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27. Changing Careers and Increasing Your Salary as a First-Generation Immigrant with My Brother Daryl · WOC and Allies: Business and Career Realtalk with Elaine Lou Cartas

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: I got a treat for all of you.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: I am interviewing my not so baby brother, Daryl Cardis, to share his experience at changing careers, where he shares vulnerably his challenge transitioning into a different career as a first-gen immigrant, and how he successfully doubled his salary in a completely new field.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I interviewed him because you know I'm the older sister who's one bossy.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: And two, he basically owes me for taking care of him his whole life.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, to my oldest siblings were yet.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just gonna warn you my brother was a bully in this episode.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: He opened up the floodgates where I cried a lot.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: And if you're a first-gen immigrant or not, and you want to change your careers, we're getting into depth of it.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the anxiety of wanting to change careers, the mindset, the healing.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: I even talk about therapy because you guys all know I'm a huge advocate for therapy and even the practical skills, like what was needed, what were the step-by-step actions?
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just so proud of my little brother.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, I'm just excited for you guys to meet him because you get a sneak peek of how it was for me, my brother growing up as a first gender immigrant in Colossal Park, where we lived up in barred up windows.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: We got used to sleeping to hearing gunshots in the background.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's where we grew up.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: And then we eventually moved to the IE.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, before I share too much, let's drop the beat.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, legacy maker.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host and MC, Elaine Lucartis, business and career coach for Women of Color and Allies.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And welcome to the Call Your Dreams podcast, where we have conscious conversations to help you create a business or career that is sustainable, abundant, and equitable to the lifestyle you deserve.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because our ancestors sacrificed so much so we can have this life of choice.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Now, grab your coffee, tea, andor boba, and let's call your dreams to create your legacy.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Hey legacymakers! It's Elaine and I have my baby little brother with me.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, he's he's 30 guys.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm 30 and bold name.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: I am 34.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you can't see us right now because it's all audio, but I'm excited to have my little brother.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's me.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, and the reason why I brought him in is because it's one punishment, right?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Where's my older siblings at?
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: And number two, I mean, he hasn't really thanked me, but he did get a job that pays in double.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you to his sister, aka me.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_01: So you are welcome.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he transitioned completely new careers.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: So what else do you want to share about yourself, Daryl?
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think you covered it.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't what else do you want me to say?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I transitioned careers.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: I like you, maybe.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: As long as you give me like as long as she pays me.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, our my fellow older siblings know that payment usually comes in food.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we do as opposed to money, right?
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: But that's cool.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: And also if I get into an emergency, something happens, you know.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I wanted you guys to get a perspective.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I have you're gonna be my first interview in terms of someone that has transitioned careers as well as doubling their salary at the same time.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason I want to bring you on, not only one, you're my brother, but two, it's the great resignation right now.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone is leaving their job.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: You, when did you leave your job?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I left my job in around March of 2021.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Towards towards the end of 2020.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Towards the end of 2021 is when I left my job.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I had been kind of looking already for a while now.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_00: I was already setting things up before I had left my last job, but that's about when I left.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I haven't I haven't really looked back.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's been it's been great since I left.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what were you doing before?
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what do you do now?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: So before, so I have a degree in chemistry.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: I graduated about 2014, spent five or six years in RD development, working in like chemical aerospace, codings manufacturing.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: So from there, I decided I don't want to get into sales because I liked the challenge.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was nice to be able to talk to people, socialize.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I could still do like sort of technical work or use my technical expertise into a new job.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up going into technical sales for a chemicals industry.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, like I said, I just never really looked back.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's just been it's been a lot of fun.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: I still kind of do what I used to do.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: I still used to be a chemist, but I still but I also do sales now.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: So well, it seems like I mean, it was a good transition for you, right?
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: You had those technical skills.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: And what made you realize, and it it's not per se the job, but what made you what made you realize you it was a no longer good fit?
