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Capítulo 030: The Unapologetically Brown Girl Interview · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: Radio Radio Radio Mommy's a Myth and Bullshit a radio
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  Speaker 1: phonic novella. Look Radio hosted by malamo Ola Locomotives. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to local radio. Welcome back. This is my lap
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  Speaker 1: and this is Diosa and we are less as your host.
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  Speaker 1: Look at a Radio is a podcast archiving the brilliance
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  Speaker 1: and legacies of women and fems of color. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for joining us once again for another copy
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  Speaker 1: The Little Brown Girl Our We're so excited. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Every time we record, I'm just like so happy, can't
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  Speaker 1: wait to get into the talk. I always get super pumped.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the energy is good, and I'm always
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  Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a fabulous, fantastic day. That's how
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  Speaker 1: I feel. Ye, Saturdays are usually like my favorite days,
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  Speaker 1: same here, same here, as those are our record earting days. Yeah. Absolutely, um,
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  Speaker 1: And I just you know, I want to thank everybody
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  Speaker 1: that has been listening to the last two caps um.
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  Speaker 1: We shared them all within or both of them within
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  Speaker 1: the same week. So we had Look Epistemologies Part two,
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  Speaker 1: and then we had our with the Ladies of Plant
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  Speaker 1: Parenthood oh C, and we talked about the Orange County
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  Speaker 1: Women's March, and today is actually Women's March Los Angeles,
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  Speaker 1: Women's March Orange County, right, Um, and we're not there today.
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  Speaker 1: We're not at the Women's March. No, you know, being
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  Speaker 1: a marches is in you know, public events are really important. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but we also wanted to preserve our energy and we
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  Speaker 1: have a really special guest that we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: recording with instead of attending the Women's March, so we
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  Speaker 1: felt like that was just as important. So yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: why we're not there. But if you're if you are
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  Speaker 1: there by the time you're listening, were there, more power
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  Speaker 1: to you. You know, hope you were safe. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: marched last year. Um, my job always has like a contingent,
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  Speaker 1: a group of people that goes and meets up in marches,
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  Speaker 1: and so I went last year. It was a great experience.
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  Speaker 1: We recorded a capitolo about the Women's March last year.
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  Speaker 1: So it's something that we're either we've participated in or
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about it and all of our support in
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  Speaker 1: our lad and we hope it goes well. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: throwback if you haven't listened to that capitulo, I believe
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  Speaker 1: it's sinco of Uman Oh yeah, you're going to hold
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  Speaker 1: white women accounting because it was about holding white women
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  Speaker 1: accountable last year. Yes. Um, so yeah, tune into that
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  Speaker 1: one if you would like, if you haven't already, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe you want to relisten. Um. So yeah, we're super
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  Speaker 1: excited to be recording today. Um. And we're doing something
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  Speaker 1: new today. Yes. Yeah. So if we sound a little
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  Speaker 1: weirder is because we're adjusting. Yeah, what are we doing? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so by the time you you're listening to this, you
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  Speaker 1: will know that we are launching a YouTube channel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're super excited. So this is our first time that
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  Speaker 1: we're recording with the camera on us. It's a little awkward.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little awkward to adjust. Um, I don't really
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  Speaker 1: know where to look. Normally I look at Mala, but
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  Speaker 1: now I've had to situate my body a little differently. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: we're out for us. I feel like I need I
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  Speaker 1: was telling my life, feel like I need a cushion
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  Speaker 1: to sit on. So I'm a little taller, you know,
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  Speaker 1: petite bitch. Problems is what we were saying. Problems, a
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  Speaker 1: real problem. My love was like, oh yeah, yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: can get you one. And I was like, girl, I
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  Speaker 1: have one in my car. I drive with a little
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  Speaker 1: with a little a little cushion is so cute. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know. Whatever. Anyways, So, um, I think that maybe
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  Speaker 1: we can get into our segment or new segment. Um yeah,
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  Speaker 1: one minute second, but we get situated. We're adjusting, like
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  Speaker 1: we said, and you know, our locomotives, we just love this.
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  Speaker 1: We really appreciate and respect and honor the love that
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  Speaker 1: you show for us. So we always want to give
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  Speaker 1: you all more So starting the YouTube channel is you know,
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  Speaker 1: another way for y'all to engage with us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to watch maybe like maybe we'll do some behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes stuff and to really see what it's like when
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  Speaker 1: we record. Um, and also to show out because we
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  Speaker 1: always come really cute to record. Yes, we always come
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  Speaker 1: in our outfits, but we don't always take pictures and
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  Speaker 1: it's honestly a travesty like, um, hello, like this needs
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  Speaker 1: to be documented. I look so cute, right, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I put in thought when I'm gonna when I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: come and record and stuff. So so yeah, now you
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  Speaker 1: get to see it in la. So um, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's time for us to get into our segments. Question
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  Speaker 1: time ask us look I thought us or yours? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: oh yeah, look as So in this segment, we received
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  Speaker 1: a question on our Curious Cat and this was a
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  Speaker 1: question that was asked back in September. So I'm excited
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  Speaker 1: that we're gonna be able to answer it. So if
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  Speaker 1: you're like I hope you're listening. So the question is,
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  Speaker 1: how did y'all tap into your personal style? Were you
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  Speaker 1: always so fashionable or did it come recently? Well, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, thank you, thank you very much. That's so sweet.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for calling us fashionable. Yeah, we try a lot.
