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Christianity is About Love. Christian Nationalism is Not. Calling Out the Hypocrites with John Fugelsang · Deep Transformation

• 0:00
  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  two
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  of
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  our
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  conversation
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  with
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  John
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  Fugelsang
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  where
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  we
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  look
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  at
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  Christian
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  nationalism
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  in
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  the
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  United
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  States
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  and
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  conclude
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  that
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  for
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  Christians
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  the
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  teaching
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  of
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  Jesus
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  should
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  carry
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  more
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  weight
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  than
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  the
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  letters
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  of
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  the
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  Apostle
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  Paul.
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  This
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  gives
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  us
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  a
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  fresh
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  vision
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  of
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  a
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  path
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  in
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  which
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  Jesus
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  2
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  commandments
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  should
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  be
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  our
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  guiding
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  light
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  to
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  love
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  God
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  and
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  our
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  neighbors
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  as
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  ourselves.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit
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  Life
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  enhancing
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  paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting
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  ed
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  believe
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  that
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  fundamentalist
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  Christians
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  have
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  more
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  in
• 0:42
  common
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  with
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  fundamentalist
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  Muslims
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  than
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  they
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  have
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  in
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  common
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  with
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  moderate
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  and
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  liberal
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  Christians.
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  Fundamentalism
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  is
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  its
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  own
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  island
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  at
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  this
• 0:50
  point
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  and
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  I
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  list
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  a
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  few
• 0:52
  criteria
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  in
• 0:52
  the
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  book
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  that
• 0:53
  I
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  kind
• 0:53
  of
• 0:53
  feel
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  bridge
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  all
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  of
• 0:54
  them.
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  Fundamentalism.
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  No
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  matter
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  the
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  religion,
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  women
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  are
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  always
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  second
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  class
• 0:59
  citizens.
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  The
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  more
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  to
• 1:00
  the
• 1:01
  right
• 1:01
  your
• 1:01
  religion
• 1:02
  is,
• 1:03
  the
• 1:03
  more
• 1:03
  God
• 1:04
  made
• 1:04
  51%
• 1:05
  of
• 1:06
  the
• 1:06
  population
• 1:06
  just
• 1:07
  a
• 1:07
  little
• 1:07
  bit
• 1:07
  inferior
• 1:08
  to
• 1:08
  49%.
• 1:09
  Right?
• 1:09
  I
• 1:09
  mean
• 1:10
  every
• 1:10
  religion,
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  the
• 1:11
  more
• 1:11
  extreme
• 1:12
  conservative,
• 1:13
  the
• 1:13
  more
• 1:13
  it's
• 1:14
  no
• 1:14
  knob,
• 1:14
  no
• 1:14
  job,
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  God
• 1:15
  just
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  likes
• 1:16
  men
• 1:16
  more.
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  The
• 1:17
  sex
• 1:17
  hangups.
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  The
• 1:18
  more
• 1:18
  to
• 1:18
  the
• 1:18
  right
• 1:19
  your
• 1:19
  religion
• 1:19
  is,
• 1:19
  the
• 1:19
  more
• 1:20
  you'll
• 1:20
  find
• 1:20
  these
• 1:21
  women
• 1:21
  having
• 1:21
  sex,
• 1:22
  gay
• 1:22
  people
• 1:22
  having
• 1:22
  sex.
• 1:23
  The
• 1:23
  more
• 1:23
  to
• 1:24
  the
• 1:24
  right
• 1:24
  your
• 1:24
  religion
• 1:24
  is,
• 1:25
  the
• 1:25
  more
• 1:25
  people
• 1:25
  believe
• 1:26
  violence
• 1:26
  is
• 1:26
  okay
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  if
• 1:27
  my
• 1:27
  side
• 1:28
  does
• 1:28
  it
• 1:29
  because
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  you're
• 1:29
  against
• 1:29
  God
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  and
• 1:30
  I'm
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  for
• 1:30
  him
• 1:30
  so
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  God
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  will
• 1:31
  give
• 1:31
  me
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  a
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  pass
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  on
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  all
• 1:32
  that
• 1:32
  shout
• 1:32
  not
• 1:33
  kills
• 1:33
  kind
• 1:33
  of
• 1:33
  stuff.
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  I
• 1:34
  find
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  the
• 1:34
  more
• 1:34
  fundamentalist
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  a
• 1:35
  religion
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  is,
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  there
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  is
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  always
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  a
• 1:37
  focus
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  on
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  punishment
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  over
• 1:39
  healing.
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  It's
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  all
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  authoritarian.
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  And
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  finally
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  this.
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  The
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  more
• 1:43
  to
• 1:43
  the
• 1:44
  right
• 1:44
  any
• 1:44
  religion
• 1:45
  is,
• 1:45
  the
• 1:45
  more
• 1:45
  there's
• 1:45
  this
• 1:46
  victimhood
• 1:47
  complex,
• 1:48
  this
• 1:48
  persecution
• 1:48
  narrative
• 1:49
  that
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  will
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  justify
• 1:50
  any
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  bad
• 1:51
  deeds
• 1:51
  that
• 1:51
  I
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  do
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  because
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  of
• 1:53
  something
• 1:53
  that
• 1:53
  was
• 1:53
  done
• 1:54
  previously
• 1:54
  to
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  other
• 1:55
  people
• 1:55
  like
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  me.
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  And
• 1:57
  those
• 1:57
  five
• 1:57
  traits
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  together
• 1:58
  unite
• 1:59
  right
• 1:59
  wing
• 1:59
  Judaism,
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  right
• 2:00
  wing
• 2:00
  Muslims,
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  right
• 2:01
  wing
• 2:01
  Hindus,
• 2:02
  right
• 2:02
  wing
• 2:02
  Christians.
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  And
• 2:03
  it's
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  why
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  in
• 2:04
  the
• 2:04
  21st
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  century,
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  more
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  and
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  more
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  young
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  people
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  are
• 2:06
  getting
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  turned
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  off
• 2:07
  to
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  spirituality.
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  The
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  greatest
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  tragedy
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  to
• 2:10
  me
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  is
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  when
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  people
• 2:11
  think
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  that
• 2:12
  that's
• 2:12
  religion
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  and
• 2:13
  don't
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  realize
• 2:14
  that's
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  just
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  for
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  fundamentalism.
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  And
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  there's
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  plenty
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  of
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  beautiful
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  Muslims
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  and
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  Jews
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  and
• 2:19
  Christians
• 2:19
  and
• 2:19
  Hindus
• 2:19
  out
• 2:20
  there
• 2:20
  that
• 2:20
  are
• 2:20
  totally
• 2:20
  groovy
• 2:21
  that
• 2:21
  you
• 2:21
  can
• 2:21
  forge
• 2:22
  coalitions
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  with
• 2:22
  to
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  make
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  the
• 2:23
  world
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  better.
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  Yeah,
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  and
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  it's
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  such
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  a
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  so
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  beautiful
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  that
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  you
• 2:26
  pulled
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  out
• 2:27
  those
• 2:27
  common
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  features
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  of
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  fundamentalism
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  across
• 2:30
  traditions.
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  And
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  I
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  love
• 2:31
  you
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  saying
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  that
• 2:32
  the
• 2:32
  fundamentalists
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  of
• 2:33
  one
• 2:34
  religion
• 2:34
  are
• 2:34
  more
• 2:35
  like
• 2:35
  the
• 2:35
  fundamentalists
• 2:36
  of
• 2:36
  others
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  than
• 2:37
  they
• 2:37
  are.
• 2:37
  We'll
• 2:37
  say
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  they're
• 2:38
  more
• 2:38
  contemplative
• 2:39
  companions
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  in
• 2:40
  their
• 2:41
  own
• 2:41
  tradition.
• 2:42
  Because
• 2:42
  there's
• 2:42
  also
• 2:42
  a
• 2:43
  saying
• 2:43
  that
• 2:43
  says
• 2:44
  the
• 2:44
  mystics
• 2:44
  of
• 2:45
  one
• 2:45
  tradition
• 2:45
  are
• 2:45
  more
• 2:46
  like
• 2:46
  the
• 2:46
  mystics
• 2:47
  of
• 2:47
  other
• 2:47
  traditions
• 2:47
  than
• 2:48
  they
• 2:48
  are
• 2:48
  with
• 2:48
  the
• 2:49
  conventionals
• 2:50
  of
• 2:50
  their
• 2:50
  own.
• 2:51
  So
• 2:51
  it's
• 2:51
  like
• 2:52
  these
• 2:52
  different
• 2:53
  levels
• 2:54
  share
• 2:55
  common
• 2:55
  features.
• 2:56
  Yes.
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  And
• 2:57
  I
• 2:57
  love
• 2:58
  what
• 2:58
  you
• 2:58
  pulled
• 2:58
  out
• 2:58
  about
• 2:59
  that.
• 2:59
  And
• 2:59
  I
• 2:59
  just
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  want
• 3:00
  to
• 3:00
  give
• 3:00
  the
• 3:00
  name
• 3:00
  of
• 3:01
  your
• 3:01
  book
• 3:01
  again.
• 3:01
  Partly
• 3:02
  because
• 3:02
  I
• 3:02
  like
• 3:02
  trying
• 3:03
  to
• 3:03
  say
• 3:03
  it,
• 3:03
  partly
• 3:04
  you
• 3:04
  say
• 3:05
  it
• 3:05
  faster
• 3:05
  than
• 3:05
  most
• 3:05
  interviewers
• 3:06
  do.
• 3:06
  The
• 3:07
  Separation
• 3:07
  of
• 3:08
  Church
• 3:08
  and
• 3:08
  Hate.
• 3:09
  Saving
• 3:09
  the
• 3:10
  Bible
• 3:10
  from
• 3:11
  Fundamentalists.
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  Well,
• 3:12
  wait
• 3:13
  on.
• 3:13
  From
• 3:13
  A
• 3:13
  Sane
• 3:13
  Person's
• 3:14
  Guide.
• 3:14
  A
• 3:15
  Sane
• 3:16
  Person's
• 3:16
  Guide
• 3:16
  to
• 3:17
  Taking
• 3:17
  Back
• 3:17
  the
• 3:17
  Bible
• 3:18
  from
• 3:18
  Fundamentalists,
• 3:20
  Fascists
• 3:20
  and
• 3:21
  Flock
• 3:22
  Leasing
• 3:23
  Frauds.
• 3:23
  Woo.
• 3:24
  Got
• 3:24
  through
• 3:24
  it.
• 3:25
  Anyway.
• 3:26
  It's
• 3:26
  a
• 3:27
  lot
• 3:27
  of
• 3:27
  F
• 3:27
  words
• 3:27
  in
• 3:27
  this
• 3:27
  book.
• 3:28
  A
• 3:28
  lot
• 3:28
  of
• 3:28
  F
• 3:28
  words.
• 3:29
  Yes,
• 3:30
  there
• 3:30
  are.
• 3:31
  Let's
• 3:32
  see.
• 3:32
  John
• 3:33
  Dupuis,
• 3:33
  did
• 3:33
  you
• 3:34
  want
• 3:34
  to.
• 3:34
  I've
• 3:34
  been
• 3:35
  talking
• 3:35
  about.
• 3:35
  Did
• 3:35
  you
• 3:35
  want
• 3:36
  to
• 3:36
  jump
• 3:36
  in?
• 3:37
  Yeah,
• 3:38
  I
• 3:38
  just.
• 3:39
  I
• 3:39
  don't
• 3:39
  have
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  say
• 3:39
  a
• 3:40
  lot.
• 3:40
  You're
• 3:40
  saying
• 3:40
  it
• 3:41
  so
• 3:41
  well.
• 3:41
  And
• 3:41
  you
• 3:42
  too,
• 3:42
  Roger,
• 3:42
  by
• 3:43
  the
• 3:43
  way.
• 3:43
  John,
• 3:43
  I
• 3:43
  love
• 3:44
  that
• 3:44
  you
• 3:44
  have
• 3:44
  The
• 3:44
  Fabs
• 3:45
  and
• 3:45
  Dr.
• 3:45
  King
• 3:45
  side
• 3:46
  by
• 3:46
  side
• 3:46
  behind
• 3:46
  you.
• 3:47
  It's
• 3:47
  great
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  see.
• 3:48
  Yeah.
• 3:48
  My
• 3:48
  heroes.
• 3:49
  Yeah.
• 3:50
  The
• 3:50
  Holy
• 3:50
  Trinity
• 3:51
  in
• 3:51
  my
• 3:51
  house
• 3:51
  growing
• 3:51
  up
• 3:52
  was
• 3:52
  for
• 3:52
  My
• 3:52
  father
• 3:53
  was
• 3:53
  Dr.
• 3:53
  King,
• 3:54
  Gandhi
• 3:54
  and
• 3:54
  Dorothy
• 3:55
  Day.
• 3:55
  That
• 3:55
  was
• 3:56
  pretty
• 3:56
  much
• 3:56
  who
• 3:56
  my
• 3:56
  dad
• 3:56
  prayed
• 3:57
  to.
• 3:57
  I
• 3:57
  was
• 3:57
  the
• 3:57
  one
• 3:57
  who
• 3:57
  prayed
• 3:58
  to
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  Beatles.
• 3:58
  Yeah.
• 3:59
  This
• 3:59
  picture
• 3:59
  was
• 3:59
  taken
• 4:00
  in
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  airport
• 4:01
  when
• 4:01
  he
• 4:01
  arrived
• 4:01
  in
• 4:02
  Birmingham
• 4:03
  and
• 4:03
  he
• 4:03
  was
• 4:03
  killed
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  next
• 4:04
  day.
• 4:04
  Yeah.
• 4:04
  So
• 4:05
  this
• 4:05
  is
• 4:05
  a
• 4:05
  one
• 4:05
  off
• 4:06
  photograph.
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  think
• 4:06
  he
• 4:06
  killed
• 4:07
  in
• 4:07
  Memphis.
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  think
• 4:08
  when
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  said
• 4:08
  Birmingham.
• 4:09
  No,
• 4:09
  I'm
• 4:10
  sorry,
• 4:10
  you're
• 4:10
  right.
• 4:10
  Right
• 4:10
  on.
• 4:11
  Yeah.
• 4:11
  So
• 4:11
  this
• 4:11
  is
• 4:11
  one
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  last
• 4:12
  pictures
• 4:12
  close.
• 4:13
  It's
• 4:13
  beautiful.
• 4:14
  You
• 4:14
  can
• 4:14
  just.
• 4:15
  I
• 4:15
  mean,
• 4:15
  he
• 4:15
  knew
• 4:15
  he
• 4:15
  was
• 4:16
  going
• 4:16
  to
• 4:16
  get
• 4:16
  killed.
• 4:17
  You
• 4:17
  know,
• 4:17
  he
• 4:17
  knew
• 4:18
  it.
• 4:18
  He
• 4:18
  kept
• 4:18
  on
• 4:19
  and.
• 4:19
  And
• 4:19
  we
• 4:19
  don't
• 4:19
  even
• 4:20
  like
• 4:20
  we
• 4:20
  there.
• 4:20
  There's
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  great
• 4:21
  film
• 4:21
  called
• 4:22
  King
• 4:22
  in
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  Wilderness
• 4:22
  because
• 4:23
  we
• 4:23
  don't
• 4:23
  teach
• 4:24
  people
• 4:24
  how
• 4:24
  deeply
• 4:25
  unpopular
• 4:26
  he
• 4:26
  was
• 4:26
  at
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  time
• 4:26
  of
• 4:27
  his
• 4:27
  death.
• 4:27
  Just
• 4:27
  like
• 4:28
  Jesus,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:29
  know,
• 4:29
  Jesus
• 4:29
  shows
• 4:30
  up
• 4:30
  on
• 4:30
  Palm
• 4:31
  Sunday
• 4:31
  and
• 4:31
  they're
• 4:31
  hailing
• 4:32
  him
• 4:32
  and
• 4:33
  worshiping
• 4:33
  him.
• 4:34
  Then
• 4:34
  he's
• 4:34
  got
• 4:34
  the
• 4:35
  incident
• 4:35
  in
• 4:35
  the
• 4:35
  temple
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  then
• 4:36
  by
• 4:37
  Thursday
• 4:37
  he's
• 4:38
  arrested
• 4:38
  and
• 4:38
  by
• 4:39
  Friday,
• 4:39
  the
• 4:39
  people
• 4:39
  who
• 4:39
  welcomed
• 4:40
  him
• 4:40
  on
• 4:40
  Sunday
• 4:40
  are
• 4:41
  cheering
• 4:41
  for
• 4:41
  his
• 4:41
  death.
• 4:41
  It's
• 4:42
  a
• 4:42
  gorgeous
• 4:43
  metaphor
• 4:43
  in
• 4:43
  that
• 4:43
  story.
• 4:44
  And.
• 4:44
  And
• 4:44
  Jesus
• 4:44
  was
• 4:45
  very
• 4:45
  much
• 4:45
  alone.
• 4:45
  His
• 4:45
  best
• 4:46
  friend
• 4:46
  sold
• 4:46
  him
• 4:46
  out.
• 4:46
  Only
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  women
• 4:47
  didn't
• 4:47
  abandon
• 4:48
  him.
• 4:48
  And
• 4:49
  Dr.
• 4:49
  King
• 4:49
  was
• 4:50
  deeply
• 4:50
  unpopular
• 4:51
  by
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  time
• 4:52
  he
• 4:52
  died.
• 4:53
  And
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  me,
• 4:54
  that's
• 4:54
  so
• 4:54
  much
• 4:54
  about
• 4:55
  what
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  Christian
• 4:56
  faith
• 4:57
  is
• 4:57
  meant
• 4:57
  to
• 4:57
  be
• 4:58
  that
• 4:59
  even
• 4:59
  when
• 4:59
  it's
• 5:00
  unpopular,
• 5:01
  Jesus
• 5:01
  doesn't
• 5:02
  say
• 5:02
  that.
• 5:02
  You
• 5:02
  know,
• 5:02
  it's
• 5:02
  supposed
• 5:03
  to
• 5:03
  be
• 5:03
  easy
• 5:03
  being
• 5:03
  a
• 5:03
  Christian
• 5:04
  and
• 5:04
  you're
• 5:04
  supposed
• 5:04
  to
• 5:04
  be
• 5:04
  on
• 5:05
  top.
• 5:05
  He
• 5:05
  says
• 5:06
  it's
• 5:06
  going
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  be
• 5:06
  hard.
• 5:06
  You
• 5:07
  have
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  pick
• 5:07
  up
• 5:07
  your
• 5:07
  cross
• 5:08
  and
• 5:08
  follow
• 5:08
  me
• 5:08
  every
• 5:08
  day.
• 5:09
  When
• 5:09
  Jesus
• 5:10
  says
• 5:10
  I
• 5:11
  came
• 5:11
  to
• 5:11
  bring
• 5:11
  a
• 5:11
  sword,
• 5:12
  he's
• 5:12
  not
• 5:12
  talking
• 5:12
  about
• 5:13
  literal
• 5:14
  bloodshed
• 5:14
  with
• 5:14
  weapons.
• 5:15
  He's
• 5:15
  saying
• 5:15
  that
• 5:16
  if
• 5:16
  you're
• 5:16
  going
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  pick
• 5:17
  up
• 5:17
  this
• 5:17
  movement
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  care
• 5:18
  for
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  marginalized
• 5:19
  and
• 5:19
  walk
• 5:20
  my
• 5:20
  path,
• 5:20
  it's
• 5:21
  going
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  cost
• 5:21
  you
• 5:21
  something.
• 5:22
  There's
• 5:22
  going
• 5:22
  to
• 5:22
  be
• 5:22
  people
• 5:22
  who
• 5:22
  hate
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  for
• 5:24
  taking
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  side
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  less
• 5:25
  fortunate.
• 5:25
  And
• 5:25
  we
• 5:25
  see
• 5:26
  that's
• 5:26
  true
• 5:26
  right
• 5:27
  now.
• 5:27
  Every
• 5:28
  generation,
• 5:28
  they
• 5:29
  find
• 5:29
  a
• 5:29
  new
• 5:29
  way
• 5:29
  to
• 5:30
  smear.
• 5:31
  Being
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  kind
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  person
• 5:32
  Jesus
• 5:32
  tells
• 5:32
  us
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  do.
• 5:33
  When
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  was
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  kid,
• 5:33
  it
• 5:34
  was
• 5:34
  bleeding
• 5:34
  heart.
• 5:35
  Oh,
• 5:35
  you
• 5:35
  bleeding
• 5:36
  heart,
• 5:36
  Lou?
• 5:36
  Like,
• 5:37
  like,
• 5:37
  like
• 5:37
  Jesus.
• 5:38
  Like
• 5:38
  that.
• 5:39
  Okay,
• 5:39
  you're
• 5:39
  making
• 5:40
  that
• 5:40
  an
• 5:40
  epithet.
• 5:41
  And
• 5:41
  then
• 5:41
  it
• 5:41
  was
• 5:41
  politically
• 5:42
  correct.
• 5:43
  Well,
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  just
• 5:44
  want
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  use
• 5:44
  language
• 5:45
  so
• 5:45
  I'm
• 5:45
  nicer
• 5:46
  and
• 5:46
  not
• 5:46
  a
• 5:46
  complete
• 5:46
  dick
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  people.
• 5:47
  Oh,
• 5:47
  you're
• 5:48
  politically
• 5:48
  correct,
• 5:48
  but
• 5:48
  I'm
• 5:49
  trying
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  be
• 5:49
  kinder.
• 5:50
  And
• 5:50
  then
• 5:50
  it
• 5:51
  was
• 5:51
  social
• 5:51
  justice
• 5:52
  warrior.
