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Project Blue Book · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: And Revors Langley. Yeah, last week we talked about Project
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  Speaker 1: sign which was one of the government's early studies into
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  Speaker 1: UFOs and aliens and things of the like, And this
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  Speaker 1: week we're talking about Project Blue Book, which is the
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  Speaker 1: big government study into UFOs, and almost it's less of
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  Speaker 1: a government study into UFOs and more of a government
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  Speaker 1: campaign against the idea that UFOs exist.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially towards the end.
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  Speaker 1: It really Yeah, it turns into a debunking.
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  Speaker 3: Campaign, which is very interesting because it kind of it
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  Speaker 3: began as that, and then the people who got involved
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  Speaker 3: decided they wanted to make it not that, they were
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  Speaker 3: to make it more neutral, and then as time went
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  Speaker 3: on and more bureaucratic people went in charge, then it
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  Speaker 3: ended up becoming more of that.
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  Speaker 1: Again. Yeah, the CIA gets involved at one point, which
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  Speaker 1: always a red flag.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so, Project Blue Book let's talk about it started
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty two and wasn't shut down till nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty nine. So this is one of those wacky fifties
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  Speaker 1: and sixties government programs that like, this is just what
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  Speaker 1: we were up to at the time, so and probably
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  Speaker 1: still now. Yeah, good, we're better at hiding it.
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  Speaker 3: I just love this shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like back then, we were like, are we going
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  Speaker 1: to be the Nazis too? Like are we just gonna
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  Speaker 1: press everyone like it was?
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  Speaker 3: And then it turns out yeah, yeah, we.
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  Speaker 1: Sure we are.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah we go, but we also kind of weirdly believe
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  Speaker 5: in magic a little bit. Yeah, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: quasi supernatural stuff in vault.
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  Speaker 3: Nazis believed in magic too, man, Yeah, yeah, that's.
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  Speaker 5: Why they were after the the Old Ten Commandments there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, seen hell Boy, Yeah exactly, Constantine, the Man in
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  Speaker 3: the High Castle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Raiders which and last Crusade. The Project Blue
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  Speaker 1: Book had two goals, one to determine if UFOs were
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  Speaker 1: a threat to national security and two to scientifically analyze
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  Speaker 1: UFO related data. And I said this in the last episode,
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  Speaker 1: and I stand by it. This Project Blue Book ends
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  Speaker 1: up being like what the EPA is now where at
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  Speaker 1: one point we have actual scientists who maybe we don't
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  Speaker 1: know what they thought going into climate change research, but
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  Speaker 1: at one point they're all like, whoa, this is a problem.
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  Speaker 1: And the government that funds their budget was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. How about you write that a little different.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make sure you stay funded. And they collected and
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  Speaker 1: analyzed thousands of reports of UFOs. The name refers to
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  Speaker 1: the blue booklets used for testing at some colleges and universities,
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  Speaker 1: and it was thought that for scantron machines, I think
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, that's for essay writing. If you had an
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  Speaker 4: essay to write, it would be in that very specific yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and there was also the theory that aliens
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  Speaker 3: were telling us how much cars were worth, and so
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  Speaker 3: that was all, oh, sure, sure, so it's this whole Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Kelly aliens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah they're from Mars. Uh and uh. It was because
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  Speaker 1: study of UFOs at the time was and this is
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  Speaker 1: a quote as important as a college exam. What it's
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  Speaker 1: a little more high level than that.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's one of those where you're like, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: I actually didn't need to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was called that it sounds way.
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  Speaker 5: It sounds like a bunch of fucking nerds named this
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  Speaker 5: probably was like blue book, sounds mysterious and cool, and
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  Speaker 5: then you find out it's actually a goddamn blue book
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  Speaker 5: from college.
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  Speaker 3: One of the things I love about this, though, is
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  Speaker 3: that most of the people involved are giant fucking nerves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how you it lends it a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of credibility because they're just like these stodgy, uptight
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  Speaker 3: like you know, you picture your class fifties man with
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  Speaker 3: like the flat top right right hornroom glass.
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  Speaker 2: That's a man's got a pocket protector exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like to me, that lends credibility to their finding.
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  Speaker 5: We'll call it Project you know whatever Louder Business Administration
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  Speaker 5: of College.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, the first head of Project Blue Book, interestingly enough,
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  Speaker 1: captain Edward J. Rippel. He wrote the nineteen fifty six
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  Speaker 1: book that first revealed the existence of Project Sign and
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  Speaker 1: the estimate of the situation A man out of situation.
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  Speaker 1: He officially coined the term unidentified flying object. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: he is really one of the pioneers. Yeah, he's a UFO.
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  Speaker 3: He's in the history books.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he did at Project blue Book.
