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Kindergarten teacher found dead, plus Tori Spelling lives in mansion but hubby's a deadbeat dad?? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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  Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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  Speaker 1: XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Police are now calling
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  Speaker 1: the death of a Valley kindergarten teacher a homicide. Catherine
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  Speaker 1: Grossby disappearing last month after bailing Charlie Malison out of jail.
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  Speaker 1: Police believe she died shortly after that, and he continued
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  Speaker 1: on a crime spree across the state and some kind
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  Speaker 1: of romantic relationship, but the extent of it unknown even
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  Speaker 1: to her brother. She's trying to help out that sister,
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  Speaker 1: saying brother has long deal with drug and mental health issues. Quote,
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  Speaker 1: he's sick, He's really sick. Police finally caught up with
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  Speaker 1: him in Tucson, driving Katherine's car. Put hands up, Put
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  Speaker 1: your hands on the Launcher, get your knees. You get
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  Speaker 1: on your knees. A body just found has now believed
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  Speaker 1: to be that of a missing teacher, a kindergarten teacher.
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  Speaker 1: The case now called homicide. The body found in Mayor, Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: I Ncy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Police and Flagstaff now say they have
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  Speaker 1: found a body they believed to be that of a
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  Speaker 1: missing kindergarten teacher, Katherine Grossby in Mayor, Arizona. The teacher
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  Speaker 1: goes missing after she bails out a friend from jail.
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  Speaker 1: Flagstaff police Sergeant Corey Runge says there are details and
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  Speaker 1: correct directions that led authorities to the area in Mayor
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  Speaker 1: where the body was found. First of all, what do
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  Speaker 1: we know about this young lady? Cheryl White? Crime Stories
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter is with us along with Dr Daniel Bober,
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  Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrists, and veteran criminal defense attorney Troy Slate joining
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  Speaker 1: us out of l A to Alan Duke, what can
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  Speaker 1: you tell us about the victim, Catherine? What do we
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  Speaker 1: know about her? She taught at Glendale Elementary School and
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  Speaker 1: she also had part time job at a railway. What
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  Speaker 1: do you mean a railway. What what is that? It's
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  Speaker 1: a tourist railway where you take a scenic train ride.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay. So, according to Catherine's father, her real love
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  Speaker 1: was teaching children. That was what she wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: with her life. According to her dad, Raymond, she knew
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  Speaker 1: when she was in high school that she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be a teacher. Her whole life was about being a teacher.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't want to teach anybody more than kindergarten or
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  Speaker 1: first grade, and she loved dealing with children. Now, he
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  Speaker 1: wanted his daughter to move home to California, but she
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  Speaker 1: fell in love with a Grand Canyon State while attending
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  Speaker 1: the Arizona State University. She loved the weather, she loved
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  Speaker 1: the sunshine, she loved the area. She loved it there
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  Speaker 1: so much that she took a second job as a
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  Speaker 1: tour guide on the Grand Canyon Railroad in Williams. She
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  Speaker 1: she loved it. She loved passing on information and meeting
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  Speaker 1: all the people. She loved the outdoors. She loved hiking
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  Speaker 1: and camping with her dog. And I can't help but
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  Speaker 1: wonder if that is how she met this friend who
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  Speaker 1: had a theft charge that she picked up from jail.
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  Speaker 1: That's the last thing we know she did. Out to
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  Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist Dr Daniel Bober, you're hearing me tell you
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  Speaker 1: about her as a person. I doubt very much, Dr Bober,
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  Speaker 1: that she came in contact with this so called friend,
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  Speaker 1: a male friend at the kindergarten class. All right. It
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  Speaker 1: had to be when she was out and about hiking
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  Speaker 1: or at this Grand Central Railroad that she The Grand
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  Speaker 1: Canyon Railroad in Williams is a tourist thing. What do
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  Speaker 1: you think, Dr I agree with you, Nancy. I think
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  Speaker 1: that if she was working with tourists, she may have
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  Speaker 1: come into contact with him. It may have been sort
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  Speaker 1: of a transient situation where this is a woman who
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  Speaker 1: meets people from out of town all the time. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm getting at, Dr Bober, is how this
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  Speaker 1: has befallen her. For those of you just joining us,
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  Speaker 1: the body of this gorgeous young kindergarten teacher in Arizona
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  Speaker 1: has just been found. The last thing we know she
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  Speaker 1: did was pick up a friend that was bonded out
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  Speaker 1: of jail. Jail on a theft charge. That seems pretty mild,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it, Dr Bober. It's questionable to me, Nancy How
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  Speaker 1: good of a friend could this be if she was
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  Speaker 1: bailing him out of a jail of jail for theft.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how long she really knew him for now
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this to Troy Slayton joining us about
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon Railway. Millions of people around the world
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  Speaker 1: since it started have gone on it. And it's called
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  Speaker 1: the romance of voyage by train. That's what they say,
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  Speaker 1: where the person here's all the folklore and tails from
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  Speaker 1: a crew that can tell you anything you want to
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  Speaker 1: know about the incredible surroundings, you know, like the Old West,
