everyone is in cahoots to spy on all the American citizens, I
• 20:46
  don't think that many people would be like that upset.
• 20:48
  I don't think that many people would care that much.
• 20:50
  I think that a few people would be upset because of principles,
• 20:53
  and I think that most other people would be like, yeah, I
• 20:55
  hear. I don't want any terrorist
• 20:56
  attack happening either. And you know what?
• 20:58
  I don't want the deranged Trump fans or the deranged liberals or
• 21:01
  deranged anyone coming at me. And so I want FBI to know what
• 21:04
  they're saying. I'll Do you want better?
• 21:05
  Yeah. That happened.
• 21:07
  You mentioned Snowden. Never Snowden.
• 21:09
  Remember when that happened? Yeah, I remember when that.
• 21:11
  I don't remember that happened. I remember.
• 21:12
  I remember learning about it because I wasn't aware of
• 21:14
  anything when that. No, no, So.
• 21:15
  No. So the truth is, I remember
• 21:17
  like, listen, I was as a kid, I was very into politics.
• 21:19
  But were you as a kid? Yeah.
• 21:21
  Yeah. Not many people were, but like,
• 21:23
  I remember when it's like everyone started having like, I
• 21:25
  was just like read the newspaper and stuff.
• 21:27
  But I remember Edward so vividly.
• 21:30
  And it was like 2 months of like, whoa, yeah.
• 21:34
  And then nothing. Yeah.
• 21:36
  And it was business as usual. There's no follow up.
• 21:39
  What do you think of nothing parts where this and that and
• 21:41
  the other. It was very weird.
• 21:43
  Oh, the, the I'm not. He hasn't been parted yet.
• 21:46
  I think he lives in Russia. He does live in Russia now.
• 21:48
  So I've heard someone say, I don't know if I believe it, that
• 21:51
  part of the the cost of living in Russia is trading
• 21:54
  information. And so you can't accept, you
• 21:55
  can't pardon him or accept him back.
• 21:57
  Oh, because he might have been there too long.
• 21:59
  It might just be like you can't bring him back on.
• 22:01
  But then the other answer is that he he might not want to
• 22:03
  come back if he's really afraid that he's going to get shot down
• 22:06
  in the streets like this might be just one way or the other.
• 22:10
  His thing is long done. I mean, there's so much you talk
• 22:12
  about a news cycle. He's it hasn't been talk about a
• 22:15
  news cycle, dude, talk about a news cycle.
• 22:17
  Well, Venezuela, that's how I did a video today that I thought
• 22:20
  was would you was quite that's here.
• 22:23
  Well, it was just about the I think.
• 22:28
  So here's the two ways you can look at it.
• 22:30
  You can look at geopolitics like the wild, like we saw our chat,
• 22:32
  right, Wild West where everyone can do anything because listen,
• 22:38
  outside of your own sovereign citizens, outside of your own
• 22:42
  nation, you have your own citizens and you have a police
• 22:45
  force and you can control whatever.
• 22:47
  So but each nation can't really control the other.
• 22:50
  So we wrote these laws, right? International, international
• 22:53
  laws. And we said you can't do this,
• 22:55
  but no one enforces it. Yeah, you can't do this.
• 22:57
  And it's like that came out of the idea of like, listen, can we
• 23:01
  not nuke each other because that's mutually assured?
• 23:04
  Or if someone holds up their hand and the only human being in
• 23:07
  the neighborhood of war, you say, well, OK, but then if that
• 23:11
  happens, the rest, besides tonight's a handful of things.
• 23:16
  You could argue that the rest is just political pressure.
• 23:19
  Is there enough political pressure to deter?
• 23:22
  Right. Mutually assured destruction is
• 23:24
  the best deterrent because. Because then it's it's game over
• 23:27
  for everyone. India, Pakistan.
• 23:28
  Yeah. So.
• 23:29
  So yeah, they're they're, I mean, I don't want to, I don't
• 23:31
  want to jinx it. One pod.
• 23:36
  That's. Right, that's right, the cosmic
• 23:39
  that's going to be called the cosmic podcast, dude.
• 23:41
  It's going to be like like one of those cinematography moments
• 23:45
  where like the IT goes through the wire and this podcast gets
• 23:47
  into the ears of a general in Pakistan.
• 23:49
  He's like it's time the privacy. Was like the.
• 23:53
  Worst butterfly yeah, I've been fortunate to not be involved in
• 23:59
  any of those at least not be conscious of any of the
• 24:01
  butterfly effects of any of my actions.
• 24:04
  So far dude so far so Venezuela. So you made a video you know I
• 24:08
  so I just did a so it about how so I don't know to what agreed
• 24:12
  listening could be but now America is on record doing the
• 24:16
  the manifest destiny or I mean you could say right or wrong.
• 24:19
  Listen, I also agree to an extent that a country in your
• 24:24
  backyard, you are the superpower of a, of a continent and you're
• 24:28
  crunching your backyard has more oil, more gold than anyone else.
• 24:32
  And it's just, and it's not even one of the big countries.
• 24:35
  They're just, they're doing it. What, you know, they're
• 24:36
  siphoning it off. So you're like, I'll siphon it.
• 24:39
  I get that. But you know, Taiwan's up for
• 24:41
  grabs now. So here is what I heard today on
• 24:47
  my podcast today, and I've been hearing a lot of this and I'm,
• 24:55
  I'm not, I've come more around to the attack or not the attack,
• 25:00
  but to the kidnapping. Then you know, you know, the,
• 25:04
  you know, what's going on with that.
• 25:07
  There's a every video, every person who's done a video about
• 25:12
  this, who says the word kidnap. It's like kind of good for the
• 25:15
  algorithm. There's like 300 comments it's
• 25:20
  so funny. He wasn't kidnapped, he was
• 25:23
  arrested. He was kidnapped just that.
• 25:25
  Over and over you look at what happened there there.
• 25:28
  Was an arrest warrant, there was an international court.
• 25:33
  So it's like been good for the algorithm.
• 25:35
  But it's also like, yeah, it's so funny.
• 25:37
  It's so funny. I I'm not happy because
• 25:43
  obviously it creates a precedent, right, that we don't
• 25:46
  necessarily want to be play out. On the other hand, and I wasn't
• 25:51
  aware of this at the time that I had this original opinion, China
• 25:56
  and Russia both get enormous amount of natural resources from
• 26:00
  Venezuela. I think Iran is also part of
• 26:02
  that. Iran is also part of that,
• 26:04
  although Iran has their own obviously very abundant supply,
• 26:08
  but a big part of the whole process is actually being able
• 26:10
  to mine usable good oil. That there's different types of
• 26:14
  oils apparently, and not all oil is necessarily convertible to
• 26:17
  energy in the same kind of effective or cheap way.
• 26:20
  That is the oil that we talked about when we say that, you
• 26:23
  know, buying a barrel of oil. And so Trump, if he was able to,
• 26:32
  which he pulled off, arrested someone that allegedly had a
• 26:37
  warrant out for him, although again, Netanyahu is a warrant
• 26:40
  out for him. Can you imagine the explosion
• 26:43
  that would occur if someone says, Hey, you broke a quote UN
• 26:46
  quote war crime in a court, found you guilty and we're going
• 26:48
  to bring you to justice because you're a quote UN quote
• 26:50
  terrorist. Like, listen, I that, that a,
• 26:54
  that is scary because there really are courts that have
• 26:57
  that, that have determined that, that he's a war criminal and
• 27:00
  there are places that he really can't fly to now.
• 27:02
  And if any of those places decide, hey, you know what,
• 27:04
  instead of you waiting for you to come to us, we'll do what
• 27:06
  Trump did, we'll come to you. But put that aside for a minute.
• 27:10
  No one got, no Americans got killed, no American assets got
• 27:15
  injured or damaged. So there was literally almost no
• 27:18
  loss of taxpayer dollars as far as the operation goes.
• 27:21
  You put a massive wedge between China and Russia's practically
• 27:27
  Trump just posted right before we started recording this that
• 27:29
  we're getting what, 3050 million?
• 27:32
  Was it million? I don't barrels, barrels of oil
• 27:35
  like a lot of we're getting a lot of oil.
• 27:38
  We're getting a lot. By the way, not marketing, not
• 27:41
  not not investing advice, but buy, buy gas.
• 27:44
  But buy Exxon, you know, but. So we are making enormous.
• 27:54
  At the end of the day, the question really to me for a long
• 27:58
  time was does America need to act this way, need to act this
• 28:01
  way? And the answer right now has
• 28:04
  become a little bit more clearly probably like, yeah.
• 28:08
  And that becomes the question and probably does that mean do I
• 28:12
  want 18 year olds getting shot, getting killed in the streets?
• 28:16
  No Do I want 20 year olds, American troops grabbing
• 28:19
  Venezuelans out of their homes in like in suburbs, like what
• 28:22
  was going on in Iraq and shooting up families, God
• 28:24
  forbid, and being traumatized for the rest of your life and
• 28:27
  creating terrorists? No, of course not.
• 28:29
  But no one died here. I think there's a couple of
• 28:32
  Venezuelan deaths from the from the land strikes.
• 28:35
  I will say no. So the actual initial attack,
• 28:38
  what a wild that's the whole thing because we want to talk
• 28:42
  about, I mean, you know, guys like Dan Carlin who are military
• 28:46
  historians. I mean, they'll be studying.
• 28:48
  That's a cool. You think so?
