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Book Club: This Bridge Called My Back · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: Stephane never told you a protection of I Heart Radio.
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Speaker 1: So in honor of Pride months, Uh, we're doing a
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Speaker 1: bit of a throwback with the feminist anthology This Bridge
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Speaker 1: called My Back, Writings by Radical Women of Color, first
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Speaker 1: release in nine but even though it's a bit older,
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Speaker 1: it remains one of the most cited works of feminist
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Speaker 1: writing to this day. And it includes art and a
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Speaker 1: range of contributors of color from all kinds of backgrounds
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Speaker 1: and experiences, Black women, Named American women, Chicano women, Asian
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Speaker 1: American women. So many people I read the fortieth anniversary edition,
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Speaker 1: edited by Shari Morega and Gloria and Zildua, so a
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Speaker 1: handful of the original essays were not included, um, and
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Speaker 1: a few new ones took your place, which they kind
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Speaker 1: of talked about in the front um. It opens with
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Speaker 1: the preface from our aga that reads the phenomenon of
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Speaker 1: a forty year old This Bridge Called My Back may
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Speaker 1: be best understood as a document of the living legacy
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Speaker 1: of four bears, bound not by blood, but by the
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Speaker 1: bridge of intercultural women of color consciousness, the living breadth
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Speaker 1: of which far exceeds the pages and giographies of this book. Um,
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Speaker 1: and here's another quote from the preface. This is three
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Speaker 1: black women saying no, no to impunity, no to the
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Speaker 1: murder of black and brown folks by police. This is
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Speaker 1: the birth of the Black Lives Matter movement. This is
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Speaker 1: Standing Rock saying no to the Dakota Access pipeline and
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Speaker 1: Indigenous activists blocking in Bridge Energy Line three construction in Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: This is a meat too movement, first voiced by black
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Speaker 1: activists from the Bronx Toronto Burke. This is Bertha ras Ninka,
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Speaker 1: murdered in sixteen defending her land and water rights and Honduras.
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Speaker 1: And this is how Nanni kit Trask, resounding and unequivocal. No,
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Speaker 1: we are not American. We will die has Hawaiians, we
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Speaker 1: will never be American. This is women of color feminisms
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Speaker 1: spearheading radical action on the ground. In verse every area
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Speaker 1: of anti globalization and human rights movements, including world poverty,
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Speaker 1: violence against women, and transliteration. This is intersectionality as a
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Speaker 1: living practice, which I feel like it's a really good
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Speaker 1: thesis statement to start out with. And that's sort of
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Speaker 1: So this is the revisiting of the most recent addition um.
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Speaker 1: And it is interesting seeing this work as a living
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Speaker 1: tapestry because because it was first published in the nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighties and has had a few new editions, you can
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Speaker 1: see what has changed and what hasn't. And at some
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Speaker 1: points it's sort of eerie and prophetic because we know
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Speaker 1: what happens. Um. Not that the signs weren't there at all,
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Speaker 1: it's just strange reading about them, uh and knowing what's
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Speaker 1: to come and kind of seeing those iterations. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: just a throw it back. So the fourtie edition was
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Speaker 1: copy written in twenty one, and there's been against several renditions.
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Speaker 1: So the added forwards and the added uh and is
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Speaker 1: a lot. It keeps going and keep going, and it's necessary.
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Speaker 1: But I thought it was interesting because I did want
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Speaker 1: to go back to a forward where she talks about
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Speaker 1: being tired and how that's kind of stretched again into
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Speaker 1: where we are today, especially for women of color, especially
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Speaker 1: for the Latina and Black communities and the indigenous communities,
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Speaker 1: how tiring it can be continuing still proved themselves to
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Speaker 1: white women. Um. And she writes in this that I'm
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Speaker 1: ready to go home now. I am ready very tired.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep at all at night, missing home. There's
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Speaker 1: a deep fatigue in my body this morning, and she's
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Speaker 1: talking about going to do pretty much a pitch meeting
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Speaker 1: with this um and she talks about it another meeting again,
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Speaker 1: walking into a room filled with white women, a splattering
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Speaker 1: of women of color around the room, and then it
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Speaker 1: says below, how can we this time not use our
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Speaker 1: bodies to be thrown over a river of tormented history
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Speaker 1: to bridge the gap? Barbara says, last night a bridge
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Speaker 1: gets walked over. Yes, over and over again. So that's
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Speaker 1: kind of that theme of it's necessary, but once again
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Speaker 1: having to do so. And yeah, this is really the
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Speaker 1: nating eighty forty years ago, and it makes me sad
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Speaker 1: that we have to come to this point. But that
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Speaker 1: feeling of continually having to prove yourself again and again
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Speaker 1: and again as a woman of color doesn't stop, and
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Speaker 1: hasn't stopped. And I can't imagine, as she wrote, I'm done,
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Speaker 1: Why are we here again? Why this? Why is this
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Speaker 1: still relevant? About the fact that they have already done
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Speaker 1: this work. They did this work forty years ago, and
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Speaker 1: people before them, women of color, book before, the marginalized
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Speaker 1: communities before them, have done this work already. But we're
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Speaker 1: still here again, and at least they have that this
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Speaker 1: as a piece of evidence of like, yeah, we did
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Speaker 1: it here, We're going to add more work to it
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Speaker 1: so you understand what this is. But I thought it
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Speaker 1: was really important that we preface this is a heavy book. Uh,
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Speaker 1: this is something that just shows honestly kind of wanting
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Speaker 1: to let white women, no a women of color, marginalis
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Speaker 1: women people of color are tired be trying to rally
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Speaker 1: marginalized people of color to being like we've been there,
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Speaker 1: We're there, we know, we know it's tiring, and we
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Speaker 1: feel you, we feel you, we see you. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: it's it's a lot, it's a hard read. It's definitely
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Speaker 1: a necessary it's really um. Everyone's really honest in it,
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Speaker 1: um and unflinching. It's hard to put a content warning
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Speaker 1: on it other than it is like topics like of
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Speaker 1: use in sexual Assaulter talked about um racial trauma. Definitely,
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Speaker 1: nothing has gone into two in depth, but at the
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Speaker 1: same time it's still pretty like if that makes sense,
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Speaker 1: it is it is very on top of the metaphors
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Speaker 1: and the literal um, the letters that talk about the
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Speaker 1: battles pleading with those who would call themselves allies to
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Speaker 1: truly look at this dealing with our own internalized privileged
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Speaker 1: and racism. Like, there's so much to be said with
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Speaker 1: all that said, and yes this is tiring, we get it.