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  Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon, all of that. And that was what
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  Speaker 1: she loved to do when she wasn't teaching. So, Troy Slayton,
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  Speaker 1: how did this guy get out of jail? What do
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  Speaker 1: we know about her so called friend? Troy Slayton actually
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  Speaker 1: bonded him out. He was in custody on theft and
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  Speaker 1: gun charges and she let him out of jail because
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  Speaker 1: it seems like they had some sort of romantic interest
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  Speaker 1: in each other. And there is nothing at this point
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  Speaker 1: that connects him to her disappearance, according to Troy Slight,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a romantic relationship between her and the
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  Speaker 1: so called friend, but that's not according to her family. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: Mice has had a big heart. She's trying to help
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  Speaker 1: out him. You know, if he's he was her boyfriend
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  Speaker 1: or not or just her friend. She she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: help someone that was having a hard time because she
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  Speaker 1: believed it was the way to help him turn his
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  Speaker 1: life around. Now, romance or no romance, What we do
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  Speaker 1: know is the missing teacher. Catherine bails him out. Bails
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  Speaker 1: him out. Now, what we think is that he took
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  Speaker 1: off in her car. Let me go back out to
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  Speaker 1: Sheryl White, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Why is it believed
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  Speaker 1: he carjacked her car after she bails him out. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there are reports out of Arizona that there was blood
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  Speaker 1: found and her blood found in her Rev four that
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  Speaker 1: he was driving when he was arrested. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to what we learned right after the arrest. He was
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  Speaker 1: in jail accused of stealing his sister's car. Back in
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  Speaker 1: August that sister Lauren Mossman spoke with me by phone
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  Speaker 1: saying her brother his long dealt with drug and mental
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  Speaker 1: health issues. Quote, he's sick, He's really sick. Mossman tells
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  Speaker 1: me her brother and Katherine Grossby met at a William's
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  Speaker 1: restaurant back in August, where Malson waited tables, which sparked
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  Speaker 1: a romantic relationship. After the August incident, Mossman tells me
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  Speaker 1: she did not want her brother bonded out of jail,
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  Speaker 1: but Grossby had a plan to get him back on
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  Speaker 1: his feet. Malson sister says her brother had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of problems. Quote, I knew he was going to snap,
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  Speaker 1: but I never thought he'd do this. It's unclear what
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  Speaker 1: specifically she's referencing, but says he cried while on the
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  Speaker 1: phone with her. Jail Sunday night, mails On and custody
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  Speaker 1: on unrelated charges, considered a suspect, and Grossby's disappearance, his
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  Speaker 1: sister telling me, quote, our hearts are with Catherine and
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  Speaker 1: her family. Mike Pelton, ABC fifteen Arizona officers arrested Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Melson after responding to the report of a possible stolen vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm learning to Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 1: He was bailed out by the missing teacher for carjacking
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  Speaker 1: his own sister. That's where the theft comes from. Carjacking
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  Speaker 1: on his own sister. The sister tells police he called
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  Speaker 1: her and told her the van, the keys, everything was that,
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  Speaker 1: the Canyon Club and Williams. She found that out and
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  Speaker 1: they found the car. Now that's what happened. Also, he
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  Speaker 1: had been carrying a loaded barretta nine millimeter handgun and
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  Speaker 1: that the gun was hot. I a stolen So let
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  Speaker 1: me understand something, Dr bober How does a beautiful young girl,
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  Speaker 1: a kindergarten teacher that works as a tour guide in
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  Speaker 1: her spare time fall for a creep like this? How
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  Speaker 1: does that work? Bober? Well, Nancy, you see it every
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  Speaker 1: day in society, women who seemingly have everything going for
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  Speaker 1: them going for people who have have low moral character.
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  Speaker 1: Of a lot of times it's because of self esteem
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  Speaker 1: issues and you know all the things that we hear
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  Speaker 1: in pop psychology going back to your childhood. So unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: very often the right people don't come into contact with
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  Speaker 1: the right people. Sometimes it's people like this. Well, this
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  Speaker 1: is what we know. Ever since Catherine gross Be bailed
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  Speaker 1: him out, she has not been seen since. And then
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  Speaker 1: her body turns up, you know, in the in this
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  Speaker 1: distant location and her car covered in blood. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we know right now, Cheryl White, what more can you
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  Speaker 1: tell me? Well, I can tell you that the same
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  Speaker 1: guy is also accused of assaulting a female student at
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  Speaker 1: Arizona State University in her dorm room. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a revolving door, Alan Duke, the student in
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  Speaker 1: her dorm room, the car jacking, the sister. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: body of this missing Arizona kindergarten teacher is found after
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  Speaker 1: she bails him out. He allegedly steals her car and
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  Speaker 1: uses all our credit cards and she ends up Dad,
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  Speaker 1: Alan do I was watching this interview of the sister
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  Speaker 1: of this man. Said he was sick, he was really,
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  Speaker 1: really sick. Said I knew he was going to snap,
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  Speaker 1: but I never thought he'd do this. And this is
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  Speaker 1: the guy's sister. But when she says sick, that she's
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  Speaker 1: just talking about he's on drugs. That's not a mental illness, allan.