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  Speaker 1: They basically analyzed all of these reports of UFOs. There
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  Speaker 1: were just thousands and thousands of them in the fifties
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  Speaker 1: and sixties, and he streamlined the manner in which they
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  Speaker 1: were rewarded to and by military officials, because he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to alleviate that stigma that came with saying, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: saw UFO. And as this project progresses, the government sort
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  Speaker 1: of turns that around and makes the project just about
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  Speaker 1: being able to stigmatize and discredit people who come out
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  Speaker 1: with reports like this. Yeah. He ordered the development of
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  Speaker 1: a standard questionnaire for UFO witnesses and commissioned the Battel
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  Speaker 1: Memorial Institute to create the questionnaire and computerize the data.
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  Speaker 1: Used all of this data to conduct a massive study
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  Speaker 1: of all Air Force UFO cases, completed in nineteen fifty four.
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  Speaker 1: It was called Project Bluebook, Special Report Number fourteen. I
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  Speaker 1: thought the first thirteen were good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were all right, a little dense.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about this guy, he took the job really seriously.
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  Speaker 1: If anyone got too like, he wanted an objective analysis
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  Speaker 1: of what was happening. Yeah, And he didn't want people
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  Speaker 1: who were kind of like with their preconceived notions either way.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't want people who were too uh insistent that
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  Speaker 1: UFOs were real, and he didn't want people who were
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  Speaker 1: too insistent that they were fake. And if anyone last.
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  Speaker 5: Time, you don't want too many molders, you don't want
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  Speaker 5: too many Let's get a whole team of skinners, right exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And they're all and also people from varying different viewpoints,
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  Speaker 3: like people who might lean one way or the other
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  Speaker 3: but aren't letting it affect there just right.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. He issued regular press releases and monthly classified reports
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  Speaker 1: and uh, like we said, possibly the last government official
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  Speaker 1: who looked into UFOs in any sort of serious manner,
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  Speaker 1: did I.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine or is there a Trump thing with UFOs? Like
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  Speaker 5: when he got in there, he was like, he said
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  Speaker 5: something very direct about it. He's like, if there's UFOs,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna get to the book.
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  Speaker 5: It wasn't Clinton who said that. Well, I know and
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  Speaker 5: did because X falls was huge. He was just riding
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  Speaker 5: the times. But it's sort of God, I think Trump when.
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  Speaker 3: He thinking of Independence day.
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  Speaker 5: Oh am I oh okay. Sarah Sanders won't say whether
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  Speaker 5: Trump believes in UFOs. What Castle was asking about this
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  Speaker 5: who was like, you know what, we need to take
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  Speaker 5: take a brief.
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  Speaker 3: Time in wars in the pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. They should get that out of the
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  Speaker 1: way day one. Just let all the fringe sites come
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  Speaker 1: in and be like UFOs, let's hear it. So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about the Robertson panel. This is the point where
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  Speaker 1: the government starts sort of turning on Project blue Book,
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  Speaker 1: where they they're researching this from a not skeptical and
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  Speaker 1: not too believing, like sort of like a centrist sort
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  Speaker 1: of viewpoint on UFOs. And this incident happens in July
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  Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. It's one of the more famous UFO
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  Speaker 1: incidents where there's just all of these radar and visual
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  Speaker 1: sightings of unidentified flying objects around Washington, d C. Oh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's so awesome.
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  Speaker 5: There's seven of them, right, yeah, they're flying all over
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  Speaker 5: the Capitol and shit fucking rules.
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  Speaker 1: And that happens in nineteen fifty two, and this led
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  Speaker 1: the CIA, so fucking red flag alert right there led
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  Speaker 1: the CIA to establish a panel of scientists headed by
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  Speaker 1: doctor H. P. Robertson, a physicist at the California Institute
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  Speaker 1: of Technology. They first met in January nineteen fifty three.
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  Speaker 1: This part blows my fucking mind. They spent twelve hours
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  Speaker 1: reviewing six years of data before concluding that most UFO
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  Speaker 1: reports had real world explanations and that all of them
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  Speaker 1: could be explained with a little more research, but that
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  Speaker 1: doing that research wasn't that important. Yeah, because it's not real, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve hours. Yeah, that feels like the CIA saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: will you go in and fucking break this up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, science this and tell us that it's fake.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, danger. What do you think? Yeah, do you think? Why?
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  Speaker 1: Why I'm gonna edit out when you plug your Patreon
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  Speaker 1: at the end. Oh my god?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right. In college, like I always thought that
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  Speaker 2: like crop circles were really pretty. I'm like, those are
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  Speaker 2: really cool. What do they come from?