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Speaker 1: But if you're a white woman and you see you
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Speaker 1: uh or a white non binary person and you identify
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Speaker 1: as such, I would encourage you to read this and
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Speaker 1: to listen, um, whether or not you think you are tired,
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Speaker 1: because I think it's very very relevant to that, because
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Speaker 1: you need to understand, oh you think you're tired. Here,
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Speaker 1: we need you to understand the intersectionality of what feminism
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Speaker 1: has been, has become, has been trying to be different,
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Speaker 1: but we have to still play the game. So I'll
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Speaker 1: put that under the trick awarding. Yeah. Yeah, And it's
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Speaker 1: very like you know, we always put these into themes,
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Speaker 1: and this one is really hard because this one is
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Speaker 1: such a good example of intersectionality that's sort of like, yes,
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Speaker 1: this is about sexism, it's also about this and also
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Speaker 1: about this, about this. Um. So yeah, it's very very
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Speaker 1: thought provoking. It does, um, a really good job of
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Speaker 1: making you feel and empathize with the authors. Uh And
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Speaker 1: a lot of times, um, we do struggle with picking
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Speaker 1: out quotes from books like this, because it's you want
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Speaker 1: to paint a good picture, um, And you're like, well,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to have too much time
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Speaker 1: to one thing and not too much time for another
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And this one was really really tough, um,
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Speaker 1: because you don't want to take things out of context, right,
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Speaker 1: and some of its poetry that we don't want to
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Speaker 1: butcher some things. We're just not the right people to
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Speaker 1: talk about the topics, um. But yeah, we also don't
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Speaker 1: want to give more weight to one issue or one
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Speaker 1: person unknowingly. Um. So that being said, uh, including quotes
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Speaker 1: from some of these pieces without the whole thing would
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Speaker 1: be in disservice. So again, yes, highly recommend reading the
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Speaker 1: whole book. Definitely, our conversation around some of these things
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Speaker 1: has evolved, but overall it's still incredibly powerful and when
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Speaker 1: worth reading. Right. Yeah, And added to that again, Luraga
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Speaker 1: does say in her newer afford about the fact like
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Speaker 1: with cancel culture, with feeling like all these things, and
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Speaker 1: we have our opinions about what cancel culture truly is.
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Speaker 1: So that's in itself. But coming back to remember this
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Speaker 1: was it written in nineteen eighty where which has not
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Speaker 1: evolved to where we are today to be more inclusive,
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Speaker 1: thank god. Um. And at this point in time, if
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Speaker 1: there's a word we say that, you're like, what did
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Speaker 1: you just say? We don't say that anymore. We get it,
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Speaker 1: but it's part of the original, uh, the writings, and
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Speaker 1: we're not going to change or or sensor that. So
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Speaker 1: if that comes to a point, please understand, this is
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Speaker 1: where we are and it's still the way they're talking,
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Speaker 1: the way they're saying. It is important that it is
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Speaker 1: said yes, yes, yes, yes, um and all of these.
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Speaker 1: As we said, this is a book that's a lot
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Speaker 1: of it got a lot of people who contributed to it.
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Speaker 1: We tried to attribute the quotes to everybody correctly, but
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Speaker 1: some of the chapters have like a quote and then
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Speaker 1: the person who wrote it. So hopefully we got it
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Speaker 1: all correct. I think we did. But right they do
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Speaker 1: do a lot of like, hey, we're going to throw
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Speaker 1: it back to the previous thing you wrote and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna quote that here to the new thing in relating
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Speaker 1: to it, and you're like, okay, okay, that's great, but
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Speaker 1: wait what I just want to make sure you're giving
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Speaker 1: credit words do you okay. So we wanted to break
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Speaker 1: this down into themes, but yes, as we said, they're
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Speaker 1: all intersectional. Um, we're going to start with abuse, and
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Speaker 1: here's a quote from Naomi Little Bear Morena. Her attacks
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Speaker 1: were more subtle, hidden within the false shelter of her home.
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Speaker 1: Instead of gangs of boys chasing her. Her brother was
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Speaker 1: the nightly intrusion instead of her young child body to
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Speaker 1: masturbate with as she closed her eyes, too numb and
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Speaker 1: scared to speak. We both have no choice but to
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Speaker 1: be survivors, though the fears are still there. Whenever I
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Speaker 1: see a crowd of men, my heart sinks to my feet.
