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REPORTER STABBED AFTER VEGAS POLITICIAN SEX AFFAIR EXPOSE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a reporter stabbed dead, repeat,
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Speaker 1: stabbed dead after a Vegas politician's sex affair exposed. And
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Speaker 1: when I say exposed, I mean exposed. We have video
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Speaker 1: of this politician, you know, I hate politicians getting out
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Speaker 1: of his vehicle, like tucking his shirt in the front
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Speaker 1: and then the woman gets out basically adjusting her pantyhose.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with US.
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Speaker 2: Journalist Jeff German walks straight into an ambush attack. He
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Speaker 2: was stabbed four times in the neck and three in
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Speaker 2: the torso.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, just whoa whoa? Wait wait, headpounding again.
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing my pulse in my eyeballs. I'm need the
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Speaker 1: medical examiner. But hold on, before I go to Jaywan Jung,
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Speaker 1: Vegas senior reporter KT and V, let me go to
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Speaker 1: my longtime colleague, doctor Michelle dupri forensic pathologist, medical uh oh,
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Speaker 1: I see Troy Slayton already squirming in a seat, high
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Speaker 1: profile defense attorney. I beg you are squirming, doctor Dupree again,
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Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective, author her new book
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Speaker 1: Money Mischief, Murder, The Murdog saga. This is the one
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Speaker 1: that I'm most interested in. Homicide investigation field guide. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Dmichelle dupremd dot com. Okay, that aside,
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Speaker 1: did you hear that, doctor Dupree?
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Speaker 3: Four stabs to the neck?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have been on a lot
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Speaker 1: of crime scenes, but a stab to the jugular blood
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Speaker 1: spurts out like a water sprinkler everywhere.
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Speaker 3: Nancy, that's devastating.
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Speaker 1: I mean I opened this up, doctor Dupree, talking about
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Speaker 1: how you know we've got that video of the politician
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Speaker 1: getting out of his vehicle adjusting his clothes, and then
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Speaker 1: you see the woman I'll never forget at one of
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Speaker 1: my other TV homes, which she'll go unnamed. There was
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Speaker 1: an office affair of a big haun show, I might add,
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Speaker 1: and late at night he spotted walking through the knees
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Speaker 1: room and then followed in like thirty seconds later. That's
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Speaker 1: not obvious by the woman with her skirt still tucked,
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Speaker 1: Dancy Repenny hose. Guess what nobody said anything? She walked
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Speaker 1: through the whole newsroom like that. Okay, that said, Doctor Dupree.
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Speaker 1: Can I not think about her straightening her dress for
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Speaker 1: a moment? Back to the four stab ones to the neck.
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Speaker 4: Explain well, Nancy, as you've mentioned, that would have been
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Speaker 4: massive blood everywhere. I mean, as you said, it would
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Speaker 4: have spurted out. It would have been a horrible crime scene.
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Speaker 4: And then three to the back of the torso.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we've got the stabos to the neck and you
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Speaker 1: were saying, doctor dupree, what were the other wounds?
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Speaker 3: There were three to the torso as well. That's overkill.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot. It sounds almost like a frenzy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what do we know? Take a listen to Captain Dorry Kuran.
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Speaker 5: We began our homicide investigation about five days ago on Saturday,
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Speaker 5: September third. This was after we received a NAOI one
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Speaker 5: call of an unresponsive mail that was found on the
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Speaker 5: side of his home. Our preliminary investigation revealed that the
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Speaker 5: unresponsive mail was deceased as a result of stabbings. We
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Speaker 5: also determined pretty quickly that the victim was Jeff German.
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Speaker 5: Jeff Garmmon's a well known investigative reporter, and that was
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Speaker 5: taken into account immediately.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make sense of what we're learning
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Speaker 1: right now. Preliminary rests stigation reveals unresponsive mail already de
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Speaker 1: ceased with four sad ones to the neck, including the
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Speaker 1: jugular running right here. That goes without saying already de ceased.
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Speaker 1: He didn't make it to the hospital. We determined quickly
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Speaker 1: the victim was Jeff Garman, well known investigative reporter, and
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Speaker 1: that was taken into account immediately. Translation they knew exactly
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Speaker 1: who the victim was. Okay, what do we know about him?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Vanessa Murphy klastv.
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Speaker 6: Jeff Garman, longtime Las Vegas reporter, was originally at another
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Speaker 6: newspaper here, then went to the Review Journal for at
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Speaker 6: least the past decade. Well respected. I know his colleagues,
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Speaker 6: they had nothing bad to say about him. Just a
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Speaker 6: tenacious reporter. And as an investigative journalist, oftentimes we are
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Speaker 6: uncovering truths that people do not want to be uncovered,
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Speaker 6: and he was doing that on a regular basis.
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Speaker 7: But that's part of the job.
