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From Arkansas Mudflats to Missouri Migrators — Hunting Stories, Expo Info & Gear Talk · DuckFellas Podcast

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Welcome back to the Duckfellas Podcast, episode 31.
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This week, it's hosted by Zach, Mr. Pookie, and myself.
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Make sure while you're here, hit that like button and subscribe,
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wherever you're listening in at. And we got some special guests this week.
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One, Mr. Famous ZB Kitchens on Iowa Waterfowlers, and Mr. Cody Mann,
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which, gonna give it a minute to let them in, I guess, because Cody's camera's
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off all of a sudden. There he is. Bring it on, boys.
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How's it going, guys? Not bad. Not just that. That's it. Not bad.
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No, that's it. That's all you get. That's it. Yep.
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At least he said something. ZB just said wave. Yeah, Zach just said, man.
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Is he frozen? Are you okay, ZB?
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I can only hear you, Zach. You can only hear me? Yeah.
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Well, that's fine. I'll just relay questions. Let me try removing them and bringing
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them back. You want me to try to sign back in?
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Yeah, go ahead and do that. Come out and come back in. I'll let you in.
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Maybe I can try to go live on my phone.
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Just try signing out. We'll get through some beginning stuff here.
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You sign out, we'll let you right back in.
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Well, before we're waiting on him to come back, we'll just move into kind of
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pookie. Where the fuck have you been?
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Dude, working, getting ready for the kiddo to come.
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Wife's kept a strict schedule on me lately, but finally not working nights, so pumped to be back.
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I have watched all your guys' episodes. They're not as good without me on it,
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but, I mean, it is what it is. I'm back for the people.
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Yeah it's just not as fun without you it's harder to pick on Zach compared to
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you I know I get it I'll take that as a W.
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But can you hear everybody now Zach can you still just hear me I can hear you,
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that's so weird I can hear Cody,
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sorry about that guys alright at least we got two of the four Yeah,
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it'll work. It'll buff.
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I can hear everybody now. Oh, there we go. All right. Well, let's move into
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some of the news while we're here.
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One thing I've seen is that Missouri added a non-resident bird permit this year
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that is now $60 for non-residents to come and hunt in Missouri compared to,
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I think it was just like $6 or $7 last year.
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I mean, ZB or Cody would be able to tell me more than I know,
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but wasn't it like $7.50 as a non-resident or used to be?
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Yeah, it was like a total of $12.50 to hunt just for the day,
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too. You get day permit down there.
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So I guess it was probably a little closer to $20 now, but when I first started
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to go down there, it was $12.50.
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It's one of those things you don't really pay attention to. You just got to
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buy it anyway. It's kind of like, yeah.
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I mean, how often do we sit there and go, yeah, I'm not going to go because
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that costs too much for the license. Exactly.
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Still going to spend the money and go either way. Yep.
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If we were into saving money, none of us would be doing any of this. No.
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No. I make sure I stay broke doing this, really. Yeah, absolutely.
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Well, with this hobby, I can't afford drugs, so it keeps me going straight now.
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Oh, shit. And then Kansas. There's a lot of speculation coming out of Kansas
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lately, the past couple years, really,
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that they're going to really limit non-residents and maybe even how many non-residents
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can come into the state and hunt every year, which is wild.
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Kind of South Dakota does the same thing, though. Yeah.
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Did you see any numbers?
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Do what? Did you see any sort of numbers on that? No, I did not.
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I know it got denied. One of the deals got shut down a year or two ago,
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but I know They've been working on it and trying to get something figured out.
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I mean, you're already limited.
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I think you can't hunt weekends or something like that on state ground and federal ground.
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It was at,
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24. They introduced that bill to limit the amount of non-residents coming into
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Canada. And there was a handful of people, you know, you're always going to
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have the guys to bitch about it, right? Did you say Canada?
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Did I say Canada? I'm pretty sure you said Canada. Basically the same thing
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in Canada. I mean, almost.
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Directions, B.I. And then, what's your guys' opinion on this daylight savings time deal?
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I don't know. It just gives us an extra hour of sleep during duck season,
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but it's going to be kind of weird not having a shooting time until 8 o'clock or later.
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Don't let somebody go at once. I mean, selfishly, I kind of like it, right? I mean,
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it's going to open up opportunities for some guys. It's going to lessen the
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opportunities for others, right? Depending if you're a night worker,
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your weekend shift, whatever it is, for your average weekend warrior, bye.
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Didn't want to talk to you anyways for your average weekend warrior i don't see it i,
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mean i don't think it's gonna affect much right i mean you're taking an hour
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at the beginning tacking on the hour at the end so i mean you're still getting
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the same amount of daylight in a in a day's worth of hunting i can still i can
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just drink beer till 11 instead of 10 now hey trenton's got a good point,
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he gets to sleep an hour later in the boat on midnight runs now So it's just
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an extra hour of nice sleep on the gun box.