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: So so I was always like, there's a couple of things.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think there well, one was the the money.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_00: The the money was was just not as there as much as I wanted it to be, like it was in sales, and the other thing was I wasn't really learning or growing, you know, individually as a person in my career.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of stagnating.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_00: So the only real way that I felt like I could grow is it to try to try something else.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now I did try in my job, to be fair.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I tried I talked to my boss, I tried, I talked to to people within the industry, even outside the industry, you know, like, hey, is there a way I can grow within this field?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the the answer was you had to either get an advanced degree, which would have been a huge time investment, and on top of the cost of that would have almost been not worth it.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I ended up just going, try trying to switch gears a bit.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: And and what intrigued me a lot about going into sales was that when I talked to people about it, you know, they just they felt like I had the right personality for it, you know.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: So what I want our listeners to hear right now is that he was having conversations with people.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think what becomes challenging is then we get stuck in our own heads, right?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: When we're anxious, like I'm not happy, what do I do?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you started just reaching out and asking for feedback because what what I heard was really important for you is when money, and hey, it's okay to say that money is a thing that's important, especially when we're in a recession, especially when everything is expensive.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: As we're recording this, we're actually at our parents' home.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I think my dad has converted the whole backyard as a garden because all vegetables are expensive, plus, it's a great hobby.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: And while we're recording this, we're we're in my old bedroom.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: So a bit weird to be back here.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if for my fellow Filipinos or Fresh John immigrants, like if you're watching this on video, it is messy because you know, immigrant parents be hoarders.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think my mom put like some of her clothes in the closet.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like this is my mom's other room apparently.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: My mom's my mom's storage room.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: But you were having conversation with folks, like so.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: Can you and also I know he sounds like an extrovert like me, but you are very much an introvert.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, I hated it.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, how did you get over the when we start talking to people?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And what questions are I just that I you know, honestly, I just like asked myself, do I want to stay in this job that I have already, or do I want to advance further in my career?
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, am I am I okay with going working eight to five, going into work, and then going back home and then you know, just like hanging out with friends, family, or whatever?
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or is like, do I want to make like my career, do I want to create a lifestyle that I'm really going to enjoy within my career?
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because think about it, you spend like minimum 40, probably 50, 60 hours a week in your job, you know, and I don't want it to be just a job, I wanted it to be something I really enjoyed.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I really did was like, okay, I'm going to spend, if I'm going to spend this amount of time doing something, I want to make sure it's something that I really enjoy and do.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: And even though I'm like, I didn't want to reach out to people, I was very reticent to do it.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know that.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: I did it anyways, because I I told myself that I wanted to have more than just what I was given.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Having more than just what is given, that is a packed question.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we're a brother and sister, so we both have the same parents, at least we think so to this point.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't see the resemblance.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and I mean, like we look at our dad.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: Our dad has literally had the same job since you were born.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so how do you think that has made an impact and influence on what you've why it was important for you to find a job to end for their lives?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was really important.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you think about how our family started way back when, right?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: They were in the Philippines, they were immigrants, they didn't have a lot of money.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: So think about where they started from, you know, and then they moved themselves all the way up from there.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: Going over to the states, basically they didn't have anything.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they had family, but they had to support themselves.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: So they made act in perspective to them, yeah, relative to us, maybe first generation or second generation, you know, it could look like they didn't they don't have as much, but they actually started from almost nothing, pretty much nothing, right?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: To get to where they're at.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I think there's an obligation for people like you or I, when we're born and we're here, that while we might want to have something just as good, if not better, we should exceed those expectations that are set by us by society because because because that's what our parents did.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: They exceeded the all the expectations their family had of themselves and their siblings that have of themselves.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so why don't we do the same thing and get into a job?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like even the chemist job, even though you know I look for something better because that's what I wanted.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: When I started my job as a chemist, I was making like more money than both my parents combined.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's great, but I wanted more.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: And now I'm making double what I did when I was a chemist, so like four times as much as what my parents did.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to keep going because why not?
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: I can do it.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, like let me just say, as like older sister, like I'm like getting teary-eyed right now because I'm not goddamn! I'm wearing I'm actually wearing like a long white t-shirt, it's my brother's shirt because Facebook bags me when I'd wear an altar top.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, that's for a different conversation.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: So there's another we have another brother.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the oldest, Daryl's the youngest, and then there's Marion who's the middle child.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell our parents all the time, like, God, you raised us so well.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I think people see where we're at now, but like we struggled.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Daryl, you shared we shared more bed.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: We had the two-bedroom place, and there were six people living in the house.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were there is my brother, my two brothers, me and my grandmother, who we just missed dearly in one room, and then my parents in another another.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think Joe, I remember when mom's siblings they immigrated here from the Philippines a couple years ago, and Daryl shared a story I I would love for you to share.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like when we were at McDonald's, and do you remember?
