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Talks to Lee the boatswain and Cam'O'Shanter talk about Enlightenment (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Feeling the seas under the skies, the feeling the breeze.
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  Freedom in our eyes. And adventure calls that we ride
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  the waves in the sumptions embrace.
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  We're truly dreaming. Sailing the seas under the sky,
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  endless sky in the breeze, Dreaming our eyes.
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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife, the Doctor Who
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  Commentary podcast. Now we have had viewer feedback
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  between episode 2 and episode 3 by Elizabeth Santha herself to
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  suggest that perhaps we are not taking as intellectual an
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  approach to discussion this Doctor Who classic enlightenment
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  and and giving it appropriate seriousness.
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  So I'd like to start by, you know, Cameron, I said to you at
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  the beginning of the call before Lee arrived due to our
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  misunderstanding. I think you'll find Peter
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  Davison in this, you know, finds a lot of the material
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  fundamentally animistic. He reconciles that with the
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  imperial critical belief that suspends that the root for
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  phenomena. What do you think about that?
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  I would compare it to the Maison Sen of the scenes in
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  Enlightenment. Very much reminiscent of French
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  cinema in the 1920s. Yeah, It, that's what reminds me
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  of it. Reminds me of the, you know, the
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  Parisian cinemas, the 1920s. Leigh, you know, obviously
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  you're an expert in this field, so how do you feel about the
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  general existentialism that is on display in Enlightenment?
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  Well, consider it in the bigger picture.
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  Have you taken all the elements that are at play in this story?
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  You've got a lot of meta textual things going on.
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  But I think the, I think the real important searching
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  question we have to ask about enlightenment, especially this
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  particular episode we're about to discuss, is can we just get
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  onto Linda Barton's chest? Please we're following.
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  Nobody with a stalk. Bring on the tits.
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  Let's just get to the spot now, yes?
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  OK, Right. Thank you very.
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  Much love. The fact is Joe, who says bring
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  on the tits first. Do you know what I think, Doctor
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  Who might have turned me? You know, I've started looking
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  at Jenna Coleman in a very strange ways.
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  Pearl Mackie. You know, who was the other one
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  the other day that was getting me all hot and bothered?
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  Wasn't Karen Gillan? No.
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  Who was it? What's wrong with Karen Gillan?
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  Oh, it was Billie Piper, and that won the bra.
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  My other half was watching on New Earth, I thought.
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  Like I would just simply review what you were talking about.
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  Yeah, Jesus, no more direction required for Lee.
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  Yeah. So like it's pseudo
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  intellectual, this question, It's it is about female
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  cleavage, but I think there is a paper to be made about it, you
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  know, sort of what do you think Linda Baron's fabulous rack as
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  rack ranks. Rack by name.
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  Rack as rack ranks, Yeah, it's sort of the, it's sort of like
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  the the greatest racks of Doctor Who.
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  Where does rack rank? This is a feature title in
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  itself, isn't it? Ongoing.
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  Ongoing to my honourable colleague on this one just now.
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  And Paul, I think about it. Bloody hell, I was about to say
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  the same thing. I I can't claim to be an expert
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  on such matters, but he's. He's going to see Michelle Ryan.
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  He's going to show Michelle Ryan.
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  That's what he's going to say. I'm all that predictable.
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  Really. I'm all that predictable.
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  It's coupled up with the cat said though.
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  And I know you. Do you like a sort of saucy
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  arist crap then? It's it brings sunshine to the
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  valleys. Is that what you say up north?
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  So I was still sort of comparing Linda Baron to obviously the
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  ultimate tits in cinema Ingrid Pier from the Time Monster.
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  Because I mean, I mean, did you not hear that wonderful anecdote
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  from Barry Letts? He got that letter saying how
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  dare you put those enormous great bosoms all over the screen
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  for my son to watch. And Barry?
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  Did the boy good? He wrote back to her and went
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  well. What did you want us to do with
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  them? She's got them.
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  They come in standard. Yeah, yeah, well, look, OK, all
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  right. Enough intellectualism, enough
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  tits. Should we watch episode 3?
