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Jason Goff on Victor Wembanyama's MVP Push, NBA's 65-Game rule, Jay-Z's disappointing interview | 03.26 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. A wave original.
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  Speaker 1: a hater. We're hanging out with Jason Goff on a Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Check him out at the Athletic.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, man. How you doing?
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  Speaker 4: I'm always glad to be on the show. And also,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I listen and I text you about things.
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  Speaker 4: Great stuff with Bob Costas, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm really happy that there's someone repping for this weird
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  Speaker 4: age group of NBA fans that we're in where it's
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  Speaker 4: like you can Jordan Stan if you want, but you're
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  Speaker 4: also close to the LeBron Stan.
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  Speaker 3: So like you're in that middle. And how, like, amazing
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  Speaker 3: that time was.
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  Speaker 4: And also, like, a time where you could root for
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  Speaker 4: players that you knew never going to win a championship.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it was okay.
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  Speaker 2: It was okay to have your guy.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Mitch Richmond was cool. You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: Now it's like James Harden.
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  Speaker 3: His whole career is a failure.
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  Speaker 4: Like, he scored 36 points a game one season.
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  Speaker 1: Dominique Wilkins never got past the second round.
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  Speaker 2: Still be shutting down tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: My favorite non-bull player of all time, Dominique.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, man. It was cool back then. I think
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  Speaker 3: some of it is coming back now with.
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  Speaker 4: These kids and, you know, the streamers and the little
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  Speaker 4: mellow balls of the world, like this new wave of
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  Speaker 4: how people are consuming. But I appreciate it because listening
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  Speaker 4: to Bob talk about it, I'm like, yeah, I remember
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  Speaker 4: Peter Vesey was like, he was like a villain with
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  Speaker 4: a pen. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: It was super dope back then.
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  Speaker 2: You just hit on a thought, right?
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  Speaker 1: That is interesting because it's a thin line between a
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  Speaker 1: loser and somebody who never won.
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 2: I have never thought of Dominique Wilkins as a loser.
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  Speaker 1: I could see the argument one could make about James Harden.
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  Speaker 1: I will not call him a loser because if he
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  Speaker 1: wanted to shoot me for that, like, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: he would be right, but I wouldn't be surprised, right?
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to recall him a loser.
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  Speaker 1: However, I have seen him be the cause of some
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  Speaker 1: losses in some very significant places.
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  Speaker 2: In dramatic fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's a whole rack of guys, a wave
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  Speaker 1: of guys, that for whatever reason, like, nobody's like, man,
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  Speaker 1: that George Girvin. I guess they won in the ABA,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody's like, yeah, that George Girvin. That guy never
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  Speaker 1: won an NBA championship. I do wonder what we would
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  Speaker 1: have said about Dr. J if 1983 had.
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  Speaker 2: Not happened, right?
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  Speaker 1: But how many guys we got right now that... are
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  Speaker 1: of that tier and just, I mean, I think there's
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  Speaker 1: two lines. There's playing for a championship and just about
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  Speaker 1: every great player has played for a championship. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the greatest knock against Dominique is that all the great
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  Speaker 1: ones at least got to the finals, right? James Harden
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  Speaker 1: has never been to the finals. Like who are the
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  Speaker 1: guys that have never been to the finals? That list
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  Speaker 1: is not long.
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  Speaker 3: That, yeah, yeah, and, well, you know, we do the
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  Speaker 3: Barkley thing, but because he's been... Barkley got to the finals.
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  Speaker 3: He got to the finals with Phoenix, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: See, I....
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  Speaker 5: The post-Jordan world that we live in and what it
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  Speaker 5: did to load management, what it did to contracts, what
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  Speaker 5: it's done to legacies and how we talk about them, like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and also the Kobe, you know, factor as.
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  Speaker 4: Well, where it's like, if you didn't win anything or
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  Speaker 4: if you didn't win this many, you won't be respected.
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  Speaker 4: And then you get the guys who go to the
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  Speaker 4: one and win it or go to two.
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  Speaker 3: And win one. Like, for instance... Anthony Edwards in this
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  Speaker 3: mold that he's in now. Fantastic. Terrific player.
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  Speaker 4: There's something happening in San Antonio that's about to take
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  Speaker 4: off while the Minnesota thing is staying where it is
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  Speaker 4: in a good way, but not championship feelings.
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  Speaker 3: If Anthony Edwards goes a decade and don't make it
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  Speaker 3: to one.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: What are we going to say? Anthony wasn't cold?
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  Speaker 2: Hey, man.
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  Speaker 1: And look, Anthony Edwards got to where he got one
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  Speaker 1: year with Carl Anthony Towns as his right-hand man. And
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  Speaker 1: the next year with Julius Randle as the right-hand man.
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  Speaker 1: Two guys who were traded for one another. Specifically, I believe,
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  Speaker 1: because each team thought they couldn't win with the one
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  Speaker 1: they had.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And they went and they probably talked them dudes
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  Speaker 2: up in the trade. Oh, man, it's just a salary thing.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Like, we got to stay out of the tax. You're
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  Speaker 2: getting a great one here, man. I promise you. you
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  Speaker 2: know they they.
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  Speaker 1: Talked about that shit when they made that move but
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  Speaker 1: anthony edwards getting to he is the legend killer right
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  Speaker 1: like he went through and he knocked down name all
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  Speaker 1: the guys that he went through in order to get
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  Speaker 1: there all his heroes in order to get to that
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  Speaker 1: conference final and now victor who's out here making the
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  Speaker 1: why i'm the mvp case that is pretty compelling um.
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  Speaker 2: They've never won a playoff series before.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way that one could truly reasonably say that
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  Speaker 1: they believe the Spurs are going to win a championship
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  Speaker 1: because that is the most unprecedented thing we've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: The closest thing that I could point to to that
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  Speaker 1: is the Boston Celtics in 2008, where that was the
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  Speaker 1: first year of that team.
