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PTSD and Moral Injury Explained for Leaders Who Carry the Cost of Command w/ Dr. Larry Brant · King Dems Podcast | Growth Mindset, Leadership, AI and Business Insights

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  United States of America make welcome Laurie brand.
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  How are you, Doctor Larry? I am doing well because I hope
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  everyone out there is doing well and how are you doing my friend?
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  Doing amazing, amazing, super fantastic.
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  Wow. So it's time to give you a
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  proper introduction, give you your flowers.
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  Wow. So Doctor Larry Brand, thank you
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  for staying. Yes to this moment.
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  You are not just a meeting chaplain.
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  You are not just a veteran. You are not just a minister.
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  You're someone who has been chosen to stand in the space.
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  We have broken Nets meets MENA 16 years, 7 as a Navy chaplain,
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  25 years of password leadership, 4th certified in chaplain.
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  Seen a trusting force on PTSD and viral injury.
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  A guide for people who feel disconnected from life, from
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  identity and from both. Your work centres on restoring
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  people to a life with the buildings is still worth
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  leaving. That is sacred work, that is
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  leadership and that is legacy. Doctor Larry Grant, welcome to
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  the Kingdom's podcast. Thank you very much.
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  It's an honour to be, yeah. You're welcome, Sir, before the
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  titles and of course, the credentials.
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  Were you before the uniform and before the pulpit?
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  I was just a kid from Southern Illinois in America, you know,
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  grew up in Southern Illinois, much like everybody, you know,
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  just living life, going to school and just enjoying life.
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  And that's, that's kind of who I was raised by my mom and my dad.
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  My dad was a World War 2 veteran.
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  And that's, that's just me. And then God kind of got a hold
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  of me and and brought me on this journey that we are at today.
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  So I have a moment in your life. Did you realise that you were
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  actually called self people in the darkest moment?
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  I think when when I was in high school, my church had youth
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  missions, ministry opportunities where we would go to different
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  places and serve people and seek to spread the love of Christ.
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  And I think it was, it was during those missions,
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  opportunities that God called me to serve others.
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  Wow to end the missions. But was it like a particular
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  experience? A humble man in that point of
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  time that made you realise this is what my life work is better
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  being. Yeah, actually I remember 1
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  particular mission trip that we went on.
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  We went to an Indian Reservation in South Dakota and LED vacation
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  Bible school for a mission church on the reservation.
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  And just the interaction with the Native Americans and how
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  much they appreciated what we did, that we were coming there
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  to, to not only serve them, but also to serve their children.
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  And just the the gratefulness that they had for that made a
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  deep impression on me. And I think that's a big thing
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  that God used to call me into his service.
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  Now many people whenever they hear the term PTSD, they don't
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  really understand it. But in simple language like how
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  do you explain PTSD to someone that is listening to us right
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  now? I would say that PTSD comes from
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  a traumatic event that happens to you.
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  Your life may be in danger or you just may be verbally abused
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  over and over and over and over and it just breaks you down
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  emotionally, sometimes physically it breaks you down
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  and you have trouble relating. You have high, you know, you go
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  into high anxiety and you're, you go into where you're, you're
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  constantly, you're in fear, maybe fear for your life, fear
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  for something that's going to happen to you.
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  It could be emotions like that. As someone who who has PTSD from
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  my combat experiences as a Navy chaplain, for me, it's a loss of
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  safety after my combat experience and what happened to
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  me there. When I came back home, there was
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  no place that I felt safe. And so when I when I go to a
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  restaurant, I have to sit with my back to the wall, monitor all
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  of the exits. If I have my back to anyone, I'm
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  very nervous because in the situation I was in in combat,
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  you never knew who was your friend and who was your enemy
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  because the enemy didn't wear a uniform.
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  And you know, for instance, if I'm, I'm doing better than I
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  used to because I decided, I decided to go get help and.
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  But. If I'm yes, I I see a counsellor
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  about every every three weeks. I see a counsellor because the
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  mental health health folks are just overwhelmed and so you just
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  aren't able to get a, an appointment every every week.
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  So I see her about every three weeks and, and talking about how
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  I feel about things really helps for myself.
