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Best of Brian Thomas - 01 02 26 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Good to have in studio detective retired detective Jim Grindle,
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  Speaker 1: who's written a book Homicide Investigation. In the interview, Jim,
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  Speaker 1: good to have you in studio and to be able
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  Speaker 1: to see you face to face and talk with you.
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  Speaker 1: And let me start by thanking you for your storied
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  Speaker 1: career in law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I definitely appreciate that. Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Happy to do it, man, And I told you before
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  Speaker 1: when the mics came on. It's been my experience in
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  Speaker 1: my coming up on sixty years that if you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: across the table with a retired police officer or an
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  Speaker 1: active police officer enjoying a beer, they're the best people
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  Speaker 1: to talk with because they have the most outlangius and
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  Speaker 1: crazy stories, real things that happened that never happened to
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  Speaker 1: anybody else because of, you know, being involved with the
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  Speaker 1: criminal element. It's just it's crazy what you have to
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  Speaker 1: deal with over the years.
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  Speaker 2: We have a lot of fun with the stories, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I bet now you are not really retired right
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  Speaker 1: now as I understand.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, my career started back in nineteen seventy nine. Actively
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  Speaker 2: retired in twenty thirteen, following twenty one years in investingations.
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  Speaker 2: The spring Town Police Department has a program which allows
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  Speaker 2: officers to come back and work in an auxiliary position.
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  Speaker 2: We don't do any active enforcement, but we do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the paper pushing and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, fair enough, but you got it assaulted by a
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  Speaker 1: fourteen year old the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was autistic, And is this in the line
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  Speaker 2: of duty?
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  Speaker 1: This happened?
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  Speaker 2: This was an off duty detail, okay, And he was
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  Speaker 2: a regular at the church that we go to and
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  Speaker 2: he was just having an episode.
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  Speaker 1: I understand, Look, you were an out serving award or
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, And it wasn't intentional on his part.
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe either.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well that's good. Well, let's pivot over to
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  Speaker 1: the homicide investigation. The interview. Explain to my listeners what
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  Speaker 1: this book consists of, Jim.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the book starts, well, basically, the reason for the
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  Speaker 2: book was is during the interview, the individual portrayed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of body language that was beyond just your normal interviews.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much displayed everything that you can actually display during
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  Speaker 2: an interview. And I always thought, man, I'd be great
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  Speaker 2: for a book. So, so body language is indicating a guilt, right, Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's basically a nonverbal communication, you know, through body posturing,
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  Speaker 2: facial expressions, movements, things of that nature. And you know
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  Speaker 2: that it's a lot about signs of deception or that
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  Speaker 2: they're not being truthful and during the interview.
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  Speaker 1: So I imagine a young detective or someone in law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement who's going to be interviewing suspects could learn a
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  Speaker 1: lot from this.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I would hope.
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  Speaker 1: So I asks maybe one of the points you of
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  Speaker 1: your of your putting the book together.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the book's got a lot of clips in there
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  Speaker 2: showing when I talk about the different kind of language
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  Speaker 2: that he's portraying. It's there in the book. And there's
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  Speaker 2: also a two hour interview in its entirety that could
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  Speaker 2: be watched as well.
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  Speaker 1: All right, how how many years experience did you have
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  Speaker 1: at the time you interviewed this suspect?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe as a police officer, about thirteen year, fourteen years?
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  Speaker 1: Because as I understand it, and here you can be
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  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. I mean, there's a real
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  Speaker 1: skill in an art form to getting information out of witnesses.
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  Speaker 2: I would agree with that. Basically, you pretty much got
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  Speaker 2: to sit down as if we know each other and
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  Speaker 2: once they get a little trust in you, they're more
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  Speaker 2: apt to talk to you and tell you things that
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  Speaker 2: you need to know.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So being a bad cops not a good
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  Speaker 1: idea under these circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: It works for the good cops.
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  Speaker 1: It works for the good cops. No, But is this
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  Speaker 1: a learned skill? Like do you sit in a class,
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  Speaker 1: a cadet training class or some other follow up, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a continuing police education class to learn what you need
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  Speaker 1: to do and how you need to conduct yourself the
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  Speaker 1: best interview witnesses and get information out of them.
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  Speaker 2: There are classes. I tell a lot of people that
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  Speaker 2: are in this kind of you know job to watch
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  Speaker 2: everybody's interviews and learn what you like about their approach,
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  Speaker 2: what works for them, and then kind of develop that
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  Speaker 2: into your own. The big thing with interview you gotta
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of patience. You got to you know,
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  Speaker 2: get a report with the individuals. And I feel that
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  Speaker 2: once people feel trusted with you, they people want to
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  Speaker 2: brag about themselves, So it's not hard to get a
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  Speaker 2: confession once you get that response, you know through them.
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  Speaker 1: Is there have you learned over the years of me
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  Speaker 1: Is there certain certain psychological profile that kind of fits
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  Speaker 1: people who would commit very dangerous acts. I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: is no one size fits all, or do they sort
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  Speaker 1: of fall into a.
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  Speaker 4: Pattern if I if I can call it that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've sat down with people who you think absolutely could
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  Speaker 2: not have done something like this and find out they did.
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  Speaker 2: My philosophy is always, you know, I assume everybody's guilty
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  Speaker 2: until I prove am innocent. So that way I'm not
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  Speaker 2: lazy about what I do.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Now, how much advanced work do you have
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  Speaker 1: to do before you're interviewing someone? Evidence gathering, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the crime scene information photographs? Do you use all that
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  Speaker 1: incorporated in your interview or you just kind of hit
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  Speaker 1: the ground running with it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in this case here, I kind of spent a
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  Speaker 2: two days to getting prepared because there was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of paperwork involved in it, and when I do the
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  Speaker 2: interview that that stuff is on my table. I use
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  Speaker 2: a lot of that as props. There's actually there's times
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  Speaker 2: where I will take out photographs of the victim or
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  Speaker 2: of things that are uncomfortable source being sure, and I
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  Speaker 2: will leave them out there and during the interview just
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  Speaker 2: kind of watch his response and how he reacts to
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  Speaker 2: the photographs and stuff that are sitting in front of him.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's turn specifically to the subject matter of
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  Speaker 1: the interview in your book, Homicide Investigation. The interview, what
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  Speaker 1: was he what was he suspected of?
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  Speaker 2: When you were interviewing, Well, there was a robbery that
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  Speaker 2: occurred involving three Hispanic males in an apartment complex there
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  Speaker 2: in Springdale. After that robbery occurred and the fleeing of
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  Speaker 2: that vehicle, an individual shot. He's actually one of the
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  Speaker 2: people that was, you know, involved in the actual robbery.
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  Speaker 2: So basically it's an accidental shooting by bad guy in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: That would only basically be, you know, an accidental accident shooting.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact they're leaving a homicide or a robber,
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  Speaker 2: I should say, it would make a felony. And therefore,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: And anybody involved in the crime where the homicide happens
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  Speaker 1: is himself or herself also going to be charged with
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  Speaker 1: that homicide.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct, And the purpose of the interview was one
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  Speaker 2: to establish they were involved in the actual robbery and
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  Speaker 2: who actually fired the round that killed Lamar.
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  Speaker 1: And I presume at the outset of the interview, The
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  Speaker 1: guy denied even being there.
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  Speaker 2: This was a two hour or tenmide interview, and it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't until about an hour and a half into it
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  Speaker 2: that we actually got something out of him that put
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  Speaker 2: him there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, what was your first indication that you had
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  Speaker 1: the right guy?
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  Speaker 2: What do he said?
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  Speaker 5: Down?
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  Speaker 6: Down?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the reason I say that is the work had
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  Speaker 2: already been done, The search works were done. We had
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  Speaker 2: text messaging, and we had phone records, so when we
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  Speaker 2: said down, we pretty much knew everything we were going
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  Speaker 2: to be asking him.
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  Speaker 1: Then, Okay, well, when confronted with hard evidence like well,
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  Speaker 1: here's your cell phone and here's the text information, back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. And this is why it's relevant to this
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  Speaker 1: particular case, how does someone just deny that?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 1: I presume it's some measure of the guy denied it.
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  Speaker 2: No, he denied strong, strong denials with his non involvement
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  Speaker 2: of it. But and actually it's kind of interesting that
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  Speaker 2: the photograph is sitting in front of him. He actually
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  Speaker 2: turns around and actually points out and says she did it,
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  Speaker 2: and starts actually pointing on the photograph.
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  Speaker 1: I supaid, that's rather damning. Under the circumstances, he can't
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  Speaker 1: say you weren't there and then identify someone who was
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  Speaker 1: involved with it if you weren't there.
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  Speaker 2: That don't work very well.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't work well. So what's a guy's reaction like that?
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  Speaker 1: When he pointed out to him, he's denied it, denied it,
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  Speaker 1: and then he points to the photograph, said, she did it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, did you see? Well, wait a second, you
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  Speaker 1: said you weren't there. How is it you know she
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  Speaker 1: did it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the other problem was who was driving the car,
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  Speaker 2: who actually fired around? So at this point he claims
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  Speaker 2: now that he's the driver of the car and had
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  Speaker 2: nothing to do with actually firing around that killed him.
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  Speaker 1: But truly that doesn't really matter under the circumstances because
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  Speaker 1: again he was involved.
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  Speaker 4: In the crime.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what is one of the more interesting sort of
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  Speaker 1: developments during this interview that you knew you had the
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  Speaker 1: right guy? I guess because I'm just kind of wondering
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  Speaker 1: how this all unfolds.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when he first sits down and everything, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the two of them were best friends. They grew up
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  Speaker 2: in school together at Princeton. The person was actually killed
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  Speaker 2: was an upcoming football sensation. They thought he'd make it
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  Speaker 2: actually to the NFL, and he played off the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they were great, you know, great friends and everything,
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  Speaker 2: and when the shooting took place. Lamar didn't actually pass
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  Speaker 2: the night of the shooting. It was a couple of
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  Speaker 2: days thereafter. And this individual would actually stay with the family,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as a friend and everything else, and he
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  Speaker 2: had no idea that he was actually part of the
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  Speaker 2: homicide while he was living with an asshold.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a huge supporter of law enforcement. You know that
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  Speaker 1: we've already talked about it, and I think you were
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  Speaker 1: aware from listening to the show. My sister retired from
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinni Police Department after twenty five years of career
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  Speaker 1: in law enforcement. Your perception of what's going on now,
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  Speaker 1: we have a difficult time in recruiting police officers now.
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  Speaker 1: The defund the police. The police are all a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of racists. You know, that kind of narrative has permeated
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  Speaker 1: through the society our since a police departments down one
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty officers. They're losing more and more every day.
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  Speaker 1: I know they got some classes lined up and they're
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  Speaker 1: trying to do it some lateral hires. What's your take
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  Speaker 1: on law enforcement right now? You know, for someone out
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  Speaker 1: there that maybe consider for a career. And do you
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  Speaker 1: think things have kind of run off the rails as
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  Speaker 1: we exist in a society here relative to our perceptional
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: Well, from when I started in nineteen eighty, things have
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  Speaker 2: come a long way. And I say that not in
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  Speaker 2: a good way. When you got law enforcement back then,
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  Speaker 2: it was a brotherhood. It was something you they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to do. Now it's a job for just money. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: people come and get to work. You know, I see
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  Speaker 2: people turning down details to pay fifty five sixty dollars
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  Speaker 2: an hour. There's not a strong brotherhood like there used
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  Speaker 2: to be. And it's like you said that with the
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  Speaker 2: courts and what they're doing now with the people that
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  Speaker 2: are you know, I think what they do is they
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  Speaker 2: protect mostly the bad people and the people that are
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  Speaker 2: good people. It's just don't work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in your motivation to go into law enforcement, I
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  Speaker 1: suppose comes out of your sense of community. You want
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  Speaker 1: to help the community. You want to you know, get
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  Speaker 1: the bad guys and see the justices served well.
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  Speaker 2: With everything said like that, here I am forty four
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  Speaker 2: years later and I still enjoy it like it was
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  Speaker 2: the day one for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, one sense of community doesn't disappear with age.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can become jaded and cynical, but it's
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  Speaker 1: the reason you entered into law enforcement. And it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a shame that it's it's it's it's gotten the
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  Speaker 1: way it has. And you're right, I said, the the
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  Speaker 1: core to the justice system, the key, you know, leg
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  Speaker 1: on the stool of the justice system is holding people
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  Speaker 1: accountable and and and you know, punishing them for their crimes.
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  Speaker 1: It acts as a deterrent so that others do not
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  Speaker 1: do it. He's that person's held as an example. Look
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  Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you if you do the
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  Speaker 1: same damn thing, So you're not inclined to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to go to jail, for God's sake.
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  Speaker 1: It's enough of a determ for me to just keep
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  Speaker 1: my nose clean my entire life. But if you take
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  Speaker 1: that away, things runningm uck.
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  Speaker 2: Well. And with that said, I mean, I've worked with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of great people. My career wouldn't be like
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  Speaker 2: it is without the people I worked side by side with.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean there's a lot of good people out
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  Speaker 2: there and a lot of them have the same feelings
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  Speaker 2: I do that this is a great career. I still
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  Speaker 2: recommend it to people.
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  Speaker 4: Good for you. I'm glad so.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what you put into it. I mean, if
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  Speaker 2: you go into it with a you know, where you
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  Speaker 2: get along with people, you like to work with people,
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  Speaker 2: it'll work for.
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  Speaker 4: You, right.
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  Speaker 1: And no one's going to tell anybody it's an easy job,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure, but it can be very rewarding.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Jim, It's been a real pleasure talking with you. Thank
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  Speaker 1: for putting it down on paper and letting us enjoy
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  Speaker 1: and learn from your experience as a law enforcement officer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure. Have a wonderful weekend, sir.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pleased to welcome to the fifty five CARSC Morning Show.
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  Speaker 1: Book you can get on my blog page fifty five
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  Speaker 1: krs dot com like Swans by our local author Susie
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  Speaker 1: Kahin Susy, Welcome to the program. It's great to have
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  Speaker 1: you on this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm honored to be here. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm honored to have you on. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: you could be quite an inspiration to some other folks.
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  Speaker 1: In the listening audience. And I would like to put
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  Speaker 1: a plug in for Peter Bronson because his Chili Dog
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  Speaker 1: Press is a local publishing outfit and he is an
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  Speaker 1: extraordinary author in his own right. But let me first
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  Speaker 1: ask you what part of town are you and since
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  Speaker 1: you are described as a local author.
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  Speaker 3: Susie, I live in Sharonville.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, great, And you got a bit of a Brady
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  Speaker 1: Bunch situation going over your place.
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  Speaker 3: Well, our kids are all grown, so they actually never
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  Speaker 3: grew up together. Oh okay, but they get along great.