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  Speaker 2: But it was old dudes. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like it was dudes with some miles on them, with
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  Speaker 1: some experience, built around three guys in their 30s. That's
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  Speaker 1: not what we're talking about here in San Antonio, but
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  Speaker 1: the Celtics didn't have anybody that was eight feet tall.
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  Speaker 6: Now, so the issue I might have is did that
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  Speaker 6: Celtics squad, like Kevin fell on his face? Ray did
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  Speaker 6: what he had to do in Seattle and didn't go
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  Speaker 6: as far as he wanted to with Rashard Lewis.
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  Speaker 3: And Paul was with.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there was a time where Paul was with
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  Speaker 4: Antoine Walker and we were like, man, these two dudes
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  Speaker 4: are cold, but they're not winning enough.
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  Speaker 3: So they all went through this.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've been to a conference final?
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. So they went through their struggles separately
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  Speaker 3: and got thrown together. Like, we.
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  Speaker 4: That NBA lore of, like, you gotta fall down before
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  Speaker 4: you win the championship. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Mike did it, right? Detroit.
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  Speaker 4: People talk about Mike like there wasn't Game 5 in
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  Speaker 4: 89 or 80. I think it was 88 where it
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  Speaker 4: was like, that's not the way you want to go out, right?
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  Speaker 4: Victor is sitting back like, first of all, it seems
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  Speaker 4: like so long ago that we were talking about people
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  Speaker 4: on his team don't know he's the best player.
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  Speaker 3: And that was his first year. Yeah, they are.
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  Speaker 2: Stay all out of there.
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  Speaker 3: They figured it out. They figured it out, right?
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  Speaker 4: And now, Stephon Caswell, he's popping up like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: this dude is a lot better than he had ever
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  Speaker 4: shown at UConn, and he was the number two, what,
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  Speaker 4: number two pick, if I'm not mistaken, right?
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, man, I.
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  Speaker 4: Don't know how to view this going forward, especially with the...
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  Speaker 4: The glut of young NBA talent and now the old
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  Speaker 4: heads who were like, all right, now Luka's got to
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  Speaker 4: go to another one. Shea Gildress Alexander is now a
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  Speaker 4: prime veteran with a bunch of young dudes around him
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  Speaker 4: who's already been to one and won one. This is
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  Speaker 4: uncharted territory for the youth that is about to just
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  Speaker 4: take over and also the young, I say the prime
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  Speaker 4: veterans who still need.
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  Speaker 3: To win one, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Victor is.
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  Speaker 2: Born superstars are rare.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I don't just mean superstar in the sense of
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  Speaker 1: how good a player is. I mean in terms of
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  Speaker 1: grasping and appreciation of the magnitude of everything that goes
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  Speaker 1: into being you, right? Not just, I'm going to dominate
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  Speaker 1: on the floor, getting a little fan section going and
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  Speaker 1: all of that stuff, right? Showing up at the all-star
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  Speaker 1: game and making everybody play hard because you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to get your shit tossed by this.
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  Speaker 2: Eight foot tall monster, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like completely changing the everything around everything that he touches.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He is a, he understands what it, what it means
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  Speaker 1: to be a superstar in this league. He's that guy.
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  Speaker 1: He made that call and he's, he enjoys defeating people.
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  Speaker 2: Like he, and he enjoys it.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Like, like beating people is what he's in this for. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and he wants this MVP. Like, this is interesting. He,
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  Speaker 1: is he the MVP? I don't know if statistically you
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  Speaker 1: can make the argument, right? He's going to make it
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  Speaker 1: to the 65 game mark if he plays eight more
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  Speaker 1: games and they have 10 left.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that he's going to get out there.
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  Speaker 1: They are the two seed in the West, which none
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  Speaker 1: of us thought that they were going to be in
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  Speaker 1: a season where it looked at a point like Oklahoma
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  Speaker 1: City was going with 75 games, except for the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Spurs went out there and tossed him three times.
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  Speaker 2: In a row, right?
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  Speaker 1: He's the story for this postseason. The West is looking incredible,
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  Speaker 1: but he's the thing to look at.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: I'll never forget having an argument on air with Rodney
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  Speaker 4: Harrison during the Cam Newton MVP run that season where
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, man, for me, There's simple metrics, there's
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  Speaker 4: the advanced stuff.
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  Speaker 3: But sometimes you just gotta ask, who is this season about?
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  Speaker 3: Who is this season about?
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  Speaker 4: And the slow burn that has been this Victor Wynn-Binyama season,
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  Speaker 4: where it's been fantastic things damn near every.
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  Speaker 3: Night, but it's like, oh yeah, he did another fantastic, like,
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  Speaker 3: we're getting used to it.
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  Speaker 4: In a way where, you know, prime Giannis, like early
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  Speaker 4: prime Giannis, who's like, this dude putting up Shaq numbers
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  Speaker 4: and he running fast breaks and all. Man, that 80-foot
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  Speaker 4: pass that he caught with one hand, slung it to
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  Speaker 4: De'Aaron Fox in the corner... Pocket pass, De'Aaron Fox catches
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  Speaker 4: the ball and De'Aaron's like, no, no, no, you eight
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  Speaker 4: feet and your second jump is as quick as any
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  Speaker 4: wing in this league. I'm just going to throw it
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  Speaker 4: back up there as soon as you come down.
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  Speaker 3: Like the shit that he is doing, bro.
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  Speaker 4: When I heard LeBron was coming from Sonny Vaccaro on
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  Speaker 4: a telephone call where he was like, I got the
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  Speaker 4: greatest player of all time in my camp. That's the
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  Speaker 4: way I felt when I'm like, all right, the Victor
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  Speaker 4: Wimpinyama thing is coming. And then you start checking it out.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. This ain't
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  Speaker 3: just happening against cats who, like, smoke cigarettes. Like, you
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  Speaker 3: know that old European, like, stuff we throw on? No,
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  Speaker 3: this is coming.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact that it's landed and he's doing this,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, with minute restrictions in the beginning, and
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  Speaker 4: now the target is squarely on his back. LeBron's saying
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  Speaker 4: in the All-Star game, and everybody can read the language
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  Speaker 4: because this is how these dudes feel.