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Speaker 1: Whenever I hear sudden noises, sudden crashing, anger, male noises,
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Speaker 1: they're very laughters, abrasive to my ears. I shrink inside,
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Speaker 1: walk close to the walls of my soul. I look
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Speaker 1: for a place to hide. I think I want to
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Speaker 1: include that one because I feel like when you and
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Speaker 1: I started, Samantha, we talked about we had that many
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Speaker 1: series on trauma, and this is when I read this,
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Speaker 1: it just rings so true to me as well that
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Speaker 1: I have those of like the laughing of and especially
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Speaker 1: and just those memories of like freezing and having to
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Speaker 1: survive a horrific experience, and that was something that unfortunately
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Speaker 1: did pop up throughout this this book of women having
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Speaker 1: similar experiences, right, and it does. I'd like that it
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Speaker 1: began with talk about how hard tax were more subtle
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Speaker 1: and hidden, because that's kind of that context of the
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Speaker 1: big bad wolf versus the reality, and this is more
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Speaker 1: common than we know, and when we have it, it
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Speaker 1: kind of diminishes what they go through. But you kind
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Speaker 1: of leaving that experience, even if you haven't had that
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Speaker 1: specific experience, you know that fear. Typically women, all women,
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Speaker 1: all of those in the marginal community, have somewhat of
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Speaker 1: that fear. UM know it. And then you have to
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Speaker 1: take that bigger context of understanding that when we call it,
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Speaker 1: when we hide it away as it is, this was hidden,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't disserve us, to the to the victims and survivors.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't really think that this level of understanding
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Speaker 1: and a wording was really appropriate um for her experience
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Speaker 1: and for many of our experiences. Uh. Another one is
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Speaker 1: written by Suya Yamada, and she writes last year, for
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Speaker 1: Asian segment of the Ethnic American Literature course I was teaching,
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Speaker 1: I selected a new anthology entitled I E compiled by
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Speaker 1: a group of outspoken Asian American writers. During the discussion
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Speaker 1: of the long but thought provoking introduction to this anthology,
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Speaker 1: one of my students blurted out that she was offended
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Speaker 1: by its militant tone and that as a white person,
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Speaker 1: she was tired of always being blamed for the depression
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Speaker 1: of all the minorities. I noticed several of her classmates
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Speaker 1: eyes nodding in tacit agreement. A discussion of the militant
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Speaker 1: voices and some of the other writings we had in
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Speaker 1: the course ensued. Surely, I pointed out, some of these
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Speaker 1: other writers have been just asked if not more militant
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Speaker 1: as the words in this introduction, had they been offended
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Speaker 1: by those also, but failed to express their feelings about them.
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Speaker 1: To my surprise, they said they were not offended by
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Speaker 1: any of the Black American, Chicano or American Indian writings,
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Speaker 1: but we're hard pressed to explain why. When I asked
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Speaker 1: for an explanation, A little further discussion revealed that they
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Speaker 1: understood the anger expressed by the Black Americans and Chicanos,
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Speaker 1: and they empathized with the frustrations in sorrow expressed by
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Speaker 1: the American Indian, but the Asian Americans. Then finally one
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Speaker 1: student said it for all of them. It made me angry.
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Speaker 1: Their anger made me angry because I didn't even know
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Speaker 1: the Asian Americans felt oppressed. I didn't expect their anger.
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Speaker 1: Um and yeah, this was so right on again thinking
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Speaker 1: back on the nineteen eighty the understanding of the model
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Speaker 1: minority was prevalent. This is exactly what this is. And
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Speaker 1: when we were talking about the Asian hate that has
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Speaker 1: grown even more prevalent as of the past five years,
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Speaker 1: three years. It's always been there, but it's just been underlined.
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Speaker 1: And this idea that an Asian person was seen as okay, see,
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Speaker 1: if you act like them, then you are welcome, which
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Speaker 1: is this whole other ring and uh internal fight that
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Speaker 1: happens within any marginalized communities when especially when it comes
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Speaker 1: to race and ethnicity. And again this is also why
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Speaker 1: I had such a problem with Andrew Yang's take on
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Speaker 1: why Asian Americans should show uh that level of gratefulness
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Speaker 1: to be in America. But this is exactly it, and
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Speaker 1: she writes all through it talking about being a Japanese
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Speaker 1: American woman, UM, trying to understand within her own culture,
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Speaker 1: her parents being like behave behave proved your worth being
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Speaker 1: here um. And because she had unknowingly played that role,
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Speaker 1: it even fed into her job and she talks about
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Speaker 1: her job as the college um. And I thought back
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Speaker 1: on that myself, about growing up in mostly white communities
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Speaker 1: desperately seeking to be that model minority slash be being invisible.
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Speaker 1: I've talked about that before. Whether's trauma, what whether it
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Speaker 1: really is race based because I grew up in a
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Speaker 1: white town and being seen as a token and thought
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Speaker 1: of as oh, cute, look at her. Uh, she's an
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Speaker 1: Asian girl. She's different, but she's okay. And being told
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Speaker 1: even someone referenced me as white not too long ago,
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Speaker 1: and being mothered into well, you're not black, so you're
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Speaker 1: white kind of conversation. I was like, but but what
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Speaker 1: And these are very known, like they are well read
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Speaker 1: what would be considered woke or where uh people saying
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Speaker 1: that to me, And it's just it's very much of like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is that same conversation of being invisible and being
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Speaker 1: invisible therefore being accepted because you're not shape rocking the boat.
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm only emphasizing and building
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Speaker 1: back up this supremacy, white supremacies in their power. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was lot. It's a lot talk. And she does
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Speaker 1: a great job because she has several um pieces in
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Speaker 1: here are talking about breaking that down. Yeah, yeah, she
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Speaker 1: does a great job. I'm talking about the like the
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Speaker 1: violence of invisibility and the destruction of invisibility. And this
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Speaker 1: is sort of included at the top because there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of talk about hatred and racism and sexism and homophobia,
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Speaker 1: um and building up walls and burning up bridges throughout
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Speaker 1: um and how it is violence even if maybe we
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Speaker 1: don't classify that traditionally in our brain, but like this
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Speaker 1: invisibility being violence. Um So it's yeah, very powerful and
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Speaker 1: very frustrating, frustrating read so, yeah we also did. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about more of the themes around racism, colonialism,
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Speaker 1: and class. And here is a quote from Barbara Cameron.
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Speaker 1: A theory in the flesh means one where the physical
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Speaker 1: realities of our lives are skin color, the land are concrete.
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Speaker 1: We grew up on our sexual belongings off used to
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Speaker 1: create a politic borne out of necessity. Here we attempt
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Speaker 1: to bridge the contradictions in our experience. We are the
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Speaker 1: colored in a white feminist movement. We are the feminist
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Speaker 1: among the people of our culture. We are often the
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Speaker 1: lesbians among the straight. We do this bridging by naming
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Speaker 1: ourselves and by telling our stories in our own words.
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Speaker 1: The theme echoing throughout most of these stories is our
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Speaker 1: refusal of the easy explanation to the conditions we live in.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, uh Again. It's just so like reading this
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Speaker 1: and having it from the eighties and seeing where we
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Speaker 1: are over time. Um, and having all these really really thoughtful,
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Speaker 1: pointed and experienced takes on intersectional feminism that have been happening,
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Speaker 1: and having the importance of telling these stories and being
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Speaker 1: controlling the narrative. Uh is also something that we see throughout.