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  Speaker 4: And I looked into it and like it's just it's
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  Speaker 4: just two kids with a planket wood and some string, right,
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  Speaker 4: and you can just really impressive stuff with that. So
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  Speaker 4: I was like, well, that sounds dumb. That's what I
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  Speaker 4: looked into when I saw it. But I came across
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  Speaker 4: this other thing called fairy circles, which was something that
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  Speaker 4: was reported a lot in like the Middle Ages into
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  Speaker 4: you know, the the early twentieth century or so, and
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  Speaker 4: that's like a little spot in a field that was
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  Speaker 4: mysteriously flattened, and that's what eventually became, you know, people
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  Speaker 4: took the idea in Ryan with him and started doing
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  Speaker 4: like these crop circle stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But like that got me to this.
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  Speaker 4: Book called and I don't know if you'll be able
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  Speaker 4: to find this because it was hard to find back
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  Speaker 4: in the day, but Amazon's pretty you know, Passport to Magonia.
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  Speaker 4: Terrible title for a very very interesting book. The whole
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  Speaker 4: thesis is human beings have been seeing visitors throughout our
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  Speaker 4: entire history. Those visitors have always matched our technological advancement.
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  Speaker 4: So like Olivia, I think you mentioned in the in
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  Speaker 4: the the last episode, you know, back in the day,
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  Speaker 4: they saw chariots and the gods coming down on chariots
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  Speaker 4: and there'd be great wheels of fire in the sky
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  Speaker 4: and then like cart wheels, and then they'd say, all right,
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  Speaker 4: there was these men and beasts and on carts flying
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  Speaker 4: through the air. I remember the the the book opens
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  Speaker 4: with an example of uh finding this giant stone lid
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  Speaker 4: to uh, you know, a sarcophagus or coffin in Latin America,
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  Speaker 4: and like looking at it, it looks like a meso
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  Speaker 4: American from the you know, fourteen hundreds in thirteenth century
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  Speaker 4: or whatever it is, is operating a spaceship.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's just because they didn't know what they
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  Speaker 2: were looking at.
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  Speaker 4: If you turn it from the side, you realize that,
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  Speaker 4: oh no, no, this this figure is being birthed from
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  Speaker 4: the ground and there's all this like crazy like lava effects,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what people were misinterpreting as he's operating this spaceship.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, like, so that's all. They were just
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  Speaker 1: seeing a god birthing from a volcano. Sure, nothing weird.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, And it's a really it's a really compelling image.
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  Speaker 4: But the book then goes on to talk about how
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  Speaker 4: like no human beings see visitors.
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  Speaker 2: There's something in our minds.
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  Speaker 4: It's I'm sure it's connected to our propensity to faith,
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  Speaker 4: you know, because people feel visitations from higher powers. And
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  Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of UFOs, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: alien visitation comes from that exact same place.
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  Speaker 2: Because it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: Fairies, baby volcano gods.
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  Speaker 2: It could be a baby volcano guide who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 5: It reminds me of the airships of the early nineteen hundreds.
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  Speaker 5: You guys know about the airships. Yeah, Like there's a
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  Speaker 5: place in Texas that reported like a big airship like
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  Speaker 5: crashed and they buried the the beings and the town cemetery.
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  Speaker 5: But that but similar to what you were talking about,
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  Speaker 5: where it reflects the technology or whatever, and unfortunately that
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  Speaker 5: era gave us a steampunk.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yes, ah, there we go.
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  Speaker 2: That's possible result.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, just speaking to that aspect of the
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  Speaker 3: of the descriptions of extraterrestrial beings, craft and things matching
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  Speaker 3: the technology of the time, I think that could be
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  Speaker 3: just as easily attributed. And I'm pretty in the middle
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  Speaker 3: about most UFO sightings and that sort of thing. There's
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  Speaker 3: a few that have been really compelling, and there's a
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  Speaker 3: few that a lot more that have not been.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's why exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But when it comes to when it comes to that
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  Speaker 3: specific point, I would I would say it's just as
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  Speaker 3: likely that perhaps it's just them using the metaphors that
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  Speaker 3: they have available to them at the time, Like flying saucers.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't imagine that it's literally just a saucer in
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  Speaker 3: the sky. It's this is the shape that were or
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  Speaker 3: the you know, the movement pattern or whatever that you're
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  Speaker 3: associating with it, and I feel like that, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: sure it could be that it is this ingering, subconscious thing,
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  Speaker 3: but it could also be a metaphor, and I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: so many of those texts, especially the religious ones, are
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  Speaker 3: buried under piles and piles of metaphors, right.
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  Speaker 1: My My problem with the oh they just didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what they were looking at like that, it requires all
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  Speaker 1: of these people to be really primitive and stupid, which
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  Speaker 1: they were just in ext but but but they also
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  Speaker 1: like had maps of the solar system.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah how I mean, if you study the sky long enough,
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  Speaker 4: you'll see the heavenly bodies moving around as they should.