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  Speaker 3: Is fuck Wimby. He ain't making us play hard. No,
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  Speaker 3: everyone feels that way and you still can't do nothing
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say it is though.
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  Speaker 1: Where everybody lands in the standings is going to be
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  Speaker 1: interesting because the Lakers... are playing themselves into the three
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  Speaker 1: they're a game and a half ahead of Denver where
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  Speaker 1: to me it gets interesting with the Spurs is if
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  Speaker 1: the Nuggets wind up in that three get to the
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  Speaker 1: second round and now Victor's got to deal with the
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  Speaker 1: guy I still say is the best player in the
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  Speaker 1: NBA is Jokic I don't know how like that it
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  Speaker 1: will be very interesting because I don't feel like we've
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  Speaker 1: seen them play against each other a lot if I'm
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  Speaker 1: not mistaken like it feels like i think it's i
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  Speaker 1: think it's the nuggets that yogesh don't play them games
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  Speaker 1: and i think it's just because they try to hold
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  Speaker 1: it out right like they're not trying to give that
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  Speaker 1: monster any ability to adjust and to figure out what
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  Speaker 1: to do like this is this is it but i
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  Speaker 1: i brought him up in part because i'm seeing people
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  Speaker 1: talk about the 65 game limit on um Whether you
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  Speaker 1: can win MVP or make all the NBA or win
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  Speaker 1: the awards.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so funny.
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  Speaker 1: Because I swear I was here when they put the
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  Speaker 1: rule in and I did not hear all this complaint.
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  Speaker 3: So I hated it immediately.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But right fast. You know I'm right about not saying... No,
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  Speaker 2: not the complainant.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the complainers, all of a sudden now everybody
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  Speaker 1: hated it. I believe that you did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so....
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  Speaker 4: Too many people try to make basketball what they knew
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  Speaker 4: it to be.
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  Speaker 3: And there's a game that evolved.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think any game has evolved past the limits
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  Speaker 4: or the definitions of what it used to be, more
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  Speaker 4: so than basketball, right? Football can change rules every single year,
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  Speaker 4: and it don't matter because it's football. And we're going
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: to find a way to figure it out, kick off rules, this, that,
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  Speaker 4: and the other. Like, you know, I remember when there
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: wasn't a halo on punt returns, right? Like, things change
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  Speaker 4: because the evolution of the game is accepted.
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  Speaker 3: With what's happening now.
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  Speaker 4: All the space and pace stuff, all the, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you got dribble handoffs happening 45 feet away from the
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  Speaker 4: basket to make the best athletes in the world go
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  Speaker 4: downhill at crazy speeds. When the game says, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: these cats are breaking down, one, because they're playing more
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  Speaker 4: basketball than ever, two, because Posey Jordan, nothing but a
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  Speaker 4: championship matters, and we're paying these dudes exorbitant amounts of
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  Speaker 4: money so the regular season has been, you know, kind
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  Speaker 4: of brought down.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of notches.
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  Speaker 4: This 65-game stuff, immediately, I was like, all right, one,
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  Speaker 4: you're either going to have cats playing games they shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be playing, Or, getting back to the MVP conversation.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to lose the journal of the season, the
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  Speaker 3: story of the season.
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  Speaker 4: You ain't telling me Cade Cunningham, if he missed, if
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  Speaker 4: he only played 62, 63 games, he wasn't one of
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: the best three guards for these all-NBA teams, first.
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  Speaker 3: And third teams?
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  Speaker 1: But, but, but, we know this was never about that logic.
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  Speaker 1: We know what basically happened. The people on the internet
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  Speaker 1: basically accuse these dudes of faking injuries, right?
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  Speaker 3: Or being lazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just the general idea of load management, right?
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  Speaker 1: But the idea was these guys are healthy enough to
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  Speaker 1: play and they're not playing. Therefore, we need to find
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: a way to induce this effort, right? Because effort is
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: not an observable variable, right? You have to induce it.
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  Speaker 1: So how are we going to induce this? We're going
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  Speaker 1: to induce it by putting these restrictions on these awards,
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  Speaker 1: but not because of the awards, because of the money
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  Speaker 1: that was associated with the awards in terms of awarding
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Supermax contracts, right?
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  Speaker 2: That was the reason they did it.
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  Speaker 1: And now what they found out is, nah, man, these
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  Speaker 1: dudes really be hurt, man. Like, And maybe it's some
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: quirky stuff, like a collapsed love for Cade Cunningham.
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  Speaker 2: That is not an overuse issue, right? That's not why
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  Speaker 2: we're here.
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  Speaker 1: But people wanted the guys to play more games. And
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  Speaker 1: the NBA made a decision that, to me, was about
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  Speaker 1: winning a press conference, and telling the fans, we want
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  Speaker 1: these guys to play more games too, and don't you worry,
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  Speaker 1: we're getting on the case, because people wanted them to
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: get on the case. Then they got on the case,
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  Speaker 1: and now people are like.
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  Speaker 2: Man, we ain't even want that.
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  Speaker 3: Man, what is this?
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  Speaker 2: This is stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Now, to me, where it's interesting is that for the MVP,
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  Speaker 1: this was always going to enforce itself. there's only been
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  Speaker 1: one MVP in an 82-game season who played fewer than
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  Speaker 1: 65 games. Like, this is not an award that we
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  Speaker 1: give people who don't play games. And the only one
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  Speaker 1: that was, by the way, was Bill Walton in 78
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  Speaker 1: coming off the championship when the players still voted, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, and the players were clearly sick.
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  Speaker 2: Of voting for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Like, that's where that came from.
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  Speaker 2: And he played 58 games that season. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: 58 games in the course of that season.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: That's the only time it had ever happened.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: This was about all NBA team and defensive player of
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the year to try to hold up cats money, right?