• 5:53
  You
• 5:53
  know,
• 5:53
  that's
• 5:53
  a
• 5:54
  slur.
• 5:54
  And
• 5:54
  I'm
• 5:54
  like,
• 5:54
  so
• 5:55
  like
• 5:55
  Jesus,
• 5:55
  like
• 5:55
  Dr.
• 5:56
  King.
• 5:57
  And
• 5:57
  then
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  was
• 5:58
  your
• 5:59
  virtue
• 5:59
  signaling.
• 6:00
  I'm
• 6:00
  like,
• 6:00
  no,
• 6:01
  I'm
• 6:01
  vice
• 6:01
  mocking.
• 6:02
  Like
• 6:02
  Jesus's
• 6:03
  virtue
• 6:03
  signaling
• 6:03
  on
• 6:03
  the
• 6:04
  mount.
• 6:04
  Like
• 6:04
  anytime
• 6:04
  you
• 6:05
  talk
• 6:05
  about
• 6:05
  empathy
• 6:05
  and
• 6:06
  love,
• 6:07
  every
• 6:07
  decade
• 6:07
  they
• 6:08
  find
• 6:08
  a
• 6:08
  new
• 6:08
  way
• 6:08
  to
• 6:08
  smear
• 6:09
  that.
• 6:09
  And
• 6:10
  this
• 6:10
  decade,
• 6:10
  that
• 6:10
  word
• 6:10
  is
• 6:11
  woke.
• 6:11
  A
• 6:12
  word
• 6:12
  that
• 6:12
  used
• 6:12
  to
• 6:12
  mean,
• 6:13
  you
• 6:13
  know,
• 6:13
  awareness
• 6:14
  of
• 6:15
  structural
• 6:15
  racism
• 6:16
  used
• 6:16
  by
• 6:16
  anti
• 6:17
  racists,
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  now
• 6:18
  it's
• 6:18
  a
• 6:18
  word
• 6:19
  used
• 6:19
  by
• 6:19
  racists
• 6:20
  to
• 6:20
  smear
• 6:21
  anti
• 6:22
  discrimination
• 6:22
  laws
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  policies.
• 6:24
  I
• 6:24
  tell
• 6:24
  you,
• 6:24
  like
• 6:25
  these,
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  loudest
• 6:26
  people
• 6:26
  who
• 6:26
  boast
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  their
• 6:26
  Christianity,
• 6:27
  they
• 6:28
  always
• 6:28
  find
• 6:28
  new
• 6:29
  ways
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  smear
• 6:30
  love
• 6:31
  and
• 6:31
  empathy
• 6:31
  and
• 6:31
  caring
• 6:32
  for
• 6:32
  others.
• 6:32
  And
• 6:33
  it's
• 6:33
  a
• 6:33
  hard
• 6:33
  road
• 6:34
  to
• 6:34
  hoe,
• 6:34
  man.
• 6:34
  It's
• 6:35
  not
• 6:35
  supposed
• 6:35
  to
• 6:35
  be
• 6:35
  easy.
• 6:36
  But
• 6:36
  that's
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  beauty
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  the
• 6:38
  scripture.
• 6:38
  That's
• 6:38
  the
• 6:38
  beauty
• 6:38
  of
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  story.
• 6:40
  That's
• 6:40
  very
• 6:40
  interesting,
• 6:41
  John.
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  never
• 6:41
  appreciated
• 6:43
  that
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  very
• 6:44
  virtues
• 6:44
  or
• 6:44
  descriptions
• 6:46
  of
• 6:47
  really
• 6:47
  valuable
• 6:48
  virtues
• 6:49
  have
• 6:49
  been
• 6:49
  demeaned
• 6:51
  successively
• 6:51
  across
• 6:52
  generations.
• 6:53
  Yeah,
• 6:54
  yeah.
• 6:54
  You
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  and,
• 6:55
  and
• 6:56
  again,
• 6:56
  that's
• 6:56
  why
• 6:56
  I
• 6:57
  wanted
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  write
• 6:58
  this
• 6:58
  book
• 6:58
  for
• 6:59
  people
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  all
• 7:00
  ages
• 7:00
  who
• 7:00
  were
• 7:00
  raised
• 7:00
  to
• 7:01
  believe
• 7:01
  this
• 7:01
  is
• 7:01
  about
• 7:01
  love
• 7:02
  and
• 7:02
  are
• 7:02
  confused
• 7:03
  as
• 7:03
  to
• 7:03
  why
• 7:03
  it's
• 7:04
  just
• 7:04
  so
• 7:04
  mean
• 7:05
  and
• 7:05
  why
• 7:05
  the
• 7:06
  religion
• 7:06
  that
• 7:06
  told
• 7:06
  me
• 7:06
  I
• 7:07
  was
• 7:07
  supposed
• 7:07
  to
• 7:07
  be
• 7:07
  about
• 7:08
  love.
• 7:08
  Now
• 7:08
  you're
• 7:08
  telling
• 7:09
  me
• 7:09
  I've
• 7:09
  got
• 7:09
  to
• 7:09
  go
• 7:09
  persecute
• 7:10
  migrants
• 7:10
  and
• 7:10
  be
• 7:11
  mean
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  Trans
• 7:11
  kids.
• 7:12
  It's
• 7:12
  all
• 7:12
  nonsense
• 7:13
  and
• 7:13
  it's
• 7:14
  all
• 7:14
  how
• 7:15
  authoritarians
• 7:16
  use
• 7:16
  religion
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  control
• 7:17
  people
• 7:18
  and
• 7:18
  play
• 7:18
  to
• 7:18
  our
• 7:19
  worst
• 7:19
  instincts.
• 7:20
  Jesus
• 7:20
  is
• 7:20
  a
• 7:20
  revolutionary.
• 7:21
  He's
• 7:22
  still
• 7:22
  dangerous
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  this
• 7:23
  day.
• 7:24
  And
• 7:24
  you
• 7:24
  don't
• 7:25
  need
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  believe
• 7:25
  in
• 7:25
  him
• 7:25
  as
• 7:26
  literal
• 7:26
  fact
• 7:27
  to
• 7:27
  use
• 7:28
  him
• 7:28
  against
• 7:29
  these
• 7:29
  frauds.
• 7:30
  Yeah.
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  found
• 7:31
  people
• 7:32
  I
• 7:32
  consider
• 7:32
  really
• 7:33
  good
• 7:33
  Christians
• 7:33
  in
• 7:34
  local
• 7:34
  black
• 7:35
  churches.
• 7:35
  I'm
• 7:35
  in
• 7:35
  Louisiana,
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  they
• 7:37
  seem
• 7:38
  to,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  know,
• 7:38
  I've
• 7:39
  been
• 7:39
  helping
• 7:39
  a
• 7:39
  young
• 7:39
  man
• 7:40
  go
• 7:40
  to
• 7:40
  seminary.
• 7:41
  Oh,
• 7:41
  wow.
• 7:42
  And
• 7:42
  he's
• 7:42
  the
• 7:42
  only
• 7:43
  white
• 7:43
  guy
• 7:43
  in
• 7:43
  the
• 7:43
  whole
• 7:43
  school.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:44
  when
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  go
• 7:45
  there,
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  just
• 7:45
  feel
• 7:46
  just
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  love
• 7:47
  coming
• 7:47
  from
• 7:47
  these
• 7:47
  people.
• 7:48
  It's
• 7:48
  like,
• 7:48
  these
• 7:48
  are.
• 7:49
  Yeah,
• 7:49
  these
• 7:49
  people
• 7:50
  got
• 7:51
  Jesus.
• 7:51
  They
• 7:51
  know
• 7:51
  it
• 7:52
  and.
• 7:52
  Well,
• 7:53
  it's
• 7:53
  a.
• 7:53
  It's
• 7:53
  a
• 7:53
  faith
• 7:53
  born
• 7:54
  out
• 7:54
  of
• 7:54
  pain
• 7:54
  and
• 7:55
  resistance,
• 7:55
  not
• 7:56
  comfort
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  domination.
• 7:57
  Yeah.
• 7:57
  I
• 7:58
  mean,
• 7:58
  that.
• 7:58
  The
• 7:58
  faith.
• 7:59
  Look
• 7:59
  at
• 7:59
  the.
• 7:59
  We're
• 7:59
  the
• 8:00
  only
• 8:00
  country
• 8:01
  in
• 8:01
  the
• 8:01
  world
• 8:02
  where
• 8:02
  our
• 8:02
  history
• 8:03
  of
• 8:03
  Christianity
• 8:03
  is
• 8:04
  inseparable
• 8:04
  from
• 8:04
  a
• 8:05
  history
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  white
• 8:05
  supremacy.
• 8:06
  So,
• 8:07
  you
• 8:07
  know,
• 8:07
  look
• 8:08
  at
• 8:08
  how
• 8:08
  all
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  great
• 8:08
  humor
• 8:09
  comes
• 8:09
  from
• 8:09
  the
• 8:09
  blacks
• 8:09
  and
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  Jews,
• 8:10
  and
• 8:10
  you
• 8:10
  can
• 8:10
  see
• 8:11
  why.
• 8:11
  That
• 8:11
  suffering
• 8:12
  gives
• 8:13
  us
• 8:13
  soul.
• 8:13
  That
• 8:14
  suffering
• 8:14
  will
• 8:15
  make
• 8:15
  your
• 8:15
  love
• 8:15
  deeper.
• 8:16
  That
• 8:16
  suffering,
• 8:17
  you
• 8:17
  can
• 8:17
  either
• 8:17
  let
• 8:17
  it
• 8:18
  break
• 8:18
  you
• 8:18
  and
• 8:18
  make
• 8:18
  you
• 8:18
  bitter,
• 8:19
  or
• 8:19
  you
• 8:19
  can
• 8:19
  make
• 8:19
  it
• 8:19
  expand
• 8:20
  your
• 8:20
  heart.
• 8:20
  And,
• 8:21
  you
• 8:21
  know,
• 8:22
  these
• 8:22
  are
• 8:22
  the
• 8:22
  two
• 8:22
  choices
• 8:23
  you
• 8:23
  can
• 8:23
  make
• 8:23
  spiritually.
• 8:24
  I'm
• 8:24
  going
• 8:24
  to
• 8:24
  do
• 8:24
  this
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  because
• 8:25
  it
• 8:25
  was
• 8:25
  done
• 8:25
  to
• 8:26
  me,
• 8:26
  or
• 8:27
  I'm
• 8:27
  going
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  make
• 8:27
  sure
• 8:27
  this
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  never
• 8:28
  done
• 8:28
  to
• 8:28
  you
• 8:29
  because
• 8:29
  it
• 8:29
  was
• 8:29
  done
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  me.
• 8:30
  That's
• 8:31
  love,
• 8:31
  and
• 8:31
  that's
• 8:31
  what
• 8:31
  I
• 8:31
  see
• 8:31
  in
• 8:32
  black
• 8:32
  churches.
• 8:33
  Beautiful.
• 8:34
  That's
• 8:35
  a
• 8:35
  beautiful
• 8:35
  distinction.
• 8:36
  Yeah.
• 8:36
  Well
• 8:37
  said.
• 8:37
  Well
• 8:37
  said.
• 8:38
  I
• 8:38
  just
• 8:38
  made
• 8:38
  it
• 8:39
  up.
• 8:39
  Thank
• 8:39
  you.
• 8:39
  You're
• 8:40
  bringing
• 8:40
  out
• 8:40
  the
• 8:40
  best
• 8:40
  in
• 8:40
  me,
• 8:42
  John.
• 8:43
  We
• 8:43
  haven't
• 8:43
  talked
• 8:44
  about
• 8:44
  a
• 8:44
  couple
• 8:44
  of
• 8:44
  the
• 8:45
  contemporary
• 8:46
  movements
• 8:46
  that
• 8:47
  have
• 8:48
  seemed
• 8:48
  like
• 8:49
  particular
• 8:49
  distortions
• 8:50
  or
• 8:51
  misunderstandings.
• 8:52
  I'm
• 8:52
  thinking
• 8:52
  of
• 8:52
  two.
• 8:53
  One
• 8:53
  is
• 8:53
  prosperity
• 8:54
  theology
• 8:54
  or
• 8:55
  prosperity
• 8:55
  gospel,
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  the
• 8:57
  other
• 8:57
  is
• 8:58
  Christian
• 8:58
  nationalism.
• 9:00
  Could
• 9:00
  you
• 9:00
  maybe
• 9:00
  say
• 9:00
  something
• 9:01
  about
• 9:01
  this?
• 9:02
  Sure.
• 9:02
  They
• 9:02
  are
• 9:02
  very
• 9:03
  different.
• 9:03
  Christian
• 9:04
  nationalism,
• 9:04
  as
• 9:05
  you
• 9:05
  know,
• 9:05
  is.
• 9:05
  It's
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  invoke
• 9:06
  term
• 9:06
  now
• 9:07
  for,
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  know,
• 9:08
  a
• 9:08
  kind
• 9:08
  of
• 9:08
  fundamentalism.
• 9:09
  This
• 9:10
  is
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  kind
• 9:10
  that
• 9:10
  believes
• 9:11
  that
• 9:11
  America
• 9:12
  was
• 9:12
  created
• 9:12
  to
• 9:13
  be
• 9:13
  a
• 9:13
  Christian
• 9:14
  nation
• 9:14
  and
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  is
• 9:15
  America's
• 9:16
  destiny
• 9:17
  and
• 9:17
  that
• 9:18
  God
• 9:18
  wants
• 9:18
  us
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  be
• 9:19
  Christian.
• 9:20
  And
• 9:20
  that,
• 9:21
  of
• 9:21
  course,
• 9:21
  is
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  exact
• 9:22
  opposite
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  what
• 9:23
  the
• 9:23
  founders
• 9:23
  wanted.
• 9:24
  And
• 9:25
  their
• 9:25
  views
• 9:25
  of
• 9:25
  domination
• 9:26
  is
• 9:26
  the
• 9:26
  exact
• 9:26
  opposite
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  what
• 9:27
  Christ
• 9:27
  taught.
• 9:28
  Christian
• 9:28
  nationalism,
• 9:29
  I
• 9:29
  say
• 9:29
  in
• 9:29
  the
• 9:29
  book,
• 9:30
  is
• 9:30
  like
• 9:30
  taking
• 9:31
  the
• 9:31
  New
• 9:31
  Testament
• 9:32
  and
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  Bill
• 9:32
  of
• 9:32
  Rights
• 9:33
  into
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  woods
• 9:33
  at
• 9:33
  gunpoint
• 9:34
  and
• 9:34
  digging
• 9:35
  two
• 9:35
  holes.
• 9:36
  It
• 9:36
  is
• 9:36
  a
• 9:36
  gospel
• 9:37
  of
• 9:38
  domination
• 9:38
  over
• 9:39
  love.
• 9:40
  And
• 9:40
  most
• 9:40
  of
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  people
• 9:41
  that
• 9:41
  you
• 9:41
  will
• 9:41
  find
• 9:42
  who
• 9:42
  are
• 9:42
  Christian
• 9:42
  nationalists
• 9:44
  do
• 9:44
  not
• 9:44
  care
• 9:44
  at
• 9:45
  all
• 9:45
  about
• 9:45
  the
• 9:46
  actual
• 9:46
  teachings
• 9:46
  of
• 9:47
  Christ.
• 9:47
  Their
• 9:47
  religion
• 9:48
  is
• 9:48
  power.
• 9:50
  The
• 9:50
  prosperity
• 9:51
  gospel
• 9:51
  is
• 9:51
  different.
• 9:52
  It's
• 9:52
  not
• 9:52
  like
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  same
• 9:53
  kind
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  racism
• 9:54
  and,
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  know,
• 9:55
  the
• 9:56
  same
• 9:56
  kind
• 9:56
  of
• 9:56
  violence
• 9:56
  as
• 9:56
  Christian
• 9:57
  nationalism.
• 9:58
  The
• 9:58
  prosperity
• 9:58
  gospel
• 9:59
  is
• 9:59
  this
• 9:59
  notion,
• 10:00
  this
• 10:00
  belief
• 10:01
  that's
• 10:01
  very
• 10:01
  popular
• 10:02
  and
• 10:02
  very
• 10:02
  lucrative
• 10:03
  that,
• 10:03
  oh,
• 10:04
  boy,
• 10:04
  God
• 10:04
  wants
• 10:05
  you
• 10:05
  to
• 10:05
  have
• 10:05
  material
• 10:05
  success.
• 10:06
  And
• 10:06
  if
• 10:06
  you
• 10:06
  live
• 10:07
  a
• 10:07
  good
• 10:07
  life
• 10:07
  and
• 10:08
  if
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  donate
• 10:09
  heavily
• 10:09
  to
• 10:09
  our
• 10:09
  church,
• 10:10
  then
• 10:10
  God
• 10:11
  will
• 10:11
  reward
• 10:12
  your
• 10:12
  poggity
• 10:13
  with
• 10:13
  material
• 10:13
  wealth
• 10:14
  and
• 10:14
  riches
• 10:14
  in
• 10:14
  this
• 10:15
  lifetime.
• 10:15
  That's
• 10:16
  popularized
• 10:17
  by
• 10:17
  Joel
• 10:17
  Osteen
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  lot
• 10:18
  of
• 10:18
  other
• 10:19
  preachers,
• 10:20
  and
• 10:20
  it's
• 10:21
  awfully
• 10:21
  cute,
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  it's
• 10:23
  theologically
• 10:24
  stupid.
• 10:24
  At
• 10:25
  no
• 10:25
  point
• 10:25
  in
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  Bible
• 10:26
  does
• 10:26
  Jesus
• 10:27
  ever
• 10:27
  say,
• 10:28
  you're
• 10:28
  going
• 10:28
  to
• 10:28
  get
• 10:29
  lots
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  cool
• 10:29
  shit
• 10:30
  for
• 10:30
  doing
• 10:30
  the
• 10:30
  right
• 10:30
  thing.
• 10:31
  At
• 10:31
  no
• 10:31
  point
• 10:32
  in
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  Bible
• 10:32
  does
• 10:33
  Christ
• 10:33
  ever
• 10:33
  say,
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  will
• 10:35
  get
• 10:35
  material
• 10:36
  riches
• 10:36
  for
• 10:37
  following
• 10:37
  my
• 10:38
  command.
• 10:38
  It's
• 10:39
  a
• 10:39
  very,
• 10:39
  very
• 10:39
  seductive
• 10:40
  argument.
• 10:41
  But
• 10:41
  it
• 10:41
  is
• 10:41
  junk
• 10:42
  theology,
• 10:42
  because
• 10:43
  what
• 10:44
  you're
• 10:44
  saying
• 10:44
  when
• 10:44
  you're
• 10:44
  messaging,
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  is,
• 10:46
  okay,
• 10:47
  so
• 10:47
  material
• 10:47
  success
• 10:48
  and
• 10:48
  wealth
• 10:48
  are
• 10:48
  proof
• 10:49
  that
• 10:49
  you're
• 10:49
  a
• 10:49
  good
• 10:49
  Christian.
• 10:50
  Well,
• 10:50
  what
• 10:50
  you're
• 10:51
  saying
• 10:51
  is
• 10:51
  that
• 10:51
  hard
• 10:51
  times
• 10:52
  and
• 10:52
  economic
• 10:53
  struggles
• 10:54
  are
• 10:54
  clearly
• 10:54
  happening
• 10:55
  to
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  because
• 10:55
  you're
• 10:56
  spiritually
• 10:57
  insufficient.
• 10:57
  You're
• 10:58
  a
• 10:58
  sinner.
• 10:58
  Yeah.
• 10:59
  You're
• 10:59
  broken
• 10:59
  in
• 10:59
  some
• 11:00
  way.
• 11:00
  So
• 11:00
  your
• 11:00
  suffering
• 11:01
  is
• 11:01
  your
• 11:02
  own
• 11:02
  fault.
• 11:03
  And
• 11:03
  we
• 11:03
  saw
• 11:03
  this
• 11:03
  for
• 11:04
  years
• 11:04
  with
• 11:04
  Jerry
• 11:04
  Falwell
• 11:05
  calling
• 11:05
  poor
• 11:05
  people
• 11:06
  bums.
• 11:06
  You
• 11:07
  know,
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  whole
• 11:07
  thing
• 11:07
  of
• 11:07
  your
• 11:08
  poverty
• 11:08
  is
• 11:08
  your
• 11:09
  fault,
• 11:09
  but
• 11:10
  you'll
• 11:10
  have
• 11:10
  wealth
• 11:11
  and
• 11:11
  lots
• 11:11
  of
• 11:11
  cool
• 11:12
  toys
• 11:12
  and
• 11:12
  things
• 11:13
  that
• 11:13
  plug
• 11:13
  in
• 11:13
  and
• 11:13
  wrap
• 11:14
  lights
• 11:14
  in
• 11:14
  it
• 11:14
  if
• 11:14
  you
• 11:15
  follow
• 11:15
  this
• 11:15
  way.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:16
  you
• 11:16
  know
• 11:16
  what?
• 11:17
  Joel
• 11:17
  Osteen
• 11:18
  has
• 11:18
  become
• 11:18
  very,
• 11:19
  very
• 11:19
  wealthy
• 11:19
  for
• 11:19
  that.
• 11:20
  He
• 11:20
  is
• 11:20
  not
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  racist.
• 11:21
  He
• 11:21
  is
• 11:21
  not
• 11:21
  a
• 11:22
  Christian
• 11:22
  nationalist.
• 11:23
  He's
• 11:23
  not
• 11:23
  an
• 11:23
  authoritarian.