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  Speaker 3: So we're we have I have twin boys, and my
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  Speaker 3: husband has three daughters, so we're one short of the
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  Speaker 3: perfect baby bunch.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. I saw the description of your in your
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  Speaker 1: in the outline, and I just was chuckling to myself
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  Speaker 1: about that. You're also a flight attendant.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, be doing that from Doha last night, actually, oh
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  Speaker 3: wo And I was so nervous because you know, at
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  Speaker 3: the airport in Philadelphia is ams, there were so many
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  Speaker 3: delayed flights and I was like praying that I would
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  Speaker 3: get on the six o'clock because otherwise it would be
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  Speaker 3: a very late arrival. And with the jet lag and
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  Speaker 3: all that, I was like, I just want to feel
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  Speaker 3: good in the.
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  Speaker 1: Morning, you know, I understand that, And props to you
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  Speaker 1: and all of the flight attendants I talked to iHeartMedia
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  Speaker 1: aviation expert Jay Ratliffe every Thursday, and he is always
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  Speaker 1: reminding people that you're not stewardess is you're highly trained
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  Speaker 1: folks who were designed to deal with, you know, potentially
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  Speaker 1: terrible problems and need to be treated with much greater respect.
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  Speaker 1: So I can put in a word a positive word
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  Speaker 1: in for you and other flight attendants for the work
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  Speaker 1: that you do. All right, pivoting over your book, like Swans,
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  Speaker 1: what inspired you to write the book? We're can dive
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  Speaker 1: into the details of it and tell my listeners all
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  Speaker 1: about it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, my parents always, especially my mom, talked about how
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  Speaker 3: they escaped and life over there. And I wrote a
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  Speaker 3: short story about it in like nineteen eighty six, and
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  Speaker 3: my professors like, oh that, you know, that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: You should expound on that. Well, you know, then I
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  Speaker 3: had twins and got really busy and I was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: flying full time and my mother, though, was always like, no, physy,
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  Speaker 3: what are you gonna write that book? And it was
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  Speaker 3: a lifelong dream and when COVID came about. The silver
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  Speaker 3: lining of COVID for me was having an eighteen month
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  Speaker 3: leave where I could sit down. Michael, my husband said, okay,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can write your book now, and I
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  Speaker 3: knew I had no more excuses, so I sat down
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  Speaker 3: and worked, you know, very hard. It was really a
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  Speaker 3: labor of love. It was the hardest thing I've had
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  Speaker 3: to ever do because when I was writing it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we had so much censorship going on, and it just
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  Speaker 3: reminded me of what my parents talked about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you said over there. The over there you were
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  Speaker 1: talking about is Czechoslovakia with post communists when the Communists
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  Speaker 1: were in charge.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it was like in nineteen sixty six was one
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: day escaped. So sorry if we got that small detail,
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: but it's okay. Yeah. So they you know, told me
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: about how everything was still controlled, and that's how I
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: felt that everything was controlled, you know, information about COVID
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: and then how we could live, what we could do,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: you know, we had to wear masks. Uh.
• 15:51
  Speaker 7: It was just it was just really weird.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I can't even but see that's the See, I've found
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of positive of about COVID and know
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you're illustrating one of them. I think the people will
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: be less inclined to just sort of prostrate themselves before
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: whatever directive from some random governor says about where you
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: can be and what you can't do. In spite of
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the fact that we have amendments of the Constitution which
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: project protect these liberties and freedoms, it's as if the
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Constitution was eradicated, and it did feel a lot like, say,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Czechoslovaki are under the under the Soviet Union, because I've
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: read a lot of Mulan Candera, and I believe that's
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: where he is from, and he's written about it. One
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: of the one of the books of the note he
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: made or the joke I think was the name of it.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: He made some sort of random joke about one of
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the Soviet leaders and ended up getting unemployed and ostracized
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: just pri merely uttering a joke.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Brian, my mother got called into the local police station
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: for wearing a sweater that was bright and colorful.
• 16:56
  Speaker 8: Oh my god.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: They accused her of uh, you know, advertising Western propaganda.
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And that was really a blessing because my father had
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: spoken for years about you know, he said, you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: we need to leave things are getting worse and they're
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: they're not going to get better. But she didn't want
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: to leave her family. You know, they waited two years
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to get an apartment, she had to get an extra
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: part time job, and to you know, furnish it. Everything
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: was difficult. I mean there was just no easy path
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: for food, for furniture, and so she's like, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I don't want to leave. But that showed her that
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: someone in the neighborhood. There was every neighborhood like a
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: had a watch person, so you never knew who it was.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: And so she got called in because of this sweater
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: and that's the turn That was the turning point for her.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: You know, she knew that they had to get out.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's just frightening stuff. Now, is the book
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: about their story, in other words, a work of nonfiction
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: about their trials and tribulations and experiencing wife under communist
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Czechoslovakian and then ultimately leaving.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's it's I really wanted people to see why
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: you would want to leave a place like that. I mean,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: you know, waiting in line for food, people would get
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: in line if there was a line. They didn't even
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: know why. Oh wow, but they got in it because
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: it might be something good that they could sell. I mean,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: it was just like a weird sci fi and we're
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: living in almost but it was if the book is
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: a love story and a thriller, because you know their escape.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, of course, you know they did make it,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: but just the way it all happened, it was really
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: God's intervention, I believe, because just the way everything I
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: don't want to give too much away, No, no, you
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: know how it all came about. That they were actually
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: able to get out well really amazing because many people
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: weren't able.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: To well in an oppressive regime like Czechoslovakia during the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Soviet days. You mentioned the emotional struggle of deciding to leave,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: because in spite of how bad things are, you have
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: all these emotional ties not just to the land, but
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: also to your community and your friends. But once they
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: made the decision to leave, was it was it difficult?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Did they have to you know, steal out of the
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: country under cover of darkness or be snuck out or
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: could they Did they work through some approval process?
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: No, they tried to get approval. I mean my dad
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: had approval, you know, put in for years, but they
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: never got it because my father, my mom's dad, was
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: a capitalist. He had a trucking company and so he
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: was on their like blacklist, and so my mother wasn't
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: allowed to go to college. She was She actually wanted to.
• 19:59
  Speaker 9: Be the flight attendant.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: That was her lifelong dream, which is so ironic because
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I never that wasn't in my you know of you
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: at all, and I got it by just sheer chance.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: And so my I don't know where was I. They
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: escaped because my mom got permission to take me out
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: of the country to Yugoslavia because I had a lot
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: of ear issues and the doctor was like, oh, you
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: need to go by the sea because the air is
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: much better. And then my dad, last like a last
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: minute thing, got a trip to Milan. He was an engineer,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: and so he had a business trip to Milan because
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: one of the boss's sons was ill. I mean, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: usually only the people in the party were allowed to travel,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: but this was some big job and my dad was
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: given permission to go normally because he would not sign
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: on the communist party line. He refused, and so he
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: knew that, you know, something was going to give. I mean,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: they weren't going to let him just get away with
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: that forever, and that's why he knew he had you know,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: they had to get out of there.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Wow, So they were on.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: They took the same train out of Prague, got to
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Austria Vienna, and did not go on their separate trains
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: to their final destinations. They stayed there and my dad
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: had had family there that they actually didn't even know
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: if they were still alive because they never got the letter,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: a letter, you know, in response to their letter. But
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you know, it just worked out for them that they were.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you wrote this because this may give
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: people something they truly need, is to pause and consider
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the freedoms that we enjoy in the face of a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: country that won't let you leave. I just can't imagine
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: being in that environment. And I've heard a lot of
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: stories like this over the years. Think the people tried
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to get out of Berlin and had to, you know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: go through the wall or under the law or or
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: law risk getting machine gunned down for even endeavoring to leave.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: This is a great story, and I guess.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: You're conism was so great. Why would people go right?
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I was gonna say earlier in your
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: in your breadline comments like whatever happened to from each
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: according his ability, each according to his need. How come
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: it's so hard to get an apartment in a communist country?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: This is all summed it up like Swan's my local
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: author guest today, Sussy, it's been a pleasure talking with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: the Susi Khan.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Like Swan.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: You can get it on my blog page fifty five
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: cars dot Com. Encourage people to do that and then
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: pause and reflect on what we've got here, everybody, really
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: inspirational Friday on the heels of the spirit of a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: true Patriot, which, of course author Douglas Ernest was very,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: very very profound man of faith. I'm happy to welcome
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to the fifty five Cars Morning Show author of All
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: for his Glory, the Near Death Experience of a modern
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: day job, Pastor David Scarlett. Pastor David, is a pleasure
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to have you on the fifty five Case Morning Show today.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: Well, thank you for having me.
• 23:10
  Speaker 9: It's a pleasure.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Well, and my father had a dear friend of his
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: who was a I think he was a hard surgeon.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: He was a physician of some sort who ended up
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: on the operating table and died. And they brought him back.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But when he died, he had one of those post
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: death experiences, and he was in the operating room looking
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: down on the operating table where he was lying. And
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: my recollection is he met his mom who had passed
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: prior to his passing, and had this unbelievable post death experience,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: only to be revived by the wonderful physicians who were
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: taking great care of him at the time, and from
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that point forward he didn't have a care or worry
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: in the world. My understanding is something comparable that happened
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to you. You were a former US marine and you're
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: telecommunications executive and also founder of His Glory Ministry. Tell
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: my listeners about your story in brief, which of course
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to read about in your book.
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's exactly, well, very similar to what you just described.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: I was the least likely, still in the least likely
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: person on the face of ear to be a pastor
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: and run a ministry that reaches twenty five million people
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: in every country of the world. But God had a
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: different plan. I rose the corporate ladder after being a marine,
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: a three director of three Portramo in of our companies,
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: lots of ego lots of money, and the Lord had
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: a different plan. So on seven seven seven, I got
• 24:31
  Speaker 9: a bad chili dog which had botulism toxin and I
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: ended up dying three times. The first time that they
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: put me into the Cleveland Clinic was Friday the thirteenth.
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: I died that night, but I didn't have a near
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: death experience. They revived me to put me on a
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: breathing tube, and then they tried to pull the plug again,
• 24:47
  Speaker 9: and that's when I went to have it. I immediately
• 24:50
  Speaker 9: saw the panic on the doctor's look on their faces.
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: And when you're in the Cleveland clinic, I see you,
• 24:55
  Speaker 9: and you see the Cleveland Clinic doctor's panic, you know
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: it's probably not good. And pain. There was no pain,
• 25:01
  Speaker 9: There was no anxiety. Life took me up to the heaven,
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: saw the beauty of heaven. This just unbelievable, joy, peace, love, pictures.
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: Everything was more vivid than we ever see here on
• 25:15
  Speaker 9: the earth. Everything was more of The music was music
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: that I've never heard ever. He showed me these beautiful
• 25:22
  Speaker 9: mahogany pictures of my life from the time I was
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: born to the time to the age. So I had
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: to be dead for I was in having probably ten
• 25:31
  Speaker 9: fifteen minutes, maybe more, but I think I was only
• 25:34
  Speaker 9: clinically dead for two or three minutes. And he showed
• 25:37
  Speaker 9: me a couple of key things in those pictures. First,
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: those pictures were never taken in my entire life. Those
• 25:42
  Speaker 9: are pictures that he took. He showed that in heaven.
• 25:45
  Speaker 9: Those pictures were perfect, because heaven is perfect. But he
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: later told me that my report card was empty. There
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: was nothing I did good for him in those pictures.
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: So he brought me back and I was just couldn't
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: believe I'd just experienced having They stabilized me. And just
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: as I'm coming back, I said, I didn't see Jesus
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: when I was in habit. I said, Lord, I want
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: to see Jesus. I prayed that because I couldn't talk.
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: And before I even got that prayer, right at the
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: end of my bed was the Messiah Jesus, and he
• 26:14
  Speaker 9: was just glowing, beautiful, beautiful blue eyes and just absolutely love, peace, joy, hope,
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: and just over took the room. So I knew exactly
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: what you said that. I had no fear from that
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: point on. And then it went really bad. I had
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: five surgeries, woke up in the stomach, surgery right, well,
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: they're operating on me. Collapse, along, pneumonia, you name it.
• 26:36
  Speaker 9: It happened just barely hanging on. They finally got me
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: stable to pull the plug again, and as soon as
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: they did, they had all the top doctors and there's
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: probably thirty of the top doctors of the Cleveland kind
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: of watching this time to make sure nothing would go wrong.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: And sure enough, as soon as that happened, it started
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: cold blue, cold blue beeping, and I went up. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: hovered above them, exactly the way you just vibe in
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: the hospital room, and I saw them and they were panicking,
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: and I said, Lord, I feel fine, I feel your love,
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: your joy. I don't why are they panicking? And he said,
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: my son, I'm going to bring it back. You're going
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: to start a ministry called by my name, his lord,
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: You're going to come out of the world, and it'd
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: be used for me. And again, being a director at
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: AT and T, and I was the least likely person
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: to come back to drop everything and do that for him.
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: And he brought me back. And later there was a
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: nurse that was kind of mocking this, saying, you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: I'm not sure if you really experienced this, and then
• 27:33
  Speaker 9: I overheard two doctors that were in the room, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: he says, whatever happened in that room, we've never seen
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: a light radiate from the top of his bed of
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: his bed before.
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  Speaker 1: So when I hear you hear the words, the peace
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: of God would fast as all human understanding. You actually
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: did experience a piece of God and do have an
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: understanding about what it is.
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: Oh yeah, it's absolutely amazing when you get that was
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: called in the Hebrew the shalom that peece. It can
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: only come from Him. You don't fear anything. You don't
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: fear death. People asked me to do you fear death?
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: Not at all. When it's time to go home, I'm
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: going home and I'm not worried about it. One bet.
• 28:13
  Speaker 9: The only thing different this time than the first time
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: is my report card's going to be full because I'm
• 28:18
  Speaker 9: going to do what he told me to do, be
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: a servant for him and to reach souls.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Well, David, were you a man of faith before this happened.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you experienced an enlightenment like few people
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: would ever understand going through this experience. But how deep
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: was your faith in your connection with your with your
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Christianity and your religion prior to this happening to you.
• 28:42
  Speaker 9: Well, I was raised. My mother was a prayer warrior.
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: She prayed for me many many years, twenty five years
• 28:47
  Speaker 9: until I would get to the point in my life
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: that I would pick up a Bible. So I thought
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: it was about me. If I was going to get there,
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: it's going to be my own doing. So I was
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: a nine one one Christian. I would only pray when
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: I was in trouble. As soon as the Lord got
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: me out of trouble, well, I went back to my
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: worldly ways.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It was like a cne Christian right Christmas in.
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: Eastern exactly, and probably not even that. It's just, you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: something that was good that I needed help with. And
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: once he helped me, I was out the door. But
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: I had a severe mentor a marital problem, and that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: in the book, and that shook me to my core
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: just before this near death experience, like if I wouldn't
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: have had that, that's what triggered me to say, wait
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: a minute, maybe it's not about me, Maybe I need
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: this search. And I got into the Bible, studied King David,
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: and then that started my walk. So I truly believe
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: that if that wouldn't have happened, I wouldn't have made
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: it to heaven. I thought I was saved, but I
• 29:41
  Speaker 9: was not saved.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: So since you talk about it in the book, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: guess I can ask you, perhaps was your marital issues
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: work related?