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Yeah, good, high quality sleep, I can only imagine.
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Dude i'm not gonna lie that might seriously be a game changer for me though
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when i'm working nights and i'm off at midnight and i do get that extra hour
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of sleep like that'll be huge.
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Yeah i was thinking about that the other day whenever we were me and you were
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texting back and forth on it i'm like yeah that'll really benefit austin a little
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bit we can go out an hour later,
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yeah need that especially with how much i had been doing that like just two
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weeks straight of doing that every single day, just hunting pretty much straight
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up until work and doing it every single day I could.
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Yeah, that's one good thing about night shift. You can work all night and then
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hunt all day and just get minimal sleep.
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I used to do that when I worked 10 to 6 and then I'd go hunting at 6.
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Of course, I was always the last one at the marsh and everybody touched me going
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in, but it was worth it. Just pissing everybody off.
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It was worth it every single time. You gotta do what you gotta do.
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I mean, I get why people get mad when guys are coming in late.
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But at the same time, it's like, as long as you're going basically to your spot,
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and not going on a complete joyride, it's not big of a deal.
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I mean, we don't have time to stop and talk about the situation you're in,
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right? But it is definitely situational.
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As far as Cody's situation, I wouldn't be as annoyed as I would with certain
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other people just sleeping in and showing up late.
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Pookie, I believe he's referring to you on this. dude that's crazy he's the
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cop that's always late to the boat
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ramp I was late one time last year yeah overslept one time that's crazy.
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Oh, well, let's move in to a little bit of your guys' background.
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We'll go ahead and start with Zach since he's here temporarily.
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We'll see how long he stays here this time because he keeps getting mad and leaving.
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Yeah, my connection's not the best right now.
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My dad got me into hunting and fishing, trapping, very young.
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I think I did a little bit of waterfowl hunting when I was about 10,
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11, then got back into it about 16.
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And it's ever been been there ever since what uh do you guys hunt you do you
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kind of hunt the same style as you guys used to or just was it just you and
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your dad or when you started,
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we always hunted out of a boat for ducks a little bit here and there and then,
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i mean once we get talking about snow goose hunting i mean we did a lot of jump
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shooting when we're when i was younger and i know So that's,
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a sore subject, but then we figured out that we could decoy them and I'd buy
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pretty much anything and everything I could or afford.
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And it's grown from there.
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Yeah, it's like a drug. Like Zach said earlier, it's addicting.
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Can't get off it once you start it. I feel like, Cody, give us a little bit
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of how you got started and let me know or kind of tell us your background.
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My dad started taking me duck hunting in a duck boat when I was two.
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Mom was kind of frowned upon that because she said I was just creating a monster, and that we did.
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So that led to goose hunting when I was old enough to drive because he kind of got away from it.
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So i drove to missouri and picked up my first 10 dozen of snow goose decoys
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and a chevy cavalier so i stuffed them all in there and kind of just took off from there,
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i like decoying them really really close and you and your dad still hunt together
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now don't don't you guys yeah every once in a while he'll go he doesn't like
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duck and goose hunting a whole lot anymore just because you have to get up early and he's old,
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but it could be a lot of work too yeah he enjoys deer hunting now more than
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Duck and Goose, so whatever. Everybody's got their own thing.
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It's a young man's game, that's for sure. Especially Snow Goose season.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Tyler's in the chat. Shut up.
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Yeah, so how long have you been saying you've been doing it? When did you start?
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I started being old by myself when I was 16. I just went and went with my dad
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when I was younger. I probably shot my first duck at like 8.
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So what was your first duck you ever killed? Mallard, the hen mallard.
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Hen mallard. Zach, what was yours? Blue winged tail.
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Atta boy. The absolute pinnacle of ducks in Iowa.
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Dude, that season's coming up quick, too. Yeah, it is.
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A sweaty mess and covered mosquitoes.
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How many bands do you have, Cody? Have you killed?
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I think six Canada's, two Snow Goose, and then I got Blue Phase Rossi right there.
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That's about it. Oh, I got a Mallard band last year out from Zach.
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Oh, yes. You did. I remember playing Mallard in South Dakota.
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Sheesh. Yeah. Zach, what do you have now? I think I, well, I got a roadkill Canada band.
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I found on the side of the interstate. And I got a, I just have a honker and
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it ended up being a local band here and from where I'm from here in town.
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And then a banded Gadwall from South. I shot in South Dakota,
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but it was banded in Louisiana.
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Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's dope.
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All right, Zach, what's your favorite bird or coolest bird that you've killed? Hmm.
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It'd be a tough one. Probably the banded gadwall, honestly. That was pretty
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cool. Only because I missed it three times.
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He killed it. Man, that'll sting. Someone's got to get it. Yeah.