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  Speaker 1: But you're not going to get detailed well that way,
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  Speaker 1: I would actually I would say that that would be
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  Speaker 1: giving ancient astronomers a little too little credit. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's always kind of my thing. What the ancient they have.
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  Speaker 2: To do at the time was look up and be like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that moved.
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  Speaker 1: Like so much of the ancient Aliens.
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  Speaker 5: Thing to me is kind of disrespectful to ancient cultures
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  Speaker 5: because it's like, oh, how could these Egyptians build this pyramid?
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  Speaker 1: Took a long, fun time, but they managed. When you
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  Speaker 1: look at some of that, not just the pyramids, but
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  Speaker 1: there are some areas where the stone work is ship
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  Speaker 1: we can't do.
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  Speaker 3: Today, like, yes, but that doesn't mean that they weren't
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  Speaker 3: able to do it then.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but we don't.
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  Speaker 1: But it does imply that they had some sort of
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  Speaker 1: advanced machinery that we're not familiar.
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  Speaker 3: But also at the same time, we've also lost untold
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  Speaker 3: numbers of documents.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, talk about library, I mean.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, A similar thing that I don't
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  Speaker 3: think anyone really tries to associate with aliens is the
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  Speaker 3: concept of domestic steal, which is one of the strongest
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  Speaker 3: metals that humans have ever created, and no one knows
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  Speaker 3: how to make it. No one knows still to this day,
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  Speaker 3: because the formula was lost in some library, you know,
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  Speaker 3: millennia ago.
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  Speaker 1: They talk about things like the Greek Fire.
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  Speaker 4: I don't disbelieve any person that says I saw this thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think they absolutely saw what they what they claimed
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  Speaker 4: to see. But I think that it's entirely possible that
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  Speaker 4: they saw something that their mind generated or their mind
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  Speaker 4: didn't quite understand. And that's not me making a judgment
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  Speaker 4: clon seing like they're crazy, because I think the human
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  Speaker 4: brain is set up to receive visions from other places
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  Speaker 4: or from like that's how we you know, that's where
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  Speaker 4: our instinct for religion comes from.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we want to hear a higher power. And
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  Speaker 2: some of this is.
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  Speaker 4: Confirmation bias, where people, you know, they can look at
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  Speaker 4: in popular culture, they see while flying saucers are a thing,
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  Speaker 4: and they might see something they don't understand. But I
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  Speaker 4: mean at the same time, yeah, like that this book
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  Speaker 4: Passport to Magonia, which I can wholeheartedly recommend everybody in
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  Speaker 4: this room.
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  Speaker 2: It's really fascinating. It just talking.
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  Speaker 4: About how people can see things without being crazy. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: and if they don't understand what they're seeing, the mind
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  Speaker 4: makes up for that, right.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this definitely and yeah, and that's a valid phenomenon.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And I think that's mythology. It's kind of approach, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I think that definitely explains a large number of UFO sightings.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: But I think the ones that make UFOs so interesting
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: are the ones where that doesn't apply as easily, the
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: things where there are multiple confirmed witnesses, The things that
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: we'll be talking about with regards to retch Blue Book,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: where there are you know, credible witnesses, multiple credible witnesses,
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: technological confirmation, and these sorts of things that confirmed that
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: there was a phenomenon. We may it may be aliens,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: it may not, but there was a thing there. Yeah,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: and we can prove that. Yeah, we just don't know
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: what it was.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: And I just I feel like the explanation too many
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: times comes down to, oh, yes, a dozen people saw it,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: but none of them knew what they were seeing, right,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: it was mass hysteria. It's like, I don't know, I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: feel like it can't always be mass hysteria. That's that's insane.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: So let's get back to this fucking the Robertson panel,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: because this is what this is, like the first step
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in undoing Project blue Book, right, which up to this
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: point had been legitimately looking into these things in a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: scientific way. They, like I said, they review six years
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: of data for twelve hours, and they come out with
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: this final report that says all of these can be
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: explained except for the ones that we can't explain, which
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: we could explain if we felt like it. Yeah, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: they suggest that the Air Force gives up on investigating
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: claims and instead focuses on a debunking campaign to lessen
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: public interest. They suggested debunkery, which is such a great word. Oh,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that's fine, through the mass media, including Walt Disney productions,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and using psychologists, astronomers, and celebrities to ridicule the phenomenon
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and put forth prosaic or real world explanations. By the way,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: the animation on you Didn't see anything dipshit is amazing
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: weirdly racist.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and then the follow up you Stupid Rube that
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: was swamp Gas some of Disney's finest work.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: It also recommended that civilian UFO groups quote should be
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: watched because of the potentially great influence on mass thinking.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: That seems like a conflict to me, where they're like, yeah,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: none of this matters. But also keep an eye on
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the people who are spreading this.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Also the people most concerned with with mass thinking try
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: to get.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Rid of other people.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Notice it. We can do that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's our thing. Everyone's bread.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: It is very America in the fifties of We're gonna
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: have nuclear bombs and no one else can.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of wishful thinking though to
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: think that UFO groups could have an influence on mass