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  Speaker 1: We put a lot of effort, and we honestly, we
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  Speaker 1: put a lot of effort. I wonder if, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it looks effortless. I don't think it does,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a it's a combination of actually putting time
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  Speaker 1: and effort into it because it's fun and I like it.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, And also sometimes there is that kind of
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  Speaker 1: just effortless. Just I did just you know, crawl out
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  Speaker 1: of my apartment and this is how I came out,
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  Speaker 1: you know, take it or leave it thing. But so,
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  Speaker 1: how did you tap into your personal style? The sad? Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just body kna everything to be
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  Speaker 1: completely honest body every day. Yeah, yeah, I think because
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  Speaker 1: I'm since I am petite, I feel like I get
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  Speaker 1: lost in clothing, so you know, shout out to Rihanna
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  Speaker 1: because she does not, and I hope to channel that
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  Speaker 1: one day to just be able to rock something really
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  Speaker 1: loose and big. But personally, I feel like I get lost.
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  Speaker 1: So I just try to to basically basically tailor my
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  Speaker 1: outfits to how I want my body to look right
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  Speaker 1: on what makes me feel. I actually feel the most
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  Speaker 1: comfortable inform fitting things, which is really weird. Um that's real.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, because I just yeah, that's when I feel
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  Speaker 1: the most comfortable, like okay, yeah, you can see all
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  Speaker 1: of me. Yeah, that's what I want. That's the goal.
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  Speaker 1: That's the goal, fire purpose. Yes see me, see all
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  Speaker 1: of me? Yes, um yea. And then I think, just
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  Speaker 1: like style in suppose, um, I really like j Lo
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  Speaker 1: j Lo like I love her nude looks. Whenever I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking of like high glam, I'm always thinking of She's
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  Speaker 1: one of the people I think of is JL. I
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  Speaker 1: love all the glitter and the nude and the gloss
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  Speaker 1: and her straight hair, her big hair. One day, I
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  Speaker 1: want to rock a really big ponytail. That's my goal.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be a hairpiece. I want a hair pony.
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  Speaker 1: I do. I want a pony. I've been thinking about
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  Speaker 1: experimenting with hair pieces, but no, I love that. I
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  Speaker 1: can that. That's you. That's your style, that's your look.
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  Speaker 1: It's lamb, it's it's pinks, it's gurly. Yeah, it's cute. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then I think, um, just to like personalize it,
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  Speaker 1: I always like to throw in something. Um. I always
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  Speaker 1: like use the word funky, like something funky um, whether
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  Speaker 1: it be like shoes or like a purse or ear rings, detail,
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  Speaker 1: a detail, an accessory. Yeah, an accessory, that's like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's me. That's what I like. A signature, it's the
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  Speaker 1: signature piece, if you will. Yeah, signature pieces are really important. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I love that. So for me, my style, my personal style,
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  Speaker 1: I've gone through a lot of different phases. Like I've
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  Speaker 1: gone through many phases. But even in my youth, like
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  Speaker 1: there was a period of time where I went through
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  Speaker 1: my like I only listened to Evanescence and No Doubt
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  Speaker 1: and I wore all black and I had the black jelly.
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  Speaker 1: I had a little goth period too. Yes, we have
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  Speaker 1: our goth period. I had like a little rockabilly period
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  Speaker 1: and I would do the hair and the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it, Honestly, it was so cute. I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: So I could still see this, like rockabilly look on you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I still see it. I do like retro looks.
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  Speaker 1: I like retro looks. I like vintage looks, seventies looks,
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  Speaker 1: especially like disco looks. I liked emulate Share a lot
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like that's somebody that I can emulate,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I try not to go too far out
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  Speaker 1: of my lane, and like this is accessible to me,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do this. I feel like my style
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  Speaker 1: is also very l a like very West Coast. I
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  Speaker 1: do because it's kind of like cute and summary, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that it has somewhat of like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a hip hop element to it. I think
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  Speaker 1: that I got a lot of style inspiration when I
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  Speaker 1: lived in London. I did a year abroad and just
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  Speaker 1: like the street fashion, the style out there, like shopping
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  Speaker 1: at Prime Mark like was everything to me and I
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  Speaker 1: loved it. And I love how like in the UK
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of playing with like structure and with
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  Speaker 1: callers and you know, like accessories and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: So I had a lot of fun um out there.
