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Remembering America’s founding principles: Inside Camp Constitution · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Don't invite Kool-Aid.
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  That's our show.
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  Don't invite the Kool-Aid and we invite you
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  on a journey where we take a look
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  at what's happening in our culture.
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  And we examine things that may be Kool-Aid
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  with two tests.
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  That is two litmus tests we use to
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  determine truth from lies, Kool-Aid that could damage
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  you pretty severely versus the truth.
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  And the first litmus test, of course, is
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  the Word of God itself.
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  The Word of God, what our founders call
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  the laws of nature and nature's God.
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  The second litmus test is really the founding
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  documents of our constitutional republic.
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  That's right.
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  We are a republic, not a democracy.
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  Don't believe that lie.
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  That's one of those Kool-Aids out there.
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  But our founding documents, the Declaration of Independence,
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  the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and then
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  of course the subsequent amendments.
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  And when we look at our culture, what's
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  happening here today, we recognize that things are
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  going in not just a little bit off,
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  but going way off the direction that our
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  founders uh designed for us as a constitutional
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  republic.
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  And particularly when we look at what's happening
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  among the young.
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  The younger uh generations have swallowed the Kool-Aid
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  of Marxism by and large.
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  Uh and the issue is how can we
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  reach that younger generation?
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  How can we reach them with the truth
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  of our founders, the truth of God's word,
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  that there is a creator God, that our
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  rights come from him and from him alone.
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  And the only reason, the only purpose for
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  human civil government, as our founder stated clearly
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  in the Declaration of Independence, a reason for
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  human civil government is to protect your God
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  given rights.
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  But we know that Marxism teaches exactly the
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  opposite for every single one of those points
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  I've just made.
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  In fact, it would teach that you have
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  no rights except whatever the government chooses to
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  give you as uh privileges or licenses and
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  what they give, they can surely just as
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  quickly take away.
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  So the big issue for us is how
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  do we reach the next generation with the
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  truth of our founders with the truth of
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  God's word.
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  And uh with me today uh is Hal
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  Shirtliff, the founder of Camp Constitution, a camp
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  that I've been involved with now for I
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  think it's been six years, Hal.
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  Is that right?
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  Uh the scandemic, I guess we called that,
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  right?
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  That's right.
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  And uh this is a wonderful organization and
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  a wonderful week experience.
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  And I want Hal to tell us a
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  little bit about how Camp Constitution got started,
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  what its goals are, and how it is
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  being used to reach that next generation.
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  We're we're so desperately uh in need of
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  reaching.
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  Well, Camp Constitution, I'm the co-founder, which there
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  was three of us that founded it, and
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  um it was right around Christmas time, a
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  little before Christmas of 2020 when it was
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  conceived, and we held our first family camp
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  in 2009, and uh we've we've had what
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  they call Mission Creep.
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  It was just uh a camp, and then
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  as time went on, I'm now full-time since
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  2017, and we have year-round activities, but our
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  most important event is the week-long family camp,
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  and this year's camp will be our 18th
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  camp, annual camp, and it runs from July
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  12th to the 17th.
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  That's Sunday afternoon.
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  Uh registry we start at 4 p.m.
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  when people come in and um and um
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  and then we end Friday the 17th, right
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  after breakfast.
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  We start cleaning up and uh clearing out.
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  And it's uh it's a wonderful program.
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  It's a Christian, it's not a Bible camp,
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  but it's a Christian centered camp.
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  That's why we let we get we guys
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  like you come around and teach, you know.
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  Um so it's not a denominational camp.
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  Like and there's nothing wrong with those types
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  of camps, but ours is a little different
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  that way.
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  And we when we say family, we mean
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  family, and because when people hear the word
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  camp, everybody it seems like there's ten different
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  definitions for what they think of a camp.
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  They think you're sleeping in the woods, they
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  think it's a hotel, and everything in between,
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  you know, everything in between.
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  But we use a beautiful facility.
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  It's called Singing Hills Christian Camp in Plainfield,
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  New Hampshire, and if you're interested, you can
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  just visit their website.
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  Uh and we rent the facility for the
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  week.
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  It's again Singing Hills Christian Camp in Plainfield,
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  New Hampshire.
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  The camp is uh an hour north of
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  Concord, the Capitol, and uh very close to
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  the uh Vermont border.
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  And a beautiful setting, just uh you know
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  the beautiful setting.
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  And we use lodges.
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  So we're we're sleeping in rooms, and um
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  if most families will have their own room
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  in some cases, if the families have adolescents,
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  they might bunk in with a girls of
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  boobs, excuse me.
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  Yeah.
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  And then uh sometimes uh mom and dad
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  have their own room for themselves.
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  So we also have unaccompanied minors and um
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  unaccompanied adults.
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  So we have adults that like to participate,
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  and we have uh usually between 12 to
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  17 that'd be the unaccompanied uh camper age.
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  Uh if it's a younger than that, you
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  know, if they live nearby, because they tell
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  the parents, well, you're the ones that's gonna
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  get homesick.
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  So you're driving ten hours or flying in.
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  You may want to give that a second
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  thought.
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  Uh and we have a great program.
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  We have a program really for all ages.
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  Uh start actually starting at four.
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  From fourth.
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  We have we call excuse me.
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  We call it the patriot camp.
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  Uh-huh.
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  For the for the really young kids, yeah.
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  Yeah, four to seven, and then eight to
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  twelve, and then the older ones would be
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  uh with the adults, and that's of course
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  where you teach.
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  And uh we start off the the Sunday,
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  we register, uh, you know, we usually they're
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  all registered, they just get the room assignments,
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  and then we have orientation and campfire.
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  And the first full day, you'll have uh
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  in the morning we have an optional run
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  or swim or both.
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  That's at 6:30.
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  And then we have uh morning devotions at
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  the flagpole, we do a flag raising.
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  And if they're not familiar with the proper
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  flag etiquette, we teach them how to do
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  the flag raising, and usually somebody's playing uh
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  revelée on the bugle.
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  Yeah, they live in that real camp setting,
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  you know.
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  And uh, and then we'll have a meal,
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  of course, and then three classes in the
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  morning.
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  That would be for the older uh uh
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  teenagers and adults, each one lasting 45 minutes.
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  Start by I would like to thank some
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  of the best people of their in their
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  uh of their fields, and uh if not
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  the country uh around uh of the world,
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  including someone like you.
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  Uh yeah, oh yeah, and a privilege to
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  Yeah, oh yeah, it's a good thing.
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  teach these past six years, and uh, you
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  It's been a privilege to teach these past
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  know, the thing that I appreciate so much
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  six years, and uh, you know, the thing
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  is uh that the students, you know, you
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  that I appreciate so much is uh the
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  might think students sitting through three lectures in
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  the students, you know, you might think students
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  the morning like that uh might be antsy
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  sitting through three lectures in the morning like
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  or bored, but no, uh I've always seen
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  that uh might be antsy or bored, but
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  a great deal of interaction and and enthusiasm
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  no, uh I've always seen a great deal
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  and interest.
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  of interaction and and enthusiasm and interest.
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  Uh these these kids are really hungry and
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  Uh these these kids are really hungry and
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  hungry for for the truth that uh that
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  hungry for for the truth that uh that
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  they're learning here at Camp Constitution.
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  they're learning here at Camp Constitution.
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  Well, and so we have classes dealing with
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  Well, and so we have classes dealing with
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  the
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  the Constitution, dealing with America's godly heritage.
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  One of our instructors is uh one of
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  the nation's top trainers when it comes to
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  uh active shooters, uh Keith Hansen of um
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  Critical Dynamics.
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  So he does a wonderful class on the
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  right to keep bear arms.
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  You've taught that class over the years as
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  well.
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  And you know, we have one, you taught
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  one about the biblical basis for the self-defense.
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  That's correct.
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  Yeah, the second amendment comes comes out of
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  the word of God.
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  Yeah.
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  All of our classes uh that we we
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  videotape, almost all of them, and they're available
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  on our YouTube channel.
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  You can go back to I think 2010.
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  Uh oh, YouTube's come a long way where
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  you used to have to chop everything up
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  in 15 minutes.
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  Now you can just uh put the whole
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  class up there.
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  So we have uh Reverend Stevie Kraft.
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  He's our camp chaplain, and his focus, he
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  tends to focus on America's godly heritage, the
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  faith of the founders, and as a uh
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  he happens to be black, so he focuses
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  a lot on issues, you know, the uh
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  the the artificially created racism, the racism and
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  the DEI issue.