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  If I'm jogging on a trail and someone suddenly comes up behind
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  me that startles me and I have to step off the trail, kind of
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  regroup and then get back on. That's just a a few of the
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  things as far as PTSD is to me. You know, PTSD is actually very,
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  very real being. You know, I think this is one of
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  the reasons why I'm really grateful for the kind of work
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  that I do and the kind of partners, the kind of brands
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  that I've partnered with me. So I'll very fast paid partner
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  on this. Broadcasters get to help.
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  So Better Help is the world's leading online therapy brand and
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  I love the way they make mental health help accessible via
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  mobiles, via devices, right? And a lot of people do not see
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  the importance of working on their mental health.
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  So a lot of people go to the team to work on their physical
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  health. Or how about your mental health,
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  which is actually even more important.
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  So I'd like for you to emphasise or to shed more light on the
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  importance of people generally listening to us taking the
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  initiative to work on the mental health, you know, especially
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  with the likes of better health that is easily accessible.
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  Yeah, absolutely. For myself, there was years of
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  denial that I had PTSD and then when I became a hospital
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  chaplain for the Navy, I then I started to realise that I had
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  it. But I really struggled with
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  going to my colleagues for help, somebody that I was supposed to
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  be their chaplain and, but yet I wanted, I, I needed help too.
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  And but finally, I just decided, you know what, just as you said,
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  just like going to the gym and doing what you need to do for
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  your body, I finally decided that I need to go and do what I
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  needed to do for my mind. Because some of the things, you
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  know, with that, you know, with that loss of safety comes that
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  hyper vigilance. And that's just exhausting, you
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  know, constantly being on guard, it's just exhausting.
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  I think I lead to hyperventilation.
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  Let's talk about moral injury. That is actually less talked
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  about, but it's a very, very damaging like, what is moral
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  injury? And like, why is it often more
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  painful than trauma itself? So Moral injury, as we talked
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  about PTSD is a traumatic event that happens to you.
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  Moral injury is kind of the other side of the coin.
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  Moral injury is when you do something, or maybe you're
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  ordered to do something by someone in authority over you.
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  Or maybe you fail to present, fail to, and the end result of
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  what happens just goes against everything that you believe in
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  morally, ethically, emotionally, especially spiritually, and that
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  that just absolutely breaks you down.
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  It weighs you down with guilt and with shame.
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  And the individual with moral injury many times goes on to
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  believe that they are just unlovable and unforgivable
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  because of what they have done. Some even believe that they have
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  become infected with evil because of the actions that they
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  took that they feel like are just unforgivable.
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  And in many cases, they will just step back from everything
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  in their life. They will step back from their
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  faith. They will step back from their
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  family. They will step back from their
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  friends, not because those people irritate them, but
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  because of the actions they have taken that broke them in the
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  first place. They are afraid that they will
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  infect those people with their vadnais, with their evil.
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  And so they step back and isolate themselves, quite often
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  self medicating, and in some cases that self medication even
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  goes to the point of suicide because they just feel like
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  they're unfixable and they feel like it's better for everyone
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  else if they just take themselves out of the picture
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  permanently. So what are the key differences
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  between PTSD and moral injury that most people don't
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  understand? The key difference obviously is,
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  you know, PTSD is something that happens to you.
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  Moral injury is something that you do.
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  But in addition to that is the guilt and the shame that, that
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  hammering of themselves of the guilt and the shame and that
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  feeling that I can't ever be a good person again because of
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  what I've done. You know, God can forgive you,
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  but because of what I've done, I'm unforgivable.
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  I, I am not lovable Forgiveness, God's forgiveness is for
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  everybody but me because of what I've done.
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  They just, then they, they also quite often in many people with
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  moral injury, PTSD is there as well.
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  And so with that, they may have had a traumatic event where
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  something happens to them, but then in reaction to that
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  traumatic event, they then do something that goes completely
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  against everything that they believe in and they they
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  emotionally break themselves is what happens.
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  So if you could imagine the, you know, and this is just one
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  example, if you can imagine a soldier in Iraq or someone's
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  just pinging the tar out of me, if you can just imagine a
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  soldier in Iraq and he has a bomb that goes off near him,
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  that's a traumatic event. Then he sees someone with a
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  suicide vest, while his reaction is going to have to be I can't
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  let that person get close enough to me to detonate, to hurt
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  myself, to hurt other people. So then he shoots and kills that
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  individual, finding out later that it was actually a pregnant
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  woman with a suicide vest. So now he's dealing with the
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  thought of taking another life, even though he had a choice
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  between bad and worse. And then he's also grappling
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  with the idea that he also killed that unborn life.