• 28:49
  I think it was very cool. I think that's a wild thing to
• 28:51
  do. That being said, I just saw, I
• 28:55
  mean, to think that the entire country will be centralized
• 28:59
  right now, it's you destabilize the country.
• 29:01
  That's not there's people in the in certain regions now where
• 29:04
  there's there's, you know, rogue paramilitary, whatever.
• 29:08
  It's just kind of wrong. Absolutely.
• 29:11
  And the person you put in charge is still kind of, you know, for
• 29:17
  Maduro, Well, there's no one in charge.
• 29:19
  They're being overseen by Rubio Hexath and and one of the dude,
• 29:26
  yeah. I just I just mean it's it's if
• 29:28
  it if it's all said and done and somehow they're able to
• 29:31
  stabilize this country fully and get it to a place where the
• 29:35
  election cycle could happen. Legitimately happened totally.
• 29:40
  And by the way, just another step real quickly before before
• 29:43
  it just happened between as far as China and Taiwan go.
• 29:47
  China needs energy to invade Taiwan.
• 29:50
  China needs energy and gas to function as a society.
• 29:56
  And if Trump cuts off an enormous percentage, I think
• 29:59
  Venezuela itself covers like 20 or 30% of the world's oil as far
• 30:05
  as usable resources go. If you're cutting off 20 or 30%
• 30:09
  of we're trying to be getting practically free oil in exchange
• 30:12
  for the investments that they made and the infrastructure in
• 30:15
  Venezuela, which they've done, then China's in debt because
• 30:19
  they put the money into Venezuela, right?
• 30:20
  So the citizens have to pay the taxes they were counting on free
• 30:25
  oil as a compensation for that, for that debt that they were
• 30:29
  getting free oil and and and energy sources.
• 30:32
  And now that just got cut off while while this business
• 30:36
  transaction is still in the middle of happening.
• 30:38
  So right now trying to basically, I mean, it's the
• 30:41
  equivalent of a view in the middle of 12/20.
• 30:43
  There's someone who arrests the store owner I.
• 30:45
  Mean like I just. Picked the guy, you know, like,
• 30:46
  oh. I'm sorry, he's arrested, he's
• 30:47
  gone, you know. Money's gone.
• 30:48
  So this apparently, allegedly, ostensibly could hold up China's
• 30:56
  China's mobility, tactical and military mobility.
• 31:01
  They, they're going to continue doing whatever they do with
• 31:03
  their soft influence and their spy power.
• 31:04
  And that's what they're best at anyway.
• 31:06
  But it, it looks like it could have pushed off or potentially
• 31:10
  push off a little bit Venice, China's invasion of Taiwan.
• 31:14
  I think the, it's possible, who knows?
• 31:17
  For 70 years they've been non-stop talking about
• 31:21
  reunification and the other they think big picture too.
• 31:25
  So 70 years is like nothing. I mean, it's like, I mean the
• 31:28
  ability for this country to wait a handful of years until another
• 31:33
  president, another foreign policy and then take president
• 31:38
  10 presidents. And I'm not saying that.
• 31:41
  And that's the point I was being is listen, precedent may not
• 31:44
  matter. It's political power, but if
• 31:48
  this precedent was and it might have need to happen anyway
• 31:50
  because I I agree that you're that that Venezuela just I mean,
• 31:54
  Venezuela is not worth siphoning generally Western resources and
• 31:58
  creating a hub of Intel. I mean of of not puppet state,
• 32:03
  but a a great relationship with your enemies is in your
• 32:06
  backyard. Ricks, You know, Ricks is but,
• 32:08
  but one could say that Taiwan is the same thing.
• 32:13
  Now, listen, they don't have gold, they don't have oil.
• 32:15
  But Taiwan is the not like #1 they're virtually the only
• 32:20
  producer of the supercomputers, the, the, the chips needed for
• 32:26
  the net for AI. And so you want to talk about
• 32:30
  the most valuable resource on the planet?
• 32:32
  I mean, those ships have a little bit of oil is a little
• 32:36
  bit of oil isn't going to hold you back from getting the chips.
• 32:38
  Because this ship, how are the four ships they need to take the
• 32:42
  island Like, like they got billions of people.
• 32:45
  Yeah. And what?
• 32:46
  And you're telling me the only thing they got to do is wait?
• 32:49
  What is it? What's what's 12 months times
• 32:51
  336 times? What's 36 + 12?
• 32:56
  So they got to wait 48 months until Trump's out of office and
• 33:00
  to see what's in stories because maybe maybe they're worried, but
• 33:04
  whatever the case might be is, I don't know if this is the
• 33:06
  precedent they needed or wanted or whatever, but it does.
• 33:11
  I don't to some measurable that changes the game.
• 33:14
  So I totally get what you're saying.
• 33:15
  I totally even agree with you. I what I would say is I had a
• 33:20
  teacher, a rabbi one time in yeshiva that used to say you got
• 33:23
  to plan your life somewhere between 5 minutes and five years
• 33:26
  from now. He's like, you're too short
• 33:28
  sighted. You're going to make a lot of
• 33:29
  mistakes. You're too long sighted.
• 33:31
  You're never going to make the short term decisions.
• 33:32
  You need to get you there to that long term decision.
• 33:35
  For example, if you want to, if you want to get up, end up with
• 33:37
  a six pack, you know, by the end of the year, right, you got to
• 33:41
  take a series of short term steps and decisions that will
• 33:45
  get you there. You know, and if you think I
• 33:46
  have a whole year to go ahead and get that 6 pack and then for
• 33:49
  the first six months you're snacking away anyway and you're
• 33:51
  not and you're not getting off the couch, you know, OK, now I
• 33:53
  have half a year and like, and all these little decisions end
• 33:56
  up making an impact on your ability to actually achieve your
• 33:58
  long term goal then. So it might not.
• 34:02
  So you're right that China has the benefit of being able to
• 34:04
  plan and strategically even hold back for a presidency or two
• 34:11
  presidencies or even 3 presidencies.
• 34:13
  But if they keep on taking hits along the way and they're kind
• 34:16
  of just oozy, they're they're, they're, you know, they have a
• 34:19
  bunch of with the leading out, you know, because of different
• 34:23
  hits on Venezuela and then tariffs and then this from there
• 34:26
  and that I get it, I get it. But now and listen, what's the
• 34:29
  alternate right? Don't take Venezuela.
• 34:31
  And they do the same thing anyway.
• 34:33
  I'm I'm not saying that's the case.
• 34:35
  I'm saying that America's new bullish position is now on, on
• 34:41
  the, and nothing happens on the world's.
• 34:45
  And, and you're talking about a country that switches leaders
• 34:47
  every four years on the world stage.
• 34:49
  The countries that keep the same leaders for long periods of time
• 34:52
  that, that, that have centralized power in, in a way
• 34:55
  you can't fathom. I mean, those countries are that
• 34:59
  changes the geopolitical stage totally.
• 35:02
  I mean, the resource they want is a part of a island, Nate.
• 35:06
  I mean, not island nation, a sovereign nation right off of
• 35:09
  their coast. Yeah.
• 35:11
  I mean, that's similar from Cuba or.
• 35:13
  Yeah, I mean, and then you went to a South Korea.
• 35:15
  Like, I don't know it just. I listen.
• 35:17
  I don't know when I hear, but I hear.
• 35:19
  All I know is my whole life I've heard about Taiwan.
• 35:23
  Yeah. And something's kept them back.
• 35:25
  Well, I guess we'll see what happens.
• 35:27
  I guess so. Do you know what you.
• 35:28
  You ever hear of bricks? I just don't know what this term
• 35:30
  today it's Brazil, Russia, India, China and S might be
• 35:39
  might be Saudi, but I might be wrong.
• 35:42
  I don't want to say that for sure.
• 35:44
  Syria, Sudan, Sandfield probably.
• 35:50
  But either way, it's basically the largest, the largest
• 35:55
  countries and superpowers of the world other than the United
• 35:59
  States that are basically pushing back and opposing
• 36:03
  Western philosophy from conquering and spreading
• 36:06
  throughout the world. And so, but these powers are not
• 36:11
  small powers. Brazil, Russia, India, China,
• 36:15
  and fill in even whatever 1 you want for the last one.
• 36:17
  That's a lot for the United States and Europe because United
• 36:20
  States basically supports Europe almost at this point.
• 36:24
  That's a lot for us to go up against.
• 36:26
  And so there really is our work cut out for us in the in, in the
• 36:29
  coming years, especially if we continue self sabotaging and
• 36:33
  thinking so short term. And we just think about
• 36:36
  tomorrow, we just think about the midterms and the next
• 36:39
  election cycle. And you're like, dude, you got
• 36:41
  to make a decision. That's a little bit more.
• 36:44
  One of the one of the things that one of the reasons Hope and
• 36:49
  gang is right, I'm pretty sure I am, is that you had the
• 36:52
  constitutional amendments right, your inalienable rights and
• 36:55
  inalienable rights. Foreign policy wasn't one of
• 36:59
  them. I'm pretty sure foreign policy
• 37:00
  was sourced from the crown or something like it.
• 37:02
  The idea is like you don't have a right to dictate foreign
• 37:05
  policy and there was an understanding that who doesn't
• 37:07
  have a right who as a citizen that foreign policy there, there
• 37:12
  was two things. There was the there was that and
• 37:15
  then there was the practical consideration, which is back in
• 37:18
  a time when like male even now, but for sure then where male is,
• 37:22
  you know, it takes two months to get a letter or whatever that
• 37:27
  foreign policy decisions couldn't be made at a democratic
• 37:31
  level, right? You have to have one guy at the
• 37:32
  top saying, you know, this, this and that because that's the only
• 37:37
  way you can. So these other nations, they
• 37:41
  don't have those political human rights to the people, right?