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  When I say artificially created, racism is something
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  that's going to be with us because of
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  the fall of man.
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  But there are people on the left that
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  have uh exploited the issue and have made
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  it uh really a full-time endeavor to promote
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  race hatred amongst the it seems it seems
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  when the left really have run out of
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  any good arguments uh then they always bring
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  out the race card, you know.
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  And if they can't answer the argument that
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  you're presenting, then they'll call you a racist,
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  regardless of any evidence to the contrary.
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  Not only that, they're having trouble manufacturing they
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  actually have to manufacture racism.
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  It's hard to find any real racism now.
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  In fact, there was a uh a spook
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  put up by um uh what's the name
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  of the group there?
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  They do the Christian-based um Babylon B.
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  Babylon B, yeah.
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  They had this guy dressed up in a
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  clan outfit and a black woman from the
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  uh Southern Poverty Law Center giving him money.
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  And he's saying, Oh, she he said it's
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  really hard to promote racism these days.
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  I mean, they actually had a call of
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  news, say uh uh uh a pull on
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  the door, you know, the the race car
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  driver was claiming that someone put a noose
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  in his garage.
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  Oh, yes, I remember that.
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  Ridiculous thing.
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  And uh and of course, uh Southern Public
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  Law Center has been a funder of the
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  rape, which is something that many of us
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  uh suspected.
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  So that's some of the Reverend Kraft teachers.
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  Then we have uh Professor Willie Soon, who's
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  one of the top climate scientists, I call
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  him a climate realist in the world, and
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  he presents scientific basis of refuting climate change
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  and all the other numerous scares over the
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  years, you know, whether whether it was um
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  what was a scare, it was uh ozone
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  holes, yeah.
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  And uh before before that, I guess we
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  were all going to freeze to death, we're
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  all gonna turn into political.
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  Now we're all gonna burn to death.
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  Oh, yeah, and then there was the uh
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  we're all gonna get skin can.
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  Yeah, they also hope it was skin cancer.
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  Then there was um uh the trees were
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  all dying because of uh what was it?
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  Um exactly.
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  Well, well, acid rain.
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  Yeah, acid rain.
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  That was another story.
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  Right, acid rain was another one.
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  Oh, it just all the uh they're always
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  every every week there's another article.
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  Oh, climate change is gonna kill the tulips.
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  Climate change is gonna kill the toads, climate
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  change is gonna do this and that.
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  Well, you know what?
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  I kind of like it when it gets
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  warm, you know, because I don't have to
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  have the heat on.
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  I'm in New Hampshire and it gets warm.
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  Right, right.
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  So you appreciate the summer.
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  It was in the 40s this morning, so
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  it was still a little chilly this morning.
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  So yeah, Willie Willie Soon is a great
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  treasure because he blows apart so and and
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  using you know scientific research, not uh any
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  theories, these are facts that he presents that
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  says they're lying to you.
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  They're lying to you about global warming.
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  They're lying to you about climate change and
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  on and on the lies go.
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  But uh excellent job of debunking all of
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  those lies.
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  Catherine White is one of uh one of
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  uh another she's she's an expert on the
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  Constitution, and she's with a group uh her
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  group is called the Constitution Decoded.
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  And then Alex Newman, who is a real
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  n another national treasure.
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  Alex is an author, uh he speaks, travels
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  around the country.
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  He's on he's got a program with several
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  networks he's on.
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  He was on Mike Lindell's uh network, but
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  I think he's don't know if he's still
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  on them enough, but he's on several um
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  and uh Liberty Sentinel is his uh that's
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  his uh tell his program.
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  And he actually does some live uh remotes
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  right at the right at camp, you know.
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  I says, Well, you got you got a
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  lot of built-in guests right here, you know.
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  You could do probably 24-7 if you could
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  with all the with all the talent we
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  have at our camp.
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  Uh and and then we bring in sometimes
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  we'll bring him, we'll bring in a guest
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  speaker or sometimes a local person, um, you
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  know, who might be uh uh expert in
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  some whatever field.
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  Uh Mary Gribar is gonna be here, uh
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  be a camp, but she's not gonna present.
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  She just wants to take it in.
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  Uh she's the author of several books, uh,
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  one of them debunking Howard Zinn.
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  You got a new book out debunking FDR.
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  Oh, I tell you what, it's a lot
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  of people.
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  Well, that's a good controversial one.
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  Well, you know what's interesting.
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  I uh little aside, I got I was
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  uh at a homeschool show in Massachusetts very
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  recently, and the Gideons had a table there.
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  And um so I reminded me of the
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  Gideon's pocket bible that they uh gave out
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  to the soldiers and sailors, uh service members
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  in general in World War II.
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  And I had a copy of a 42
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  vintage with Frankwood Roosevelt writing a foreword, strongly
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  encouraging the reading of the Bible.
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  Wow.
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  That makes him a Christian nationalist, right?
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  Oh, I guess uh well, I mean I've
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  been called the Christian answer.
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  I have to reconsider that title because he
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  was more of a he was more of
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  an atheist internationalist.
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  Right, right.
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  But he realized but he realized the culture
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  was very Christian, and so he put that
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  in.
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  So I got a copy of it.
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  I got a I got a night early
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  41 before Pearl Harbor.
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  So and he talks about uh the Bible
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  as being such an important book.
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  And uh I said, well, he was the
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  president of the United States putting this information,
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  and he was no had no trouble uh
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  with the uh you know putting this in
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  the Gideon's Bible.
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  So that's that that's well, so wait a
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  minute.
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  Now you make reference to God and you
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  learn nationalists, uh I guess I'm one then.
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  Whatever that, you know, what they have their
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  own definition.
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  Yeah, and you wonder what's uh you know,
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  what's their alternative?
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  Uh internationalist atheists, you know.
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  Well, that's Karl Marx and Lenin and Stalin
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  and uh Xi Jinping and all these other
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  Ping and all these other totalitarians who don't
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  totalitarians who don't believe anybody has any God
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  believe anybody has any God given rights.
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  given rights.
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  Uh that's not a very good alternative, even
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  That's not a very good alternative, even if
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  if a person's not a Christian, right?
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  a person's not a Christian.
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  Or a Christian internationalist, which is some of
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  Or Christian internationalists, which is some of these
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  these uh these uh I call them uh
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  uh these uh I call them uh uh
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  uh heretical churches.
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  heretical churches.
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  Uh they may call them woke churches, but
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  Uh they may call them woke churches, but
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  you find a rainbow flag in front of
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  you're finding a rainbow flag in front of
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  your church, uh it's some serious isn't just
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  your church, uh some serious this isn't just
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  woke, this is subscribing.
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  woke, this is some serious uh biblical issues
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  That's right.
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  here.
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  Apostasy where they have rejected.
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  Apostasy where they have rejected.
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  That's the word I was looking for.
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  So we're gonna have to we're gonna have
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  to go to a break here, but after
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  we come back from the break, Halan wants
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  you to talk to tell us more about
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  uh what impact we're seeing Camp Constitution have
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  uh with the students and and what do
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  we hear back from the parents, and uh
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  we want to tell people as well how
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  they can uh sign up and join us
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  for that beautiful week in the middle of
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  July uh there at Camp Constitution.
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  Well, this is Pastor David Whitney with Don't
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  at Don't Invive Toolate.
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  I'm your host, Master David Whitney.
• 18:29
  I served as a senior instructor at Institute
• 18:31
  on the Constitution.
• 18:33
  And uh uh our website is the AmericanView.com,
• 18:36
  where you can learn a great deal about
• 18:39
  what our founders believed about law and government.
• 18:42
  But this this today, we're we're interviewing Hal
• 18:44
  Shirtlith, the co-founder of Camp Constitution, and uh
• 18:47
  Hal, you've been telling us some of the
• 18:49
  people you uh have lined up.
• 18:52
  I remember the year where we brought in
• 18:54
  a presidential candidate of all things.
• 18:56
  That's right.
• 18:58
  Stop speech of uh Vec uh Ramaswamy.
• 19:00
  Of course, he didn't go on to actually
• 19:02
  win the primary, but he has played a
• 19:04
  significant role.
• 19:05
  I know initially he was part of Doge,
• 19:07
  and I think last I heard he was
• 19:09
  running for the governorship of Ohio and so
• 19:11
  on, but uh, you know, it's it's quite
• 19:13
  an honor to have somebody from the national
• 19:15
  stage uh in in the political sense, uh,
• 19:17
  come and share Camp Constitution.
• 19:20
  Do you recall some of the incidents as
• 19:22
  why he chose to come to Camp Constitution?