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Speaker 6: And I think it's interesting that his colleagues say that
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Speaker 6: he never felt like he was in immediate danger at
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Speaker 6: the time.
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Speaker 1: Joining me Jaywan June Senior reporter or senior investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: k t In the ABC affiliate Vegas, jay One, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. You know what photo I
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Speaker 1: like the most of our victim, Jeff German, The one
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Speaker 1: of him smiling. It looks like a headshot that he
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Speaker 1: may have had taken because it looks like he's just
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Speaker 1: about to break into laughter, like he's just holding it
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Speaker 1: in long enough for the camera to click. And that's
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Speaker 1: what I have learned about him during this investigation, that
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Speaker 1: all the other reporters loved him, that's who he was,
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Speaker 1: and he had no idea that in his diggie he
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Speaker 1: was going to end up did.
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Speaker 8: I think it's really interesting that Las Vegas Review Journal
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Speaker 8: editor in chief Glen Cook even said that when German's
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Speaker 8: murder happened, so many people could have wanted him killed
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Speaker 8: because he did expose corruption in Las Vegas for so long,
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Speaker 8: for pretty much four decades.
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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, a jay One, you stated
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Speaker 1: uncovering corruption, Now, well, that means in my mind, I've
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Speaker 1: prosecuted a lot of homicide cases. But when you're dealing
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Speaker 1: with players that are powerful, that can pull strings, that
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Speaker 1: will have prestige, money, position lost if their secrets are uncovered,
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Speaker 1: that's deadly. That's like playing with a rattlesteak. What do
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Speaker 1: you mean this guy uncovered corruption?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Jeff Garman was known as the mob reporter in
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Speaker 8: Las veg Vegas, and he wanted to expose corrupt politicians.
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Speaker 8: That was sort of his whole beat while he was
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Speaker 8: at the Las Vegas Review Journal.
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Speaker 1: Explain, like what he.
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Speaker 8: Wanted to see if there was any turmoil in workplaces.
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Speaker 8: He wanted to see if politicians were abusing their power,
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Speaker 8: and he wanted to uncover that and expose that to
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Speaker 8: the people of the Las Vegas Valley.
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Speaker 1: Guys, what do we know about this reporter fining those
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Speaker 1: in power that he believed were corrupt? And what do
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Speaker 1: we know about his murder?
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Speaker 5: Listen, the suspect was wearing an orange shirt with reflective.
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Speaker 3: Stripes, a straw hat, and was.
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Speaker 5: Carrying a Duffel bag and what was likely an attempt
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Speaker 5: to either disguise his identity or conceal his identity.
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Speaker 1: Okay, joining me right now. Troy Slayton, high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: out of La hold On, Troy, can I see a
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Speaker 1: picture of this? The captain had it right beside him
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Speaker 1: as he was giving the press release. The perp is
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Okay, you might as well take an
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Speaker 1: ad on Third Avenue. Look at me, this is some
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Speaker 1: get up reflective strips. Look look at the video. You
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Speaker 1: think nobody's going to notice that, TROYE.
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Speaker 3: Layton. It looks like a worker on the street that
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Speaker 3: you would see in construction sites all over the Las
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Speaker 3: Vegas area.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't to me, wearing a giant straw hat doing
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Speaker 1: what No, what in a huge duffel bag. Why do
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Speaker 1: you say that? Looks like a normal worker on the
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Speaker 1: side of the street.
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Speaker 3: Person's wearing gloves. It looks like they have work pants,
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Speaker 3: a hat on, reflective vest. Looks like a construction worker,
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Speaker 3: or a street maintenance worker, or any number of construction
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Speaker 3: workers that you'd see in the Las Vegas area.
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, what more do we know about this suspect?
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Speaker 1: In quite the get up.
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Speaker 5: We also know that the suspect was walking westbound approaching
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Speaker 5: Garman's home on Friday, September two, the day prior to
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Speaker 5: us being notified. On that morning, he approached mister Garman's
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Speaker 5: home and went to the side of the house. Shortly after,
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Speaker 5: Garriman came outside of the garage door and then went
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Speaker 5: to the side of the house and ultimately an altercation
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Speaker 5: took place between the suspect and the victim.
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Speaker 7: Our victim was stab multiple times.
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Speaker 1: So too you. Erv Brandt joining US former Senior Inspector
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Speaker 1: with the US Marshall Service, the International Investigations Branch Chief
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Speaker 1: Inspector also DOJ Office International Affairs and ATSJA across the world,
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Speaker 1: and he has just released his fifth novel in his
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Speaker 1: Jack solo series. Wow, I want to who that's patterned
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Speaker 1: after Forever Solo Night of the Dragon. Erv, thanks for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Can we look at this guy one
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Speaker 1: more time? He's wearing bright orange. You don't usually see
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Speaker 1: burglars wearing bright orange, a big straw hat, drawing attention
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Speaker 1: to himself himself. So what do you make of this?