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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of really honest takes on colorism
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Speaker 1: from people who could be white passing even though they
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Speaker 1: aren't white, and how they have to kind of grapple
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Speaker 1: with that, very very honest, and then a lot of
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Speaker 1: discussion around shame around race and around customs and around
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Speaker 1: culture and having to unlearn all of that. There's also
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Speaker 1: any One in Here, a letter written by Audrey Lord
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Speaker 1: to a fellow author h called an open letter to
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Speaker 1: Mary Dally. So essentially, she was given a book by
17:46
Speaker 1: Mary Daly talking about mythology, and there's is she at
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Speaker 1: first things is mainly centered around European and white women. Great, great,
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Speaker 1: just you know it happens that that is. But then
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Speaker 1: there comes up a chapter where it talks about uh
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Speaker 1: African women and genital mutilation. She asked, So the question
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Speaker 1: arises in my mind, Mary, do you ever really read
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Speaker 1: the work of black women? Did you ever read my words?
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Speaker 1: Or did you merely finger through them for quotations which
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Speaker 1: you thought might valuably support an already conceived idea concerning
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Speaker 1: some old and distorted connection between us. This is not
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Speaker 1: a rhetorical question to me. This feels like another instance
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Speaker 1: of the knowledge, chronology, and work of a woman of
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Speaker 1: color being ghetto eyes by a white woman, dealing only
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Speaker 1: out of a patriarchal Western European frame of reference. But
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Speaker 1: I thought it was such a color because she comes
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Speaker 1: back again, comes back to did you really read any
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Speaker 1: work from black women? Or are you using this as
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Speaker 1: a weapon against black women? And I really want to
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Speaker 1: know the reaction. I'm gonna have to research this later
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Speaker 1: because we don't have that because it was powerful, and
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Speaker 1: I think we have done this, especially in the wake
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Speaker 1: of Black Lives Matter, And I say we are meaning
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Speaker 1: any non black person to use words, whether it's hopefully
19:03
Speaker 1: like trying to be helpful and or whatnot that fits
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Speaker 1: our narrative thinking this is going to do better and
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Speaker 1: not truly understanding, crediting and and really empathizing with what
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Speaker 1: is being written. And I thought it was so important
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Speaker 1: because she put she was set right there, She's not hesitant,
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Speaker 1: and she talks about the fact that how this is
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Speaker 1: such a violation to her not only as a colleague,
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Speaker 1: but just as a woman of color, but just as
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Speaker 1: a black woman. UM. And I thought it was something
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Speaker 1: really important that we need to talk about and again
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Speaker 1: that we still Again it's Audrey Lord who passed away
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Speaker 1: in and early nineties writing that and being published at
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Speaker 1: this point in time, it's still relevant because it's still happening. UM.
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Speaker 1: I hope Mary Daly took that and really grew with that.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine. I don't. It was embarrassing for her.
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Speaker 1: She didn't um as a call in though that was
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Speaker 1: the original call in with the letters. UM. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's so important that we keep talking about stuff
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Speaker 1: like that. Another example UM is written by Barbara Cameron,
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Speaker 1: going on I spent a part of my childhood feeling
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Speaker 1: great sadness and helplessness about how it seemed that Indians
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Speaker 1: were open game for the white people to kill, maine,
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Speaker 1: beat up, insult, rape, cheat, or whatever atrocity the white
20:26
Speaker 1: people wanted to play with. There was also a rage
20:28
Speaker 1: and frustration that has not died. When I look back
20:31
Speaker 1: on reservation life, it seems that I've spent a great
20:33
Speaker 1: deal of time attending the funerals of my relatives or
20:36
Speaker 1: friends of my family. During one year, I went to
20:39
Speaker 1: funerals of four murder victims. Most of my non Indian
20:42
Speaker 1: friends have not seen a dead body or been to
20:44
Speaker 1: a funeral. Death was so common on the reservation that
20:48
Speaker 1: did not understand the implications of the high death rate
20:51
Speaker 1: until after I moved away and was surprised to learn
20:54
Speaker 1: that I've seen more dead bodies than my friends will
20:57
Speaker 1: probably ever see in their lifetime. Um. Yeah, And again
21:01
Speaker 1: going back to with Audrey Laure she talks about that
21:04
Speaker 1: to that letter, She's like, do you know the race
21:06
Speaker 1: are much higher for those to likely die to get
21:10
Speaker 1: breast cancer? All of these statistics in marginalized people because
21:14
Speaker 1: it is real, and no one was associating and understanding
21:17
Speaker 1: or willing to associate or understand the implications of that
21:21
Speaker 1: stakes that. Yeah, the indigenous community for years have been
21:26
Speaker 1: screaming about the fact that they have been highly impacted
21:29
Speaker 1: by whatever, including the most um, the m M I
21:32
Speaker 1: W movement that has finally come to light in the
21:35
Speaker 1: last five years, and it's still not that popular and
21:37
Speaker 1: still not that understood. Yeah, and and Cameron continues, it
21:42
Speaker 1: is inappropriate for progressive or liberal white people to expect
21:45
Speaker 1: warriors in brown armor to eradicate racism. There must be
21:48
Speaker 1: corresponsibility from the people of color and white people to
21:51
Speaker 1: equally work on this issue. It's not just my responsibility
21:54
Speaker 1: to point out and educate about racist activities and beliefs,
21:58
Speaker 1: which has been a very big top of conversation lately,
22:00
Speaker 1: and we've talked about it on this show and absolutely
22:04
Speaker 1: absolutely um and as we've also been mentioning throughout this
22:07
Speaker 1: there's a lot of thoughtful discussion about this whole idea
22:10
Speaker 1: and the history and damage of white feminism, which is
22:12
Speaker 1: something else that we have talked about. Um. But yeah,
22:16
Speaker 1: that's that's really really important I think that I know
22:22
Speaker 1: we discussed before, but um, the damage you can do
22:26
Speaker 1: is a white liberal can do as being like, but
22:30
Speaker 1: I woke, right, so my work is done, but you're
22:32
Speaker 1: not actually doing anything. You just say that, right, and yeah,
22:36
Speaker 1: we're gonna know, we're gonna talk about it. More Morega
22:38
Speaker 1: actually talks about the fact that it is not my
22:41
Speaker 1: responsibility to do the work for you, and she calls
22:45
Speaker 1: that out pretty clearly to the point, um, the author
22:48
Speaker 1: that we talked about your Mada talked about going to
22:51
Speaker 1: see Morega in the convention. In what she says that
22:54
Speaker 1: she's like, do your work. We should not be the
22:57
Speaker 1: ones to do this. We're tired, we know this, we
22:59
Speaker 1: filled this. We don't have to research it. We are
23:02
Speaker 1: the research. Um. And I thought it was very like
23:05
Speaker 1: poignant that we remind once again there is this level
23:09
Speaker 1: that you keep asking people to do the work again,
23:12
Speaker 1: things like this work that we are talking about currently,
23:15
Speaker 1: this is the work that you should be reading. It's there, yes,
23:19
Speaker 1: and we go on above all else. Our politics initially
23:24
Speaker 1: sprang from the shared belief that black women are inherently valuable,
23:28
Speaker 1: that our liberation is a necessity, not as an adjunct
23:31
Speaker 1: in somebody else's but because of our need as human
23:33
Speaker 1: persons for autonomy. This may seem as obvious as to
23:37
Speaker 1: sound simplistic, but it is apparent that no other ostensible
23:41
Speaker 1: progressive movement has ever considered our specific oppression as a
23:45
Speaker 1: priority or worked seriously for the ending of that oppression.