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember the story.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: The checkbook.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that story.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's how we're no, that's not that wasn't when we were siblings, but that was when we were younger, yeah.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, can you share so like so?
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like going out, like even just going out to McDonald's was like a big deal because we could barely afford anything when we were kids.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I remember, you know, it was maybe I can't remember how old we were.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was like five, six, something like that.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: It might have been like you were close to being a teenager, I think.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: You're probably like 12 or 13.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: We were living in LA, right?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so then I was eight.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: Eight, probably, something like that.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, but okay, but any anyways, so we were at McDonald's.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: I my mom took us out because she tried her best to kind of treat us, make us think that we're not poor, whatever.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: Because she did a good job, which I'm good job.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't think we were that I didn't think until we got older.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't realize how it worked for, but uh but anyways, so so we were at McDonald's, we ate, you know, we we played the band and we had food and we ate, and then my mom wanted to leave, right?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: But she we said, Oh no, like we want to stay longer at the playground, you know, have some more fun.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_00: Because we never we didn't like where we lived, it was like there was just a street.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was LA, it was crowded, dirty.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like there were game bangers.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: We lived in glass for those in LA, we lived in Glassell Park, yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like our our windows were we had barred cell, yeah.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Barred barred cell, you couldn't go out, you couldn't go up past like five or six pm because it was too dangerous out there.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's not like how it is now, where it's a little more gentrified, a little more gentrified, a little more crazy wise, but yeah, like because now that area is like, yeah, it's way, it's way those homes are like worth over a mil, and like there is like some NYU grad suit.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's crazy.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Our cousins we were one of those like immigrant families where the families all lived in one block, yeah.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we lived in one home and then another and then another, anyways.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Continue your story.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're digressing.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: So so we were so we usually never are able to like have fun.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't really have we had some toys, but not a lot.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: We never had a playground or anything, or go out or had a yard.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: So when we went to go to McDonald's, it was always like a fun time.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: But anyways, we wanted to stay a bit longer.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: My mom wanted to leave, but you know, being a good mother, she understood that let the kids have fun, their kids, you know, so she let us stay.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we were running around in the playground and everything, and I remember I remember going up to the window and I see my mom on the other side, and she was writing on her checkbook, you know.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking, like, oh wow, she's actually working right now, you know.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're all here having fun.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I remember when I saw that, I went to my brother and sister and I said, Hey, let's let's go home because you know, mom's, you know, she's working, even though what was it?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: She's working, she had three kids.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: Both my parents worked like 60-hour jobs, I think, right?
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, and they still do that more or less.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it was it was it was it was at that moment I kind of realized how much work they had kind of put in and how to make things easier for us.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: And and and from there, just like you you start to see the bits and pieces kind of flow in, you know, like uh trying to support us while we're going through college.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: You went to UCI, that wasn't easy.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Then my brother went to Cal Polypomona.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: So there's two kids in college.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I decided to go out of state for college because I wanted to try something different, and they never the crazy thing, and this is something that I learned too is you know, they never really complained, they just like, hey, this is what they want.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna support them as best they can, you know.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: So, so it's like it's almost it was almost behooving, or however you say it to like for what when I get into the workplace or workforce that I should try just as hard, if not harder, than they did because they sacrifice so much.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and we owe it when you owe it to yourself too, to your parents, to yourself, and what do you want to leave in this world to society?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to leave like a good mark or do you want to be just a regular person?