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: That's all it was.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: But then they wind up in a year where all
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the best players is missing a gang of games. Now,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: my question is, if we didn't have this 65 game
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: thing in there, it was a throwing out there. Would
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: we give the MVP to somebody who only plays 60 games?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Like, will we do it? I have a hard time
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: seeing that happen.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Again, you got to be the story of
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: the season.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Like, even with Jokic, the voter fatigue and all those
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: things fly in there as well.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: The money aspect really sucks, right?
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: It wasn't a Klay Thompson who missed an all-NBA vote
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: because one reporter voted some other way and he missed
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: the Supermax contract. When you start messing with dudes' money,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: then we're talking a different... A different ball of wax.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: I just don't know how you fix it, man. I
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: don't know how you fix it. I don't know what
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: you can do. I don't know the restrictions and parameters
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: you can place on basketball outside of your league, because
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: like I said, there are people here in this city
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: that knew how much basketball Derrick Rose was playing right
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: as a young kid.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: And, and, and how much, you know, not just AAU stuff,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: but just how much ball he was playing, even though
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: he wasn't playing pickup ball at 505, he was out here,
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: you know, and he was, he was wrapped up. He was,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: he had all the arm sleeves and all the knee
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: sleeves before he.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Even got to Memphis.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So I don't know what it is you can do
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: for the, the, the greater basketball story and, and, and,
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: and the observer feeling more fulfilled. And on top of it, man, like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: The NBA MVP is still an MVP that means something.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Yes. Baseball, obviously. Football, cool, but there's years where the
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: MVP has been like, oh, yeah, that guy won MVP,
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: and it hasn't been the story of the season.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Only Hall of Famers win MVPs.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: The only MVP that is probably not going to make
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame is Derrick Rose.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Literally, every other one. You win a scoring championship in
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the NBA, you're going to the Hall of Fame. They're
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: all in, too.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Like, this is, yeah, there is no Brian Sipe on
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the list of NBA Hall of Famers.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: There's no Terry Pendleton on the list of NBA Hall
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: of Famers.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's not, that's not how, NBA MVPs, I mean,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that's not how it works.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and now with this next wave of dudes, the
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: whole Wimby thing and everybody in sports should be keeping
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: their fingers crossed.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Obviously, hell, you see a man that big, the.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: First thing you think about is the feats, right?
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: You go back to Sam Bui, you go back to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Rouse Bams, and you go back to Bill Walton, right?
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: Joel Embiid.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: First thing you think of a man over 7'1, 7'2,
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: is hopefully the lower extremities hold.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Up, right?
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: And he's spindly as it is, but it's not like
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: he's always in the paint, not like the paint.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Is what it used to be in terms of physical contact.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: But yeah, man, I can't see myself thinking in the future,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: especially how normalized missing games have become. I can't see
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: myself thinking, ah, you know, Wimby only got two MVPs
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: because of that damn 65.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Game rule.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: So he really isn't one of the greats. Like all
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: of our lenses are changing in real time.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: And I think we're in.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: This crossroads of like, how will history talk about this
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: time of basketball where You know, and also, let's face it,
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: there are more people who play the game that are
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: talking about the game than ever.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Than ever. Like, our orators used to be reporters. It
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: used to be big voice guys and girls out there
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: who talked about the game.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Now, it's dudes who are actually in the game who,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: after they get out five years later, seven years later,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: tell you, hey, man, I was mailing it in at
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: the last half of that season.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Boy, I was bad this, that, and the other. So
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: there's this.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: There's this breaking down of the fourth wall that I
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: think a lot of fans are privy to that, that
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: detracts or takes away from.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Some of the lore that we kind of grew up
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: with thinking like, all right, cool. Like the 82 game
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: seasons that, that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Jordan played in a row where he played all the games,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: all the playoff games, all these other things. And then we, we,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: we look back and like, all right, but guys had 15,
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: 14 year runs and now 17 to 20 year careers
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: on like unrealistically the norm for stars.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: But brother, here's the thing.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Again, that assumes that the point of this is about
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: making people worthy of the awards. And that's not it. Look,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you can trust the voters to get it right. You
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? If the voters are there, they
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: clearly have figured out on their own. Even Joel Embiid,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: he won the MVP.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: 66 games.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Although I think, if I'm not mistaken, the rule was
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: in place. But see, that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Is one of those that gets you into the idea that, well,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: maybe we're going to be able to drag some people
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: out here and get them to play.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: But no, they're going to be interested.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Got Joe rocking out there like Willis Reed.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Slap that table, get in. Get your
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: ass back out of here.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Sub me out. Sub me out. Yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, we're going to talk about this interview
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: We are back with Jason golf. Um, so I checked
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: out the Jay-Z interview, at least much of it. I
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: felt like it was very long and he, he did
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: not say very much in the course of, Of that interview, Joel,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: my good buddy Joel, Joel had the best line about it,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: which was, take the 500,000. And for those of you
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: who don't know, there's a long running meme, what would
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you rather have? insert dollar amount, we'll call it $ 500, 000 here,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: $ 500, 000 or dinner with Jay-Z. And the idea is that
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: all that game that Jay-Z would give you over the
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: course of dinner would be worth more.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Than $ 500, 000. And Joel is like, no, after I.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Read that interview, You just need to take $ 500, 000.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Before I read that interview. You kidding me?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, we knew it before, but it was definitely
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: solidified after.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: Reading that interview. You talking about stands? You talking about stands? Listen,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: I am a home stand that... I'm in this realm
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: now of, like, as a LeBron fan, too, where it's like, hey, man,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: you got it. Like, all right, cool. You did it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: You did it, player. Like, you got as much. Hey,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: you're a millionaire. Two times over. Like, I get it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: You cold. Hey, thanks for the vulnerable album, you know, 444,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: the tough listen.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I'm with you, fam. The 17 minute God did verse.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: You still cold. You know, you can still wrap your
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: ass up. I sat there and I was like, hey,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: what am I going to get from it? And I
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: saw the video as well. And I'm like, oh, he
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: he just hit you with the parables. He hit you
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: with the parables. He hit you with the and the
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: best thing. He hit you with the usual suspects again,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: whereas like I'm going to talk about the system.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: And then be the system at the same.