• 37:45
  But one of the things they do have are one guy at the top who
• 37:49
  make a decision very effectively in One Direction in might be
• 37:53
  wrong direction or might be right.
• 37:55
  Well, what we have, and This is why I, there was a, a great
• 37:59
  debate that I watched. I shocked the guy, one of the
• 38:01
  top guys from the Chinese government, from the Democratic
• 38:05
  Republic people Party. He said, yeah, they have an
• 38:11
  analogy to use in English. She's like your, your car is 4
• 38:15
  wheels going in different directions.
• 38:17
  Our car is always in One Direction.
• 38:20
  And then his, it was funny because his thesis was because
• 38:23
  all of our people agree and we are unified and we agree.
• 38:28
  And then like, obviously the the guy was questioning, he was
• 38:30
  like, and what do you do with the people who don't agree?
• 38:33
  You throw them off a bridge. Yeah.
• 38:35
  Yeah. So so they just weed out.
• 38:38
  So that is one of the tools that I think come in the coming.
• 38:43
  I mean, listen, you sacrifice liberty for it, but it's a a
• 38:46
  practical political consideration you have to make,
• 38:48
  which is what you're saying, which is every four years your
• 38:51
  foreign policy shifts. We have Biden and we have Trump
• 38:55
  and he's like, we need to take over the hemisphere.
• 38:56
  Yeah, but you know what? It hasn't shifted 50 freaking
• 39:00
  years. It hasn't shifted as far as
• 39:03
  foreign policy goes. Now, we might have flip flop
• 39:07
  back and forth between who we're aligning with and who we're not
• 39:09
  and like which terrorist, which groups we're assigning as
• 39:12
  terrorist groups or which groups are inviting into the White
• 39:14
  House or not. No, but but but they but our
• 39:18
  foreign policy generally speaking has always continued to
• 39:24
  be creeping towards expansionism resources.
• 39:29
  And we justify it by saying if we don't do it, China or Russia
• 39:33
  and someone else is going to do it.
• 39:34
  And what you sacrifice along that way, all those, you know,
• 39:42
  hypotheticals that you are checking the box that you've
• 39:44
  conquered, you've sacrificed all your freedoms in the process of
• 39:48
  actually achieving all that safety and all that expansionism
• 39:51
  and all that empire building. Yeah, I, I think, I think I, I
• 39:57
  was saying in well, every four, yeah, fair enough.
• 40:00
  Because I, I do think it's, it's like, I think that's basically
• 40:02
  the same. That is just change that is
• 40:04
  true. Like what has changed as far as
• 40:05
  foreign foreign policy has, is concerned almost since World War
• 40:09
  Two. Well, I think you do have Trump
• 40:11
  said I'm ending wars. He's just started two more, but
• 40:13
  people's people's own personal philosophy.
• 40:17
  Could dictate right. So you had Obama was in office
• 40:20
  and he's like, listen, let's make a deal with the Iranian
• 40:22
  government and that can look a certain way based on one person.
• 40:26
  Sure, but then he's bombing Yemen while he's on Yeah, but
• 40:30
  and he's doing he's and like he's a bombing Libya while he's
• 40:33
  doing it and like he's doing these things that were part of a
• 40:36
  foreign policy agenda. I'm not saying there's a
• 40:38
  military industrial complex who has like tremendous influence
• 40:41
  career politicians and stuff. I'm just saying that that
• 40:46
  there's one guy at the top who could make executive decisions
• 40:49
  and that can change on a time. And if you and especially you
• 40:52
  might argue that now that someone's gone into office and
• 40:55
  changed it on a time it's not taboo to do so, like like who
• 40:59
  Trump, in what sense would he change?
• 41:01
  Well, he's trying to take over the hemisphere.
• 41:03
  He's she's taking Greenland. He's talking about in the news
• 41:06
  last year and now now he's now he's officially.
• 41:08
  That's not like the next 20 days of that same perspective, which
• 41:12
  is which is imperialism and continuing to or we're saying
• 41:15
  that as as insistent. Yeah, meaning we had that.
• 41:18
  That's still like you might say, for example, if, if Obama's
• 41:22
  focus is on a couple of countries in the Middle East and
• 41:25
  some focus on Greenland in Venezuela, it's still
• 41:27
  impossible. We've tried a bunch of yeah,
• 41:29
  we've tried regime change. Everyone listen, everyone has.
• 41:32
  That was the whole thing with, with the whole conversation.
• 41:34
  The whole issue that everyone is having with everyone, with us
• 41:37
  being concerned about the rest of the world is how many issues
• 41:39
  we have at home that we are, that we aren't dealing with.
• 41:43
  That's the problem. And I, and I said this before
• 41:46
  and I'm going to, I'll say it again because I just read this
• 41:48
  and it kind of, it really blew my mind.
• 41:51
  I, I don't know if this is true, but it's very easy to imagine
• 41:55
  this is true. OK, hypothetically, let's say
• 41:58
  there's three to five people that have half the wealth of the
• 42:00
  United States. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, David
• 42:05
  Slash, Larry Ellison, you know the Ellison family, right?
• 42:08
  And let's say one or two other people, hypothetically, right,
• 42:11
  if they make 10% annually on their investments, and then the
• 42:17
  other half of the country, which is everyone else, right?
• 42:21
  Other half of the wealth of the country makes loses 3% and stays
• 42:25
  equal right or even as it gains 1% or 2% or 3%.
• 42:30
  The point is you can report a positive GDP, you can report
• 42:37
  that your economy is going strong and most of the people
• 42:40
  will not feel it. And that's what's been
• 42:42
  happening. Trump's been talking non-stop at
• 42:45
  how great the economy is. But for some, for, for some
• 42:47
  reason, everyone does. Everyone feels like, hey man,
• 42:50
  you got your like a year ago, you had your finger right on the
• 42:52
  pulse of like what everyone wanted.
• 42:54
  And now it feels like it's so far off.
• 42:57
  Well, I mean, that goes to the main point is I think there's a
• 43:01
  stated preference and actual right though the whole actual
• 43:04
  preference, right? You can say you want something
• 43:06
  and then you actually what you actually do is different.
• 43:09
  I think most vast majority of people are just they just want
• 43:13
  the economy to be good and that's all they want.
• 43:16
  They want to go to that is like all they want and, and and and
• 43:21
  not to talk down or not like to. I hate when people are like, Oh,
• 43:26
  we understand the Nick Fuentes people and they're just, they
• 43:30
  just want to be loved and they just want girlfriends.
• 43:33
  It's like, no, or like they just want, but there is something to
• 43:36
  be said that people who have who are frustrated because they
• 43:41
  can't pay their bills, they can't do this, can't do that.
• 43:43
  We'll just start getting frustrated in different
• 43:45
  directions and they'll start getting angry at everyone around
• 43:47
  them. And then you say, we're going to
• 43:49
  crack down on this, this and that, on immigration, on this
• 43:51
  and that, and we're going to, but then nothing's changed.
• 43:53
  And you're like, what the fuck? What's going on?
• 43:55
  Yeah, dude. I told my, I just my, when I'm
• 43:59
  teaching my 9th grade students, I showed them a video about,
• 44:03
  about white supremacists in America.
• 44:05
  And one of the things that I wanted to really emphasize to
• 44:07
  them was that they're just that a lot of these people start the
• 44:11
  same way that everyone else does, which is they're just
• 44:14
  regular dudes that are working or having a hard time or don't
• 44:17
  know where to look. And then someone takes the, the,
• 44:20
  the, the, the premise of truth, which is the world is hard and
• 44:25
  life is hard and think and like, in order for you to succeed, you
• 44:28
  have to take on responsibility in your life.
• 44:30
  But instead of saying that, they said the world is hard, the life
• 44:32
  is hard. And it's because of XY and Z,
• 44:35
  and it's because they came here. It's because he's here.
• 44:38
  It's because she's there. It's because of the Hispanics or
• 44:41
  the Jews or the blacks or whatever you want or the Indians
• 44:45
  or whoever you want to call it, right?
• 44:47
  I mean, you could talk about there's tons of white people
• 44:50
  now, but a lot of people remember when the the Irish and
• 44:53
  the the Italians were at war. I I have a friend.
• 44:57
  I have a friend who's always getting beat up.
• 44:59
  Dude, you're a friend who was Italian.
• 45:02
  His grandparents. I remember going to them for for
• 45:04
  one's house. They're talking to his grandpa
• 45:08
  only speaks Italian, doesn't speak English.
• 45:11
  Yeah, And if you to this day, I don't know if it's still alive.
• 45:15
  This was five years, six years ago and he was older.
• 45:18
  But if you said to him that you were Irish, I mean, he wouldn't
• 45:24
  talk to you. He would get like angry like he
• 45:26
  wouldn't. He would be like like people,
• 45:28
  people forget because now it's like, it's like anyone from
• 45:33
  Europe. It's okay.
• 45:34
  We just want people from Europe, right?
• 45:36
  Just pure golden. It's like it's kind of I hated
• 45:41
  each other when it was just you guys.
• 45:43
  Yeah, history, 1000 years of history, 1500 years of history,
• 45:48
  all all I want. So it's like, what do you think
• 45:50
  that Jews don't do that either though?