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: thinking because they've never really.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was like that ship when you know
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: they sent like uh, you know, CIA or FBI or
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: somebody to investigate like peace groups in San Francisco, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: it was like sixty year old women baking brownie right,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: like talking about how Iraq war was a bad idea,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: Like was it really necessary to send in the fucking
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: fash for this.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: The only the only thing that I think would make
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a difference then is people just didn't have as much
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to do back then. Oh yeah, like there was like
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: there were like one or two TV channels, like there's
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: channels the radio, Like you didn't make some deletin again
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: all this shit that we have. So like a UFO group,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: that's a thing that could probably pick up fifty sixty
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: thousand members, I mean rough. So. In December nineteen fifty three,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a Joint Army Navy Air Force Regulation one forty six
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: made it a crime for military personnel to discuss classified
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: UFO reports with unauthorized persons. Violators faced up to two
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: years in prison and or fines of up to ten
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and in nineteen fifty three, also the Air
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Force issued regulation two hundred dash two ordering air base
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: officers to publicly discuss UFO incidents only if they were
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: judged to have been solved, and to classify all the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: unsolved cases to keep them out of the public eye.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: So this really doesn't sound like there's nothing to worry about, right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: None of this makes it seem like the government honestly
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: believes there's nothing.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Here, nothing that the govern would worry about.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Because that's right.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think that like your average American would
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: perceive a UFOs as a as a threat, but like
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: the government is, especially in the fifties, is keyed up
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: to any type of externals and whoops.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: So the important UFO cases, which I don't know how
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: they defined that at the time, because again we're talking
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: about they're saying, well, no, let's start like debunking this,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: but also there's important UFO cases. Yeah, Like would there
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: be important UFO cases if they were so convinced that
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: UFOs weren't a thing, right, And they start siphoning the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: more high profile cases away from Project Blue Book. So
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: then everything Project Blue Book gets to investigate is like
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: the bullshit where it's just like weather balloons and things.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: That's kind of where I would want to come in
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: and work for Project Blue Books. You know, investigating real
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: shit sounds hard, but I would love to just go
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: interview people who's like, I fucking seen three of them
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: all right, they was flying, then they crashed and then uh,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: I mean was was I drunk?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yes? Did my womer and leave? Yes? But I say,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you know that's what I want. Yeah, I interview those guys.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you maybe.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't want to see the real stuff because then you're
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: gonna be like, fuck, we're doomed, aren't we. Yeah, no
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: one can explain this. It'd be like getting that job
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: at Facebook where you have to review images that have
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: been reported. Yeah, oh I want that job, dude. There
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: there have been articles. There's actually someone filed a lawsuit
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: against Facebook because Facebook was using contractors to do those jobs.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. And they were basically bringing people It's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: like a Blackwater.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Guy with like rapp around Oakley's just like, fuck, yeah, bro,
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: that is racist.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: They were bringing people in, but it's not the racist shit.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: They were bringing people in for like six months at
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a time, and their entire job for six months was
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to look at fucking beheadings. In best Reality and a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: child porn and all of this really Facebook. Yes, they're
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the people who when someone posts this shit, they go
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and take it down. But that also means your job
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is seeing all of this day after day, and you
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: get done with that job. And like a lot of
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: these people have PTSD, we'll see similar to Project Blue Book,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: like I don't want to see that.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: Exactly, I don't want to see where it was just like, well,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: that bitch thinks she's hot.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Shit, I'm gonna.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Report her because fuck her. And it's just like the reports.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: Do you want to be like the judge judy of it. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: where it's like, all right, you two just need to
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: work it out. All right, this is a ridiculous case.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: Don't piss tell me it's raining.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah. By doing all of this, the the Robertson uh,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the Robertson panel, basically they undercut Project Blue Book and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: basically ended any meaningful investigation that they could do and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: so eventually repel requests for reassignment and for the remainder
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of the Project blue Book was headed by directors who
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: either just vehemently disagreed with the idea that UFOs existed,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: or if they did maybe feel like they were on
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: board with it, the government would just cut their funding.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So again, it's a lot like the EPA, where you like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: if you're in charge and you think global warming is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: a hoax, the government's going to support you, because our
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: current administration wants global warming to be a hoax. But
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: they also went to the EPA and we're like, don't
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: write about global warming, just like the CDC can't write
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: about gun violence. Yeah, Like they're not allowed to do
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: any studies into gun violence. And that's our government that
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: is r like, no, we'll take your money away if
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you look into gun.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Violence, right, which is fucked because in both cases, the
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: army is doing both of those things. And right we're
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: preparing actively for when the seage rise and no one
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: has anywhere to go, you know. Yeah, and also they're
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: looking into, uh, you know how post that extress can