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people that are listening to this right now say, Hey, I want to be, I want to leave something really important.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I want to leave something meaningful.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to just be a regular nine to five type of person, flipping burgers or something, something like that.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: Not that there's anything wrong with that, but but we all strive for more, I think, right?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: So my little brother is really mean because if you're watching right now, I'm crying so much.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not out of all my podcast gas, who's gonna make me cry?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: My baby brother.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Bullying, guys, bullying on my own podcast.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you shared like how our parents, for those that are first generation immigrants or descendants from immigrants, like how our parents worked so hard.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I think what you caught upon that is how we learned to work smarter and learning to be brave enough to ask for help.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's probably the hardest thing to do.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: That is the hardest thing to do.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And because you always felt it always felt like you didn't you couldn't ask for help because if you ask for help, people would like push back on you.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and oof, I mean, I didn't tell you this because I slept over at my parents' home.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, like I said earlier, I'm at my parents' home right now as we're doing this recording.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually had like a deep therapy session uh today, EMDR therapy, which I'm all about and I'm advocated.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, one of the challenges that I've shared with my own therapist is like being the oldest first generation immigrant.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: Then you have two brothers, we're just like protecting them, like wanting the best for them, and then like also balancing like how hard your parents have like like sacrificed so much for us, and so just what a gift to even have Daryl here sharing and not even just like ooh, look at him, he changed careers and got is getting the money he wants, but just even having that realization, it's like the honoring of our parents of our family, because I understand we understand how privileged we are.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we are.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I see my dad, our dad, who like I mean, he he would share stories of that there'd be no meals, yeah.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean for days.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I would and then I was like the teenage girl that gave up like rice here because growing up Catholic Berlet, and my dad would cry, you know, we sacrificed so much, we wouldn't have rice at the table, and we just don't take anything for granted.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I remember that story, like it was I remember that time like it was yesterday when that when that happened, and it was just it was interesting, but it puts it really puts things into perspective, I think, what your parents go through and what difficulties the past had for them.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the important thing is like how you react to it right now because uh at the end of the day, you know, and you mean you didn't know at the time, but we didn't know how to react when our dad or our mom or uh grandma adults would act like that.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: But what's important is how you react to it because you're you can only control what you what you do what you want.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you could let things like that influence you and intimidate you, and those things over time I think kind of builds up to where you're not sure of yourself, like you're afraid of making a boss angry or something, right?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're afraid of standing up for yourself or what you believe in because you're afraid you're gonna get yelled at or like hurt, or you know, maybe not physically building but like emotionally, mentally.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: And just being able to say, Hey, you know, I'm gonna break that cycle of, you know, I'm gonna be better than that, and I'm gonna make those people proud so that you know they suffered so much that, like I said, we owe it to ourselves and to the previous generations and future generations to advance our lives and make things better.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean, it's learning and growing and healing from all of the previous generations.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And when you have like all these resources, like I was talking about privilege living in this country, being able to go to college.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, it's just it's really humbling, but I would like to go back to you where what made you realize that it was worth asking?
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like if there was a future out there for you, like how you can make more money if there's any progression in the industry.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I kind of I I mean, I'd see it.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'd see other people that would be really successful and people that would enjoy themselves and making a lot of money.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just looked at them and I was thinking, well, what's different about you versus me?
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because I felt like I was just as smart, if not smarter.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like I'd work just as hard, if not harder.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like a person of color.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: As a person of color as a person of color, yeah, versus people that are, you know, maybe maybe had already an errant privilege to begin with.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: And and but more importantly, I I felt like I would care just as much, if not more, than they do.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, why couldn't I do that?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then on the other end of it, too.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: Then I would also I also had someone that had a mentor that transitioned from working in the lab to being in sales.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Daryl, I think you do really great in this role.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: You have the abilities, so why don't you go out and do it?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what I and you know what?
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: When I called him and I when he told me that, you know what I said, I said, you know, you're right.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've been limiting myself.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: I could tell myself, oh, there's no opportunities.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: I've been looking, but really I just wasn't putting in the effort because I was scared to change.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't believe in and believe in myself.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: So what happened was I ended up looking, and literally the next day, you know what happened?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: My my now boss called me and asked if I wanted to do an interview, and then I mean, everything's now now I'm uh a year or so in later, but that I was that it was that close that almost not happening, you know.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, sometimes it's just timing too, and diligence and keep working at it.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because, like I said, I've been looking for a couple years and I was getting discouraged, but I just kept trying because just because the door shuts doesn't mean like there isn't other doors in their room in the house.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're also sharing, like you shared vulnerably about being scared of change.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I think as a first generation immigrant, you know, we see our parents of how safety and security is important because they lacked it, right?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Which makes sense.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: They lacked it.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I remember when I started my business, as you know, Daryl, because my parents went to him, like, what is your sister doing?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is what happens if you don't make money?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: What happens if you lose money?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Daryl's heard it all, like being in debt, I'm dead in debt, like you know, from undergrad to even starting my business.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: How did you unlearn that?