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That probably hurt worse than whenever I killed the speckle belly last year
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out of the boat when Austin never killed one before I told him to shoot it.
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Did he miss it? no my gun was unloaded I didn't even pull up my gun there's
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a shell sticking out of it I'm like somebody kill it at least like do not let
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this that thing was so beautiful barred up just so nice too and I'm like,
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well if this gun wasn't brand new it might go in the drink.
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What's your favorite bird you've killed or coolest bird you've killed Cody?
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I killed a 20 year old Canada goose in northwest Iowa and then probably that
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blue phaser I'll see 9 and 20, that's an old bird. That's a pretty old bird.
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And then one more question. If you could pick anywhere to go for a dream hunt, where would you go?
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Maybe Canada because I haven't been there yet. I was going to pretty much everywhere else.
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I want to go to Idaho. That's on my bucket list. Oh, yeah, that would be cool.
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On the Snake River. Yeah. Yeah.
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Find you a Mormon girl.
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I'd like to go to either Alaska or Argentina Alaska would be amazing dude I
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don't know Argentina would be sick though they don't have limits down there
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I don't think no yeah but you can't bring anything back.
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That would be the downside, but it'd still be fun to go down there.
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That would be, I've actually just seen something on, I think,
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Instagram the other day about an outfitter down there, and I was like,
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oh, I'd want to go so bad one of these days.
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I had a dove hunt bought and then didn't go.
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A what? A dove hunt? Yeah, in Argentina. Oh, shit.
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Yeah, I bought, me and two buddies
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split it, and we bought it at the ISC banquet like three years ago.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah, and then we started looking at the prices, and we were all like,
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well, I know we have the hump, but you got to buy the shells and rent the guns
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and pay the bird boys. And I was like, ah, what do you guys expect to,
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like how many shells do you expect to shoot in a day?
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And they're like, oh, you probably need a case a day. I said, oh, I better not.
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Melting the gun down. Yeah, I was like, I'm not in the position to do that right
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now, so I'm going to pass.
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Well, since I asked these two, I'll ask you, Zach, new and dork.
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What's your dream hunt? What's your dream place to go to? So I'm going to get
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across one off the list, hopefully.
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I'm with ZB. I really want to go to Alaska. I think it'd be awesome.
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I'd love to go shoot like a harlequin over in Alaska.
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But I am going on a New Zealand stag hunt in 2028.
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And I'm going to think, I think I'm going to be able to knock down a couple
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of paradise ducks while I'm out there and do one morning of a duck hunt out there.
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That'd be fun. So we're supposed to be going about their fall season.
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So as long as I talk to the guide and get that in the books,
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I'll be able to do one morning of duck hunting out there.
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They got the Paradise Ducks, which are really pretty birds. And then you can
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shoot, I need to do a little research on it. I just found out about it today, actually.
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You shoot a black swan out there.
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A black swan? Mm-hmm.
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It looks like, yeah, I mean, it looks like a trumpeter, but it's black and the
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wingtips are white. And it's got a pink, reddish bill.
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Kind of cool. So yeah, I think it'd be cool to go out there.
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It's really pretty out there so I'd like to get that one knocked out but yeah
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other than that I'm with ZB I'm gonna go to Alaska but you Pookie,
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I don't necessarily know if I have like a favorite place that I'd like to go.
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I think I, like, I would just sometime in my life like to kill a mallard-pentail hybrid.
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Like, I think that that, like, I might just be done hunting if that ever happened.
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And be like, well, probably never going to get cooler than this.
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Well, if that's the case, we're going to try really hard to get you on this
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fall. That is the new goal.
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Get him that duck. If it is, you guys are going to have to find somebody else
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that knows what they're, what they're doing, putting the boat together out there.
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So don't rely on Jack Neuendorf for that.
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We'll see if Dolphin wants to start going.
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Damn it. So, I mean, if you're good with introductions, you want to touch on
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the expo real quick? Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, we might as well. Go ahead. Hit it. Just figure we run through a couple things.
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I know we touched on it a month or a month and a half ago, whatever it was,
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but kind of touch on just some times and stuff when the door's open and kind of what's going on.
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So Friday, for anybody that's wanting to go Friday, the show floor opens at
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noon and will run until 6 with the banquet being at 5.30.
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If you're going to be at the banquet or even at the show, stop,
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say hi, but hopefully we'll see a few of you guys at the banquet.
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I'm really looking forward to that. I think it's going to be a really cool time.
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Really expensive time for a
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lot of people. I was going to say that was not anything. Yeah, not for me.
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And then Friday, also 1 to 5, they have some seminars. Obviously,
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they've got seminars Saturday as well. But the only thing I really wanted to
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touch on, doors open at 9 a.m. Saturday.
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But the one thing I want to point out is at noon, and I only say this because
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I've never been to one, so I'm going to check it out. They've got the Double
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Read Calling Championship Saturday at noon.