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  Don't get this in the sure, do you?
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  You definitely get it in the Polish box so.
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  They do. All the time if.
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  You want more of this sort of thing?
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  Go check out that Channel. OK.
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  Particularly, go and find Paul Quinn's obscene reading on the
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  claws of Axos. Once experienced, never
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  forgotten. In three seconds, gentlemen.
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  Absolutely. Let's do it.
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  Oh wait, I'm not at the end of the other episode yet.
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  Hang on three. Next episodes, everyone.
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  Click Yay. Are.
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  You seeing stars? Are you seeing?
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  A field of stars. Doctor Who theme.
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  Oh. This song isn't it?
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  You Remember Me when the West wind moves among the.
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  Field. Of Oh no, it's Bali.
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  Bali. Yeah.
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  I always said we won at a field, but oh.
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  You said you was going to do some research on imagination.
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  Oh, I. Forgot, but I admitted that I
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  was getting a little drink about.
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  I'll wing it. Oh, OK.
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  All right. Here we go.
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  Do you think they called her rack because of her rack or is
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  that just a coincidence? And then they have been.
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  Would that have been a colloquial state like word to
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  use for that in 1983? Probably not.
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  What? Would they have said back then?
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  I mean, I was four years old at the time, so.
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  Yeah, probably. My dad used to say terrible
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  things like bazoombas and things like that.
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  You know, he's sort of kiddified.
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  Yeah, well. Oh, look, we're back on the deck
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  now, OK. This is completely breathable.
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  Yeah, I don't know if. I don't technically need the
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  helmet. Would you take your?
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  Helmet off though I'm not sure I would.
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  You probably would just to take it all in like 360°.
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  Wouldn't you like them on? Did they do that special effects
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  shot of the two two sailing ships there off the deck?
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  Is that matted in? Is it a glass shot do you think?
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  Sure. Did you see it with the two
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  ships in the distance? Yeah, yeah, that that's
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  incredible. But for the time, oh I hate Star
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  Wars, but for Doctor Who is. Pretty.
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  Damn. Incredible.
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  Well, Michael Gradel, no, it's not Star Wars.
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  No, yes, he was very disappointed wasn't he, when he
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  switched on in a few weeks time. It cancelled us as well, the
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  monster. Yeah, I think it was the merka
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  that did it only, wasn't it? It was.
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  See again people just besmutching my boys name.
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  I'm half expecting for that fucking door.
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  To open up behind. You and the.
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  Murka to come nestling next to. You on the sofa at.
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  This right didn't. You sorry that wasn't me just
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  merging your wife then, by the way.
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  All right. That's on your.
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  Comments. You'd be lucky.
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  To get a Murka. You all right?
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  I can but dream, Joe. I can but dream I.
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  Can't but time look at that, yeah.
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  I mean, could you imagine Fiona coming, getting his script?
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  OK, so Turlo's flying through space.
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  We're going to throw. Out the life ring for him to
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  grab hold of. She's like, hang on, have we got
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  an? Increase in budget.
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  This week. The slow more stuff works quite
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  well though. I quite I quite like those
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  shorts. The only time I think it's
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  really pony is when the net comes in.
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  I'm not I. Was going to stay apart from the
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  CGI but the CSO but rather. But this is nice.
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  I mean, it was on the table just sort of reaching out towards the
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  camera going it. Must be, yeah.
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  It's one of those times when you really wish you were an actor.
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  I'd love to do a bit of that. Here we go, here it comes.
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  I love the fact that we're about to enter the the sort of moment
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  in enlightenment when up until now it's been like this deadly
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  contest between these ships all like in direct competition with
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  each other. And then you realise that they
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  can kind of just snip across the other boat for a bite of dinner.
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  And it's just like, again, it's just like this whole weird
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  economy that goes on with this whole thing.
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  It's like, yeah, it's a deadly race, but come off some stick
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  pie. Stick pie.