• 19:24
  Well, I actually met him because living in
• 19:26
  New Hampshire, we're the first primary in the
• 19:28
  country, so it's very easy to meet the
• 19:30
  candidates.
• 19:32
  I met him in the next town from
• 19:33
  me.
• 19:34
  I'm in Alta, I met him in Wolfboro,
• 19:36
  it was in March of what, twenty three,
• 19:38
  maybe I think that's right.
• 19:40
  Yeah.
• 19:41
  Twenty-four.
• 19:41
  I know a time goes by.
• 19:43
  Um and he uh it was very interesting.
• 19:46
  He said uh that we need to abolish
• 19:47
  the Department of Education.
• 19:49
  I said, Oh, this guy's speaking my language.
• 19:52
  So uh a friend of mine worked for
• 19:53
  him, and that's how uh he was able
• 19:55
  to come to camp.
• 19:57
  And we you know, we don't endorse candidates.
• 19:59
  Uh, we I we said that um we
• 20:01
  told we don't endorse anybody, but we're giving
• 20:04
  the campers a chance to vet a legitimate
• 20:06
  presidential candidate.
• 20:09
  And he came and it was kind of
• 20:10
  exciting.
• 20:11
  He had uh Fox News was there, I
• 20:13
  think ABC and CBS was there.
• 20:16
  And he gave a presentation, and I think
• 20:19
  it was about almost four almost an hour,
• 20:21
  the QA session, and we told the parents
• 20:23
  guess the youngsters who ask questions.
• 20:26
  Yeah.
• 20:27
  You know, the parents asked the question.
• 20:29
  So one one young man, uh a guy
• 20:31
  from Queens, uh, he said, uh, what's the
• 20:33
  purpose of government?
• 20:35
  That was a question.
• 20:36
  What a great question.
• 20:38
  But you know, the and you see you
• 20:40
  you answered that question, and when you introduced
• 20:42
  the show, it's to protect uh you know,
• 20:44
  protect the rights of uh its citizens, right?
• 20:47
  God give a simple answer.
• 20:48
  Uh they gave uh kind of a long-winded,
• 20:50
  I thought, well, if I was creating him,
• 20:52
  I'd give him half credit, you know.
• 20:54
  Yeah.
• 20:55
  It wasn't what we're looking for, but it
• 20:56
  was okay.
• 20:58
  W what I was so pleased with, Hal
• 21:00
  The students who, by the way, that week
• 21:00
  is the students who, by the way, that
• 21:02
  I have been teaching on the most important
• 21:02
  week I have been teaching on the most
• 21:04
  question you can ask any political candidate is
• 21:04
  important question you can ask any political candidate
• 21:06
  this what's the purpose of government?
• 21:06
  is this what's the purpose of government?
• 21:08
  And that the answer must be the specific
• 21:08
  And that the answer must be the specific
• 21:10
  answer given in the Declaration of Independence to
• 21:10
  answer given in the Declaration of Independence to
• 21:12
  protect our God given rights, because there is
• 21:12
  protect our God given rights because there is
• 21:14
  a creator guide, our rights come from him,
• 21:14
  a creator God, our rights come from him,
• 21:17
  and that's the only purpose of government.
• 21:17
  and that's the only purpose of government.
• 21:19
  So Hal, I was so pleased with that
• 21:19
  So Hal, I was so pleased with that
• 21:20
  student.
• 21:20
  student.
• 21:21
  Not only did he ask the right question,
• 21:21
  Not only did he ask the right question,
• 21:23
  he didn't let Vivek Brahmaswami off the hook
• 21:23
  he didn't let Vivek Brahmaswamy off the hook
• 21:26
  when the question he came was kind of
• 21:26
  when the question he came up.
• 21:28
  he came back and said, No, Vivek.
• 21:28
  He came back and said, No, Vivek.
• 21:30
  Well, I don't think he used his first
• 21:31
  name.
• 21:31
  No, Mr.
• 21:32
  Ramaswamy, it is to protect God given rights.
• 21:36
  And Vebec went in response, oh yes, oh
• 21:38
  yes, of course, you know, he read the
• 21:40
  declaration of independence, but it really wasn't in
• 21:43
  his direct thinking.
• 21:45
  So the thing that blessed me so much
• 21:47
  is there we have a high school student.
• 21:49
  I if I remember has been coming to
• 21:51
  camp constitution for a number of years.
• 21:52
  Yes, for a few years, yeah.
• 21:54
  Yes, so this high school student was schooling
• 21:56
  a presidential candidate on the form of government
• 21:59
  and the purpose of government that we have,
• 22:01
  and that to me was was just the
• 22:04
  highlight of that that whole week.
• 22:06
  Well, we get you asking about feedback we
• 22:08
  get from campers and parents.
• 22:11
  Um I remember one uh young man, he
• 22:13
  was from Ohio, and we brought in the
• 22:16
  speaker was uh uh talking about Uncle Sam,
• 22:18
  the real Uncle Sam, the historical figure, Uncle
• 22:21
  Sam Wilson.
• 22:23
  And we actually went to his house in
• 22:25
  uh at the time was in nearby.
• 22:27
  We were our camp was in uh a
• 22:29
  different part of New Hampshire, a little bit
• 22:31
  south, about an hour and a half south
• 22:32
  of where we are now, and we took
• 22:34
  a trip to the house.
• 22:36
  And so he's at he's in his school,
• 22:37
  and he he went to a public school,
• 22:39
  I believe.
• 22:40
  And most of our campers are from homeschool
• 22:42
  or but we do have some from public
• 22:43
  school.
• 22:45
  And we always tell them if you're going
• 22:47
  to correct the teacher, do it very politely,
• 22:48
  don't go up there and say you're a
• 22:50
  dummy or you don't know anything, you know,
• 22:52
  you have to be very polite.
• 22:53
  Uh even do it after sometimes.
• 22:56
  So anyway, the teacher was talking about his
• 22:57
  uncle, he said, Well, that's he's not a
• 22:58
  real person.
• 23:00
  And he put his hand up, he says,
• 23:01
  Well, uh, as a matter of fact, he
• 23:03
  is.
• 23:04
  No, no, no, he's make believe he's simple.
• 23:06
  And so he gets on his phone and
• 23:07
  he says, Oh my goodness, we didn't learn
• 23:09
  that.
• 23:12
  So I thought that was kind of a
• 23:13
  fun thing.
• 23:15
  But yeah, every so uh, you know, we'll
• 23:17
  we'll get feedback, and sometimes it's years later.
• 23:19
  You know, they'll say, What uh you know,
• 23:21
  well, what a great impact.
• 23:22
  Professor Willie Soon, whose family comes to his
• 23:25
  boys and daughter, and he just raves about
• 23:27
  the influence, the very positive influence.
• 23:30
  The the youngest son wanted to learn how
• 23:32
  to play the bugle so he could play
• 23:34
  taps and literally at camp, but now he's
• 23:36
  an accomplished uh he's an accomplished musician, you
• 23:38
  know.
• 23:41
  So there's a lot of positive, I mean,
• 23:43
  not just that, but uh other but I
• 23:46
  think the best thing is that an example
• 23:48
  of this young man politely confronting a candidate
• 23:51
  for the presidency.
• 23:53
  And that's how we we don't want you
• 23:55
  know, having all this information is wonderful, uh,
• 23:58
  but it's idea of sharing it, you know.
• 24:00
  So they go back to their family back
• 24:02
  home and whatever circles they're in, and they
• 24:04
  share the information.
• 24:07
  And uh I love it when I have
• 24:08
  people ask me, oh, I need to I
• 24:10
  need to do uh term paper.
• 24:11
  What can you have?
• 24:12
  Oh man, what uh it's a question of
• 24:14
  I have more you know, we have more
• 24:16
  resources than you others need, but please uh
• 24:18
  you know, if it's if it's history, if
• 24:20
  it's uh the topics that we cover, you
• 24:22
  see.
• 24:25
  So after it's thrilling to see that hunger,
• 24:27
  yeah.
• 24:31
  Exactly.
• 24:31
  So it's funny with the academic uh issues.
• 24:34
  We also have things that you find at
• 24:37
  most camps, we have uh swimming and hiking,
• 24:39
  uh basketball net, a gaga pit.
• 24:42
  Those are something younger people.
• 24:44
  My my youngest daughter, when we were looking
• 24:46
  for a facility uh back in nineteen, she
• 24:48
  said it have to have a gaga pit.
• 24:51
  No gaga pit, no camp.