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: Time the amazing thing about Jay-Z is he is very
• 25:20
  Speaker 9: invested in the building of the myth of Jay-Z he
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: is not the only person in such a position though
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: he has access to tools in order to do so
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: right now I want to be fair to all parties
• 25:29
  Speaker 9: involved that if that interview ever had the chance of
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: being tough it was never going to take place and
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: for those who don't know It's 30 years since Jay-Z's
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: first album, Reasonable Doubt.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: It's 25 years since his other.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: The two albums that people generally speak of as the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: two best Jay-Z albums are Reasonable Doubt and The Blueprint.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Blueprint came out in 2001.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: He's doing....
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: A couple of concerts at Yankee Stadium around this. Apparently
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: now he's added a third one. He's going to the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Roots picnic. Like this is a year of Jay-Z. And
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Jay-Z is selling something else, right?
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Like if there's an album that's coming with it, presumably
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that's going to happen. But the reason I'm not so
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: sure about that, or it doesn't, I don't think these
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: are vehicles to sell an album.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I think these are vehicles to sell the legend of Jay-Z.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Right because i don't think there's not that much money
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: in making music anymore he doesn't need an album to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: do the tour or to do a tour or to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: do these concerts he's got these other things he is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: about building the idea or the notion um of jay-z
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and people want to feel like one of us got
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to the top and that jay-z is an example of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: that right But I saw Jay-Z say in this interview
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that he got to where he was. It was him
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: pushing back on the idea that billionaires are inherently bad.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: An idea that he doesn't understand, but we'll get to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that in a minute, right? But he had the gall
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: to say the words, I didn't get here by taking
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: advantage of people. And I'm like, you sold crack.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: To your mother. You told me that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Like 444 was the vulnerable album. Absolutely, right?
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: But he makes the point in there that, or he
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: made a point in the interview I thought was interesting.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: He was like, well, I talk about when.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I take losses. I have songs like Regrets and You
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Must Love Me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: No, You Must Love Me is entirely about how terrible
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you were and you still keep winning with the people
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to whom you were terrible.
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: Didn't he shoot a family member in You Must Love Me?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It ran into the night as if it was not
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: his family. That was what he said. Regrets.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: The whole point of regrets is, hey, baby, if you
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: try to win, got to do some shit.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, that's what it is. But I'm just like, you're right.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: He is the system.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Like his goal was clearly to become part of this
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: system because there is no countercultural billionaire.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: No. No.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: So throughout like when the Colin Kaepernick thing was going
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: down and there was a there was a moment there
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: that it was reaching a boiling point because the NFL
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: had positioned JV as, OK, this will be our conduit.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: This will be our vessel to to help.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: People understand in the urban environments and, you know, black
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: folks and rap heads and hip hop lovers and anybody
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: of the culture that, hey, we are making our strides.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: There was a moment there where a lot of people
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: were like, you know what, this is where I get off.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: This is where we start talking about performances that have
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: time being more important than... Because the whole... What was
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: the statement? We don't have to kneel anymore or that
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: kind of vibe.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: We're beyond kneeling.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're beyond kneeling, right? And from that moment on, the.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: The.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: The underworld of Jay-Z hate started to rise to the
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: surface of like, hey, man, you can't just be the most,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: you know, ballin' this dude, have the greatest life and
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: tell us about it all these years, and then on
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: top of it be like, hey, time for y'all to
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: cut this shit out.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: It felt like the homie coming back to the block like, hey, man,
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: y'all still doing this bullshit out here, man? I tried
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: to get you into that real estate seminar two weeks
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: ago that I was throwing and you decided not to.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I guess you just love being broke I'll catch you
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: later and then you just see the smoke from the
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: exhaust from the bins like fly up in everybody's face
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: brother do you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Remember when he tried to get Marcy on the crypto Yes!
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: It wasn't enough that you used to sell them crack.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Now you want to sell them funny money?
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Funny money.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Right? Like, now you're trying to get them on the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: funny money? Like, this is.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: And I.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I love the music, right?
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I grew up around people who were in those kinds
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: of ventures, shall we say. I got reasonable doubt when
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: it came out as a kid because one of the
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: homies was like, yo, check this out.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: This is like a diary of what really goes down.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, this is outstanding.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: I thought I was like a niche fan club kind
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: of thing. And then volume one, he blows up. But man,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: to see where this thing is now, like all the
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Bob Marley likenesses and references and the Basquiat, the way
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: that he's being photographed these days. I love the fact
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: that he's gotten older and still doesn't give a shit
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: about what he doesn't have to give a shit about. Like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: that's what he's telling you in this interview. Like, hey,
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: you know what it is?