• 11:24
  But
• 11:25
  it's
• 11:25
  garbage
• 11:26
  theology
• 11:26
  that
• 11:27
  has
• 11:27
  nothing
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  do
• 11:27
  with
• 11:28
  Jesus.
• 11:29
  Yeah,
• 11:29
  I
• 11:29
  think
• 11:29
  he
• 11:29
  has
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  $50
• 11:30
  million
• 11:31
  house.
• 11:32
  Oh,
• 11:32
  he
• 11:32
  does?
• 11:32
  Yeah.
• 11:32
  But
• 11:33
  he
• 11:33
  couldn't
• 11:33
  let
• 11:33
  people
• 11:34
  come
• 11:34
  in
• 11:34
  to
• 11:34
  take
• 11:34
  shelter
• 11:35
  in
• 11:35
  his
• 11:35
  church
• 11:35
  during
• 11:35
  a
• 11:35
  hurricane.
• 11:36
  During
• 11:36
  the
• 11:36
  hurricane.
• 11:37
  Yeah.
• 11:37
  He
• 11:37
  kept
• 11:37
  them
• 11:38
  out.
• 11:38
  And
• 11:38
  they
• 11:38
  found
• 11:38
  about
• 11:39
  300
• 11:39
  grand
• 11:39
  hidden
• 11:40
  in
• 11:40
  the
• 11:40
  walls
• 11:40
  of
• 11:40
  a
• 11:41
  bathroom
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  that
• 11:41
  church.
• 11:41
  I
• 11:42
  mean,
• 11:42
  it's
• 11:42
  all
• 11:42
  grifted.
• 11:44
  Oh,
• 11:44
  dear.
• 11:44
  I
• 11:45
  told
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  story.
• 11:46
  Oh,
• 11:46
  dear.
• 11:46
  Oh,
• 11:47
  Google
• 11:47
  the
• 11:48
  cash
• 11:48
  they
• 11:48
  found
• 11:48
  in
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  walls
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  Joel
• 11:49
  Osteen's
• 11:50
  church.
• 11:50
  Yeah,
• 11:50
  I
• 11:50
  read
• 11:51
  that.
• 11:51
  Yeah,
• 11:51
  you're
• 11:52
  right
• 11:52
  on.
• 11:52
  You
• 11:53
  know,
• 11:53
  I
• 11:53
  mean.
• 11:53
  And
• 11:53
  look.
• 11:54
  And
• 11:54
  he's
• 11:54
  raking
• 11:54
  it
• 11:54
  in,
• 11:55
  and
• 11:55
  that's
• 11:55
  nothing
• 11:55
  new.
• 11:56
  And,
• 11:56
  yeah,
• 11:56
  we
• 11:57
  gotta
• 11:57
  call
• 11:57
  that
• 11:57
  out.
• 11:57
  But
• 11:58
  again,
• 11:58
  he's
• 11:58
  that
• 11:59
  kind
• 11:59
  of
• 11:59
  grift.
• 12:00
  They're
• 12:00
  not
• 12:00
  the
• 12:00
  ones
• 12:01
  making
• 12:01
  Life
• 12:01
  hell
• 12:02
  for
• 12:02
  migrants
• 12:02
  and
• 12:03
  trans
• 12:03
  children.
• 12:03
  They're,
• 12:04
  you
• 12:04
  know,
• 12:04
  it's
• 12:04
  not
• 12:04
  Joel
• 12:05
  Osteen
• 12:05
  sending
• 12:05
  these
• 12:06
  ICE
• 12:06
  thugs
• 12:06
  to
• 12:06
  chase
• 12:07
  brown
• 12:07
  kids
• 12:07
  around
• 12:08
  church
• 12:08
  picnics.
• 12:09
  And,
• 12:09
  you
• 12:09
  know,
• 12:09
  there's
• 12:10
  no
• 12:10
  starker
• 12:12
  rejection
• 12:12
  of
• 12:12
  the
• 12:12
  Gospels
• 12:13
  than
• 12:13
  what
• 12:13
  we
• 12:14
  see
• 12:14
  with
• 12:14
  the
• 12:15
  Trump
• 12:15
  administration.
• 12:15
  And
• 12:16
  that's
• 12:16
  why
• 12:17
  I
• 12:17
  wrote
• 12:17
  the
• 12:17
  book,
• 12:17
  to
• 12:17
  show
• 12:18
  folks
• 12:18
  you
• 12:18
  don't
• 12:18
  need
• 12:18
  to
• 12:18
  necessarily
• 12:19
  fight
• 12:19
  these
• 12:19
  people.
• 12:20
  You
• 12:20
  can
• 12:20
  let
• 12:21
  them
• 12:21
  argue
• 12:21
  with
• 12:21
  God.
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  was
• 12:22
  on
• 12:22
  CNN
• 12:23
  with
• 12:23
  our
• 12:23
  friend
• 12:23
  Scott
• 12:23
  Jennings
• 12:24
  not
• 12:24
  too
• 12:24
  long
• 12:24
  ago,
• 12:24
  and
• 12:25
  he
• 12:25
  was
• 12:25
  talking
• 12:25
  about
• 12:25
  the
• 12:25
  illegals.
• 12:26
  The
• 12:26
  illegals,
• 12:27
  which
• 12:27
  is
• 12:27
  a
• 12:27
  racist
• 12:28
  slur.
• 12:28
  They've
• 12:29
  never
• 12:29
  called
• 12:29
  a
• 12:29
  white
• 12:30
  lawbreaker
• 12:30
  an
• 12:31
  illegal
• 12:31
  in
• 12:31
  their
• 12:31
  life.
• 12:32
  It's
• 12:32
  only
• 12:32
  the
• 12:32
  brown
• 12:32
  people
• 12:33
  who
• 12:33
  cross
• 12:33
  the
• 12:33
  border.
• 12:34
  And,
• 12:35
  you
• 12:35
  know,
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  said
• 12:35
  to
• 12:36
  him,
• 12:36
  and
• 12:37
  you
• 12:37
  can
• 12:37
  do
• 12:37
  this
• 12:37
  with
• 12:37
  your
• 12:38
  racist
• 12:38
  uncle.
• 12:38
  I
• 12:39
  said,
• 12:39
  God
• 12:39
  of
• 12:39
  the
• 12:39
  Old
• 12:40
  Testament
• 12:40
  commands
• 12:41
  us
• 12:41
  to
• 12:41
  welcome
• 12:41
  the
• 12:41
  stranger.
• 12:42
  God
• 12:42
  of
• 12:42
  the
• 12:42
  Old
• 12:43
  Testament
• 12:43
  says
• 12:44
  that
• 12:44
  we
• 12:44
  must
• 12:44
  treat
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  alien
• 12:45
  as
• 12:45
  one
• 12:45
  of
• 12:45
  our
• 12:45
  own.
• 12:46
  And
• 12:46
  his
• 12:47
  son
• 12:47
  goes
• 12:47
  a
• 12:47
  step
• 12:47
  further
• 12:48
  in
• 12:48
  Matthew
• 12:48
  25
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  says,
• 12:49
  Individuals
• 12:50
  and
• 12:50
  nations
• 12:50
  will
• 12:50
  be
• 12:51
  judged
• 12:51
  heaven
• 12:51
  or
• 12:51
  hell
• 12:52
  by
• 12:52
  how
• 12:52
  we
• 12:52
  welcome
• 12:52
  the
• 12:53
  stranger.
• 12:53
  So
• 12:53
  why
• 12:53
  should
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  listen
• 12:54
  to
• 12:54
  you,
• 12:54
  uncle
• 12:55
  racist
• 12:55
  and
• 12:55
  Donald
• 12:56
  Trump
• 12:56
  and
• 12:57
  reject
• 12:57
  God
• 12:57
  and
• 12:58
  Jesus?
• 12:58
  If
• 12:58
  you
• 12:59
  know
• 12:59
  enough
• 12:59
  about
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  scriptures
• 13:00
  for
• 13:00
  any
• 13:00
  particular
• 13:01
  issue,
• 13:01
  you
• 13:01
  don't
• 13:02
  need
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  debate
• 13:02
  them.
• 13:03
  Let
• 13:03
  them
• 13:03
  debate
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  Bible
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  read
• 13:05
  this.
• 13:06
  Yeah,
• 13:06
  I
• 13:07
  mean,
• 13:07
  seriously,
• 13:07
  like
• 13:08
  I
• 13:08
  ask
• 13:08
  listeners,
• 13:09
  I
• 13:09
  ask
• 13:09
  callers
• 13:09
  to
• 13:09
  my
• 13:10
  radio
• 13:10
  show
• 13:10
  all
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  time,
• 13:10
  please
• 13:11
  give
• 13:11
  me
• 13:12
  one
• 13:12
  teaching
• 13:12
  of
• 13:13
  Christ
• 13:13
  that
• 13:13
  Donald
• 13:13
  Trump
• 13:14
  has
• 13:14
  fought
• 13:14
  for
• 13:14
  legislatively.
• 13:15
  Just
• 13:16
  one
• 13:16
  chapter
• 13:16
  and
• 13:17
  verse,
• 13:17
  please.
• 13:17
  And
• 13:18
  that's
• 13:18
  how
• 13:18
  you'll
• 13:18
  find
• 13:18
  out
• 13:19
  how
• 13:19
  little
• 13:19
  these
• 13:19
  folks
• 13:19
  have
• 13:20
  actually
• 13:20
  read
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  Bible,
• 13:21
  but
• 13:21
  you
• 13:21
  know
• 13:21
  so
• 13:22
  much
• 13:22
  of
• 13:22
  it.
• 13:22
  And
• 13:22
  this
• 13:23
  brings
• 13:23
  it
• 13:23
  back
• 13:23
  to
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  psychological
• 13:24
  aspect
• 13:24
  is,
• 13:25
  folks,
• 13:26
  who
• 13:26
  took
• 13:26
  that
• 13:26
  honor
• 13:27
  thy
• 13:27
  mother
• 13:27
  and
• 13:27
  father
• 13:27
  part
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  little
• 13:28
  too
• 13:29
  literally.
• 13:30
  Because
• 13:30
  what
• 13:30
  if
• 13:31
  your
• 13:31
  mother
• 13:31
  and
• 13:32
  father
• 13:32
  are
• 13:32
  lovely
• 13:32
  people
• 13:33
  but
• 13:33
  doing
• 13:33
  ugly
• 13:34
  things?
• 13:35
  And
• 13:35
  for
• 13:35
  me,
• 13:36
  I
• 13:36
  just
• 13:36
  try
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  bring
• 13:37
  it
• 13:37
  back
• 13:37
  to
• 13:37
  Jesus.
• 13:37
  If
• 13:38
  you're
• 13:38
  going
• 13:38
  to
• 13:38
  say
• 13:38
  you
• 13:38
  follow
• 13:39
  Christ,
• 13:39
  then
• 13:40
  you
• 13:40
  should
• 13:40
  follow
• 13:41
  him.
• 13:41
  But
• 13:41
  if
• 13:41
  you're
• 13:42
  going
• 13:42
  to
• 13:42
  use
• 13:42
  him
• 13:42
  for
• 13:42
  power,
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  rest
• 13:43
  of
• 13:43
  us
• 13:44
  get
• 13:44
  to
• 13:44
  mock
• 13:44
  you
• 13:44
  for
• 13:44
  it.
• 13:47
  John,
• 13:47
  want
• 13:47
  to
• 13:48
  extend
• 13:48
  on
• 13:48
  what
• 13:48
  you
• 13:49
  were
• 13:49
  saying
• 13:49
  about
• 13:50
  Christian
• 13:50
  nationalism
• 13:51
  and
• 13:51
  your
• 13:52
  point
• 13:52
  about
• 13:52
  this
• 13:53
  being
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  fundamentalism
• 13:55
  being
• 13:56
  an
• 13:56
  international
• 13:57
  phenomenon,
• 13:57
  multi
• 13:58
  traditional
• 13:58
  phenomena.
• 13:59
  And
• 13:59
  talk
• 14:00
  about
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  role
• 14:01
  that
• 14:01
  Christian
• 14:02
  nationalism
• 14:02
  is
• 14:02
  playing
• 14:03
  in
• 14:04
  Russia
• 14:04
  at
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  moment
• 14:05
  with
• 14:05
  the
• 14:05
  Russian
• 14:06
  Order
• 14:06
  Church.
• 14:07
  Love
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  hear
• 14:08
  you
• 14:08
  comment
• 14:08
  on
• 14:09
  that.
• 14:09
  Good
• 14:09
  point.
• 14:10
  I
• 14:10
  mean,
• 14:10
  well,
• 14:11
  look,
• 14:11
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• 14:11
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• 14:11
  look
• 14:12
  how
• 14:12
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• 14:13
  reason
• 14:13
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• 14:14
  Putin
• 14:14
  listens
• 14:15
  to
• 14:15
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• 14:15
  patriarch
• 14:15
  is
• 14:16
  the
• 14:16
  patriarch
• 14:16
  tells
• 14:17
  Putin
• 14:17
  what
• 14:17
  he
• 14:17
  wants
• 14:17
  to
• 14:17
  hear.
• 14:18
  We
• 14:19
  have
• 14:19
  God's
• 14:20
  name
• 14:20
  added
• 14:20
  to
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  Pledge
• 14:21
  of
• 14:21
  Allegiance,
• 14:21
  which
• 14:22
  is
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  loyalty
• 14:22
  oath.
• 14:23
  We
• 14:23
  make
• 14:23
  Children
• 14:23
  say
• 14:24
  every
• 14:24
  day
• 14:24
  in
• 14:24
  schools,
• 14:25
  because
• 14:25
  we're
• 14:25
  all
• 14:25
  about
• 14:25
  freedom.
• 14:26
  Right.
• 14:27
  They
• 14:27
  only
• 14:27
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• 14:27
  under
• 14:28
  God
• 14:28
  to
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  pledge
• 14:28
  in
• 14:28
  the
• 14:29
  1950s
• 14:29
  as
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  dig
• 14:30
  at
• 14:30
  those
• 14:30
  Soviets
• 14:31
  for
• 14:31
  being
• 14:31
  so
• 14:31
  godless.
• 14:32
  Now
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  big
• 14:33
  hype
• 14:33
  is,
• 14:33
  oh,
• 14:34
  they're
• 14:34
  not
• 14:34
  godless
• 14:34
  anymore.
• 14:35
  They're
• 14:35
  so
• 14:35
  Christian.
• 14:36
  Well,
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  patriarch
• 14:38
  is
• 14:38
  the
• 14:38
  one
• 14:38
  who
• 14:38
  gave
• 14:39
  Putin
• 14:39
  spiritual
• 14:40
  license
• 14:40
  to
• 14:41
  violate
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  treaty
• 14:43
  we
• 14:43
  all
• 14:43
  signed
• 14:43
  in
• 14:44
  94
• 14:44
  and
• 14:45
  violently
• 14:46
  invade
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  have
• 14:47
  mass
• 14:48
  slaughter
• 14:48
  and
• 14:48
  rape
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  the
• 14:49
  Ukrainian
• 14:50
  people.
• 14:50
  This
• 14:52
  godless,
• 14:53
  genocidal,
• 14:54
  lawless
• 14:55
  slaughter
• 14:56
  invasion
• 14:57
  is
• 14:58
  propped
• 14:58
  up
• 14:58
  by
• 14:59
  the
• 14:59
  Russian
• 14:59
  Orthodox
• 15:00
  Church,
• 15:00
  who
• 15:00
  totally
• 15:01
  gave
• 15:01
  Putin.
• 15:01
  That's
• 15:02
  what
• 15:02
  they
• 15:02
  do.
• 15:02
  Right?
• 15:03
  You
• 15:03
  have
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  somehow
• 15:03
  have
• 15:04
  some
• 15:04
  kind
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  just
• 15:04
  war
• 15:05
  theory.
• 15:05
  Right
• 15:05
  before
• 15:06
  we
• 15:06
  invaded
• 15:06
  Iraq,
• 15:07
  George
• 15:07
  Bush
• 15:07
  said,
• 15:07
  God
• 15:08
  will
• 15:08
  not
• 15:08
  be
• 15:08
  neutral.
• 15:09
  So
• 15:09
  once
• 15:09
  you
• 15:09
  have
• 15:10
  that
• 15:10
  veneer
• 15:11
  of
• 15:11
  spiritual
• 15:12
  blessing
• 15:13
  Hitler
• 15:13
  showed
• 15:13
  us,
• 15:14
  you
• 15:14
  got
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  clergy
• 15:15
  to
• 15:15
  back
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  up,
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  can
• 15:16
  do
• 15:16
  any
• 15:16
  anti
• 15:16
  Jesus
• 15:17
  thing
• 15:17
  you
• 15:17
  want.
• 15:18
  I
• 15:19
  would
• 15:19
  say
• 15:19
  in
• 15:19
  the
• 15:19
  far
• 15:20
  right,
• 15:21
  they
• 15:21
  love
• 15:21
  Putin.
• 15:22
  They
• 15:22
  love
• 15:22
  Putin.
• 15:23
  It's
• 15:23
  just
• 15:23
  bizarre.
• 15:24
  When
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  was
• 15:25
  a
• 15:25
  kid,
• 15:25
  I
• 15:25
  had
• 15:26
  far
• 15:26
  right
• 15:26
  people
• 15:26
  hating
• 15:27
  me
• 15:27
  for
• 15:27
  not
• 15:27
  hating
• 15:27
  Russians
• 15:28
  more.
• 15:28
  And
• 15:29
  now
• 15:29
  I'm
• 15:29
  a
• 15:29
  grown
• 15:29
  up
• 15:29
  and
• 15:29
  I
• 15:29
  have
• 15:30
  far
• 15:30
  right
• 15:30
  people
• 15:30
  hating
• 15:30
  me
• 15:31
  because
• 15:31
  I
• 15:31
  don't
• 15:32
  trust
• 15:32
  Putin.
• 15:32
  It's
• 15:32
  just
• 15:33
  like
• 15:33
  it's
• 15:34
  all
• 15:34
  authoritarianism.
• 15:35
  They
• 15:35
  worship
• 15:35
  power.
• 15:36
  You
• 15:36
  know,
• 15:37
  that's
• 15:37
  their
• 15:37
  creed.
• 15:38
  Whoever's
• 15:39
  boss
• 15:39
  have
• 15:39
  these
• 15:39
  liberals
• 15:40
  all
• 15:40
  the
• 15:40
  time
• 15:40
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• 15:40
  say
• 15:41
  to
• 15:41
  me,
• 15:41
  how
• 15:41
  can
• 15:41
  these
• 15:42
  people
• 15:42
  all
• 15:42
  be
• 15:43
  so
• 15:43
  pro
• 15:43
  cop
• 15:44
  every
• 15:44
  time
• 15:44
  a
• 15:44
  cop
• 15:44
  murders
• 15:45
  an
• 15:45
  unarmed
• 15:45
  black
• 15:46
  person?
• 15:46
  And
• 15:47
  then
• 15:47
  they'll
• 15:47
  stand
• 15:47
  by
• 15:48
  and
• 15:48
  cheer
• 15:48
  when
• 15:49
  cops
• 15:49
  are
• 15:49
  beaten
• 15:49
  on
• 15:50
  January
• 15:50
  6th
• 15:50
  on
• 15:51
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• 15:51
  Capitol
• 15:51
  steps.
• 15:52
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• 15:52
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• 15:52
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• 15:52
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• 15:52
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• 15:53
  disconnect
• 15:53
  at
• 15:53
  all
• 15:53
  there.
• 15:53
  I
• 15:54
  think
• 15:54
  it's
• 15:54
  completely
• 15:55
  that
• 15:55
  in
• 15:55
  terms
• 15:56
  of
• 15:56
  the
• 15:56
  psychology,
• 15:56
  you
• 15:57
  would
• 15:57
  know
• 15:57
  better
• 15:57
  than
• 15:57
  me.
• 15:57
  But
• 15:58
  that's
• 15:58
  authoritarianism.
• 16:00
  These
• 16:00
  people
• 16:00
  will
• 16:01
  support
• 16:01
  a
• 16:01
  cop
• 16:02
  murdering
• 16:02
  an
• 16:02
  unarmed
• 16:03
  brown
• 16:03
  person.
• 16:03
  They
• 16:03
  don't
• 16:04
  need
• 16:04
  to
• 16:04
  see
• 16:04
  any
• 16:04
  evidence.
• 16:04
  They'll
• 16:05
  side
• 16:05
  with
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  cop
• 16:06
  because
• 16:06
  they
• 16:06
  side
• 16:06
  with
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  authority
• 16:07
  figure.
• 16:08
  But
• 16:08
  when
• 16:09
  that
• 16:09
  authority
• 16:09
  figure
• 16:10
  is
• 16:10
  in
• 16:11
  the
• 16:11
  way
• 16:11
  of
• 16:12
  another
• 16:12
  authority
• 16:13
  figure,
• 16:13
  when
• 16:13
  that
• 16:14
  cop
• 16:14
  is
• 16:14
  stopping
• 16:15
  Donald
• 16:15
  Trump
• 16:16
  from
• 16:16
  using
• 16:16
  fake
• 16:17
  electors
• 16:17
  to
• 16:18
  steal
• 16:18
  an
• 16:18
  election,
• 16:19
  well,
• 16:19
  then
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  cop's
• 16:20
  a
• 16:21
  problem.
• 16:21
  So
• 16:21
  it's
• 16:21
  not
• 16:22
  inconsistent.
• 16:22
  These
• 16:23
  back
• 16:23
  the
• 16:23
  blue
• 16:23
  hypocrites.