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Is it just a double read calling contest? I believe, from what I can tell on
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the Expo's website, it's just a double read.
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I haven't looked. I haven't found anything on that, really. So I'm just curious.
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I mean, it doesn't give any sort of classes or anything. It just says double-read
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calling championship, so I assumed it was only double-read,
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You signed up, ZB? I have.
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That's a sore subject right there.
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I'm just saying, you can register all the way up until 10 a.m.,
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I think, Saturday morning, so if you're feeling froggy.
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I'll just sign them up for it. Yeah. Done. Yeah.
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Thanks, guys. No problem. We'll even have the call there ready for you.
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Hopefully it's tuned pretty good. Oh, absolutely. Off the Pookie will tune it.
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Yeah. He still couldn't blow it.
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We can get the old double nasty out for him.
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Yeah. So, for you two boys, you guys are planning on coming Sunday, right? Yep.
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I might make it up Saturday at some point, but we'll see. Well,
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you'll be there Saturday at noon, but yeah. Well, yeah, you have to be there at noon.
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I want to be there a little before. We could probably be a little bit before
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just so you can get a couple rounds of practice. to sin yeah i'll work on that,
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the rest he's really good with the drake whistle sad i am.
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And then for all that's that care to go there is a church service at 9am on
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sunday and show floors open from nine to four yeah and if you if you're there
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and you find us we'll have stickers and whatnot on hand out. Chris Pie Fives.
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See if you can't sign some boobs over there. Ricky Bobby did it so I figured we could do it.
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Yeah I bought a whole case of Sharpies we're good to go. Sick.
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You got that everything for the Delta Expo you got or what?
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Yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, I feel like I've touched on the,
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I couldn't find anything on, on details on seminars and stuff.
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So I tried to look and see who's going to be talking, but I mean,
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there's a couple, there's a cooking one Saturday.
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Cooking with Kaya? Unfortunately, no.
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But you should attend the cooking one, Tyler. Like, I mean, you kind of lack
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towards the end of the year with the boat breakfast. So, or at least take some lessons from ZB.
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I'll tell you what tyler i'll take your breakfast over a lot of breakfasts yeah
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of course you would thanks zach i'm not sure how to take that little.
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We get it i'm back yeah so the if i go to like special events or live stages,
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so dirty's outerwear never heard of them to be honest limit sundown and then,
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a Komodo Joe field to table stage.
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There we go. Did you say Dirty's Outerwear or Dirty's Underwear?
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Dirty's Outerwear. You heard it.
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I did find the link. I'll just run through it here. Friday, you got Evolution Waterfowl Shotguns.
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At one, at two, you have Private Lands Management so we can start stopping the
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migration a little better. At three, you have Basic Dog Handling.
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At four, you got Feeling the Sporting Dog so Hydration Recovery and Readiness.
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And that puts us through Friday. Saturday, you're doing the private lands first thing in the morning.
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Pookie. 11 a.m. Calling 101. Foundations of a dead-effective duck calling.
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Noon's the dog handling again. Right after that's we're feeling the sport dog.
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2 p.m. is from field to kennel so handling and breeder insights.
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Waterfowl shotguns again at 3.
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At 4 p.m. there's a all things waterfowl live Q&A. That'd be kind of cool.
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Sunday at 11 there's a call tuning so maximize performance in the field.
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What day again that's Sunday at 11 a.m.
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Oh shit I was really hoping we could get to that for Zach's calling competition
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you know before the competition no no that's where I think which yeah so yeah an hour before 11 a.m.
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On Saturday there's the call 101 foundations of effective duck calling so maybe
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we can hit that quick yeah.
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Yeah then private lands again basic dog handling and then at 2 p.m.
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On Sunday they have the all things waterfowl a live Q&A again Thank you.
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Should be a good time. I'm really looking forward to it. I've been looking forward
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to this weekend all since hunting season, really.
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Yeah, this is super. This is what I wanted to go to the past couple of years, seeing Bradley go.
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It looks awesome, so I'm excited. It's close to home.
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Yep. Going to be a lot of new stuff that's going to be there that you can check
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out, get your hands on it, and see if you actually want to buy it before you
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order it off of Rogers like everybody else buys everything from nowadays.
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But it'll be neat. It's easy, you know? Yeah. It is easy. It's easy to spend
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a bunch of money on there. Yes.
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But let's move into some of your guys' adventures and challenges that come with
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snow goose hunting and the things you guys have experienced out in the field.
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I guess we'll just kind of start, I mean, not locations here,
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but what's your guys' go-to state?
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I know you guys do a little bit of traveling. Favorite state to hunt snow geese in?
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Probably Arkansas in their mud. That's probably my favorite.
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Is there a specific reason?
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Down there, just chasing feeds. And up here, it's just like you're hunting the
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migrators, and that's about it.