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, learning that safety and security is so important because we saw that modeled from a parent.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: To ooh, I'm gonna shake things up.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: So, so I think it was kind of the reverse of what happened.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think our parents, you know, everything was so unstable because they went from the Philippines and they had to emigrate they immigrated here to the United States where they basically didn't have any stability and to build up that stability, build up that network or that safety net, you know.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: So then by the time we were born, it felt like I already did have that safety net of my parents I can always fall back on if I needed support.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so I knew I could take, I knew I could take a little bit of a risk, but honestly.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Just came down to you know like believing in myself, knowing knowing that I could make that transition because I've seen it happen before and be successful in it.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was definitely hard to try to do it, but you know, it's like I said, I I don't regret anything that I did or how I approached it.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I wish it had happened a little bit sooner, you know, if I trusted myself a bit more or well, you had the support you had, yeah, you found your village of people support you.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: People that showed you what was possible that was different.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I definitely had mentors.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: You obviously were one.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: There was a couple others within the company that I had, and then a couple people outside, and they were all positive people that like knew that I had the ability to do it.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: And just like constantly surrounding myself, surrounding yourself with people that help build you up.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then the most important thing I think for me also too was cutting out the people that didn't believe in you.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: And that's and that's probably one of the hardest things to do because when you're in like used to being an unstable or you're looking for stability, sometimes you'll like gravitate towards people that are also like unstable too, because you kind of relate.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: But then when you start to grow and then they stop growing, at a certain point, you have to tell yourself, you know what, you were a great friend, you know, you're a good person, and I know you're still working on yourself, but I'm heading this way, and you're either staying here or you're dragging me down.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: And it's always like if you're heading one way and the person heading the other way, it's never gonna go like this.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's only gonna go like this, it's never gonna go up both people.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna one person, the person's always gonna drag you down with them.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so that was that was, I think that was probably the last thing I had to do was just start cutting people out that weren't adding any value to my life.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then from there, I was able to surround myself with people that were positive role models.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: And the hardest part is that initial like first few like months or something, because then you don't have anyone.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to say, I made the cuts, I'm still in it, guys.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: He still kept his older sister, just saying, What tips?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: What advice would you have to folks?
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because I talk to so many people, clients, just others knowing because I'm a business and career coach who want to transition.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: What advice and tips do you have for them?
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's important to understand what you want out of your career.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: What are you what are we actually looking for?
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's more of a self-reflection thing because as much as I like doing technical sales and as much as Elaine likes running her own business, I think if it was split, we'd probably eat our jobs.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to really understand what you're looking for.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's the most important.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that's just more of a reflection of like understanding what your strengths are, what you enjoy, what makes you happy, and then balancing that all out.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think once you do that, then you can start to kind of figure out where things lie because it's not just about knowing what you want to do too, but also taking things out that you know you don't want to do.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know I didn't want to do research forever.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: I knew I didn't want to do that.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: I knew I didn't want to go into manufacturing.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I knew I didn't want to be like in like supply chain or at the time, I maybe in the future I will, but I didn't know I didn't want to be like a big bot pot shot CEO.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, I knew I wanted so eventually just narrowed down to what I knew I wanted to do.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then I just once I figured that out, then I just went for it.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: You make it seem so easy.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to share that for those, like, oh, that's so easy, right?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, but it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think you know, I just want to share.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: We live in a society, right, where it's easy to distract ourselves, whether it's with alcohol, drugs, even scrolling through your phone is a distraction, or even being distracted and addicted to like working out or putting it out.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: But what's important is the the pausing, the asking yourself these deep questions and seeing other people that may have created that transition, even if it's not the exact lens.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's what happened for you getting the support and then just starting to have a conversation with others.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: And then I want to share.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like I said earlier, we are at a our parents' home, and then not only has Daryl doubled a seller, but you also got your company to get you a car.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's part of the deal.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, like asking for what asking for where is there because what's the worst that's gonna happen if you ask for what you want?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you're just gonna say no.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's fine.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: They can say no.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing wrong with the no, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't go for the yes at some point, you know.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I say if if you got the no right now, that just means no right now.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that just means no right now.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: That just means no now.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't mean no later.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's not no indefinitely.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: You just gotta keep you gotta you just gotta keep grinding, you know, knowing and then knowing when when to ask certain things, you know.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Well, also let's talk about that too, because I think what we've learned, right?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Our parents worked so hard on us, first generation immigrants, we didn't just work hard to work smarter.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, how did you start creating boundaries around your work?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Really bad about that.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not the best person to ask, and he needs to advise that's also kind of the self-reflection.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: So, well, the way I like to think of it is like if I feel really motivated to do work, you know what?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna go do it.