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  Speaker 1: And I also think that Koreatown is a style. I
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  Speaker 1: live basically in Koreatown creatown adjacent and like Koreatown street
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  Speaker 1: style is its own ship and people do not give
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  Speaker 1: Koreatown fashions enough credit. And I will just say that
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  Speaker 1: Koreans have some of the like like yeah, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: like their style choices, the clothes, the brands that they're wearing,
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  Speaker 1: like dope, love it. So I think that's where my
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  Speaker 1: style comes from. Yeah, it's the next match. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like also, um feel I feel like I dressed not
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  Speaker 1: that I dressed differently because I don't think I changed myself,
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  Speaker 1: but I think my partner will also influence what I wear.
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  Speaker 1: That's the thing, right that. Yeah, like I've had my
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  Speaker 1: periods where I've dressed like really really sexy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and then I've had my periods where maybe I'm a
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  Speaker 1: little more more modest, some more casual or whatever. When
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it just depends. Yeah, But but in
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  Speaker 1: this in the same way, like just to echo, like
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  Speaker 1: I just I still try to like add my little
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  Speaker 1: my signature to it so that you know, no matter
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  Speaker 1: what it is, it's going to have your elements on it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think, like you said, Rihanna is a huge stylent inspiration.
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  Speaker 1: She encourages me to try different silhouettes and to try
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  Speaker 1: like baggy stuff and form fitting stuff. So that's if
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing something that's kind of baggyear, or I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: a mixed match of like tight and loose, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: very much admittedly Arihanna inspired. Yes, you know when you
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  Speaker 1: were your your denim jacket, I'm like, yes, that is
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  Speaker 1: a Rihanna lug. Oh yeah, my giant denim jacket. That's
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  Speaker 1: all Rihanna. I have like a giant Aliah shirt. That's
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  Speaker 1: my Rihanna inspo. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: push myself this year too. I think play with the
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  Speaker 1: silhouettes like you said, um and we'll see. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: like when New Year's happened and style changes and the
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  Speaker 1: color of the year. This year is like a really
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  Speaker 1: nice violet, um yah. And last year it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: the rose quartz pink and the baby blue, which you
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  Speaker 1: saw everywhere. So I really like to see the colors
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  Speaker 1: of the year and like keep up with them, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm this year it's violet, so I'm excited to play
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  Speaker 1: with that color too. It's a sun color and because
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  Speaker 1: I love purple. Yeah, you know, so there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: that can be done with it. I agree. So so
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  Speaker 1: are are We have a guest today and she actually
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  Speaker 1: just texted that she's ready. This is the very first
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  Speaker 1: time we're doing a phone interview, so we're excited really
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  Speaker 1: put shing ourselves this year to to do more. So
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  Speaker 1: we're really excited. I'm going to text her and tell
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  Speaker 1: her to call yes, and you are going to love
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  Speaker 1: this guest. I'm so excited for our listeners and for us.
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  Speaker 1: So while we wait for her to call, um, I
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  Speaker 1: just you know, wanted to, I'll do a quick introduction.
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  Speaker 1: But our guest today is actually Joanna Unapologetically Brown series
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  Speaker 1: in case you haven't seen anything, but I'm positive our
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  Speaker 1: locomotives have. She does three are all over New York City,
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  Speaker 1: and it's really to empower the black and brown community,
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  Speaker 1: especially women. Um talking about and document being a documented
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  Speaker 1: just being of color, being resilient, being amazing, doing the
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  Speaker 1: damn thing. So I'm really excited that we get to
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  Speaker 1: talk with her and she's calling. Now she's calling, so
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  Speaker 1: we're going to bring her on. Did she turn the
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  Speaker 1: men on on? Hello? Hello? Oh hello ladies. A we're
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  Speaker 1: always been thinking. So this is Theosa just so you know,
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  Speaker 1: and this is Nala. Thank you for calling. We're recording,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're live basically, so welcome. Yes, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much. I'm so sorry. I'm like, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: m wants to ruin lives and stuff, but we don't
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  Speaker 1: let them. We understand. We're always on Brown Girl Hour. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we get it perfect, perfect. I shouldn't know. Yes, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm really happy that you can, you know, be on
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  Speaker 1: the phone with us today. Um. I did a little
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  Speaker 1: introduction before you called, so I but I want to
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  Speaker 1: give our listener the chance for you to really introduce
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  Speaker 1: yourself and what you do. Yeah. So, my name is
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  Speaker 1: Joanna Joana, and I'm the creator of the Unapologetically Brown series.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a Salvador in New York based street artists, visual artists,
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  Speaker 1: or whatever I have to do to empower my community's artists.