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  Speaker 1: So she's saying, I knew he was going to snap,
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  Speaker 1: but I never thought he'd do this. So Daniel Bober
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  Speaker 1: helped me out with this volunteery. Use of drugs or
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  Speaker 1: alcohol is not going to be a defense, Daniel, correct, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what this guy has sounds a lot darker,
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  Speaker 1: a lot more sinister than just simple substances. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: sounding more and more like the guys a full blown sociopath.
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  Speaker 1: Given his history and what we're learning, Allan do is
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  Speaker 1: that they met at a restaurant near the railroad. This
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  Speaker 1: is according to that sister. She says it was her
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  Speaker 1: understanding that her brother met the teacher at a restaurant
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  Speaker 1: near the railroad in Williams, and that she befriended him
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  Speaker 1: and they became romantically involved, which led up to this tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, his history, his rap. She goes all the
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  Speaker 1: way back to we know two thousand and twelve, convicted
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  Speaker 1: of agg assault on a police officer resisting arrest. I
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  Speaker 1: mean when a cop tells you to stop, but your
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  Speaker 1: hands up, stop and put your hands up. Uh d
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  Speaker 1: you why the card jack of the sister, the alleged
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  Speaker 1: attack in a door room. It goes on and on
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  Speaker 1: and Dr Bober, I'm looking for answers. How could somebody
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  Speaker 1: like Catherine get mixed up with a guy like this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this is a career criminal. And what we know about
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  Speaker 1: people who have personality types like this, psychopathic personalities or
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  Speaker 1: antisocial um different terms for very similar things are they're
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  Speaker 1: very cunning, they're very scheming, and they're very charismatic, and
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  Speaker 1: people get taken in by them, like for example, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know Ted Bundy with someone who fit this type
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  Speaker 1: of personality, who was very cunning, very scheming. Women responded
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  Speaker 1: to him and he was you know, he knew how
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  Speaker 1: to sort of get them under his spell. So just
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sick about it, and her family is devastated.
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  Speaker 1: I e. Chase and deadbeat dads. But who would have
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  Speaker 1: thunk a multimillionaire family living in a what eight million
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  Speaker 1: dollar mansion? He's a deadbeat dad? I mean, I see, Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: This shows it doesn't matter how rich you are, how
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  Speaker 1: educated you are, how many children you have or don't have,
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  Speaker 1: what zip code you live in. They're deadbeat dad's everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tori Spelling's husband, now accused of failure
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  Speaker 1: to make a fifteen hundred dollar a month child support
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  Speaker 1: payment for his son from his first marriage. Now, remember everybody,
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  Speaker 1: Tori Spelling's husband was once happily married until he went
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  Speaker 1: to Canada. I believe it was Vancouver to shoot a
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  Speaker 1: made for TV movie, and there he met sim fatale
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  Speaker 1: TV star and multi millionaire Tori Spelling. Her father ere
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  Speaker 1: and Spelling made a slew of mega hits in Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: like Heart to Heart, Beverly Hills, nine O two one,
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  Speaker 1: oh elks terres Chuck, Radar online dot com. How many
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  Speaker 1: hits did Aaron Spelling? May I think that they intentionally
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  Speaker 1: have the biggest mansion in Hollywood. They had, They did
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  Speaker 1: the biggest mansion Holly was a one hundred million dollar house,
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  Speaker 1: the biggest thing you have ever seen. It had its
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  Speaker 1: own gift wrapping room. Aaron Spelling was the wealthiest man
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  Speaker 1: in Hollywood. He did also did Dynasty. He did every
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  Speaker 1: successful television show for decades, and then he dropped head
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  Speaker 1: suddenly and Tori's mom, Candy Spelling, cut her off. Aaron
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  Speaker 1: didn't leave his kids anything in the well. He left
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  Speaker 1: them like eight hundred thousand dollars, and Candy has since.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're saying that's nothing, because that
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  Speaker 1: sounds like a whole lot to me. What happened to
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  Speaker 1: that eight hundred grand? She spent it in a hot minute.
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  Speaker 1: That's almost a million dollars. Alexis Tourez Chuck, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what neighborhood you're living in, but a million bucks
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  Speaker 1: is a lot to me. Well, did poor little rich
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  Speaker 1: girl Tori Spelling? It was not It is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of money. It's a lot of money to me, But
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  Speaker 1: for someone who grew up in a hundred million dollar house,
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  Speaker 1: it's maybe one month of spending and that's what she did. So,
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  Speaker 1: Tori Spelling has five children with Dean McDermott, but he
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  Speaker 1: has a child from a previous his previous marriage. Has
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  Speaker 1: anybody told them where babies come from? I mean they
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  Speaker 1: This is what I know. Troyce Layton, high powered defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney joining me out of l A. Every time I
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  Speaker 1: turn on my ipadisee a new story about Tori Spelling
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  Speaker 1: not paying her bills, American Express suing her for like
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  Speaker 1: I gotta look it up, like eighty thousand dollars. This
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  Speaker 1: that they moved from house to house to house some
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  Speaker 1: people claim to avoid eviction. Don't know if that part's true.