• 45:51
  Like you stick. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 45:53
  I think everyone, it's just tribalism dishes.
• 45:55
  So yeah, tribalism. I'm not saying it's good or bad.
• 45:57
  It's just you have to understand the world.
• 45:59
  We're totally, totally. And I actually explained this
• 46:01
  the same thing to the students too.
• 46:02
  I was like, if you think you're better than that, ask yourself
• 46:05
  why you make fun of conceited people.
• 46:07
  You're asking why. Ask yourself why you make fun of
• 46:08
  modern Orthodox people. If you think that you're so much
• 46:11
  better that you would never be a racist, but like where you would
• 46:14
  never, like fall for the trap of white supremacy or Nazism, were
• 46:18
  the not the, what were the experiments called there?
• 46:20
  There was a series of social parents in the in the 60s and
• 46:23
  70s that dealt with that question.
• 46:25
  They said social science right back when social science was
• 46:28
  real. Yeah.
• 46:28
  And not just like, can you yell again?
• 46:31
  I saw an article the other day. I sent it to my family.
• 46:34
  It was especially my cousin who who was like, I guess she was
• 46:38
  like in therapy programs, psychology programs in college.
• 46:41
  And it was science. A series of scientists.
• 46:47
  Yeah. Determined that pigeons don't
• 46:50
  like to be screamed at. The funniest.
• 46:54
  It's like fake social science. Yeah, But back when they did
• 46:57
  social science and realized that if you were a German child in
• 47:03
  Germany, I mean, the chances that you would be a part of Nazi
• 47:07
  youth and accept it. Are you kidding?
• 47:09
  I mean, you wouldn't believe. How?
• 47:12
  And what do you do with that information?
• 47:14
  The idea? What do you do?
• 47:15
  You you try to, I guess, adjust your moral framework where you
• 47:20
  get it wrong and you just and open yourself up.
• 47:22
  No, and and what I was going to say before, before is that
• 47:26
  something full service. I understand where someone comes
• 47:30
  from is then you're you're almost breaking that cycle.
• 47:33
  You have you are, you're almost breaking you are.
• 47:35
  You don't have to agree. By the way, we I've been talking
• 47:38
  about there are all sorts of people, whether within Judaism,
• 47:41
  with another, you don't have to agree with them.
• 47:44
  You're the dude in Rogan. He was a couple of months ago,
• 47:47
  his black dude. And like he just through being.
• 47:50
  Yeah, for sure. And well, I think of Pete Reagan
• 47:53
  just through just through his literally awesome personality
• 47:57
  and being a musician. He turned like hundreds of white
• 48:01
  supremacists and like Nazis and, and, and got them out of the Oh
• 48:05
  my gosh. By the way, he was on again
• 48:08
  because he was on back. I mean, yeah, yeah, he came
• 48:10
  back. He he, he came back a couple
• 48:11
  months ago. Wow.
• 48:13
  He was awesome, one of the coolest characters you'll ever
• 48:17
  see or hear about. He just wins him.
• 48:19
  He's like, so he'll walk up to a Nazi.
• 48:22
  You're like, hey man, why do you?
• 48:23
  What's up? He's like, I don't talk to
• 48:24
  people like, why not? He goes.
• 48:26
  You're the rude of our problem. It's.
• 48:27
  Like, how's that? And you can't give me, by the
• 48:33
  way, it's so funny because aggression requires aggression
• 48:37
  to exist. It's like fire requires air to
• 48:40
  exist. Regression aggression requires
• 48:42
  that someone else participate, otherwise it goes away.
• 48:45
  Yeah. And that's why in road rage, if
• 48:47
  someone says my that, yeah, you're stuck there, like like
• 48:50
  I'm trying to yell at your. Kid, you're mad at your.
• 48:54
  Wife, you're mad at your parents and like and then like are your
• 48:56
  siblings and all of a sudden you hear like these words and you
• 48:59
  don't want to hear them sometimes because you want to be
• 49:01
  upset, of course. And you're like, now you're
• 49:02
  right, Right. You're like, God damn.
• 49:04
  Or if I want to get out of things, I'd be like, yeah,
• 49:06
  you're right. I'm sorry about that.
• 49:07
  I messed up like, well, really. And I'd be like, well, yeah, you
• 49:10
  know, I totally get where you're coming from.
• 49:11
  And I should have been more thoughtful about that.
• 49:13
  What are you gonna say today? You're gonna fight?
• 49:16
  Hang on. Let's take a quick break.
• 49:20
  Can I ask you a question? Sure.
• 49:22
  Do you collect toothpaste? Because there's like 4 in your
• 49:25
  back there one year. What's going to be going on with
• 49:29
  toothpaste? Yeah, I do, dude.
• 49:31
  I'm in healthy toothpaste through all the buys.
• 49:32
  Healthy toothpaste, dude. It cost like $7.00.
• 49:35
  It's cost like $7.00. Is it right?
• 49:37
  No, screw fluoride, dude. Is that fluoride?
• 49:40
  Fluoride. Yeah.
• 49:41
  That's the stuff that, like, makes you tardy.
• 49:45
  Like on Earth Day. It saves your teeth.
• 49:46
  They're all you need. No, you have enough in your
• 49:48
  water. You don't need more.
• 49:49
  Now, is it fluoride? What's the fluoride?
• 49:51
  Makes your teeth stronger with too much of it is bad.
• 49:53
  Oh, my gosh. They got you.
• 49:55
  They got you, dude. Are you crazy trying to listen?
• 49:59
  We're talking about understanding.
• 50:00
  I don't know where the dude. By the way, I have absolutely no
• 50:04
  bases for saying. Anyone in your family to have a
• 50:08
  tooth extraction and you're like, OK, I'll start brushing my
• 50:10
  teeth. Correct.
• 50:11
  No. So for years I brushed my teeth
• 50:13
  correct. Right.
• 50:14
  I was like, what is correctly mean?
• 50:16
  Exactly what I thought was correct.
• 50:18
  Circles across your teeth 60 seconds back.
• 50:22
  Yeah. Behind.
• 50:25
  Yeah. What is the amateur, of course.
• 50:27
  Sure, dude. You never know who was or lied
• 50:29
  to you. It's true.
• 50:31
  So I remember watching somewhere that.
• 50:33
  So that was my standard flossing.
• 50:35
  Watching somewhere flossing wasn't what?
• 50:37
  You just mouthwash. No.
• 50:39
  Whoa, I know. See, you cannot mouthwash
• 50:41
  instead of flossing. So I was awoken because all it
• 50:46
  takes is like someone in your family or like or whatever
• 50:51
  extended family to like, start telling you like, all right, we
• 50:56
  had a tooth extraction, which, by the way, happens as you get
• 50:59
  older. You'll have that another week.
• 51:01
  Yeah. You have a get a, a root canal
• 51:04
  and then the root canal, you know, the doctor's head.
• 51:06
  And they're like, we got to take out the tooth, you know, the
• 51:08
  doctor's head. She said stop using the hippie
• 51:10
  toothbrush. No.
• 51:11
  And they said you use too much fraud.
• 51:13
  Get the hell this guy. That's not true.
• 51:17
  Get at it. No, dude, no.
• 51:22
  So now, so the toothache sucks, dude.
• 51:25
  So in the last few years I've been I learned how to brush your
• 51:31
  teeth. And let me tell you something
• 51:32
  you want to talk about the life philosophy you're talking about
• 51:35
  that life is, is not the glamour, the glamour you're too.
• 51:40
  So it's so funny we mentioned this because I think it's a
• 51:44
  perfect example. The like brush.
• 51:47
  You want to brush your teeth like circular your whole teeth,
• 51:51
  get out all of your teeth for 60 seconds and then rinse your
• 51:55
  mouth out and feel fresh. That's the the real hard work.
• 52:01
  You ready for this? You're supposed to turn your
• 52:04
  toothbrush to an angle, do little things on each and then
• 52:07
  and then flick downward. Like flick.
• 52:10
  I don't do the bad stuff off You do the flick, flick.
• 52:13
  I, I floss. I don't flick.
• 52:15
  You flick. But when you floss often enough,
• 52:17
  there's not a lot to flick. Usually that's where they get
• 52:19
  you. Who they It's yours.
• 52:24
  It's yours. Dude.
• 52:25
  No. And then here's the best part.
• 52:27
  This is the part that's going to.
• 52:28
  I'm telling your audience is going to believe this part.
• 52:31
  You're supposed to only use a little bit of toothpaste and
• 52:34
  you're not supposed to rinse. No, no.
• 52:37
  You're supposed to just spit a bunch of times.
• 52:39
  What? Yeah, just leave.
• 52:41
  What? And they say if you're really
• 52:43
  time out, once you're really uncomfortable after 30 minutes,
• 52:46
  you can rinse 30 minutes. Yeah, my balls strung to the.
• 52:50
  Ceiling for 30 minutes. I isn't that crazy, but that's
• 52:56
  life. That's the hard stuff you don't
• 52:59
  want to do. That's the the day in, day out.
• 53:01
  Work on your teeth, floss, floss.
• 53:04
  Then you. Floss what?
• 53:05
  What flick is there? No, no, no.
• 53:07
  You don't flick with floss you can't flick with floss you can't
• 53:10
  flick with. It's like a sign.
• 53:11
  This is just talking about for sure there's a sign of it.
• 53:15
  I was talking to guy. Cheers.
• 53:19
  Hi, dude. Here's here's the next time
• 53:21
  question. Go for it.