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  I don't know what sort of bites for dinner you're having in
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  Scotland, but that's a fabulous banquet she puts on for them on
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  Rack Ship. It won't be a stick pie though.
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  They stop it. Fabulously erect new pieces of
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  celery for the doctor to pin to his repel on that table.
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  Yeah, nice. He he, he gets a bit of that
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  from the buffet, don't he? Well.
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  It was sagging a bit, to be fair, not.
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  Getting a bit limp. But what a bit of celery?
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  He's married to Sandra Dickinson at this point, wasn't he?
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  Oh, definitely. His his celery was not his own.
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  There's another interest. He's got that in a jar.
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  Oh no. His his Leech on.
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  There he is. Let's.
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  Talk about Leech on. Beloved character actor Lee
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  John. I wonder if I could play that
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  role actually. A staggering duel for a rival.
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  What do you think? Keep your keep your eyes on Lee
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  John though, because there's I've noticed this happens a bit
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  three times. It might be more, but he'll
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  deliver a line and he'll look off camera.
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  Just glance, just as this basically.
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  Was that OK? I will keep an eye on her if you
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  see the look on Tolo's face when he was.
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  Looking up at racks tits, he was practically drooling.
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  He knows he's joined the right side now.
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  Yeah, he got. The Doctor kill him.
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  Yeah, he thought he was onto a good thing with Tiga.
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  Then he met Linda Baron. She is fab though isn't she?
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  Like I know I like a camp broad and she is a.
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  Camp broad in this and every line is very theatrical.
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  But it's just the right side of pantomime, isn't it?
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  It's just that sort of pantomime villain, but just dialed down
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  enough. Do you mind when Linda Baron
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  used to do that kids show called Come Outside I?
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  Wonder if it seems like a fight in a pub car park, doesn't it?
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  Yeah. Is that?
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  What it was about a fight in a car park.
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  You would be a witty, weren't you?
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  OK. I don't know about witty.
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  You can't warn me when you're going to do that, all right?
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  No, she's genuinely She was generally the kid show called
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  Come Outside. Was it on a barge with a dog?
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  Yeah, she was, she said the dog. Yeah.
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  And she just kind of went all this place like today we're
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  going to go to the supermarket or something like that, and then
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  she would go with the dog to the.
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  Supermarket Do you remember her first glorious appearance on
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  Doctor Who? So chill.
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  Up your. Glasses.
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  Join. In the.
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  Fun. The Lord was this.
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  I am not picking up on this at all.
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  When was? This.
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  Are you kidding me? You're not.
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  Picking up on me and him singing the.
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  Ballad of the Last. Child.
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  Someone's not had the delight of the gunfighters in his life,
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  clearly. I don't think I have now.
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  I don't think it's. Curtains for Charlie?
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  Come on lady, and have a bit. You have not lived until you've
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  seen Jackie Lane pretend to play a piano.
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  It's. Very great.
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  Nice example of the sextant there.
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  Yes. And did you see that fabulous
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  telescope that was on the deck, that sort of gold telescope that
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  they? Yeah, nice props, very nice.
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  There's loads of cool stuff in this.
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  Do you know what space suits look cool?
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  I'm being serious when I say this.
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  Now I know we've had a lot of larks on this, but let's let's
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  be serious for a second. Have you fellas ever been to a
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  GIMP party? No.
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  Look at what they're wearing. I mean, I'm, I only stayed for a
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  little bit, but it's very, I mean, Doctor Who designers,
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  right? Are they on the joke?
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  Oh yeah, probably. I mean, this is what BBC
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  television said around about 1980s probably.
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  But Shardless Jack's very much that, isn't it.
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  Yeah, the mask and all, but yeah, I hadn't picked up on
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  that. Yeah, they are.
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  Well, you know, the masks in Creature from the Pit, what the
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  guards are wearing, you know. Do you remember those?
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  Oh, right, right. OK, I see.
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  Yep. Strange people in those parties.
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  Oh, you see how she's got him tied up and she's got sort of
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  the knife at him? You know, she's going, you know,
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  I'm gonna have you keel hoard if you don't do what I'll say.