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: like affect people who go fucking nuts and shoot up
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: at fucking school because it happened to them at Fort Hood,
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: so you can't, you know.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It's it's one of those things where if you want
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: to dig into a juicy conspiracy, look into mefloquin. It
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: is a drug. Yeah, we did an episode about it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: If you're gonna say, we did a bunch of it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Anti malaria drug that for starters. They used it to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: torture people at Guantanamo Bay because it gives you like
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: wild hallucinations and things. But it also has been implicated
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: in a lot of like army and military related mass
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: shootings and ship because people have to take it when
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: they're going somewhere that might have malaria and you have
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to take like you have to keep taking it, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it's not meant to be taken that way. Yeah, it
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: drives people insane.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: See, I just I missed the British way of dealing
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: with malaria, which was inventing the gen and tonic.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Did that work sort of repel requested assignment And so
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: by the time Project blue Book Special Report number fourteen
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: comes out, he's already gone. Yeah, And this is a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: special Report number fourteen. It was a massive statistical analysis
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: of the Blue Book cases completed in nineteen fifty four.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: They divided all of the reports of UFOs into categories nones, unknowns,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and insufficient information. They broke down the nones and unknowns
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: into four categories of quality from poor to excellent, and
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the criteria for unknowns was especially stringent because they didn't
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: want to go public and say, we don't know what
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this is if they could explain it obviously, because that
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: would undermine your credibility. And the main results, about sixty
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: nine percent the case is nice, were judged known or identified.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Thirty eight percent were conclusively identified, while thirty one percent
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: were still doubtfully explained. Nine percent fell into insufficient information.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: About twenty two percent were deemed unknown. And that number
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is important, Yeah, because when the Air Force reports on
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: this later, they changed that number to something like three.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like two or three percent, which.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: There's no reason to do that, ye, unless you're weird
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: trying to divert people's attention from something.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Every every public statement that they've made about those actual
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: numbers has been like, not what's in the actual report, right,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: which is weird, considering very weird, Like that's the whole
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: thing about this report.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, uh. In the known category, eighty six
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: percent of the knownes where aircraft balloons or had astronomical explanations.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Only one point five percent of all cases were judged
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: to be psychological or crack pot cases. Which that's interesting
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: to me too because that's like the go to argument
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is it's all this fucking crazy person saw a star, Yeah,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and we don't have to listen to them. The higher
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the quality of the case, the more likely it was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to be classified as unknown, which is another really interesting statistic, right,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: So that what they're basically saying there is the more
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: witnesses to these things there are, the less we know
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: about them, which that that kind of makes the argument
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: that the ones we don't know about that also happen
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: to have like the most witnesses in the best details. Yeah,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: so what is that's.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Also the ones that they That's the number that they
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: the Air Force constantly plays down and severely minimizes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's like, oh, a bunch of priests and
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: cops and and judges saw an alien to a backflip
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: off the high dive, No need to investigate that. So
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: what's really crazy about this report is those statistics don't
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: point to oh, there's nothing here, right, Like, there's a
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: lot of unknowns that they like they looked into very
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: seriously and were never able to come up with an
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: explanation for it. But then the summary section of this report,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: which again was released after repell Left, said it was
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: quote highly improbable that any of the reports of the
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: unidentified aerial objects represent observations of technological developments outside the
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: range of present day knowledge. And what a lot of
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: researchers have pointed out is that their summary in their
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: final conclusion doesn't match their research right, as if they
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: were either they didn't want to accept what they had found,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: like that, shit, this is extraterrestrial, or that someone again
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: in the government was like, no, that's not the direction
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: you're going to take this. Yeah, you're going to write
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: this and say there's no evidence we didn't find anything.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: And they know that people mostly just read the beginning
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: and end of those really long reports.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that happened to me in college
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: You know, you'd write the abstract first and then you'd
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: actually read the book as you were writing the paper,
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: because you did actually read it in the first place.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: And they're like, oh, William Blake didn't mean that at all.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Have a great degree, you guys.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: So literature. It's at this point I don't have the
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: guy's name in the notes. What was Oh J Allen Heineck, right,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: doctor J.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Allen Heinick, who was brought on with the Robertson Report,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the Robinson Panel, but then the Robertson Panels sent him
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: to work for projects Signed as a associate investigator or
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: whatever his title was, and he was with this project
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: from Sign through Grudge and all the way to the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: end of Blue Book. And he came in as a
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: super hardcore skeptic, just came in thinking all of this
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: is bunk, none of this is real. This is all
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a rational explanation for everything. And what's
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: interesting about him is he's probably seen more of these