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: Perhaps?
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: Yes, I was a workaholic and my wife I took
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: over as a director for Ohio and had to move
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: my wife and young step daughter, and I was just
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: a workaholic and that created an affair on her part
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: that went really bad. And most people would have just left.
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: But I had a choice do I leave or do
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: I stay and humble myself? And how am I going
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: to get out of this? Because I was always able
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: to get out of things myself through the rising of
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: the corporate world, and I couldn't, so I had to
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: get on my knees and speak the Lord and that's
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: what started the process. And again, if that wouldn't happened,
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: I don't think I would have made it to happen.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Wow, and amazing what you've done with the ministry. And
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: if my listeners are interested in checking it out, it's
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: his glory dot M the growth of that. It's just
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Clearly you have been blessed. I would
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: imagine you were blessed in business, but your life wasn't fulfilled.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: This happened to you, Lord Almighty. I mean, you almost
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: ate a hot dog to die, and then you built
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: this amazing, huge church. I'm just reminded of if there
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: was a line from the movie Pappion a Steve McQueen
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and he was standing as a dream sequence and he's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: stand in front of a judge who says you are
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: guilty of a wasted life. Yeah, is that the kind
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: of thing when you're when you when you said that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you were told your report card was empty? Is it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: some sort of Was that that the kind of realization
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: or is that a way of summarizing how you felt
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: reflecting on your life.
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: That's that's exactly right. You know, you could be the
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: CEO of AT and T, you could create the iPhone.
• 31:30
  Speaker 9: At the end of the day, that doesn't impress God
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: and it doesn't matter. It's only what we do for
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: him once we accept them in our heart and become servants.
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: And that's hard for people to get up the corporate
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: ladder and to become a servant and give that all up.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: But that's that's why Satan was thrown out of heaven
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: is his pride. We have to get rid of pride.
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: God can't work with a pride, and once we get
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: rid of that pride and we can be used for
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: this purpose, he can do amazing things.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Pastor David, Scar's been a
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: real inspirational conversation. Have my listeners get a copy of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: your book. We'll put my blogman podcast page fifty five
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: carsee dot com all for his glory the near death
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: experience of a modern day job. You know, I'll tell
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you what. While you're uh, you're, you're, you're, you're dealing
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: with other of the of the deadly sins, figure out
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a way to get rid of the sin of envy.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I think that is the root of most all of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: society's problems. Yeah, I agree, David. It's been a pleasure
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: having you on the program. So keep up the great work,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and I'll encourage my listener to get a copy of
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the book and get inspired themselves. Mark Levin returns to
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  Speaker 1: the fifty five Case Morning Show, nationally syndicated talk radio
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  Speaker 1: show host The Mark Levin Show, host of leve N
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  Speaker 1: TV on the Blaze, host of the Fox News Channels Life,
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  Speaker 1: Liberty and Levin cher Emeritis of the Landmark Legal Foundation,
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  Speaker 1: author of Let's Count Them Eight, consecutive number one New
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  Speaker 1: York Times Best Tellers, Let's call it nine. Now with
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  Speaker 1: the new book on Power, welcome back to the fifty
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  Speaker 1: five Case Morning Show. Always a pleasure, Mark Levin.
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  Speaker 10: Brian, I love that interview. I'm calling again tomorrow anyway,
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  Speaker 10: I love the intro.
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  Speaker 1: Any time, my friend. I listen to you all the time,
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  Speaker 1: your Sunday show coming in. I have serious XM and
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  Speaker 1: I listen to Fox News on the way and love
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  Speaker 1: what you have to say. I appreciate your perspective and commentary. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in your book on Power, you discussed the concept of
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  Speaker 1: power extensively. That's the point of the book. How do
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  Speaker 1: you differentiate between legitimate political power and its abuse? You
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  Speaker 1: talk about the concept of positive power and negative power.
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  Speaker 10: Well, those are That's a great, great question. The book
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  Speaker 10: takes the word power and takes a very close look
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  Speaker 10: at it because I realized the battle in society and
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  Speaker 10: the culture and government and humanity is over power. I
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  Speaker 10: mean even in our personal lives psychologically in some cases,
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  Speaker 10: which is not where I go, but certainly when it
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  Speaker 10: comes to governance, and the Constitution is about power. The
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  Speaker 10: Declaration of Independence lays out what I call positive power,
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  Speaker 10: and then then there is the negative power. Positive power is,
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  Speaker 10: for example, in our country, it's the most unique country
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  Speaker 10: ever established ever. And why because this is a country
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  Speaker 10: that's based on the belief that got a sovereign Judeo
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  Speaker 10: Christian belief systems a fused with the Enlightenment. That is,
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  Speaker 10: we are the sovereign God's children. Now, how do we
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  Speaker 10: manifest that on earth? And the Enlightenment tells us how power?
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  Speaker 10: Becking power, that's one of the main elements that came
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  Speaker 10: out of the Enlightenment. Why against the monarchies, dictatorships, that
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  Speaker 10: sort of thing, right, But look at the Marxists and
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  Speaker 10: the Islamis and others. The negative power, what are they
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  Speaker 10: all about? The centralization of power that people aren't the sovereign,
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  Speaker 10: the ruling classes the sovereign well.
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  Speaker 1: And that's resulting in concentration of power in Washington. And
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  Speaker 1: I guess you know, as a lawyer, I always go
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  Speaker 1: back to this distorted Washington all powerful. We live in
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  Speaker 1: a republic. We have a tenth Amendment as well as
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  Speaker 1: a ninth Amendment, but we also have Wickered versus Philburn,
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  Speaker 1: which extended this regulatory arm against every aspect of our lives.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem right there. The court used as a
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  Speaker 1: mechanism to get engaged in every element of our lives.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, that is a particularly devious decision where basically you
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  Speaker 10: have a wheat farmer, so the public knows who is
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  Speaker 10: growing wheat on his own land, and they still claimed
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  Speaker 10: it was interstate commerce capable of being regulated because if
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  Speaker 10: he didn't sell the wheat into interstate commerce, it would
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  Speaker 10: affect interstate commerce. So it's one of the most atrocious
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  Speaker 10: decisions e R. And you're right, it laid the foundation
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  Speaker 10: for economic socialism, endless government intervention. So on power, I
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  Speaker 10: just decide, you know, you can't have liberty without rights,
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  Speaker 10: and you can't have rights without power. And there's certain
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  Speaker 10: kinds of power that are good and certain kinds of
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  Speaker 10: power that are bad. The struggle we're having now, basically
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  Speaker 10: those of us who are not in the Democrat Party.
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  Speaker 10: The struggle we're having now with the Democrat Party and others,
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  Speaker 10: by the way, is this issue over power. They want
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  Speaker 10: centralized power. You talk about wicked versus of sobern This
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  Speaker 10: is about a massive fourth branch of government, a bureaucracy.
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  Speaker 10: We want to elected judges aren't even in the constitution,
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  Speaker 10: And what does that mean. We're supposed to be a
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  Speaker 10: government of consensus, a government of representative government. So when
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  Speaker 10: you have a bureaucracy, it doesn't represent the people. When
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  Speaker 10: you want to elect to judges, they don't represent the
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  Speaker 10: people either.
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  Speaker 7: They got a r but the role.
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  Speaker 10: Is really outsized in terms of what they do. So
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  Speaker 10: I break this down. I look at this issue of power.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think we as conservatives, or let me say this,
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  Speaker 10: non leftists really think about this enough. This is all
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  Speaker 10: they think about.
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  Speaker 7: They're obsessed with it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and you talk about it, you don't necessarily go
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  Speaker 1: to the psychological reality. But as you're talking, and this
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  Speaker 1: is something that I struggle with all the time. Mark,
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  Speaker 1: I consider myself a little el libertarian. I remember the
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  Speaker 1: Libertarian Party. But I trust you with your wallet and
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  Speaker 1: you zipper. I don't want to take anything from you.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm done fixing me, maybe I'll come after you,
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  Speaker 1: but that day's never going to come. I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's a psychological problem they have. Why do they
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  Speaker 1: want to control all of our lives. Why does Zohan
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  Speaker 1: Mundami want to you know, regulate you know, the price
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  Speaker 1: of house, literally the price of everything, micro manage everything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't get where that need for power and control
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  Speaker 1: comes from, which is maybe why I don't get the
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  Speaker 1: direction we're going, because people tend to roll over and
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  Speaker 1: just allow it to happen to them.
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  Speaker 10: Well, if you look at history, and even if you
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  Speaker 10: look around the world today, that is the rule. Yeah,
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  Speaker 10: the dark side of humanity the reason why the Enlightenment
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  Speaker 10: was so important, and the radical Islamis never went through
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  Speaker 10: the Enlightenment. They're stuck in the primitive seventh century and
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  Speaker 10: the Marxists reject the Enlightenment. It's the darker side of humanity.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, men and women are imperfect. And so the
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  Speaker 10: whole reason the Enlightenment is important, again fused with the
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  Speaker 10: Judeo Christian values, is to get us past that. It
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  Speaker 10: is to embrace the brighter side of humanity, to nurture
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  Speaker 10: the brighter side of humanity and so forth versus this
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  Speaker 10: darker side. And you ask why, because people can be evil,
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  Speaker 10: because people can be greedy, They want power, because people
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  Speaker 10: like to lord over other people. We've got millions of
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  Speaker 10: people who've been murdered in this world as a result
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  Speaker 10: of Marxism and Islamism, that the result of Judeo Christian
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  Speaker 10: values and the Enlightenment. And so you set up a
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  Speaker 10: government that protects us from evil, whether it's mob, whether
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  Speaker 10: it's centralized government. And so where this is where our
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  Speaker 10: constitution is so brilliant and it's so important. Even Scalia said,
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  Speaker 10: what's the key to our constitution?
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  Speaker 1: Separation?
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  Speaker 10: Powers? What did Montesquieu say, the most important philosopher during
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  Speaker 10: our constitutional period? Power checks power? What did even Aristotle say,
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  Speaker 10: power needs to check out? And let me ask you,
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  Speaker 10: this is that the way Mondami thinks is that the
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  Speaker 10: way the Marxists think is that the way Bernie Sanders thinks.
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  Speaker 10: So the Democrats think, no, it is constant government program
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  Speaker 10: and government taxation, government regulation, government redistribution. Their views, their
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  Speaker 10: beliefs are simply incompatible with the sounding.
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  Speaker 1: And so I let it all out in the book
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  Speaker 1: the Book on Power. On my guests today, Mark Levin, Well,
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  Speaker 1: let me ask you this in terms of reforms, As
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  Speaker 1: you were saying that enlightened, smart, critical thinking, logical, reasonable,
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  Speaker 1: well educated people could see through this. They would see
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  Speaker 1: through the lives they would recognizing the efforts of this
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  Speaker 1: negative power and rejected out of hand. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: our education system is to blame for creating a generation
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  Speaker 1: or two or three of useful idiots that are just
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  Speaker 1: too uneducated to see through this, this overreach and this
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  Speaker 1: abuse of our civil rights and liberties.
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  Speaker 7: I think just a.
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  Speaker 11: Lot of that.
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  Speaker 10: There's no question about it that these people have conquered
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  Speaker 10: the culture, whether it's the media, whether it's achademia, whether
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  Speaker 10: it's Hollywood and so forth. We're on outs there on
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  Speaker 10: the ends. I don't think there's any question about that.
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  Speaker 10: But we also have the problem where people actually vote
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  Speaker 10: for tyranny. People like freebeests. People don't want to give
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  Speaker 10: up what they have, but they want to take something
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  Speaker 10: that somebody else has. And again, this is a darker
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  Speaker 10: side of humanity, and the the Marxists play right into that.
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  Speaker 10: And also they plain to the fact that human beings
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  Speaker 10: are imperfect, and so they compare something the imperfection of
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  Speaker 10: society with their promises. And what I say is, no,
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  Speaker 10: you got to compare something to something because you know
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  Speaker 10: they'll say, you're hungry, I'll make it affordable.
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  Speaker 1: You can't.
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  Speaker 10: You can't get a house I'll make it. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 10: excuse me. Let's come back down to earth and let's
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  Speaker 10: actually deal with what it is that you're proposing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that someone can run as a socialist and actually
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  Speaker 1: get traction in New York and Mondomia is an illustration. Y,
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  Speaker 1: that's true, true, No argument there, Bernie Sanders, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: guess there was a period of time, you know, in
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  Speaker 1: my lifetime.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, nobody would touch you with a ten foot.
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  Speaker 1: Poll if you said out loud I am a Socialist
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  Speaker 1: or Marxist or communists. But we've changed the society and
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  Speaker 1: or perception over the years. We don't study the mistakes
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  Speaker 1: of the past. No one's looking at where these experiments
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  Speaker 1: have been held. Like we had a moral barometer when
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  Speaker 1: I was going up to the Soviet Union. It was
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  Speaker 1: freedom and capitalism versus breadlines. It was a perfect point
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  Speaker 1: to make. Look, you want to be a commie, you
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  Speaker 1: see how terrible things are there. But we lost that
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  Speaker 1: when the wall came down, and since then I feel
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  Speaker 1: like we've lost our way.
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  Speaker 11: Mark.
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  Speaker 10: You make a great point. A lot of the younger
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  Speaker 10: people today have no first hand dog about what took place.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, the Holocaust is just a distant thing, and
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  Speaker 10: they throw around the word Hitler in the Holocaust or
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  Speaker 10: the Soviet Union. They don't know a thing about this city,
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  Speaker 10: even nine to eleven. Who hit us on nine to eleven?
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  Speaker 10: The islonomists, Okay, they don't. They weren't alive. Then they
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  Speaker 10: don't think about that. And so this is a YA.
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  Speaker 10: And that's why I feel like outside of the educational system, we.
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  Speaker 1: Have to fight back.
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  Speaker 10: We still have free speech. That's why I write these books.
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  Speaker 10: That's why you and I are on the air trying
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  Speaker 10: to reach as many people as we can with American
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  Speaker 10: ideals in the belief system, trying to teach history, trying
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  Speaker 10: to explain these things because they're not getting it in
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  Speaker 10: the school. They have no context for this. But you know,
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  Speaker 10: we as parents and grandparents, we have a responsibility too.
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  Speaker 10: You don't just send your kids off the school and
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  Speaker 10: hopeful the best, certainly not. Now. You got to take
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  Speaker 10: them under your wing. You got to educate them, have
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  Speaker 10: them read certain things or at least listen to certain things.
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  Speaker 10: That is our responsibility. And I'm hoping these books, this
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  Speaker 10: one in particular, will help in that regard.