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  Speaker 1: And I runs the Unapologetical Ground series, which is a
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  Speaker 1: multi media uh street series mental empower women in color
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  Speaker 1: um and the way that I do that now is
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  Speaker 1: through visuals and street art. Yeah. Yeah, When did you
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  Speaker 1: start taking your art and making it public out on
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  Speaker 1: the street. When did that begin for you? Well, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: that started when I was in high school, when I
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  Speaker 1: was like, you know, fifteen sixteen, I started putting up
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  Speaker 1: little posters in my hallway at school, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I was a pretty rebellious kid. I was the like
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  Speaker 1: one of the only few opening queer kids in school,
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  Speaker 1: so I was always fighting against somebody, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm says, so little posters here and there, especially when
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to start the first uh queer club
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  Speaker 1: at my high school. Um. But then after that I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of sit on it and it didn't occur
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  Speaker 1: to me until I started the series of a year
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  Speaker 1: ago on SoundCloud. So it was an audio project. At first,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be I don't know, I think
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  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be a podcast where poetry or something.
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  Speaker 1: But then I was just like, you know what, No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really cut for that, Like I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how to do that. So I took it back to
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  Speaker 1: the original to the posters, and I just started putting
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  Speaker 1: all the poetry and the quotes with um the Woman
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  Speaker 1: of Color and stuff like that onto paper and then
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  Speaker 1: putting it on the street. That's amazing. So can you
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  Speaker 1: explain to us or maybe our listeners, UM, what your
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  Speaker 1: process is like? UM, you mentioned that what's on the
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  Speaker 1: actual posters is your poetry. So how do you decide
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  Speaker 1: like what quota you're going to use or you know,
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  Speaker 1: can you talk to us about that? Yeah? Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: my poster making process, I guess sometimes is in that luxurious.
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  Speaker 1: Is not that fun because it's either poetry, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I write myself where I I picked like you know,
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  Speaker 1: Angela Davis or a side of the core people that
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  Speaker 1: I livia revolutionary, UM, and I want to high load
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  Speaker 1: highlights those people because I feel like we don't usually
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  Speaker 1: you know, UM for whatever. So UM. As far as
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  Speaker 1: as the other concept the flowers and those are either
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  Speaker 1: random or I research, you know, UM. So for my
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  Speaker 1: TPS poster, I just wanted to make sure I honored
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  Speaker 1: like Central America and the Caribbean. So I didn't research
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  Speaker 1: on that. UM. But they're making isn't like it's not
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  Speaker 1: I can make a poster on the train. I can
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  Speaker 1: make a poster, you know, while I'm in bed like
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  Speaker 1: that's whatever is to me. The most sacred part of
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  Speaker 1: what I do is the actual street work of it,
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  Speaker 1: which is the labor of putting on the street. That's
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  Speaker 1: very you know, that takes time and an actual like
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  Speaker 1: literal physical labor, right consists. I have to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that there's posters on the street at all time, um,
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  Speaker 1: which is amazing because yes, it's just me that does it.
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  Speaker 1: But then I also make the posters available for free online,
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  Speaker 1: so other people have taken advantage of that and put
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  Speaker 1: up posters in their own communities throughout the whole country.
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  Speaker 1: So that's that's a good segue into the next topic.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted us to talk about art and accessibility because
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  Speaker 1: when watching I watched your the video of the incredible
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  Speaker 1: video that me tho data on your on your work,
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  Speaker 1: the features you and you talk about how you make
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  Speaker 1: your art accessible on a Google Drive. So can you
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  Speaker 1: talk about that? Yeah, So I was, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: main thing for me in this work. Once I realized,
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  Speaker 1: you know, SoundCloud is not my venue, it became all
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  Speaker 1: about accessibility to you know, to the best of my
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  Speaker 1: ability and what I could do. So I thought if
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  Speaker 1: the posters, um, you know, once I started to realize
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  Speaker 1: that the posters were making a significant difference in my community,
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  Speaker 1: and I was seeing a positive response. And you know, UM,
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  Speaker 1: when I see pictures of open and of color like
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  Speaker 1: on the street next to my posters, like that makes
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: my whole day, because that's why this work. So putting
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: it on Google became obvious to me as soon as
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I realized, Um, you know, this work should be everywhere,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: but I cannot be everywhere at once. So putting it
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: available online for people that have access to it and
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: have the ability to go out into the street and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: do what I do, UM made logical, you know, made
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: perfect sense to me. So I'm wondering, you know, when
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you were younger, when you were growing up, did you
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: ever see street art that spoke to you the way
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: that you hope your campaign speaks to women of color,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: feeling like, was there an example that you had that
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: inspired you to do this, or or that you had
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: already had exposure to um when I was drawing up. Honestly, no, Um,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: there was not a lot of that going around. Like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up in a place where
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of streets art yest art, yes, of course,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: but not art represented me or or you know, or
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: that I saw myself in it. Now, my work does
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: come from in how I brought me that we expressed
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: pain in my country through street work and through murals,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: which is you know, very very heavy at the time