• 53:25
  Do you would you rather listen to an hour of Candace or an hour
• 53:28
  of Nick? Find this well, if it's got to
• 53:31
  be Nick Fred just because it's he's he's for sure he's that's,
• 53:36
  that's yeah, that's obvious. Because also with with Candace,
• 53:39
  you're just for me, it's like a yeah, it's just if nothing's
• 53:43
  going to make sense or like I'd rather I'd rather just be
• 53:45
  entertained like I used to listen to.
• 53:47
  I can't listen to her anymore. Dude, I tried, I've been trying
• 53:52
  recently and like the big videos and like, yeah, I mean, is that
• 53:56
  thing going to be off the whole time going?
• 53:58
  Off you're the beep. What beep.
• 54:01
  All right, I stopped listening. That you stop listening.
• 54:03
  You know what that is? What is that?
• 54:04
  That's. I want to do You add ice.
• 54:06
  What you add ice? Is this an ice machine?
• 54:08
  No, that's I don't even know what you're talking about.
• 54:12
  I've tuned it out after like you haven't heard any beeps in the
• 54:15
  entire time I stopped hearing it.
• 54:18
  You know, it's crazy. You know, was it you someone?
• 54:21
  I had someone a couple months ago for for a meal.
• 54:25
  They said that there Oh, there it is.
• 54:27
  What is that? It's going on the entire time.
• 54:32
  It's an hour and a half. It's my podcast.
• 54:34
  Yeah. So by the way, it's funny how
• 54:36
  big the mind could, Yeah, you could holding out if you hear it
• 54:40
  enough. But so that is the old security
• 54:46
  system. There you go.
• 54:48
  And I have tried, but like, I don't want to pull it out
• 54:52
  because I don't want like wires hanging out in my house.
• 54:56
  But I know where it is. I know where the box is and it's
• 54:58
  coming from that thing. No, no, no.
• 54:59
  It's that there's a box right there.
• 55:01
  It breaks you by the hallway fucking wall.
• 55:04
  Then I got like I got kids. I can't have like a wires
• 55:07
  hanging out. So the answer is he's going to
• 55:09
  get the wires. OK, yeah.
• 55:10
  I'll tell you what it is. I don't hear you.
• 55:13
  Don't hear. I believe you, by the way.
• 55:15
  You know, I believe you because I found out that I say, you know
• 55:18
  a shit ton in the middle of talking every time I'm trying to
• 55:21
  make a point and there's like a moment of sun, excuse me, your
• 55:24
  hesitancy and now I might hear. I fill it in with you.
• 55:26
  No, and someone pointed out to me.
• 55:29
  And then ever since I've heard that I can't stop noticing
• 55:33
  words, filler words. Someone if someone points it
• 55:37
  out, you just can't stop. I mean, I just ruined.
• 55:39
  I just did 160 fucking episodes and they're all terrible, dude.
• 55:44
  They all just say, you know, every fourth word.
• 55:47
  Mark Cuban has his his word is he does it all the time.
• 55:50
  He goes right, he'll say shit, he'll say so AI is the next
• 55:54
  thing right and and he'll just and they're prompting me able to
• 55:57
  listen to him without hearing it.
• 55:59
  They're prompting words, not just.
• 56:00
  Yeah, but you're not secure in what you're saying.
• 56:03
  What it. Doesn't make a joke.
• 56:04
  It's not just stupid people like you.
• 56:06
  Yeah, it's not. Stupid people like Mark Cuban
• 56:09
  too. Exactly dude.
• 56:11
  His campaign for Kamala made no sense to me.
• 56:14
  Dude, why do you do that? He had to.
• 56:18
  He had to have a reason. He's, you know what's
• 56:22
  interesting? He's he's good at thinking 2
• 56:25
  steps down the road. And I'm not.
• 56:28
  So a lot of times I'll think of people that are thinking 2 steps
• 56:32
  down the road. I'll mistake them for being
• 56:34
  idiots. But this just felt like a really
• 56:38
  bad, like, just like, just like it kind of just ruins his
• 56:42
  credibility. And then and then he kept on
• 56:43
  afterwards. Remember afterwards he kept
• 56:45
  trying to have debates with people about like, yeah.
• 56:47
  And he and he wasn't, he wasn't good at it.
• 56:49
  Yeah. He was terrible.
• 56:50
  Yeah. Well, just also that goes to
• 56:52
  show debating scenario for me. I remember, I can't remember
• 56:55
  who. I think one of these guys, one
• 56:56
  of these Internet guys, like, why?
• 56:58
  Why am I good at it? Because because I've done it
• 57:01
  1000 times. That's all I do.
• 57:03
  If it's all you do, your idea might.
• 57:06
  It doesn't even. It's not about the idea.
• 57:07
  It's just your ability to communicate in that way and
• 57:12
  organize information in a way that's palatable.
• 57:16
  Yeah, this is noise. It's a noise machine that I hear
• 57:21
  from the radio in his room. Yeah.
• 57:24
  This whole time, dude. No, no, no, I haven't like
• 57:26
  hearing, hearing. No, no, no, I'm just.
• 57:27
  I'm just curious. He sleeps in the noise machine.
• 57:30
  What are I was going to ask you this whole time You heard that?
• 57:33
  Yeah. What are some some dad tips that
• 57:36
  you that you picked up throughout the year?
• 57:38
  Throughout the year, dude. Come on, dude.
• 57:41
  First year of being a dad, dude, having a kid is the best.
• 57:45
  It's crazy, isn't it? But like what you learn so much
• 57:52
  Like I know so much more about life, about bringing, bringing
• 57:56
  up kids now, like they just everything's fluent.
• 57:58
  Like it goes to show learning new skills.
• 58:01
  You can still do it because you have kids.
• 58:04
  You learn whole new skills. And I knew like what was going
• 58:06
  to happen about with life. I knew that like you knew life
• 58:09
  was going to change, be ignored. No, I even knew how I just used
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  that. You can't possibly Yeah, yeah,
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  it's like going for a workout. It's like I knew I just now I'm
• 58:18
  in it. What about you, dude?
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  Because you have you have multiple.
• 58:27
  It's been it's been crazy in the sense that I'm experiencing my
• 58:33
  own evolution of my responsibility and awareness and
• 58:38
  consciousness. But I as who, how I see myself
• 58:43
  having caught up to the way that I behave on a regular basis.
• 58:47
  That's a fantastic point that your internal sense of self.
• 58:53
  I still look at myself as a 25 year old and I'm thirty with two
• 58:56
  kids and I don't look in the mirror and I'm like, what is
• 58:59
  going on? I, I don't even like to look in
• 59:01
  the mirror like it's, it's, it's disconcerting.
• 59:04
  It really is, dude. More wrinkles in the forehead.
• 59:08
  I I, I, I'm looking at myself and I'm like, this dude's a 30
• 59:12
  year old. I, I never thought that I'd get
• 59:15
  to and not even like I would die beforehand.
• 59:17
  I just never thought that I would live long.
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  I, I thought that 30 was so astronomically far away that
• 59:23
  like I'm never going to get there.
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  And then like here I am and I'm still me, but I still feel like
• 59:31
  a 2425 product of I think so I think everyone kind of stops
• 59:35
  around 20. I think it depends on like when
• 59:38
  you feel your sense of self is caught up to like yeah, but but
• 59:44
  I think that's a testament to your living in the moment,
• 59:47
  right. Like I always, I never had I
• 59:48
  didn't have that like 30 year old.
• 59:50
  I didn't have that like older epiphany.
• 59:53
  I think I was I've I've always kind of like I've just kind of
• 59:57
  like thought life continues just to health, wealth, happiness,
• 1:00:00
  like wealth, wealth in on spiritual sense.
• 1:00:03
  Sure. Well, physical too is not too
• 1:00:04
  bad. Physical is not bad, but.
• 1:00:08
  But I never, it didn't like affect me in that way.
• 1:00:10
  But I think if you're I've noticed people who are I guess
• 1:00:14
  very in the moment in enjoying in that way and I can do that,
• 1:00:17
  but not maybe not as easily. Maybe it's different because
• 1:00:22
  it's not like that plan ahead thing you were saying.
• 1:00:25
  Yeah, I don't know if that makes sense.
• 1:00:28
  No, it does. I do you feel like you're a very
• 1:00:33
  in the moment kind of person. I am in the moment.
• 1:00:36
  I you you you have a podcast. You're you're clearly doing long
• 1:00:39
  term goals. But you know what seem more at
• 1:00:42
  the moment than than some other people, right?
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, everything's on the spectrum, right?
• 1:00:46
  Yeah, I I don't have and I've always been bad at this.
• 1:00:50
  I've always been terrible at this.
• 1:00:52
  I don't have an idea of what I want.
• 1:00:56
  Like I don't if you ask me what an end goal for what my family
• 1:00:59
  looks like. I don't know if you ask me what
• 1:01:01
  an end goal for what my career looks like.
• 1:01:04
  I don't know if you ask me for angle what this podcast looks
• 1:01:06
  like. I don't know.
• 1:01:08
  I, I, I, I, I I I'm really I I I had for some reason, I have a
• 1:01:12
  very, very difficult time. Kidding.
• 1:01:15
  No, no, I looked distracted because he was moving around a
• 1:01:20
  little bit. I don't have, I don't I, I don't
• 1:01:24
  like if you ask me how rich do you want to be?
• 1:01:28
  I don't have a dollar amount on my mind.