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  And he feels like at that point, he feels like I'm just a
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  terrible, horrible person because of what I've done, even
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  though his choices were between bad and worse.
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  Or you look at someone, say a medical provider at the height
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  of COVID. And you know, we, we all saw
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  those articles where there wasn't enough ventilators to go
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  around during the height of COVID.
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  And So what about that medical provider where he has to make
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  that decision? This person gets to go on the
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  ventilator. This person has to die because
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  we just simply don't have enough ventilators to go around.
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  And then they step back and I went into medicine to help
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  people. I didn't go into medicine to
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  decide who lives and who dies. And then they, they second guess
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  everything they do from that point forward or the first
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  responder who answers a call for an emergency.
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  And then afterward, if the person you know, if, if there's
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  an unsuccessful resolution to that issue, then they start
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  second guessing themselves saying, well, here I trained to
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  be a first responder, but I'm not good.
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  I'm a I'm not a good person doing this.
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  Do I really help people and they just start second guessing
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  themselves and thinking that they're not only a bad first
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  responder, but maybe a bad person to begin with as well.
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  And so doing that, it can even go into the world of we have
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  people who have PTSD from from sexual assault.
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  But what happens to that individual if after the sexual
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  assault, they have the PTSD from the sexual assault, But then
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  they begin to believe and sometimes this is what the
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  perpetrator says to them. You know, if you were in a
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  certain way, I wouldn't have had to do this to you or you realise
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  that that what I did to you was all your fault, even though we
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  know that is not the case. But sometimes, and for some
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  people, they get into believe that the assault was their fault
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  and that they did bring it on themselves.
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  And then they start thinking of themselves less and less of a
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  person and they go deeper and deeper into their shell because
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  they're afraid if they come out, they could get attacked again.
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  But they also may be afraid that if they come out of their shell
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  that they're going to be encouraging others to behave in
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  a way that somehow they get attacked.
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  I know that that may seem crazy, but I have come across
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  individuals like that and it's hard to see somebody who thinks
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  so little of themself because of an action that has happened to
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  them and then maybe a reaction that they had in response.
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  And, you know, one really big tiring thing about a lot of
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  people in this bracket is their unwillingness to speak up to at
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  least talk about it, right? Because I say a problem shared
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  is a problem. How so?
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  I have had the privilege of encountering, you know, a good
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  number of individuals like this, but they are typically unwilling
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  to speak up. And also, I think society has a
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  way of shaming people or stigmatising people, right, that
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  have gone through unfortunate incidences in life.
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  But people just need to find a way to learn how to speak up.
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  So what? What's your word to people who
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  are suffering in silence today? My word is find someone.
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  Actually I would say find two people.
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  One go to God. Go, go to God in your hurt and
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  your pain. He will listen to you first,
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  Peter 57 says. Cast your cares upon me, for I
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  care for you. God is literally begging for you
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  to to just drop all of your hurt and pain at his doorstep.
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  Secondly, what I would encourage you to do is to find a safe
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  place that may be an online community, maybe an online
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  veterans group and online first responders group and online
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  sexual trauma group or, or something that's in your
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  community and find a safe place where you can begin to Share
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  your story. We do here at 29 Palms.
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  We have a PTSD and moral injury group that we have here on base
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  that I started about four years ago.
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  And in that group, we'll, we'll take them through a course of
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  about of eight weeks. This was originally a course
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  designed by the Veterans Administration by a clinical
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  psychiatrist and a VA chaplain. And then with their permission,
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  I took it and tweaked it a little bit for active duty.
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  And then we do it here on base. I lead it with a mental health
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  professional. And we'll have a small group of
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  about four to six people and we will meet for 8 weeks.
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  And it's interesting how guarded everyone is the first week that
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  we come together. And then we'll have we'll have
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  someone share their story. And then it's like once one
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  person is willing to share their story in the group, the
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  floodgates just open. And then everyone is is sharing
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  their story. And the coolest thing happens is
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  that they begin to realise I'm not alone in this struggle.
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  I'm not alone in this fight. There are other people just like
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  me and they don't judge me when I share with them.
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  And that's what I mean by finding a safe place to be able
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  to Share your story. And that sharing of that story,
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  just as you said, you know, a problem shared is halved.