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: reports than anyone else, and his general idea now has
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: completely shifted to where he thinks that there are actually
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: a decent number of these cases that are reliable and
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: could be true.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: And I think that's compelling, like that for sure, like
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: who would know better than the people who actually saw
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: this stuff and worked on it. And I think with him,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: especially when this final report came out, I think at
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the time even he was still kind of like on
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the fence, and then a few years later was like
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I thought about it a little more.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, his views are really interesting and they definitely they
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: evolved very slowly over time, but in a way that
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: is believable. As someone who is receiving evidence. He was
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: always very candid about his commanding officers, and he said
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: that it was only repelled and a later guy, captain friend.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: I believe.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: He's not an alien.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: No major, sorry, is a major man. Friend.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I am your friend, major friend.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: But he had uh he's Those are the only two
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: people who headed the project that he had respect for,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: he said. In my context with him, I found him
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: to be honest and seriously puzzled about the whole phenomenon,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: and a friend, he wrote, of all the officers I
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: worked with in Blue Book, you're definitely a human being.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: He is the one who has the most human characteristic.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Definitely he earned my respect. Whatever private views he may
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: have held, he was a total and practical realist, and
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: sitting where he could see the scoreboard, he recognized the
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: limitations of his office, but conducted himself with dignity and
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: a total of the bomb bass that characterized several of
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the other Blue Book heads.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: And then he took his glasses off and I stared
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: deeply into his spiraling eyeballs.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: In between this, the Robertson panel coming out and Blue
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Book issuing this report Number fourteen repelled leaves and blue
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Book is taken over just by a series of people
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: who just don't give a shit like the government. It
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: basically becomes government policy. That blue Book is now debunking
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: UFO stories as opposed to researching them, which again put
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: nothing weird about that. Yeah, nothing off about that at all.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And last thing we'll talk about quick the Condon Committee.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: This is what finally kills Project blue Book, and it
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was funded by the Air Force, carried out at the
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: University of Colorado. UFO project formed after nineteen sixty six
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: can rational hearings about another outbreak of UFO's signings. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: believe these were in Connecticut and it was directed by
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: physicist Edward Condon. That research produced the Condon Report in
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, fourteen hundred and eighty five pages in hardcover,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: nine to sixty five in paperback, released January nineteen sixty nine.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously at fourteen hundred pages there's a
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: lot to dig through, but this was the general thesis
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of that study. Our general conclusion is that nothing has
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: come from the study of UFOs in the past twenty
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: one years that has added scientific knowledge. Careful consideration of
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the record as it is available to us, leads us
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And this is one of the defining moments in UFO
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: research history because this is the moment where every fucking
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: like skeptic, borderline skeptic, like scientist, anyone, this is their
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: thing that they point to and go, see, this guy
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: studied it and he says it's not true.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Well, fucking Project blue Book studied it. Project sign studied
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: it for a year and was like, no, it's real,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: seems true. So how do you decide who you believe?
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it was, but it's it's still
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: to this day pointed to as the thing that basically
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: killed UFO research in this country. Project blue Book itself
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was more interesting from almost like an office work standpoint. Yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Like imagine your day job for years and years just
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: being to go into work and look at UFO reports
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and decide most of my life. Yeah yeah, And uh
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: so it's the Condon Report that eventually kills it. And
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: to this day, the Air Force's uh standard answer if
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: they're asked about Project blue Book and what they found.
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  Speaker 1: No UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force
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  Speaker 1: was ever an indication of a threat to our national security. Comforting,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: there was no evidence submitted to or discovered by the
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  Speaker 1: Air Force that sightings categorized as unidentified represented technological developments
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  Speaker 1: or principles beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge. And
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  Speaker 1: there was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as unidentified
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  Speaker 1: were extraterrestrial vehicles.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there you had it, and well and major friend
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  Speaker 5: was not a twelve foot tall alien from the planet
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  Speaker 5: Umo in a suit.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot more to Project blue Book, obviously, but
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  Speaker 1: we don't have We don't have all goddamn days. I
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  Speaker 1: do tweet at language.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to talk Project blue Book, baby, I'm
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  Speaker 5: down to talk.
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  Speaker 3: I find it, I find it really fascinating. It's really
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  Speaker 3: the only kinds of conspiracy theories that I can even
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  Speaker 3: engage with because.
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  Speaker 1: Now they're also boring.
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  Speaker 3: Is just the Jews, and it's like, that's so such
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  Speaker 3: a boring It's like, at least make up lizards. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: George sorows Is, so he's paying to make people say
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  Speaker 4: that they're mad at the president.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the pay protest.
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  Speaker 3: These are like those are like the hot conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: No suck.
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  Speaker 5: We need to return to the nineties when the hot
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: conspiracies were about Area fifty one.