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  Speaker 1: But they house shop all the time. They live in
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  Speaker 1: rentals that are like fifteen sixty thousand dollars a month rentals.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy owes her husband, he's got five children
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  Speaker 1: with her, but now he owes one hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: for years of not paying. No. No, Now, isn't it true,
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  Speaker 1: Troyce Layton, you're the defense lawyer that he was just
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  Speaker 1: in Iceland and Mexico with his wife on luxury vacations
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  Speaker 1: and he can't pay for his child by that first wife. Troy,
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  Speaker 1: what's your defense he's going to have to go before
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  Speaker 1: the judge in what's called in order to show cause
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  Speaker 1: recontempt and explain why he shouldn't be held in contempt
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  Speaker 1: for failing to keep the promise that he made to
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  Speaker 1: the court of pain at least fifteen hundred dollars a
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  Speaker 1: month towards that hundred thousand dollars arrears. Now all the
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  Speaker 1: money that Tory Troy Troy, I love the way said
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  Speaker 1: that the promise he made. When you say the promise
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  Speaker 1: he made to at least pay the fifteen hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: a month, you mean when his first wife brought him
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  Speaker 1: to court back in March and he was heading to
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  Speaker 1: jail for lack of payment, and he started crying. He
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  Speaker 1: started crying. Dr Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists joining us. Dr Bober,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all about showing your emotions, but Dr Bober, the
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  Speaker 1: man is sitting outside of court crying because he might
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  Speaker 1: be sent to jail. Like every other deadbeat dad in
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  Speaker 1: America is supposed to swearing, blubbering, snodding all over himself
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  Speaker 1: in front of God and everybody, as we like to
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  Speaker 1: say that he swears he's gonna pay the child support
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  Speaker 1: he swears, hello, he has not gotten a job, and
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  Speaker 1: in fact, he's been lounging in Iceland, in Mexico on
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  Speaker 1: luxury vacations. What about all those tears and so not?
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  Speaker 1: What happened to that bober Well and Nancy. It just
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  Speaker 1: goes to show you that it's a class Susan something
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  Speaker 1: you buy. This is not about how much money you have.
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  Speaker 1: This is about character and whether you're a dead beet
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  Speaker 1: dad and you make thirty dollars a year or you're
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: worth a hundred million dollars. It's about character and not
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: beating your responsibilities. And you know what, Troy Slayton, hold on,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I heard what you where you were heading with that?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: That's Tori Spelling's money. Now. I know Alexis Terreschuk said
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that Tory Spelling got cut off. But let me tell
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: you something, Slayton. Tori Spelling is not paying for that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: whatever fifty thou dollar a month mansion. She's just living.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: She just moved into by her yard. Still she has
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: in the front yard. Okay, can you hear me, Troy?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: That mom has got to be supporting her and she's
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: got all that pipeline of money coming in and can't
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: pay fifteen hundred dollars a month child sport. I'm the
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: only person I know, Troy, the only that paid my
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: student loan. I paid it for ten straight years, a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven dollars and eleven cents I still remember.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And I was rock bottom, broke poor, a mayor can express.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I had to contest their bills every month so I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: could get enough money scrape it together to pay him
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: at the end of the month. So I paid that
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: loan come hell or high water. In fact, I was
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: so used to paying it, overpaid him one month and
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: they sent it back to me. I framed at Troy,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: So why can't he scrape together the money for this child?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: The court's going to take into consideration all of his
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: other obligations and his income. What obligation other children? He
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: has five children with Tori, spelling that he's also responsible
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: for children six, specifically six children's son Liam ten, Finn five,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: both six months, daughter Stella nine, Hattie seven. My goodness,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: that's quite a brood again, did anybody tell them where
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: babies come from? You know, Alexis Toures chuck Radar online
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: dot com. Every time they have a new baby, don't
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they have like a photo shoot and there's the possibility
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: of a new reality show and and all of that.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: What's happening? Tell me about their money? These two are
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the I want to say, the hardest workers in Hollywood.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's right, because these two are constantly
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: trying to get themselves on another reality show so they
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: can eat together. But they do. You're exactly right. Tori's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: mom Candy through her a fifty thousand dollar baby shower
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for this last baby. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. I've got to get my producer, Jackie
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: up off the floor. Jackie, get up. Okay, you gotta
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: get back to work. Okay, put your flip flops back on,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: get back to work. Yes, she said, a fifty thousand
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: dollar baby shower. Why am I putting grapes and cheese
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: on toothpicks in the kitchen when I throw a baby shower.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: They had a fifty thousand dollar baby shower at the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: fanciest hotel in Beverly Hills with what what is that?