23:49
Speaker 1: And that was from the Kambahi River Collective. Um, yeah,
23:53
Speaker 1: again we have another. Uh yeah, this is a long
23:57
Speaker 1: book and I have marked all through it. If can't
24:00
Speaker 1: any you can see I have all these markers. And
24:02
Speaker 1: then but talking about that fact is when they think feminism,
24:09
Speaker 1: they stop with middle class, upper class white women in
24:12
Speaker 1: the story, but for marginalized communities Latino black women, when
24:18
Speaker 1: it comes to feminism, to truly be feminists, they have
24:21
Speaker 1: to break down every barrier and for everybody to have
24:24
Speaker 1: the freedom, for them to have that freedom and autonomy. Yes, yes,
24:29
Speaker 1: and again it's like it's it's very upsetting, but also
24:34
Speaker 1: I don't want to say rewarding, but like you can
24:36
Speaker 1: tell because this is like the eighties, and you can
24:38
Speaker 1: see the progression of their thought and like to the
24:40
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement of like people reading these works
24:44
Speaker 1: and then growing and then like thinking and then creating
24:48
Speaker 1: an organization like the tapestry aspect of it. It's like, yeah,
24:54
Speaker 1: it's very frustrating, but also pretty beautiful to see people
24:56
Speaker 1: working off each other's works and like going to other
24:59
Speaker 1: each other's calm princes and learning from each other. Another
25:02
Speaker 1: theme we wanted to touch on is queerness. And here's
25:06
Speaker 1: another quote from Moraga. When I finally lifted the lid
25:09
Speaker 1: to my lesbian um, a profound connection with my mother
25:12
Speaker 1: reawakened in me. It wasn't until I acknowledged and confronted
25:14
Speaker 1: my own lesbian um in the flash that my heartfelt
25:17
Speaker 1: identification with an empathy for my mother's oppression due to
25:20
Speaker 1: being poor, uneducated, and Chicana was realized. My lesbian is
25:25
Speaker 1: um is the avenue through which I have learned the
25:27
Speaker 1: most about silence and oppression, and it continues to be
25:29
Speaker 1: the most tactile reminder to me that we are not
25:32
Speaker 1: free human beings. You see, one follows the other. I
25:35
Speaker 1: had known for years that I was a lesbian and
25:38
Speaker 1: felt it in my bones, had ached with the knowledge,
25:40
Speaker 1: gone crazed with the knowledge, wallowed in the silence of it.
25:43
Speaker 1: Silence is like starvation. Yeah, just the way that's written
25:48
Speaker 1: is so so profound, And as we said there, you
25:53
Speaker 1: can't separate all out all these issues because it's all intersectional.
25:57
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to sort of see Moraga and how
26:01
Speaker 1: she personally experienced this and dealt with it in the
26:05
Speaker 1: intersections in her life. Yeah, and I think it's really
26:08
Speaker 1: important to remember once again that when they are speaking
26:14
Speaker 1: in this level, they fill in the core of them
26:17
Speaker 1: of understanding how close or how far they are from
26:20
Speaker 1: that freedom that they talk about, from that release, from
26:23
Speaker 1: that autonomous moment, and because it is an intersectional issue,
26:27
Speaker 1: they are so far away. Even when one seems to
26:30
Speaker 1: be closer, it still feels far away because of the other.
26:33
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Um, it goes on. Cheryl Clark wrote,
26:39
Speaker 1: men at all levels of privilege, of all classes and colors,
26:42
Speaker 1: have the potential to act out logistically, more realistically and
26:45
Speaker 1: violently when they cannot colonize women, when they cannot subscribe
26:49
Speaker 1: our sexual productive, reproductive creative prerogatives and energies. And honestly,
26:55
Speaker 1: like it's one of those moments of like, yeah, men
26:58
Speaker 1: at all level of privilege all then go ahead and
27:01
Speaker 1: just simplify that have this moment of understanding that they
27:06
Speaker 1: can they have their ability and most likely some level
27:10
Speaker 1: of condoning from society to beat that. Yeah. So this
27:14
Speaker 1: was a quote about lesbianism and that the author was
27:19
Speaker 1: kind of theorizing why it's such a threat two men
27:22
Speaker 1: into white supremacy and why people seem to view it
27:25
Speaker 1: um as you know, something like is wrong through some ladies,
27:30
Speaker 1: they're breaking society. And this was one of her quotes
27:33
Speaker 1: about that, of like, we can't control the reproductive rights,
27:37
Speaker 1: we can't basically tell women what to do and who
27:40
Speaker 1: to be with control their bodies, then that's a problem
27:43
Speaker 1: to this society and oppression. So lesbianism would be the
27:47
Speaker 1: biggest threat a sort of independent women in general. Yeah,
27:53
Speaker 1: m hmmm uh. And then also we wanted to talk
27:57
Speaker 1: about sexisms and teams some it's around that. Here's a
28:01
Speaker 1: part of a poem from Jenny Lamb and I'm going
28:04
Speaker 1: to do my best not to petrup. Why must women
28:07
Speaker 1: stand divided building the walls that tear them down? Jill
28:10
Speaker 1: of all trades, lover, mother, housewife, friend, breadwinner, heart and spade.