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  Yeah, I'm from Crawley, right? All the girls are pretty feral
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  there. That's just considered sort of
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  casual. Flirting and Crawley.
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  That's a charpling, isn't it? Surely.
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  That's actually. Being a bit gentle if I'm
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  honest. But how wonderful to have the
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  sexual dynamics on the show being the woman pirate.
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  Tying up the male victim. It's great, yeah.
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  And at. No point.
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  Did she take a knife to their eyebrows?
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  No. You would, I said, Linda, do you
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  fancy doing this? She went, not really.
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  And then she got the script and she was like, I'll be there,
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  yes. That boy needs to try when I'm
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  the woman to do it. Yeah, I.
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  Wonder if her and Le Jean got on famously.
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  I suspect so. Well, it goes straight for the
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  chains. Look at.
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  Lee. Yes.
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  Did you ever fancy? Sort of.
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  I mean, you've got so many ES&M's in your surname, did you
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  ever fancy the extra E for your first name as well?
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  See, if you don't put me as Lee in the description for this,
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  I'll be very disappointed. I.
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  Mean you've. Already said I've got enough
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  letters in my name, why I had another one.
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  Honestly, you can never have enough ease honestly.
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  Seriously. Oh my words.
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  And here we go this. Is when we're at this party,
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  isn't it? Look at this.
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  OK, can I? Oh, I know.
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  I. Just said I was going to be
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  serious. She looks so beautiful in that,
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  doesn't she? She does, actually, yeah.
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  No, to be fair. Like what?
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  Is anybody? In that boob tube when you can
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  make her look like this for the whole story, boy.
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  But as she goes to that party and everyone's absolutely
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  enchanted by her and I can see my.
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  Honeycomb storm trouble, The crunchy OH.
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  I love honeycomb, don't you? If you like it when it gets
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  stuck in your teeth and then you find a bit, oh you have to.
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  Pick it off your tongue. Oh.
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  My God, why am I usually get stuck?
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  A day later. Yeah, well, it's.
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  Right at the tooth bar, then, but.
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  The tree is still. God day later.
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  You were. Complaining when your tongue was
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  in there all right. Oh yeah, yeah, true.
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  I was trying to pick bits out. I mean it goes.
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  Watch Baron at the wheel, right She's.
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  Quite subtle at the wheel doing this shit and that.
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  Watch Leech on, he's moving the whole body.
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  As he's looking thoroughly natural.
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  And then look at the fella on the other ship.
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  He's perfectly still doing what you actually.
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  Do with a wheel. It's sort of the three styles of
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  acting there, wouldn't you say? There's definitely, there's
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  definitely acting choices. Speak, mate.
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  Yes, there's a, there's a, there's a plan.
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  So what? What does she do?
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  She puts a jewel. She gives a gift to each ship
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  and then she comes alongside with her ship, goes into this
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  special room, whatever it is, and blows it up.
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  Yeah, this targets the the jewel.
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  So whatever it's. Not really fully explained how
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  but that's it's like general just the person.
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  That's yeah, it's kind of it needs something to lock to.
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  It locks the jewel is. It the power of the Black
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  Guardian or is it an eternal power?
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  Oh no, I think it starts to get mentioned something to do with
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  the Eternals because zip a guy on the ceiling that we find next
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  episode doesn't that channels energy.
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  It was that sequence, you know where the tiara is going to blow
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  up. Strikers ship that in the 75
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  minute version. Man, they edited it to hell and
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  back, and it was so fast and so dynamic, and it was like, boom,
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  close up on the tiara, boom, the doctor's running down the
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  corridor, boom racks cackling like a maniac.
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  And there's this sort of like, music playing over.
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  And I was like, yeah, I don't want to watch the original 1
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  now. This is what you're exciting.
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  Doesn't really like, I mean, you know, you get your traditional
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  episode free debt where the plot really cools down.
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  This is sort of nicely paced all the way through.
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  But do you object to down but like remove it?
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  Is it? Is it a sacred thing to you to?
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  No, to be monkeyed by fear. Not.