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  And then it that pain doesn't become something that they
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  continue to bear alone, that that hurt, that pain, that story
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  is actually lifted and shared by the group and the bond.
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  That you bring it up, the power of the group, I really
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  appreciate it. Yeah, the the power of the group
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  is huge. And what we have seen is that
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  not only does the group become important, they start to stay
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  connected to each other even outside of our group time.
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  And then if something happens during the course of their week,
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  they will reach out to the members of the group for support
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  and encouragement. And even after the 8 weeks are
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  over, what we have seen is that the groups tend to stay together
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  and also will continue to support and encourage and lift
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  each other up, just adding to the recur to their recovery and
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  restoration from PTSD and moral injury.
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  Absolutely amazing. Just to touching that Better
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  Help also has groups or the Better Help app.
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  And one more thing, John. The example of what I'm talking.
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  Yeah, they have John Alene as well.
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  So I'd like for you to talk about John Alene.
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  Like how does John Alene help the process of recovery?
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  Well, for us, we kind of do a version of journaling.
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  And when I'm working with an individual with PTSD and moral
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  injury or whether I'm working with someone with a group, we do
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  a version of journaling called the two way Prayer log.
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  And So what we do is we ask the individual actually when we're
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  in the group, we don't ask. We tell if it's a homework
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  assignment, but we'll say OK, every morning, every evening,
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  whichever works for you, sit down and and write out a prayer.
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  Write out a write out a prayer about the day's events.
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  Write out a prayer about how you're feeling, what's going on
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  with you, what has happened in the day, where, where you think
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  your future's going, whatever you want to write about, write
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  out that prayer. And that's Part 1.
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  Part 2 is that after you have written out the prayer, then
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  step back and answer the prayer from what you think God's
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  perspective would be. How do you think God would
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  answer that prayer? And then write that in your
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  journal as well. And what that does is that helps
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  the person to take a step back and look at their look at what's
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  going on with them from a different perspective of their
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  own. And so they begin to see things
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  from that other perspective. And you know how sometimes a
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  person with PTSD and moral injury, either one, this can
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  happen, the person can begin to get tunnel vision, you know,
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  where they can only see about this much.
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  Kind of like me, when I lost safety, I had the tunnel vision
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  of never feeling safe. And it's sometimes still do, but
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  by doing that two way prayer log, similar to the journaling
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  that your organisation encourages people to do, the
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  putting it on the page or typing it into the screen, that helps
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  put their thoughts into organised words rather than
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  sometimes those juggled up feelings and emotions.
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  And then when you take that further step back and you answer
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  it, or you, you seek to answer it from what you think God's
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  perspective would be, you're looking at it outside of
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  yourself. And sometimes that can give you
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  a better perspective of what you're facing.
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  Because when we get that tunnel vision, we get that anxiety and
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  then we can't seem to get out of that spiral.
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  But when you step back for that second part of that prayer log
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  and answer things from God's perspective, that forces you to
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  to stop that spiral and to look at things from a bigger godly
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  perspective. Interesting, so how do you say
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  trauma reshapes a person's identity, not just their
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  emotions? Oh yeah, trauma can drastically
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  reshape someone's identity. Think about the sexual assault
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  victim. Trauma can reshape their
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  identity into to where they always, they always think of
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  themselves as a victim and a target from that point forward.
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  For me, the trauma of the firefights I was in that and
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  that lack of feeling safe, that trauma reshaped my identity as
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  someone who I felt always targeted, always.
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  I began to believe that someone was always out to get me because
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  of that experience of being targeted in country, because one
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  thing that happened to me was I was with my Marines and we had
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  the Marines had found a cache of weapons and some documents.
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  And as the translator was going through the documents, all of a
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  sudden the translator turns to me and says, chaps, you're in
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  here. And I said, what do you mean?
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  And, and the translator said, well, in these documents, one of
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  the things that they're saying is that if you kill the Marines
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  religious leader, you'll break their spirit.
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  And so I was like, wow. So they're going at, you know,
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  they're intentionally going after chaplains and their
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  assistants. And he goes, no, it's more than
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  that. They have your physical
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  description in this document. So in that document saying kill
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  this person was my description and my assistant's description
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  saying if you kill these two people, the religious leader and
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  his helper, then you will break the spirit of the Marines in
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  this area. Now, actually, truly, if they
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  had done that, what they would have done was just make the
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  Marines meaner. I mean, that's the truth.