28:15
Speaker 1: A woman is a ritual, a house that must accommodate,
28:17
Speaker 1: a house that must endure generation after generation of wind
28:21
Speaker 1: and torment. Of fire and rain, a house with echoing rooms,
28:25
Speaker 1: closets with hidden cries, walls with judge marks, windows with eyes. Yeah,
28:31
Speaker 1: I too love it's really I love that you've got
28:35
Speaker 1: all the difference. Like you've got poetry, you have letters,
28:38
Speaker 1: you have essays, you have artwork, like I love seeing
28:41
Speaker 1: all these different creative outlets to express these ideas. Um
28:47
Speaker 1: and you know that moth Samantha and I do. You
28:49
Speaker 1: love poetry? So we do. Here's another quote from Araga.
28:55
Speaker 1: A gay male friend of mine once confided to me
28:57
Speaker 1: that he continued to feel that, on some level I
28:59
Speaker 1: didn't trust him becau acause he was male. That he felt, really,
29:02
Speaker 1: if it ever came down to a battle of the sexes,
29:04
Speaker 1: I might kill him. I admitted that I might very well.
29:07
Speaker 1: He wanted to understand that source of my distrust. I responded,
29:11
Speaker 1: you're not a woman. Be a woman for a day.
29:13
Speaker 1: Imagine being a woman. He confessed that the thought terrified
29:16
Speaker 1: him because to him, being a woman meant being raped
29:18
Speaker 1: by men. He had felt raped by men. He wanted
29:21
Speaker 1: to forget what that meant. What grew from that discussion
29:24
Speaker 1: was the realization that in order for him to create
29:26
Speaker 1: an authentic alliance with me. He must deal with the
29:28
Speaker 1: primary source of his own sense of oppression. He must
29:31
Speaker 1: first emotionally come to terms with what it feels like
29:33
Speaker 1: to be a victim. If he or anyone were to
29:37
Speaker 1: truly do this, it would be impossible to discount the
29:39
Speaker 1: oppression of others except by again forgetting how we have
29:42
Speaker 1: been hurt and yet oppressed groups are forgetting all the time.
29:46
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's an interesting quote because for the
29:52
Speaker 1: fact that the first thing his thought his mind went
29:55
Speaker 1: to was that, WEST mean, I will be raped or
29:58
Speaker 1: I will feel rapes. I mean, that's pretty telling and
30:02
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's always a privileged attitude to
30:07
Speaker 1: be like, well, I don't have to deal with that,
30:08
Speaker 1: so I'm going to forget that. Um. And I think
30:11
Speaker 1: that that's also a really important point that it's underscored
30:15
Speaker 1: throughout this book. Right. Once again, it's kind of that
30:18
Speaker 1: reminder of everything being sexualized in the use of women
30:22
Speaker 1: in general. It is for that very purpose, um going on.
30:26
Speaker 1: She writes, this is the pressor's nightmare, but it's not
30:30
Speaker 1: exclusive to him. We women have a similar nightmare. For
30:33
Speaker 1: each of us in some way has been both oppressed
30:36
Speaker 1: and the oppressor. We are afraid to look at how
30:38
Speaker 1: we have failed each other. We are afraid to see
30:40
Speaker 1: how we've taken the values of our oppressors into our
30:43
Speaker 1: hearts and turned them against ourselves and one another. We
30:46
Speaker 1: are afraid to admit how deeply the man's word have
30:50
Speaker 1: been ingrained in us. To assess the damage is a
30:53
Speaker 1: dangerous act. I think of how, even as a feminist lesbian,
30:56
Speaker 1: I have so wanted to ignore my own homophobia, my
30:59
Speaker 1: own hatred myself for being queer. I have not wanted
31:02
Speaker 1: to admit that my deepest personal sense of myself has
31:05
Speaker 1: not quite caught up with my woman identified politics. I
31:10
Speaker 1: have been afraid to criticize lesbian writers who choose to
31:12
Speaker 1: skip over these issues in the name of feminism. In
31:16
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, we talk of old gay and butch
31:19
Speaker 1: and film role as if they were ancient history. We
31:22
Speaker 1: tossed them aside as merely patriarchal notions. And yet the
31:26
Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that I have sometimes taken
31:28
Speaker 1: society's fear and hatred of lesbian's to bed with me.
31:32
Speaker 1: I have sometimes hated my lover for loving me. I
31:34
Speaker 1: have sometimes felt not woman enough for her. I have
31:38
Speaker 1: sometimes felt not men enough. For a lesbian trying to
31:41
Speaker 1: survive in a hetero sexist society, there's no easy way
31:45
Speaker 1: around this emotion. Similarly, in a white dominated world, there's
31:49
Speaker 1: little getting around racism and our own internalization of it.