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  So never, it's like all these people that complain about, you
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  know, the animations and you know, all that thing wasn't in
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  there. I've read the camera scripts,
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  right? But nobody's ever going to see
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  these things again realistically.
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  So why not just play around with it?
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  And the same thing is like, I don't have a like a 7590 minute
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  edit. It's just another thing.
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  It's not replaced in the original.
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  It's still there if you want to see it, so why not just have
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  these things? I think I.
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  Think it's ruins my. Childhood what's the moment of
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  self hate when you know you're going to hate it because you
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  love the original so much and then you.
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  Watch it and complain. About it anyway.
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  Yes, Ian, we're talking about you.
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  I just said the name here, so it's still quite ambiguous.
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  As long as you don't see it three times in a minute, we'll
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  be fine. No.
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  Oh. No.
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  Conjure them up. Music player, see.
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  But this is what gets me. So I kind of go, yeah, you can,
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  you're doing a race, but just pop across to the other ship for
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  a wee bite of dinner. I've been to weddings with worse
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  breads than that, you know. Do you see they've got chicken
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  legs and salads? Tarrama salata?
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  It's Robin. These things with no idea.
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  I think that's your standard big finished lunch that they always
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  go on about. Colin Baker's just off short
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  relief. Now if you.
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  Look at the costumes in here. Yeah, you'll see every single
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  costume that's ever been in Blake 7 amongst all the extras.
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  They've raided the cupboards, but I don't know.
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  Again, look at the set, look at the dressing, look at the
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  costumes. It is lavish for Doctor Who.
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  That's what, 20 extras all dressed up?
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  That cost money that cost. Money that's not a relatively
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  small budget, there's like £10,000 they spent on this,
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  which it's probably more than it sounds in 1983 on.
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  This episode. Yeah.
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  On the whole lot, yeah, all four episodes it was about 10 grands
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  of a budget that. So like what?
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  Yeah, really quick. 2 1/2 grand an episode.
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  Wow. Yeah, well then J&T is a
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  magician. But I believe that, yeah, yeah,
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  I mean, they've got the advantage of that.
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  They've clearly gone through the BBC props department and had all
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  this stuff anyway, but they still make it for that money
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  that. Fellow at the back of the room
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  in the top hat. Like the awful Dodger.
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  Like he stepped out of Dickens. So he's what ship's he on?
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  That loves a bit of Bleak House, you know.
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  I love this room with like the massive leave it out the front
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  of it by the doors is on off. Cameron if my heating system at
• 20:12
  home could be that simple I would be very grateful.
• 20:14
  It's so I can't turn it on without.
• 20:16
  Roasting. Myself alive.
• 20:18
  It's so complicated. Yeah, I need those sort of
• 20:22
  simple, you know, Terry Nation sort of dials.
• 20:24
  That says off. And danger the other side that.
• 20:28
  You can just put it somewhere. In the middle.
• 20:31
  Sorry, come when you go. No, Carrie, I'm just going to
• 20:35
  make a joke of storage here. It.
• 20:39
  Sounded it sounded interesting when I when I said I thought
• 20:43
  about it, but. That's every joke I ever make.
• 20:45
  We've. Got all this material more than
• 20:48
  the Polish box folks. Yes, join us.
• 20:52
  Join us and he might make a joke.
• 20:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But just as the speed at which
• 20:57
  she took that champagne away from Tegan or all the Davisons
• 21:00
  female companions, just really angry drunks.
• 21:04
  Yeah, Do you remember in Black Orchids where Nyssa goes, I'll
• 21:07
  have a screwdriver and as well. Yeah.
• 21:11
  What a prude. He is Davidson's doctor.
• 21:14
  I like to think, though, because he says we don't have your
• 21:17
  constitution, She says. Don't you like the wine?
• 21:19
  The it's something amazing, like it's an entire Galaxy scrunched
• 21:23
  down into a glass of champagne or something.
• 21:25
  That's. Awesome.
• 21:28
  I just like the thought of a big finish out there.