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  You, you kill, you kill a Marines chap, they're going to
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  go. They're going to go for blood
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  even harder. But that experience of, of
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  having my physical description and the words kill this guy took
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  away my safety and from that trauma reshaped my identity into
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  someone. I felt like I always had a
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  target on my back from that point.
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  Forward and I never. Especially it was, yeah, it was
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  a few years before I could even go to a large event.
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  You know, it was a it was a few years before I could go to a
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  baseball or football game. And then one example, I'll just
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  tell you this, boy, I'm really exposing myself here.
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  That that was in 2011. In 2015.
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  Now where was it? No, it was fall of 2014.
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  I was in Tampa, FL and the the Coast Guard uses Navy chaplains,
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  just the US Coast Guard uses Navy chaplains.
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  So we bounce back and forth between the Navy, the Marines,
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  and the Coast Guard and with whatever service we're with,
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  that's the uniform we wear. So I've got a closet full of
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  uniforms. I got Navy uniforms, Marine
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  Corps uniforms, Coast Guard. When we move, the movers go.
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  You have more clothes than your wife, but I still don't think
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  that's possible. One of my best friends in the
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  Navy, his brother at that time was working for the football
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  team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And so we were, he had gotten us
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  a couple free tickets for a preseason game.
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  And so the stadium is beautiful. And if you've ever been there at
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  one end of the stadium, because they're the Buccaneers, at one
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  end of the stadium is a life-size pirate ship.
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  But what I didn't know was on the ship they have working
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  cannons, and when the bucks score, they fire the cannons.
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  And so my seats or my wife and my seats were right in front of
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  the pirate ship. And so my friend's brother and
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  his girlfriend come over. They're talking to us.
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  So I'm not paying attention to the game.
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  They're talking to us, and all of a sudden the Buccaneers
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  score, the cannons go off behind me.
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  I, immediately upon hearing those cannons, felt like I was
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  back in Afghanistan. Just immediately I grabbed my
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  wife, threw her to the ground, covered her and then realised I
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  was back in the stadium. I look up at my friend brother
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  and he and his girlfriend were looking at me like this.
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  And so I thought, well, the only way out of this is with the
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  truth. I just said, man, I'm just so
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  sorry. When I heard those cannons, I
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  flashed, and I reacted without even thinking, you know, And my
• 30:37
  wife saw the floor of the state in between the seats, you know,
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  saying get me up, get me up. And bless her heart, she's still
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  with me to this day. But that's just one example of
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  how trauma can reshape you. You know, you've actually spoken
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  about addressing mental health issues even in the church, in
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  society at large, right? So what does the church and the
• 31:05
  society generally need to wake up to when it comes to mental
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  health, When it comes to PTSD, When it comes to moral injury?
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  I think the church, the church needs to educate itself.
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  As I've, as I've travelled this country, even as I've travelled
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  the world on deployments, I've talked to a lot of pastors in a
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  lot of different places. What I have seen is if you ask a
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  pastor what's PTSD, more often than not, they can give you a
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  pretty good description of what that is because they, they have
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  recognised that they've, they've educated themselves, they've
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  started working with church members who have that.
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  But then when you ask a pastor or a ministry leader, hey, can
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  you tell me what moral injury is?
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  Usually they will just go, They'll either give you a look
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  like a deer in headlights, or they will just look at you and
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  say, you know, I have absolutely no idea.
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  But then when you say what moral injury is, it's when a person
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  transgresses and does something against everything that they
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  believe in and it is broken. Then then usually that that
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  pastor will step back and go, I know exactly who that's
• 32:18
  describing. And then they can tell you that
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  there's a per, you know, probably 1-2, maybe even more
• 32:24
  individuals within their congregation that that
• 32:27
  completely describes. And there go, I've been looking
• 32:31
  at them all wrong. And I think that's what happens
• 32:35
  in the churches. We have these people in our
• 32:38
  pews, or maybe they've disappeared from the pews and
• 32:41
  their families are there and we mistake their pain and their
• 32:44
  hurt for something else. We may mistake it for
• 32:48
  backsliding. We may mistake it for burnout.