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: It's the last dance.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But he does still give a shit about what we
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: think of him, which he also doesn't have to think about.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: But he's very much concerned with it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: It's the last dance kind of vibe.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but so let me run something by you that
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: hit me the other day.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I saw one of the social media platforms.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Somebody had posted the video of him at the Unplugged
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: show in, I guess it was 03, doing, 02 or 03,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I can't remember which, but he's doing Takeover, right? And
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the roots, you know, putting all the beats, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: from the other cats or whatever. And I, it was
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the Che Guevara era where he's wearing the Che Guevara
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: t-shirt and then he gets on the Black Album and
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: he says, I'm Che Guevara with bling on, I'm complex.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And it's like, brother, and I mean this, Che Guevara
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: would murder you and tell everybody about it to prove
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: a point. Like, that's not what this is, right? And
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: so I bring that up to say, I don't think
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: he understands critiques of capitalism, right? And where it got
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: weird for Che in terms of how many people receive him,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: obviously not everybody, And I said this around during COVID.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's going to be really interesting to
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: see how we view him now that the idea of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: being super rich isn't as popular as it used to be.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And his whole brand is being apex predator capitalist.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: The most noble thing about Jay-Z has always been that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he was rich. That was the brand from 1996 on.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: He changed the game in rap as he was the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: first dude to come out zero to presenting as rich immediately.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody got to present as broke anymore, right? Like, Saul's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. You need to be rich right now.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: You need to have all them chains and shit right now.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: You couldn't talk about your cherry red Pathfinder like leaders
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: of the.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: New school did.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: No, no.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: He was like, yo, man, what is that?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: You got a 4.0? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You only
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: driving a $ 100, 000 truck.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: 4.0 wasn't good enough, right? Your base model Range Rover. Dude,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm over here. What are you talking about, right?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Like, that's the person that he gave, and that's the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: person that he presented. And so he doesn't know when
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: people started hitting back and were like, hey, man, you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the idea that anybody could ever have this much money
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: is actually quite problematic. He can't reconcile that. It's not
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the same people fully who praise you for being rich.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, man, you know, I thought being
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a capitalist was good in America. That's not the people
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: who's talking to you right now about this, but they
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: are the people.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: That you often claim that you speak for.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That are the ones that are like, hey, man, like
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: maybe you need to give some thought to where you stand,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you know, in this in this here class game.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe you need to consider that.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And so that's a shift that's happened, that it's clear
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he still can't. He's like, but I thought you loved
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's removed from it. and got all
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: this money yeah yeah yeah he's like no but nobody's
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: like i'm just doing the same thing that got me
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: on the cover of time magazine you know again but
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that's your argument about him being the system right he's
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: just like i did and you guys love me for
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: getting to all these places like what do you what
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: do you what are you talking about and now all
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of a sudden it's a problem and it's like oh
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you don't get the arguments at all you just think
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that people are hating on you Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: It's always resonated with him too, right? Because he, you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I put dollars on my ass Columbine. Like, you talk
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: about the nobility part.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: He... I won't say he presents it, but we.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Find out a lot of what he does behind the scenes.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Similar to Jordan. Similar to Jordan.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Where it's like, hey man, these people don't know what
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: I actually do outside of telling you how cold I am.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: It strikes a tone with him. It strikes a nerve
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: with him.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Even in this interview where he was talking about Drake
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: and Kendrick and he's like, people are trying to say
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: that I'm aligned against Drake.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: And he looks at the interviewer and says, I'm motherfucking Jay-Z.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: And that was the moment where it flipped from like
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: you know like sit back humbly stated terrifically outfitted you
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: know what I mean like Buddha like zen rap figure
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: to hey but I'm still the man on this block
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: like there's that dichotomy.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: But he seems to understand that he's a man on
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that block and on that other block he's just one
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of many rich people and the reason that I say
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: that is this clearly that money only means so much
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: in terms of power. Because if there were actual power
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: behind it, he wouldn't be so afraid of saying anything real.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like, he still clearly works to not offend. That's clearly
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: still on the board and in his thoughts when he
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: has things to say and to talk about. It's like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: he's not going to say anything that goes that far.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Because again, He's part of that machine.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: And so the interview, as far as an interview goes
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and it, look, that's a tough interview to do no
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: matter who you are.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Like that's Jay. Like you say, that's motherfucking Jay-Z.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: That's Jay-Z who's in front of you. It's clear that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the dude who did the interview was a big Jay-Z fan.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: So there was only going to be, but so much
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: pushback on him. And maybe one could make the argument
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: that sometimes you let somebody's words speak and express who
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: they are. And you don't even need to fully double
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: back on, right? Like, okay, Jay said these things, but
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I thought Jay came across as being a bit of
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: an empty vessel in that interview. And I don't think
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that's what he was going for. I think he thought,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: like you said, that he was going to hit him with.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Some of that wisdom. But I'm not an idealist. I'm
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: a realist.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I take the world as it is. That's some really disheartening,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: cynical shit right there.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Especially in these times.
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Like, especially in these times where people are scraping and scrounging,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: you know, health insurance ain't cheap.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Like, life ain't cheap.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Life is as expensive as it has been in God
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: knows how long. And also, but this is the thing, too.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: The audience, though, Bo, right? Like, there is a worldly.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Uh, affect to what JZ has experienced. But I think
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: the audience that has traveled with him has kind of
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: always expected him to be the motivational piece or the
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: tool or the inspiration and looked at him as such,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: where it's like, if you, if you listen to dead
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: prayers or if you listen to, to any, like back
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: in the day, listening to poor righteous teachers or X clan,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: all these things, like the audience that grows with you
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: is going to always.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: See you in that light.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: And, and, Maybe not ask anything else of you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: And then when you do hit him with a.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Spare nugget or a piece of what they would deem wisdom,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: it's like mind blowing. Whereas everybody else is like, all right,
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: we got that. But like, how do you feel about this? Like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I went back and watched the interview that he did
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: eight years ago with The Times, and he was talking
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: about what Donald Trump getting elected was. the positives of
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: that in terms of the discourse and the dialogue that
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: this country will have. And it blew my mind when
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: I was sitting there watching it with my wife, because
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: I'm like, man, I have long thought that anybody outside
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: of Black people who are like, no, we need this
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: discourse and dialogue. And I'm like, hey, man, if you
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: told Black people that all this shit would end today,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: if all we did was had to talk, then you
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: get screamed at because we've been talking. Everybody's just been
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: talking this whole time. Like, what's the actual actionable items
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: that can be.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Put in place? And that was the other thing, too.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: When he was in the room with Goodell, he mentioned
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: actionable items. Like, what's next? And it's kind of like
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: those things where.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: There's shootings in schools and people do the thoughts and
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: prayers and they go, we can't talk about these things.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: There are legislation pieces or... policies now because it would
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: be absurd and it would offend the victims.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: And let's not, let's not cover up these heinous.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Crimes with our, with our agendas. But it's like, if
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: we never get to it, then we never get to it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It feels like there is a, a, a, a portion
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: of rap fans and, and a, you know, people who
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: are our age who are like, all right, but when
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: are you going to get to what's happening now?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: And how are you going to get to it? Through
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: your music and through your art and through your words.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Like every interview is an album now, right?