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: What's the fanciest hotel them? Hotel bel Air? Oh my okay,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: keep going, And it was over the top. Candy spared
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: no expense whatsoever. You know, these balloon arranged mean's candy, food,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: champagne for the non pregnant people, just an over the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: top party. And so Tori and her husband are constantly
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: trying to find something to make some money, and they
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: do all these they also take these trips for free.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: So that's what Dean's gonna say. He's so sneaky, He's
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: gonna say, well, we took all these trips for free,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and we just have to get free trips to Iceland.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I want to go to Iceland. Everybody's going to Iceland.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Now you need to go. The Real Housewives of Orange
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: County just went. I want to go see the Northern Lies,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: but I want to get back to the free party.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: That's what she does. She gets people because people care
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: about her. So she's got a following on Instagram and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: people pay her for things, and then she puts pictures
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: up online and she gets money. So she is working
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the system within that she works in. She knows how
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to exploit Hollywood because she's been in it for a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: hundred years. So she and her husband are definitely making money.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: How would those kids eat? They're constantly see them at
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Target with like three shopping cards worth of stuff targets
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: not giving them that stuff for free. They are spending
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: money that they are making, but they are not giving
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it to his son, you know, Dodger Daniel Bober forensic psychiatrists.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I think this is some sort of an illness because
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: when we go to target, um, I actually had to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: cut back our target trips. But when we go to target,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: right before we get to the check out, I go,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: everybody take two things out that we don't need, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that's a target for Pete's sake. What is this with
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the compulsive spending? Dr Bober, Well, you know, there's a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: principle in economics that says that people will tend to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: spend more on luxury items than necessities. So clearly their
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: priorities need to be rearranged because they're out of step
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: with reality. You know, I'm I'm looking at what the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: mom um the son Mary Joe used to says, quote,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: he bounces my son's tuition, is delinquent in paying my
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: son my son's therapist bills, while he shops visibly and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: throws lavish parties for his other five children. Okay, uh,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the the home is eight thousand dollars a month and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it right now. It's huge. There's a
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: giant tennis court, a pool house, a pool, another little house. Um, well,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: it's humongous. It's Where's Woodland Hills? Allen d What is
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Woodland Hills? That's where they live. Woodland Hills is right
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: next to Calabasas, you know, the famous area of the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Kardashians and a lot of other famous people live in.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: It's just out the one oh one. Well, I mean,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is it a nice area? What? What can you tell
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: me about it? Yes, there's some very nice areas of
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Woodland Hills. Uh, too expensive for my blood. Now I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: want to go back to Alexis Torres check Dan McDermott.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Tory Spelling's husband was just in court in March. Remember
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I told you out in the hall snodding and crying.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: What became of that? Wasn't that when the first wife,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Mary Joe Eustace took him to court to make him
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: pay child support or else go to jail? How did
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he manage to get out of jail that time? He
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: scraped together a couple of thousand dollars, which we can
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: only imagine came from Candy Spelling, his mother in law
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: because they don't have any money. But he you, he
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Tory are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. So
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: he just said, I don't have a single time to
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: give you. We just got sued by a bank saying
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: that we owe them two hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Wait, wait,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: what what a bank says they owe two hundred and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: eight five thousand dollars for what? For a loan that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: they took out that they never repaid. So they are
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: what's the phrase, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. They're
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: taking out bank loans from this bank to pay off
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: this credit card. I mean they have no money, is
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: what they say all the time. And that's what he
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: tells the judge. Daniel Bober, as much as I look
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: up to you, your last answer was very unsatisfied. Dr
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Daniel Bober. Psychiatrists joining me what I'm talking about? Well,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't really understand. I'm asking you about the compulsive spending.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Why people do it? Because according to sources, Tori Spellings
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: debt is massive and it seems to be that she
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: is buried under six figures. That's at least a hundred
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, but more like five or six hundred thousand
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: dollars of credit card debt and back taxes. I mean,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do is a massive
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: the tax man. I mean it's not the last, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: one of the last things I want to do. You
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: do not want the I R s three inches up
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: your tail pipe. You do not because they get a
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: hold of you and they won't let go. And once
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: they start on you, they stick with you for years
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to come. But they owe taxes and credit card debt.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that with all that money. Why, well,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy, compulsive spending, compulsive gambling, compulsive sexual behavior.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: It's really all about the same thing, which is using
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: behaviors to deal with uncomfortable feelings. So they're very well
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: might be some underlying mental illness, and Tori, she's using
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: these spending spreese to cope with these feelings that she's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: dealing with. What feelings? She's got five beautiful children, she
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: lives in a mansion, her mom gives her unlimited money,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and she's a TV star. What feelings are you talking