• 32:51
  We may mistake it for who knows? But then then another thing that
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  happens is the person who, who comes forward, you know, in our
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  tradition, at the end of the service, we'll have a time where
• 33:07
  people can respond to the message and, and if God is
• 33:10
  speaking to them, what can you know, how, how does God want
• 33:14
  them to respond? And sometimes they will come
• 33:17
  forward. And because the pastor is not
• 33:20
  educated on what moral injury is, the pastor might give them a
• 33:25
  brief scripture, pray with them briefly, pat them on the back
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  and kind of say you're good to go and they're not good to go.
• 33:32
  What that person needs is a godly, safe place, someone who
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  can sit with them in their pain and then help them begin to
• 33:41
  visualise that there is a path to restoration.
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  And that's with what I'm doing right now.
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  That's the message I'm trying to get out to these ministry
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  leaders and these churches is that we need to to not offer
• 33:56
  quick fixes, but we need to sit with folks in their pain and
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  show them that that path to restoration to where if they
• 34:04
  think they're broken by these things, there's a path that they
• 34:08
  can come back from. Speaking of a path to
• 34:11
  restoration, Ephesians chapter 4 verse 12 says for the perfecting
• 34:15
  of the Saints, for the work of the ministry and for the
• 34:19
  edifying of the body of Christ. That is what the church is
• 34:22
  actually for. So for me to you again, it's a
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  very, very big thank you. We've already beat our type
• 34:31
  limit. I will take you through the
• 34:33
  Pacific Ring of Fire. The five person big fire round
• 34:37
  questions. Are you ready to rumble?
• 34:41
  Hey. Let's go quick.
• 34:43
  Answers only #1 What is one word that describes hope?
• 34:48
  Jesus. Oh nice, fantastic #2 what is
• 34:51
  one book that has changed how you see healing?
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  Achilles in Vietnam. Interesting.
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  So what is 1 habit that protects your own mental health?
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  Spending time with my wife. Interesting.
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  God bless her. What is something people
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  misunderstand about chaplains? Something that they
• 35:13
  misunderstand about chaplains. Yes.
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  Is that what you said? Exactly.
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  They think that we cost. They think that we constantly
• 35:24
  compromise our faith, which we don't.
• 35:28
  OK, out of press 55, the last one, give me 3 words that
• 35:32
  describe your life's Misha, your legacy. 3 words.
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  Hope, resilience and restoration.
• 35:41
  Amazing. So that's something I always see
• 35:44
  on the forecast whenever a person shares the time with you
• 35:48
  this year, they're likely to be the course.
• 35:49
  The SI you do for measuring life is time.
• 35:52
  So Doctor Larry, thank you very much for the work that you do in
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  silence and in the presence of people.
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  And of course, in truth, I always say this, that an
• 36:05
  attitude of gratitude is good attitude.
• 36:08
  So thank you for standing with the wounded, with the hurts,
• 36:12
  with the sick. And of course, thank you for
• 36:14
  restoring dignity via the world has forgotten it.
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  So for the listeners who want to learn more about lives, work and
• 36:23
  resources, you can actually visit
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  ithinkrestoringthebrooklyn.com. Is that correct?
• 36:30
  Restoringthebroken.com actually it and massive respect.
• 36:34
  Restoringthebroken.com was taken, so it's Restoring the
• 36:38
  Dash broken.com or you can look me up on Amazon.
• 36:44
  My book is coming out very soon and it's called Restoring the
• 36:47
  Broken, but you could type that into Amazon as well and you will
• 36:51
  see that come up and it will be available on Kindle paperback
• 36:54
  and hardback. Are amazing, so we will have
• 36:57
  that in the description section. So before you leave, you want to
• 37:00
  give a shout out to anyone before you.
• 37:04
  Who are you giving a shout out to?
• 37:06
  Just shout out to my excuse me, my lovely bride Tammy, to my
• 37:10
  kids, and especially to my Marine sailors and Coast
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  Guardsmen that I've had the privilege to know over the last
• 37:19
  16 years. God bless you.
• 37:22
  Amazing. God bless Doctor Larry, God
• 37:24
  bless the Kingdom's podcast, God bless the listeners.
• 37:27
  Guys, if you are listening to me, do not forget.
• 37:31
  Always go for something in your lives, conceive, believe, strive
• 37:34
  to thrive and achieve. For me, it's goodbye.
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  And of course, from Doctor Larry Brad, it is goodbye.
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  All right. Thank you.