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Chasing feeds is always fun. Yeah, it is.
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Zach? CB? I would agree. Arkansas is a great time every time. It's always a blast.
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I never look forward to the mud. I can tell you that, like Cody does.
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Cody can walk across the mud. I usually sink.
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I've had to pull you out of some mud before. Yeah. I usually get into it pretty
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good. We'll put it that way.
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You need to get some bigger feet. Yeah, I can't just walk across it. I sink.
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Last year, we had a pretty good time down there. Just the two of us.
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We threw out, what, a thousand socks or whatever is all we took down there.
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The two of us set up a little over two and a half hours.
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Chasing thieves down there for dinner. No, it was pretty fun.
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That it's gotten it's been years since i've gone down there but from what i've
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heard it's gotten really tough to get permission to hunt down there,
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just because of all the outfitters chasing them and people everybody does it
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nowadays compared to 10 years ago yeah we've got a pretty good relationship
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with a couple farmers down there
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so that helps yeah that makes a big difference yeah it's pretty solid,
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they kind of you guys you guys call them before you go and kind of get a rundown
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on the third virgin area you just kind of go every year at the same time We,
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go with the same year every time, but we also shoot him a text when we're leaving up here.
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This last year, we weren't sure if they were going to let us or not,
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and we tracked down the farm hand, and he made a call, and we were good to go.
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So that was really nice to hear after driving all night.
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Yeah, I can only imagine driving all night to get there, and the farmer's like,
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yeah, you ain't my shit no more. Get the fuck out.
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Would be a little stressful. Yep, and sent him a nice text when we left and
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everything else. And he said, hope to see you guys next year.
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Some of them landowners can really make the trip. Like our trip to North Dakota
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this past year that we did, that last landowner that we met and hunted his property
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was, a dude was a talker from all get out.
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But he was a good time and really accommodating. I can't believe he didn't come
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out and shoot geese with us because he kept acting like he wanted to.
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Yeah he could have shot his buck that day too yeah right right through the spread,
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wild all right well you mentioned spreads you guys ran a thousand socks or whatever
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what's your guys's go-to spread and kind of how much of each do you run and
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i mean we'll go into brands and favorite brands all that stuff too,
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well we've switched it up throughout the years i think,
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what cody we were running 3 000 socks a couple years ago and a couple hundred
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full bodies and then probably three four hundred floaters in a migratory spread
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and sold off a lot of that stuff and bought some newer stuff.
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So we're not as big as we used to be.
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Yeah, well, we go for more realism now. We have more full bodies and socks now.
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Is it getting like where you're having to go to full bodies to really get them
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finished? Like are the birds getting smarter or just more educated along the flyway?
28:30
It depends on where you're at in the United States. Like Arkansas,
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they're pretty dumb down there.
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And then when they get up to here, they're pretty smart.
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Especially if you don't have any wind, and then the full bodies kind of come into play.
28:43
Yeah. Speaking of hardships, the wind. Arkansas, that was tough this last year.
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We had zero wind for three days.
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Man, no wind. The one day we had seven-mile-an-hour wind, and we thought it
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was going to be a good day, and then it decided to get cloudy,
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and I think it was raining that day.
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Yeah, that was the day we picked up and went home. Yep.
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I feel like no wind, if you don't have wind, you're almost better off just staying
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home when it comes to duck, goose, snow goose. I mean, all of them.
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It's just, we all go still, because what else are you going to do?
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Sit at home and on the couch or whatnot? But it's tough. Well, no.
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If you stay at home, I guarantee you win to pick up.
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Walk outside and the wind just rips your head off if you stay at home. Yeah, that's the fact.
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That's how it works for me. Yeah. The most successful state is usually Missouri,
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though, because we've had our big numbers there because of migrators.
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Yeah, imagine if you hit that right. It's hard to beat, you know,
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getting right underneath their line when they're moving north and you're just
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pulling them out of the sky.
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I've gotten lucky a couple times back in Illinois when I used to hunt there,
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and you just hit it right and they just keep coming. You can pretty much shoot
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and reload and shoot and reload and never stop.
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I think the most we've ever shot is 165 over decoys, which is a pretty good day.
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That's a pretty damn good day, for sure. A lot of shells are shot.
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We usually hit it right about one day a year, it seems like. That year we hit it good.
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For a couple weekends straight, we did. Yeah, that was, what was that,
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two, three years ago where you guys were just beating them up,
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like, I think every weekend?
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I think it was, it wasn't this last season. It was, I think, the season before.
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They kind of all go together anymore.
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That's what happens when you get old, ZB. Yeah. Oh, I'm getting there.
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I'm getting there. Hopefully you catch me and pass me up in age.
30:43
Yeah, I don't know if that's going to happen, Tyler. It might.
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Just keep, I can have a dream, okay?