• 16:24
  Yeah,
• 16:24
  they're
• 16:25
  hypocrites
• 16:26
  on
• 16:26
  one
• 16:26
  level,
• 16:27
  but
• 16:27
  not
• 16:27
  because
• 16:28
  they
• 16:28
  only
• 16:28
  care
• 16:28
  about
• 16:28
  power.
• 16:29
  So
• 16:29
  the
• 16:29
  same
• 16:30
  cop,
• 16:30
  they'll
• 16:30
  cheer
• 16:31
  when
• 16:31
  he's
• 16:31
  beating
• 16:31
  up
• 16:31
  on
• 16:31
  someone
• 16:32
  more
• 16:32
  powerless?
• 16:33
  Well,
• 16:33
  they'll
• 16:34
  cheer
• 16:34
  someone
• 16:34
  more
• 16:35
  powerful
• 16:35
  when
• 16:35
  he's
• 16:35
  beating
• 16:36
  up
• 16:36
  on
• 16:36
  that
• 16:36
  cop.
• 16:38
  That's
• 16:38
  authoritarianism.
• 16:39
  They
• 16:39
  worship
• 16:40
  power.
• 16:41
  Yeah.
• 16:42
  So,
• 16:42
  you
• 16:42
  know,
• 16:42
  I'm
• 16:43
  living
• 16:43
  in
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  heart
• 16:43
  of
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  Bible
• 16:44
  Belt
• 16:44
  right
• 16:44
  now
• 16:45
  in
• 16:45
  northern
• 16:46
  Louisiana,
• 16:47
  but
• 16:48
  They're
• 16:48
  really
• 16:49
  losing
• 16:49
  a
• 16:50
  lot
• 16:50
  of
• 16:50
  their,
• 16:51
  their
• 16:51
  followers.
• 16:51
  I
• 16:52
  mean,
• 16:52
  you
• 16:52
  drive
• 16:53
  through
• 16:53
  rural
• 16:54
  Louisiana
• 16:54
  and
• 16:55
  you
• 16:55
  see
• 16:55
  all
• 16:55
  these
• 16:55
  abandoned
• 16:56
  churches.
• 16:56
  Yes,
• 16:56
  sir.
• 16:57
  Same
• 16:57
  in
• 16:57
  New
• 16:57
  York
• 16:57
  City.
• 16:58
  Yeah,
• 16:58
  it's
• 16:59
  just
• 16:59
  the
• 17:00
  young
• 17:00
  people
• 17:00
  aren't
• 17:00
  buying
• 17:01
  and
• 17:02
  the
• 17:02
  old
• 17:02
  people
• 17:03
  eventually
• 17:04
  pass
• 17:05
  and
• 17:05
  so
• 17:05
  the
• 17:05
  churches
• 17:05
  are
• 17:06
  closing
• 17:06
  down
• 17:07
  again.
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  found
• 17:07
  some
• 17:08
  really
• 17:08
  good
• 17:08
  stuff
• 17:08
  in
• 17:09
  the
• 17:09
  black
• 17:09
  churches
• 17:10
  around
• 17:10
  here,
• 17:11
  but
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  know,
• 17:12
  it's
• 17:12
  hard
• 17:13
  to
• 17:13
  keep
• 17:13
  them
• 17:13
  down
• 17:13
  on
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  farm
• 17:14
  when
• 17:14
  they
• 17:14
  seem
• 17:14
  gay.
• 17:15
  Paris.
• 17:15
  Right?
• 17:16
  Yeah,
• 17:16
  but
• 17:18
  on
• 17:18
  your
• 17:18
  level.
• 17:19
  But
• 17:19
  yeah,
• 17:20
  it's
• 17:20
  changing,
• 17:21
  it's
• 17:21
  going
• 17:21
  away.
• 17:22
  The
• 17:22
  Bible
• 17:22
  belt
• 17:23
  is
• 17:23
  not
• 17:23
  so
• 17:23
  tight
• 17:24
  anymore.
• 17:25
  You
• 17:25
  may
• 17:26
  be
• 17:26
  right.
• 17:26
  But
• 17:26
  I
• 17:26
  do
• 17:26
  think
• 17:27
  in
• 17:28
  looking
• 17:28
  to
• 17:28
  the
• 17:28
  future
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  the
• 17:29
  church,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:30
  if
• 17:30
  the
• 17:31
  church
• 17:31
  wants
• 17:31
  to
• 17:31
  survive,
• 17:32
  it
• 17:32
  will
• 17:33
  probably
• 17:33
  have
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  realize
• 17:34
  that
• 17:34
  keeping
• 17:34
  women
• 17:34
  as
• 17:35
  second
• 17:35
  class
• 17:35
  citizens,
• 17:36
  being
• 17:36
  mean
• 17:36
  to
• 17:36
  gay
• 17:37
  people,
• 17:37
  those
• 17:38
  old
• 17:38
  standbys
• 17:39
  aren't
• 17:39
  testing
• 17:39
  as
• 17:39
  well
• 17:39
  with
• 17:39
  the
• 17:40
  focus
• 17:40
  groups
• 17:40
  in
• 17:40
  this
• 17:41
  century.
• 17:41
  And
• 17:42
  I
• 17:42
  do
• 17:43
  believe
• 17:43
  in
• 17:43
  many
• 17:43
  ways
• 17:44
  we
• 17:44
  are
• 17:44
  getting
• 17:44
  better
• 17:45
  and
• 17:45
  kinder
• 17:46
  as
• 17:46
  people.
• 17:46
  If
• 17:47
  you
• 17:47
  had
• 17:47
  told
• 17:47
  me
• 17:47
  in
• 17:47
  the
• 17:47
  1990s
• 17:49
  that
• 17:49
  America
• 17:50
  would
• 17:51
  have
• 17:51
  gay
• 17:52
  marriage
• 17:53
  and
• 17:53
  a
• 17:53
  black
• 17:53
  president
• 17:54
  and
• 17:55
  we'd
• 17:55
  stop
• 17:55
  putting
• 17:55
  people
• 17:55
  in
• 17:56
  jail
• 17:56
  for
• 17:56
  cannabis,
• 17:57
  if
• 17:57
  you
• 17:57
  had
• 17:57
  told
• 17:57
  me
• 17:57
  this
• 17:57
  in
• 17:57
  the
• 17:58
  90s,
• 17:58
  within
• 17:58
  30,
• 17:58
  I
• 17:59
  wouldn't
• 17:59
  believe
• 17:59
  it.
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  wouldn't
• 18:00
  believe
• 18:00
  that
• 18:00
  humans
• 18:00
  could
• 18:01
  be
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  moral
• 18:01
  and
• 18:02
  evolve
• 18:02
  that
• 18:02
  much
• 18:02
  in
• 18:03
  30
• 18:03
  years.
• 18:03
  So
• 18:04
  there
• 18:04
  is
• 18:04
  so
• 18:04
  much
• 18:04
  evidence
• 18:05
  that
• 18:05
  we
• 18:05
  are
• 18:05
  getting
• 18:05
  kinder,
• 18:06
  that
• 18:06
  our
• 18:06
  hearts
• 18:07
  and
• 18:07
  minds
• 18:07
  are
• 18:07
  getting
• 18:07
  larger.
• 18:09
  But
• 18:09
  if
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  church
• 18:10
  wants
• 18:10
  to
• 18:10
  survive,
• 18:10
  you
• 18:11
  know,
• 18:11
  fighting
• 18:12
  injustice,
• 18:13
  standing
• 18:14
  up
• 18:14
  to
• 18:14
  discrimination,
• 18:15
  proper
• 18:16
  stewardship
• 18:17
  of
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  earth,
• 18:18
  looking
• 18:18
  out
• 18:19
  for
• 18:19
  the
• 18:19
  less
• 18:19
  fortunate
• 18:20
  and
• 18:20
  fighting
• 18:21
  that
• 18:21
  poor
• 18:21
  people
• 18:22
  have
• 18:22
  a
• 18:22
  safety
• 18:22
  net
• 18:22
  and
• 18:23
  decent
• 18:23
  health
• 18:23
  care,
• 18:24
  these
• 18:24
  are
• 18:24
  all
• 18:25
  ideas
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  are
• 18:25
  really
• 18:26
  popular
• 18:26
  with
• 18:26
  young
• 18:27
  people
• 18:27
  that
• 18:28
  align
• 18:28
  quite
• 18:28
  nicely
• 18:29
  with
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  actual
• 18:29
  teachings
• 18:30
  of
• 18:30
  Jesus.
• 18:31
  If
• 18:31
  the
• 18:31
  church
• 18:31
  wants
• 18:32
  to
• 18:32
  survive,
• 18:32
  it's
• 18:32
  got
• 18:33
  to
• 18:33
  stop
• 18:33
  being
• 18:33
  about
• 18:33
  the
• 18:34
  church's
• 18:34
  power
• 18:35
  and
• 18:35
  go
• 18:36
  back
• 18:36
  to
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  actual
• 18:37
  words
• 18:38
  of
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  brown
• 18:39
  skinned
• 18:39
  Jewish
• 18:40
  faith
• 18:40
  healer
• 18:41
  who
• 18:41
  hung
• 18:41
  out
• 18:41
  in
• 18:41
  the
• 18:42
  poor
• 18:42
  neighborhoods
• 18:42
  of
• 18:42
  Galilee.
• 18:43
  I
• 18:43
  mean,
• 18:44
  the
• 18:44
  authoritarianism,
• 18:45
  it's
• 18:45
  always
• 18:45
  going
• 18:46
  to
• 18:46
  work
• 18:46
  with
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  certain
• 18:46
  kind
• 18:46
  of
• 18:46
  person.
• 18:47
  But
• 18:47
  as
• 18:47
  you
• 18:47
  point
• 18:47
  out,
• 18:48
  those
• 18:48
  people
• 18:48
  are
• 18:48
  going
• 18:48
  away.
• 18:49
  If
• 18:49
  you
• 18:50
  want
• 18:50
  to
• 18:50
  get
• 18:50
  young
• 18:50
  people
• 18:50
  now,
• 18:51
  the
• 18:51
  old
• 18:52
  forms
• 18:52
  of
• 18:52
  power,
• 18:53
  religion
• 18:53
  aren't
• 18:53
  going
• 18:53
  to
• 18:54
  work.
• 18:54
  But
• 18:54
  appealing
• 18:55
  to
• 18:55
  the
• 18:55
  mind,
• 18:55
  appealing
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  the
• 18:56
  heart,
• 18:56
  appealing
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  the
• 18:58
  best
• 18:58
  in
• 18:58
  all
• 18:58
  of
• 18:58
  us
• 18:58
  to
• 18:59
  help
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  less
• 18:59
  fortunate.
• 19:00
  I
• 19:00
  think
• 19:01
  humans
• 19:01
  are
• 19:01
  always
• 19:01
  going
• 19:01
  to
• 19:02
  be
• 19:02
  susceptible
• 19:02
  to
• 19:02
  that
• 19:02
  kind
• 19:03
  of
• 19:03
  love
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  goodwill.
• 19:04
  And
• 19:04
  I
• 19:04
  think
• 19:04
  it's
• 19:05
  the
• 19:05
  only
• 19:05
  way
• 19:05
  Christianity
• 19:05
  is
• 19:06
  going
• 19:06
  to
• 19:06
  survive
• 19:06
  by
• 19:06
  bringing
• 19:07
  it
• 19:07
  back
• 19:07
  to
• 19:07
  Jesus
• 19:08
  and
• 19:08
  getting
• 19:08
  it
• 19:08
  away
• 19:09
  from
• 19:10
  what's
• 19:10
  passed
• 19:11
  for
• 19:11
  religion.
• 19:12
  And
• 19:12
  yeah,
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  black
• 19:13
  church
• 19:13
  is
• 19:13
  a
• 19:13
  lot
• 19:13
  closer
• 19:14
  to
• 19:14
  that.
• 19:14
  You've
• 19:14
  mentioned
• 19:15
  several
• 19:15
  times,
• 19:15
  John,
• 19:16
  Jesus
• 19:16
  is
• 19:16
  this
• 19:17
  brown
• 19:17
  skinned
• 19:18
  guy.
• 19:19
  And
• 19:19
  each
• 19:19
  time
• 19:19
  you
• 19:20
  do
• 19:20
  it
• 19:20
  recalls
• 19:20
  to
• 19:20
  mind
• 19:21
  all
• 19:21
  these
• 19:21
  pictures
• 19:22
  I've
• 19:22
  seen
• 19:22
  of
• 19:22
  this
• 19:23
  blue
• 19:23
  eyed
• 19:23
  blonde
• 19:24
  Jesus.
• 19:25
  Oh,
• 19:25
  can
• 19:25
  you
• 19:26
  believe
• 19:26
  it?
• 19:28
  Just
• 19:28
  like
• 19:28
  me,
• 19:29
  I
• 19:30
  say
• 19:30
  at
• 19:30
  one
• 19:30
  point
• 19:30
  in
• 19:30
  the
• 19:30
  book,
• 19:31
  you
• 19:31
  know,
• 19:31
  the
• 19:31
  actual
• 19:32
  Jesus
• 19:32
  never
• 19:32
  could
• 19:33
  have
• 19:33
  been
• 19:33
  cast
• 19:34
  to
• 19:34
  play
• 19:34
  Jesus
• 19:35
  in
• 19:35
  a
• 19:35
  movie
• 19:35
  about
• 19:35
  Jesus.
• 19:36
  Like
• 19:37
  he
• 19:37
  never
• 19:37
  would
• 19:38
  have
• 19:38
  done
• 19:38
  it.
• 19:38
  It's
• 19:38
  got
• 19:38
  to,
• 19:39
  got
• 19:39
  to
• 19:39
  say
• 19:39
  what
• 19:39
  you
• 19:40
  want
• 19:40
  about
• 19:40
  the
• 19:40
  passion
• 19:40
  of
• 19:40
  the
• 19:41
  Christ
• 19:41
  and
• 19:41
  I
• 19:41
  have
• 19:41
  a
• 19:41
  lot
• 19:41
  of
• 19:41
  problems
• 19:42
  with
• 19:42
  that
• 19:42
  movie.
• 19:42
  But
• 19:42
  Jim
• 19:43
  Caviezel
• 19:43
  is
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  only
• 19:44
  actor
• 19:44
  to
• 19:44
  ever
• 19:44
  use
• 19:45
  colored
• 19:45
  contact
• 19:45
  so
• 19:46
  his
• 19:46
  Jesus
• 19:46
  wouldn't
• 19:46
  have
• 19:47
  blue
• 19:47
  eyes.
• 19:48
  Only
• 19:48
  one.
• 19:49
  Interesting,
• 19:51
  but
• 19:52
  I
• 19:52
  mean,
• 19:52
  but
• 19:52
  again,
• 19:52
  but
• 19:53
  that's
• 19:53
  what
• 19:53
  you
• 19:53
  do,
• 19:53
  right?
• 19:53
  That's
• 19:54
  white
• 19:54
  supremacy.
• 19:54
  When
• 19:55
  they
• 19:55
  began
• 19:55
  having
• 19:55
  white
• 19:56
  pictures
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  white
• 19:57
  Jesus
• 19:57
  in
• 19:57
  bibles
• 19:58
  in
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  1800s,
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  mean
• 19:59
  think
• 20:00
  about
• 20:00
  how
• 20:00
  destructive
• 20:01
  that
• 20:01
  was.
• 20:01
  Think
• 20:02
  about
• 20:02
  how
• 20:02
  that
• 20:02
  associated
• 20:03
  divinity
• 20:03
  and
• 20:04
  goodness
• 20:05
  with
• 20:05
  whiteness
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  Eurocentric
• 20:06
  good
• 20:07
  looks.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:08
  so
• 20:08
  the
• 20:08
  internalized
• 20:09
  racism
• 20:09
  is
• 20:10
  just
• 20:10
  part
• 20:10
  of
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  package
• 20:10
  deal.
• 20:11
  Right?
• 20:11
  You
• 20:11
  don't
• 20:11
  look
• 20:12
  like
• 20:12
  this,
• 20:12
  so
• 20:12
  you're
• 20:12
  not
• 20:12
  as
• 20:13
  holy
• 20:13
  as
• 20:13
  this.
• 20:14
  And
• 20:14
  that's
• 20:14
  how
• 20:14
  racism
• 20:15
  was
• 20:15
  embedded
• 20:16
  in
• 20:16
  generations
• 20:17
  of
• 20:17
  people.
• 20:18
  White
• 20:18
  blue
• 20:18
  eyed
• 20:19
  Jesus
• 20:20
  hanging
• 20:20
  out
• 20:20
  in
• 20:21
  Palestine,
• 20:23
  the
• 20:23
  only
• 20:23
  white
• 20:23
  blue
• 20:24
  eyed
• 20:24
  guy
• 20:24
  there.
• 20:24
  But
• 20:25
  it
• 20:25
  got
• 20:26
  the
• 20:26
  message
• 20:26
  across
• 20:27
  and
• 20:28
  we
• 20:28
  recreated
• 20:29
  Jesus
• 20:29
  in
• 20:29
  our
• 20:29
  own
• 20:29
  image
• 20:30
  and
• 20:30
  it
• 20:30
  led
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  centuries
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  racism
• 20:31
  and
• 20:32
  cruelty
• 20:32
  and
• 20:33
  recreated
• 20:33
  God
• 20:34
  in
• 20:34
  our
• 20:34
  own
• 20:34
  image
• 20:35
  too.
• 20:35
  Amen.
• 20:38
  I'd
• 20:39
  never
• 20:39
  appreciated
• 20:40
  the
• 20:40
  way
• 20:40
  that,
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  mean
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  was
• 20:41
  making
• 20:41
  fun
• 20:42
  of
• 20:42
  the
• 20:42
  blue
• 20:42
  eyed
• 20:43
  born
• 20:43
  Jesus,
• 20:44
  but
• 20:44
  I'd
• 20:44
  never
• 20:45
  appreciated
• 20:45
  until
• 20:46
  you
• 20:46
  just
• 20:46
  said
• 20:46
  that
• 20:47
  oh,
• 20:47
  this
• 20:47
  was
• 20:47
  actually
• 20:48
  not
• 20:48
  only
• 20:49
  fitted
• 20:49
  with,
• 20:50
  but
• 20:51
  reinforced
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  whole
• 20:53
  racist
• 20:54
  perspective.
• 20:54
  Oh
• 20:55
  yeah,
• 20:55
  very
• 20:56
  much
• 20:56
  so,
• 20:57
  yeah,
• 20:58
  very
• 20:58
  important.
• 20:59
  Tragically
• 21:00
  so.
• 21:00
  Yeah,
• 21:01
  we're
• 21:01
  still
• 21:01
  paying
• 21:01
  the
• 21:02
  price
• 21:02
  for
• 21:02
  it
• 21:02
  in
• 21:02
  this
• 21:03
  country
• 21:03
  and
• 21:03
  in
• 21:03
  the
• 21:03
  world.
• 21:04
  Yeah.
• 21:05
  John,
• 21:06
  there
• 21:06
  are
• 21:06
  some
• 21:07
  really
• 21:07
  weird
• 21:08
  things
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  mentioned
• 21:09
  in
• 21:09
  the
• 21:09
  book
• 21:10
  that
• 21:10
  are
• 21:10
  like
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  Bible
• 21:12
  says
• 21:12
  this.
• 21:13
  So
• 21:16
  tell
• 21:16
  me,
• 21:16
  tell
• 21:16
  me.
• 21:17
  Oh
• 21:18
  well.
• 21:19
  Oh,
• 21:19
  I
• 21:19
  got
• 21:19
  one
• 21:19
  for
• 21:20
  you.
• 21:20
  Galatians
• 21:21
  5:12,
• 21:22
  is
• 21:22
  that
• 21:23
  right?
• 21:24
  That's
• 21:24
  where
• 21:24
  Paul
• 21:24
  said
• 21:25
  cut
• 21:25
  off.
• 21:26
  Oh
• 21:26
  yes,
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  only
• 21:27
  joke
• 21:28
  about
• 21:28
  cutting
• 21:28
  off
• 21:28
  your
• 21:28
  own
• 21:28
  dick
• 21:29
  in
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  entire
• 21:29
  Bible.
• 21:30
  Yeah.
• 21:31
  And
• 21:31
  I
• 21:31
  had
• 21:32
  King
• 21:32
  James
• 21:32
  version,
• 21:33
  I
• 21:33
  thought
• 21:33
  it
• 21:33
  was
• 21:33
  cut
• 21:33
  off
• 21:34
  from,
• 21:34
  you
• 21:34
  know,
• 21:34
  the
• 21:35
  community,
• 21:35
  whatever.
• 21:36
  But
• 21:36
  in
• 21:36
  the
• 21:36
  context
• 21:37
  many
• 21:37
  scholars
• 21:38
  says
• 21:38
  that's
• 21:39
  exactly,
• 21:39
  I
• 21:39
  looked
• 21:39
  this
• 21:40
  up.
• 21:40
  Yeah,
• 21:41
  exactly
• 21:41
  what
• 21:41
  he
• 21:41
  was
• 21:42
  saying.
• 21:42
  It
• 21:42
  really
• 21:42
  is.