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  Speaker 1: I'm certain it will, and I'll encourage my listeners, you
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  Speaker 1: of Mark ar Levin's new book on power. Please read
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  Speaker 1: it wonderful and inspiring book. Mark Levin, you always are
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  Speaker 1: thank you for what you do each and every day,
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  Speaker 1: the book fifty five cares dot I am pleased. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to the fifty five Cassee Morning Show. Michael McNamara. He
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  Speaker 1: has initially a degree in economics University of San Francisco,
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  Speaker 1: but he enlisted in the US Marine Corps back in
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  Speaker 1: eighty three, left active duty in ninety four, but then
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  Speaker 1: returned to the Corps in two thousand and four and
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  Speaker 1: deployee Iraq twice in Afghanistan, once as an infantry soldier.
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  Speaker 1: Retiring from the Marine Corps in twenty fifteen, founder and
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  Speaker 1: president of the Post Traumatic Winning Company LLC, hosted a
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  Speaker 1: podcast All Marine Radio since twenty sixteen and began presenting
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  Speaker 1: the ideas connected with his first book, From Trauma to Joy,
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  Speaker 1: which We're here to talk about in twenty nineteen. Michael McNamara,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five Carse Morning Show. The name
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  Speaker 1: of the book From Trauma to Joy Life changing lessons
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  Speaker 1: that fellow US Marines taught me after traumatic events occurred
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  Speaker 1: in my life, Lessons that apply to anyone. Emphasis on
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  Speaker 1: that last part. It's a pleasure to have you on
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  Speaker 1: the program. Michael.
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  Speaker 6: Well, first of all, as a'm a former manager of
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  Speaker 6: the Cincinnati red and a guy who worked on Johnson's
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  Speaker 6: party boats in the summer during college tender bar, I
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  Speaker 6: am happy to be back on the air. Well, I've
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  Speaker 6: never been on the here of the Queen City, but
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  Speaker 6: now it's a pleasure. Brian, thank you very much for
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  Speaker 6: having me.
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  Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up after your bio.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, also, you know John McNamara, don't
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  Speaker 1: you the guy that took over after Sparky Anderson left
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Reds and of course filling in the blanks
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  Speaker 1: on that one the party boat too. That's it brings
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  Speaker 1: back memories anyway.
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  Speaker 6: Oh my god, you don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I can only imagine. I can only imagine. It's
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  Speaker 1: like being a fly on the wall. I suppose being
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  Speaker 1: in that role Oh.
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  Speaker 6: My god, tornado warnings while you're on the river and
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  Speaker 6: there's a party going on. Incredible, incredible stories.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I bet well you maybe write your second book
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  Speaker 1: on that. But this book, I think it's really important.
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  Speaker 1: Mental health has become something that we can all talk about.
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  Speaker 1: There's no longer, at least, there's very little you know,
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  Speaker 1: negative viewpoints or like, you know, get over it kind
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  Speaker 1: of attitudes. These days. We know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: deal with mental health challenges. But you mentioned trauma. It's
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  Speaker 1: the title of the book, From Trauma to Joy and
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  Speaker 1: point out that approximately ninety five percent of the US
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  Speaker 1: population deals with some form of trauma. We could be
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  Speaker 1: talking about something as traumatic as losing a loved one
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  Speaker 1: for example, right, well.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what you know, you know, that's why I
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  Speaker 6: don't really care for the term PTSD, because if when
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  Speaker 6: you throw that out there, everybody says, oh, that's that
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  Speaker 6: combat thing, right right, or that's the thing cops in firefight. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: it's an everybody thing. If you had to tend to
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  Speaker 6: somebody who you loved and hold their hand and watch
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  Speaker 6: them die of a lengthy illness, you're in the same
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  Speaker 6: valley of the shadow of death that I'm in. We
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  Speaker 6: just took different paths to get there. If you've been
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  Speaker 6: abused as a child, physically, sexually, emotionally, right, and you
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  Speaker 6: and you've suffered with that your life, guess what You're
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  Speaker 6: in that thing too.
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  Speaker 4: So the book is about.
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  Speaker 6: You know that is not a death sentence, okay, And
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: the first place that you should look for an answer
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  Speaker 6: is not in a jar pills, and it's not in
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  Speaker 6: forever therapy. It's inside of you. And I know this.
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  Speaker 6: And again I'm not a Brian. I'm not a mental
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  Speaker 6: health person. I've been a leader since I was a
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  Speaker 6: little kid. And so I started talking about this on
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  Speaker 6: my podcast and then the way the book begins is
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  Speaker 6: with a presentation I started doing around the world, and
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  Speaker 6: that is I'm going to tell you the truth, true
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  Speaker 6: things about what it is to live a great life
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  Speaker 6: after you go through really difficult things, right, And I
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  Speaker 6: don't care what the difficulty was. And so the great
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  Speaker 6: thing that people don't understand about you know, as a marine,
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  Speaker 6: is that our suicide is not linked to combat. It
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  Speaker 6: is linked to child abuse. It is linked to child
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  Speaker 6: sexual abuse and adverse childhood experiences. Because when we went
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  Speaker 6: to the volunteer force. Right, we're not so much across
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  Speaker 6: section of America anymore. I would tell you about fifty
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  Speaker 6: percent of the people that joined the American military right
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  Speaker 6: are trying to get to a better place. Their peers
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  Speaker 6: are in jail, their dead of drug overdoses or suicide.
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  Speaker 4: But they come from that.
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  Speaker 6: Part of our culture and they're looking for something better
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  Speaker 6: and sometimes they don't find it. And so you can't
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  Speaker 6: understand veteran suicide or military suicide unless you understand who
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  Speaker 6: we recruit. And then what I found out when I
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  Speaker 6: started doing seminarts for everybody was that there was no
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  Speaker 6: difference between what you know, active duty and veterans talked
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  Speaker 6: about as opposed to the civilians that I met. It
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  Speaker 6: was all it was based on the traumatic events of
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  Speaker 6: their life. And so this stuff applies to anybody, and
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  Speaker 6: that's the beautiful part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I imagine the outline and the steps and the
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  Speaker 1: principles that put you set forth in the book have
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  Speaker 1: to start with, I suppose a pretty tremendous amount of introspection,
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  Speaker 1: trying to be an objective observer of your life and
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  Speaker 1: where you are and why you're experiencing this trauma.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'll tell you what, And that's not hard
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  Speaker 6: for most people, because most people when you go through
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  Speaker 6: these things, you know, I saw somebody get decapitated in
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  Speaker 6: a training incident, a helicopter crash in nineteen ninety three,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, we were trying to save the three
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  Speaker 6: other guys in the back and I have my hands,
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  Speaker 6: you know, all over this one young marine and everybody dies, right,
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  Speaker 6: And one of my senior marines came up to me.
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: I was a commanding officer, but one of my senior
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  Speaker 6: and listen guys come up to me and asked me.
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  Speaker 6: About three hours later, he goes, hey, Serri said, how
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  Speaker 6: are you doing?
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  Speaker 12: And I said, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: We've been kind of busy. And he looked at me
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  Speaker 4: and he said, you know you're never going.
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  Speaker 6: To get over this, right, And I said what he said?
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  Speaker 1: You'll never get over this?
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: And I can't use the language I use, but I said, hey,
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  Speaker 6: why don't you get away from me? I don't think
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: that's what they're that says to the patient right now,
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  Speaker 6: to go away. And he looked at me and said, no,
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  Speaker 6: you need to know that.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, who told you that?
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  Speaker 6: And he said Vietnam guys told me that, And I
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  Speaker 6: tell everybody the single best piece of advice ever got,
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  Speaker 6: although I didn't understand at the time, was that because
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  Speaker 6: when I struggled, guess whose voice I heard a guy
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  Speaker 6: who who would have died for me, who looked me
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  Speaker 6: in the face and told me the truth. And once
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: you understand, you don't get over it that when you struggle,
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: you know what? That makes you a normal human being.
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: You can't go through those experiences without those ghosts coming back.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: And the question becomes what do I do when they
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: come back? Because they will. And now the way the
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: nation approaches it is we'll give you medications and you
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: can go to Forever Talk therapy. If you look at
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: the trend lines of that, the nation set a suicide
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: record what twelve months ago, and the military is setting
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: suicide records and we're nowhere near a conflict. But that
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: is our approach to helping these people. And what I
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: tell people is before you do any of that, read
• 50:04
  Speaker 6: my book because if you understand, the first thing you're
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: going to have to do is coexist with it, because
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: it's not going away. The next thing you're going to
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: have to do is live with some self discipline. When
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: you struggle, guess what you should do. Not isolate yourself,
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: not go get drunk, right, and which is what marines do.
• 50:21
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: You should talk to somebody who loves you and will
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: not judge you. And you should stay away from alcohol.
• 50:27
  Speaker 6: And you can do that. Next, stay physically active. So
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: if you'll do those things, watch how quick your life changes.
• 50:33
  Speaker 6: Then you got to learn how to meditate.
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: We merge, We don't like that word. I call it
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: calming your brain down.
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: You got to learn how to do some version of that.
• 50:40
  Speaker 6: You got to learn how to read when you feel
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: anxious or you feel anger, and how to interrupt that cycle.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: And these little wellness things. The people that damage your life,
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: you got to put them at arm's length and keep
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: them there and then all of a sudden your life
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: calms down. But the transformational part of this whole thing, Brian,
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: and the beautiful thing that I learned is you know
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: how many people around you we're struggling. You're going to
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: find this path out of the valley of the shadow
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: of death, and your life's going to get better. And
• 51:06
  Speaker 6: then you're going to stick your hand into their darkness
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: and say, hey, man, I know what you're going to
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: you got a minute, could I talk to you? And
• 51:14
  Speaker 6: if you'll do that, if you'll help them, at some
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: point one of them is going to pick up the
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: phone and call you and say, hey, man, remember that
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: conversation we had two months ago. Yeah, you don't know this,
• 51:25
  Speaker 6: but I was getting ready to kill myself that much.
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: And when we do, and I'm not saying that hypothetically,
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: because we all know people around us that are struggling,
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: and good luck sleeping that night, because you will experience
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: the joy part of this. I call it the Gridge moment,
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: when the Grinch's heart grows through tons and he here's
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: the who people singing? Right, It's that feeling. And that
• 51:46
  Speaker 6: is what we do with our suffering. We give it meaning.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: How do we do that? We learn about it, we
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: learn how to live our we learn how to become
• 51:53
  Speaker 6: a better version of ourselves, and then we help others.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: And if you'll do that, I guarantee you that you
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: can transform your life.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I would imagine the conversation serves of a multitude
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: of reasons why it's beneficial. But in so far as say,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I'm reflecting upon the horror you that you witness and
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the idea that your your commander said, you're never going
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to get over it, that you will remember that incident
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and it may trouble you, and you may, you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: want to blame yourself. But if you deflect your attention
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: away from that and go back to that sort of
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: concept of meditation, living in the moment, not going back
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and retracing old events over which you have no control,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: but thinking about something different and getting your mind away
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: from it, that in and of itself has to be beneficial.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, but I would tell you the big thing
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: is sometimes you can't control that smells trigger the video
• 52:47
  Speaker 6: in your head, right, yeah, And and and you're and
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: now you're you're watching the video and there's no off
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: button and there's no mute button. And so what you
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: have to learn is that's normal. That's normal. And for me,
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: my combat experiences were not the worst experiences of my life. Right,
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: My sister's husband murdered their two kids when she told
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: him she wanted her divorce fix years old and four
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: years old, shot him both in the head, right, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: then beat her and put the gun in his mouth
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: and killed himself. So even when I went to combat,
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: even when I went to combat, and it's important that
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: people hear that from somebody who spent three years in
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: Iraq and Afghanistan as an infantry officer, all during the
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: heights of the fighting. I'm not in that zip code.
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: And there's people listening to you that were sexually abused
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: as children, that have had this horrible things happening. They're
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: in my sister's zip.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Code, not in mine. And it's very humbling.
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: For a cop or a firefighter to hear me speak.
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: And I look at them and I say, you're not
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: in that zip code and you know that. So you
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: don't have the market cornered on trauma. And so what
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: I want you to do is open your mind and
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: learn that there's nothing wrong with you when you struggle
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: and then it's okay. And the videos some days are
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: going to last longer than it's going to last. But
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: if you'll learn how to do these things, what you're
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: gonna do is you're going to learn how to coexist
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: with it. And that's really the art with your trauma,
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: to understand there's nothing wrong with you, to understand that
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: you're going to coexist with it. I mean more than
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: War two, that's once three hundred years old. Yeah, ask
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: them about what they did and they'll tell you in
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: slow motion, high definition what they did. So it's not
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: like this stuff leaves you. And that's so it's developing
• 54:23
  Speaker 6: wisdom relative to this stuff.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Michael McNamara from Trauma to Joy Life changing lessons that
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Philly US Marines taught me after traumatic events occurred in
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: my life, underscore lessons that apply to anyone. Michael can't
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: thank you enough for the time you spent my listeners
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: with me on the program. I will certainly recommend they
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: go to fifty five carec dot com where we have
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: a link to get your book. We all experience trauma,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: and Michael's figured out a way to help us all
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: deal with it. It's been a pleasure having in the program,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and I want to thank you on behalf of all
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: of my listeners and myself personally for your service to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: our country and your service to everyone for writing this book.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: By the fifty five Karri CD talk Station, Happy Friday
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: looking forward to the bottom of the hour with Kimberlee
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: from sant Anthea Patowa's Church regarding the Mediterranean Festival and
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: hopefully bearer of Kibbi and Taboulie in the meantime, happy
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five Carsy Morning Show. Understatement
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: to say controversial. Larry Flint. We all know him, especially
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: here in City Cincinnati. His wife, of course, Larry passed away.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Liz Flint is joining the program. She currently runs the
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: entire empire. She is behind the book and author of
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: the book Hustler Fifty Years Hustler fifty fifty Years of Freedom.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Liz Flint, Welcome to the fifty five Carsee Morning Show.
• 55:39
  Speaker 14: Well, good morning to you.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on, and what a
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: perfect timing to have you on the show.
• 55:44
  Speaker 13: Now.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: I know my listeners, being of the more conservative mindset,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: may not believe in and find the material that has
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: been featured in Hustler now since I guess nineteen seventy
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: four when it was first published, to their liking or taste.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: But as a staunch defender of the concert and First Amendment,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you know, different strokes for different folks, if I may
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: be so bold, And I know that Larry Flint was
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: subject to a lot of litigation over his life and
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: fought a hard challenge ended up in the Supreme Court
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: in the name of free speech, and actually prevailed you
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: feature that in the book, do you not, Yes, I too.