• 1:01:30
  I'm like, I don't know, however much money it cost to have 10
• 1:01:34
  kids, you know, And then I'm like, that's however much money.
• 1:01:36
  It seems like enough money to because I have 3 and I go on
• 1:01:40
  vacation. Dude, it's crazy how expensive
• 1:01:44
  let's get like get so quickly. And then by the way, to that
• 1:01:46
  point, it's almost struggling. Like you see, it's so expensive.
• 1:01:50
  And I feel like we're like, I'm sure you're the same thing where
• 1:01:53
  it's, it's it's you're almost like just over the like
• 1:01:58
  assistance from a ray, you know, you know, you do.
• 1:02:01
  Well, anyway. Whatever.
• 1:02:02
  Yeah. Why?
• 1:02:03
  What do you mean? No, I, I did notice for myself
• 1:02:09
  that I think that there. And I've talked, I've talked to
• 1:02:14
  my, I was talking to my sister about this.
• 1:02:16
  And I've talked about this in the podcast once or twice
• 1:02:17
  already. But the notion that happiness in
• 1:02:21
  the feeling of satisfaction, contentness and joy with the
• 1:02:25
  life that you're living, it has to almost be inherently
• 1:02:30
  separated from the amount of money that you have.
• 1:02:33
  Because I think the people that accumulate a lot of money
• 1:02:36
  without having a sense of identity or purpose or direction
• 1:02:40
  don't know, look at money as a substitute for those things.
• 1:02:45
  Absolutely. And so I'd rather have this
• 1:02:49
  stuff. I'd rather learn how to speak to
• 1:02:51
  my kid and love my kid and not have a ton of money right now
• 1:02:55
  then have a ton of money and that makes me immediately not
• 1:02:58
  relatable to my kid because my kid knows nothing about shit and
• 1:03:02
  he's just listened to what his old man has to say, you know?
• 1:03:04
  And like. So my question is because I feel
• 1:03:07
  the same way. And a lot of people I think
• 1:03:10
  don't not in a bad way. I think, I think they just
• 1:03:13
  listen. Human nature is to need and want
• 1:03:15
  resources to survive. Totally.
• 1:03:18
  Like, like, can we find what I got to read a book to my kid?
• 1:03:20
  Like, like, come on. Like I'm saying, like I'm not.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, I believe me. I'm not talking down.
• 1:03:26
  And so I wonder what the what the difference maker is there.
• 1:03:31
  What's I don't know if one's right or wrong, or maybe we have
• 1:03:34
  the luxury of never having to have worried about, you know,
• 1:03:37
  being homeless, right? I don't think you and I have
• 1:03:40
  ever had to seriously contemplate the idea of just
• 1:03:45
  because, man, never. We're just because we're
• 1:03:47
  fortunate enough to have been in the like we talked a culture, a
• 1:03:50
  society, a we're a part of what is.
• 1:03:55
  My mind is selling my house and movie to a cheaper community
• 1:03:59
  that is a place where I can get more bang for my buck for my
• 1:04:03
  house. If I can make three $400,000 in
• 1:04:06
  my house in the next couple in the next 5 years North Carolina
• 1:04:09
  and I go to Tennessee or North Carolina or something like that
• 1:04:12
  and I can buy a house where I right now my I just put up a bug
• 1:04:17
  bed in my in shoes room. So let's say if it 2-3 kids in
• 1:04:22
  that room, I don't want to, I don't.
• 1:04:23
  And, you know, it might be fun for a couple of years.
• 1:04:26
  You don't want three teenagers living in, in a, in a, in a, in
• 1:04:29
  a, you know, one bedroom. And it could be done.
• 1:04:33
  It could be done. It really could be done.
• 1:04:35
  But I don't know if I want to like the question becomes for
• 1:04:37
  what? And the question becomes why?
• 1:04:40
  And if the answer is because we've been living here until
• 1:04:42
  now. So that's why that's a stupid
• 1:04:44
  thing. I don't answer.
• 1:04:44
  That's a good enough reason for sure.
• 1:04:45
  Not, I think if you have a particular affinity to our
• 1:04:49
  community or if you have family. But if you, if neither of those
• 1:04:53
  things, you know, beat out that, but but my point before was just
• 1:04:58
  more the ability to, to prioritize joy and the moment
• 1:05:06
  because it once it's gone, it's gone, right?
• 1:05:08
  Like that whole thing about this, think about how many
• 1:05:09
  people you know, make enough money to afford to, let's say
• 1:05:14
  they're making throw out a #200 plus $1000 a year.
• 1:05:18
  The amount of the amount of time that you have to work to make
• 1:05:21
  the type of job, the amount of time you have to work to make
• 1:05:23
  upwards of $200,000 a year. And that part of the $200,000
• 1:05:28
  generally includes help or a nanny or you know, cleaning lady
• 1:05:31
  or something like that. And now you say, how much money
• 1:05:35
  would you give up to watch your, your two year old son take his
• 1:05:39
  first steps to be there in their lives, to be there in their
• 1:05:42
  lives and then say, you know what, how much money?
• 1:05:44
  How much would you rather wash dishes and work from home for
• 1:05:49
  being an office for 15 hours a day?
• 1:05:51
  So let's say you make $120,000 as opposed to $250,000.
• 1:05:55
  But you're not paying for a name and.
• 1:05:57
  You're not having a cleaning that come and instead you're
• 1:06:01
  actually taking the time to spend time with your kids and
• 1:06:03
  watch them grow up. And you know what?
• 1:06:04
  If you have to do more work around your house and if your
• 1:06:07
  toilet breaks, you go to Home Depot and you buy a $2.00 pedal
• 1:06:11
  replacement instead of paying a plumber $75.00 to come to the
• 1:06:14
  house and fix it for the same cost.
• 1:06:16
  And you say, you know what, I'm going to look for ways.
• 1:06:18
  Instead of eating out, we'll make pizza, we'll make date
• 1:06:20
  nights. We'll do particular things.
• 1:06:22
  But at least I'll get to participate in the development
• 1:06:25
  and growth of my family and experience what my kids are
• 1:06:29
  like, how they're growing up and how they're participating in the
• 1:06:31
  world and, and what lessons are shaping them and what values are
• 1:06:35
  shaping them. And you're gone for the whole
• 1:06:37
  thing. You're in an office to make 253
• 1:06:41
  hundred fifty, $500,000 a year. And you know what someone else
• 1:06:44
  is raising their kids. Guess what?
• 1:06:47
  Take my take that stupid money, man, take the money, take the
• 1:06:50
  job. This is my family.
• 1:06:52
  This is the future of the world. This is my genes.
• 1:06:55
  I I have to make sure that they're doing the right things.
• 1:06:59
  It's, it's not only, it's, it's so true.
• 1:07:02
  It's very hard, I think for a lot of people.
• 1:07:04
  I remember reading an article about his CEO who did that.
• 1:07:08
  He was at the top of his, again, one of these artists, he was at
• 1:07:12
  the top of his game. And his daughter, his nine year
• 1:07:14
  old daughter said to him. And I remember at the time I
• 1:07:16
  like understood it. But now I it's like, yeah, so
• 1:07:21
  much more emotionally relatable that it was to a, to a, to a 15
• 1:07:26
  year old totally, by the way. And you think you get it as a 15
• 1:07:29
  year old, you think you get it. And he's and he, he was like
• 1:07:32
  worth a bunch. Obviously he's the CEO.
• 1:07:34
  So I have a major company and he so he leaves his job to be there
• 1:07:38
  with his daughter and like the comments section was like, well,
• 1:07:42
  good for him. And it's like now you sit there
• 1:07:45
  and you think like this was this guy's whole framework.
• 1:07:49
  His framework was my his. I'm sure his value was
• 1:07:53
  associated with wealth because he had enough money, right?
• 1:07:56
  You're talking about this guy could, could have bought
• 1:07:58
  probably 3 yachts and not shed a tear and retired, right?
• 1:08:03
  But his whole framework was that and then, you know, his daughter
• 1:08:07
  says to him, I guess something obviously something enough that
• 1:08:10
  he released, he stops and and and that's an even more dramatic
• 1:08:18
  version of what you're saying. And it's so, it's so and because
• 1:08:22
  you know what, in a certain sense, it's really harder In a
• 1:08:25
  certain sense, dude, kids and kids are so unpredictable and
• 1:08:31
  they're not rational. So they keep you on your toes as
• 1:08:34
  to how you have to be able to respond to the most irrational
• 1:08:38
  requests and behaviors that you can think of.
• 1:08:41
  There's no, there's no linear behavior pattern necessarily
• 1:08:49
  with kids. And anyone that thinks to have
• 1:08:51
  it worked out, we always, you know, we find out that there's
• 1:08:55
  more and more that we're always learning.
• 1:08:57
  So you know what, even if we get a general, you know, I think a
• 1:09:00
  lot of people, a lot of guys don't know what to do.
• 1:09:03
  They wouldn't know what to do if it was 6:00 at night and they
• 1:09:06
  had three kids crying and all that had to take baths and then
• 1:09:09
  your wife's trying to make dinner and then you're thrown in
• 1:09:12
  there and it's your job to make everything calm.
• 1:09:14
  Now guys are like, dude, get me to the office.
• 1:09:17
  Absolutely. Get me to my desk, get my boss
• 1:09:21
  screaming at me right now because.
• 1:09:23
  And I did listen, my father, I was, but I was fortunate.