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Speaker 1: And we know he was walking westbound approaching German's home
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Speaker 1: on Friday, the day prior to police being notified.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, I hate to agree with defense counsel, but I
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Speaker 9: live in Las Vegas. This is what you see every
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Speaker 9: day on the streets of Las Vegas. If you want
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Speaker 9: to go unnoticed, the lawn care workers wear bright colors
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Speaker 9: to reflect the heat. If you want to go unnoticed
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Speaker 9: and especially disguise your appearance with that hat.
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Speaker 3: That's the way to go.
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Speaker 2: This suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a
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Speaker 2: road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw
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Speaker 2: hat and gloves, approaching German's home and.
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Speaker 1: Stalking the reporter's home the day before. This is what
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Speaker 1: more we've learned.
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Speaker 5: On day two of our major case protocol, we developed
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Speaker 5: a very critical lead, which was a vehicle that we identified.
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Speaker 5: It was a maroon colored gmc denali that was suspiciously
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Speaker 5: driving around in the neighborhood on the morning of the
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Speaker 5: murder prior to the murder and then certainly was there
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Speaker 5: at the time when the murder happened. That vehicle had
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Speaker 5: stopped multiple times throughout the neighborhood and was behaving suspiciously
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Speaker 5: or was suspicious. So we determined that the suspect wearing
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Speaker 5: the orange shirt had fled in that vehicle, which connected
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Speaker 5: the vehicle to the suspect.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, this is reminding me,
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Speaker 1: I'm a fingerprint. The glam yoga instructor, remember her, Titlin
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Speaker 1: Armstrong who stalked her victim, a world class dirt bike
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Speaker 1: rider up and coming, and she stalked her all the
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Speaker 1: way to a friend's home and was caught because of
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Speaker 1: her vehicle. There you see it. There is Kaitlin Armstrong
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Speaker 1: very slowly circling like a vulture around Mariah's, the place
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Speaker 1: that she's staying in town for a competition, and there
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Speaker 1: you go, spot it, bust it. So in this particular case,
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Speaker 1: we see a getaway car. Could I see that the
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Speaker 1: gmc denali maroon in color suspiciously driving through the neighborhood
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Speaker 1: same way as Kaitlin Armstrong the morning of the murder
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Speaker 1: prior to the murder, and at the time the murder happened,
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Speaker 1: the vehicle stopped multiple times, and that is suspicious.
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Speaker 3: That's suspicious.
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Speaker 1: Now, Troy Slayton is going to tell us how it's
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Speaker 1: not suspicious at all, but it is. How arrogant is this?
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Speaker 1: Just like Caitlin Armstrong, You think you can pull up
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Speaker 1: to a murder saying and you're big honk and maroon
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Speaker 1: gmc denali and nobody notices.
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Speaker 10: And how about Brian Coberger who just turns his phone
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Speaker 10: on and off and has the white car that he
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Speaker 10: drives around with. It is arrogant, Nancy. This gives us
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Speaker 10: really good insight into the psychological profiles of this perpetrator
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Speaker 10: of Caitlin. They feel that they're above the law. They
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Speaker 10: don't think that anybody can see what they're doing. I
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Speaker 10: doubt that this perpetrator rented this Denali in order to
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Speaker 10: commit the crime. This is probably his own car. This
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Speaker 10: is easily traceable. So when we think about what Garman
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Speaker 10: was reporting on, I think what we're going to discover
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Speaker 10: that whatever crime or whatever story he was in the
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Speaker 10: process of uncovering, it was so blatant, so transparent, that
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Speaker 10: he had multiple people coming forward. And you know, I'm
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Speaker 10: wondering if there was another twist and turned to the
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Speaker 10: plot of what Garriman was reporting on, like what was
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Speaker 10: the next big news that was about to come out?
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Speaker 10: That this perpetrator is so frenzied in his attempt to
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Speaker 10: kill the reporter.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the car, let me go to IRV Brant,
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Speaker 1: who has tracked down people all over the globe. Could
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Speaker 1: I see the video in the parking deck where the
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Speaker 1: county official is getting out and adjusting his clothes, and
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Speaker 1: then I believe she's an employee, gets out. They're trundling
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Speaker 1: forward out of the back seat of the Denali. Gee,
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Speaker 1: I wonder what they were doing back there. Okay, wait
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Speaker 1: for it. The point is not him and her adjusting
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Speaker 1: their clothing. But hey, this video for my friends at
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Speaker 1: the Vegas Review Journal IRV Brant. How many perps make
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Speaker 1: it just so easy?