• 56:21
  Speaker 14: Well, you know what free speech is, all speech, even
• 56:24
  Speaker 14: hate speech. Well, we can't start slicing and dicing. Well,
• 56:28
  Speaker 14: it's fit. So it's called toleration. We have to tolerate
• 56:32
  Speaker 14: those that we don't necessarily like. But at the end
• 56:35
  Speaker 14: of the day, we'll always find a common ground to
• 56:37
  Speaker 14: agree on exactly.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: And I'm a listen you speak in my language on that.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: You know, I appreciate the free speech, including you know,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: there is hate speech out in the world, but the
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech allows people to make such utterances, and
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in so doing, we at least can identify and choose
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: to agree or disagree with them, or at least engage
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: in a debate about the marriage of what they are saying.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: In a society without free speech, you can't even engage
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: in a debate, which is why I am appreciative of
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the First Amendment. You know. The other thing is speaking
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: of litigation, and Larry was in a lot of cases
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: the Jerry Follwell litigation that turned out to his advantage
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: as well, and it's an important Supreme Court case. Remind
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: my listeners about that particular one.
• 57:23
  Speaker 14: Well, Larry put out a parody satire in Huster magazine
• 57:29
  Speaker 14: back in eighty three, and it was a compari ad
• 57:35
  Speaker 14: and at the bottom of the ad it said not
• 57:39
  Speaker 14: to be taken serious, and it was making reference to
• 57:43
  Speaker 14: Jerry follow his first time in an outhouse with his mother. Well,
• 57:48
  Speaker 14: obviously he didn't like that, and he sued Larry, and
• 57:51
  Speaker 14: Larry lost at lower cart and then Larry appealed and
• 57:58
  Speaker 14: went to the US Supreme Court and they accepted his case,
• 58:02
  Speaker 14: and well, Larry prevailed and had the Chief Justice Rehnquist
• 58:10
  Speaker 14: write the majority opinion. Larry was very shocked too, because
• 58:16
  Speaker 14: it was the preacher versus pornographer. But we all benefit
• 58:22
  Speaker 14: from this landmark case. It's taught in all law schools
• 58:26
  Speaker 14: all over the country.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Right of course, I went through that case when I
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: was in law school. And I mean, Liz, can you
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: imagine the Internet had Larry lost that case? Considering I mean,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: every single day you're confronted with parodies of all shapes
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: and forms. You know, quite often they're informative, quite often
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: they're extremely funny, sometimes offensive. But I just can't imagine
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: a world with the Internet age without that particular case.
• 58:56
  Speaker 14: As president, absolutely so, comedians all over the country like
• 59:02
  Speaker 14: Bill Maher, Jeffrey Ross even back then, Jay Leno, that
• 59:07
  Speaker 14: you could say something hurt someone's feelings and not be
• 59:10
  Speaker 14: charged or prosecuted or jailed.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Now I have to ask you this, considering you know
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: this is the greater Cincinnati area. Does former Hamilton County
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: Prosecutor Fred Cardolano or Simon LEAs Junior's name come up
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: in the book by any chance?
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: No?
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: They Okay, I know that Simon Lease was not a
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: fan of your late husband.
• 59:38
  Speaker 14: No. But you know, at the end of the day,
• 59:41
  Speaker 14: this coffee table book, it is five decades of Husser
• 59:46
  Speaker 14: magazine and the brand meaning the best cartoons, illustrations, publishers, statements,
• 59:54
  Speaker 14: and there's a lot more are Larry's political views. And
• 59:59
  Speaker 14: what makes it so nice it's you see the change
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 14: in the decades and it's the best of And I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 14: think that I'm bringing something to Cincinnati that they lived
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 14: through it.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, we certainly did. It was a much more Victorian
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: era and it wasn't even that long ago. I mean,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I'll be sixty in September, Liz, and I remember when
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: all these cases were pending, when he was being prosecuted
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: for obscenity, and by Simon Leees, and of course I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: remember and he was having to go through the Supreme
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Court era with the free speech case which was in
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: that the movie featuring Woody Harrelson, who I understand did
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: a forward in your book.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, I reached out to Woody and asked him he
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 14: could write the forward for this book because obviously he
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 14: played Larry in The People versus Larry Flint, and Woody
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 14: is from Ohio, Lebanon, Ohio. It made perfect sense and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 14: he will. After the movie, him and Larry became very
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 14: close friends, and it was just a beautiful friendship, relationship,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 14: loving relationship, and he did want a beautiful forward and
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 14: tribute to it.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Larry Flint, how about that? Now you know the story,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: you know the movie. Is the movie accurate? I mean
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: quite often movies of Hollywood take liberties with facts and issues,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering if the movie accurately depicts that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: that period of time, if I may boil it down
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: to that, well, I.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 14: Asked my husband when they were filming down in Nashville, Tennessee.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 14: I said, Larry, how would you see this movie? Would
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 14: you say they've got a lot right or obviously Hollywood's
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 14: selling a movie, they got to embellish it a little bit,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 14: and he said, for what was their list, they just
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 14: about got a lot of the scenes, especially the court scenes.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 14: And yes, that profile of Simon Leeese was depicted there
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 14: by James Carr, and I think that. I think Milos
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 14: Forman did a very excellent job portraying Larry and all
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 14: the other characters in the movie.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: No, I thoroughly enjoyed the film. Again, I just was asking,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: for the sake of historical accuracy, if I should view
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: it with a measure of skepticism. I interviewed one of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the the World War Two veterans who was in stalog
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I was three the story behind the Great Escape, and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: he said, with the exception of the motorcycle stunts, that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: movie accurately depicted everything they went through and in escaping
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: from the prison camp in World War Two. So nice
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: to know the information I see. I have notes here
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Liz the author again of Excuse Me Hustler fifty to
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: fifty Years of Freedom. Pete Rose's name is listed here
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: another local icon.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 14: Yes, so Larry knew him back in the day when
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 14: he had the hust clothes Downtown Downtown Cincinnati, and then
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 14: later Larry got in touch with Pete Rose. He was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 14: living in Las Vegas and and whenever you would come
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 14: to Los Angeles, he would have lunch with Larry at
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 14: the Peninsula in Beverly Hills. So it was very nice
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 14: to meet him and Larry was It was very beautiful
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 14: for him to connect because Larry passed away and so
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 14: did Pete.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, very nice. Well local icon. Pete Rose was
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: and a fan of Charles Bukowski.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: I am.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: I noted from the notes that there were features by
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Charles Bukowski in Hustler. Hustle was not just photographs of
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: scanty or without closed women, also contained a lot of
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: interesting writing. I think of a guy like Hunter S. Thompson,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: very cutting edge, you know, gonzo journalist, but he also
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: had a lot of interesting articles like that Timothy Leary
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 14: Yes, so you know, when my husband was publishing the magazine,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 14: he was very passionate about, you know, his political stories
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 14: and illustrations. And that's where part of the magazine got
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 14: its vitality. It wasn't just a magazine of photo sets
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 14: of women, but it had a little bit more to offer.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 14: And that's why I call it, this book of fifty
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 14: years in entertainment. I know there is something for everyone.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: There seven five here at fifty five Kerseity Talk Station
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: and a very very happy Flag Day Wednesday, and an
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: extra special day here on the fifty five Carssee Morning
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Show because I am blessed and grace to be in
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: the presence of ninety six year old World War Two
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: veteran Frank Wettencamp, who former Anderson Township trustee. Drew Papps,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: who's also in studio, was kind enough to bring and
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: arrange for Frank to appear on the fifty five KRSE
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Morning Show. Frank, A real honor to have you here
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: in my studio today, sir. Let me start by thanking
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: you for your service to our country.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 13: I'm glad to be here, and.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll thank your mom for letting you enlist
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: in the United States military at the age of seventeen.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 13: Yes, we had. Mom had five kids in the service.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: Oh five kids. I think you were going to say
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: mom had five kids and she wanted the house.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 13: No, wait, she had fifteen kids.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Five and fifteen kids. Yes, wow, what part of the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: country you grow up in?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: We from here, this local area.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 13: Well, the first thing I remember is Erie Avenue. I
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 13: was about five years old, you know, and I remember
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 13: things about that. But and then from there we went
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 13: to Madisonville. Depression hit. Dad was cut down to three
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: days a week. Had a good job, but three days,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 13: fifteen pair of shoes and you know. So he moved
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 13: us out to Mount Holly, which is past Amelia, and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 13: had a farm and we had a truck garden, chickens, cow,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 13: we had milk and you know, short food from that
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 13: dead had. He had to work in the city, okay,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: twenty five miles away, and he took a bus. He's
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 13: not a good driver. In fact, what happened is he
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 13: finally bought a car and he had two wrecks. So
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 13: we had to move out. This is gonna be a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: funny story. But my sister June, who was four years
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 13: older than me, made sure that I went to school
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 13: every morning and we had to catch a bus. So
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 13: June got me dressed and we went out, caught the bus,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 13: went to school. We come home from school, okay, and
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 13: the house was empty. They had moved. Oh, the whole
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 13: family had moved while.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: You were at school.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 13: Yeah, oh my god, Well it had too many people
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 13: to count. It's like story, that's yeah, So we stood there.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 13: What the hell you do? You know I'm five years old?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 13: You know she's nine. So uh. Luckily the man next
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  Speaker 13: door worked at the railroad in town at nighttime, Man
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 13: Mad and mister Ross, God bless him. He saw his
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 13: standing there and he says, you're a family have moved,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 13: you know, He said, I know where they went. Give me,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 13: give me a couple of minutes and I get dressed
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 13: and I'll take you there.
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  Speaker 4: So I go to work, right, and he did.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 13: He dropped us off at Lost three up in Coreyville.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the reaction from uh, from mom and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: day when you showed up at the door, Like, Mom,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: what the hell's going on?
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  Speaker 4: You moved away? Anything? Nothing?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 13: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: There you are?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 13: Well, many times I had a brother year younger than me,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 13: and one two years. We were the three Musketeers. We
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 13: traveled all over the city and you knew everything. I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 13: shined shoes when I was eight years old.
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  Speaker 4: All about it.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 13: I could get in the bars. My dad was a
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 13: professional fighter, okay, and all the bouncers knew him. So
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 13: I was shining shoes for about a year. And anyway,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 13: I don't want to get the story on the shoes.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well okay, yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Anyway, he's already warned you about, you know, our dump
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: button in language issues, which we can all joke around
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: off air as much as we want. Yeah, you gotta
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: watch ourselves a lot of air. Yeah okay. So fast
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: forward to age seventeen. Had you graduated from high school already?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 13: Yeah, he just had graduated. In fact, the idea that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 13: I had to graduate to get the Marquette University to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 13: study to be in a navy pilot.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 13: Otherwise I was going to go because most of my
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 13: end when they became seventeen, they enlisted.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so everybody around you was doing that.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, see I was going to pick up school afterwards,
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  Speaker 13: which would they do?
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  Speaker 1: And I want to dwell on that whole that little
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: aspect right there, it's a very important one. Not to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: discount by saying little. But you joined, all of your
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: friends were joining. You wanted to join and serve. Were
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: your motivations patriotism, revenge for the for Pearl Harbor, just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: because everybody else was doing it inside?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 4: What were you thinking? What was driving you to want
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: to enlist?
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  Speaker 13: I don't think kids my age were too much into it.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 13: You know, they realized what happened. I remember on a
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 13: Sunday morning hearing it. You know, but you were an
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 13: oddball if you didn't go in.
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  Speaker 4: Pure pressure. Yeah four if see, you didn't want that label.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 13: Didn't want that label. See. The funny thing is I
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 13: went down with four guys and I was the only
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 13: one selected. One guy only had one eye. You didn't
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 13: know it, you know, Yeah, he didn't tell anybody. Yeah.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 13: One guy got in an argument with the recruiting guy
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 13: and he made it a purpose to say that you were.
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  Speaker 4: Insubordinate.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 13: No, it was uh, he he was color blind. But
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 13: the army took him. Yeah, the Navy. You know, this
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 13: guy was mad's as well. He's not going to get
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 13: in the navy, you know. So uh and the other
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 13: guy had a lot of problems. Okay, so uh So
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 13: I was selected and I went off by myself.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: By yourself? And what was where were you first assigned?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 13: After I went the Great Legs.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: Uh that's the one up in Chicago.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 13: R Yeah, boot what they call boot camp, and then uh,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 13: they wanted me. They tell you what you're good for,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 13: and they said, well you can join gunnery school. So
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 13: I went to gunnery school. I come out first into school.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 13: They sent me to Pontiac, Michigan by myself, and I
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 13: was studying new guns that they were developing in Pontiac, Michigan.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 13: So I had an expertise in that that nobody else had,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 13: except a few guys that were there with me from
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 13: different schools. So after that, I got a paper that says,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 13: go pick up a ship in Seattle. Okay, So I'm
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 13: on the train going to Seattle. The ship wasn't ready
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 13: to be fitted. They sent me a shoemaker. They put
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 13: me on short patrol. I remember saving the Marines. But
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 13: because he's fighting with some Mexican kid down and you know,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 13: I advance and this special cop wants to beat him up,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 13: and me and the special cop went around a circle.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 13: Because I was short patrol, I said, I'll take care
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 13: of him, you know. So I did the little things
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 13: that's going to come to my mind. So anyway, then
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 13: the ship was ready. I go up to Puget Sound,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 13: pick up the ship and we head out. And the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 13: next thing, we're laying off of one guom Tinny Anne
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 13: and tie end. We're all tied in together and our
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 13: ship was sitting there waiting for an escort, and all
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 13: of a sudden I get a call from my ordance
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 13: officer and I meet him up on the deck and
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 13: he said, you're being transferred to fleet Marines. Okay, so
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 13: they you go what they tell you to do, you know?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 13: So I said, okay, what happened? So I was transferred
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 13: to an LCM, which is a different ship than mine.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 13: I had an lsd uh which was called landing ship.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 13: So uh, I stayed there with these marines on this
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 13: LCM and finally we hit the beach. Lady, Ah, it's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 13: not like the movies. Believe me, I can tell you.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 13: Going into that beach is not.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Like the movie under Fire.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 13: Well, I don't know what. Luckily, we were not under fire.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 13: It was like the fourth Landing.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 13: In fact, the funny thing that happened is being the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 13: only Navy man amongst these marines. Somebody was sending semaphore
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 13: with the flags on the beach, yeah, and uh I
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 13: could read it, so I was reading it to him.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 13: Ended up saying welcome Marines about okay, And when we
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 13: got on the beach, you hear it was a native girl.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 13: Some marine must have taught must have tottered to do
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 13: the flags.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, sir, I would much much rather
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: be greeted by a Native girl than the end of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: a bayonet or a heavy fire machine gun.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: As he landed on the beach.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Real quick here, because we're gonna have to take a break.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: We'll come back and hear more from you and again.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: World War two veteran Frank wetting Camp in studio. You said,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: it's nothing like they show in the movies, and that
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: immediately made me think of like Omaha Beach or one
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: of the landings where you're under fire. You said you
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: were like the fourth waves of the beach had been secured.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: When you say, nothing like the movies.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 13: No, but we didn't know that.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, so you know you were expecting there.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 13: Was no joke. You know, Hey, you know this is
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 13: a rough ride, and you know all the movies, right right,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 13: they got to stay something.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, quiet, quiet, definitely quiet. Yeah, let's pause from it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll continue with World War Two veteran Frank Wedding Camp.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Ryan Thomas enjoying so far, and I'm certin for the
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: balance of the hour of my conversation with World War
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  Speaker 1: two veteran ninety six year old Frank wedding camp enlisted
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: at seventeen. Sounded like peer pressure had a lot to
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: do with it. And he probably served his country in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: World War Two and actually after that as well. We're
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: gonna get more details. When last we left Frank in
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: our story, he was landing on the beach. Was it
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: was guaem was it not?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: Lady?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah? And where MacArthur went in.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Where MacArthur went in, yeah, and lady and.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 13: You went in four times.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't tell the return was more successful if I recall,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: but yeah, but you were met by a lady when
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you when you landed on the beach, which I love.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: I love that part of the story, Frank, that's hilarious.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: So what was what happened next?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 13: Well, I land on the beach. I was supposed to
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 13: set up the gun that I studied in Pontiac, which
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 13: is a ninety millimeter gun aircraft to keep the Japanese
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 13: planes from straff and the guys on the beach. Okay, okay,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 13: And what happened? MacArthur was furious. I can tell you that, okay,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 13: because I ended up at this U, the capital of Lady,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 13: because the gun didn't show up. I had nothing to do.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 13: They took me up to Kokolopin, Okay, which was the capital,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 13: and MacArthur's making his four landings. He fell down.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I forgot about that, that's right.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, yeah he was a great general, but he,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 13: you know, he was just had that type of thing that.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Had to be perfect, present a certain proection.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: Aura about made more deals.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna tell you about the deal. Anyway. So anyway,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 13: there I was, Truman drops the bomb. The war's over.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 13: I think I'm going home. So I get a paper
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 13: report to FASU number three, Okay, which I didn't know
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 13: what was floating ammunition storeach three. So I go to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 13: Subic Bay, Okay. I go to Subic Bay. I pick
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 13: up twenty two American prisoners. They volunteered to help me
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 13: do what I was doing, Okay, And then if we
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 13: got it done, they were allowed to go home instead
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 13: of back to prison. And that was the deal with them.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, they were imprisoned by American Americans. This was in prison.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: These were guys who ran a fast of US military.