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Every time you pop up with a content creator, that's
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: your latest single as opposed to music. So this is
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: the actual item. This is the time now where you
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: could be like, all right, eight years ago, I said that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Now this is what it's become of it. And this
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: is how I want to change it.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I think where I land ultimately, Hey, man, it's OK
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to just.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Be a rapper. 100 percent.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: And that's and that and I say that to us. Right.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Because one thing he does that I do think is interesting,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like when he had the Book of Hope exhibit at
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Museum, the key there is he could have
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: put that in any museum or like any gallery or
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, that type of stuff.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: But he wanted to put it in a place that's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: accessible to the people.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: These concerts at Yankee Stadium, for example. There's always like
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: an air.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: He puts an air of accessibility on like, I'm going
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: to hit you with this glimpse into the other side
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of life, but I'm going to make it to where
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you can always get a touch of it, right? Like
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: he's very good at giving the presentation of accessibility. But
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: to me, the thing is, it's okay if you're just
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: real good at rap.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Because I don't care about him being a very successful
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: businessman and being rich. Like that just doesn't.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Move you yeah that's not that that doesn't that i
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: don't know that's just that that's a very good for
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you sort of situation i just don't care that much
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: about that that does not inspire me that does not
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: motivate me i know it wasn't easy right but it
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't do those things okay cool you're that but our
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: need very often to make jay-z into something bigger than
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: just a rapper is how we wind up into these
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: other spaces because if all we do is evaluate him
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and the quality of his music it's a very interesting
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: discussion there's a lot of cool stuff that he's gotten
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: done and gotten across right he's done that anytime the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: moment it tries to go into something bigger it's like
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: yep no no no no no why don't you just.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Uh get back to rap but I want to wrap.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: It with that. Chris Roxley and his next door neighbor
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: is a dentist, right?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: He ain't create teeth.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, I don't need to talk to Ja Rule.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Where is Ja? It ain't an issue. I'm going to
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: make a transition now. There's no smooth way to do this,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: but I have something I want to run by you.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: It's a story I've been looking at in the news,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and I've been bothered by the story, and I want
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to tell you why I'm bothered. I'm curious whether you
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: feel similar things, and I'm sure that you've seen the story.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you got your hands on this one.
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a gentleman. He's accused of murder.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: He was in a car with three people and he
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was driving the car and he shot a guy in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the passenger seat. Now, the gentleman is a cornhole player.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: He is a professional cornhole player. And if you don't know,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: cornhole is where they take the beanbags and they throw
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: them into boards that's got the holes in them.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: It's bags, yeah.
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My brother's a big fan. They be
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: playing it over outside their apartment.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, the gentleman is a quadruple amputee.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: He does not have hands. He does not have, like,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: full legs. And he is the one that has been
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: accused of this murder. Um, and allegedly he, uh, he
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: asked the people after he shot the dude, he asked
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: the people in the backseat to help him dispose of
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the body.
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: And they said, no, they would not help him dispose
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: of the body.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And I watched this report on CBS news and it
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was very stern and they were very straight faced as
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: they was explaining what was going on. It was like,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: we have a case in wherever the hell it was.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: And they, They put on, they, they strained faces and
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: they said that he was a quadruple amputee and all
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: of these things. It took two minutes and then they
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: broke and then they went to another story. And it's
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: something that like my brother really conditioned me on this.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: And it's very important that I don't like is passive
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: aggressive behavior, right?
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: Like if you're going to do the thing, do the thing.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: These people know good and goddamn well why that story made.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the CBS news, okay? Everywhere that you've seen it, you
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: know good and well why that story is out here.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: This is not news I can use. This is not
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: information that is important to the world. There are many
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: murders that take place every day. This is only in
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the news because they know that you will hear this
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: story and you will find it uproarious. That is the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: only reason that this news has been presented to the world.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: But they don't present it as uproarious. No, because they
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: too classy. They too dignified, right? No, it's just the facts.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Joe Friday and his motherfucking telling you about how to
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: do with no hands is out here smoking people. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: by the way, don't even explain to you how exactly
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that's possible. Because I know that when you hear that story,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, wait, I don't really understand what you're saying.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: He was driving a car and he shot a person? Wait,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: how can that happen? They don't tell you none of that.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: And they had the ability to tell people this because
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Jason put me up on game and I didn't realize this.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: It was videos all over the internet of this dude.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Climbing trees and hunting and shooting people.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Climbing trees with a rifle.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Climbing trees with a rifle. They didn't put any of
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that on TV because that would have gave the game
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: away because they wouldn't have been able to make it
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: to the end of the shot because they would have
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: been busted out laughing right there on television if they
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: had done that. And I just think that's messed up
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: because they throw that out here to the rest of
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: us and they want us to talk about it.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And I ain't trained in the news like that. I
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: ain't got straight face practice. You understand what I'm saying?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: They think I'm supposed to come out here and talk
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: about this horrible tragedy that took place where a man
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: that don't got no hands shot somebody and then was like,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: somebody come help me with the body. After those people
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: said no, did he say, well, fuck it, I'll do
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: it myself?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's the news that I could use.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: If I'm trying to understand what happened with that story.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: But no, I'm supposed to put my money on the
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: line behind this. Y'all betrayed us, journalistically speaking, not giving
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: us the information that you had that we needed to
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: draw a full conclusion because you cowards are afraid of
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: spitting that real and telling the truth. And I got
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: to come out here and do it with a straight face.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I got to get out here and talk about this. Like,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know why this story is a story.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Jason Goff over there trying
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: to hold it together. You realize the position that you
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: put him in? Ryan, put yourself on the screen right now.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Right now. Look what they did.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Look what they're doing to y'all. Look what they're doing.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Bo did this, so hopefully you won't have to go
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: through this.