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  Speaker 3: Yes exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so that's our episode about Project blue Book. Go
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: out and uh just fucking google it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, read up more on it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Be careful that second link for Project blue Book, if
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you google it, definitely a porn site that's going to
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: give you some viruses. I don't remember if it's Project
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Sign or Project blue Book, but I was like just
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: starting to google and the second link, like the second
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: fucking Google search was this totally like fraudulent, oh ufo evidence,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And I click it and it's like, my fucking screen
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: just lights up with Hey, you've won ten thousand dollars.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Sounds conspiratorial.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, and they're just putting those pop books is
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a distraction.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Notice the ship I look down, my keyboard was mutilated
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and poured out its asshole. Really weird Towers Thyroid.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: This this episode is gonna be really timely though, because
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the History Channel is making a drama series called Project
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Blue and it's their main character is gonna be a
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: doctor j Allen Heinez. So that's awesome could be really interesting.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: I'm sure, Olivia, I'm sure you're on board as much
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: as I am with that. And then I believe if
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: it isn't already out, it's coming out there doing a
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  Speaker 5: Jack Parson show.
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  Speaker 2: It's oh nice.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: I saw a billboard Strange Angel I think yes was playing.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: I just saw it on a billboard as I was driving.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: And that's another thing that I voice thought would make
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: a good show.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you and I are sympatico in our appreciation of
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: a mid century modern weirdness, and it's all coming true.
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  Speaker 1: The world's ending, but we're getting some good TV. God damn.
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  Speaker 3: Hey there you go.
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  Speaker 1: H what do we have to plug before we get
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• 41:09
  Speaker 1: including last week's episode Patreon only, which is about Project
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Sign Yeah that's right, which was a precursor to Project
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: blue Book. And also I don't know if by the
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: time this goes up. November seventeenth, I'm on the Two
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  Speaker 1: Oh fun, I am planning to murder motherfuckers.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: At trivia, like not literal murder, Like I'm gonna fucking
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have some answers to that ass. Can we play?
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: We go do trivia sometimes.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: I've been trying to find a good trivia partner for
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: Alex Schmidt.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Huh, Alex Schmidt.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Who's our sports ringer? Schmida sports? Is this I could do?
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I got sports?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course? Yeah, don't we got this. We're la
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: We're coming for your ass.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, Olivia, what do you have to plug?
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: You can check out my Twitter at high Air High Darts,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: Hi Dar and I talk about a lot of bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Danger yeah good.
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• 42:23
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome. It's really great.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: We also just released a new song called space Nazis
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  Speaker 2: All the Way from England is really good. It's really good.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Is my favorites on that way?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Don't you feel like focusing on space Nazis when there's
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: so many ground Nazis is sort of I think it's.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: It, you know.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I think it's a really good bridge for a lot
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: of people to say, Okay, you know, we can definitely
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: kill the space Nazis. Maybe we can then have a
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: conversation because there's a lot of people who think that
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: they're still good on both sides, Adam the good on
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: both sides of the Nazi's slash non Nazi debate.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: We feel otherwise.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: But I think that we could probably get some of
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: those folks to open up and remain you're really talking
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: of the past seventy years. Well, I mean weird. Been
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: looking into that kind of thing that is so weird.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I read a.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Book once and we talked about it earlier.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get the funk out of here. Olivia saygabyebye.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Wait can I plug? Oh oh that's right, you haven't
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: plugged anything. Very Yeah, no you cannot.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: I don't want to tell him. I'm going to be
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: in Nashville. Oh yeah, yeah, not too. I'm gonna have
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: to drive through Fife, Alabama. This is a very famous.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Rest in peace Fife. Uh huh, Fife dogs.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: This is a Fife that Bill Hicks reference is actually
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: on where he's like, I can't believe that aliens go
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: to a place like Fife, Alabama, like some intergalactic Jode family.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: But uh no. Yeah.
• 43:58
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  Speaker 1: It's called The Goods from the Woods.
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: It comes out every Tuesday on iTunes, Google Play, SoundCloud,
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: all the stuff. And if you live down south, I'm
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: doing a couple of dates in December. Find me in
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: Nashville at the Third Coast Comedy Club on Saturday, December
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: twenty second, and the night before that, I'll be at
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Standard Deluxe in Waverley, Alabama with a bunch of straight
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  Speaker 5: killers from the atl We're gonna have a great comedy
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• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I'm glad Standard Deluxe is still around after what happened
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: to Super Deluxe. Super Deluxe got way too ambitious. Yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Standard exactly. All right, now, can we get out of here?
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Good?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Now that it's not rude, Illivia.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Say goodbye, goodbye Rivers, Sagobye, goodbye Danger Bye Aye.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: We love you, goodbye everybody.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We love you.
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  Speaker 4: People such destroy,