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  Speaker 13: I see, yeah, yeah, they were they were a bundle
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 13: of the Yeah, they were a bundle of the handle.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 13: I'm gonna tell you, you know, because someone was a
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 13: little psychle you know. Oh sure, I had a monkey name,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 13: you know, and uh, in fact, I had two of them,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 13: but I had one and he was going to be
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 13: And this redhead guy from Saint Louis, he come over
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 13: and I catch him taking a half of an orange
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 13: and rubbing it into Monky's face. So, you know, you
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 13: gotta be I told him, look, your men, you keep
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 13: your place clean. I'm not gonna be on your butt, okay.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 13: And if everything's if you don't keep it clean, you're
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 13: the guy that don't keep his place clean. He's going
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 13: to clean up for everybody else. And that was the deal.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 13: And they they volunteered on everything.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: See, and your job was to dispose of.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 13: We were Our job, as far as the country was concerned,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 13: was to dump this ammunition. They already here's the point.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 13: They already had a crew there. So why did they
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 13: take that crew away and bring us in? Okay? So
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 13: I thought to myself, something's wrong here. So I got
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 13: real close. There were seventeen huts on the edge of
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 13: the beach. We were stationed in a bay about one
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 13: hundred yards away, no, not even that far, maybe seventy
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 13: five but they were lined up on the beach, seventeen huts. Okay,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 13: all native up in the hill was a pack of
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 13: communists gorillas, Okay, and we knew all this. I got
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 13: real close with sal who was the chief of the village.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 13: He was a captain in the Philippine Gorillas. What happened
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 13: when MacArthur made the deal for getting them prisoners out
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 13: of Manila before the Japs killed them. They made a
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 13: movie of it, you remember. And he made a deal
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 13: with the communist gorillas. There was a Japanese camp here,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 13: in the Japanese camp here, okay. So he made a
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 13: deal if the communist gorillas would make sure that these
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 13: did not bother the escape.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Route, right, the Japanese camps.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 13: Yeah, the Japanese and the America and the Philippine gorillas
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 13: were on this side stopping the other one on okay.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 13: And they had to take them out and carts with
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 13: donkeys and you know, and oxen. So it was a
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 13: slow process.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: See.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 13: So the deal was if they if the communists hell,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 13: he would not bother him, I see, Okay, gave them
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 13: that promise. Okay. So now we're sitting here, that's here,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 13: calming us up here, Okay. It didn't take long to
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 13: figure we were an American, we were an American presence.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: Okay, ye.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 13: So, and it came about to me because I kept
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 13: in touch with them. I used to stay at the village.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 13: They called me. They made me a little catamarand that
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 13: I could run all around. We bought fruit and vegetables.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 13: They had chickens, we had eggs, and we became very close.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 13: I gave them blocks of TNT to blow up the fish.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 13: You know. I gave them car beans.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: If you're making fun, you're making friends with the locals,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: the load natives. They love you. You got Commi's up here
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: in the hills. You got Japanese camp over here. And
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: this is again after the war is over right, they're
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: still there though. There's and MacArthur making deals with everybody
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: to get our prisoners out of the area to help
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: you destroy munitions at sea.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: That was That was a cover, all right, that's the cover.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Now let's posset when we'll get the rest of the story,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: because we've got to take a break in the interest
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: of keeping the show on the air. Happy to have
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: in studio. World War Two veteran ninety six year old
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Frank Wetton Camp talking about his service towards the end
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: of the and then after World War Two when we
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: last left him. He's on Guam and he is along
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: with former US prisoners that will be prisoners because they
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: violated US military law. And they have been assigned, this
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: whole ragtag group that you're in charge of, Frank, have
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: been assigned to destroy what's left over of the ordinance
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: after the war. So the commis in the Hills can't
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: get it right? Is that really where we are on this?
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 13: We are? Is it? I kept I kept in touch
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 13: with them. Rudolph Gloria was a nephew of the guy
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 13: say Away. We wrote back and forth when I came home, Okay,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 13: And the last letter I got said that sal the
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 13: chief Okay was kidnapped by the communists. Our presence was gone.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 13: Oh they took off, the whole village took off and
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 13: went to Manila.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, because the comedies were taken over.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 13: Because they come down here and took over the whole village.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: So you were you your force was the stabilizing force.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: You guys kept the peace among these different.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 13: Facts until MacArthur pulled the plug.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: And once you're gone the comedies move in and they
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: fought a civil war then cost okay.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 13: The Marco was ahead of the Communists, no, ahead of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 13: the and he became president. His wife had three thousand pair.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Of shoes, that's right. So that's where they came from.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 13: He was he was a nice guy.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know it's interesting anyways, because you all
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: right and beat the connies doesn't mean that you're gonna
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: end up necessarily better off.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Sue Big Bay where I was at, you said,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 13: go on, But Sue b where I was at, it's
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 13: now as a resort. They got a golf course. Yeah,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 13: they've got The water was beautiful, I mean absolutely beautiful.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 13: You know, I met people on a cruise who were
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 13: school teachers from Philippines and we talked about, you know,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 13: what happened. So anyway, that was the end of that,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 13: you know. But just a quirky thing. You know, that
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 13: happens in the service. It happens. You know. I never
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 13: got to shoot the ninety millimeters gun. I spent monch.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: I moved all over the place.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 13: I'll tell you. I was all trades, one man. You know,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 13: last scene, nobody wants his job. Frank's you call Frank.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: Frank, He'll do it. He'll do anything. Frank muttin camp.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: We're gonna pause right now, we'll come back. We'll find
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: out what it was like returning after the combat, after
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: the service to the United States neighborhood, change your reactions
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: with other people who served in the general environment and folks,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: if you'd like to call, say word to two to
• 1:25:29
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  Speaker 1: Day Here at fifty five KRC Morning Show with World
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  Speaker 1: War two veteran ninety six year old Frank went and
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: camp in studio and as promised, I was gonna go
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: to the funds before we find out about Frank's triumphant
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: return from World War Two. We have a couple of callers.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: We're going to start with ten year old Jackson. Jackson,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning. I know you have a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: couple of things and words is talking to say to Frank.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the morning show.
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  Speaker 5: If you don't want me, sir, what branch were you
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  Speaker 5: and did you see any battles when you were in
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  Speaker 5: World War Two?
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  Speaker 13: Actually the kind of ship I was on, Jackson, is
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  Speaker 13: it Jackson? Yeah, Jackson, there's all kinds of ships. And
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  Speaker 13: our ship was only had guns for any aircraft. We
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  Speaker 13: didn't have the big guns like the other ones did,
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  Speaker 13: so we never knew whether we hit somebody or hurt
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  Speaker 13: them or anything, you know, And so we missed that
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  Speaker 13: kind of action. We shot the guns a lot, but
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  Speaker 13: we didn't know whether we hurt somebody, you know. And
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  Speaker 13: of course that helps when you come home because you
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  Speaker 13: don't have that problem in your mind. Oh yeah, you see,
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  Speaker 13: you know. So I was lucky, Jackson, and I appreciate
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  Speaker 13: you calling me and asking me about that.
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  Speaker 4: Jackson, thanks man for the call.
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  Speaker 1: So Navy and you did fight, but you didn't see
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  Speaker 1: the people you were bombing.
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  Speaker 4: Clear distinction on that one. Gun guns guns.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the phone. A friend of mine, Cribbage,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Cribbage. Mike was a sub mariner and he probably
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  Speaker 1: served his country. He's a little younger than you, I
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  Speaker 1: got to point out, Cribbage, Mike. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Now you have a few words for Frank wetting Camp.
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  Speaker 12: Yes, sir, welcome gentlemen, and Frank, thank you for your service.
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  Speaker 12: I'm glad to see you chose the best service that'd.
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  Speaker 1: Be in the Navy.
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  Speaker 13: There you go.
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  Speaker 12: You and my father may have swapped the same footsteps
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  Speaker 12: because my dad was in the fourth Marine Division, twenty
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  Speaker 12: fourth Regiment, and he did land on Saidpan Tenny and
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  Speaker 12: Andy Rejima. So he spoke very highly of you guys
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  Speaker 12: that transported him to those beaches, and unfortunately he did
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  Speaker 12: see a lot of action there Injima. By the grace
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  Speaker 12: of God, he did make it home. So did you
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  Speaker 12: ever have any opportunities to run across some of our
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  Speaker 12: diesel boat submariners and your towards of duty.
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  Speaker 13: No, I didn't. I was pushed all over the place
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  Speaker 13: pretty much. But I appreciate these guys. I went into
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  Speaker 13: the beach, you know, and I realized what they had
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  Speaker 13: to go through just just to get in that boat
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  Speaker 13: and go in and not know what they're facing. That's
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  Speaker 13: a different that's a different feeling all together than what
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  Speaker 13: I was used to because I was honest.
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  Speaker 12: This morning reminds me so much of the stories that
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  Speaker 12: we would sit and talk my dad had. He did
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  Speaker 12: share a lot with us towards the life for him. Yes, sir,
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  Speaker 12: and and as Brian knows, I'm involved with on a flight.
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  Speaker 12: Drew Pappas has been over there a lot too, and
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  Speaker 12: it is an honor of privilege to be there four
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  Speaker 12: times a year to shake people like your hand, because
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  Speaker 12: without you, we would not be here today living in
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  Speaker 12: this country. Thank you, sir am.
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  Speaker 13: I feel very humble about that.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you So Mariner Mike appreciate the call it. I
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  Speaker 1: know Frank does as well. And see what Tom has
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  Speaker 1: to say. Tom from Hamilton has a word or two
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 4: Frank. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Tom.
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  Speaker 8: First of all, thanks for his service. And I'm also
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  Speaker 8: another Navy man. I was stationed in Civic Bay. Also,
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  Speaker 8: do you remember the down name Alonapoll.
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  Speaker 13: Along a pool? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah, quite a little town.
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  Speaker 13: Wasn't quite a little town.
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  Speaker 14: Here we go.
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  Speaker 13: I was right by it.
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  Speaker 6: I was.
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  Speaker 13: I had something I did THEMB. I had these prisoners
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  Speaker 13: and they wanted to celebrate a birthday and I sent
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  Speaker 13: them into the law to at to p X to
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  Speaker 13: get something and they end up. They were wayward kids
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  Speaker 13: like and they end up and they end up in
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  Speaker 13: a long a pool and the Marines picked a up
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  Speaker 13: and put them in the prison. And I came over
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  Speaker 13: and tried to get them out, but they had broken
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  Speaker 13: their promise and they send them back. And I really
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  Speaker 13: was saying about that I couldn't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 13: I told the Breen lieutenant, come on, give him a break.
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  Speaker 13: They've had enough problem, but he couldn't do anything about it.
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  Speaker 4: Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for your service to our country. I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: you calling in today. I think we can get Jay's calling. Jay,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning. Welcome to the program, and
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  Speaker 1: I'll introduce you to Frank Wettingcam. Frank.
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  Speaker 4: This is Jay.
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  Speaker 11: Good morning, Frank. Thank you for your service. Thank you
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  Speaker 11: so much for your service. I really appreciate it. I'm
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  Speaker 11: glad to hear the callers calling in. And I don't
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  Speaker 11: know if we can ever, you know, do enough. Thank
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  Speaker 11: you doesn't seem to be enough, but man, we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 13: Well. Listen, I give talks on Veteran's Day and I
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  Speaker 13: always leave with the thought that these kids that are
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  Speaker 13: listening to me, we'll ever have to go to war.
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  Speaker 13: Oh wow, amen, everybody, which is the same thing. And
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  Speaker 13: thanks for calling, and I appreciate.
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  Speaker 4: Your appreciate it.
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  Speaker 15: Jay.
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  Speaker 1: John, You're gonna have to hang on again and go
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  Speaker 1: into a break here, but I love me just real
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  Speaker 1: quickly as as Drew and uh, Frank wetting Camp are
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  Speaker 1: Vietnam World War two veteran been talking back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: and Drew has been remarkably silent. Drew was singing Frank's praises,
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  Speaker 1: not only I mean we know from me saying it
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  Speaker 1: over and over this morning. Frank's ninety six. The man
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  Speaker 1: is in amazing health. He still lives inde penalty. He
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  Speaker 1: golfs every week. He's up there painting his own porch
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  Speaker 1: or painting his own house. It's like, how the hell
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  Speaker 1: you painting your own house? He goes, what I got
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  Speaker 1: a scaffold out? Next It's like, I don't even paint
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  Speaker 1: my own house. Frank, you are absolutely amazing. We've got
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  Speaker 1: one more segment with Frank Wetton Camp and Jay or
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  Speaker 1: John Rather. You'll be the first call out of the
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  Speaker 1: gate five one, three, seven, four nine fifty five undred,
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred and eight two three talk seven forty nine
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  Speaker 1: I fift You have Kercity Talk Station, A true celebration
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  Speaker 1: of Flag Day with Frank Wettingcamp. He's our ninety six
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  Speaker 1: year old in studio, World War two veteran still going strong,
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  Speaker 1: and he certainly can. He's got a great recollection of
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  Speaker 1: memory about his time at World War Two. And we
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  Speaker 1: got one more caller online to ask you a question.