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Speaker 9: You're exactly right, Nancy. They're very few evil geniuses. Criminals
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Speaker 9: don't tend to be smart. That's why they're criminals. And
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Speaker 9: driving a vehicle associated with you, something that you've been
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Speaker 9: seeing driving all the time, driving it to a crime
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Speaker 9: scene or a potential crime scene something you intend to
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Speaker 9: do is just a massive mistake and police work we
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Speaker 9: call this a clue.
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Speaker 1: So I guess Troy Slayton, criminal defense Atorney joining Us
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Speaker 1: out of LA will say that it's not suspicious for
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Speaker 1: you to drive round and around the neighborhood, stopping in
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Speaker 1: front of the victim's home.
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Speaker 3: Well, that certainly could be suspicious, but there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of strange things involved in this case, including the allegation
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Speaker 3: of police possibly even planting evidence. Somebody driving around in
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Speaker 3: a neighborhood is not suspicious, And so I think that
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Speaker 3: you're allowed to drive your vehicle anywhere. And this person
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Speaker 3: was writing a story. This is an investigative reporter writing
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Speaker 3: a story about this person, so maybe he does want
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Speaker 3: to get some information about the reporter.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll just say that we've got Caitlin Armstrong's vehicle
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Speaker 1: caught on surveillance video going around and around and around
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Speaker 1: her victims home. We also have let's think Rex Huerman,
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Speaker 1: is he ringing a bell? The alleged Long Island serial
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Speaker 1: killer who always drives his Chevy Avalanche, his green Chevy
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Speaker 1: Avalanche to various locations connected to a series of brutal
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Speaker 1: murders of escorts, and what he thought nobody would notice?
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Speaker 1: And even when the bodies were being found along Gilgo Beach,
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Speaker 1: what was parked in the front of his house Chevy Avalanche.
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Speaker 1: See that's too. And another just recently, a young wife
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Speaker 1: gunned down abound six point fifty a m setting up
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Speaker 1: a yard sell outside her home and with her ring
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Speaker 1: doorbell camera working, you see the perp going back and
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Speaker 1: forth in front of the house. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: bottom line, it's age old, tried and true investigative work.
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Speaker 1: But let's talk about motive for one moment. Let me
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Speaker 1: get off the car, the vehicle spotted outside the murder scene,
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Speaker 1: and talk about motive. Listen.
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Speaker 6: In this video, we see a car parked in I
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Speaker 6: believe a mall parking.
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Speaker 3: Garage, and it appears that.
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Speaker 6: A Clark County Public Administrator, Robert Tellis, is in the
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Speaker 6: back seat with one of his employees. They are back there.
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Speaker 6: We see some movement. He gets out of the right side,
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Speaker 6: she gets out of the left, sort of poultry skirt.
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Speaker 1: Down to Jaiwan John joining us investigatory report kt n V.
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Speaker 1: They're in Vegas. It's not just an alleged office affair,
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Speaker 1: although I do believe the so claimed mistress is listed
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Speaker 1: as a witness on an indictment, which tells me there
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Speaker 1: may be fire where we're claiming we see smoke. It's
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Speaker 1: not that German was totally interested in some office romance
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Speaker 1: or some illicit sex affair. It was much deeper than
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Speaker 1: that what German was investigating.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. There were several workers.
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Speaker 8: At the Clark County Public Administrator's office who claimed that
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Speaker 8: because of Tellus, the office was in turmoil. They claimed
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Speaker 8: that Tellis was power tripping and that he creating a
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Speaker 8: hostile work environment, and they actually brought it up to
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Speaker 8: Clark County to try and get these problems addressed. But
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Speaker 8: because they weren't listening to their issues, the public Administrator's
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Speaker 8: office workers decided to take their concerns to Jeff Gearman,
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Speaker 8: and they said that Jeff Gearman was the one person
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Speaker 8: who listened to them.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, are you telling me, Jaywan that the
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Speaker 1: employees and the staff that worked there.
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Speaker 3: Had tried to bring.
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Speaker 1: It up, had tried to get it fixed, that worked under.
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Speaker 7: Robert Tellis, Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 8: They did try to take their concerns to Clark County,
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Speaker 8: but they said that the county didn't listen to them,
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Speaker 8: so they decided to take their concerns to a reporter.
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Speaker 2: The suspected killer caught on surveillance video dressed as a
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Speaker 2: road worker donning an orange work shirt, a wide straw hat,
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Speaker 2: and gloves approaching German's home.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know. We know that this Vegas
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Speaker 1: official is accused. I'm not just a sex affair with
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Speaker 1: an employee, that's bad enough, but an a so called
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Speaker 1: toxic workplace where employees were mistreated and bullied. When employees
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Speaker 1: asked for a change, asked for improvement, no one would listen.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that one politician not calling the other
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Speaker 1: one on foul play.
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Speaker 3: Nothing was done.