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Yeah that is true we'd still give you more shit for it anyway Tyler.
30:57
Whatever sorry I pick on you enough it's fine yeah I think you kind of mentioned
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it like it is so Missouri pretty much your favorite state to hunt or was it Arkansas,
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Arkansas definitely they're pretty experience wise but killing lies in Missouri,
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and then like everybody's got their own styles for snow goose hunting like,
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I mean it's yeah all kinds of different ways of doing it but between land and
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water which ones you guys was favorite I mean I see you guys do both quite a bit,
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we lay in whites quite a bit which is a lot easier to blend in than a layout
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line because you're usually hunting
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like an arkansas mud flat so you can't hardly mud your blind enough,
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so he's just laying whites on backboards about the most comfortable spot you
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definitely need sunscreen in arkansas i got sun poisoning one year in my eyes one shot,
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oh man you got sun poisoning yeah it was pretty bad oh we drove through the,
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down there in st louis and I got out to take a leak and the bathroom was around
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back if that tells you anything and there's a couple guys that didn't even want
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to mess with me because I look terrible.
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That doesn't even sound fun. No, it was miserable.
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So I guess also like land or water, like your favorite style,
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like in a field or hunting water over floaters?
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It depends because down there you hunt sheet water. And then up here,
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of course, we hunt a little of both.
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I mean, we have our full body spread on usually a pond set up.
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And then we have our sock spread that we chase, whatever we want to hunt, like a field wise.
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So that's helpful. I would always like, I don't know, I just like hunting the water.
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Like, fields are fun, but I don't know, something different about seeing a duck
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or a goose do it over a lake or a pond or sheet water, any of that. Yeah.
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Depends on the water and the mud, though, because shooting that many snow geese
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and chasing all those cripples kind of sucks.
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Yeah. I mean, there's only so many a dog can go get it before it's tired.
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What about you, Zach, ZB? What's your preferred style? Land,
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water, whatever? I would say it depends on the state.
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Fair enough if you're hunting Iowa what are you hunting pond migratory spread for sure and I'm.
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You what's your best day in Iowa you've had hmm,
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I think mine is and that was we were running and gunning I think 65,
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I bet yeah that's probably mine too it's a pile of dirt 65,
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that's kind of and they did it dirty all those do you guys clean all the snow
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geese you kill or do you guys like give some to farmers or whatever no we we
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breast them all out for sure and then Zach makes his famous brats He's got brats for days.
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I know the feeling. If anybody needs some. What kind of brats did you make this year?
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Jalapeno cheddar. That's my go-to. Yeah, actually jalapenos.
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I did it a little bit different this year. I put jalapenos from my garden from last year in them.
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I diced them up and grinded them up with those. Organic. Straight farm to table.
34:08
Look at this guy. Speaking of farms, Cody, I heard you got quite the farm going on.
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Oh, yeah. We got goats, turkeys, chickens, quail. Quite the funny farm.
34:17
Oh, my God. You screw all those?
34:19
Huh? You screw all those or just the goats?
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Just the goats. They screw each other. I was like, quail is making me a little nervous.
34:31
Do you guys prefer hunting with or without dogs when you hunt snows?
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Definitely with. Absolutely, you got to have a dog. Yeah.
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No two-legged retrieves for you guys? Oh, there is plenty of that, too. Yeah.
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Yeah. I can't imagine shooting that many birds in sheet water,
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just mud up past your ankles.
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Trying to get that in the words. With Arkansas, the sand, the sand gets in your
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gun and really just gums everything, which is a downfall, but... Yes, it does.
35:07
Do not miss the gun cleaning sessions I used to have at sometimes midnight or
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one o'clock in the morning after setting the 2000 fucking full-body spread.
35:16
Well, that's because you only clean your gun once a year now that you're here.
35:21
No, no. You clean your gun once a year?
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I clean my gun all the time. Yeah. They usually just try to hold it under the
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water and cycle the action a few times.
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And then spray WD-40 on it. Hey, as long as it cycles and shoots,
35:35
it doesn't matter. It's fine. True.
35:38
Speaking of guns, what's your go-to gun, Cody?
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SX4. I've got two of them usually in the field next to me during snow view season. My guy.
35:49
ZB Kitchens, I know, has been making the slow switch over.
35:54
We'll see. He's 100, yeah. I usually rock the Benelli and then I have the SX2
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next to me. And the SX2 usually is tried and true when the Benelli goes click.
36:05
Hate to say it. There it is. I hate to say it. I know all you guys,
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everybody I hunt with, they give me shit all the time. But I don't know. I just can't put it down.
36:18
You know, you've been fighting that Benelli click for a long time now.
36:21
You ought to just throw it in the lake and forget about it and go buy yourself an Ice-X4.
36:26
Well, I made the bad call this year and bought an M2 as well.