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: But also, if I'm not feeling motivated, you know, if if I'm feeling a bit of a lull, it feels like I'm treading through mud or water or something, and it's really hard against the river, then I might take a little bit of a break.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: I might go to the gym, I might go out social media.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he just said that because he was working in one room, I was working in another room.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: I took a break because I was I I did a bunch of reports, I was following up, and it was like it was getting exhausting, nestly.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, you know what?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: I need to go to the gym, and that's again, that's more self-awareness.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, it doesn't mean I wasn't keeping an eye on things just in case fires happen, but I definitely have gotten better about recognizing when I need to take time off, even if it's during work hours, but I also spend a lot of time working off hours too.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like this past Friday, I was working, I was sending out reports like at nine.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was funny, I was sending a report like at 8 or 9 p.m.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: or something.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then my boss like emailed me and told me, Daryl, it's 9 p p.m.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: on a Friday.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: You could take time off, which was like he was right, I could take time off, but I was writing that wave of motivation where I was like, I I really wanted to keep working because I really love what I'm doing.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I was writing it, but then at a certain point, I it or it just felt like I was slowing down.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't feel as motivated.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, you know what?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Now's a good time to take a break.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: So close the laptop up, and then I didn't open it back up until until Monday morning, too.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I kept an eye on my phone on the emails and stuff just in case, but over overall, it's just balancing things out.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think what I'm also hearing is that you have a great boss and mentor who like who calls you out when you need to create those boundaries and honors like your mental and emotional well-being.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, Daryl, you are my baby brother, as I mentioned.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: Allegedly, I guess.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, allegedly DNA test is still pending.
• 29:00
  unknown: I know.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I know I have given you some support when it's been to your career and other personal stuff, but we're talking about professionally, you know.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's cool.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you can give, like, you know, your honest feedback for there's folks listening here that may be interested in wanting to work with me.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you've known me your whole life.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, sure what people should expect.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the thing.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: I work in sales, obviously.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: We've talked about it constantly.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the one thing that I've always I think I've learned, and that you've learned, and that our parents aren't just like we care about what we do.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: I care about what I do.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Elaine cares about what she does, our parents care about what they do.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I I don't think there's anyone that's gonna care as much as Elaine will about making sure that you guys achieve whatever goal that you're setting yourselves for.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And she's trying to touch me, but trying to give him a kiss.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, that's probably the most important thing.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I try to differentiate myself in my career when I talk to my clients.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Is that everyone can offer you whatever you want, but is there gonna be someone that's gonna call you like at 6, 7 p.m.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: and just talk to you, make sure that everything's taken care of?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because I know my sister will do that, and I don't think a lot of people will because all they a lot of other people care about other things, and you want to get an eight to five and then leave.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's not how we are because we're entrepreneurs, you know, we're all entrepreneurs, we want to be the best.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: She my sister wants to be the best, but she also cares a lot, and and to me, that's the most important thing.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're not gonna go personal, but even Gerald has called me out for me caring way too much.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, yeah, where she's like, You're late, I mean, stop working, stop working or stop.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to take care of everybody, you don't have to do this.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, it's fascinating because I know you have not listened to one of my podcast episodes.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, of course he hasn't because he's my little brother.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: But he will listen to this one's like, oh man, he's gonna be so coffee about it, so good.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: But because you haven't listened to any of my podcast episodes, I do talk about them a lot.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like you want to be really rare at your job, one care about your client.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then two, actually get them the results they deserve.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Care and results because sounds so simple because a lot of things are smoky, flashy, like that doesn't all matter.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, it doesn't.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: And people are smart enough to notice when you care and when you don't.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: And communication isn't just like verbal, you know, they can hear it in the tone of the voice, they can see it in the details when you send reports out or like summarizing whatever information they need to them.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you make it as easy as possible for your clients or customers, then of course they're gonna come back because that means they have to spend less time trying to work and trying to track you down or doing anything really.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then if someone cares, then I mean, like, if you care, why wouldn't I want to do business with you?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: If you care, Daryl, where's my oat milk latte?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, where's mine?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I introduced you to it.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't by the way.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can tell.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't actually want you to message me.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Either email me or message me on Instagram, but I joke around Daryl and he hates it when I say this.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you're like a boy version of me, right?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like you were essentially the same.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, it's not true.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's so true.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Except like he's he's the guy tatada.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: Guy tatada.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're getting tattoos.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna be at family tattoos next.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'll get you one, I'll get you one of the sleep right here, right here.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, forearm, forearm.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we are we we need to go up focus, Daryl, focus, focus.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Focusing.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to ask you two final questions.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: One, what is one action item you want to give to our audience for those that are considering going to transition into a different career?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: One, I would say make a list of people that you communicate with and then figure out from there are they a positive, neutral, or negative influence in your life?