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Speaker 1: There was no change at all. So whether they do
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Speaker 1: they call an investigative reporter, they call Jeff German, well
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Speaker 1: known in the area for busting corruption in the government.
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Speaker 1: There he is, He's dead. It's not just about out.
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Speaker 1: A toxic affair is so much deeper than that. Listen.
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Speaker 6: Robert Tellis sort of started on this is an office
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Speaker 6: with a history of problems, and he would come in
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Speaker 6: and help clean it up. And what employees told the
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Speaker 6: Review Journal is that did not happen. And it seems
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Speaker 6: that issues continued and he was he's their boss, and
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Speaker 6: sort of bullied employees and made things even worse.
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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Jaywan Juhn joining us KT in
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Speaker 1: the explain to me what exactly was alleged about the
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Speaker 1: office and what did this mean to Robert tell Us?
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Speaker 3: What was his position?
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Speaker 8: Robert Tellis was the county public administrator, which a lot of.
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Speaker 7: People will be like, well, what is a county public administrator?
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Speaker 8: It is a low level elected official basically the person
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Speaker 8: who oversees the estates of a person who passes away
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Speaker 8: and determines the next of kin. And yeah, people in
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Speaker 8: his office said because of this alleged affair that was
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Speaker 8: happening in his office. He was asserting favoritism towards one
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Speaker 8: certain employee. Rita Reid, who's the current county public administrator,
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Speaker 8: actually said that she was one of the supervisors in
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Speaker 8: the office, but as soon as Robert Tellis came in
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Speaker 8: as the Clark County Public Administrator, he allegedly told her
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Speaker 8: that no one would be reporting to her anymore and
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Speaker 8: that everyone would be just reporting to him.
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Speaker 3: Jaiwan Juhn.
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Speaker 1: We have a photo of him standing posed with a
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Speaker 1: woman and three children.
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing that's his wife.
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Speaker 7: Yes, that's correct, So.
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Speaker 3: He had a lot to lose.
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Speaker 1: Now you referred to him as a low level county official.
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Speaker 1: What exactly did his office do?
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Speaker 8: So his office oversees the estates of people when they
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Speaker 8: pass away, and they determine who the next of kin
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Speaker 8: is so.
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Speaker 7: That they could safeguard the deceiven's property.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's worth killing over.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about this, Jaywan, I understand that, Hey, the
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Speaker 1: low level county official. Tell Us had been railing against
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Speaker 1: Jeff German for months, really attacking him in an angry
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Speaker 1: series of messages on social media.
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Speaker 8: Why so, Jeff Gearman's first article that came out about
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Speaker 8: tell Us' work environment was I believe in May of
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Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, and I think the headline is something
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Speaker 8: like tell US's office is mired in turmoil. Then soon
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Speaker 8: after that a coroner came in to basically supervise the
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Speaker 8: office and determine if there is corruption going on in
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Speaker 8: the office.
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Speaker 7: And then just a few weeks after after that, Tellus lost.
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Speaker 8: His reelection bid in the primary row, so he was
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Speaker 8: not going to be Clark County Public administrator anymore.
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Speaker 1: So He's got a wife with three children. He has
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Speaker 1: a series of stories written by German exposing turmoil within
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Speaker 1: his office and claims he was having an affair with
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Speaker 1: an employee. He also has about one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 1: thousand dollar salary that's going right down the crapper. So
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Speaker 1: he starts retaliation online, attacking German with a series of
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Speaker 1: angry and explosive postings. What would the postings say, Jay?
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Speaker 8: One the postings with saying something like German is a liar,
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Speaker 8: that he's not telling the truth. Yeah, you could see
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Speaker 8: it in those pictures right there, saying that he's looking
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Speaker 8: forward to lying. Smear piece Number four clearly tell Us
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Speaker 8: seemed pretty disgruntled by the articles that Jeff German wrote
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Speaker 8: about him.
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Speaker 1: Now he gets thrown out of office and all this
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Speaker 1: comes out about his affair, his alleged affair.
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Speaker 3: But isn't it true?
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Speaker 1: A woman named Roberta Lee Kinnett where the husband and children,
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Speaker 1: is listed on the indictment as a witness.
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Speaker 8: Sitting in on the jury selection for the last few days.
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Speaker 8: I can tell you she is listed as a witness
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Speaker 8: who is expected to testify and trial to Troy.
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Speaker 1: Slaton joining us high profile lawyer out of La Troy.
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Speaker 1: Typically a witness list is typed on the back of
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Speaker 1: an indictment. Why so the defendant when the indictment is
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Speaker 1: read out loud in court at what we call an arrayment,
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Speaker 1: and a copy of that indictment is physically handed to
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Speaker 1: either the defendant or hiss or defense attorney, they can
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Speaker 1: see pursue it to the sixth Amendment, So far that
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Speaker 1: juncture who the witnesses will be against them that the
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Speaker 1: state is intending to call. Now that witness list can
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Speaker 1: be added. You don't have to state doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: call all of those witnesses, but you've got to give
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Speaker 1: those witnesses and a way to reach them to the
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Speaker 1: defendant and or his lawyer.