• 24:52
  And so you're young, you know exactly what
• 24:53
  that is.
• 24:55
  Uh we also have chess tournaments, uh, volleyball
• 24:57
  tournaments, wiffle ball, and we take it we
• 25:00
  take an optional field trip every Wednesday, the
• 25:03
  week Wednesday at camp.
• 25:06
  Uh last year it was a Calvin Coolidge
• 25:09
  homestead, which is and that's a that's a
• 25:11
  beautiful site and a very interesting history there
• 25:13
  because for me, at least, Hal, uh uh
• 25:16
  of the presidents of the 20th century, he
• 25:18
  was the best president because he used his
• 25:21
  V veto pen again and again and again.
• 25:23
  Anytime he saw some piece of legislation that
• 25:26
  he deemed unconstitutional, veto, veto, veto.
• 25:30
  And so the historians hate him and they
• 25:31
  you know they denigrate him, but I think
• 25:33
  he was the best president we had in
• 25:34
  the 20th century.
• 25:36
  You actually you were teaching about when the
• 25:39
  American Indians became full citizens, it was Calvin
• 25:41
  Coolidge, and we get to the homestead is
• 25:44
  a picture of Calvin in full Indian headdress
• 25:46
  he's been an honorary chief, signing, you know,
• 25:49
  with with some local some Indians.
• 25:51
  I think they were Sue Indians.
• 25:53
  So, you know, that was your lesson being
• 25:54
  reinforced.
• 25:55
  Yeah.
• 25:55
  But what people say about how come you
• 25:57
  like Calvin Coolidge?
• 25:59
  What did he ever do?
• 25:59
  I say exactly.
• 26:01
  Yeah, we want a president.
• 26:03
  How do I like the bad stuff and
• 26:06
  won't do unconstitutional stuff?
• 26:08
  Yeah, that's the kind of presidents we need,
• 26:09
  right?
• 26:11
  This is when people complain about, oh, my
• 26:13
  congressman hasn't cast a vote.
• 26:15
  He he's missed 80% of his votes.
• 26:17
  Well, if he's gonna vote the wrong way,
• 26:18
  why don't he why don't you miss all
• 26:20
  of them?
• 26:23
  Anyway, so for people who are interested in
• 26:26
  uh attending or learning more about us and
• 26:29
  have any questions, first you can visit our
• 26:31
  website, AMP Constitution.net on the home page.
• 26:34
  You can uh there's a place for an
• 26:36
  application, uh, and you can pay to our
• 26:39
  PayPal, or you can pay with a check
• 26:41
  and mail it to the address, which is
• 26:43
  my address on the application, 100 down payment
• 26:45
  uh for each person.
• 26:47
  Now we are we we are a charitable
• 26:50
  trust, so we're not making money here.
• 26:52
  We're not supposed to make money, we're not
• 26:54
  supposed to lose a whole lot of money
• 26:55
  too, but we're not supposed to make money.
• 26:57
  We charge right now, we charge for uh
• 26:59
  from 13 and over $300 for the whole
• 27:01
  week.
• 27:04
  That's well, that's a bargain.
• 27:06
  That's you know, lodging meals and some handouts.
• 27:09
  We have a camp picture, which is an
• 27:11
  optional thing to buy.
• 27:12
  We have a bookstore and snack bar, that's
• 27:14
  all, you know, but but the basics we
• 27:16
  cover all that.
• 27:18
  And if you're uh 12 and under, it's
• 27:20
  uh 200, and three and under, of course,
• 27:22
  with parents.
• 27:24
  Don't don't drop off your baby and the
• 27:27
  back of the it's free, you know.
• 27:30
  And we do have uh tuition, or I
• 27:32
  shouldn't say camp fee help available.
• 27:34
  For example, we had uh we have a
• 27:37
  homeschool family or family of ten, you know,
• 27:39
  so we just say, hey, pay what you
• 27:41
  can, and we'll cover the rest.
• 27:44
  And and you know, hell to be that's
• 27:46
  one of the beautiful things about this is
• 27:48
  uh it's a family camp, kids of all
• 27:51
  ages, parents of all ages, senior citizens.
• 27:53
  Uh it's the full range uh rather than
• 27:55
  off of what you uh see at a
• 27:57
  summer camp, is the kids go off with
• 27:59
  uh only kids of their own age, and
• 28:00
  Kids go off with uh only kids of
• 28:01
  they're not going to interact with uh any
• 28:02
  their own age, and they're not going to
• 28:03
  older or younger, not not here at Camp
• 28:04
  interact with uh any older or younger, not
• 28:05
  Constitution.
• 28:06
  not here at Camp Constitution.
• 28:08
  I love that.
• 28:08
  I love that.
• 28:09
  Yeah, and well, I was involved with a
• 28:09
  Yeah, and well, I was involved with a
• 28:11
  camp that was uh and we sort of
• 28:11
  camp that was uh and we sort of
• 28:13
  modeled to some extent where it was teenagers
• 28:13
  modeled to some extent where it was teenagers
• 28:15
  and some of the parents, but this is
• 28:15
  and some of the parents.
• 28:17
  the problem.
• 28:18
  But this is the problem.
• 28:19
  A lot of parents have children that are
• 28:19
  A lot of parents have children that are
• 28:22
  under five, six, seven, or even younger, and
• 28:22
  under five, six, seven or even younger, and
• 28:25
  they have teenagers.
• 28:25
  they have teenagers.
• 28:28
  So they would bring the dad.
• 28:28
  So they would bring the dad would come
• 28:29
  with the teenagers.
• 28:31
  Meanwhile, mom's home with the little ones and
• 28:33
  her helpers, her teenage helpers are at camp
• 28:35
  having a great time.
• 28:38
  They come back home, and we had a
• 28:39
  great time.
• 28:40
  But mom didn't have mom's a in a
• 28:41
  hot summer.
• 28:43
  She's changing now.
• 28:44
  She uh so now we take mom.
• 28:46
  Now she may have to still change diapers,
• 28:47
  but you don't have to cook for the
• 28:48
  whole week.
• 28:50
  And you're meeting a lot of like-minded ladies,
• 28:52
  you know, and we actually have a program
• 28:53
  for the ladies, they get together.
• 28:55
  We do a uh my wife usually does
• 28:57
  an arts and crafts things for them.
• 28:58
  And as a result of that, we started
• 29:01
  a ladies' retreat, uh, just ended a few
• 29:03
  weekends ago, and so they get together uh
• 29:05
  outside of the the camp program, you know,
• 29:08
  the week-long camp, and uh they have a
• 29:10
  great time, great fellowship.
• 29:12
  And what's and the other important thing too
• 29:14
  is friends.
• 29:16
  The most important thing, other than accepting Christ
• 29:18
  as your savior, uh when it comes to
• 29:21
  your children, is the people they associate with,
• 29:23
  because bad company will just one bad mistake
• 29:26
  can ruin someone's life, you know.
• 29:28
  Uh so um I like to think that
• 29:31
  the children that come to our camp are
• 29:33
  the ones that I want my children, uh,
• 29:35
  my youngest is 21.
• 29:38
  She went through the camp program, uh, and
• 29:40
  they make lifelong friendships.
• 29:42
  Now, let me tell you about my daughter,
• 29:43
  uh Emily.
• 29:44
  When the Roby Wade decision came out, uh
• 29:47
  the leak came out, she was in a
• 29:49
  program, she was running at the uh we
• 29:51
  homeschooled, but she was running track at the
• 29:54
  local school, not inside outside track.
• 29:57
  And she's she was making such a wonderful
• 29:59
  defense of the right to life.
• 30:02
  And I said, Wow, he makes better.
• 30:06
  He's making better points than I would.
• 30:08
  I'm not even going to interrupt.
• 30:09
  I mean, so she's learning something, you know.
• 30:12
  And then she's I can't I have to
• 30:13
  say she got a lot of it at
• 30:15
  at Camp Constitution, if not through me directly
• 30:16
  through some of our instructors or what have
• 30:18
  you.
• 30:19
  So and my wife, too, by the way.
• 30:21
  Yeah, so this is just uh amazing.
• 30:23
  So it's an important it's important to know
• 30:26
  the facts, as I mentioned earlier, but then
• 30:28
  you have to defend uh or make uh
• 30:31
  you know uh we in Christianity it's called
• 30:33
  apologetics, you know, defending the faith.