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: in the Civil War. So I didn't forget about that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: And I you know, it's like a perfect marriage of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: the two. And blending social media has been the key
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: for me. Um, bringing the street and social media together
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: into a perfect hybrid has been has been the key
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to my work. Um. So that's amazing, And I'm you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: we did um a cup pizzolow about street harassment and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of our locomotives submitted, um, you know, their
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: narratives and their first hand experiences about facing street harassment,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and many of them were women of color. So we
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: know that the streets for us are are really not
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: very safe places for for many of us. And so
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I'm wondering, like, you're a move head and you're doing
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: street art, and I wonder how safety like figures in
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: for you when you're putting up your art, and whether
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that's safety be has of like just other people or
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the police. How does that work for you? Yeah? Um,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you know what Luckily, like living in New York, it's
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: so busy here. You know, people on the street don't
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: give a shit about what you're doing. Of course, yes,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: there's absolutely harassed. Man, I'm that I'm not saying that
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: there isn't. Um, but I like to go out during
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: the day. Um. A lot of people have a misconception
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that I must do this at like three am, you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: when the stars back. Yes, I wear all black. I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: wear my black overalls and usually a black shirt. But no,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm out doing this in the middle of the
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: day when I can actually see in my community, when
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I can actually see the people on the street, because
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you know, when I when you do this and stuff,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and as I do this, and you know, uh, some
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: of the same areas because I try and keep a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: rotation in some of the same places. Right, people get
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: to know you. And that's very important to me to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: actually interact with my community and be industries you know.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: So um. Luckily, I haven't had very many consensus where
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: people bothered me. Yeah, there's been a couple of times where,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like you know, you'll see two is that don't have
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: any concept of boundaries and just randomly pull out a
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: camera and start taking pictures of you while you're working,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: which I wouldn't mind, and you know, if you ask me,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't care, you know, But if you have
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: no CONFI boundary, that's different. Um, the police, I don't
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: acknowledge the NYPD, and that's all there. You go. Well,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I think what you're doing is another way for that
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: a woman of color can really reclaim public space. You're
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: putting your art out there, and you're putting it specifically
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: for you know, black and brown women, queer folks. So
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I think you are you know, reclaiming space in that
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: way when we've known, especially when we talked in our
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: sexual harassment episode, that the public space is not necessarily
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: a place for us, right we don't really have there's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: no safety for us. So that's another way that you're
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: really reclaiming that which is so powerful. Yeah, definitely I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: wanted to, Um, I definitely wanted to reclaim that in all,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: really just disrupt that space that is so um that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: is so white, you know, especially out here and where
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: we have a very very fashion heavy industry and in
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: the streets reflect that. So we have an influx of
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: European standards that are you know, classics all over the street.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So to me, that's very exhausting, right, um So I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: wanted to combat that in in the essence reclaim um
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: you know, the very places that we we exist in
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: every single day, why not you know how a space
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: that is for us. Um So that was very important
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: to me. Thank you so much for I mean, you know,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: kind of talking about your process and the work that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you do. I think it also kind of demystifies a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: lot as far as being a street artist and creating
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: art in public space. I think, maybe especially a lot
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: of young women might think, like that's something that's totally
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: out of reach for me. I could never do that.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I have to be a part of a certain subculture
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: or a street culture or whatever to part anticipate. But
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you're creating something that you don't have to have access
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to a studio art equipment to accomplish what you're accomplishing. No, no, no,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: not at all. And like that's something that I always
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: want to remind people is that, like I literally started
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: my series and my work by googling and and YouTube
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: being what I needed to know because no idea how
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to make glue. When I started, I had no idea
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: what kind of no idea what softword. I literally had
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: no knowledge whatsoever. Um So, so it doesn't for us.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: You need to just remind people like you can. Literally
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I realized that we don't all have access to do
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the same things right, but it's scrappy and creative and
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: do it yourself like literally is dea why as it
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: gets and how this work started contrust me, I had
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: no idea what I was doing. I was just like, oh,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to google and YouTube these things. And another
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: important thing that is important is that I'm doing in
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: my work is I do workshops to teach people how
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to do what I did, not because I feel like
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: it can't be figured, but because honestly, when I started
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to book this stuff up on the internet, I was
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: forced to watch videos on videos of white men and
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: and tutorials from like Shepherds Parry and like people like that,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: which is fine, but it's not for me, saying like,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you know, so I wanted to make sure that now