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Speaker 3: Correct, that's correct, Nancy. Or sometimes if it's not attached
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Speaker 3: to the indictment, it's attached to the police report, which
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Speaker 3: is given to the defendant at the time of the arrayment.
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Speaker 3: The arrangment is the fancy legal word for hearing what
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Speaker 3: the charges are against you and having the opportunity to
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Speaker 3: enter a plea. In this case, he's entered a plea
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Speaker 3: of not guilty. He's maintained his innocence, and he's been
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Speaker 3: held without bail since the time of his arrest. And
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Speaker 3: he's claiming here that at the time he was arrested
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Speaker 3: that the police were engaged in some shenanigans. Specific they
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Speaker 3: magically lost the video, the bodycam video the defense attorneys
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Speaker 3: rely on, that courts rely on it magically disappeared and
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Speaker 3: it is not available to the defense to be used
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Speaker 3: in this case.
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Speaker 1: Okay, great, did I ask you about the bodycam video
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Speaker 1: because I'm going to give you a great opportunity to
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Speaker 1: scream about what the police have done wrong. But I
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Speaker 1: don't think they've got anything to do with those four
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Speaker 1: stabs to the jugular vein. But what I'm asking you about.
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Speaker 1: Let me redirect your attention to the question I asked you, Troy,
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Speaker 1: which I know you're trying to avoid. What do you
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Speaker 1: think he thinks when he looks down at that indictment
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Speaker 1: list and he sees the namer BERTI Lee Kinnett, a
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Speaker 1: woman alleged to have had an inappropriate relationship with him.
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Speaker 1: Tell us out that must have.
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Speaker 3: Hurt or she might be a helpful witness. Who knows.
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Speaker 3: We won't know until his attorney is able to test
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Speaker 3: her right a bill. He's on the state's witness list.
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Speaker 1: I doubt she's going to be helpful to him.
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Speaker 3: Well, she might be on cross examination.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're right.
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Speaker 3: Things can turn on a dime when a good criminal
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Speaker 3: defense attorney engages in cross examination crime stories.
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Speaker 1: With Nancy Grace, we were just talking about the alleged
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Speaker 1: other woman, ROBERTA Lee Kennett, the one with the wife
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Speaker 1: and the two children. Not judging, don't care. All I
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Speaker 1: care about is solving this murder. We know that she
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Speaker 1: was transferred to another county office, but I understand that
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Speaker 1: she was an estate coordinator in public administration under Robert
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Speaker 1: Tellus's rule, so she would have been working there now
28:54
Speaker 1: to doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't want to hear any
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Speaker 1: trashing of this woman. You know why, because her boss
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Speaker 1: apparently was instigating an affair with her.
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Speaker 3: Is it wrong?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, that's for her and her husband to work out.
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Speaker 1: But when your boss is making advances on you, not me,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of women would think they had to
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Speaker 1: go along with it to keep their job. And I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that's what happened here, but I am saying
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Speaker 1: he was her superior Nancy.
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Speaker 10: The responsibility lies squarely with him. He's at the boss
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Speaker 10: and in terms of approaching her for an affair, this
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Speaker 10: is an abuse of power. When there's a power differential
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Speaker 10: between two people and there's an affair, the first thing
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Speaker 10: I always think is that the person with the less
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Speaker 10: power really felt.
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Speaker 1: Afraid to say no.
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Speaker 10: Again, we don't know for sure that that's a fact,
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Speaker 10: but that is a great possibility.
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Speaker 7: Nancy.
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Speaker 10: Robert Teller seems to display so many traits that are
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Speaker 10: typical of sociopaths, for instance, lack of cause and affair thinking,
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Speaker 10: driving back and forth with the Denali and walking down
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Speaker 10: the street with that strange get up that he thinks
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Speaker 10: he's not going to be caught manipulativeness. He seemed to
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Speaker 10: be quite manipulative in his office, gravitating towards positions of power.
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Speaker 10: Think about it, he had access to power, sex, and
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Speaker 10: money through his job. And most of all, with sociopaths,
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Speaker 10: what you see is a thin veneer of affability, Like
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Speaker 10: they look sort of friendly on the surface, but it
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Speaker 10: hides a cold, calculated interior. So here he's this public official,
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Speaker 10: he's running for office, but all these vengeful texts that
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Speaker 10: he's putting out there really display who he is as
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Speaker 10: a person, and that's someone who plots and plans and
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Speaker 10: who is quite vengeful.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the hard evidence.