• 1:09:28
  And I said before my father, he said I think he was a very
• 1:09:32
  balanced individual, but he happened to have a niche enough
• 1:09:35
  where he can be an entrepreneurial individual and
• 1:09:38
  be their first kids. And he was at every single one
• 1:09:41
  of my football games he was at. I mean, he was at, he was I, I
• 1:09:47
  can't, it was only until I was an adult.
• 1:09:51
  Yeah. I mean, I was well into
• 1:09:52
  adulthood before he decided to, to, to do like the I'll go away
• 1:09:58
  and I'll see, you know, the, the business trip.
• 1:10:00
  I mean, he would do trips, but here's the crazy part.
• 1:10:03
  But the trips he used to do when we were kids, he would bring
• 1:10:06
  every one of the each kid would go on a trip by himself with,
• 1:10:11
  with my dad. That's so great.
• 1:10:12
  So I remember the handful of times I went on a trip special
• 1:10:16
  with my so listen, was he threading a needle?
• 1:10:19
  I don't think that opportunity exists for everyone.
• 1:10:22
  Do I think that there's a way for me to attain that?
• 1:10:25
  I would hope. And that's that's what I'm
• 1:10:27
  working towards. I don't I don't think I'm
• 1:10:29
  working towards working to to you know, to your to your point.
• 1:10:33
  Yeah. But almost it's best of both
• 1:10:35
  worlds. But you have that beautiful
• 1:10:37
  opportunity where you. I go for my my 11:00 in the
• 1:10:41
  afternoon jog and I see you on your walk when you're getting
• 1:10:43
  it. Never from home.
• 1:10:45
  Yeah, exactly. But you get to be there to watch
• 1:10:48
  your kid grow up. And I, I, I, I just, you know,
• 1:10:55
  the same way that I think the world would be a better place if
• 1:10:58
  more people looked at themselves like teachers and the people
• 1:11:01
  around them like students. I think the world would be a
• 1:11:04
  much better place if people looked at family not as like a
• 1:11:10
  dead weight that holds you back, but an opportunity to really
• 1:11:16
  truly extend. And, you know, it's also fun and
• 1:11:19
  we could wrap up soon. Don't work it out.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, sure. Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  I was leaving my phone to see if my wife.
• 1:11:25
  I was talking to, you know, I was talking about students
• 1:11:27
  because again, in Dead Poets Society, you know, the the the
• 1:11:31
  main character, his dad is not wealthy relative to other kids
• 1:11:35
  in the school. And he says, he keeps on saying
• 1:11:37
  that the movie. And you don't really know what
• 1:11:39
  he's referring to, but you understand that he sacrificed a
• 1:11:41
  lot to have his kid attend this top tier private school.
• 1:11:45
  And, and you, it's very clear that the kid is the father is
• 1:11:52
  expecting his son to fulfill his dreams.
• 1:11:56
  And I, there was a life that I wanted to live that I couldn't
• 1:12:00
  live. And you are going to live it for
• 1:12:02
  me, whether you like it or not. And that mentality exists with
• 1:12:08
  teachers. That mentality exists with
• 1:12:10
  parents and, and, and and and it's by the way, it's totally
• 1:12:14
  natural. I mean, these are these are
• 1:12:15
  genes, these are these, these are kids.
• 1:12:18
  If you're not working for the best life that you could
• 1:12:21
  possibly provide them, what are you working for?
• 1:12:23
  On the other hand, you're not putting, you're not giving them
• 1:12:27
  any input into anything that they do.
• 1:12:29
  You know, you're not letting them be them or you're not.
• 1:12:32
  I think that's the whole thing. You're trying to be like, I'm
• 1:12:34
  going to be a frame 2.0. This kids going to be me without
• 1:12:38
  all the bugs. Yeah, You know, we take take all
• 1:12:41
  the bugs out and it's it's a terrible way to raise a kid.
• 1:12:45
  I don't know if there's a right way.
• 1:12:46
  And we're going to all be raising kids with AI in the
• 1:12:50
  world. It's it's going to be AI.
• 1:12:52
  Think it's dude, I'm not, I'm not going to give my kid a
• 1:12:54
  smartphone for a long time. But then then you have the
• 1:12:56
  challenge of trying to, I mean, then your kids going to be the
• 1:12:59
  Amish kid. Yeah.
• 1:12:59
  He's going to be the kid that, yeah, doesn't know how to enter
• 1:13:03
  into the world. No.
• 1:13:03
  What are you supposed to do? I think that I think that that's
• 1:13:07
  the value of community. I think that that's I think that
• 1:13:10
  there's a real value. I think that there's going to be
• 1:13:12
  in the world that we're in, in the community that we're in,
• 1:13:15
  that there's going to be enough people that interact on a
• 1:13:18
  regular basis without that, you know, that have similar values
• 1:13:22
  that there's going to be this kind of isolated pocket of
• 1:13:25
  community that even if the kid might be one of the few in his
• 1:13:29
  class, hypothetically that is not have a phone, even though I
• 1:13:33
  plan to probably send him tomorrow to school anyway.
• 1:13:36
  But even if not the people that that his his friends and the and
• 1:13:41
  the world that he grows up in is not going to revolve around
• 1:13:43
  that. And I also hope to really be
• 1:13:46
  transparent. I think that there's, I think
• 1:13:48
  that there's, I think that one thing that my parents didn't do
• 1:13:50
  as much, which I really could have probably benefited from,
• 1:13:54
  even though I understand. And as I got older, because as,
• 1:13:57
  as you know, as things happen, you're like, I'm not a glad I'm
• 1:14:00
  not having this conversation with my parents, like figuring
• 1:14:03
  out like what this is. You know, on the other hand, I
• 1:14:06
  really would have liked like some kind of heads up as to like
• 1:14:10
  what's going on. And they didn't even know what
• 1:14:11
  was going on. You know, I mean, when I was 14,
• 1:14:15
  I had to go to my mom and tell her to put a block on my phone.
• 1:14:17
  Like she didn't think to do that by herself.
• 1:14:19
  She had no idea what I was able to access my phone.
• 1:14:21
  And and like, I had and I had such a strong sense of Jewish
• 1:14:26
  guilt that, you know, I couldn't, I couldn't, I
• 1:14:28
  couldn't, you know, whatever with that, with that without
• 1:14:32
  feeling bad about it. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:14:33
  I seriously did, you know, but but that, but that is that
• 1:14:36
  Catholic. But that that's right.
• 1:14:38
  But that, But I I also think that that shows what instilling
• 1:14:42
  values. Like my mom didn't know that
• 1:14:45
  porn was accessible for a 14 year old on a smartphone to like
• 1:14:48
  go in a private browser and go to Google or download an app
• 1:14:51
  because the private browser was blocked or whatever.
• 1:14:53
  And like she didn't know that, but she instilled me with enough
• 1:14:55
  values to say, even when I'm, even when I figure out a way to
• 1:14:59
  do it, it doesn't, it doesn't sit right with me.
• 1:15:02
  It's not the thing I want to be doing with myself, but with my
• 1:15:04
  time. So if that, that comes back to,
• 1:15:08
  to, I think the the point about creating a moral framework where
• 1:15:13
  if there are pockets of if, if for some reason you find
• 1:15:17
  yourself with an excessive amount of individuality and
• 1:15:21
  you're sitting there thinking, you know, I have all this
• 1:15:24
  freedom, but I'm just scrolling through an app that's meant to
• 1:15:28
  tap into the lizard part of my brain and drain me of my
• 1:15:32
  dopamine because I'm just searching, searching, searching.
• 1:15:35
  And then I'm at the end of an hour and I'm like, if you're
• 1:15:38
  sitting there and doing that and you're, you're fortunate to have
• 1:15:43
  people who I guess did the hard work and said, Hey, listen,
• 1:15:45
  here's a framework that when you came in contact with that
• 1:15:48
  obstacle, you're able to say, hey, listen, this isn't good for
• 1:15:52
  me. This is too, too much access to
• 1:15:54
  to an external pleasure that yeah.
• 1:15:56
  So you think that having you and that having that you guys
• 1:16:01
  generally being around for your kid will be more likely to
• 1:16:05
  reinforce that very healthy absolute moral compass.
• 1:16:10
  It's why I don't. It's why I'm not thankless,
• 1:16:13
  hopefully, right. I'm, I'm, I'm able to, I, you
• 1:16:16
  know, my work doesn't take me so far away from, from being able
• 1:16:19
  to raise my kids actively. But for sure, Debbie, hopefully,
• 1:16:24
  of course, the I absolutely think that one of the reasons is
• 1:16:28
  like everyone's like which school to send kids to.
• 1:16:31
  And I think the school matters. And this may be because the way
• 1:16:36
  I was raised, so I was homeschooled.
• 1:16:39
  So it may be that that I feel this on a different level than
• 1:16:42
  other people, but my interaction with Judaism, my interaction
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  with society, I mean, all of those things were from the the
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  home. And it wasn't, it wasn't like,
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  because there's two ways to do it.
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  There's the fear of the outside world, which is absolutely the
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  case. Most homeschoolers from back in
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  the early 2000s. Today it's different because of
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  social media, but back in the early 2000s, if you were
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  homeschooled, a lot of those parents were were Christian or
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  evangelical, like very ultra like we don't believe in the
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  public school system. The devil's work.
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  Is that what it was? Absolutely.
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  All of those kids were not all of them, but a lot of a lot of
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  those kids were, were just very, you can see very bogged down
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  with the with with the, with the narrative they were given.