• 21:43
  I
• 21:43
  mean,
• 21:43
  and
• 21:44
  again,
• 21:44
  one
• 21:44
  of
• 21:44
  the
• 21:44
  reasons
• 21:45
  why
• 21:45
  Paul
• 21:45
  was
• 21:46
  able
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  make
• 21:47
  his
• 21:47
  version
• 21:47
  of
• 21:48
  Christianity
• 21:48
  catch
• 21:48
  on,
• 21:49
  not
• 21:49
  just
• 21:50
  because
• 21:50
  all
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  apostles
• 21:51
  were
• 21:51
  getting
• 21:51
  knocked
• 21:51
  off,
• 21:51
  but
• 21:52
  because
• 21:52
  Paul
• 21:52
  sold
• 21:53
  it
• 21:53
  as,
• 21:53
  hey,
• 21:53
  it's
• 21:53
  like
• 21:54
  Judaism,
• 21:54
  but
• 21:54
  you
• 21:54
  don't
• 21:54
  have
• 21:55
  to,
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  know,
• 21:55
  cut
• 21:55
  your
• 21:55
  foreskin
• 21:56
  Off.
• 21:56
  And
• 21:57
  that
• 21:57
  was
• 21:57
  popular.
• 21:58
  So
• 21:58
  in
• 21:59
  the
• 21:59
  passage
• 21:59
  in
• 21:59
  Galatians,
• 22:00
  it's
• 22:00
  about
• 22:00
  a
• 22:01
  debate
• 22:01
  about
• 22:02
  foreskins.
• 22:03
  And
• 22:03
  Paul
• 22:03
  says,
• 22:03
  I
• 22:04
  wish
• 22:04
  they
• 22:04
  would
• 22:04
  go
• 22:04
  all
• 22:04
  the
• 22:04
  way
• 22:05
  and
• 22:05
  emasculate
• 22:05
  themselves.
• 22:07
  I'm
• 22:07
  like,
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  go,
• 22:07
  paul,
• 22:08
  that's.
• 22:08
  Wow.
• 22:09
  Most
• 22:09
  people
• 22:09
  don't
• 22:09
  know
• 22:10
  there's
• 22:10
  a
• 22:10
  joke
• 22:10
  about
• 22:10
  cutting
• 22:11
  off
• 22:11
  your
• 22:11
  own
• 22:11
  dick
• 22:11
  in
• 22:11
  the
• 22:12
  New
• 22:12
  Testament,
• 22:12
  but
• 22:12
  he
• 22:13
  put
• 22:13
  it
• 22:13
  there.
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  don't
• 22:14
  know
• 22:14
  if
• 22:14
  it
• 22:14
  was
• 22:14
  a
• 22:15
  joke,
• 22:15
  but
• 22:15
  he
• 22:15
  was
• 22:15
  highly,
• 22:16
  highly
• 22:16
  pissed
• 22:17
  off.
• 22:17
  You're
• 22:17
  right.
• 22:17
  He
• 22:17
  was
• 22:17
  a
• 22:18
  very
• 22:18
  uptight
• 22:18
  guy.
• 22:18
  You
• 22:18
  never
• 22:19
  know,
• 22:20
  right?
• 22:21
  I
• 22:21
  kind
• 22:21
  of
• 22:21
  think
• 22:21
  they
• 22:21
  should
• 22:22
  go
• 22:22
  all
• 22:22
  the
• 22:22
  way
• 22:22
  to
• 22:22
  emasculate
• 22:23
  themselves
• 22:23
  as
• 22:23
  just
• 22:23
  Paul
• 22:23
  being
• 22:24
  edgy.
• 22:25
  Well,
• 22:25
  along
• 22:26
  those
• 22:26
  lines,
• 22:26
  there
• 22:27
  are
• 22:27
  these
• 22:27
  little
• 22:27
  niceties,
• 22:28
  such
• 22:28
  as
• 22:29
  you
• 22:29
  pointing
• 22:29
  out
• 22:29
  that
• 22:30
  I
• 22:30
  could
• 22:30
  sell
• 22:31
  my
• 22:31
  daughter
• 22:31
  into
• 22:31
  slavery,
• 22:32
  but
• 22:32
  unfortunately
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  have
• 22:33
  to
• 22:33
  take
• 22:33
  her
• 22:33
  back
• 22:34
  if
• 22:34
  she
• 22:34
  doesn't
• 22:34
  really
• 22:34
  satisfy
• 22:36
  minor
• 22:36
  details
• 22:36
  like
• 22:37
  this.
• 22:37
  Like
• 22:38
  what
• 22:39
  would
• 22:39
  be
• 22:39
  a
• 22:39
  good
• 22:39
  fair
• 22:40
  price
• 22:40
  these
• 22:40
  days,
• 22:41
  I
• 22:41
  wonder.
• 22:42
  You
• 22:42
  can
• 22:42
  trade
• 22:43
  your
• 22:43
  10
• 22:43
  year
• 22:44
  old
• 22:44
  for
• 22:44
  a
• 22:44
  goat.
• 22:45
  I
• 22:45
  mean,
• 22:45
  that's
• 22:46
  in
• 22:46
  the
• 22:46
  Bible,
• 22:46
  you
• 22:46
  know.
• 22:47
  So
• 22:47
  when
• 22:47
  these
• 22:47
  folks
• 22:47
  just
• 22:48
  say
• 22:48
  it's
• 22:48
  in
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  Bible,
• 22:48
  it's
• 22:49
  in
• 22:49
  the
• 22:49
  Bible.
• 22:49
  Well,
• 22:50
  rape
• 22:50
  is
• 22:50
  in
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  Bible.
• 22:51
  If
• 22:52
  you
• 22:52
  rape
• 22:52
  a
• 22:52
  virgin,
• 22:53
  you
• 22:53
  have
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  pay
• 22:54
  a
• 22:54
  certain
• 22:54
  fee
• 22:54
  to
• 22:55
  her
• 22:55
  father
• 22:55
  and
• 22:55
  then
• 22:55
  marry
• 22:56
  her,
• 22:56
  and
• 22:56
  you're
• 22:56
  never
• 22:57
  allowed
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  divorce
• 22:57
  her,
• 22:58
  but
• 22:58
  that's
• 22:58
  okay.
• 22:58
  Rape
• 22:59
  can
• 22:59
  be
• 22:59
  a
• 22:59
  form
• 22:59
  of
• 23:00
  courtship,
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  hey,
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  lady
• 23:01
  has
• 23:02
  no
• 23:02
  say
• 23:02
  in
• 23:02
  it.
• 23:02
  Most
• 23:03
  of
• 23:03
  these
• 23:03
  people
• 23:03
  who
• 23:04
  say
• 23:04
  they
• 23:04
  believe
• 23:05
  all
• 23:05
  of
• 23:06
  the
• 23:06
  Bible
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  live
• 23:07
  all
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  Bible
• 23:07
  as
• 23:07
  literal
• 23:08
  fact
• 23:08
  have
• 23:08
  not
• 23:09
  read
• 23:09
  all
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  the
• 23:09
  Bible
• 23:10
  and
• 23:10
  they're
• 23:10
  counting
• 23:10
  on
• 23:10
  the
• 23:11
  rest
• 23:11
  of
• 23:11
  us
• 23:11
  not
• 23:11
  having
• 23:11
  read
• 23:12
  it
• 23:12
  either.
• 23:12
  And
• 23:13
  that's
• 23:13
  how
• 23:13
  they're
• 23:13
  insulated.
• 23:14
  That's
• 23:14
  how
• 23:14
  they
• 23:14
  protect
• 23:15
  themselves.
• 23:15
  They
• 23:15
  use
• 23:15
  this
• 23:16
  book
• 23:16
  as
• 23:16
  camouflage.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  wrote
• 23:18
  this
• 23:18
  book
• 23:18
  to
• 23:18
  be
• 23:18
  camouflage
• 23:19
  removal
• 23:20
  because
• 23:20
  they
• 23:20
  don't
• 23:20
  believe
• 23:21
  in
• 23:21
  all
• 23:21
  of
• 23:21
  it.
• 23:21
  You
• 23:21
  know,
• 23:22
  they'll
• 23:22
  believe
• 23:22
  a
• 23:22
  talking
• 23:23
  snake
• 23:23
  is
• 23:23
  literal
• 23:24
  fact.
• 23:25
  But
• 23:25
  love
• 23:25
  your
• 23:25
  enemies
• 23:26
  was
• 23:26
  just
• 23:26
  Jesus
• 23:26
  being
• 23:27
  all
• 23:27
  metaphorical.
• 23:28
  Are
• 23:28
  you
• 23:28
  talking
• 23:29
  about
• 23:29
  talking
• 23:29
  snake?
• 23:30
  What
• 23:30
  is
• 23:30
  that
• 23:30
  reference
• 23:31
  to?
• 23:31
  I
• 23:31
  missed
• 23:31
  that
• 23:32
  one
• 23:32
  book
• 23:32
  of
• 23:32
  Genesis.
• 23:34
  Okay.
• 23:35
  You
• 23:35
  know,
• 23:36
  they'll
• 23:36
  believe
• 23:36
  that
• 23:36
  that's
• 23:37
  in
• 23:37
  the
• 23:37
  garden.
• 23:37
  All
• 23:38
  right.
• 23:38
  Yeah.
• 23:38
  Adam
• 23:38
  and
• 23:39
  Eve
• 23:39
  in
• 23:39
  the
• 23:39
  garden.
• 23:39
  That's
• 23:40
  literal
• 23:40
  fact.
• 23:40
  Right?
• 23:40
  Talking
• 23:41
  snake,
• 23:41
  that
• 23:41
  really
• 23:41
  happened.
• 23:42
  Right.
• 23:42
  But
• 23:42
  give
• 23:43
  away
• 23:43
  all
• 23:43
  your
• 23:43
  possessions
• 23:44
  to
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  poor.
• 23:44
  Come
• 23:44
  on,
• 23:45
  Jesus,
• 23:45
  you
• 23:45
  don't
• 23:45
  really
• 23:45
  mean
• 23:46
  that.
• 23:46
  And
• 23:46
  you
• 23:47
  know,
• 23:47
  when
• 23:47
  I
• 23:47
  was
• 23:47
  a
• 23:47
  kid,
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  was
• 23:48
  like,
• 23:49
  what
• 23:49
  does
• 23:49
  a
• 23:49
  literal
• 23:50
  belief
• 23:50
  in
• 23:50
  a
• 23:50
  talking
• 23:51
  snake
• 23:52
  have
• 23:53
  to
• 23:53
  do
• 23:53
  with
• 23:53
  the
• 23:53
  stuff
• 23:53
  Jesus
• 23:54
  talked
• 23:54
  about?
• 23:55
  Nothing.
• 23:55
  But
• 23:56
  it's
• 23:56
  all
• 23:56
  about
• 23:56
  control.
• 23:57
  And
• 23:57
  if
• 23:57
  they
• 23:58
  can
• 23:58
  get
• 23:58
  you
• 23:58
  to
• 23:58
  believe
• 23:59
  Genesis
• 23:59
  is
• 23:59
  literal
• 24:00
  fact,
• 24:00
  they
• 24:01
  can
• 24:01
  get
• 24:01
  you
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  believe
• 24:02
  that
• 24:02
  women
• 24:02
  are
• 24:02
  cursed
• 24:03
  and
• 24:04
  that
• 24:04
  because
• 24:04
  Eve
• 24:04
  got
• 24:05
  suckered
• 24:05
  by
• 24:05
  a
• 24:05
  snake,
• 24:06
  women
• 24:06
  to
• 24:06
  this
• 24:07
  day
• 24:07
  suffer
• 24:07
  monthly
• 24:08
  menstruation,
• 24:09
  painful
• 24:09
  childbirth,
• 24:10
  and
• 24:10
  crappy
• 24:11
  wages
• 24:11
  for
• 24:11
  doing
• 24:11
  the
• 24:11
  same
• 24:12
  work
• 24:12
  as
• 24:12
  a
• 24:12
  man.
• 24:12
  A
• 24:13
  lot
• 24:13
  of
• 24:13
  these
• 24:13
  weak
• 24:14
  men
• 24:14
  need
• 24:15
  young
• 24:15
  girls
• 24:15
  to
• 24:16
  be
• 24:16
  taught
• 24:16
  Genesis
• 24:17
  is
• 24:17
  literal
• 24:17
  fact
• 24:18
  so
• 24:18
  they
• 24:18
  can
• 24:18
  learn
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  proper
• 24:19
  roles
• 24:20
  of
• 24:20
  biblical
• 24:20
  womanhood.
• 24:21
  And
• 24:21
  that's
• 24:21
  why
• 24:22
  they're
• 24:22
  anti
• 24:22
  Jesus,
• 24:22
  who
• 24:23
  is
• 24:23
  the
• 24:23
  biggest
• 24:23
  feminist
• 24:24
  in
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  Bible.
• 24:24
  And
• 24:24
  that's
• 24:25
  why
• 24:25
  they
• 24:25
  need
• 24:25
  to
• 24:25
  be
• 24:26
  called
• 24:26
  out
• 24:27
  vociferously.
• 24:29
  God
• 24:29
  gave
• 24:29
  you
• 24:29
  that
• 24:29
  voice
• 24:30
  and
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  do
• 24:31
  it
• 24:31
  so
• 24:31
  eloquently
• 24:31
  and
• 24:32
  so
• 24:32
  well
• 24:32
  informed.
• 24:33
  You're
• 24:33
  very
• 24:34
  kind.
• 24:34
  Honestly,
• 24:34
  it
• 24:35
  was
• 24:35
  many
• 24:35
  years
• 24:35
  of
• 24:35
  writing
• 24:36
  this
• 24:36
  and
• 24:36
  crafting
• 24:36
  this,
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  there's
• 24:38
  like.
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  mean,
• 24:38
  some
• 24:38
  of
• 24:39
  this
• 24:39
  is
• 24:39
  like
• 24:39
  commentaries
• 24:40
  I've
• 24:40
  done
• 24:40
  on
• 24:40
  TV
• 24:40
  shows.
• 24:41
  Some
• 24:41
  of
• 24:41
  this
• 24:41
  is
• 24:41
  standup
• 24:42
  comedy
• 24:42
  routines
• 24:43
  I've
• 24:43
  done
• 24:43
  that
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  repurposed.
• 24:44
  There's.
• 24:44
  It's
• 24:45
  a
• 24:45
  big
• 24:45
  mishmash
• 24:46
  that
• 24:46
  I
• 24:46
  put
• 24:46
  together
• 24:46
  for
• 24:47
  many,
• 24:47
  many
• 24:47
  years.
• 24:47
  But.
• 24:48
  But
• 24:48
  it's
• 24:48
  all
• 24:48
  about
• 24:49
  how
• 24:49
  the
• 24:50
  loudest,
• 24:50
  most
• 24:51
  obnoxious
• 24:51
  Christians,
• 24:53
  they're
• 24:53
  not
• 24:53
  actually
• 24:53
  following
• 24:54
  Christ.
• 24:55
  And
• 24:55
  so,
• 24:56
  you
• 24:56
  know,
• 24:56
  if
• 24:56
  someone's
• 24:57
  going
• 24:57
  to
• 24:57
  say,
• 24:58
  I'm
• 24:58
  going
• 24:58
  to
• 24:59
  ban
• 24:59
  abortion,
• 25:01
  I'm
• 25:01
  going
• 25:01
  to
• 25:02
  force
• 25:02
  women
• 25:02
  to
• 25:03
  be
• 25:03
  pregnant
• 25:03
  against
• 25:04
  their
• 25:04
  will.
• 25:05
  I'm
• 25:05
  going
• 25:05
  to
• 25:05
  have
• 25:05
  men
• 25:06
  tell
• 25:06
  teenage
• 25:07
  rape
• 25:07
  victims
• 25:07
  that
• 25:08
  they've
• 25:08
  got
• 25:08
  to
• 25:08
  remain
• 25:08
  pregnant
• 25:09
  by
• 25:09
  their
• 25:09
  stepdad.
• 25:10
  If
• 25:11
  you're
• 25:11
  going
• 25:11
  to
• 25:11
  do
• 25:12
  this
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  criminalize
• 25:13
  abortion,
• 25:13
  which
• 25:14
  Jesus
• 25:14
  never
• 25:14
  mentions
• 25:15
  because
• 25:16
  you're
• 25:16
  so
• 25:16
  Christian,
• 25:17
  but
• 25:18
  you
• 25:18
  still
• 25:18
  support
• 25:18
  the
• 25:19
  death
• 25:19
  penalty
• 25:19
  in
• 25:20
  murdering
• 25:20
  prisoners,
• 25:21
  which
• 25:21
  Jesus
• 25:22
  actually
• 25:22
  opposed,
• 25:23
  then
• 25:23
  I
• 25:24
  don't
• 25:24
  think
• 25:24
  the
• 25:24
  rest
• 25:24
  of
• 25:24
  us
• 25:24
  are
• 25:25
  obliged
• 25:25
  to
• 25:25
  take
• 25:25
  their
• 25:26
  claims
• 25:26
  of
• 25:26
  Christianity
• 25:27
  seriously
• 25:27
  anymore.
• 25:28
  They
• 25:28
  have
• 25:28
  set
• 25:28
  the
• 25:29
  narrative
• 25:29
  for
• 25:30
  1700
• 25:30
  years,
• 25:31
  and
• 25:32
  I'm
• 25:32
  sick
• 25:32
  of
• 25:32
  it.
• 25:33
  And
• 25:33
  I
• 25:33
  think
• 25:33
  a
• 25:33
  lot
• 25:33
  of
• 25:34
  believers
• 25:34
  and
• 25:34
  non
• 25:34
  believers
• 25:35
  are
• 25:35
  sick
• 25:35
  of
• 25:35
  it
• 25:35
  too.
• 25:35
  There's
• 25:36
  plenty
• 25:36
  of
• 25:36
  nice
• 25:37
  people
• 25:37
  out
• 25:37
  there
• 25:37
  who
• 25:38
  actually
• 25:38
  follow
• 25:39
  Jesus.
• 25:39
  And
• 25:40
  I
• 25:40
  don't
• 25:40
  mind
• 25:40
  the
• 25:41
  Christ
• 25:41
  followers,
• 25:41
  you
• 25:42
  know,
• 25:42
  I
• 25:42
  trust
• 25:42
  those
• 25:42
  who
• 25:43
  seek
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  truth.
• 25:43
  It's
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  ones
• 25:44
  who
• 25:44
  claim
• 25:44
  they
• 25:44
  have
• 25:45
  it
• 25:45
  that
• 25:46
  we've
• 25:46
  learned
• 25:46
  we
• 25:46
  can't
• 25:46
  really
• 25:47
  trust
• 25:47
  that.
• 25:47
  Well,
• 25:48
  yeah,
• 25:49
  that's
• 25:49
  a
• 25:49
  good
• 25:49
  point.
• 25:49
  I've
• 25:50
  come
• 25:50
  up
• 25:50
  with
• 25:50
  a
• 25:51
  saying,
• 25:51
  trust
• 25:52
  those
• 25:52
  who
• 25:52
  have
• 25:52
  questions.
• 25:53
  Be
• 25:53
  wary
• 25:53
  of
• 25:54
  those
• 25:54
  who
• 25:54
  have
• 25:54
  answers.
• 25:55
  Leave
• 25:56
  from
• 25:56
  to
• 25:56
  have
• 25:56
  the
• 25:56
  answer.
• 25:57
  Nice.
• 25:58
  Brilliant.
• 25:59
  And
• 25:59
  I
• 26:00
  think
• 26:00
  you.
• 26:00
  Yeah.
• 26:01
  And
• 26:01
  you
• 26:01
  point
• 26:01
  out.
• 26:01
  I'm
• 26:02
  curious.
• 26:02
  There's
• 26:03
  so
• 26:03
  much
• 26:03
  you
• 26:04
  point
• 26:04
  out
• 26:04
  in
• 26:04
  your
• 26:04
  book
• 26:05
  that's
• 26:05
  in
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  Bible.
• 26:06
  That's
• 26:06
  when
• 26:07
  you
• 26:07
  see
• 26:07
  it,
• 26:07
  it's
• 26:07
  like,
• 26:09
  really?
• 26:10
  This
• 26:10
  is
• 26:10
  really
• 26:11
  weird
• 26:11
  for
• 26:12
  you.
• 26:12
  What
• 26:12
  are
• 26:13
  the
• 26:13
  kind
• 26:14
  of
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  top
• 26:15
  two
• 26:15
  or
• 26:15
  three
• 26:16
  weirdnesses
• 26:16
  that
• 26:17
  stand
• 26:18
  out
• 26:18
  for
• 26:18
  you?
• 26:20
  Well,
• 26:20
  I
• 26:20
  mean,
• 26:20
  some
• 26:21
  of
• 26:21
  it's
• 26:21
  just
• 26:21
  goofy,
• 26:22
  you
• 26:22
  know,
• 26:22
  being
• 26:23
  that
• 26:23
  I
• 26:23
  could
• 26:23
  pick
• 26:24
  one.
• 26:24
  What
• 26:24
  stands
• 26:25
  out
• 26:25
  for
• 26:25
  you,
• 26:25
  John?
• 26:26
  Love
• 26:26
  your
• 26:26
  enemies.
• 26:27
  That's
• 26:28
  pretty.
• 26:28
  Oh
• 26:29
  yeah,
• 26:31
  I
• 26:31
  mean
• 26:31
  it's
• 26:32
  pretty
• 26:32
  radical,
• 26:33
  right?
• 26:33
  Like
• 26:33
  Holy
• 26:34
  revelation.
• 26:35
  Jesus
• 26:35
  is
• 26:36
  so
• 26:36
  liberal,
• 26:37
  but
• 26:37
  in
• 26:37
  some
• 26:37
  ways
• 26:37
  he's
• 26:38
  quite
• 26:38
  conservative
• 26:39
  too.