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: I would I would say that that would be a good start.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not professional, just not professional, but also personal as well.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: He is such he's a former chemist.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell positive, negative, or neutral?
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: What a nerd.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: But it's uh I think because it's like what I said, you first you want to if you want to be successful, you need to surround yourself with people that are successful.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to fail, then you surround yourself with people that also fail.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: So uh, right?
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, positive thing.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna put a little warning from for this next question.
• 33:35
  unknown: Okay.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's personal.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's kind of personal.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm gonna do it.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm your sister.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, fine.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying it.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Just say it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Say it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, our grandma means so much to us.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Our mom.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: She sacrificed so much, and also our other grandma and nano, who's not doing so well, and our parents, all the generations before them.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: What would you want to tell all of them?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: All the generations before them, for where you and I, our other brother married, and all the generations.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you want to tell all the generations two things?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, thank you for everything that you guys put together because all of them always were trying to work for the future generation.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're always working for their kids or their grandkids, you know, my parents, our grandparents, great-grandparents, things like that.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, first of all, thank you for giving us a platform to be successful.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then two, is I'm gonna take that platform and I'm gonna raise it so high up, you will be so impressed by what you guys accomplished.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, those would probably be the two things I'd want to say to them.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, raise the roof, yeah.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna blow the top off the roof.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I want to do.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, but that's like what millennials say, raise the roof, Gen Z doesn't.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: That was the 2000s, like like uh like Usher or something generation.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was in like middle school.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're in high school, though.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're in high school, I was like in middle school at that time.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Class of oh five.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: You're living in the past.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm remember what we talked about about living in the past.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm gonna five therapists uh funny.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Also, also final.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: I love you, baby Brandon.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, say it say that, say back before I stop record.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: I love juice.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you have it from the card of siblings.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Daryl, you could say it.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: I have one more try.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: I love you.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: Good job.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't my brother a bully?
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was crying for most of that interview, but I was like a proud Ade for those of you that are not Filipino.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ate means older sister to Galo.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: And just to know that my baby brother was both mindful of the challenges we experienced as first gen immigrants, creating our dream life, to the privilege we have now to accomplish our dreams because of all the generations before us who sacrificed so much.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: And as my brother said, and I'm sure you can relate, we're here to raise the roof.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, how millennial of us, right?
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're here to raise the roof to color our dreams.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: See what I did there?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, this podcast is called Color Your Dreams.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I hope you get it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm funny.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Watch out, Joe Coi.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, if you're wanting to change your career or you're not feeling aligned with where you're at and need support, you want to see how it looks like to work with me, to work with a career coach.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to invite you to schedule a complimentary 30-minute legacy career review call where we will one, identify your personal and career goals and to review your current life and personal goals and make sure that your career matches that, not the other way around.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: Then you'll get three action items to start going towards your personal and career goals.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: So to get a 30-minute career review call that is completely complimentary, go to ElaineLou.com forward slash call.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Legacy Maker, if you love this call your dreams episode, we would love it if you can leave a rating and review on Apple.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_01: So more women of color and allies can benefit too.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: And if you have one or two friends that would get so much from this particular episode, please share.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: The intention behind the Colour Your Dreams podcast was to contribute and give back to our people.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right.