• 30:36
  Uh also uh we haven't we did a
• 30:39
  class on logic a few years ago, but
• 30:41
  I don't know if I'm I'm working on
• 30:44
  a uh program because it's so important to
• 30:46
  identify when people are using fallacious reasoning to
• 30:49
  make sense and that's often what the left
• 30:51
  is doing in all of their arguments, right?
• 30:55
  The ultimate one is calling you a name,
• 30:56
  you know.
• 30:58
  Yeah, right.
• 30:59
  When they've lost the argument, you know they've
• 31:00
  lost the argument because then they just heard
• 31:02
  the name calling it.
• 31:04
  They call you names, that's just the O.
• 31:06
  But I actually looked up that's if there's
• 31:08
  a term called fallacy.
• 31:11
  And there really isn't, so I'm gonna copyright
• 31:12
  that.
• 31:14
  You know, it's it's under the ad hominem,
• 31:15
  you know, it's in that same like a
• 31:16
  subdivision.
• 31:18
  Is that if you're if you're for uh
• 31:20
  secure borders, you're a xenophobe, you know.
• 31:23
  Yeah.
• 31:23
  Uh, you know, if uh so whatever phobia
• 31:25
  is, there's all kinds of you know, the
• 31:28
  fill the fill in the blank, you know.
• 31:30
  Uh so anyway, yeah.
• 31:32
  So go to our website, Camp Constitution.net, and
• 31:34
  uh uh and is is the space uh
• 31:36
  still available so people could sign up with
• 31:38
  July.
• 31:41
  Yeah, we yeah, we have space available uh
• 31:43
  at this point.
• 31:45
  Because it begins Sunday, July uh 12th.
• 31:48
  It starts July 12th, Sunday, that's right.
• 31:51
  And we can take registrations up until even
• 31:53
  a few days before camp, but we always
• 31:55
  can't guarantee you a room.
• 31:57
  Now, one year, a couple of years ago,
• 31:59
  we had a lot more than we ever
• 32:00
  expect.
• 32:01
  We had like 160.
• 32:02
  Oh, that was after the Tucker Carlson interview,
• 32:04
  right?
• 32:06
  Yes, really soon got on Tucker Carlson.
• 32:09
  Um the interview was in 23 in December.
• 32:12
  They aired it in January of 24, and
• 32:15
  Willie gave it was like a minute and
• 32:18
  a half, uh unscripted infomercial from the heart.
• 32:22
  And Willie has uh he's from Indonesia, he's
• 32:25
  Chinese uh national from Indonesia, so obviously speaks
• 32:27
  with an accent, and he's really funny.
• 32:30
  He was uh he's like, it's a tiny
• 32:31
  tiny camp.
• 32:33
  He said, But you have to have to
• 32:34
  say you have to come.
• 32:35
  And then he said he said, uh we
• 32:37
  talk about Jesus, but not all the time,
• 32:39
  which means he said it's Christian centric, but
• 32:41
  you know, it's not a Bible camp.
• 32:45
  And we got, you know, we usually no
• 32:47
  we usually get maybe fifty to sixty visits
• 32:49
  on our website a day.
• 32:51
  It's like a you think of a little
• 32:53
  neighborhood groceries, uh mom and pop store, right?
• 32:56
  You know, you get the coach, but all
• 32:57
  of a sudden I'm looking at the uh
• 32:59
  you know, the the uh Natalie's done on
• 33:00
  my with the website.
• 33:02
  We got like 50,000 views on the way
• 33:05
  and we got some unsolicited donations, and uh
• 33:07
  and that's really targeting the market, you know,
• 33:10
  because when we had our flag case, which
• 33:13
  we'll uh maybe talk about it another time,
• 33:15
  uh we got loads of media coverage, but
• 33:18
  not nearly as much of a response as
• 33:20
  that one and a half minute infomercial, which
• 33:23
  you can actually find on our website uh
• 33:25
  just put in Willie Soon, uh Tucker Carlson,
• 33:28
  and we don't have the whole interview, but
• 33:31
  we have that little segment.
• 33:33
  And the website again five minute segment of
• 33:37
  the the existence of God, proof of God.
• 33:40
  Wow.
• 33:40
  Yeah, yeah.
• 33:41
  And you know, Willie was when we first
• 33:43
  met him, he was uh well, he wasn't
• 33:45
  a believer, but I think uh hanging out
• 33:47
  with us, uh you're either gonna be a
• 33:49
  believer or you stop hanging out with us.
• 33:52
  Yes, that's how it works, right?
• 33:55
  Oh, it's it's wonderful.
• 33:56
  Well, uh the website again is Camp Constitution.net.
• 34:00
  Yes, right.
• 34:02
  And again, if you want to visit you
• 34:04
  could go to our web our YouTube channel,
• 34:06
  which you can access from the home uh
• 34:08
  page, Camp Constitution, and you can see our
• 34:10
  classes and activity over the years.
• 34:12
  You know, and we have a lot of,
• 34:14
  you know, after the the classes are fun.
• 34:16
  Imagine how there are uh you know, people
• 34:17
  instructors like you make it fun, a lot
• 34:19
  of hands-on.
• 34:21
  I know one year you brought your musket,
• 34:23
  and I'm gonna bring five brown best, but
• 34:24
  I got good.
• 34:26
  Yes.
• 34:27
  And it's a it's a replica, it's a
• 34:28
  firing replica.
• 34:29
  We also have uh marksmanship, which is an
• 34:31
  optional thing.
• 34:32
  We do shooting, we have Christian self-defense optional
• 34:34
  in the afternoon.
• 34:37
  So we have we it's like a three-wing
• 34:38
  circus of stuff going on all the time,
• 34:40
  you know.
• 34:42
  Yeah, no time, no time for the kids
• 34:43
  to be bored.
• 34:44
  There's uh some of the activities going on.
• 34:48
  I have my son and a few of
• 34:49
  his buddies at an event, and they said,
• 34:51
  We're bored.
• 34:52
  Oh, yeah, I want to be event organized.
• 34:54
  They said, These guys are bored.
• 34:55
  Oh, well, hex, you know, they got these
• 34:57
  t shirts on that says volunteer.
• 34:58
  Yeah, they're not bored now.
• 35:00
  Yeah.
• 35:03
  And uh we we've got to go to
• 35:04
  We've got to go to a break here
• 35:04
  a break here in just a moment, and
• 35:05
  in just a moment, and when we come
• 35:06
  when we come back, we'll talk about uh
• 35:07
  back, we'll talk about uh how people can
• 35:07
  how people can get involved who don't have
• 35:09
  get involved who don't have kids, because you
• 35:09
  kids, because you might say, Well, you know,
• 35:10
  might say, well, you know, this sounds like
• 35:10
  this sounds like it's a program just for
• 35:12
  it's a program just for kids and all
• 35:12
  kids and all we'll we'll do that after
• 35:13
  we'll we'll do that after the break.
• 35:14
  the break.
• 35:15
  I want to remind you that uh we
• 35:15
  I want to remind you that uh we
• 35:18
  here at Don't Imbibe the Kool-Aid are bringing
• 35:18
  here at Don't Imbibe the Kool-Aid are bringing
• 35:20
  two litmus tests by which to test every
• 35:20
  two litmus tests by which to test every
• 35:23
  truth claim that we hear in our culture.
• 35:23
  truth claim that we hear in our culture.
• 35:25
  And many, many truth claims are pushed out
• 35:25
  And many, many truth claims are pushed out
• 35:27
  at you every single day, and the key
• 35:27
  at you every single day.
• 35:28
  is.
• 35:29
  And the key is how do you test
• 35:30
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• 35:31
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• 35:33
  Don't imbibe the Kool-Aid.
• 35:34
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• 35:36
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• 35:38
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• 35:39
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• 35:40
  universe.
• 35:42
  Our founders called it laws of nature, and
• 35:44
  nature's God, and we need to test every
• 35:46
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• 35:48
  it it actually fits with the laws of
• 35:51
  the universe.
• 35:53
  Uh so if uh you know, you tried
• 35:55
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• 35:57
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• 35:58
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• 36:00
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• 36:02
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• 36:03
  The Bible is the word of God.
• 36:04
  The second standard, of course, is our founding
• 36:06
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• 36:09
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• 36:11
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  on Don't Invibe the Constitution.
• 38:52
  Don't imbibe the Kool-Aid that imbibe the Constitution
• 38:54
  and the Word of God as I should
• 38:56
  say as a follow-up to I'm your host,
• 38:58
  Pastor David Whitney serving as senior instructor at
• 39:00
  Institute on the Constitution.
• 39:02
  And uh the website that gives you many,
• 39:05
  many resources on our founder's view of law
• 39:07
  and government is the Americanview.com.