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: about that she's dealing with? Well, you know, Nancy, you
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: look around, you look over your shoulder. There's always someone
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: that has it worse off than you, and for some people,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: it's never good enough. It's never enough. It's that's something
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that's in their personality and their character, a sense of
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: entitlement and things that they never had that they well,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: this is what we know. Tori Spellings shame. Her husband
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: d McDermott's son bank account was drained and the dad
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: beat dad's i R S doing reports. The i R
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: S emptied the couple's bank accounts for years of unpaid
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: federal taxes, and that includes son Jack's savings also drained.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Alexis Terress, Chuck Radar Online dot Com,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Troy Slaton, Troy, when we are talking about this mountain
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: of debt, I mean, I don't see any way they
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: can declare bankruptcy, can they? They certainly can, However, there's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of requirements in order to do that. But
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: more importantly, Nancy, we don't have a debtors prison in
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: this country, and the court certainly isn't going to help
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: anyone by throwing Dean McDermott into jail, which is one
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: of the options available to the court if he doesn't
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: keep his promises. You know, I agree, we don't have
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a debtor's prison, but dead beat dads that don't support
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: their children, you know, just drop How is that going
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to drop off a pack of pamps on the front
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: porch once a month that doesn't work? How is that
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: going to help pay the bills putting him in jail? Well,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: when they get out of jail, they'll certainly be motivated.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: But this is nothing new for these two. Alexis Terress
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Chuck writer online dot com. A new lawsuit was filed
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: where City National Bank is suing them for failure to
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: pay on that loan you first talked about. According to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: l A Superior court documents, the couple board four hundred
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars from the bank. Not only that, there's a
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five thousand dollars plus additional interest um
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: going on. In another line, what about American Express? American
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Express said that they had not paid their bills. I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: believe that was to the tune of a hundred thousand dollars.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: They are literally maxing out every credit card, getting money
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: from every bank they will give them alone. And of
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: course people will probably give Tori Spelling Alan based on
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: what they think about her Hollywood image instead of actually
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: looking at her actual finances, which are in a terrible situation.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: And she is you know, she was even at the
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: pumpkin patch this last weekend. I've been to that pumpkin
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: patch one time. It is the most expensive pumpkin patch
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: you could ever imagine. I guess because she's a celebrity.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe she gets in for free, but she is gets
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that have a pumpkin patch where like a teeny tiny
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: pumpkin is fifteen dollars and it's outrage tory spelling. Inde
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: McDermott allegedly burned through eighteen million dollars in eight years.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Eighteen million dollars in eight years, according to Star. How
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: do they do it? This as they're being sued by
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: American Express for eighty seven thousand dollars of credit card debt.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: You know, Dr Daniel Bober, psychiatrists, you try to suggest
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: it was to salve some deep seated emotional issues. Bs Bober,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. You could say that about every
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: single person that's they can't pay their credit cards in America.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: There's a mental problem. I'm not buying that. Nancy. It's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a it's a spectrum. It comes in degrees. I'm not
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: saying that every person that can't pay their bills has
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: a mental illness. I'm just saying that in her case,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: this to someone that always grew up with great wealth,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and she probably never learned, uh to budget, and she's
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: not from a family that's approval. So I'm not saying
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that is necessarily mental illness. I'm just saying it's something that, uh,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: in her case, might be due to it. Well, all
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I know is the sun is standing by Troy Slayton
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: seeing lavish parties throw for the other five children while
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: his savings account was drained and his tuition payment bounced. Troy,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that's what he's going through. That's certainly not a good thing,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and I can't imagine how he must be feeling. However,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: you can't pay what you don't have. And although all
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: it may look lavish to the outside, that's not Dean
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: McDermott about getting a job, you thought of that. Troy's
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: getting a job, you know, working, you know that thing
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you do in court, the work thing. My dad who
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: worked for McDonald's flipping burgers. Yes, yes, anything, just work
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: for Pete's sake. Don't live off your wife like a leech.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Long story short, this is what I know, Alexis. You
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: met my father and my mother many times. My dad
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: would go to work at the real Road even when
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: he was having chest pains in the morning. My mom
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: never missed today's work. Why why both of them even
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: having second jobs? And if they can do it and
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I can do it, he can do it. So it's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: jail for him. That's my prediction. Well, it ain't over yet.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: There's even more in the sex assault investigations of Hollywood.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Haunch a Harvey Weinstein with me Alexis Tores Chuck right
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: online dot com Alexis, what's happening now? Well, Harvey Weinstein
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: officially resigned from his board the Weinstein Company. Even though
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: he was fired on October eighth. There was a board
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: meeting on Tuesday and he apologized. He actually said, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: have a real problem, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry for
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the trouble and confusion I've caused. He was apparently very contrite.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: He was on the phone from his treatment center in Arizona.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: He was treatment center. What he's entered treatment? What right?