• 21:29
  Bertiga and Nyssa start a fight in whoever spins.
• 21:33
  Well, they. They become a couple.
• 21:35
  So, so, you know, I think the dream might have been involved.
• 21:37
  Somewhere, one day, she was comforting.
• 21:42
  Her over the loss of Auntie Vanessa.
• 21:45
  I had a couple of glasses of Planck and the next thing we.
• 21:48
  Knew it. Has anyone seen the scissors?
• 21:54
  Sorry, I'm so sorry. What is this vacuum shield all
• 21:58
  about? This is where I get a little bit
• 22:00
  confused. Why is there an airlock?
• 22:03
  In. The bottom of the ship, yeah.
• 22:06
  Think for like taking on cargo maybe?
• 22:10
  OK. But I mean, I figured it's just
• 22:14
  the way that she disposes of people.
• 22:16
  It's just a big old. Probably, yeah.
• 22:18
  You know, stick them in the you. Know you fellows could do a
• 22:22
  deploy in that I. Think it's nice?
• 22:24
  The police box. Throw them down the vacuum
• 22:27
  shield. I've just noted that a vacuum
• 22:31
  lever has like a medium option. It's an on off and a medium.
• 22:35
  Yes. At one point do you go I only
• 22:37
  want a half a shield? I'm sorry I must disagree with
• 22:41
  you my hate and control. Said on off a medium, I'll be
• 22:44
  very. Happy.
• 22:46
  Back to the story, cheaters again known me.
• 22:49
  You have failed me. Yeah, you will.
• 22:54
  Die. It was, said James Laugh, of any
• 22:57
  Doctor Who villain. Oh yes, it's great.
• 23:00
  Found it. Not only has he got a brilliant
• 23:02
  name, you know. Imagine going through life with
• 23:04
  a name like Valentine Dayal. No, Imagine going through that
• 23:08
  voice with that. Yeah.
• 23:11
  Just like what a what a guy I. Want to be fucking?
• 23:14
  Podcasting I would be in every audio book going.
• 23:19
  I'm sure, I'm sure my first girlfriend at school dressed
• 23:22
  like that at a Christmas dance when we started going at each
• 23:24
  other. Oh.
• 23:25
  Really. As in.
• 23:27
  As in as in Tegan, not as in do. You know, I'm super.
• 23:31
  Impressed by the racial representation?
• 23:33
  In that room of guess. There's.
• 23:35
  At least three Asian people in that room.
• 23:38
  Now if you could just give them a line, we'd be grateful.
• 23:41
  Yeah, you know, so it's what we do.
• 23:44
  It's what we do now to Joy, the modern Doctor Who.
• 23:46
  We are representative of different people and, you know,
• 23:51
  different genders and things like that, but we all have them
• 23:55
  on screen for five seconds and then they do nothing.
• 23:57
  We punch them in the face in episodes like Rosa, don't we?
• 24:00
  You know? Yeah, They get lots to do, Joe.
• 24:04
  Mark Stratford really does look like my other half when I
• 24:06
  squint, you know? I've seen him lost down a few
• 24:12
  hours if I want. Wow, oh wow.
• 24:18
  Also, you know, I was just thinking, Cameron, I was just
• 24:21
  thinking you'd look magnificent with a dead crow on your head.
• 24:25
  It's. A look what me.
• 24:28
  Yeah, I think you'd make a great black guardian.
• 24:30
  This is how we do things in the country, Joe, just.
• 24:34
  Find the dead crow on the roadside.
• 24:35
  Still find a. Dead crow on the roadside.
• 24:37
  I think you'd look gorgeous with a lovely crow.
• 24:40
  Not a crow, a pigeon. What?
• 24:42
  They're called a dove. A dove.
• 24:43
  This can be arranged, yeah. Can we?
• 24:47
  Try to play me and Leon for detail.
• 24:49
  Is the black guardian the white guardian?
• 24:52
  Wow. I like.
• 24:53
  I like how you got our sides picked.
• 24:55
  Yeah. Well, Ebony and ivory.