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Speaker 5: Listen, there was a vehicle that matches suspects the vehicle
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Speaker 5: description in that maroon gmc Denali that was parked in
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Speaker 5: front of Tellus's home. It was registered to his wife,
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Speaker 5: and then we ultimately developed video evidence to show that
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Speaker 5: that vehicle, the gmc de Dolli park in front of
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Speaker 5: tell US's home, had departed around nine am in the
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Speaker 5: morning on the day of the murder and returned around
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Speaker 5: twelve pm just after the murder, which matched our timeline.
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Speaker 3: So wow, he tricked me.
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Speaker 1: He used his wife's car. Okay, it's not just.
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Speaker 3: About the car. There's more.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 5: We recovered a pair of shoes that match the suspects description.
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Speaker 5: There's a parent blood on the shoes, and the shoes
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Speaker 5: were cut, likely in a manner to try to destroy evidence.
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Speaker 5: We recovered a straw hat that was also cut in
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Speaker 5: a manner that was likely to destroy the evidence. And
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Speaker 5: that straw hat, as you can see, matches the one
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Speaker 5: in the photo. And we received positive DNA results that
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Speaker 5: showed Robert tell us his DNA at the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: Troy Slyton, you still want to tell me that straw
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Speaker 1: hat doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: No, it might matter, and it might have been planted
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Speaker 3: by the police. So, and that's not unheard of in
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Speaker 3: this country that the police, when they've got somebody that
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Speaker 3: they want to they believe is their purp as the
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Speaker 3: term you like to use, they may want to make
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Speaker 3: their case stronger by leaving some evidence and by getting
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Speaker 3: rid of other evidence, which we know for a fact
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Speaker 3: in this case, they magically lost all the video of
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Speaker 3: his arrest. So is it really such a stretch to
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Speaker 3: think if they're willing to lose important arrest video in
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Speaker 3: this case, they might be willing to place some other
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Speaker 3: incriminating evidence.
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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you just said that because Jaywan John
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Speaker 1: joining us KT and V.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it true? When tell Us.
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Speaker 1: Finally gets arrested for the murder of journalist Jeff German,
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Speaker 1: he has to be carried away on a stretcher. Talk
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Speaker 1: about a drama, queen, Are you serious? What hyperventilates and
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Speaker 1: falls onto a stretcher. The guy is dead from four
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Speaker 1: stab wounds to the neck and to the torso, and
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Speaker 1: this one what loses his breath and has to be
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Speaker 1: taken away on a stretcher.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he was taken away on a stretcher and police
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Speaker 8: said they found self inflicted wounds on his body.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know it just never ends with this guy.
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Speaker 1: And to you, doctor Michelle Dupre, renowned pathologist and author.
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Speaker 1: You hear Troy Slayton claiming the police planted it. Hey,
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Speaker 1: doctor Dupree, I.
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Speaker 3: Guess, I guess.
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Speaker 1: I'll say, great minds, think alight, listen, I say that that.
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Speaker 9: Evidence, are so called evidence, was planted along with the
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Speaker 9: other items that were allegedly found in my home as well,
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Speaker 9: and we will go ahead and.
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Speaker 3: Prove that a trial.
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Speaker 1: That's tell us blabbing when forty eight hours our friends
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Speaker 1: at CBS. Okay, doctor Dupree, I'm so happy that he
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Speaker 1: was so arrogant. He spoke to the media and he says,
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Speaker 1: I say the evidence are so called evidence was planted
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Speaker 1: along with other items allegedly found in my home as well,
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Speaker 1: and we will go ahead and we will prove that
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Speaker 1: at trial. I was framed. Okay, So how would they
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Speaker 1: do this? Oh, so, doctor Dupray, what would the I
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Speaker 1: guess the medical examiner, you how would you have snuck
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Speaker 1: into tell Us his home, find his shoes all ripped
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Speaker 1: up and put blood on them?
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, I really can't think of another way to
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Speaker 4: do that, and I don't know any medical examiner that
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Speaker 4: would do it. But you know, certainly, because blood was
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Speaker 4: on the shoes, those shoes had to come in contact
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Speaker 4: with the victim. I mean, this is crazy, totally bogus,
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Speaker 4: totally bogus.
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Speaker 11: Because of the relentless follow up of our detectives and
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Speaker 11: with your help, I'm here to announce the rest of
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Speaker 11: forty five year old Robert tell Us.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 11: He was booked in the Clark County Detention Center last
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Speaker 11: night on the charge of open.
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Speaker 1: Murder, tell Us busted, tell Us arrested. But I just
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Speaker 1: want to talk about what we heard earlier about the
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Speaker 1: allented perp ending up on a stretcher at the time
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Speaker 1: of a restless.
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Speaker 3: And the foot.