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: That's I've got a treatment center form, it's the l
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: A County jail. How about that treatment center, Well, what
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: people are saying is is that it's a sex addiction
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: treatment center. Okay, wait a minute. Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Every time a rich guy gets busted for rape, sex harassment,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: sex assault, cheating, he claims he has an addiction. I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: have never bought into the sex addiction thing. I think
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: it's basically some people, if they can get away with it,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they do it. Well, you know what, Nancy, I, the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: American Psychiatric Association doesn't really recognize sex addiction as a
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: real illness. I do think some people exhibit compulsive sexual behavior,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: but I think in Mr Weinstein's case, I really see
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it as a complete cop out. I think this is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: just a guy who's really narcissistic and predatory and is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: self obsessed and feels like the rules don't apply to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: him and he can do whatever he wants. So I
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: think this is probably something that was generated by his
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: publicists and his lawyers uh to cover up for really
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: bad behavior that was totally willful on his part. Well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Alexa's Terress Chut with Radar Online dot Com psychologist and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: six therapists are now speaking out insisting that sex addictions
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: are not a real disorder, and the rehab cannot quote
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: treat someone accused of right this, After thirty war women
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and climbing have accused him of sex, harassment and or rape,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Weinstein changes his private jet route mid air and goes
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: to Wickenburg, Arizona for a thirty seven thousand dollars a
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: month treatment facility. The meadows where people like Tiger Woods
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and Kate Moscow, I mean Alexis, they have equine therapy.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You know where you go pet a horse. This guy
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: should have been charged with rape and let a jury
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: decide what really happened. I mean. Now they're multiple women's
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: women claiming he didn't just threaten me or chase me
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: around in his bathrobe, he raped me. Well, finally, it
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: looks like that some local law enforcement agencies in New York,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: they have said the Law Enforcement New York and says,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: we are investigating cases that are against him. We don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: care about statute of limitations. We don't think they apply here.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: We are looking into him, and they're talking about criminally
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: prosecuting him as well as the Los Angeles City Attorney
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Mike Fear announced he said, look, this is an epidemic.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: We want you to come forward. I understand this could
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: be tough. Come to the police. We are ready and
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: willing to prosecute not only Harvey Weinstein, but anyone else.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Don't be afraid because they want the people to come
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: forward because he's ready. Well, we now know if American police,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: such as NYPD, we're afraid to do anything to the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: mighty Harvey Weinstein. Even after they got one of his
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: alleged victims on a wire, getting Weinstein to basically admit
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: he had groped her against her will, they did nothing
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: about it. That's you, Manhattan District Attorney. Now Scotland Yard
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: is up his tail, Alexis. They are because there have
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: been multiple women in London who have said that Harvey
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: raped them, so they are looking into it as well.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: And this is such a good thing that so many
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: people feel so empowered after decades of silence to come forward,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and because for so long they had to hide it,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: because Harvey was the most powerful person in Hollywood, without
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: a doubt, And so they now are coming forward. They're
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: talking to their friends, their second publicly, and they're talking
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: to law enforce. When they're talking to the police, and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: there might actually be some legal repercussions for him. He
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: might actually get arrested and prosecute it for these crimes.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Many sex therapists and mental health professionals insist there's no
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: such thing as sex addiction, and, according to Dr Daniel
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Bober forensics psychiatrists joining me today, it is not recognized
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: as an official disorder by the American Academy of Psychiatry.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Son insists the quote diagnosis is used as an excuse
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: for people to just justify their bad behavior and their crimes. Um.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Dr Bober, you refer to compulsive acts. Compulsivity can span
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the boards. Like we're just talking about Tori Spelling compulsively
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: spending money. Now we're talking talking about Harvey Weinstein compulsively
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: sex harassing, assaulting, allegedly even raping women. It's compulsive. It's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: lack of impulse control. That is not a mental illness. Bober.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm gonna throw that detroite late and defense attorney,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: because this is going to turn into a mental defect. Defense.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a mental illness. Troice lightness. Well, if you
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  Speaker 1: can convince the jury that he, if there were to
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  Speaker 1: be a criminal trial, that he was unable to tell
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  Speaker 1: right from wrong. That could provide a defense. But the
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  Speaker 1: thing that concerns me is it seems like a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people jumping on a potential bandwagon for money. There's
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of civil suits from people like
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  Speaker 1: Gloria Allread and now somewhat disgraced um attorney Lisa blow
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  Speaker 1: Royce Light. You mentioned Gloria Allread, but and Lisa blame
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  Speaker 1: her daughter. Lisa cannot represent any of these victims ethically,
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  Speaker 1: becau cause I don't think she can because she briefly
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  Speaker 1: represented Weinstein. True, she ditched him, but she briefly represented him.
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  Speaker 1: But I can see Gloria representing many of these sex
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  Speaker 1: attack victims. I mean Harvey Weinstein's seeking sex addiction treatment. Seriously,
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  Speaker 1: what it is is misogyny and taking advantage of those
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  Speaker 1: weaker than yourselves. That is not a mental illness. Troy, So,
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  Speaker 1: how do you think this is going to line up
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  Speaker 1: in court? Because that's where it's added. Well, he is
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  Speaker 1: protected by what's called the statute of limitations, and many
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  Speaker 1: of these cases, many of them are so old that
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: they're what's called time barred. They're so old that he
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  Speaker 1: can no longer be prosecuted and the career prosecutors in
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: the Los Angele and the so far in Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 1: but in New York County they've declined to prosecute. These
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  Speaker 1: are career prosecutors who looked at the evidence compiled by
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  Speaker 1: the ny BED and said that there's not enough evidence
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  Speaker 1: to bring a criminal case. Okay, what what about this?