• 24:59
  He was trying to. Convince me before you turned
• 25:01
  up. That he was the moral compass of
• 25:03
  the Polish box. He's not such a thing.
• 25:06
  Are you having a laugh with me? We've long since corrupted him.
• 25:12
  The Polish box has not had a moral compass.
• 25:16
  Since episode 2. It has kind of snapped.
• 25:19
  Yeah, it's. It's a composite way, points one
• 25:21
  way, and that's the bad taste. Yeah.
• 25:23
  I think I've said it at least 50 times.
• 25:25
  You know this now. You know, it's great marketing.
• 25:28
  Perfectly fine, it's all right. Now if you could fucking return
• 25:31
  the favour and say. Hamster a blunt pen knife a few
• 25:33
  times on yours. We'll do that.
• 25:38
  We'll book it in. We'll book it in.
• 25:39
  Is Mark Strickson's going absolutely upshit during this
• 25:43
  whole scene? I.
• 25:44
  Do love that about him though. Brilliant look.
• 25:46
  At it doesn't hold back. There lies a pop, and the way
• 25:49
  that P Davison looks at him here like he's a kind of errant
• 25:52
  child, you know, he's just come back, you know, after you're
• 25:56
  disappearing, awaiting the football.
• 25:59
  Why, You know, it's why I think Strickson is actually probably
• 26:02
  better suited to Doctor Who than Davidson, because Davidson will
• 26:05
  do a cliffhanger where he has to bring it.
• 26:08
  Up and he'll just go, you know. Oh.
• 26:10
  Don't you understand? It'll mean the end of me as a
• 26:13
  Time Lord. In a very.
• 26:14
  Sort of cash way, whereas Strickson goes, you know I will
• 26:18
  never serve you again, which is the level.
• 26:23
  We need it's. Great with it.
• 26:27
  Rackles uses this place. But I suppose the contrast is
• 26:30
  quite nice if you have the two of them together.
• 26:33
  Yeah, just God let them have a. Relationship.
• 26:36
  Why do these people not have relationships in the 80s?
• 26:39
  It's so baffling. They're, they're slaves to the
• 26:42
  plot, aren't they? They are, yeah.
• 26:44
  Bye. And if it is character work,
• 26:47
  it's usually either. A family member that expires or.
• 26:53
  I don't know something from their past.
• 26:55
  So like Turlo's race, memory and frontiers or his back story in
• 27:00
  Planet of Fire? I wonder how much of this comes
• 27:03
  then it's able to because he scripted it right up until what,
• 27:06
  halfway through Colin Baker? And then immediately after that,
• 27:10
  when you get like Sylvester and Sophie together, no matter what
• 27:13
  you think of the actors, they've definitely got a chemistry in a
• 27:15
  relationship on screen. Excuse me?
• 27:17
  You get Colin and Ronnie first, you know?
• 27:21
  It's not like you to go into a Brown study, mail Brown study,
• 27:25
  she goes. It's a vocabulary of all time.
• 27:28
  So antediluvian. Bonnie Langford's Dirty Protest.
• 27:35
  There's an episode title. We've got so many today, so.
• 27:39
  Unfortunately I've just put them out under talks to the polys.
• 27:42
  Box about. On the case it must have been
• 27:45
  on, Joe Ford loses listeners. Oh, good grief.
• 27:49
  In a series of wonderful images that this story has, and we've
• 27:52
  named quite a few of them already, and scenes on the deck,
• 27:54
  the ships in space, all of it. I just think the tiara bomb is
• 27:59
  another banger of an image. That's an ideal.
• 28:04
  I like it. You get frozen in time unless
• 28:05
  you're wearing heels, in which case you just slowly roll back
• 28:08
  and forwards. I don't think Tegan gets very
• 28:11
  much to do in the next season. You know, they could have just
• 28:13
  blown her up here, couldn't they?
• 28:17
  Oh, bubbly, I don't know. I.