• 26:39
  I
• 26:39
  mean,
• 26:39
  the
• 26:39
  Sermon
• 26:40
  on
• 26:40
  the
• 26:40
  Mount
• 26:40
  you
• 26:40
  could
• 26:40
  argue
• 26:40
  is
• 26:41
  Jesus
• 26:41
  being
• 26:41
  more
• 26:41
  conservative?
• 26:42
  Well,
• 26:43
  you
• 26:43
  know,
• 26:43
  it
• 26:43
  says
• 26:43
  you
• 26:43
  can't
• 26:44
  hate
• 26:44
  your
• 26:44
  enemy.
• 26:44
  Well,
• 26:44
  Jesus
• 26:45
  says
• 26:45
  you
• 26:45
  gotta
• 26:45
  love
• 26:45
  your
• 26:46
  enemy.
• 26:46
  You
• 26:47
  know,
• 26:47
  the
• 26:47
  scriptures
• 26:47
  say,
• 26:47
  oh,
• 26:48
  you,
• 26:48
  you
• 26:48
  can't
• 26:48
  cheat
• 26:49
  on
• 26:49
  your
• 26:49
  wife.
• 26:49
  Jesus
• 26:50
  like,
• 26:50
  no,
• 26:50
  if
• 26:50
  you
• 26:50
  ogle
• 26:51
  a
• 26:51
  woman,
• 26:51
  you've
• 26:51
  committed
• 26:52
  adultery
• 26:52
  already.
• 26:52
  You
• 26:53
  know,
• 26:53
  that's
• 26:53
  about
• 26:53
  sex
• 26:54
  harassment.
• 26:54
  When
• 26:54
  he
• 26:54
  goes
• 26:54
  look
• 26:55
  on
• 26:55
  a
• 26:55
  woman
• 26:55
  with
• 26:55
  lustful
• 26:55
  looks,
• 26:56
  I
• 26:56
  mean,
• 26:56
  you
• 26:57
  know,
• 26:57
  Jesus,
• 26:57
  the
• 26:58
  scriptures
• 26:58
  say,
• 26:58
  oh,
• 26:59
  you
• 26:59
  can't
• 26:59
  hate
• 26:59
  an
• 26:59
  enemy.
• 27:00
  Jesus
• 27:00
  like,
• 27:00
  you
• 27:00
  can't
• 27:01
  be
• 27:01
  angry
• 27:02
  with
• 27:02
  your
• 27:02
  brother.
• 27:03
  And
• 27:04
  in
• 27:04
  so
• 27:05
  many
• 27:05
  ways
• 27:05
  he's
• 27:05
  actually
• 27:06
  being
• 27:06
  more
• 27:06
  liberal
• 27:07
  and
• 27:07
  more
• 27:07
  conservative
• 27:07
  at
• 27:08
  the
• 27:08
  same
• 27:08
  time.
• 27:08
  But
• 27:09
  love
• 27:09
  your
• 27:09
  enemies.
• 27:10
  That's
• 27:10
  deeply
• 27:11
  revolutionary.
• 27:11
  And
• 27:12
  that's
• 27:12
  something
• 27:12
  that
• 27:12
  people
• 27:13
  on
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  left
• 27:13
  and
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  right
• 27:14
  like
• 27:14
  to
• 27:14
  overlook
• 27:15
  in
• 27:15
  their
• 27:15
  own
• 27:16
  spiritual
• 27:16
  purity
• 27:17
  tests.
• 27:17
  But
• 27:17
  I
• 27:18
  mean
• 27:18
  there's
• 27:19
  so
• 27:19
  much
• 27:19
  in
• 27:19
  the
• 27:19
  Bible
• 27:20
  that's
• 27:20
  just,
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  mean,
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  have
• 27:21
  a
• 27:21
  lot
• 27:21
  in
• 27:22
  here
• 27:22
  about
• 27:22
  the
• 27:22
  sex
• 27:22
  hang
• 27:23
  ups
• 27:23
  and
• 27:23
  a
• 27:23
  lot
• 27:23
  of
• 27:23
  that's
• 27:23
  very
• 27:23
  funny.
• 27:24
  And
• 27:24
  there's
• 27:25
  stories
• 27:25
  are
• 27:25
  just
• 27:25
  horrific,
• 27:26
  like
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  Levites
• 27:27
  concubine
• 27:27
  and
• 27:28
  that
• 27:28
  are
• 27:28
  totally
• 27:29
  unpleasant.
• 27:29
  And
• 27:29
  you
• 27:30
  know,
• 27:30
  I
• 27:30
  have
• 27:30
  a
• 27:30
  really
• 27:30
  good
• 27:31
  time
• 27:31
  with
• 27:31
  this
• 27:31
  story
• 27:31
  from
• 27:32
  the
• 27:32
  second
• 27:33
  book
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  Kings
• 27:34
  where
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  prophet
• 27:35
  Elijah
• 27:35
  is
• 27:36
  going
• 27:36
  up
• 27:36
  the
• 27:36
  mountain
• 27:37
  and
• 27:37
  these
• 27:37
  kids
• 27:37
  jump
• 27:37
  out
• 27:38
  and
• 27:38
  make
• 27:38
  fun
• 27:38
  of
• 27:38
  her
• 27:38
  being
• 27:38
  bald
• 27:39
  and
• 27:39
  called
• 27:39
  him
• 27:39
  bald
• 27:40
  head.
• 27:40
  Bald
• 27:40
  head.
• 27:41
  And
• 27:41
  Elisha
• 27:42
  calls
• 27:42
  a
• 27:42
  curse
• 27:43
  upon
• 27:43
  these
• 27:43
  children
• 27:43
  in
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  name
• 27:44
  of
• 27:44
  the
• 27:44
  Lord.
• 27:45
  And
• 27:45
  two
• 27:45
  bears
• 27:47
  come
• 27:47
  in
• 27:47
  from
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  forest
• 27:48
  right
• 27:48
  away
• 27:49
  and
• 27:49
  Maul
• 27:49
  42
• 27:50
  of
• 27:50
  the
• 27:50
  children.
• 27:52
  I
• 27:52
  read
• 27:53
  this
• 27:53
  when
• 27:53
  I
• 27:53
  was
• 27:53
  9
• 27:53
  years
• 27:54
  old
• 27:54
  and
• 27:54
  I'm
• 27:54
  like,
• 27:54
  what
• 27:54
  the
• 27:55
  hell?
• 27:55
  And
• 27:56
  I
• 27:56
  spent
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  whole
• 27:56
  summer
• 27:57
  when
• 27:57
  I
• 27:57
  was
• 27:57
  nine
• 27:57
  trying
• 27:58
  to
• 27:58
  figure
• 27:58
  out
• 27:58
  the
• 27:58
  physics
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  how
• 27:59
  could
• 28:00
  two
• 28:00
  bears
• 28:00
  maul
• 28:01
  42
• 28:01
  kids?
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  mean,
• 28:02
  wouldn't
• 28:02
  the
• 28:02
  kids
• 28:03
  run
• 28:03
  in
• 28:03
  every
• 28:03
  direction?
• 28:03
  Like,
• 28:04
  are
• 28:04
  they,
• 28:04
  do
• 28:04
  they,
• 28:04
  are
• 28:05
  they
• 28:05
  superpowered
• 28:05
  bears?
• 28:06
  Are
• 28:06
  they
• 28:06
  really
• 28:06
  fast?
• 28:06
  Like,
• 28:07
  did
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  kids
• 28:07
  trample
• 28:08
  each
• 28:08
  other?
• 28:08
  And
• 28:08
  that's
• 28:08
  like,
• 28:09
  I
• 28:09
  took
• 28:09
  it
• 28:09
  so
• 28:10
  literally
• 28:10
  as
• 28:10
  a
• 28:10
  child,
• 28:11
  it
• 28:11
  never
• 28:11
  occurred
• 28:12
  to
• 28:12
  me
• 28:12
  this
• 28:12
  might
• 28:12
  be
• 28:12
  a
• 28:12
  cautionary
• 28:13
  tale
• 28:13
  about
• 28:14
  respecting
• 28:14
  God's
• 28:15
  chosen
• 28:15
  messengers.
• 28:16
  I
• 28:16
  just
• 28:17
  thought,
• 28:17
  are
• 28:17
  they
• 28:17
  in
• 28:17
  a
• 28:17
  deep
• 28:18
  pit?
• 28:18
  How
• 28:18
  the
• 28:18
  hell
• 28:19
  did
• 28:19
  2
• 28:19
  bears
• 28:20
  maul
• 28:20
  42
• 28:20
  kids?
• 28:21
  There's
• 28:21
  no
• 28:21
  adults
• 28:22
  with
• 28:22
  swords
• 28:22
  around.
• 28:23
  How
• 28:23
  does
• 28:23
  this
• 28:23
  work?
• 28:24
  And
• 28:24
  I
• 28:24
  spent
• 28:24
  years
• 28:25
  as
• 28:25
  a
• 28:25
  kid
• 28:26
  trying
• 28:27
  to
• 28:27
  make
• 28:28
  this
• 28:28
  story
• 28:29
  make
• 28:29
  logical
• 28:30
  sense.
• 28:31
  Look,
• 28:31
  there's
• 28:31
  a
• 28:31
  lot
• 28:32
  of
• 28:32
  truth
• 28:32
  in
• 28:32
  the
• 28:32
  Bible.
• 28:33
  There's
• 28:34
  not
• 28:34
  necessarily
• 28:34
  a
• 28:35
  lot
• 28:35
  of
• 28:35
  facts.
• 28:36
  And
• 28:36
  I
• 28:36
  don't
• 28:36
  believe
• 28:37
  all
• 28:37
  of
• 28:37
  these
• 28:37
  stories
• 28:37
  were
• 28:38
  meant
• 28:38
  for
• 28:38
  us
• 28:38
  to
• 28:38
  take
• 28:39
  literally.
• 28:39
  Jesus
• 28:40
  spoke
• 28:40
  in
• 28:40
  parable
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  metaphor.
• 28:42
  So
• 28:42
  why
• 28:42
  is
• 28:42
  it
• 28:42
  so
• 28:42
  hard
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  read
• 28:43
  parts
• 28:44
  of
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  Bible
• 28:44
  as
• 28:44
  parable
• 28:45
  and
• 28:45
  metaphor?
• 28:46
  You
• 28:46
  know,
• 28:46
  a
• 28:46
  couple
• 28:47
  years
• 28:47
  ago,
• 28:47
  I
• 28:47
  finally
• 28:48
  saw
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  movie
• 28:48
  Cocaine
• 28:49
  Bear,
• 28:49
  and
• 28:49
  I
• 28:49
  said
• 28:49
  to
• 28:49
  my
• 28:49
  wife,
• 28:50
  you
• 28:50
  think
• 28:51
  two
• 28:51
  cocaine
• 28:51
  bears
• 28:51
  could
• 28:52
  get
• 28:52
  so
• 28:52
  high
• 28:52
  they
• 28:52
  could
• 28:52
  maul
• 28:53
  42
• 28:53
  kids?
• 28:54
  And
• 28:54
  my
• 28:54
  wife
• 28:55
  just
• 28:55
  moved
• 28:55
  away
• 28:55
  from
• 28:56
  me
• 28:56
  on
• 28:56
  the
• 28:56
  couch
• 28:56
  and
• 28:56
  didn't
• 28:56
  talk
• 28:57
  to
• 28:57
  me
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  rest
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  night.
• 28:58
  So,
• 28:58
  I
• 28:58
  mean,
• 28:59
  this
• 28:59
  stuff
• 29:00
  will
• 29:00
  make
• 29:00
  you
• 29:00
  crazy
• 29:00
  if
• 29:01
  you
• 29:01
  don't
• 29:01
  know
• 29:01
  how
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  smile
• 29:02
  at
• 29:02
  it.
• 29:02
  And
• 29:02
  there's
• 29:03
  so
• 29:03
  many
• 29:04
  twisted
• 29:04
  teachings
• 29:05
  in
• 29:05
  the
• 29:05
  Bible,
• 29:05
  and
• 29:05
  I
• 29:05
  go
• 29:05
  into
• 29:06
  a
• 29:06
  lot
• 29:06
  of
• 29:06
  them
• 29:06
  in
• 29:06
  this
• 29:06
  book
• 29:07
  and.
• 29:07
  And
• 29:08
  some
• 29:08
  of
• 29:08
  them
• 29:08
  are
• 29:08
  really
• 29:08
  valuable
• 29:09
  because
• 29:09
  if
• 29:10
  these
• 29:10
  people
• 29:10
  are
• 29:10
  going
• 29:10
  to
• 29:10
  claim
• 29:11
  they
• 29:11
  believe
• 29:11
  in
• 29:11
  this
• 29:11
  to
• 29:12
  persecute
• 29:12
  someone,
• 29:13
  well,
• 29:13
  the
• 29:13
  same
• 29:14
  chapter
• 29:14
  says
• 29:14
  this.
• 29:14
  You
• 29:15
  believe
• 29:15
  that
• 29:15
  as
• 29:15
  well.
• 29:16
  Yeah.
• 29:17
  And
• 29:17
  one
• 29:17
  of
• 29:17
  the
• 29:17
  things
• 29:17
  you
• 29:17
  give
• 29:18
  us
• 29:18
  permission
• 29:18
  to
• 29:19
  do,
• 29:19
  like
• 29:19
  the
• 29:19
  inspiration
• 29:20
  and
• 29:20
  the
• 29:21
  truth
• 29:21
  that
• 29:21
  comes
• 29:21
  through
• 29:21
  this
• 29:21
  book
• 29:22
  is
• 29:23
  the
• 29:23
  realization
• 29:23
  you
• 29:24
  don't
• 29:24
  have
• 29:24
  to
• 29:24
  eat
• 29:24
  the
• 29:25
  whole
• 29:25
  enchilada.
• 29:26
  Yeah.
• 29:26
  You
• 29:27
  know,
• 29:27
  these
• 29:27
  bad
• 29:28
  stuff.
• 29:29
  Now,
• 29:29
  there's
• 29:30
  interesting
• 29:30
  stories,
• 29:30
  historical
• 29:31
  context
• 29:32
  maybe,
• 29:32
  but
• 29:33
  you
• 29:33
  don't
• 29:33
  have
• 29:33
  every
• 29:33
  time
• 29:34
  Paul
• 29:34
  says
• 29:34
  something
• 29:34
  nasty
• 29:35
  or
• 29:35
  when
• 29:35
  there's
• 29:35
  cruelties
• 29:36
  in
• 29:36
  the
• 29:36
  Old
• 29:36
  Testament
• 29:37
  and
• 29:37
  there's
• 29:37
  stuff
• 29:37
  from
• 29:38
  Bronze
• 29:38
  Age
• 29:38
  tribe
• 29:39
  that.
• 29:39
  It
• 29:39
  just
• 29:39
  sound
• 29:39
  ridiculous.
• 29:40
  Right?
• 29:41
  Yeah.
• 29:41
  That's
• 29:42
  not
• 29:42
  holy
• 29:42
  scripture,
• 29:43
  correct
• 29:44
  this
• 29:44
  stuff.
• 29:44
  But
• 29:45
  there
• 29:45
  is
• 29:45
  some
• 29:45
  stuff
• 29:46
  there.
• 29:46
  And
• 29:46
  what
• 29:46
  you've
• 29:46
  emphasized
• 29:47
  the
• 29:47
  most
• 29:48
  important
• 29:48
  things.
• 29:49
  And
• 29:49
  that's
• 29:50
  where
• 29:50
  the
• 29:50
  redemption
• 29:51
  of
• 29:51
  this
• 29:51
  whole
• 29:51
  thing
• 29:51
  goes.
• 29:52
  And
• 29:52
  your
• 29:52
  mother,
• 29:52
  I
• 29:53
  think
• 29:53
  the
• 29:53
  nun
• 29:54
  working
• 29:54
  with
• 29:54
  lepers
• 29:55
  in
• 29:56
  Africa.
• 29:56
  Now
• 29:57
  there
• 29:57
  was
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  Christian
• 29:57
  move.
• 29:58
  Yeah,
• 29:58
  I
• 29:58
  don't
• 29:58
  claim
• 29:58
  to
• 29:59
  be
• 29:59
  a
• 29:59
  good
• 29:59
  Christian.
• 29:59
  I
• 29:59
  should
• 30:00
  point
• 30:00
  that
• 30:00
  out.
• 30:00
  I
• 30:01
  don't
• 30:01
  either
• 30:01
  to
• 30:02
  your
• 30:02
  audience.
• 30:02
  I
• 30:02
  never
• 30:02
  claimed
• 30:03
  to
• 30:03
  be
• 30:03
  a
• 30:03
  good
• 30:03
  Christian.
• 30:04
  When
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  was
• 30:04
  young,
• 30:04
  I
• 30:04
  used
• 30:05
  to
• 30:05
  brag
• 30:05
  about
• 30:05
  what
• 30:05
  a
• 30:05
  good
• 30:06
  Christian
• 30:06
  I
• 30:06
  was.
• 30:07
  And
• 30:07
  nowadays
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  tell
• 30:08
  people
• 30:08
  I
• 30:09
  aspire
• 30:09
  to
• 30:09
  be
• 30:10
  a
• 30:10
  good
• 30:10
  Christian.
• 30:11
  But
• 30:11
  my
• 30:11
  parents
• 30:12
  were.
• 30:12
  And
• 30:13
  my
• 30:13
  mother
• 30:14
  devoted
• 30:14
  her
• 30:14
  life
• 30:15
  as
• 30:15
  a
• 30:15
  nurse
• 30:15
  to
• 30:16
  helping
• 30:16
  the
• 30:16
  less
• 30:16
  fortunate,
• 30:17
  and
• 30:17
  my
• 30:17
  father
• 30:17
  as
• 30:17
  an
• 30:18
  educator.
• 30:18
  They
• 30:19
  both
• 30:19
  went
• 30:19
  past
• 30:20
  the
• 30:20
  margins
• 30:20
  and
• 30:20
  worked
• 30:21
  with
• 30:21
  poor
• 30:21
  people.
• 30:22
  And
• 30:22
  I
• 30:22
  grew
• 30:23
  up
• 30:23
  around
• 30:23
  all
• 30:23
  kinds
• 30:24
  of
• 30:24
  clergy
• 30:24
  people
• 30:25
  and
• 30:25
  my
• 30:25
  parents,
• 30:26
  former
• 30:26
  friends
• 30:26
  who
• 30:26
  had
• 30:27
  been
• 30:27
  in
• 30:27
  the
• 30:27
  clergy
• 30:27
  with
• 30:27
  them.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:28
  my
• 30:29
  mom
• 30:29
  was
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  head
• 30:29
  nurse
• 30:30
  at
• 30:30
  a
• 30:30
  convent
• 30:30
  for
• 30:30
  her
• 30:31
  former
• 30:31
  order.
• 30:31
  So
• 30:31
  there
• 30:31
  were
• 30:32
  always
• 30:32
  nuns
• 30:32
  from
• 30:33
  around
• 30:33
  the
• 30:33
  world
• 30:33
  in
• 30:33
  my
• 30:33
  house
• 30:34
  growing
• 30:34
  up.
• 30:35
  And,
• 30:35
  you
• 30:35
  know,
• 30:36
  it
• 30:36
  all
• 30:36
  seemed
• 30:36
  very
• 30:37
  normal
• 30:37
  that
• 30:38
  Christianity
• 30:38
  was
• 30:38
  about
• 30:39
  love
• 30:39
  and
• 30:39
  it
• 30:39
  was
• 30:39
  about
• 30:39
  Going
• 30:40
  to
• 30:40
  help
• 30:40
  people
• 30:40
  that
• 30:40
  don't
• 30:41
  look
• 30:41
  like
• 30:41
  you
• 30:42
  and
• 30:42
  being
• 30:42
  kind
• 30:42
  and
• 30:43
  loving
• 30:43
  the
• 30:43
  people
• 30:43
  who
• 30:43
  don't
• 30:44
  look
• 30:44
  like
• 30:44
  you.
• 30:44
  My
• 30:45
  father
• 30:45
  was
• 30:45
  anti
• 30:45
  racist
• 30:46
  before
• 30:46
  I
• 30:46
  knew
• 30:47
  what
• 30:47
  that
• 30:47
  term
• 30:47
  was.
• 30:48
  And
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  closed
• 30:49
  the
• 30:49
  book.
• 30:49
  My
• 30:49
  first
• 30:50
  draft
• 30:50
  of
• 30:50
  this
• 30:50
  had
• 30:50
  a
• 30:51
  lot
• 30:51
  more
• 30:51
  stories
• 30:51
  about
• 30:51
  my
• 30:52
  life
• 30:52
  and
• 30:52
  a
• 30:53
  lot
• 30:53
  more
• 30:53
  Donald
• 30:53
  Trump.
• 30:53
  And
• 30:54
  I
• 30:54
  had
• 30:54
  to
• 30:54
  cut
• 30:54
  a
• 30:54
  lot
• 30:54
  of
• 30:54
  me
• 30:54
  and
• 30:55
  Donald
• 30:55
  Trump
• 30:55
  out
• 30:55
  to
• 30:55
  get
• 30:55
  it
• 30:55
  down
• 30:56
  to
• 30:56
  80,000
• 30:56
  words.
• 30:57
  But
• 30:57
  I
• 30:57
  do
• 30:57
  close
• 30:58
  a
• 30:58
  chapter
• 30:58
  on
• 30:58
  white
• 30:59
  supremacy
• 30:59
  in
• 30:59
  this
• 31:00
  book
• 31:00
  with
• 31:00
  the
• 31:00
  story
• 31:00
  of
• 31:00
  my
• 31:01
  grandfather,
• 31:02
  who
• 31:02
  I
• 31:02
  loved
• 31:02
  dearly
• 31:03
  and
• 31:04
  was
• 31:04
  prejudiced
• 31:05
  against
• 31:05
  every
• 31:05
  group
• 31:05
  it's
• 31:06
  possible
• 31:06
  to
• 31:06
  be
• 31:06
  prejudiced
• 31:07
  against.