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  Speaker 1: Dr Daniel? But is with me, forensic psychiatrist. We see
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  Speaker 1: a long parade of men getting caught in this type
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  Speaker 1: of hypocrisy climbing. They've got sex addiction. Now, what Troy
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  Speaker 1: Slightness saying is that a statute of limitations may stop
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  Speaker 1: some women from coming forward because the cases are too old.
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  Speaker 1: But in New York and California and other states, there
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: is no statute on certain sex attacks, so even old
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  Speaker 1: cases can come forward. Dr boburg I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: comment on something that Troy had said. You know, in
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: terms of uh an insanity defense, clearly the difference between wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that he can use sex addiction as
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a defense because again, the behavior was wilful, it was volitional,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and he knew exactly what he was doing and why
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: he was doing it. Alexis toures Chuck Radar online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Isn't it true? Glory Alread just made
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a pretty interesting offer to Harvey Weinstein. What was it, Alexis?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: She said, Look, Harvey, there are gonna be a lot
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: of women that are gonna come forward. I've already had
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of women talk to me. What you could
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: do is you should go into arbitration or mediation, meaning
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: there are two options. He could go in front of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a judge, a neutral judge, with these women. You can
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: present your side, Harvey. These women will present their side,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: the judge will decide, and then if there's any sort
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: of payment that the judge feels you should be paying them,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you give them. Or another thing would be an arbitration,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: which would be again everybody would be involved, and a
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: settlement would be decided. She's telling Harvey, you're going to
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: lose when all of these people come forward, So do
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it now willingly, and it will probably be better for
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you and you can get your truth out there. You're saying,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: all of these people, this is all consensual sex. Nobody
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: did anything they didn't want to do. You're not guilty
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that come to come to a legal setting and get
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: your side out there, it would only be beneficial for
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: you when if you're telling the true. Well, as Dr
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  Speaker 1: Bober said very clearly, psychiatrists have long debated whether to
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  Speaker 1: include sex addiction as a real diagnosis in the d M. Well,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: let me just say it. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Mental Disorders is the d s M V and yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it has not been included on purpose. Now back
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: to what Gloria all Read has offered Weinstein, take a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: listen to feigned attorney Gloria Allread. A number of accusers
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  Speaker 1: have contacted me about their allegations, but I've had to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: inform them that the statute of limitations, that arbitrary time
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  Speaker 1: period set by law has expired and it is therefore
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: too late for them to assert a legal claim. Mr
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Weinstein could, however, decide that he would like to resolve
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: these allegations and waven agree not to assert the statute
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  Speaker 1: of limitations. That is exactly what we believe that he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: should do. Mr Weinstein may believe that some of these
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: claims are false, or he may believe that some are true.
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  Speaker 1: He may believe that he has not had his day
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: in court on these allegations, and that he has not
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  Speaker 1: been treated fairly. Many women who allege that they are
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: his victims feel the same way. I believe that there
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: is a way to provide justice for these alleged victims
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  Speaker 1: and for Mr Weinstein. I am inviting him to agree
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to engage in an arbitration of these claims with these
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: alleged victims and with an agreed upon retired judge. The
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: women could present their claims of sexual harassment, and Mr
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Weinstein can present his defense. If the judge finds in
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: favor of the victims, the judge could award damages according
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to proof at trial. If Mr Weinstein prevails, he would
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: be able to announce the result to the public. In
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the alternative, you could also agree to a confidential mediation.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: This is a process to resolve these claims, and if
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you don't believe it, take a listen for yourself to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: this undercover, secretly taped audio of Harvey Weinstein with one
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: of his alleged victims. I'm telling you right now, what
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: do we have to do here? Everything? I don't get
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a tak shower, you sit there and have a drink,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: don't drink, and I stayed on the bar. You must
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: have here now, please, I'm not doing anything like embarrassing.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know. Yesterday was a kind of
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: aggressive for I need to know a person. Think. Please,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I swear I won't just suit with meet. Don't embarrass
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: me in the hotel here all the time he listen
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: to me. I want to go downstairs, nothing to do,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: and you'll never see me again. Acts if you if
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: you embarrassed me, I'm not embarrassing you, just that I don't.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable. I mean, you don't have a
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: time with me before. Please, I'm not gonna do anything.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I swear my children. Please come in everything. I'm a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: famous guying, very uncomfortable coming now and one minute and
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: if you want to leave when the guy comes with
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: my ess today you touch my grace. Please, I'm sorry.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Just come on. I'm used to that. You're used to that,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you know, but I'm not used to that again. If
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you please, no, I don't want to you just snap
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: your embarras call me again. I'm sorry, do anything I know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: but I will never do another thing to you. Five minutes.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Don't win your friendship with me for five minutes. I know,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: but it's kind of like it's too much for you. Please,
• 46:51
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