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Speaker 5: As you saw him coming out on the stretcher, he
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Speaker 5: had self inflicted wounds and we were trying to provide
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Speaker 5: medical attention to help him.
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Speaker 3: They were non life threatening.
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Speaker 1: Talk about a drama, Queen, Doctor Bethany Marshall, throwing yourself
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Speaker 1: on a stretcher. What hyperventilating from your self inflated wounds?
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Speaker 10: You know. I think Robert tell Us has what probably
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Speaker 10: is my favorite personality disorder of all time is called
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Speaker 10: historic personality disorder, and that's what a person engages in dramatic,
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Speaker 10: rapidly fluctuating emotions and behaviors that appear deep in nature,
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Speaker 10: but they're.
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Speaker 1: Not deep at all.
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Speaker 10: They're just designed to get out of some consequence or
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Speaker 10: therefore attention getting purposes.
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Speaker 1: That's all.
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Speaker 10: I didn't you call it judge dishonest or a liar
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Speaker 10: in one of the interviews, and also in terms of
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Speaker 10: the historyonics. His attempts to manipulate everybody are so thin.
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Speaker 10: I mean, there's that jail house call. Obviously he's just
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Speaker 10: thinking about the judge, the public, the jurors, and he
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Speaker 10: thinks people are going to believe him. His capacity to
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Speaker 10: see himself and to reflect it is so low, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: It reminds me of that one story you and I
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Speaker 10: covered years ago about the criminals that was trying to
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Speaker 10: burglarize a house and he got caught in the chimney.
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Speaker 10: Remember that one.
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Speaker 7: This kind of has that quality to it.
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Speaker 10: You can't really see what's coming at him.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 1: Alexander Pope had a saying, and I'm going to bastardize it.
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Speaker 1: Pope said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I say,
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Speaker 1: a little power is a dangerous thing. Here we've got
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Speaker 1: an evil Bonnie Fife who has power over other people
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Speaker 1: that work for him and the county government for Pete's
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Speaker 1: sake on wills and estates administrative work.
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Speaker 3: But this guy is a bully.
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Speaker 1: I'll want you to hear on nine on one call
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Speaker 1: that we obtained.
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Speaker 7: Listen, you're emergency school when seven eighty seventy you need police,
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Speaker 7: fire or medical?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Right?
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Speaker 7: Can you please send somebody here? My husband is going crazy.
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Speaker 7: He's trying to make him like he hurt him or something.
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Speaker 7: He just won't leave us alone.
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Speaker 3: He had too much to drink tonight.
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Speaker 1: Kind OF's just worth the Me and.
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Speaker 3: My kids are scared.
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Speaker 7: Okay, has anybody been had a freshman?
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Speaker 3: Well, he tried to hurt me, but that it's fun.
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Speaker 6: He hasn't touched me since.
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Speaker 3: Nobody in an ambulance.
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Speaker 1: No, no ambulance.
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Speaker 10: Just somebody to.
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Speaker 6: Come, okay, I'm down, or somebody out there, and you
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Speaker 6: have the call that rate.
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Speaker 1: What you are hearing is tell Us and his wife
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Speaker 1: who had spent an evening at the Bellagio Upscale Resort
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Speaker 1: hotel in Vegas. He gets drunk and attacks his wife
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Speaker 1: allegedly the car on the way home, and he's screaming,
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Speaker 1: kill me, kill me. Okay, doctor Bethany, I'm just a
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer. I'm dealing with a horrific murder. You heard
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Speaker 1: what doctor Michelle Duprey said about these stab wounds to
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Speaker 1: his neck and his Torso you just heard that nine
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Speaker 1: to one one call a belligerent bully way in well, not.
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Speaker 10: Only belligerent, but sadistic, ragefull homicidal. I think you know
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Speaker 10: these men and women who commit homicide like this have
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Speaker 10: what I call obsessional paranoia, and that is the belief
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Speaker 10: that somebody else's presence on this planet is negatively affecting them,
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Speaker 10: and all they want to do is wipe out that
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Speaker 10: person's presence. And also with the sociopathic side, you often
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Speaker 10: see promiscuity, you see substance abuse. And the final thing, Nancy,
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Speaker 10: you know, any officer who responds to domestic violence disputes,
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Speaker 10: almost always the perpetrator will open the door and say
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Speaker 10: keep hitting me, or she tried to kill me. They
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Speaker 10: always blame the other person, and in some ways it
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Speaker 10: seems like this elaborate projection into the other that the
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Speaker 10: other's going to harm them, whereas in fact Robert is
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Speaker 10: the one who wanted to harm everyone around him.
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Speaker 7: He is the killer.
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Speaker 10: He is a harmful one, not his wife.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, no one has been proven guilty. This is in
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Speaker 1: the hands of a jury as evidence starts today. Nancy
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Speaker 1: Gray signing off, goodbye friend.