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  I was given a very creative narrative and a very yeah.
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  And it reflects the way and it reflects the way that you feel.
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  I thought, I thought of my life like Little House in the
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  Prairie. It was, I really, I really
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  enjoyed my upbringing tremendously.
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  And it gave me a framework. And so I, I do think at home you
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  can, you can communicate a framework so that if the, if a
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  kid is in school or interacting with society and they're like,
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  well, listen, this doesn't sit with me the way I want it to.
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  You can be the, the, you, you know what I mean?
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  Like you have more, you have more control over what happens
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  to your kid that I think people may realize.
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  And, and the less of a stranger you are to your kid, the more
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  your kid, the more your kid can communicate with you.
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  And the biggest problem that happens with so many people is
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  that they feel like their parents can not and will not or
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  do not hear them. You know, whether it's
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  intentional or not, they, my dad does not hear the words that are
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  coming out of my mouth. He he hears the words.
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  He does not put them together and process them.
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  He doesn't get me. You know what?
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  I'll talk to someone else and that's on him.
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  Yeah. You have someone.
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  You have to. I'm curious that you have
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  someone else coming up. Not that he wasn't there for
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  you, but my dad was always was always a little bit more aloof
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  emotionally, but always very dependable.
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  And almost every other. I'm not saying you're dead,
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  that's my point. I'm not trying to say that my
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  mom was excellent emotionally. And so I always had a
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  combination of fallout, like fallout, like there are times
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  where my mom would be far too rational.
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  I'm in your house, dude. Oh man.
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  Yeah, in case that the park got cut off.
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  But either way, my dad was more supportive in most of the ways
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  other than emotional depth. And like he would always support
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  you, he'd always come with it, come to you for things he would
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  always like. He would participate with you.
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  He's very participatory, but my mom was real.
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  Like you talked to her about dating, you talked to her about
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  feeling like your teacher hated you and you felt like you were
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  an idiot at school and like, and like you could talk to her about
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  the more real insecure aspects of life that.
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  And sure, by the way, it's I think it's good that each parent
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  kind of takes on different responsibility that you can look
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  at one for one thing and the other for the other thing.
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  And everyone kind of has their roles.
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  Absolutely. I think that's a great thing.
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  But there was just. And again, and to keep going
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  back to this movie, I guess could stop my mind so strongly.
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  But the Deadpool Society where the entire time the main
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  character can't look at his dad. Like he could talk to him and he
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  could talk to Robin Williams and he could talk to a teacher that
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  makes his. And you could see that the dad
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  has his own pain and the dad has his own problem.
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  And there's just like this, this, this terrible cycle of, of
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  aloofness and not relatability from father to son, where the
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  relatability is so necessary because a kid is looking how to
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  navigate the adult world from the only role model that he
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  knows, which is his dad. And like, it's so it's so sad
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  when when that's not the case. And not to say you can't get out
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  of it. Not to say you.
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  Can't make a life. But you know what it does
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  fucking suck. It does sucks.
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  It's harder and it doesn't feel as good.
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  It's not as colorful. And I'll I'll say the the like I
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  I think I handled things. It was more of an internal
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  dialogue, but my twin brother who was who is to this day the
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  if not one, you know, obviously if my spouse anything, but I'm
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  very, very close with my father, my parents, my I mean my family.
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  It's even even if you don't utilize it, having that
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  connection with people that they're always there if you need
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  to is also it works. And to know that you could do it
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  under the hood that that you, because that's what it expands
• 1:21:51
  your world from an internal dialogue to the option of of
• 1:21:55
  this kind of like vibrating universe around you, right?
• 1:21:59
  If you sit there and you have an issue, you may, you may deal
• 1:22:03
  with it on your own, but the just kind of knowing
• 1:22:06
  subconsciously that if you couldn't handle that issue,
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  which we all, sometimes it's just too much and you have to
• 1:22:12
  kind of like search outside your own head that there's all these
• 1:22:17
  different paths to handle that. And to think there's so we don't
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  have to, we don't have to go down this.
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  That's all. That's all I don't want.
• 1:22:24
  Fair enough. We don't have to go down this
• 1:22:25
  hall if you don't want it. But what do you think is the, do
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  you think there's a value, but you don't think it's there's
• 1:22:30
  value to loneliness And like the feeling of like, I would say
• 1:22:36
  value. So like value.
• 1:22:37
  I think like I happened to have a couple of stretchy years of my
• 1:22:40
  life where I really felt like there was no one that could
• 1:22:43
  relate to me in my hand. You, you, me.
• 1:22:48
  They couldn't relate to me, to my to, to, to what spoke to me,
• 1:22:51
  to what I was looking forward to what I found meaningful.
• 1:22:55
  And it was profoundly lonely, but it also helped me build and
• 1:23:01
  recognize my own identity. So, so I'm not saying just you,
• 1:23:05
  you, you kind of said the answer, I think, and that I was
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  going to say this anyway, which is, I think if the loneliness it
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  produces a, a kind of lets you develop your internal monologue.
• 1:23:24
  I think then you're sitting there developing your internal
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  monologue, which I relate to. I, I have an internal monologue.
• 1:23:32
  I think a lot of people have it and it's, it's a, it's a, it's a
• 1:23:35
  rich sense of self. I think you use God.
• 1:23:39
  I think, I think there's a lot of ways.
• 1:23:41
  I think it plugs into God a little bit.
• 1:23:45
  I think if it go if it's not that I just I don't think I'm
• 1:23:50
  I'm yeah, not only destructive, but it's it's so antithetical to
• 1:23:55
  the human condition and it to the point where it's a great
• 1:23:59
  point where the it's used as punishment, the crazy isolation.
• 1:24:04
  So, so, so it's it's so funny because it's so incredible at a
• 1:24:09
  certain point. Yeah.
• 1:24:11
  And then and then it like that, it could you're sitting there
• 1:24:14
  like, fuck, it's just me. And that's where and then you're
• 1:24:17
  then then a lot of people get, or you could be one of the quote
• 1:24:20
  UN quote lonely people. That's one of the powerful
• 1:24:22
  people, you know, and you feel like you don't play the same
• 1:24:25
  game as everyone else. Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  You're like a different level of man and only at the top or
• 1:24:29
  whatever that is. Yeah.
• 1:24:32
  And listen, you might get stuff done.
• 1:24:33
  I'm not saying, not saying there aren't leaders that not go by
• 1:24:37
  themselves at the top. I guess what are you measuring?
• 1:24:41
  If you're measuring it at quality of life and overall
• 1:24:44
  health, it's a, you know what that is?
• 1:24:46
  That's like saying cigarettes. You know what?
• 1:24:48
  That's a great example. It loves cigarettes because
• 1:24:53
  cigarettes are very helpful with short term memory, right?
• 1:24:58
  They improve short term memory. They improve short term anxiety.
• 1:25:05
  It's a short term. So there are medicinal
• 1:25:07
  applications to cigarettes. They're also incredibly
• 1:25:12
  addictive. And so so you know, you want to
• 1:25:16
  say, listen, there's leaders at the top that were finance Bros
• 1:25:20
  and they got to the top and they're and they're, they're
• 1:25:23
  improving life because someone's got to be the ruthless
• 1:25:26
  sociopathic leader. OK.
• 1:25:30
  But I think it's a much like a cigarette, you know, there's
• 1:25:33
  benefits to everything. Anyway, what do you think of?
• 1:25:37
  Do you ever listen to Modern Wisdom, the podcast with Chris
• 1:25:40
  Williamson? No, dude, I'm gonna send you one
• 1:25:43
  of his episodes. This dude is like every
• 1:25:48
  corporate frat bro catchword put into a podcast.
• 1:25:55
  Did you ever see this? He feels like a dude that went
• 1:25:57
  to like that was like a Delta Chi or like some crazy frat when
• 1:26:00
  he was in college. And then they got a job and like
• 1:26:03
  human resources and learned all the corporate doublespeak.
• 1:26:05
  And then just like the worst mix of everything.
• 1:26:07
  And it's funny because he's incredible guest.
• 1:26:11
  He's just humor, humor in on for three hours.
• 1:26:13
  Yet the other day, Oh, he's dialed in, dude.
• 1:26:15
  He's dialed. He's got he's got I think 4
• 1:26:17
  million subscribers on YouTube. He's a big deal, but he he
• 1:26:21
  judged. It drives me nuts, like every
• 1:26:27
  other word he speaks like the dynamic between the flow and the
• 1:26:31
  arrangements of the composition. And I'm like, you just sound
• 1:26:34
  like a douchebag, dude. Like, like, what are you saying?
• 1:26:37
  Just use the word dude. Just talk to me.
• 1:26:41
  Just really I don't understand. What's going on?
• 1:26:43
  That's all you got to say. Yeah, man.
• 1:26:46
  All right, dude. Hey, you ready to catch?
• 1:26:49
  You ready to wrap up? Think that was fun?
• 1:26:52
  That was fun. I'm going to give some real time
• 1:26:54
  feedback for the audience to listen to your thoughts on the
• 1:26:58
  conversation. Real time feedback.
• 1:27:01
  Real time feedback. Tell me, what am I supposed to
• 1:27:02
  do? How do you feel about the last
• 1:27:03
  hour and a half of our conversation?
• 1:27:05
  Oh, I, I feel it was, it was good.
• 1:27:09
  And you're listening at this point and obviously you thought
• 1:27:13
  so too. That's a win.
• 1:27:15
  All right, dude, thanks for doing this catch on the flip.