• 39:10
  Well, today we're interviewing Hal Shirtlith, a co-founder
• 39:12
  of Camp Constitution.
• 39:15
  We're talking about the impact that it makes
• 39:17
  on the lives of students who study uh
• 39:20
  what we say is the founder's view of
• 39:22
  law and government, that American view of law
• 39:24
  and government, and understand many things about the
• 39:27
  lies that they're being pushed that are being
• 39:29
  pushed at them, the lies of climate change
• 39:32
  and the you know, the lies that um
• 39:34
  uh that we have billions and billions of
• 39:36
  years of evolution uh and the lies that
• 39:39
  would reject what our founders crafted and call
• 39:41
  it uh democracy when we are not at
• 39:44
  all a democracy, we're a constitutional republic.
• 39:46
  Uh and uh as we're talking with Hal,
• 39:49
  it's uh so encouraging to see the difference
• 39:51
  this program is making in the lives of
• 39:54
  young people.
• 39:56
  And so if you have a young person,
• 39:58
  I have folks in my church that are
• 40:00
  gonna send their granddaughter uh to camp this
• 40:02
  year because uh they know that she needs
• 40:05
  to be exposed to these truths because she's
• 40:07
  hearing all the lies uh in the culture,
• 40:09
  all the lies in the classroom.
• 40:11
  Uh she's getting all this Kool-Aid.
• 40:13
  Well, she needs to not imbibe the Kool-Aid
• 40:15
  and discover uh what the truth is.
• 40:18
  So Hal, tell us a bit about uh
• 40:19
  how uh adults who may or may not
• 40:21
  have children, or maybe they've got grandchildren like
• 40:23
  folks in my church.
• 40:25
  How can they uh get involved?
• 40:26
  And and should they themselves consider uh coming
• 40:28
  to camp as well.
• 40:31
  Well, our camp is for unaccompanied adults as
• 40:33
  well.
• 40:35
  And uh it's funny, one of our unaccompanied
• 40:38
  adults we put her on staff as uh
• 40:40
  as an assistant uh uh assistant athletic director,
• 40:43
  but she was like our one of our
• 40:46
  most uh active campers, and she's in her
• 40:49
  fifties, you know.
• 40:52
  So uh and she had a great she
• 40:53
  has a great time.
• 40:54
  We have a couple from Maine that have
• 40:56
  been coming on a regular basis that they
• 40:58
  love really soon, and and then they started
• 40:59
  coming to camp, and there's their wife.
• 41:01
  I think they're in their 70s and they're
• 41:03
  singing 20 old-fashioned songs at the campfire, so
• 41:06
  they really enjoy it.
• 41:08
  Uh and you can also help us financially.
• 41:11
  Yes.
• 41:12
  And uh we we've for years we've said
• 41:14
  we've never turned away a worthy camper or
• 41:16
  family for lack of funds.
• 41:19
  We only did it once, it was because
• 41:20
  we they approached us a day before camp
• 41:22
  and we were full.
• 41:24
  Uh I said, see, we just can't we
• 41:26
  can't do it this year, uh unfortunately.
• 41:28
  But um so uh we we've done that
• 41:30
  because we were able to run that.
• 41:33
  You know, we uh the camp that the
• 41:35
  camp we run we lease a facility and
• 41:37
  we know we have our of course our
• 41:39
  uh expenses um as well.
• 41:42
  But we have a lot of people who
• 41:44
  will donate, gladly donate money uh to help
• 41:46
  uh make the make a week at camp
• 41:48
  possible.
• 41:50
  And also um if you have a nonprofit
• 41:52
  or a business, I say a nonprofit, a
• 41:55
  like-minded nonprofit.
• 41:59
  If you with Southern Puppy Law City, no
• 42:00
  Southern puppy lawsuit.
• 42:01
  thanks to us anyway.
• 42:01
  No things donate to us anyway.
• 42:05
  By the way, I'm on their hate list.
• 42:05
  By the way, I'm on their hate list.
• 42:08
  Uh I was so glad to see that
• 42:08
  I uh I was so glad to see
• 42:10
  uh, you know, this lawsuit against them, and
• 42:10
  that uh, you know, this lawsuit against them,
• 42:11
  we pray that it it succeeds and penalizes
• 42:11
  and we pray that it it succeeds and
• 42:13
  them severely because uh they have put me
• 42:13
  penalizes them severely because uh they have put
• 42:15
  and my good friend Michael Peruka and another
• 42:15
  me and uh my good friend Michael Peruka
• 42:17
  member of our church are on their hate
• 42:17
  and another member of our church are on
• 42:19
  list.
• 42:19
  their hate list.
• 42:21
  Uh we're on their hate list too.
• 42:21
  Uh we're on their hate list too.
• 42:23
  That's right, yeah.
• 42:23
  That's right, yeah.
• 42:23
  So it's a great honor to be on
• 42:23
  So it's a great honor to be on
• 42:25
  the hate list of that evil marches for
• 42:25
  the hate list of that evil Marxist Christianity.
• 42:26
  the well they're not sending us any money
• 42:28
  to do to run the camp program, you
• 42:29
  know.
• 42:32
  I can we could use a few million,
• 42:33
  but they're not gonna they're they're not gonna
• 42:34
  notice.
• 42:36
  Uh not that I could really take I
• 42:38
  uh it's really what you call ill gotten
• 42:39
  gains, because God won't honor that if I
• 42:41
  take money from so I'm sort of kidding
• 42:42
  there.
• 42:44
  Uh yeah, but they have us listed in
• 42:46
  North Carolina, and a couple of years ago
• 42:48
  I called them, and at the time our
• 42:50
  camp manager and co-founder, Charlie Everett, and the
• 42:52
  reason why it was he he l he
• 42:54
  lived in Charlotte and he would he would
• 42:56
  receive the applications, and so they thought we
• 42:59
  were based in North Carolina, and I called
• 43:01
  them up.
• 43:03
  I actually recorded the uh the the call
• 43:05
  and I said you need to get your
• 43:07
  hate straight.
• 43:10
  Uh I know that uh the purpose of
• 43:12
  this is to get your more triggered people
• 43:14
  who you know to cause harm and mayhem
• 43:16
  and what have you against these people.
• 43:19
  I said he's an elderly man, lives with
• 43:21
  his wife, and you know, and uh so
• 43:22
  they never corrected it.
• 43:24
  So with all the money they're getting from
• 43:26
  corporate, although I think some of it's drying
• 43:28
  up, thankfully.
• 43:29
  Um but they have a they're worth a
• 43:31
  half a billion dollar, no more than half
• 43:32
  a billion.
• 43:35
  Three fourths of a billion dollars.
• 43:37
  They're really fighting barbecue, right?
• 43:39
  Yeah, they're they're they're filthy rich and offshore
• 43:41
  accounts, I understand a lot of that.
• 43:44
  They're they're not in poverty, at least that
• 43:46
  group isn't.
• 43:47
  Yeah, so uh and it is a badge
• 43:49
  of honor to be listed uh on their
• 43:51
  hate list because uh the old saying if
• 43:53
  you if you're catching flat, you're over the
• 43:55
  target.
• 43:57
  That's right, yeah.
• 43:59
  Yeah.
• 43:59
  So uh and you know, the the one
• 44:01
  year that we had people from tell us
• 44:04
  about that, the year that uh some people
• 44:06
  came from Germany and I forget South Africa
• 44:08
  that there was a one year that's the
• 44:10
  Carlton interview took place.
• 44:13
  Yeah, well, the couple from South Africa are
• 44:15
  friends with uh Reverend Stevie Kraft and his
• 44:17
  wife and they go to they're on the
• 44:20
  missionary field, and that's where the this particular
• 44:22
  gentleman, he was a uh prison guard in
• 44:24
  South Africa, I think.
• 44:27
  What he did for a living, and he
• 44:28
  has a ministry, so uh so Rev Reverend
• 44:30
  Craft and he came uh nice people to
• 44:32
  it.
• 44:34
  Just uh just love these.
• 44:35
  And they're not able to make it this
• 44:36
  year.
• 44:36
  Um but they were gonna come last year.
• 44:38
  But the family from uh Germany that may
• 44:40
  come this year, they happen to hear really
• 44:43
  soon, and they came.
• 44:45
  Now they came to be not they spent
• 44:46
  two months, but they came primarily to be
• 44:48
  at our camp.
• 44:49
  Wow.
• 44:50
  And then we had a family of messianic
• 44:51
  Jews from Texas.