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  Speaker 4: John.
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  Speaker 1: It's John John. Welcome to the program. Welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 15: Good morning, Brian. Thanks, I have a question from mister Wetcam. First,
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  Speaker 15: thank you for your service and being part of the
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  Speaker 15: men and women of the Greatest generation. And every morning
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  Speaker 15: I wake up and look at the news, I'm picking
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  Speaker 15: you people get greater every day, which there were more
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  Speaker 15: of these around.
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  Speaker 13: True, Thank you, Thank you, Joe.
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  Speaker 9: I'd like I did some.
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  Speaker 15: I read a couple of books about MacArthur, and I
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  Speaker 15: wonder what you Bluewater sailors thought of MacArthur when you
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  Speaker 15: were in the theater over there, because I know in
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  Speaker 15: some of the books he wasn't a huge fan of
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  Speaker 15: the navy, and what you guys at the shipboard level
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  Speaker 15: thought of him.
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  Speaker 13: We just knew that he was a good general in
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  Speaker 13: his moves, like when he went in the incheon in Korea.
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  Speaker 13: You know, I had a brother who was a frog
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  Speaker 13: man for thirty years and he he talks about having
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  Speaker 13: to do this under MacArthur. But you know, and I had.
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  Speaker 13: I didn't give much of a talk to anybody about MacArthur.
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  Speaker 13: But he was a deal maker, you know. Obviously made
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  Speaker 13: some deals in the Philippines that I reiterated. But he
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  Speaker 13: was mad at the Navy, and i'll tell you why.
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  Speaker 13: When he landed in Lady Halsey with his four aircraft
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  Speaker 13: carriers was supposed to keep the Japanese planes away, but
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  Speaker 13: the Japanese decided they sent out three decoy aircraft carriers
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  Speaker 13: and were traveling north. They drew Maguarth up with They
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  Speaker 13: drew Halsey away from Lady Beach after them. He wanted
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  Speaker 13: to kill all of those aircraft carriers. So MacArthur and
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  Speaker 13: him had a real falling out over that. Because Lady
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  Speaker 13: Golf at the time was the biggest worst naval battle
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  Speaker 13: that ever happened. They had the most ships. One incident
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  Speaker 13: was the Johnson destroyer going after a bat battleship and
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  Speaker 13: when they Japanese sunk it, the admiral of the ship
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  Speaker 13: that sunk it lined all his men up and saluted
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  Speaker 13: the Johnson as it went down, and uh and then
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  Speaker 13: veered off. And that's uh and Halsey uh, So that
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  Speaker 13: was one incident, but him and Nimmits never got along.
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  Speaker 13: Nimtz did not want to go into Aara, They did
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  Speaker 13: not want to go to three different He said, we
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  Speaker 13: can blockade the Philippines, cut off all their supplies and
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  Speaker 13: let them starve the death. We don't have to land
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  Speaker 13: people there. They didn't have to land a Mettoia Palah,
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  Speaker 13: two different islands. And Nimbus worse against it. But Truman, Uh,
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  Speaker 13: not Truman, but Roosevelt at the time. Okay, MacArthur had
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  Speaker 13: to go into the Philippines. But because of his promise.
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  Speaker 1: His promise, Yeah, he made the promise out loud, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad he did. John, Thanks for the call, man,
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  Speaker 1: really appreciate that. Before we wind up, I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: bring up the Sonise Foundation because it was through the
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  Speaker 1: Gary Sneeze Foundation that you and Drew Pappus, our silent
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: guests today met Drew. You can chime in on this
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  Speaker 1: the story of how you met Frank and how you
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  Speaker 1: came to be friends.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Thanks.
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  Speaker 16: First of all, five years ago, Colonel Todd Mayer arranged
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  Speaker 16: for the sydneyse Foundation to take approximately forty one World
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  Speaker 16: War two veterans and forty one guardians down to the
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  Speaker 16: World War Two Museum in New Orleans. And if you
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  Speaker 16: ever get a chance to go to New Orleans for
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  Speaker 16: any other purpose, go for the World War Two museum
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  Speaker 16: down there at National World War Two Museum. It is
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  Speaker 16: it is great. And so I was assigned through luck
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  Speaker 16: Frank at got the best guardian and that was me.
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  Speaker 16: And you Yeah, that's right, that's true, and be half
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  Speaker 16: of that is right.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 16: They treated us like gold. They treated they the first
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  Speaker 16: class all the way. I mean, Honor Flight does a
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  Speaker 16: fantastic job. I mean, you know, week in, week out,
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  Speaker 16: month and month out. The Sidneys Foundation much along the
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  Speaker 16: same lines, took care of everything.
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  Speaker 4: And it was an experience. It was. It was.
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  Speaker 16: I was talking to Todd Mayor last night and Frank
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  Speaker 16: will vouch for this. It was a trip of a lifetime.
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  Speaker 16: It was first class and I got to experience. And
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  Speaker 16: it was for three days, three.
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  Speaker 13: Ninth three days.
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  Speaker 16: And you know, forty guys, forty World War Two veterans,
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  Speaker 16: some of which we had to carry on and off
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  Speaker 16: the buses.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 16: Jack Snyder from the West Side was there. Rest in
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  Speaker 16: peace he had you know, he passed away a few
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  Speaker 16: years ago. Remember Jack and just hearing the stories with
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  Speaker 16: these guys was something that cannot be replicated, can't be
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  Speaker 16: can't be recreated.
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  Speaker 4: Really, it was just amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been pals ever sense that's fantastic, And thank
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  Speaker 1: you Drew for bringing Frank and Frank coming in. It
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  Speaker 1: has been a distinct pleasure having you in my studio
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you, to hear your you know, the
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  Speaker 1: stories that you recall from World War Two, and the
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  Speaker 1: fact I know that you're still out there speaking to
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  Speaker 1: young people.
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  Speaker 4: That is outstanding.
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  Speaker 1: You're a real true treasure and uh, we don't have
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  Speaker 1: enough of you around anymore.
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  Speaker 4: That's it. That's a real shame and reality of life. It
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  Speaker 4: marches on.
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  Speaker 1: But thank you for passing along the love and the
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  Speaker 1: lessons learned for World War Two.
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  Speaker 13: Okay, my friend, I was glad to do it. And
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  Speaker 13: a little plug for Andy here. He had us at
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  Speaker 13: the what what the hell was that place? Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 13: on Veterans today. We had people coming. It was up last.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a bunch of.
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  Speaker 16: Tod did I just helped out a little bit, very small,
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  Speaker 16: but you know, I got to tell you this is
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  Speaker 16: a treasure people need to take part in. I mean,
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  Speaker 16: this is something. We're losing more and more.
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  Speaker 4: People every day. Obviously it's the way life is.
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  Speaker 16: But I mean the fact that we've connected and connected
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  Speaker 16: with so many other veterans and so many other great
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  Speaker 16: guys and girls. It's just it's an honor. It really
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  Speaker 16: is an audio for me to be at least here,
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  Speaker 16: you know, and we're gonna go have breakfast after this.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy it. Yeah, they have a couple of cocktails. Wid
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  Speaker 4: This guy sounds a.
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  Speaker 1: Fun guy to hang out with.
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  Speaker 4: Frank's a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: He definitely is. Frank a distinct pleasure. God bless you
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  Speaker 1: for your service to our country and spending time in
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  Speaker 1: the studio today with my listeners in celebration of Flag
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  Speaker 1: Day and an honor of you, my friend eight thirty
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  Speaker 1: fifty gout FIRCD talk Station. Very Happy Monday today made
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: you an extra special happy because the return of Mandy
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  Speaker 1: Gunnas Sakara, author of Y'all Fired, a Southern Mills Guide.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: You're restoring federalism and draining the swamp we had around
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  Speaker 1: in October when the book first came out. She spent
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  Speaker 1: at the center of the US energy and environmental policy
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  Speaker 1: for a full decade from the Senate cloak Room to
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  Speaker 1: the Oval office of Veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and
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  Speaker 1: community cater served during President Trump's first term as chief
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  Speaker 1: of staff at the US Environmental Protection Agency. Currently a
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  Speaker 1: visiting fellow the Heritage Foundation, and welcome back. It is
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: a real pleasure to have you back on the show, Mandy.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, good to be with you.
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  Speaker 9: Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can I just sort of sum up what
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: I think your perception is that this DOGE Department is
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: like the answer to your dreams?
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, I think he summed it up. Well, it really is.
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  Speaker 18: And it's man, it's such a beautiful thing to see
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  Speaker 18: because having been on the inside, even in my position
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  Speaker 18: as chief of staff and the access to the information.
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  Speaker 17: That I had, it was hard to paint the whole picture.
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  Speaker 18: You could pinpoint specific types of waste, fraud or abuse
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  Speaker 18: or redundancies and efficiencies.
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  Speaker 17: You could pinpoint those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 18: But it really is a beautiful thing where you have
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  Speaker 18: someone like Elon and his really talented team of software
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 18: engineers going and looking at the data and then painting
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 18: a big picture in ways that all of us can
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  Speaker 18: understand and all of us can see, and is an
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  Speaker 18: absolute misuse of taxpayer resources.
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  Speaker 17: So yeah, it's an answer to a lot of prayers.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, well, sunlight, it's a great disinfect and lord knows,
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  Speaker 1: we're getting a lot of it. And one of the
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  Speaker 1: problems that I'm sure you probably during your period of
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: time in the administration, we're as frustrated as anybody else
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: the obstructionism that comes when when people that are responsible
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: for the oversight of our dollars, subcommittees, committees, the congressmen,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: the congress women, the senators, when they're told basically go
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: to hell when they ask for information.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, really, I know, I know, it's it's really frustrating,
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  Speaker 18: and it's you know, that is part of their responsibility.
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  Speaker 18: Their responsibility is to report back to the public how
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  Speaker 18: they're using these funds and what it's actually doing. But
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  Speaker 18: it's not just the members of Congress, I mean you,
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  Speaker 18: it's also these bureaucrats, these entrenched deep state bureaucrats.
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  Speaker 17: And here's the truth.
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  Speaker 18: There is a there is a crisis of expertise on
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  Speaker 18: Capitol Hill.
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  Speaker 17: Frankly, you have a.
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  Speaker 18: Lot of people there that don't really know what they're doing,
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  Speaker 18: so they're hot wholly dependent on deep state bureaucrats. Who've
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  Speaker 18: been working at their job for thirty years to give
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 18: them information they don't otherwise know how to get. So
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  Speaker 18: that's how the deep state works. They don't give them
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  Speaker 18: all the information. Maybe they give them a little drip
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  Speaker 18: drip here. But it's been many decades of this type
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 18: of imbalance between an agency funded to eight at the
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 18: tune of eight billion dollars and as EPA is an example,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 18: with that oversight staff of less than.
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  Speaker 17: Two million dollars trying to perform oversight, and.
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  Speaker 18: So you just have this massive mismatch and the resulting
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  Speaker 18: consequences is just decades of layers of complexity and us
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 18: not knowing how our resources are spent well.