36:29
So just for snow view season when I went to Arkansas and first time I went up
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and pulled up on a group, it cycled two times and then didn't fire after.
36:39
Do you just like punishing yourself?
36:43
Some days, yeah. And if you want to ask Cody, I probably yell at my gun almost
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every time we go out, at least once or twice.
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And if he doesn't, I usually yell at him to change guns. Yeah, that is true.
36:56
And there's probably a lot more birds that could have been killed if my gun
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didn't go click. I will agree to that statement.
37:02
Well, at least you agree to it. You are one of the only Benelli guys that admits
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to the Benelli click being a problem.
37:09
Yeah, this next year I'm going to fix all my springs. I'm going to redo all
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of them and put heavier springs in everything.
37:17
That should help. I've done a lot of research in this off season,
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and I think that's what I'm going to do and see if it makes a difference.
37:24
What if it doesn't? Then can you throw it in the lake? I will probably retire
37:28
both Benelis and keep them for duck season only because every time I'm duck
37:33
hunting or goose hunting, they cycle through the first three shots because you
37:37
can only have three, obviously.
37:39
But when you put that extension tube on it, I don't know what it is.
37:44
Speaking of extension tubes Have you guys ever heard of the X-Rail?
37:48
Or ever used one? Used to hold, what was it, 25 shells?
37:52
I've seen them I'd like to buy one Do they still make them?
37:57
No, they do not I remember the hams used to have those in all their guns The Max Rails.
38:04
And it looked wicked That had to be heavy A whole box of shells in the palm of your hand,
38:09
Yeah, I'm sure Go ahead I was going to say I know with having 12 It's pretty
38:15
heavy alone It takes a lot of recoil away though too.
38:21
It's heavy. What brand do you guys have?
38:25
I don't know much about extension tubes because I don't Snuggish Sun anymore,
38:29
ever. But is there certain brands that are better than others on extension tubes?
38:34
I mean, I think a lot of them guys, from what I read and everything, Nordic's pretty good.
38:40
I haven't personally used one. I just have a bunch of Carlson ones that I have.
38:45
Carlson's pretty respectable on all of his stuff.
38:48
I've got one Nordic component on my 13 round, but my eight round is a Carlson.
38:57
So we talked about dogs or no dogs and layouts or whites. How do you guys feel
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about the pressure levels in certain areas with not just the outfitters,
39:05
but also just all the people that do freelance snow goose hunting nowadays and travel doing it?
39:09
I mean, there's so many different people or so many people nowadays that travel,
39:14
for waterfowl hunting in general, not just ducks, geese, and whatever.
39:18
But how has that affected you guys through the past years?
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I don't think it's affected us much at all. I mean, there's guys that just don't
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have any formation to their spread. No different than Canada goose hunting.
39:29
I mean, they look like a blob out there and they don't look realistic and they're
39:33
either going to kill geese or they're not.
39:35
How much of it is like a setup compared to being on the spot?
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Like not, maybe not the X if you're on in traffic, obviously, or migrators.
39:43
How much is it set up that affects your hunt compared to just,
39:46
because obviously you're running an e-collar. So, I mean, there's a little bit
39:49
of talent that goes into like running an e-collar correctly,
39:53
but also the spread is probably your biggest part on if you're going to pull
39:57
them down or not, finish them.
39:59
Yeah, definitely. There was, for instance, now in Arkansas, one time there was
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a roost, Oh, about 500 yards away.
40:07
And we had a strong North wind. It was to the West of us. So we set up next
40:10
to it and they just trickled in one by onesies and twosies all day.
40:14
And that was probably my favorite hunt.
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There was a spread just North of us and they weren't killing nothing. Like a mile.
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Yeah. It makes you feel good about yourself when something like that happens.
40:26
Yeah, especially when they came out there. Go ahead. Sorry. No, go ahead.
40:31
I was going to say, it makes you feel good, especially when they come down the
40:35
road, that's dead-end road when we're leaving, and say, you guys shoot them really close.
40:41
If it was Zach's choice, he wouldn't shoot them close. He'd shoot them at 80,
40:44
but I prefer them under 30.
40:48
Yeah, I imagine if Cade was here, he'd be like, yeah, I'd prefer the 82. Yeah, no doubt.
40:57
Saw some jump shooters we talked about that earlier a little bit depends on
41:00
where you're at arkansas is pretty bad with jump shooters but,
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i feel like birds get stale once they get up here and jump shooters kind of
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help us around here kind of help push the birds around really yeah make room for new ones,
41:15
what about you austin what do you got what do you got to ask these guys anything
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i can't hear tyler now oh great he can't hear you i know i can hear everybody else but tyler.