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: that I have this knowledge, um, I teach I teach people,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: you know, especially kids. So like workshops done some workshops
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: in the Bronx to teach people kids how to make
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: wheat paste because I just want to pass what I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: know down right, and that's the whole in my work. Yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: and that's that's really what community is. Right. I have
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: this resource. Now, let me share it with you so
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you can share with your friend and you can share
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it with your brima. Right, absolutely, absolutely, absolutely yes, thank you,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: thank you. We're going to go into our song break
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: m and and and and and and and and and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: and and friends back and and um um um um
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: um um um of it and and we are back
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and we're back barely, we barely made it. Hello, Joanna,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you Joanna, are you with us? I'm here, okay, excellent, fabulous.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: So can you tell me a little bit what does
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: being a Capricorn mean to you? Because you know, lots
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of people like to shoot on caps. Lots of people
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like to shoot on caps. I know, I know it's horrendous.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think that I think that male capricorn energy is trash.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you. But um feminine? Oh oh, we lost her. No,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the call drops, Okay, let us call her back. We're
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: gonna get back. We're gonna get her back. She was
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: about to say something really good about feminine capricorn energy.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So we got to get her back again. It was
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the Fens. It's it's always, it's always the Fens. Wonder
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: if we could just edit that out. Maybe it's a blooper.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: This is neither blooper. What happened. Maybe she went into
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a bridge or something. I think she's home now, Okay,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call us. Yeah, she'll call us back.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: We can we can talk more. We can talk more. Um,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: talk about what Capricorn slander is new to me because
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: really you're like you and like maybe another friend or
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: like the only Capricorns that are like really in my life.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I don't have many Capricorns in my life. Is hello. Heay,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. It's okay. We were saying that it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was the FEDS silencing your Capricorn slander. Again, it's always
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the Fed. Yes, so Capricorn was listening, I know. No,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, being a Capricorn and our loneliness and our
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you know, we're very consivative sometimes, which can be like
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I can get on my own nerves, but other than that, like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: you know, being a Capricorn to me is like, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: we have a ship together and like or at least
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: we think we do. We try to do the appearance
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: of generally, I like to think like I generally have
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: my ship together, and it could be worse, right, That's
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: how I like the perspective. I like to put one
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that's hilarious. But no, okay, So I think we wanted
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to talk about like love and dating in romance. Yes, um,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I am let's do it super super I can admit this.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I am super obsessed with your relationship with your partner.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: It is like to me, like such a like beautiful
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: representation of like queer love. Um. And obviously I haven't
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: met schell, but social media has that way of making
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you feel like you know everybodyship. Yes, so, yeah, we
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: just want to talk about you know, queer love, dating, romance,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: all the good stuff. Yes, I'm here for all of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: these topics. You know, you know, you know, I consider
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Instagram to be a dating app. I'm just gonna put
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: it is. It is how did y'all meet? No, it
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: is definitely is a community. Well, actually, we we were
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: like following me each other through Instagram because of the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: work that she does and then the work did I do. Um.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: She wrote an article that that was super fire, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I think I sort of following her because it's at
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and then but we met in person at Pride, So
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: basically Instagram broughtshout together. Yeah, I love it. I've met
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: people on Instagram. We met on Instagram. We met on Instagram. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: but we were friends for me and her. Me and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: me were friends first. Okay, we were a little bit
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and then we were like, okay, so what's up. You know,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: that's really great. Do you know other people who have
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: also met on Instagram? Yeah? I think people have to
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: meet each other on Instagram now, just like I don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: think that that's like, um so much outside of the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: norm anymore. You know, the followback is almost like a match. Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like a woman of color thing,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like building community women of color with queer folks q walk.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Like I feel like it's very interconnected and if you're
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: outside of that, like maybe you don't get it. Like
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I know my partner or it's always yeah, my partner
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: is always like everybody that I follow, I literally know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: like I don't understand how you don't know these people,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, but I know them, you know
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: what I mean, And like he doesn't get overtly yes, no,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I totally agree, Like, I think
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: that it's a very valid way of you know, building
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: community with people and like getting to know people and like,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I noticed when somebody I follow, like, oh
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: they haven't posted like look. Yes, there's a sense of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: like building a relationship with people when you keep up
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: with each other's works, like literally if they weren't for
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: social media. So there's obviously negative aspect to it, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I think that we we often forget to celebrate the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the relationships and the beauty that we can
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: build through Instagram. Also questioned, is somebody not having any
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: social media a deal breaker? Is it a red flag?
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: What does it mean these days? It's a red flag? Right, Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that's why who are you? And why are you like
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the like you? Exactly? That's the first question. Are you married?