• 44:53
  Now, uh if you ask me, you know,
• 44:55
  where would you find Messianic Jews?
• 44:57
  I don't know if Texas would be the
• 44:58
  first place I would go.
• 45:00
  But I I think the wife was uh
• 45:03
  Texas Texan and her husband was uh uh
• 45:05
  uh who was I think from the Northeast
• 45:07
  and relocated there, and they were raised in
• 45:10
  that messianic tradition, you know, Christian Jewish converts,
• 45:12
  converts.
• 45:15
  And so the three daughters and the wife
• 45:16
  with our southern with their southern drawls, you
• 45:18
  know.
• 45:19
  Single singing uh they were singing a couple
• 45:22
  of Jewish folk songs at our at our
• 45:24
  camp at our campfire.
• 45:26
  By the way, we do have a nightly
• 45:28
  campfire, and every night uh the campfire, which
• 45:30
  uh is very popular.
• 45:33
  We uh we have um you know, we
• 45:35
  have a song book where we sing some
• 45:37
  old Christ some of the Christian hymns, uh
• 45:39
  we have skits, uh horny jokes, people play
• 45:41
  instruments.
• 45:44
  I know you're you're famous for those, right?
• 45:46
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 45:47
  I'm no I'm intimate for those.
• 45:50
  Oh yeah, but I like your words about
• 45:51
  Stalin in particular.
• 45:52
  But anyway, that's it.
• 45:53
  Well, yeah, I do tell some about some
• 45:54
  stuff.
• 45:55
  Well, see, these jokes were told in the
• 45:57
  Soviet Union, you know, and in fact, um
• 45:59
  in order to say sane, you have to
• 46:01
  have a sense of humor.
• 46:03
  Whether you lived in the Stalin Soviet Union
• 46:05
  or you lived in uh in the United
• 46:06
  States, uh you have to uh I'm from
• 46:08
  Boston, you know.
• 46:10
  I tell people I'm uh I'm a uh
• 46:13
  uh constitutionalist in Boston, you know, I say
• 46:16
  we had a convention of Bostonian constitutionalists at
• 46:19
  our phone booth, and we still have room
• 46:22
  for a sense of humor is very important.
• 46:25
  Yeah, the birthplace of liberty, uhless nobody believes
• 46:28
  in the principles of liberty there, yeah.
• 46:31
  Well, I I guess twenty percent.
• 46:33
  Yeah, and like Lexington, and you uh we
• 46:34
  have a place and you've been there uh
• 46:36
  you spent a night there.
• 46:39
  Wonderful.
• 46:40
  Yeah, just a few blocks from uh the
• 46:42
  battle green.
• 46:44
  And we also do tours because we do
• 46:46
  year-round activities.
• 46:48
  Uh it's an informal thing, but if uh
• 46:49
  people are interested in a walking tour of
• 46:51
  Boston or Lexington in Concord, reach out to
• 46:53
  us.
• 46:57
  I was supposed to give a walking tour
• 46:59
  of 50 students from a Baptist college in
• 47:01
  Tennessee in early March.
• 47:05
  Obviously, with a Christian emphasis.
• 47:07
  I was looking forward to it, and uh
• 47:09
  there was some uh a snowy rainy mix,
• 47:11
  and they had a cancel.
• 47:14
  I said, No wonder you guys lost a
• 47:15
  civil war.
• 47:16
  You have so much cold weather, man.
• 47:20
  So I'm kidding, but it's hard for 50
• 47:22
  people at the same time to ditch into
• 47:25
  duck into a storefront during the rain.
• 47:27
  So they're gonna reschedule.
• 47:28
  So we do things like that.
• 47:30
  And there's a home home church or house
• 47:32
  church that meets there uh uh in Lexington.
• 47:35
  Yeah, and on Sunday, which we started during
• 47:37
  the COVID lockdown.
• 47:39
  Most of the churches were closed, and uh
• 47:41
  and it seemed like a lot of the
• 47:42
  churches.
• 47:43
  Some of the churches should be shouldn't have
• 47:44
  been closed, you know, the one with a
• 47:46
  rainbow flag.
• 47:47
  They should stay closed.
• 47:49
  Yeah.
• 47:50
  Permanently.
• 47:52
  Yeah, so we we do that.
• 47:53
  We have a speaker's bureau.
• 47:54
  We have a presence at various events.
• 47:56
  So today, uh there's a group in New
• 47:59
  Hampshire called New Hampshire Education Options, which offers
• 48:02
  parents options to government schools.
• 48:04
  So it's uh so we've been uh so
• 48:06
  it's like a two-hour mini home school show,
• 48:07
  really.
• 48:09
  Although there's other vendors, you know, there might
• 48:11
  be uh uh private schools, Christian schools, and
• 48:14
  then afternoon activity because you're if you're a
• 48:16
  homeschooler, you're looking for more uh some activities
• 48:18
  outside of the home.
• 48:21
  So you might have um they have like
• 48:23
  uh uh uh a nature group that you
• 48:25
  could sign up and bring your children to
• 48:27
  that, or you know, learn how to ride
• 48:28
  a horse, learn how to fly a plane,
• 48:30
  things of that nature.
• 48:32
  How tell us we offer them.
• 48:35
  We offer them, of course.
• 48:37
  But I was gonna mention them those resources
• 48:40
  that are online, uh Blumenthal uh resources for
• 48:44
  for homeschoolers, particularly that uh camp constitution.
• 48:47
  Yes, well uh Sam Blumentfeld was a dear
• 48:50
  friend of uh of mine, and when he
• 48:52
  passed in 15, he willed us most of
• 48:54
  his papers and writings and recordings, and we
• 48:56
  digitized most of them, not all of them,
• 48:59
  but most of them.
• 49:00
  All of them, but most of them, uh,
• 49:01
  Uh his books, his alpha phonics.
• 49:02
  his books, his alpha phonics.
• 49:04
  So you can actually teach not just your
• 49:04
  So you can actually teach not just your
• 49:06
  children, but teach yourself if you if you're
• 49:06
  children, but teach yourself if you if you're
• 49:08
  having trouble learning how to if you if
• 49:08
  having trouble learning how to if you if
• 49:11
  you learned the looksay method, uh you can
• 49:11
  you learned the looks say method, uh you
• 49:13
  go out to our website and you'll see
• 49:13
  can go out to our website and you'll
• 49:15
  a drop down called the Sam Bloomerfeld Archive,
• 49:15
  see a drop down called the Sam Blumenfeld
• 49:18
  click that on, and all we need is
• 49:18
  archive, click that on, and all we need
• 49:20
  a user name and an email, and you
• 49:20
  is a user name and an email, and
• 49:22
  have unlimited access to Sam's uh archive.
• 49:22
  you've only had access to Sam's uh archive.
• 49:25
  You we have classes on uh cursive, uh
• 49:25
  We have classes on uh cursive, uh basic
• 49:27
  basic arithmetic.
• 49:29
  arithmetic, and of course, uh the alpha phonics.
• 49:33
  And and you were telling last year about
• 49:34
  the the uh school in Africa that was
• 49:36
  taking advantage of this.
• 49:39
  So we had we have a we're you
• 49:42
  know, we're we're Christian nationalists in international presence.
• 49:45
  Uh uh, we have a school in uh
• 49:47
  Zimbabwe, and the principal reached out to us
• 49:50
  a few years ago, and we donated hard
• 49:52
  copies of the Alpha Phonics workbook, and I
• 49:54
  just said to him, Well, the only thing
• 49:57
  I'd like is maybe just a few pictures
• 49:59
  of the students uh so we sent us
• 50:01
  some video as well as pictures of the
• 50:04
  students, uh they call it the Blumenfeld approach,
• 50:06
  and they're just raving about it.
• 50:09
  We also have a lady in South Africa
• 50:11
  who has a special needs class, they have
• 50:14
  a different term for it, and she told
• 50:16
  me for two she inherited the class, and
• 50:18
  there was been no progress in two years.
• 50:21
  Most of the people in the class had
• 50:23
  some kind of neurological, they had uh like
• 50:25
  an accident there, they were older uh teenagers
• 50:27
  and young adults, and she said she found
• 50:30
  our course online, and she says, Well, I'll
• 50:32
  try this.
• 50:34
  She didn't think it would work.
• 50:35
  After two weeks, she said 17 of the
• 50:38
  19 became proficient readers.
• 50:41
  Wow.