• 31:07
  And
• 31:08
  my
• 31:08
  father
• 31:08
  was
• 31:08
  so
• 31:09
  anti
• 31:09
  racist,
• 31:10
  and
• 31:10
  it
• 31:10
  was
• 31:10
  so
• 31:11
  confusing
• 31:11
  for
• 31:11
  me
• 31:11
  as
• 31:11
  a
• 31:12
  kid.
• 31:12
  Like,
• 31:13
  so
• 31:13
  many
• 31:13
  of
• 31:13
  us
• 31:13
  have
• 31:13
  had
• 31:14
  this
• 31:14
  feeling
• 31:14
  like,
• 31:14
  well,
• 31:15
  this
• 31:15
  person's
• 31:15
  my
• 31:16
  family
• 31:16
  member
• 31:16
  and
• 31:16
  they're
• 31:17
  Christian,
• 31:18
  but
• 31:18
  they're
• 31:18
  a
• 31:18
  horrible
• 31:19
  bigot.
• 31:20
  But
• 31:20
  I
• 31:20
  love
• 31:21
  them.
• 31:22
  And
• 31:22
  that
• 31:22
  can
• 31:22
  be
• 31:23
  really
• 31:23
  hard
• 31:23
  to
• 31:24
  make
• 31:24
  sense
• 31:24
  of
• 31:24
  as
• 31:25
  you're
• 31:25
  growing
• 31:25
  up.
• 31:25
  And
• 31:26
  so
• 31:26
  I
• 31:26
  did
• 31:26
  include
• 31:26
  a
• 31:27
  story
• 31:27
  about
• 31:27
  that
• 31:27
  on
• 31:27
  a
• 31:28
  personal
• 31:28
  level
• 31:28
  and
• 31:28
  about
• 31:28
  how
• 31:29
  on
• 31:29
  my
• 31:29
  grandfather's
• 31:30
  last
• 31:30
  day
• 31:30
  of
• 31:31
  his
• 31:31
  life,
• 31:31
  he
• 31:31
  was
• 31:31
  able
• 31:31
  to
• 31:32
  overcome
• 31:32
  bigotry,
• 31:33
  because
• 31:33
  I
• 31:33
  do
• 31:33
  believe
• 31:33
  that
• 31:34
  can
• 31:34
  always
• 31:34
  happen.
• 31:35
  It's
• 31:35
  very
• 31:35
  beautiful.
• 31:36
  The
• 31:36
  Filipino
• 31:37
  priest.
• 31:37
  Yeah.
• 31:38
  You
• 31:38
  really
• 31:38
  read
• 31:38
  it?
• 31:38
  Yeah.
• 31:39
  My
• 31:39
  grandfather's
• 31:40
  dying
• 31:40
  in
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  hospital
• 31:41
  and
• 31:41
  we're
• 31:41
  all
• 31:41
  there.
• 31:41
  And
• 31:42
  my
• 31:42
  dad
• 31:43
  called
• 31:43
  a
• 31:43
  parish
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  get
• 31:44
  a
• 31:44
  priest
• 31:44
  over
• 31:44
  to
• 31:44
  give
• 31:44
  the
• 31:44
  last
• 31:45
  rites
• 31:45
  and
• 31:46
  they
• 31:46
  sent
• 31:46
  the
• 31:46
  Filipino
• 31:47
  priest.
• 31:47
  The
• 31:47
  look
• 31:47
  on
• 31:48
  my
• 31:48
  parents
• 31:48
  faces
• 31:48
  a
• 31:49
  gentleman.
• 31:49
  Oh,
• 31:49
  I
• 31:50
  was
• 31:50
  14
• 31:50
  and
• 31:51
  sobbing.
• 31:51
  And
• 31:52
  my
• 31:52
  parents
• 31:52
  were
• 31:53
  so
• 31:53
  afraid.
• 31:54
  They
• 31:54
  were
• 31:54
  so
• 31:55
  afraid
• 31:55
  that
• 31:56
  his
• 31:56
  racism
• 31:56
  would
• 31:57
  come
• 31:57
  out
• 31:57
  and
• 31:58
  that
• 31:58
  it
• 31:58
  would
• 31:58
  be
• 31:58
  an
• 31:58
  ugly
• 31:59
  scene.
• 31:59
  And
• 31:59
  they
• 31:59
  made
• 31:59
  me
• 32:00
  wait
• 32:00
  in
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  hallway
• 32:01
  because
• 32:01
  they
• 32:01
  didn't
• 32:02
  want
• 32:02
  my
• 32:02
  last
• 32:02
  memory
• 32:03
  of
• 32:03
  my
• 32:03
  granddad
• 32:03
  to
• 32:03
  be
• 32:04
  him
• 32:05
  being
• 32:05
  a
• 32:05
  racist
• 32:06
  who
• 32:06
  turned
• 32:06
  away
• 32:07
  the
• 32:07
  very
• 32:07
  love
• 32:07
  that
• 32:08
  came
• 32:08
  to
• 32:08
  help
• 32:08
  him.
• 32:08
  But
• 32:09
  by
• 32:09
  the
• 32:09
  end,
• 32:10
  he
• 32:10
  was
• 32:10
  past
• 32:10
  that.
• 32:11
  And
• 32:11
  it
• 32:12
  was
• 32:12
  amazing.
• 32:12
  Like,
• 32:13
  I
• 32:13
  knew
• 32:13
  he
• 32:13
  was
• 32:14
  racist
• 32:14
  and
• 32:14
  I
• 32:14
  knew
• 32:14
  my
• 32:15
  dad
• 32:15
  wasn't.
• 32:15
  And
• 32:15
  it
• 32:15
  was
• 32:15
  a
• 32:16
  weird
• 32:16
  dynamic.
• 32:17
  And
• 32:17
  to
• 32:18
  have
• 32:18
  my
• 32:18
  grandfather
• 32:19
  holding
• 32:19
  hands
• 32:20
  with
• 32:20
  a
• 32:20
  non
• 32:20
  white
• 32:21
  priest
• 32:21
  right
• 32:22
  on
• 32:22
  the
• 32:22
  last
• 32:22
  day
• 32:23
  of
• 32:23
  his
• 32:23
  life.
• 32:24
  It
• 32:25
  was
• 32:25
  both
• 32:25
  one
• 32:26
  of
• 32:26
  the
• 32:26
  saddest
• 32:26
  days
• 32:27
  of
• 32:27
  my
• 32:27
  dad's
• 32:27
  life
• 32:27
  and
• 32:28
  one
• 32:28
  of
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  happiest
• 32:28
  days
• 32:29
  of
• 32:29
  his
• 32:29
  life
• 32:29
  at
• 32:29
  the
• 32:29
  same
• 32:29
  time.
• 32:31
  So,
• 32:31
  I
• 32:31
  mean,
• 32:31
  I
• 32:32
  wrote
• 32:32
  this
• 32:32
  book
• 32:32
  for
• 32:32
  everybody
• 32:33
  who
• 32:33
  struggled
• 32:33
  with
• 32:33
  that
• 32:34
  disconnect.
• 32:35
  I
• 32:35
  was
• 32:35
  raised
• 32:36
  to
• 32:36
  think
• 32:36
  it's
• 32:36
  about
• 32:36
  love,
• 32:37
  and
• 32:37
  now
• 32:37
  it
• 32:37
  seems
• 32:37
  like
• 32:38
  it's
• 32:38
  about
• 32:38
  this.
• 32:38
  How
• 32:38
  does
• 32:38
  it
• 32:39
  make
• 32:39
  sense?
• 32:40
  Yeah,
• 32:41
  that's
• 32:41
  a
• 32:41
  beautiful.
• 32:42
  It's
• 32:42
  a
• 32:42
  beautiful,
• 32:42
  loving
• 32:43
  contribution,
• 32:43
  John.
• 32:44
  You
• 32:44
  really
• 32:44
  have
• 32:45
  given
• 32:45
  us
• 32:45
  a
• 32:45
  gift.
• 32:46
  As
• 32:46
  we
• 32:46
  come
• 32:47
  towards
• 32:47
  the
• 32:47
  end,
• 32:47
  is
• 32:48
  there
• 32:48
  Anything
• 32:48
  you'd
• 32:48
  like
• 32:49
  to
• 32:49
  add?
• 32:50
  Well,
• 32:50
  I
• 32:51
  just
• 32:51
  want
• 32:51
  to
• 32:51
  say
• 32:51
  what
• 32:52
  a
• 32:52
  pleasure
• 32:52
  it
• 32:52
  is
• 32:52
  to
• 32:52
  be
• 32:53
  on
• 32:53
  your
• 32:53
  show.
• 32:53
  I
• 32:54
  mean,
• 32:54
  I
• 32:54
  was
• 32:54
  impressed
• 32:55
  that
• 32:55
  you'd
• 32:55
  want
• 32:55
  to
• 32:56
  go
• 32:56
  deep
• 32:57
  and
• 32:57
  talk
• 32:57
  tabernacles.
• 32:58
  And
• 32:58
  I'm
• 32:58
  grateful
• 32:58
  we
• 32:59
  got
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  talk
• 32:59
  a
• 32:59
  bit
• 32:59
  about
• 33:00
  human
• 33:00
  psychology
• 33:01
  here,
• 33:01
  because
• 33:01
  I
• 33:02
  do
• 33:02
  think
• 33:02
  it's
• 33:02
  all
• 33:02
  really
• 33:02
  wrapped
• 33:03
  together.
• 33:03
  And,
• 33:04
  you
• 33:04
  know,
• 33:04
  I
• 33:04
  don't
• 33:04
  think
• 33:05
  we
• 33:05
  can
• 33:05
  hate
• 33:05
  these
• 33:05
  people.
• 33:05
  We
• 33:06
  can
• 33:06
  hate
• 33:06
  them.
• 33:06
  We
• 33:07
  just
• 33:07
  can't
• 33:07
  hate
• 33:07
  them
• 33:07
  back.
• 33:08
  But
• 33:09
  we
• 33:09
  have
• 33:09
  to
• 33:09
  beat
• 33:09
  them
• 33:10
  without
• 33:10
  hating
• 33:11
  them,
• 33:11
  and
• 33:11
  that's
• 33:11
  the
• 33:12
  challenge.
• 33:12
  And.
• 33:13
  And
• 33:13
  that's
• 33:14
  deeply
• 33:14
  Christian,
• 33:15
  by
• 33:15
  the
• 33:15
  way.
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  hope
• 33:16
  so.
• 33:16
  I
• 33:17
  mean,
• 33:17
  in
• 33:17
  democracy.
• 33:17
  In
• 33:18
  a
• 33:18
  democracy,
• 33:18
  we
• 33:19
  have
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  beat
• 33:19
  them,
• 33:19
  you
• 33:19
  know,
• 33:20
  and
• 33:20
  like
• 33:21
  I
• 33:21
  said,
• 33:21
  you
• 33:21
  don't
• 33:21
  need
• 33:21
  to
• 33:21
  believe
• 33:22
  in
• 33:22
  Jesus
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  be
• 33:24
  able
• 33:24
  to
• 33:25
  cite
• 33:25
  him
• 33:26
  against
• 33:26
  these
• 33:26
  fake
• 33:27
  Christians.
• 33:28
  And
• 33:29
  Jesus
• 33:30
  doesn't
• 33:30
  need
• 33:30
  to
• 33:30
  be
• 33:30
  real
• 33:31
  to
• 33:31
  help
• 33:31
  us
• 33:31
  become
• 33:32
  better
• 33:32
  people.
• 33:32
  And,
• 33:33
  John,
• 33:33
  you're
• 33:33
  just
• 33:33
  basically
• 33:34
  saying,
• 33:35
  go
• 33:35
  for
• 33:36
  it.
• 33:36
  Really
• 33:36
  stand
• 33:37
  for
• 33:37
  do
• 33:38
  what
• 33:38
  has
• 33:38
  to
• 33:39
  be
• 33:39
  done,
• 33:39
  but
• 33:40
  do
• 33:40
  it
• 33:40
  with
• 33:40
  love.
• 33:41
  And
• 33:41
  it
• 33:41
  feels
• 33:41
  like,
• 33:42
  gosh,
• 33:42
  that's
• 33:42
  a
• 33:42
  cross
• 33:43
  traditional
• 33:43
  message.
• 33:44
  I'm
• 33:45
  thinking
• 33:45
  my
• 33:45
  own
• 33:45
  meditation
• 33:46
  teacher,
• 33:46
  Sharon
• 33:47
  Salzberger,
• 33:47
  this
• 33:48
  little
• 33:48
  woman
• 33:48
  who
• 33:48
  was
• 33:49
  in
• 33:49
  Calcutta
• 33:50
  on
• 33:50
  the
• 33:50
  way
• 33:50
  to
• 33:50
  see
• 33:51
  her
• 33:51
  teacher
• 33:52
  one
• 33:52
  evening,
• 33:52
  and
• 33:53
  out
• 33:53
  of
• 33:53
  the
• 33:53
  shadows,
• 33:54
  some
• 33:54
  big
• 33:55
  guy
• 33:55
  and
• 33:55
  tried
• 33:55
  to
• 33:56
  haul
• 33:56
  her
• 33:56
  off
• 33:56
  the
• 33:56
  rickshaw.
• 33:57
  And
• 33:57
  fortunately,
• 33:58
  the
• 33:58
  rickshaw
• 33:58
  driver
• 33:59
  and
• 33:59
  her
• 33:59
  were
• 33:59
  able
• 33:59
  to
• 33:59
  push
• 34:00
  him
• 34:00
  aside
• 34:00
  and
• 34:00
  get
• 34:00
  off.
• 34:01
  And
• 34:01
  she
• 34:01
  went
• 34:02
  and
• 34:02
  told
• 34:02
  the
• 34:02
  teacher
• 34:03
  afterwards
• 34:03
  because
• 34:04
  he
• 34:04
  teacher
• 34:04
  was
• 34:05
  very
• 34:05
  much
• 34:05
  into
• 34:06
  love
• 34:06
  and
• 34:07
  compassion
• 34:07
  for
• 34:07
  everyone
• 34:08
  and
• 34:09
  asked,
• 34:09
  well,
• 34:09
  how
• 34:10
  should
• 34:10
  we
• 34:10
  have
• 34:10
  done
• 34:10
  it?
• 34:11
  And
• 34:11
  he
• 34:11
  said,
• 34:11
  oh,
• 34:12
  Sharon,
• 34:12
  you
• 34:13
  should
• 34:13
  have
• 34:13
  taken
• 34:14
  your
• 34:14
  umbrella
• 34:14
  and
• 34:15
  with
• 34:15
  all
• 34:15
  the
• 34:15
  love
• 34:15
  in
• 34:16
  your
• 34:16
  heart,
• 34:16
  hit
• 34:16
  him
• 34:17
  as
• 34:17
  hard
• 34:17
  as
• 34:17
  you
• 34:17
  can.
• 34:19
  That's
• 34:19
  awesome.
• 34:20
  Yeah.
• 34:20
  Beautiful.
• 34:21
  And
• 34:21
  I
• 34:21
  think
• 34:22
  that's
• 34:22
  in
• 34:22
  your
• 34:22
  own
• 34:22
  words,
• 34:23
  in
• 34:23
  your
• 34:23
  own
• 34:23
  tradition,
• 34:24
  what
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  gift
• 34:25
  you're
• 34:25
  giving
• 34:25
  us,
• 34:25
  John,
• 34:26
  to
• 34:26
  really
• 34:27
  hold
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  deepest
• 34:28
  values
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  most,
• 34:30
  love,
• 34:31
  and
• 34:32
  do
• 34:32
  what
• 34:32
  needs
• 34:32
  to
• 34:32
  be
• 34:33
  done,
• 34:33
  but
• 34:33
  do
• 34:33
  it
• 34:33
  from
• 34:34
  love.
• 34:34
  Yeah.
• 34:35
  And
• 34:35
  I
• 34:35
  want
• 34:35
  to
• 34:35
  put
• 34:35
  a
• 34:36
  piece
• 34:36
  in
• 34:36
  here
• 34:36
  that
• 34:36
  we
• 34:37
  didn't
• 34:37
  get
• 34:37
  around
• 34:37
  to,
• 34:38
  but
• 34:38
  please,
• 34:38
  abortion.
• 34:39
  Okay.
• 34:40
  Oh,
• 34:40
  yes.
• 34:41
  Okay.
• 34:41
  I
• 34:41
  think
• 34:42
  that
• 34:42
  really,
• 34:43
  by
• 34:43
  the
• 34:43
  way,
• 34:43
  this
• 34:43
  has
• 34:44
  been
• 34:44
  such
• 34:44
  a
• 34:44
  good
• 34:44
  interview.
• 34:44
  That's
• 34:45
  usually
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  first
• 34:45
  topic
• 34:46
  we
• 34:46
  get
• 34:46
  to.
• 34:46
  Let's
• 34:47
  do
• 34:47
  it.
• 34:47
  I
• 34:47
  believe
• 34:48
  there's
• 34:48
  devout
• 34:49
  people
• 34:49
  that
• 34:49
  really
• 34:50
  don't
• 34:50
  think
• 34:50
  abortion
• 34:51
  is
• 34:51
  a
• 34:51
  good
• 34:51
  thing.
• 34:51
  For
• 34:51
  truly
• 34:52
  spiritual,
• 34:52
  compassionate
• 34:53
  reasons.
• 34:53
  Sure.
• 34:54
  However,
• 34:55
  if
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  force
• 34:56
  women
• 34:56
  to
• 34:56
  have
• 34:57
  babies,
• 34:57
  you're
• 34:57
  taking
• 34:57
  on
• 34:58
  a
• 34:58
  responsibility
• 34:59
  to
• 34:59
  bring
• 34:59
  these
• 34:59
  kids
• 34:59
  up.
• 35:00
  Yeah.
• 35:00
  And
• 35:01
  if
• 35:01
  you
• 35:01
  just
• 35:01
  love
• 35:02
  the
• 35:02
  fetus
• 35:03
  and
• 35:03
  you
• 35:03
  don't
• 35:03
  love
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  child
• 35:05
  and
• 35:05
  his
• 35:05
  mother,
• 35:06
  it's
• 35:07
  just
• 35:07
  religious
• 35:07
  bigotry.
• 35:08
  It's
• 35:08
  just
• 35:09
  bullshit.
• 35:09
  Absolutely.
• 35:10
  I
• 35:10
  can't
• 35:11
  disagree.
• 35:11
  Look,
• 35:11
  it's
• 35:11
  very
• 35:12
  simple
• 35:12
  for
• 35:12
  me.
• 35:12
  The
• 35:13
  reality
• 35:13
  is
• 35:14
  that
• 35:14
  pregnancy
• 35:15
  is
• 35:15
  more
• 35:16
  dangerous
• 35:16
  than
• 35:16
  abortion
• 35:17
  to
• 35:17
  a
• 35:17
  woman's
• 35:17
  health,
• 35:18
  and
• 35:18
  childbirth
• 35:19
  is
• 35:19
  more
• 35:20
  dangerous
• 35:20
  than
• 35:20
  abortion
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  a
• 35:21
  woman's
• 35:22
  health.
• 35:22
  So
• 35:22
  I
• 35:22
  as
• 35:23
  a
• 35:23
  man
• 35:23
  do
• 35:23
  not
• 35:24
  have
• 35:24
  the
• 35:24
  right
• 35:24
  to
• 35:25
  force
• 35:25
  a
• 35:25
  citizen
• 35:26
  to
• 35:26
  make
• 35:27
  a
• 35:27
  decision
• 35:27
  that
• 35:28
  is
• 35:28
  more
• 35:28
  dangerous
• 35:29
  for
• 35:29
  their
• 35:29
  health.
• 35:30
  I
• 35:30
  don't
• 35:30
  have
• 35:30
  the
• 35:31
  right
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  make
• 35:31
  someone
• 35:31
  else
• 35:32
  choose
• 35:32
  something
• 35:32
  that's
• 35:32
  more
• 35:33
  risky
• 35:33
  for
• 35:33
  them.
• 35:34
  And
• 35:34
  anyone
• 35:34
  who
• 35:34
  wants
• 35:35
  to
• 35:35
  oppose
• 35:36
  ending
• 35:36
  pregnancies
• 35:37
  based
• 35:37
  on
• 35:37
  civil
• 35:38
  rights
• 35:38
  issues
• 35:38
  or
• 35:39
  humanitarian
• 35:39
  concerns.
• 35:40
  Right
• 35:40
  on.
• 35:40
  I
• 35:41
  get
• 35:41
  it.
• 35:41
  I
• 35:41
  respect
• 35:41
  the
• 35:41
  argument.
• 35:42
  When
• 35:43
  you
• 35:43
  start
• 35:44
  claiming
• 35:44
  the
• 35:44
  Bible
• 35:46
  is
• 35:46
  your
• 35:46
  tool
• 35:47
  to
• 35:47
  force
• 35:48
  rape
• 35:48
  victims
• 35:49
  to
• 35:49
  be
• 35:49
  pregnant
• 35:49
  against
• 35:49
  their
• 35:50
  will,
• 35:50
  when
• 35:50
  you
• 35:50
  start
• 35:51
  saying
• 35:51
  that
• 35:52
  American
• 35:52
  citizens
• 35:53
  should
• 35:53
  be
• 35:53
  forced
• 35:53
  by
• 35:53
  government
• 35:54
  to
• 35:55
  be
• 35:55
  pregnant
• 35:55
  whether
• 35:56
  they
• 35:56
  want
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  be
• 35:56
  or
• 35:56
  not,
• 35:57
  and
• 35:57
  you
• 35:57
  use
• 35:57
  Jesus,
• 35:58
  well,
• 35:58
  then
• 35:58
  I'm
• 35:58
  going
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  call
• 35:59
  you
• 35:59
  out.