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: You married? Do you have kids? You secretly married? Do
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: you have a wife? I need to know. No, thank you,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not here for it. If you're like, I don't know.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: I just think it's weird. Maybe it's because I'm so
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I'm so on social media like person, so I think
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: for me, it's just weird. If you're if you're not
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: at all, I can't even imagine, like and maybe that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: says more about us than it does about them, Like
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: maybe no, no, no, okay, never mind, I take it back. No,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know it's true. It's just such like this
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: is just our day and age, like this is just
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: the standard, you know, and if you're not getting the standard,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: then it's off, you know. I agree, definitely, I agree completely,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Like what I don't know, I will say though. I
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: will say though that I think the fact that we
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: like will follow each other before we date each other
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: or before we meet each other in real life. It's like,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: now this person has all this insight into you, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so are they. It's like, are you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: just saying this because you think you know what I
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: want to hear because you look at all my posts
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and I'm ranting and I'm giving my perspectives and now
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you think you know what I mean. Is what I'm
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: getting from you authentic or are you tailoring it based
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: on what you've seen on my social media? No, that's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: isn't true. And it's funny because like me and Amy
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: do these like what if all the time, Like oh
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: what if we hadn't met in a difference? She was um,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: she was doing my makeup today, and I was like, oh,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: what if we hadn't met and you were doing my makeup?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: How cute? Imagine? I love that. Actually you fall in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: love with your makeup artists, did you imagine? Yeah, how's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: how's cute? Oh no, So with stuff, I think we
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: also wanted to ask, you know, if there was any
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: other like advice or tips, hints, insights for tricks for
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: any of our listeners who like want to start their
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: own project. I know for us from the perspective of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of d I Y podcasters, we've given our tips and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: things before, but we want to hear from you. What
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: would your tips be for our listeners? Yeah? Um, okay,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: so my tips would be too, literally, use anything you can,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: which is like you know, Google, YouTube, anything that will
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: lend you the information and tools that you need to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: build your project. You know. Um, Like when I first
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: started this, I literally had no idea, Like I downloaded
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: some shitty app to do my post. Everything is I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: was doing UM and ask questions and reach out to
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: your peers and your friends and you know too, artists
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that you that you feel like, you know, UM, that
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you admire and just I think that that's really important
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: to me is just distributing the information we know and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: giving it back to them because that's how we build
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and that's how we change. Um everything is to really
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: reinforce each other through information and community and arts. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I think that's all a very very um substantial radical
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: act of healing. I love that's amazing. Yeah, that is amazing.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: And you know, I also want to say, while we're
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: talking about doing projects yourselves social media, this is something
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that Yosa and I have talked about before, but when
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: it comes to social media and like creativity, I feel
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: like it's really the women of color and the queer
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: folks who are killing it and who are really revolutionizing things.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say this, it's not it's not straight men,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: it's not sis heat man. They're not doing it. They're
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: not and they haven't been doing it. I mean, like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: all the creativity, all the cool ship, it's women of color.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely and like dead ass. I've noticed like it's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: the year of the underdog. It's it's it's the time
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: of the underdogs. It's the time of of women in
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: terms of color, to time for the queer kids to
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, what's up. So we're here is you know,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we're not taking any of that ship anymore. And I
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: think that that's very beautiful. Oh yeah. And what I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: want and what I want is for like the young
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: like artists and creators right now who are really just
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: taking up the online space and getting recognition. I want
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: history to like really identify that and celebrate us, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: and I and I don't want it to get pushed
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: to the to the wayside, like I want us to
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: leave a mark really absolutely, yeah, because we are you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: know when I think about this, and I think about
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: this all the time, actually, you know, consciously of like
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm working on, what I'm doing, what other people
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: are doing. You know. One of the reasons why I
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: reached out to you, you know, to you always because
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I really respect what you're doing. And I think that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: collaboration is like the biggest thing in the world. And
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I think that honestly, like that's it, you know, this
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: is this the wave, and this is how we take
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: each other to and we elevate each other to other places,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and we set a president of like no, this is
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: what we demand now, you know what I'm saying. No, No,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: you studying at present of like what it means, you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: reinfort you know, reinserting ourselves and spaces where they try
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to push us out even though we build those spaces,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's all about bringing
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: back to the original, bring it back to who who
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  Speaker 1: did this in the first place, you know what I'm saying. Yes, girl,
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  Speaker 1: I'm inspired, inspired, inspired, Let's get this work. Then let's
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  Speaker 1: do this this creativity. Yes, I want to thank you
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  Speaker 1: again so much for thank you for being here, for
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the work that you do, for being an inspiration, for
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: really giving some solid, like real hands on advice to
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  Speaker 1: our listeners. And I know that we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of creative listeners who have their own projects or who
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: want to start their own projects, and we want everybody
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like pick up that camera, write down that idea, get started,
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  Speaker 1: you know, most definitely, And that's that's how anything starts.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I cannot pick here and tell you that
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  Speaker 1: when I started this project, I knew that one day
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  Speaker 1: I would be sitting down talking to people you know,
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  Speaker 1: that care about the work. I had no idea that
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  Speaker 1: I was. You know the fact that I'm talking to
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  Speaker 1: you right now right to YouTube is um tells me
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  Speaker 1: that what I'm doing is working and like, but I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea when I started this, but this would
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  Speaker 1: leading these decisions. So like I tell people like, don't
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you know, I understand feeling discouraged, but like take that picture,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you know, make that write that poem, write that story,
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  Speaker 1: because you have no idea where it will take you.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: You literally have no idea where it will take you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Because I had I had no idea, no idea that
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  Speaker 1: a little project I started in my bathtub, writing in
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: my journal all sad and ship it was gonna was
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: gonna bring me here to this moment, right here where
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: we're speaking in right now. Yes, the possibilities are truly endless,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and we want our listeners to like you guys, like
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: go do it, do it. The possibilities are endless. We
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  Speaker 1: have the talent, you know, yes, absolutely, and people are
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  Speaker 1: hungry for it. I'm gonna tell you this right now.