• 50:42
  So we got her testimony, and she she
• 50:44
  and Reverend Crab, we flew her from Johannesburg
• 50:46
  to Cape Town, where she had a at
• 50:48
  a program in early January a few years
• 50:51
  ago where she met Reverend Steve and Edith.
• 50:53
  And we also have the royal family of
• 50:56
  the the principality of Bhutan.
• 51:01
  I thought that was a flight of fluid,
• 51:02
  but it's not.
• 51:03
  It's a little, it's north of China, and
• 51:05
  uh I they say it's the most happiest
• 51:07
  place, the people are the happiest uh in
• 51:09
  the world.
• 51:11
  I I don't know uh if that's the
• 51:13
  case or not, but the royal family uh
• 51:15
  has using alpha phonics.
• 51:18
  They didn't give us any feedback, but I
• 51:20
  just you know I can see who's downloading
• 51:21
  the stuff is allowed.
• 51:23
  Talking about it, but mostly it's people in
• 51:25
  the United States, and we have homeschools, and
• 51:27
  you know, not exclusively homeschool.
• 51:29
  I mean, there's a lot of people who
• 51:31
  uh children have been taught the look say
• 51:33
  method, they can't read.
• 51:37
  Hey, what do we do?
• 51:38
  And most of these reading programs, they can
• 51:39
  be very expensive.
• 51:41
  Yes.
• 51:42
  And some of them are very good, hooked
• 51:43
  on phonics.
• 51:44
  I don't think it's that expensive, but it's
• 51:45
  very good program.
• 51:46
  But ours is free.
• 51:47
  Yes, absolutely.
• 51:50
  Camp Constitution.net and click on uh the Sam
• 51:52
  Blueberman archive, so you get you get the
• 51:55
  um the Alpha Phonics.
• 51:57
  You also have Sam's, he's got like two
• 52:00
  or three weeks, if you just play 24-7
• 52:03
  of audios of his presentations, where he gives
• 52:05
  a history of government education, what where it
• 52:08
  began and who's behind it and what happened
• 52:10
  and why it happened, and of course, the
• 52:13
  solution get your kids out of those schools.
• 52:16
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:17
  And that's that's blockbuster material hell, because most
• 52:19
  people don't realize that uh if we're to
• 52:22
  summarize the two goals, the people who founded
• 52:24
  public education are they all about uh making
• 52:27
  America a socialist nation, the opposite of what
• 52:29
  our founders designed, and then secondly, de Christianizing
• 52:32
  America.
• 52:34
  And if you look at the school system,
• 52:36
  you say it's a huge failure, but not
• 52:39
  if you look at the actual goal of
• 52:41
  those who founded in the 1830s and 40s.
• 52:43
  Uh they founded public education.
• 52:45
  Before that, everybody was in some form of
• 52:47
  private school or home school or tutoring.
• 52:50
  Yeah.
• 52:52
  Because what you see is what they want.
• 52:55
  Because the same blumen, if if this is,
• 52:57
  and I think uh Reverend Rushdone said the
• 52:59
  same thing.
• 53:01
  This is something similar.
• 53:03
  That if they if they were making a
• 53:04
  mistake, they would have corrected the mistake, but
• 53:06
  they don't have any intention.
• 53:08
  So this is what they want.
• 53:10
  We started the show, we talked about the
• 53:13
  issue is we've got a whole generation of
• 53:15
  little socialists that have been trained in the
• 53:17
  public education, well, public indoctrination system, I think
• 53:20
  is better called, but they're trained to be
• 53:22
  Marxist in their thinking.
• 53:25
  And how do we reach them?
• 53:26
  How do we change that?
• 53:27
  And that's the beauty of what Camp Constitution
• 53:29
  is doing in a kind of immersive uh
• 53:32
  six days there uh in the beautiful hills
• 53:34
  of uh uh North uh uh not central,
• 53:37
  I guess, New Hampshire, an opportunity for them
• 53:39
  to be exposed to the truth and recognize
• 53:42
  that a lot of the things they've been
• 53:44
  fed in the classroom are Kool-Aid.
• 53:47
  They need to reject and don't imbibe the
• 53:50
  Kool-Aid instead to buy imbibe the truth of
• 53:52
  our founders and uh establishing a constitutional republic,
• 53:55
  not a democracy, where our rights come from
• 53:57
  God, not from government, and the whole purpose
• 54:00
  of the system is to protect our God-given
• 54:02
  rights.
• 54:05
  And the beauty is to see as you
• 54:07
  shared, that there is a change happening in
• 54:10
  the hearts and minds of students, and this
• 54:12
  is uh what we need uh writ large,
• 54:15
  and in other words, there's millions of students
• 54:17
  every year coming off the conveyor belt of
• 54:20
  the public indoctrination system who are trained Marxists.
• 54:23
  They really believe Marxism is the best answer
• 54:25
  for how you organize society, and they have
• 54:27
  no idea that they've been lied to thoroughly
• 54:30
  and they've drunken the Kool-Aid.
• 54:32
  Uh we need to get them out of
• 54:33
  that.
• 54:34
  And so uh how what you and the
• 54:37
  leadership of Camp Constitution are doing is great.
• 54:40
  Well, as of I'm on a budget committee
• 54:42
  in my town, and I'm very friendly with
• 54:44
  the superintendent, and we there's two towns of
• 54:45
  schools fall under.
• 54:48
  And he told me that the enrollment in
• 54:50
  New Hampshire has declined 20% in the last
• 54:52
  ten years.
• 54:54
  Praise God.
• 54:55
  And that's statewide.
• 54:57
  And that's sort of a trend around the
• 54:58
  country.
• 54:59
  The Boston public schools, I think 17%.
• 55:03
  And I recently had a debate on online
• 55:05
  debate with a local school teacher, public school
• 55:08
  teacher who's you know promoting public schools, and
• 55:10
  I said, and I'm quoting Sam Blumentfeld, that
• 55:13
  the public schools is a an obsolete sick
• 55:15
  dinosaur.
• 55:18
  And then I said that uh you're going
• 55:20
  the way of the daily newspaper.
• 55:23
  And the uh C D player, right?
• 55:26
  And she didn't like it.
• 55:27
  I said, you guys, you've got a lot
• 55:29
  of power, you've got a lot of money,
• 55:30
  and you might win some more elections.
• 55:32
  I said, but you're going to you're losing.
• 55:34
  You just once the parents start learning, and
• 55:37
  that was one the there was two couple
• 55:39
  of good things that came out of COVID.
• 55:41
  One of them was parents finally with a
• 55:44
  little notice of what was going on.
• 55:47
  Uh, and by the way, the solution isn't
• 55:49
  to go to your school committee and yell
• 55:51
  at them and then go home.
• 55:53
  Is get them out of their clutches.
• 55:55
  Because, you know, there was a little video
• 55:58
  of this uh mother coming into the school
• 56:00
  world and she rips down the rainbow flag
• 56:00
  To the school world and she rips down
• 56:01
  the rainbow flag with as a map of
• 56:02
  with as a map of the world.
• 56:02
  the world.
• 56:04
  This is what you're supposed to teach them.
• 56:04
  This is what you're supposed to teach them.
• 56:05
  Now that was just uh reenacting.
• 56:05
  Now that was just uh reenacting.
• 56:08
  I said, Why would you want somebody with
• 56:08
  I said, why would you want somebody with
• 56:10
  that type of worldview teaching your children whether
• 56:10
  that type of worldview teaching your children whether
• 56:12
  or not they're flying that flag or not?
• 56:12
  or not they're flying that flag or not?
• 56:14
  I said, uh you don't want people, you
• 56:14
  I said, uh, you don't want people you
• 56:17
  don't want to expose your child children to
• 56:17
  don't want to expose your child children to
• 56:19
  this worldview and this mindset to begin with.
• 56:19
  this worldview and this mindset to begin with.
• 56:22
  Get them out.
• 56:22
  Get them out.
• 56:23
  Yeah, we can still have info.
• 56:23
  Yeah, we can still have inflow.
• 56:25
  I mean, we donate constitutions to public schools.
• 56:25
  I mean, we donate constitutions to public schools.
• 56:28
  Uh we do we've donated.
• 56:28
  Uh we've donated uh this beautiful uh book
• 56:30
  on the forefathers monument.
• 56:34
  Yeah.
• 56:37
  We're gonna have to run here, but thank
• 56:38
  you so much, Hal, for your time with
• 56:39
  us.
• 56:41
  And we encourage you all to check out
• 56:43
  Camp Constitution.net.
• 56:45
  This is Don't Invibe the Kool-Aid, where we
• 56:47
  bring you the truth.