• 28:21
  Suppose this blow up Adrick so you know might not make it 2 for
• 28:23
  two. What's the strength of that bomb
• 28:26
  in the tiara? I think they can, small and
• 28:31
  mighty. It's not, it's not like the TR
• 28:34
  does the actual bomb, is it? It's what the laser focuses on.
• 28:39
  So it's the laser that does the damage.
• 28:40
  Oh. OK, I was just worried, you know
• 28:43
  that. Oh this line.
• 28:45
  Surrender Dr. or you will regret it.
• 28:49
  Resist any fur captain ratclass. Right.
• 28:53
  I'm just scared that if she blows up those boobs are going
• 28:56
  to literally like. Leap out and sock somebody in
• 28:58
  the face. Yeah, you might have lost a pair
• 29:00
  of us with this cliffhanger. Oh my God, look at Lee and.
• 29:05
  Cameron right now not. Even one of them are talking.
• 29:09
  They're both fucking hypnotized. By all the jugs on the screen,
• 29:14
  it's true what they say about the Scots.
• 29:15
  You know, good growth. What?
• 29:19
  Did what did. They say about the Scottish you
• 29:24
  love a. Juicy pear.
• 29:25
  They love, you know. You love a juicy pear.
• 29:29
  I mean, I mean, don't you love though, when the villains talk
• 29:32
  straight out the screen like that?
• 29:34
  Talking straight. To us, it's.
• 29:36
  It's nothing about a good four fall break, is it?
• 29:38
  It needs to be at least for. Example Lee.
• 29:41
  Oh what? Talking straight down the lens
• 29:44
  God, there must be loads this year.
• 29:47
  Oh, I thought of one Kane in Dragon Fire.
• 29:51
  At last the dragon fire shall be mine.
• 29:55
  That's. The the.
• 29:57
  The dude in keys about Ghazani that keeps turning round, The
• 30:02
  guy in the. Office and he's going.
• 30:03
  To what he doesn't know is that and all that kind of stuff.
• 30:08
  Best one is he? Goes.
• 30:10
  It could only have. Been the president.
• 30:12
  'S. Thank you.
• 30:14
  Thank you. Anyone else?
• 30:17
  Oh, the Valley does it, doesn't it?
• 30:19
  At the end of trial of a time, though?
• 30:20
  He just laughs. But.
• 30:21
  Yeah, it'll be an obvious one we're missing.
• 30:27
  Sure, I've just. Thought of one which isn't a
• 30:29
  villain, Rico. Roscoe's, you know.
• 30:31
  Whatever you've seen before, you ain't seen nothing yet.
• 30:35
  And he stares straight down the camera.
• 30:37
  So all these people complaining about Mrs. Flood, all right?
• 30:41
  It was fucking happening all the time.
• 30:44
  Anymore. Anymore, fellas?
• 30:45
  Oh. God, I've keep going.
• 30:46
  I. Was gonna say you're about
• 30:47
  positive you're a 300 and X plus.
• 30:51
  No, it's exactly frustrated cameras.
• 30:54
  Oh, Professor Zarov, of course. Nothing in the world.
• 30:58
  That's I was thinking, I was trying to remember the episode
• 31:00
  that was from the Azarov. But surely the master does it a
• 31:03
  lot? No, no.
• 31:06
  Now, if a master was going to do it, it'd surely be Eric Roberts.
• 31:09
  He must have a straight down the camera a moment.
• 31:11
  Oh my God, we've all forgotten Karamar and Tommy the Rani.
• 31:14
  She does it so many times. Pretentious is the word you
• 31:18
  know. Doesn't you just?
• 31:19
  Look at the camera at 1:00. Point and go, cretin.
• 31:27
  Oh sorry boys, Jesus Christ, there was many saying go to bed
• 31:30
  at 10, it's quarter past now, never cares who.
• 31:34
  Cares yeah, you won't get away with this one job I.
• 31:36
  Couldn't sleep when I'm dead. Well look, should we?
• 31:39
  Should we head into episode 4 and see how this RIP roaring
• 31:43
  story climaxes? Yeah, let's do that it.
• 31:49
  Was very reasonable response. Thank you.