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  Speaker 1: Communities aren't we want work just for us, by us.
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  Speaker 1: We want to support our people like like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I feel that so happily. We want to you know,
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  Speaker 1: we want to uplift each other like yes, that is
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  Speaker 1: so that is so real. Yeah, no, that's so real
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: because you know Mola and I were always talking about
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: how like we want we're hungry for like TV shows.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I really want queer folks on TV. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: want to see latinas women of color and black folks
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  Speaker 1: on TV. And right, and I wanted to move beyond
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: pain right, like I wanted to be a rom com.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a sitcom. I wanted to be
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: us just living our best lives, right, you know what.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to be funny, yes, actually adventure everything. I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to literally see us doing every single thing. Yes, yes,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: so I completely agree with you. Like, and we're the
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  Speaker 1: ones I need to be writing, writing the TV shows,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: writing the screenplays, putting the art out there. Yes, yes,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: we need to be the ones that you know, we
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  Speaker 1: need to be the one sitting at the head of
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  Speaker 1: the table for these conversations, not sitting you know, to
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  Speaker 1: the side, because that's the issues we have now, is
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of people having conversations about us,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and they're not asking that, they're not talking to us.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You know, in fact, we should be the ones that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are leading, they're leading the way because uh, you all
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: have tries long enough and no, thank you, you have
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  Speaker 1: served that you haven't served as well, So we'll take
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: it from here. You know, we got it, we got it,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: like we got it, like, please don't don't bother. So Joanna,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: can you tell our listeners like where they can follow
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you and keep up with your work and where they
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: can also access the prints that you've made available publicly. Yes,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: so you can. The best way to keep up with
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the series as is now, UM is definitely Instagram and
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: that's at the Unapologetically Bound series and UM, we have
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a website where you can access the community posters that
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: are all free and then UM, obviously there's some in
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the online shop that are not available in the in
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the Unity posters, but they all make their rounds. Um.
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  Speaker 1: I try and keep them all in ut you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: take them out and put them in. So when you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: also have sweaters and T shirts which I saw you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: got some short Yeah, and we're coming We're coming to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: l a Y. When is that? I already told Amy
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that it is on my calendar. How exciting? Yes? Okay cool,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: So we can look forward to seeing you out here.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I feel a meet up coming on. We're gonna get
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: into some trouble coming on. I was actually going to
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: ask you. I wanted out to you all. Um, I
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: would love if if you guys would do me the
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: honor of doing a Q and A with me at
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a meet up with Oh my God panel out here.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: When we do socials and stuff, usually Amy is the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: one that that's alongside me and asked me questions. But
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it's going to be her first few weekends, so I
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: don't want to be having much of what do you
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: mean do? Oh, she's here, She's there, Hey, hey girl,
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  Speaker 1: I love it, Oh my God, Okay, turn up. Panel
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: will definitely reach out with more dios, but I'm I'm
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: so here to collaborate and yes, oh my God, well,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: thank you so much my goodness for being here and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: for talking to us, and I cannot wait to meet you. Yes,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: did you have any any just anything else you wanted
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to say? Because we're about to wrap up here and
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: play the last song that you brought to us, But
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: were there any other final words that you wanted our
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: listeners to hear before we wrap up today? Now? I
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: just wanted to just remind everybody to just do the thing,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: write the poem, song, create the content, because we're here
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: for it, our communities are here for it. So yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I just really really want to inspire people to do
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: whatever is that that they wish to do. Um, everybody
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: has a place on the revolution if they're willing to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: work for it. So I'm here for I'm here for it,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you know. Yes, that's beautiful words. Thank you so much
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: for being here again. We're super something great to get
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: to talk to you. Remember to follow, tweet, give us
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: a review on itune, subscribe, share, you know what you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: gotta do, you know, make the rounds, the social media round. Yes,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: and thank you once again to Joanna for being here
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: with us. We'll catch you now. Thank you so much.