• 35:59
  Because
• 35:59
  the
• 36:00
  Bible's
• 36:00
  not
• 36:00
  against
• 36:00
  abortion.
• 36:01
  It's
• 36:01
  never
• 36:02
  mentioned
• 36:02
  in
• 36:02
  the
• 36:02
  book.
• 36:03
  Abortions
• 36:03
  existed
• 36:04
  during
• 36:04
  this
• 36:05
  time.
• 36:05
  At
• 36:06
  one
• 36:06
  point
• 36:06
  in
• 36:06
  Jeremiah's
• 36:07
  lament,
• 36:07
  Jeremiah
• 36:08
  wishes
• 36:08
  he
• 36:08
  wasn't
• 36:08
  murdered
• 36:09
  in
• 36:09
  the
• 36:09
  womb
• 36:09
  when
• 36:09
  he's
• 36:09
  going
• 36:10
  through
• 36:10
  a
• 36:10
  tough
• 36:10
  time.
• 36:10
  We
• 36:11
  know
• 36:11
  abortions
• 36:11
  existed
• 36:12
  in
• 36:12
  Egypt.
• 36:12
  We
• 36:12
  know
• 36:13
  from
• 36:13
  Greece.
• 36:13
  We
• 36:13
  know
• 36:14
  from
• 36:14
  historical
• 36:14
  records
• 36:15
  that
• 36:15
  you
• 36:15
  could
• 36:15
  end
• 36:15
  a
• 36:15
  pregnancy.
• 36:16
  And
• 36:16
  the
• 36:16
  reality
• 36:17
  is
• 36:18
  the
• 36:18
  Bible
• 36:18
  never
• 36:18
  bans
• 36:19
  it.
• 36:19
  Judaism
• 36:20
  never
• 36:20
  bans
• 36:20
  it.
• 36:21
  In
• 36:21
  Exodus
• 36:22
  21,
• 36:23
  God
• 36:23
  asserts
• 36:23
  a
• 36:23
  fetus
• 36:24
  is
• 36:24
  property
• 36:25
  and
• 36:25
  that
• 36:25
  a
• 36:25
  woman's
• 36:26
  life
• 36:26
  has
• 36:26
  more
• 36:26
  value
• 36:27
  in
• 36:27
  his
• 36:27
  eye.
• 36:28
  In
• 36:28
  Numbers,
• 36:28
  chapter
• 36:29
  5,
• 36:29
  God
• 36:29
  gives
• 36:29
  abortion
• 36:30
  tips
• 36:31
  for
• 36:31
  unfaithful
• 36:32
  pregnant
• 36:32
  wives.
• 36:32
  It's
• 36:33
  pretty
• 36:33
  gruesome.
• 36:34
  Passover,
• 36:34
  I
• 36:34
  think,
• 36:35
  is
• 36:35
  proof
• 36:35
  that
• 36:35
  God
• 36:35
  doesn't
• 36:36
  prioritize
• 36:36
  the
• 36:37
  innocent
• 36:37
  lives
• 36:37
  of
• 36:37
  children.
• 36:38
  And
• 36:39
  Jesus
• 36:40
  is
• 36:40
  against
• 36:40
  the
• 36:40
  death
• 36:40
  penalty,
• 36:41
  never
• 36:41
  mentions
• 36:41
  abortion.
• 36:42
  God
• 36:42
  never
• 36:42
  sees
• 36:43
  fit
• 36:43
  to
• 36:43
  have
• 36:43
  Moses,
• 36:44
  Paul,
• 36:44
  any
• 36:44
  of
• 36:44
  the
• 36:44
  prophets
• 36:45
  ever
• 36:45
  mention
• 36:45
  it.
• 36:46
  And
• 36:46
  that's
• 36:46
  why
• 36:47
  to
• 36:47
  this
• 36:47
  day,
• 36:48
  abortions
• 36:49
  are
• 36:49
  legal
• 36:49
  and
• 36:49
  free
• 36:50
  in
• 36:50
  Israel,
• 36:50
  which
• 36:50
  most
• 36:51
  conservatives
• 36:51
  don't
• 36:51
  know,
• 36:52
  because
• 36:52
  Christ's
• 36:53
  religion
• 36:53
  never
• 36:54
  bans
• 36:54
  them.
• 36:55
  So
• 36:55
  you
• 36:55
  want
• 36:55
  to
• 36:55
  oppose
• 36:56
  it,
• 36:56
  Great.
• 36:56
  I
• 36:57
  get
• 36:57
  it
• 36:57
  and
• 36:57
  I
• 36:57
  respect
• 36:58
  the
• 36:58
  argument.
• 36:58
  And
• 36:59
  I've
• 36:59
  known
• 36:59
  many
• 36:59
  people
• 37:00
  who
• 37:00
  are
• 37:00
  against
• 37:00
  abortion
• 37:01
  rights
• 37:01
  who
• 37:01
  make
• 37:02
  very
• 37:02
  compassionate
• 37:02
  and
• 37:02
  well
• 37:03
  thought
• 37:03
  out
• 37:03
  arguments.
• 37:04
  You're
• 37:04
  going
• 37:04
  to
• 37:04
  start
• 37:04
  using
• 37:05
  the
• 37:05
  Bible
• 37:05
  and
• 37:05
  I'm
• 37:05
  going
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  have
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  call
• 37:06
  you
• 37:06
  out.
• 37:06
  Because
• 37:07
  for
• 37:07
  45
• 37:07
  years
• 37:08
  after
• 37:08
  Ronald
• 37:09
  Reagan's
• 37:09
  election
• 37:09
  is
• 37:10
  when
• 37:10
  the
• 37:10
  moral
• 37:10
  majority
• 37:11
  and
• 37:11
  the
• 37:11
  right
• 37:11
  wing
• 37:11
  Christians
• 37:12
  realized
• 37:12
  they
• 37:12
  didn't
• 37:13
  have
• 37:13
  segregation
• 37:13
  or
• 37:13
  Nixon
• 37:14
  anymore.
• 37:14
  They
• 37:15
  had
• 37:15
  to
• 37:15
  find
• 37:15
  a
• 37:15
  new
• 37:15
  racket.
• 37:16
  And
• 37:16
  it's
• 37:17
  been
• 37:17
  abortion
• 37:17
  since
• 37:18
  1980.
• 37:19
  They've
• 37:19
  gotten
• 37:20
  the
• 37:20
  followers
• 37:20
  of
• 37:20
  Christ
• 37:21
  to
• 37:21
  vote
• 37:21
  against
• 37:22
  everything
• 37:22
  Christ
• 37:22
  talked
• 37:23
  about
• 37:23
  by
• 37:24
  talking
• 37:24
  about
• 37:24
  abortion,
• 37:25
  which
• 37:25
  Christ
• 37:25
  never
• 37:26
  talked
• 37:26
  about.
• 37:28
  It's
• 37:28
  Replaced
• 37:28
  Christianity.
• 37:29
  It's
• 37:29
  redefined
• 37:30
  it.
• 37:30
  I
• 37:30
  mean,
• 37:30
  like,
• 37:31
  it's
• 37:31
  assumed
• 37:31
  if
• 37:32
  you're
• 37:32
  Christian,
• 37:32
  you
• 37:32
  hate
• 37:32
  gay
• 37:33
  people
• 37:33
  and
• 37:33
  you
• 37:33
  want
• 37:33
  to
• 37:33
  criminalize
• 37:34
  abortion,
• 37:35
  and
• 37:35
  those
• 37:35
  two
• 37:36
  things
• 37:36
  have
• 37:36
  nothing
• 37:36
  to
• 37:36
  do
• 37:36
  with
• 37:37
  Christ's
• 37:37
  ministry.
• 37:39
  We
• 37:39
  should
• 37:39
  love
• 37:40
  children.
• 37:41
  Yeah.
• 37:42
  Love
• 37:42
  the
• 37:42
  ones
• 37:42
  who
• 37:42
  are
• 37:43
  here.
• 37:43
  They.
• 37:43
  Yeah.
• 37:44
  You're
• 37:44
  going
• 37:44
  to
• 37:44
  tell
• 37:44
  me
• 37:44
  you're
• 37:45
  pro
• 37:45
  life
• 37:45
  while
• 37:45
  cutting
• 37:45
  usaid?
• 37:46
  No,
• 37:47
  I
• 37:47
  don't
• 37:47
  believe
• 37:47
  you.
• 37:48
  You're
• 37:48
  going
• 37:48
  to
• 37:48
  tell
• 37:48
  me
• 37:48
  you're
• 37:49
  pro
• 37:49
  life
• 37:49
  while
• 37:49
  bombing
• 37:50
  people
• 37:50
  in
• 37:50
  boats
• 37:50
  off
• 37:51
  the
• 37:51
  coast
• 37:51
  of
• 37:51
  Venezuela?
• 37:52
  Sorry,
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  don't
• 37:53
  buy
• 37:53
  it.
• 37:54
  John,
• 37:54
  this
• 37:55
  has
• 37:55
  been
• 37:55
  a
• 37:55
  real
• 37:56
  deep
• 37:56
  blessing.
• 37:58
  Watching
• 37:58
  your
• 37:58
  podcast,
• 37:59
  reading
• 37:59
  your
• 37:59
  book.
• 38:00
  It's
• 38:00
  one
• 38:00
  of
• 38:01
  the
• 38:01
  most
• 38:01
  important
• 38:01
  books
• 38:01
  that's
• 38:02
  been
• 38:02
  published
• 38:02
  in
• 38:02
  a
• 38:02
  while,
• 38:03
  I
• 38:03
  think.
• 38:03
  Thank
• 38:04
  you.
• 38:04
  And
• 38:04
  we
• 38:04
  do
• 38:04
  aquatic
• 38:05
  reading
• 38:05
  here,
• 38:06
  and
• 38:06
  your
• 38:07
  heart
• 38:08
  and
• 38:08
  your
• 38:08
  scholarship
• 38:09
  and
• 38:10
  your
• 38:10
  prophetic
• 38:11
  voice
• 38:11
  is
• 38:12
  very,
• 38:13
  very
• 38:13
  impressive.
• 38:14
  Well,
• 38:14
  you're.
• 38:14
  You're
• 38:15
  very
• 38:15
  kind.
• 38:15
  I
• 38:15
  find
• 38:16
  I'm
• 38:16
  getting
• 38:16
  a
• 38:16
  much
• 38:16
  more
• 38:17
  pious
• 38:18
  caliber
• 38:18
  of
• 38:18
  death
• 38:18
  threat
• 38:19
  for
• 38:19
  this
• 38:19
  than
• 38:19
  I
• 38:19
  usually
• 38:20
  get,
• 38:20
  so
• 38:20
  thank
• 38:20
  you
• 38:20
  for
• 38:21
  that.
• 38:22
  I'm
• 38:22
  so
• 38:22
  grateful
• 38:23
  to
• 38:23
  be
• 38:23
  invited
• 38:23
  here
• 38:23
  to
• 38:23
  talk
• 38:24
  about
• 38:24
  these
• 38:24
  things.
• 38:24
  So.
• 38:25
  It
• 38:25
  means
• 38:25
  an
• 38:25
  awful
• 38:25
  lot.
• 38:25
  And
• 38:26
  I
• 38:26
  knew
• 38:26
  how
• 38:26
  heavy
• 38:27
  this
• 38:27
  was,
• 38:27
  so
• 38:27
  I
• 38:27
  tried
• 38:28
  to
• 38:28
  make
• 38:28
  it
• 38:28
  as
• 38:28
  entertaining
• 38:29
  and
• 38:29
  light
• 38:30
  feeling
• 38:30
  as
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  could.
• 38:31
  And
• 38:31
  I.
• 38:31
  I
• 38:31
  do
• 38:31
  owe
• 38:32
  some
• 38:32
  thanks
• 38:32
  to
• 38:32
  my
• 38:32
  editors
• 38:33
  for
• 38:33
  making
• 38:33
  me
• 38:34
  break
• 38:34
  up
• 38:34
  the
• 38:34
  text
• 38:34
  a
• 38:34
  lot,
• 38:35
  make
• 38:35
  it
• 38:35
  more
• 38:35
  PC,
• 38:36
  more
• 38:36
  like
• 38:36
  magazine
• 38:37
  articles
• 38:37
  and
• 38:37
  chapters
• 38:38
  with
• 38:38
  a
• 38:38
  bit
• 38:38
  here,
• 38:38
  a
• 38:38
  bit
• 38:39
  there,
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  box
• 38:39
  here,
• 38:39
  a
• 38:40
  square
• 38:40
  here,
• 38:40
  and
• 38:41
  break
• 38:41
  up
• 38:41
  the
• 38:41
  information
• 38:41
  so
• 38:42
  it
• 38:42
  wasn't
• 38:42
  so
• 38:42
  dense.
• 38:44
  It
• 38:44
  worked.
• 38:45
  Yeah,
• 38:45
  it
• 38:45
  worked.
• 38:45
  You
• 38:46
  did
• 38:46
  a
• 38:46
  great
• 38:46
  job.
• 38:46
  Oh,
• 38:47
  bless
• 38:47
  y'.
• 38:47
  All.
• 38:47
  The
• 38:47
  book,
• 38:48
  again,
• 38:48
  is
• 38:49
  Separation
• 38:49
  of
• 38:50
  Church
• 38:50
  and
• 38:50
  Hate,
• 38:51
  A
• 38:51
  Sane
• 38:52
  Person's
• 38:52
  Guide
• 38:53
  to
• 38:53
  Taking
• 38:53
  Back
• 38:53
  the
• 38:54
  Bible
• 38:54
  From
• 38:54
  Fundamentalists,
• 38:56
  Fascists,
• 38:56
  and
• 38:57
  Flock
• 38:58
  Leasing
• 38:58
  Broads.
• 38:59
  Whoa.
• 39:00
  It's
• 39:01
  beautiful.
• 39:01
  Nailed
• 39:01
  it.
• 39:02
  Thank
• 39:02
  you.
• 39:02
  Thank
• 39:03
  you.
• 39:03
  Yeah.
• 39:03
  I
• 39:03
  want
• 39:04
  to
• 39:04
  encourage
• 39:04
  everybody
• 39:04
  that's
• 39:05
  listening
• 39:05
  to
• 39:05
  get
• 39:05
  the
• 39:05
  book.
• 39:06
  It's
• 39:06
  really
• 39:07
  an
• 39:07
  important
• 39:07
  work,
• 39:08
  and
• 39:08
  you'll
• 39:08
  probably
• 39:09
  read
• 39:09
  it
• 39:09
  and
• 39:09
  want
• 39:09
  to
• 39:09
  give
• 39:09
  it
• 39:09
  away,
• 39:10
  but
• 39:10
  it's
• 39:11
  just
• 39:11
  so
• 39:11
  needful
• 39:11
  and
• 39:12
  so
• 39:12
  well
• 39:12
  done.
• 39:12
  Thank
• 39:13
  you
• 39:13
  so
• 39:13
  much.
• 39:14
  And
• 39:14
  it
• 39:14
  came
• 39:14
  right
• 39:14
  through
• 39:15
  you.
• 39:15
  It's
• 39:15
  also
• 39:16
  an
• 39:16
  audiobook
• 39:16
  as
• 39:16
  well
• 39:17
  that
• 39:17
  people
• 39:17
  can
• 39:17
  get
• 39:17
  on
• 39:18
  Audible
• 39:18
  for,
• 39:18
  I
• 39:18
  think,
• 39:19
  one
• 39:19
  credit.
• 39:19
  And
• 39:20
  I'm
• 39:20
  just
• 39:20
  so
• 39:20
  grateful
• 39:20
  to
• 39:20
  be
• 39:21
  able
• 39:21
  to
• 39:21
  come
• 39:21
  here
• 39:21
  and
• 39:21
  talk
• 39:22
  about
• 39:22
  it.
• 39:22
  Thank
• 39:22
  you.
• 39:22
  This
• 39:22
  is,
• 39:23
  in
• 39:23
  many
• 39:23
  ways,
• 39:24
  it
• 39:24
  is
• 39:24
  by
• 39:24
  far
• 39:24
  the
• 39:25
  most.
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  think
• 39:25
  it's
• 39:25
  the
• 39:25
  most
• 39:26
  mainstream
• 39:26
  thing
• 39:26
  I've
• 39:26
  ever
• 39:27
  done.
• 39:27
  I
• 39:27
  wrote
• 39:27
  a
• 39:27
  book
• 39:27
  about
• 39:27
  how
• 39:28
  Jesus
• 39:29
  wants
• 39:29
  us
• 39:29
  to
• 39:29
  be
• 39:29
  nice
• 39:29
  to
• 39:29
  each
• 39:30
  other.
• 39:30
  For
• 39:30
  all
• 39:30
  the
• 39:30
  controversy,
• 39:31
  I
• 39:31
  consider
• 39:31
  it
• 39:31
  to
• 39:32
  be
• 39:32
  very
• 39:32
  mainstream
• 39:34
  indeed.
• 39:34
  Well,
• 39:34
  may
• 39:35
  it
• 39:35
  be
• 39:35
  so.
• 39:36
  Thank
• 39:36
  you
• 39:36
  so
• 39:37
  much,
• 39:37
  Sean.
• 39:37
  Thank
• 39:38
  you,
• 39:38
  John.
• 39:38
  What
• 39:38
  an
• 39:39
  honor.
• 39:39
  Thank
• 39:39
  you,
• 39:39
  gentlemen.
• 39:40
  Peace.
• 39:42
  Thank
• 39:42
  you
• 39:42
  very
• 39:42
  much
• 39:43
  for
• 39:43
  being
• 39:43
  a
• 39:44
  part
• 39:44
  of
• 39:44
  this
• 39:44
  conversation.
• 39:45
  We
• 39:45
  hope
• 39:45
  that
• 39:46
  you
• 39:46
  were
• 39:46
  moved
• 39:46
  as
• 39:47
  we
• 39:47
  are
• 39:47
  moved
• 39:48
  being
• 39:48
  part
• 39:48
  of
• 39:48
  it
• 39:48
  ourselves.
• 39:49
  We'd
• 39:50
  also
• 39:50
  like
• 39:50
  to
• 39:50
  say
• 39:50
  that
• 39:51
  this
• 39:51
  is
• 39:51
  being
• 39:51
  funded
• 39:52
  by
• 39:52
  Roger
• 39:53
  and
• 39:53
  myself.
• 39:53
  It
• 39:53
  comes
• 39:53
  out
• 39:53
  out
• 39:54
  of
• 39:54
  our
• 39:54
  pockets.
• 39:54
  So
• 39:54
  if
• 39:54
  you
• 39:55
  would
• 39:55
  like
• 39:55
  to
• 39:55
  help
• 39:55
  us
• 39:56
  to
• 39:56
  mainly
• 39:57
  to
• 39:57
  get
• 39:57
  this
• 39:57
  podcast
• 39:58
  out
• 39:58
  to
• 39:58
  more
• 39:59
  people
• 39:59
  because
• 39:59
  the
• 39:59
  bigger
• 40:00
  audience
• 40:00
  have
• 40:00
  which
• 40:00
  is
• 40:01
  steadily
• 40:01
  growing,
• 40:01
  but
• 40:01
  the
• 40:02
  more
• 40:02
  people
• 40:02
  we
• 40:02
  can
• 40:02
  reach
• 40:03
  and
• 40:03
  the
• 40:03
  more
• 40:03
  marketing
• 40:04
  we
• 40:04
  can
• 40:04
  do,
• 40:04
  the
• 40:05
  more
• 40:05
  positive
• 40:05
  effect
• 40:06
  we
• 40:06
  can
• 40:06
  have
• 40:06
  on
• 40:06
  the
• 40:06
  world.
• 40:07
  So
• 40:07
  we've
• 40:07
  done
• 40:07
  a
• 40:08
  couple
• 40:08
  of
• 40:08
  ways,
• 40:08
  but
• 40:08
  we'd
• 40:09
  like
• 40:09
  you
• 40:09
  to
• 40:09
  buy
• 40:09
  us
• 40:10
  a
• 40:10
  cup
• 40:10
  of
• 40:10
  coffee,
• 40:10
  very
• 40:11
  simple.
• 40:11
  And
• 40:11
  I
• 40:11
  do
• 40:12
  that
• 40:12
  with
• 40:12
  podcasts
• 40:13
  that
• 40:13
  I
• 40:13
  support
• 40:14
  and
• 40:14
  I
• 40:15
  found
• 40:15
  it's
• 40:15
  very
• 40:15
  satisfying.
• 40:16
  So
• 40:16
  thank
• 40:17
  you
• 40:17
  for
• 40:17
  your
• 40:17
  help,
• 40:17
  thank
• 40:18
  you
• 40:18
  for
• 40:18
  your
• 40:18
  presence
• 40:18
  and
• 40:19
  thank
• 40:19
  you
• 40:19
  thanking
• 40:19
  for
• 40:19
  all
• 40:20
  you
• 40:20
  are
• 40:20
  and
• 40:20
  all
• 40:21
  you
• 40:21
  do.
• 40:21
  We
• 40:21
  love
• 40:21
  you.