31:53
Speaker 1: It's always there, embodied in someone who we least expect
31:56
Speaker 1: to rub up against. Yeah, and I think this is
31:58
Speaker 1: a great example of what we've been talking about in
32:00
Speaker 1: terms of the authors in their real honesty about these
32:04
Speaker 1: things that they're writing about, and how they have internalized
32:08
Speaker 1: things and how they have dealt with it and how
32:10
Speaker 1: it's impacted them and their view of themselves. Uh. And
32:14
Speaker 1: I again, like even going back to recent fiction episode
32:19
Speaker 1: we did where I said at the top, like I've
32:21
Speaker 1: been afraid to share this story because I'm afraid it's
32:23
Speaker 1: not feminist enough. I think that the idea haunts a
32:27
Speaker 1: lot of us. But I mean, ultimately, you want to
32:30
Speaker 1: grow and learn, and to do that, you can't hide
32:34
Speaker 1: from that part of you. Um. And that's hard. It
32:38
Speaker 1: is hard, especially like to confront like, oh, I'm queer,
32:42
Speaker 1: but also maybe I am homophobic too, and how do
32:45
Speaker 1: I reconcile that? Um? It's scary and hard, but it
32:49
Speaker 1: is so valuable and needed. This's this self loathing that
32:53
Speaker 1: perpetuates because society is dictated this is not normal, and
32:57
Speaker 1: there's therefore this is not of higher rank. And yeah,
33:00
Speaker 1: throughout you see a lot of people talking about wanting
33:03
Speaker 1: to be more likely white. There's a couple of other
33:06
Speaker 1: examples where it's not necessarily about whiteness, but you know,
33:09
Speaker 1: so many of the writers talking about looking to whiteeness
33:14
Speaker 1: as the standard of perfection. So therefore feeling really just
33:18
Speaker 1: hatred for your own skin color, for your melanin, whatever
33:21
Speaker 1: it may be. For me, I am considered. They keep saying,
33:25
Speaker 1: a lot of Asian people say yellow at such a
33:29
Speaker 1: negative connotation to me that I always say brown, which
33:32
Speaker 1: surprises a lot of Asian people. So I don't even
33:35
Speaker 1: know how to say that. But in turn, just like
33:37
Speaker 1: this level of hatred because again, those schemes, those ideas
33:42
Speaker 1: are so uh embedded. And again they talk about that,
33:46
Speaker 1: just as she says about how it's just a part
33:49
Speaker 1: of us. It is there, it is ingrained into us
33:53
Speaker 1: that this is what it should be. So therefore, hate
33:55
Speaker 1: yourself because you're not. Yeah, here's the quote from Aurora
34:13
Speaker 1: Levin's Morales. The point of terror, of denial, The point
34:16
Speaker 1: of hatred is the tight dress stretched across my grandmother's
34:19
Speaker 1: big breast, the coquettish, well made up smile grandmother, aunt
34:22
Speaker 1: and great aunts, all decked out in sex, talking about
34:25
Speaker 1: how I'm pretty, talking about how men are only good
34:28
Speaker 1: for one thing, hating sex and gloating over the hidden
34:30
Speaker 1: filthiness and everything looking me over in a hurry to
34:33
Speaker 1: find me a boyfriend, and in that same breath you
34:36
Speaker 1: can't travel alone. You don't know what men are like.
34:38
Speaker 1: They only want one thing, women, teaching women our bodies
34:41
Speaker 1: are disgusting and dirty, our desires are obscene. Men are
34:44
Speaker 1: all sick and want only one sickening thing from us,
34:47
Speaker 1: saying you've got to learn how to hold out on them.
34:50
Speaker 1: You've got to learn how to hold out on them
34:52
Speaker 1: just long enough to get what you want. It's the
34:54
Speaker 1: only item you can put on the market, so better
34:56
Speaker 1: make it go far. When you have to deliver, lie
34:58
Speaker 1: down and grit your teeth and bear it, because there's
35:00
Speaker 1: no escape. And that touches on a lot of stuff
35:03
Speaker 1: we we discussed on this show quite frequently, and we've
35:05
Speaker 1: even been discussing a lot in um not necessarily in
35:09
Speaker 1: this context when a lot of the movies we've chosen
35:11
Speaker 1: for our feminist movie Fridays is the damage that women
35:14
Speaker 1: and particularly women in our own family can do to us.
35:18
Speaker 1: But just this whole cycle of like your body is
35:22
Speaker 1: dangerous and sexist, gross, but the only thing you're good
35:26
Speaker 1: for is your desirability towards men, So you're just gonna
35:28
Speaker 1: have to accept it is so toxic and really sad
35:32
Speaker 1: that you're just gonna have to accept it and gun
35:35
Speaker 1: your teeth and bear it. That whole idea is ruled
35:39
Speaker 1: really toxic. And here's another quote from Judith Moskovich. Think
35:44
Speaker 1: of it in terms of men's and women's cultures. Women
35:46
Speaker 1: live in male systems, no male rules, speak male language,
35:49
Speaker 1: went around men, et cetera. But what do men really
35:52
Speaker 1: know about women? Only screwed up miss concocted to perpetuate
35:55
Speaker 1: at the power and balance. It is the same situation
35:57
Speaker 1: when it comes to dominant and non dominant are called
36:00
Speaker 1: anizing and colonized cultures countries people. As a bilingual, bicultural
36:04
Speaker 1: woman whose native culture is not American, I live in
36:07
Speaker 1: an American system, abide by an American rules of conduct.