41:26
Nothing really to ask you just more so of a funny story like,
41:31
the first time ever experiencing anything snow goose related was in north dakota,
41:37
last year had obviously hunted with zach like multiple times before then never
41:43
saw that dude like with an ounce of excitement
41:46
dude we pull up to this massive feed of snows and he looked like he was a 10
41:51
year old kid on christmas just amped And I'm like,
41:55
dude, all right, like this, like this must be really cool.
41:59
I can't wait. And it was cool. Like it was a, it was a cool experience to be
42:03
able to go out there and, and obviously see that side of things and pile up
42:08
a whole bunch of snows out there too. But yeah.
42:11
If you think he gets excited, you should see me. I at least throw up at least
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a couple times before I get into the blind or lay down.
42:18
That's the commitment that we need. Oh, yeah.
42:21
Zach, I'm going to need to see you throw up a couple times this year.
42:28
Yeah. I don't throw up like Cody does. Cody gets really excited. Yeah.
42:34
There's sometimes you just know if you're going to get him good,
42:39
and that's usually when Cody gets a little anxious and he starts puking,
42:42
and then you know it's going to be a good day. That's awesome.
42:46
I don't know. Zach threw up quite a bit that night in the cabin.
42:51
Yes. Yeah, no, he did for sure.
42:57
Yeah, he said that you threw up quite a bit that night in the cabin. Yes, yes, I did.
43:04
Yeah, not my proudest moment. That's all right.
43:08
The best part was he had no idea that he did it until he woke up and he's like
43:11
he kept finding more spots that he threw up in yeah I could not believe we just
43:17
kept turning corners in that cabin like,
43:20
one bedroom one bathroom cabin four dudes in there just keep turning corners finding puke,
43:28
gross has he done that to you Cody on a trip yet just threw up everywhere randomly,
43:33
what do you say I can hear you now,
43:36
has he ever thrown up on you randomly anywhere like on your guys' trips getting
43:40
hammered no I cheated his ass one time about getting drunk and hunting the next
43:45
morning because he's a dick.
43:50
Did you see Kara's comment? No, I did not. Yeah, she said, take all the brats. We have too many.
43:58
So we'll be over for a shipment of them for sure.
44:03
Yeah, I'm actually getting ready to take some, I think, to Milo and get some
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patties made. Go drop them all off at Cody's house.
44:11
Cody, you got the storage? I got two deep crangers. Zach, can you still not hear me?
44:19
No, I don't think he can. Yeah, no shot. I was going to say,
44:23
how can I get this so then it refreshes, I guess?
44:28
I don't know if he just left the chat. That's going to work really well. Yeah. I don't know.
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There he is. I can hear you now, Tyler. Oh, yay. Woo-hoo.
44:42
As soon as we start to roll into our closing moments. Right.
44:46
I guess before we kind of start wrapping this up, what are some tips and or
44:51
tricks that you guys can use or tell people that you guys have found to be successful
44:55
without giving away your secrets to it? Scout.
44:59
Scout and pay attention to detail if you need wind.
45:04
For me, stay under the flight line. You got to see where they're going and stay under them.
45:12
Scouting goes a long ways for everything, really, honestly. I think it's One
45:17
of the biggest things When it comes to hunting If you want to be Successful,
45:20
Yeah And your hide I mean that's all Waterfowl though Yeah Um,
45:25
Yeah, well.
45:28
Sometimes it's a little bit of luck. Sometimes it's just skill and making sure
45:34
you're hitting and putting the time and effort into scouting, really.
45:38
But, I mean, there's a lot of times where I take a gamble and hunt somewhere
45:42
and it's like, well, that really worked out.
45:44
Every hunt you learn something new, too. I mean, that's what the most fun about
45:47
it is. You never know everything. Right.
45:51
Well, we really appreciate you guys coming on today. It's been good to chat with you guys.
45:57
Mr. Newendorp texted me and said that the storms got too bad where he was,
46:00
so he had to leave the chat. His internet was cutting out too much.
46:05
Well, thanks for having us. Sorry, my internet's Walmart connection over here. And that Kmart Wi-Fi.
46:12
Yeah, something like that.
46:14
That happens, though. We've all been there. Pookie has a Kmart laptop he can't figure out. I do, yeah.
46:21
It's my wife's actually, so make fun of her, not me. I don't have one.
46:26
Well, she set it up today and it worked just fine, so I don't know what your
46:29
problem is. Yeah. Yeah, me and Tyler were able to do it the other night just fine too.
46:35
She's the brains of this operation. I just make us look good.
46:39
Let's not get carried away.
46:43
Well. But yeah, no, it's been fun. Appreciate you guys coming on once again
46:48
and hopefully we gotta do some hunting again this, this year sometime.
46:54
I know, I know we haven't got to hunt yet together, Cody. We talked about it
46:57
at Zach's wedding a little bit. So hopefully this year at some point we can
47:00
get together and get on in. Definitely.
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But that'll wrap up this episode of the duck palace podcast.
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47:25
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