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: You feel me?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm keeping this in the road for everybody else, right?
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Because they put us here. They know this shit is hilarious.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: They know it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: And by the.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Way, it's not anybody's fault that it's hilarious. I was
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: given this world. I didn't make it to quote a
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: great rapper.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not an idealist.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: I'm a realist.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I take the world.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: As it is.
• 47:40
  Speaker 11: It'd be so dope if he had American gangster playing
• 47:42
  Speaker 11: in the tape deck. It'd be so dope. So this
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: is one of those things. First of all, this is
• 47:50
  Speaker 11: one of those things where, like, your news homies, like,
• 47:52
  Speaker 11: sports is the.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Toy department, right?
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: This is, like, one of those things where your news
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: homies just slide a little something to you, like, take
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: a look at that play and tell me what you
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: think I can do with this, right? That story, first
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: of all, I caught that story in the devil's lair,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: the devil's cauldron, which is the for you.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Tab on X, right?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: It's not like the for you tab for me is like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: you know, you go on by the old coffee shop
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: and you're like, oh, I have a little this, little this,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: little this. Don't tell nobody I had any of this.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: Let's keep it moving.
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: So it started to trickle out, right? The positioning, how
• 48:28
  Speaker 10: the guy was actually.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Thoughts and prayers to that person. Absolutely.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 48:33
  Speaker 10: But I immediately, when I read this, the headline, because
• 48:37
  Speaker 10: it said, quadruple amputee murder, right?
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: So I'm like... Headbutt is a hell of a way
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: to go, right? Like, immediately.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It was a fair point.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Duh. You know, come on, man. We grew up in
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: the 80s where you had to have an imagination as
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: a kid, right? Wasn't all these goddamn screens. We had
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: to fight.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: You say he out here playing Goldeneye.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And he ain't got no gat.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: None. Guess what's harder to my head? Nothing. Bang. You out.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: I thought that's how it went. Then I come to
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: find out he got folks in the backseat.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: In the backseat?
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: And I don't know how much of a gangster or
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: a punk you either got to be to look at
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: a quadruple amputee in the driver's seat and be like,
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: and see him murder someone and be like, I ain't
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: helping you with shit.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Do you know how capable this man is?
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Do you know if this man, you know, first of all,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: his name is Dewey, right? You know they call him
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: Dewdrop in the hood, right? So you know that Dewdrop,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: if he climbing trees with rifles, what make you think
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: he won't pull up in the most innocuous way and
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: knock you out?
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: This is his homie that he knocked off, too.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: That's the other thing. At first, I'm like, man, they
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: putting this on Dewdrop. Dewdrop was in the backseat.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: We'll hear how you know he was gangster.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: How he be like, yo, I'll drive.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: That's how you know he run things.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: There's the other thing. What if Doudrop is the DD? Right? Ah.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: And everybody a little soft up. Everybody kicking it. And
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Doudrop pull up mad. You know? Right? Obviously. Y'all done
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: kicked it. What's going on? Everybody get in the car.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: One guy talk. We saw it in Dead Presidents.
• 50:36
  Speaker 8: We saw him.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: He took his leg off. Still got that work on
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: the ground. Like, I'm sorry, brother.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: And shout out to my man Mike B from Tampa
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: because I put it in my group chat. Sometimes I
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: just put things in my group chat to see it
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: explode and then come back eight hours later to see.
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: First thing my man Mike B said, and I'm with him. Hey,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: cats like this, front lines.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Front lines. You feel me?
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Listen, you can either go to jail or we got
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: some things that need handling overseas.
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: You put dewdrop anywhere. And you talk like, if.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Denzel Washington could run around a Lowe's for six hours
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: in two movies and kill people.
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: man, shout out to Dewey. I have never, I've never
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: shouted out a murder.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I probably have, but I've never shouted out a
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: murderer in this way.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: That story, everybody knew what it was.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: The moment they saw it, like you said, everybody was
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: laughing immediately. Shout out to all the real journalists out
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: there who had to actually deliver this with a straight face.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Cause they, they, they was passing the buck. They, they left,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: they left out important stuff.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: But the things like murder, it's serious. It's out for
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: them in a way. You know what I mean?
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: They could have told us more, but they was afraid.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: You know what else? Well, they kind of told us this.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: This has been lost in it, by the way. Rest
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: in peace to the victim. Our buddy Dayton Weber, a.k.a. Dewey,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: he going through it. Because I had seen that the
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: murder victim's name was Bradrick. And they showed a picture.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And I didn't think it was Dewey because it was
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: next to a picture. It was a picture of Dewey
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and competition. And then it was a picture of Dewey now.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: And I thought they was two different people. And so
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I thought the second picture was the picture of the victim.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, white Bradrick. Hate it had
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to be you.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: But it turns out Bradrick is actually African-American.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: And this is, you know, so how can I put this?
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Your friend group can be as eclectic as you would
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: like it to be. You know, it could have people
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: from various backgrounds. If I'm the brother and I'm pulling
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: up with not only a quadruple amputee, but a famous one. Like,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: the first thing I saw, this was attached and people
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: quote tweeted it because of the ESPN story that ran
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: about this man.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Like, the ESPN investigative, like, you know, special report, like,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: look at what this young man.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Has gone through and look at how he has achieved. Man, hey.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: I guess that's why I keep my circle small, man.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Because at some point, you know Doudrop going to go off.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: You know he got these skills. He not only is
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: a world-renowned bags player, but he is a hunter. Come on, dawg.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Come on, dawg.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Do you have any clue what I had to do
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: to get here? I don't think you do, ladies and gentlemen.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: That is Jason Goff. Check him out on The Athletic.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Catch him in Chicago.
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying? My brother, I appreciate you.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you as always. And I'll leave you with this, brother.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: In the great words of Sugar Free, you know, you
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: got the same amount of time in the day as
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: Dayton Weber. Don't choose to be nobody.
• 54:08
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• 54:11
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• 54:15
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• 54:30
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