36:09
Speaker 1: Speak English when around English speakers, etcetera. Only to be
36:12
Speaker 1: confronted with utter ignorance or concoctedness and stereotypes about my
36:17
Speaker 1: own culture is something else we've been talking about. And
36:20
Speaker 1: a lot of these uh feminist movie Fridays um and
36:24
Speaker 1: just in like the reactions to them, I guess more
36:26
Speaker 1: so of like, oh, I could never relate to this
36:29
Speaker 1: movie about an Asian young girl that doesn't think right
36:33
Speaker 1: when you're like really right, I mean it's it's interesting
36:38
Speaker 1: as she talks about stereotypes and myths and kind of
36:42
Speaker 1: that same story again that ruminates from me with Thermata
36:45
Speaker 1: was talking about how people didn't realize we had a
36:48
Speaker 1: problem because the model minority meant that we didn't talk
36:51
Speaker 1: about the fact that the stereotype you placed on us
36:54
Speaker 1: we accepted and move forward with it. And because it
36:58
Speaker 1: was made us invisible enough and not to start the waters,
37:01
Speaker 1: we're okay with it. But then this again the level
37:04
Speaker 1: of like when we do show our culture, we are
37:06
Speaker 1: ashamed kind of like we talk about food being really
37:09
Speaker 1: important and uh, I know it's a big thing right
37:12
Speaker 1: now on social media when we have like white people
37:15
Speaker 1: essentially trying new foods and then not liking it. And
37:18
Speaker 1: making fun of the typically ethnic food and what that
37:23
Speaker 1: means and what that does for those cultures, and how
37:27
Speaker 1: that really just again perpetuates the stereotype that is damaging
37:32
Speaker 1: and shaming. Um. I mean, that's kind of this whole
37:35
Speaker 1: thing with coronavirus, one of the beginning things for the
37:39
Speaker 1: Asian hate which has always been around. We know, we
37:41
Speaker 1: know the history of the context of everything that happened
37:44
Speaker 1: in the past, and in the way that they literally
37:48
Speaker 1: outlawed Asian people to come to the US, But all
37:52
Speaker 1: of that to say that those types of conversations continued
37:56
Speaker 1: to happen in the stereotype and the fact that we
37:58
Speaker 1: continue to have to defend did or have a conversation
38:01
Speaker 1: about why it's wrong, and then being told calm down,
38:04
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal, but then being
38:08
Speaker 1: lesser because of it such a such a big, bigger thing,
38:11
Speaker 1: and yes, and ultimately being colonized and therefore taking credit
38:15
Speaker 1: as something new for typically white and European people's. So
38:20
Speaker 1: it's like, wait, okay, that's confusing, but okay, I get it.
38:25
Speaker 1: Moving on. It says for women, the need and desire
38:28
Speaker 1: to nurture each other is not pathological, but redemptive, and
38:31
Speaker 1: it is within that knowledge that our real power is rediscovered.
38:35
Speaker 1: It is this real connection which is so feared by
38:39
Speaker 1: patriarchal world, for it's only under a patriarchal structure that
38:42
Speaker 1: maternity is the only social power open to women. Yeah. Again,
38:50
Speaker 1: it's it's so hard to describe a lot of this
38:52
Speaker 1: book because so much was accomplished, um and through all
38:56
Speaker 1: these really powerful voices, and because you do have all
39:01
Speaker 1: the Fords and you've seen kind of these changes over
39:04
Speaker 1: the years. Uh, just really really recommend it. But it
39:07
Speaker 1: does sort of end on ever I say hopeful now,
39:11
Speaker 1: it ends on a note of like we can work together,
39:14
Speaker 1: we can do this, like we're strong and powerful. Yeah.
39:17
Speaker 1: I think it's right, the strong and powerful exactly Sherry Morega,
39:21
Speaker 1: who is, yes, the main existing person behind these we
39:25
Speaker 1: publishings and this anthology because the co publisher editor died
39:30
Speaker 1: a while ago, but she does have this poem in here,
39:32
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's perfect for like how she
39:35
Speaker 1: wanted this to sound, even though she's so tired. And
39:38
Speaker 1: it's called the Welder, and I'm going to try to
39:40
Speaker 1: not kill it. So here we go. I am a welder,
39:44
Speaker 1: not an alchemist. I'm interested in the blend of common
39:47
Speaker 1: elements to make a common thing. No magic here, only
39:51
Speaker 1: the heat of my desire to fuse what I already
39:54
Speaker 1: know exist is possible. We plead to each other. We
39:58
Speaker 1: all come from the same rock, ignoring the fact that
40:01
Speaker 1: we've been at different temperatures, that each of us is
40:04
Speaker 1: malleable up to a point. Yes, fusion is possible, but
40:08
Speaker 1: only if things get hot enough. All else is temporary
40:11
Speaker 1: adhesions patching up. It is the intimacy a still melting
40:15
Speaker 1: into still. The fire of our individual passions take hold
40:18
Speaker 1: of ourselves. That makes sculpture of our lives, builds, buildings,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about skyscrapers, merely structures that can
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Speaker 1: support us without fear of trembling. For too long a time,
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Speaker 1: the heat of my heavy hands has been smoldering in
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Speaker 1: the pockets of other people's business. They need oxygen to
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Speaker 1: make fire. I am now coming up for air. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I am picking up the torch. I am the welder.
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Speaker 1: I understand the capacity of heat to change the shape
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Speaker 1: of things. I am suited to work with the realm
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Speaker 1: of sparks out of control. I am the welder. I
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Speaker 1: am taking the power into my own hands. And I
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Speaker 1: really love that. I think as much frustration as she
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Speaker 1: has talked about throughout the book, throughout the anthology, and
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Speaker 1: coming back and revisiting it over and over and over again,
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Speaker 1: just remembering that yes, unfortunately, we're not here to make
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Speaker 1: it pretty. We're here to make it come together and
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Speaker 1: support and strong and untrembling. And I found that to
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Speaker 1: be really really beautiful or inspiring, especially coming from a
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Speaker 1: voice that has seen it repeatedly and is still screaming
41:27
Speaker 1: at the top of our lives, what is happening. We
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Speaker 1: need the solution, and this has been the solution. No
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Speaker 1: one's listening, Yeah, yeah, And then we want to include
41:38
Speaker 1: this quote, which is sort of I think it was
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Speaker 1: compiled by several of the writers who contributed to this.
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Speaker 1: They call themselves the third World women writer. A woman
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Speaker 1: who writes has power or woman with power is feared
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Speaker 1: in the eyes of the world. This makes us dangerous, beast.
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Speaker 1: So I really liked that. I liked the this idea
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Speaker 1: of this book being a powerful tool of of change,
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Speaker 1: and I think that it is and again highly recommend
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Speaker 1: that you read it. I think if you're looking to
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Speaker 1: It's a powerful tool and I think that it's just
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Speaker 1: incredibly valuable and worthwhile. And as you said, they've done
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Speaker 1: the work so here. It is also shout out one
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Speaker 1: of the people around the world we featured. Christos is
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Speaker 1: featured throughout as well, and their work is phenomenal. Yes, yes,
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