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  Speaker 1: And it's also seemed to be very obviously a just
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: simple lack of care of how money is spent. I mean,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Musk over the weekend was talking about, you know, over
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: looking at through the Department of Treasury, right Treasury department,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: and he says, you know, I was told that there
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: were currently over one hundred million dollars a year of
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: in time went payments individual with no social Security number,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: even a temporary ID number. And see, you know, he
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: pulls the room and Treasury he says what percentage of
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: that is unequivocal obvious fraud, And the consensus in the
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: room was at least fifty billion dollars of it. That's
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: something that's simple to fix. Look, no social Security number,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: no ID, you don't get any money. How hard is that?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 18: It shouldn't be difficult at all? But that's what these agencies,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 18: they've just become all about, constantly asking for more money.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 18: There is no incentive for the everyday bureaucrat to find
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 18: ways to be incentive, to find ways to cut costs
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 18: and to be truthful about the expenditure of those costs.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 18: And there's this this mentality, this culture in DC that
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 18: people are almost entitled to these taxpayer resources, and when
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 18: you come in and you ask questions, they like to
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 18: pretend like they're these global do gooders and they're saying, oh,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 18: but this poor person is going to lose access to
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 18: these resources that they really need. Meanwhile, that person isn't
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 18: even getting the fund. To the extent they're getting any
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 18: it's barely enough to actually live.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 17: But you know, it's coming off the top.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 18: A fair amount is coming off the top and going
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 18: to nonprofits that either pad them personally or their relatives
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 18: or just grow the power of the left, which is
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 18: ultimately what they want.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, non governmental organizations NGOs, you know, and quite a
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: the ole. We're five oh one c three, we're not
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: for profit. Yeah, but you're making a salary of four
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: hundred and five hundred thousand dollars a year. Is president
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: or CEO the five o' one C three? I mean,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: that's what's happening.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 17: Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's so discussing. It's
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 17: so many of them is going to the spouses of people.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, just just look at the net worth
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 18: of someone like Samantha Power. She was the administrator, the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 18: head essentially of USAID, and her net worth grew five times.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 17: I think that's right. It's around that it's a significant number.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 17: Grew five times. Her salary has.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 18: Been the same salaries for bureaucrats are typically capped out
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 18: around one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, somehow she
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 18: has a mass a multi million dollar fortune and it
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 18: just leaves you scratching your head, Huh, where did that
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 18: money come from? And it's most likely because it was
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 18: funnel to nonprofits of what she or her family was
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 18: sitting on the board and they get to reap the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 18: benefits of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds going into
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 18: their back pocket, and they cover it up by saying, well,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 18: we're helping the poor in the world, We're giving people
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 18: in Africa access to water and food.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 17: But really they are just patting their own personal coffers.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Well, and as I read through the list of these
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: things that the Doge has revealed and the comments from
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: the senators that you know, I had no idea that
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: this money was being spent this way, And I said,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: wait a second, aren't she responsible for the power of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: the purse? I mean, you go ahead and you allocate
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: forty million dollars to USA, but then you stop. Somebody
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: had to approve the project. But ultimately, you know, twenty
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: million dollars goes to a sesame street show in a
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: rock And then how much of that twenty million dollars
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: really went to the sesame street show in a rock production.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: It didn't land in some corrupt officials pocket. They don't
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: follow the trail of the money, and some of it
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: just stops once the aid's been allocated to the general
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: collective US AID fund.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 18: Yeah, that's right, and it's there's no accountability and no oversight.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 18: And that's why you see the people who are screaming
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 18: the most, or the ones who have the most to
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 18: lose in terms of this personal racket or money laundering scheme,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 18: if you will.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 17: That's that is what it is.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 18: These people are using their positions of trust and consequence
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 18: to siphon money off to the side to their benefit.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 18: And they use stories of people that most people would
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 18: say like, yeah, they could use some help, or of
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 18: course we would want to take care of these vulnerable populations.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 18: They use that as a cover for their own sick game.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 18: And those are the people who are sitting outside of
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 18: USAID or some of these other areas that are throwing
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 18: up their hands, and the Democrat members of Congress who
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 18: are at the front of the line because they are
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 18: recipients of campaign donations from these people who are putting
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 18: taxpayer resources in their own pocket.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the to me, that is the most.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want I want to call it comical that
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: they're screaming at the top of their lungs over these
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: funds being identified, these outlandish, outrageous programs that no American
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: could find straight faced legitimate. They're not saying that the
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: money didn't go to these stupid programs like shrimp running
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: on treadmills. They're just screaming about the general focus on
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: USA and the fraud, waste abuse and defending it for
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: some reason. Just there's there's no denial here. There's no
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: that didn't happen. That's a lie. Elon Musk is making
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: that up.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 18: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating to see.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 18: And I will say though, it's it's frustrating to see
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 18: some of the reaction, but you know, those people are
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 18: in the minority now and that is a really wonderful feeling.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 18: And the cats out of the bag. I mean again,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 18: some of us who are on the inside. Some of
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 18: it was the fact that we didn't really understand the
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 18: links the deep State would go to cover their tracks,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 18: and they had decades to figure out ways to cover
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 18: up their tracks, and they're very, very good at it.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 17: So we were all in there.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 18: You know, you're drinking from a fire hose is the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 18: words people often used to describe what it's like to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 18: go into these positions, and a lot of us went
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 18: in not knowing that the tricks that the deep State
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 18: would use not just to confuse, but to try to
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 18: undermine and to hide what they were actually doing.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 17: All that's over, So it really is.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 18: Great to see Elon Musk, his team, Department of Government Efficiency,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 18: and most importantly, the American people see this and they're
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 18: behind the President and his work one hundred and ten percent.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it as well as I do. Yeah, Mandy,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: that they've only scratched the surface. I mean, Elon Musk
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: has identified some real low hanging fruit just in one
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: USA department. I mentioned the Treasury Department. He's worked there
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: as long as he can get his access back centers
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: for Medicare and Medicaid Service, National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Department
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: of Energy, and Lord Almighty, nobody wants me more, that
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: wants the military spending to be audited more than me.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: They can't even pass an audit seven or eight times
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: in a row.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 4: Mandy.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 17: I know, and I'm sure I'm sure you've seen.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 18: There was an interview not too long ago of one
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 18: of the UH one of the heads, one of the
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 18: people who was responsible for these types of audits, and
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 18: you know, she was just incredulous that people would wouldn't
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 18: trust them. Yeah, we felled audits, but you don't understand
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 18: what an audit is is essentially her response, and it
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 18: doesn't really matter. Like again, this goes through there's this
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 18: culture of people in DC that are so arrogant and
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 18: so flippant about their very real responsibility. And when people
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 18: come around asking basic questions that they cannot answer, Uh,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 18: they they just they try to belittle you say that, well,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 18: you don't really understand it. If you were, if you
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 18: were like me, you would understand. So yeah, look, Elon
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 18: Musk is scratching the surface. This type of misuse and
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 18: miss expenditure of funds.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 17: It permeates every single agency.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 18: So there's a lot more to come, and I'm excited
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 18: to see it, for it to finally be exposed.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: A lot more to come and maybe even I'll keep
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: my fingers crossed some criminal investigations into where this money
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: has landed. Manny, give us the car. Author of Y'all Fired,
• 1:50:23
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• 1:50:27
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  Speaker 4: This is what the book's about.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I said, I know she's seeing it
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: just come all to fruition with it being ferreted out.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: Mandy.
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  Speaker 1: I got your book up on my blog page, but
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• 1:50:45
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, what it's like after y'all fired. Yeah, well we'll
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 17: come up with a guts out. But thank you, thanks
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 17: for having me and thanks for the support.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Pleasure man, it's been a real treat. Hi's Ryan Thomas
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: pleased to welcome to the fifty five Cassina Morning Show.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati native Anson Freiks. He has a wild background. He's
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: the founder of Athletic Capital and co founder of Strive
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: Asset Management, but prior to founding Strive, he led finance
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: sales and underscore the word marketing operations as president of
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: Anheuser Busch Sales and Distribution company, and he's written a
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: book about it. Last Call for bud Light, The Fall
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: and Future of America's Favorite Anson. It's great having you
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: on the show.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks for having this morning, Brian, Well.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: What a dream job running a brewery and one of
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: the biggest in the world. That had to have been
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: a good time up until what happened. And how come
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: you're not there anymore? Anson?
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, So brid just be clear, I left about a
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 7: year before Anna hazer Bush's partnership with Bill Maulvaney, So
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: I wasn't there when the partnership happened, but I left
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: in part because I saw a lot of these problems
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 7: coming down the pipeline where the company really stopped focusing
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 7: on its customer, knew who its customer was. I mean,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: when I was at Ane hazer Busch, we tried to
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 7: win the Super Bowl ad Meter Award every single year
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 7: and that was really sort of the gold standard if
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: you got if you won this Superowl Adameter Award, that's
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 7: when you knew you were hitting the core customer. But
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: over time, once the company was bought by kind of
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 7: European and Belgian company called InBev, and you had a
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 7: lot of sort of foreign folks from Europe and Belgium
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 7: and in Brazil coming to the US, and they really
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: changed the marketing. They changed the marketing to fit more
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 7: of this diversity, equity inclusion standards. They're trying to win
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 7: awards over in Europe. That was forcing bud Light and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 7: not do what bud Light was. So I saw the
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 7: company changing a little bit left. About a year before
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 7: me and I actually founded a company with vid A
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 7: Ramaswami from Cincinnati as well called Drive to ask companies
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 7: not get involved in political issues. So it was really
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 7: a collision of two worlds. When my old company, an
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 7: Hunter Bush did the partnership with Dylan Malvaaney about two
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 7: years ago actually this week, and then the company we
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: started with Strive, we was telling companies now to get involved.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: In these things.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: It was bad for business. I became sort of the
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: person that was most knowledgeablebout the topic and kind of
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: what went wrong.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: Were you perhaps an impetus behind the Vex's book Woke Incorporated?
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: You know this was uh, this was this was before
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: Vivid wrote the book, right when we were kind of
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 7: starting Strives. I think he was the one who wrote
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 7: Wolks Incorporated. And you know, I wrote this book Last
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 7: Call for bud Life, and hopefully it's sort of the
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: last time that companies need to get involved in political
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: and social issues and reminds people that man, the most
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: sustainable thing a business can do is focus on its customers,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 7: give them great products and services, stay out of all
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: the issues that companies have gotten involved in over the
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: last couple of years. Whether it's been the transgendered issues,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 7: whether it's been roe Vy weight issues, whether it's been
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: voting rights issues.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, you name it.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 7: You've had so many companies get involved in things that
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: really aren't in their mission or their their their core
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 7: kind of customer promise. And that's what's led to a
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: lot of the issues. Whether it's been at Disney, or
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 7: it's been at Nike, or it's been at Starbucks, Ben
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: and Jerry, you name it. There's been so many companies that, unfortunately,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 7: have lost millions of customers, you know, billions of dollars
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 7: of value and have had to fire a lot of
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 7: employees or have had their suppliers shut down solely because
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: they fragmented their customer base by by you know, getting
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 7: involved in issues they shouldn't be.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it defines logic reason that a major corporation like
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: Anheuser Busch would engage in actual advocacy along any of
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: these lines, because, of course, the world is filled with
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: a diverse group of people and that already holds that
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: particular ideology that they would be alienating a sizable chunk,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: particularly a beer company, a sizeable chunk of their base.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: It just seems so obvious. How is it that any
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: advertising department could just fail to recognize such a simplistic, logical,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: and reasonable concept as that and go the opposite direction.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you're you're right, Brian. I mean, you know,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 7: most beer drinkers, they just want their beer cold and
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: they want it fresh. That's essentially the value proposition, even
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: for a brand like bud Light. Bud Light was the
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 7: biggest beer brand in the US because it had this
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 7: idea that wanted to be easy to drink, easy to enjoy.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 7: It was like an easy drinking, simple logger, and it
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: was always a humorous, funny, kind of kind of beer brand.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 7: And really, I think a lot of the DNA of
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: the company. It changed really in the two thousand and
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 7: eight two thousand and nine time period when Anne hazer Busch,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 7: which was this historic US American owned brand and beer company,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 7: was bought by InBev, which is again this European and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 7: Belgian company. And then also when the company the Europeans
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: and kind of Belgians who bought it. They moved the
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 7: headquarters of an hazer Bush from Saint Louis, Missouri, to
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 7: New York City. And this happened in sort of like
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 7: the twenty sixteen twenty seventeen time period. And at that time,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: all of a sudden, you're hiring people that just grew
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 7: up in New York City, that only attended New York
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: City schools. They had only seen the US through the
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 7: lens of you know, kind of Fifth Avenue, and that's
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 7: not really who the core beer drinker was. And even
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 7: the lady that was running bud Light when named Alissa Heinerschnein,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 7: who was doing the part who did the partnership with
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 7: Dylan Malvaney. I know Alyssa, and you know, nice, nice girl,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: but then grew up in New York, went to boarding schools,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: went to Harvard for undergrad went to Wharton and UPenn
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: for business school. You know, I don't know if she
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: never drank a bud Light in her life. I knew who'
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 7: somebody who was And so that's where the company really
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 7: started going wrong. And then on top of that, there
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 7: was a real sort of push over the last five years.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: By this I called this coalition of of sort of
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 7: a DEI and ESG enablers. That was, you had large
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 7: asset managers like black Rock, State Street, Vanguard, the Control
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: twenty two million dollars a capital, largest investors in company
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 7: like Anhezard Bush. They were pushing this esgdi agenda. You
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 7: had large consulting companies like McKenzie and Bain. They were
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 7: kind of selling DEI consulting services on how companies needed
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: to become more diverse, more equitable, more inclusive. And then
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: you had a lot of really activist organizations, especially under
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 7: sort of like the Biden administration, that were going to companies,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 7: things like the Human Rights Campaign, things like other organizations
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 7: that really pushed sort of aggressive ideologies on companies and
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: shame them if they didn't if they didn't abide. And
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 7: so therefore you had this sort of you know, coalition
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 7: of actors that were putting a lot of pressure on companies.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 7: And as you had sort of the wrong people at
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: the companies that were running brands, Unfortunately they were susceptful
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 7: and fell for you know, this this progressive agenda that
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 7: just didn't sit with most most Americans.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: Well, so you have basically this echo chamber of liberal
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: voices talking to each other and only listening to each other,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: but failing to appreciate that the underlying motive and reason
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: that the business is in business is to generate profit
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: and revenue. I mean, they seem to have lost track
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  Speaker 1: and the focus of what was important is that's serving
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  Speaker 1: the shareholder's best interest. That's a fiduciary obligation of board
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: of directors' owns. And again, you got to step outside
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: of yourself and think even these left wing nutcases that
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: haven't heard anything but their own voices have to understand
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: that they don't hold the only viewpoint and they might
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: want to do a little bit of polling and research
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  Speaker 1: ahead of time to find out if this is the
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  Speaker 1: right road to go down, because it may be bad
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: for the bottom line.
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  Speaker 7: Brian, You're exactly right, and that's it. And unfortunately a
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  Speaker 7: lot of these folks they didn't do the thinking and
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 7: they thought, and frankly, they got away with it for
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 7: a number of years, and there was this more of
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 7: philosophical battle that's been going on for really ten years
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 7: of what's the purpose of the corporation. You talked about
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: historically businesses that they were in the business to give
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 7: returns to shareholders. That was kind of the Milton Friedman
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 7: view of the world. That's been happening since the nineteen
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 7: seventies where Milton Friedman, famous economists here in the US,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: wrote this article about the social purpose of a business
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 7: is to return money to shareholders. How do they do that?
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 7: Create create products and services folks in your customer that
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: allows you to get to do more innovation, hire more people,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: you know, be involved.
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  Speaker 6: In your community.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 7: And there's been this push towards this more this European
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 7: stakeholder capitalism model, which is that's the cloud Schwab world
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 7: economic form, this globalist kind of view that says no, no,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: businesses need to work with governments and other stakeholders, the
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 7: kind of social engineer policy. I reject that view because
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: then you end up with what we did over the
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 7: last couple of years, where you had businesses getting involved
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 7: in all these social and political issues that alienated their
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 7: customer base. That led to millions of customers leaving these businesses,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 7: thousands of people getting fired, and then massive losses in
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: share market value for companies. And that's not sustainable.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not, and the demand for beer I don't
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: think went away. What this did to bud Light, the
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: most popular beer in Erica at one point, is people said,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to buy that because of this woke
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: crap and this you know, this Dylan mulvaney person. I'm
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: going to go over and I'm going to sample maybe
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: one of the other thousands of beers that exists, and
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: they found there were other beers that were maybe even
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: tasted better that they chose over bud Light. They were
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: longtime bud dry Light drinkers, weren't inclined to try something else,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: so this forced them to try another product, and they
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: found out in the world of competition, if you make
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: a better product, people will buy it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's exactly it.
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  Speaker 7: And I think one of the other things that this
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  Speaker 7: showed as well, this is one of the very first
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  Speaker 7: times that there was actually like a real consumer boycott
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 7: of a brand. You know, there's been a lot of
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 7: people that were upset over the last five years, maybe
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 7: the NFL when you had a lot of players kneeling,
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 7: or the NFL was was going down. You know, the
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 7: whole Black Lives Matter movement, which became very controversial but
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 7: the thing is like if you are you know when
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 7: I watch football on Sundays, there's no real alternatives in
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 7: the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 7: One of the reasons is bud Light boycott was so successful.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: There's really two reasons. One, there's a lot of alternatives
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 7: to bud Light. I mean everywhere you have butt Light,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 7: cores Light, you have Miller Lite, and they're all in
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 7: the same six packs, are on draft and the same
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: price points. It's really easy to pick those up. And
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 7: then secondarily, people were seeing the impact that they had
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 7: because every single week, sales of bud Light are reported
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 7: at retailers like Walmart and Kroger in seven to eleven,
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 7: so every week you were seeing that sales were down
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 7: ten percent, twenty percent, thirty percent. And then you were
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 7: seeing all these pictures on social media nobody being in
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 7: the bud Light line at you know, Cincinnati Red's gates
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 7: or a Bengals games, they're.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: Off the cores lightlines for it's start.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 7: Now you're at the point where bud Light sales, I
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 7: mean they've been down. They're down fifty percent from where
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: they were two years ago, which is absolutely crazy to
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 7: think about. You see a brand implode like.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: That last call for bud Light to fall and future
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: of America's favorite beer. Speaking of the last component of
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: the subtitle, is there a way for them to rehabilitate?
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Can bud Light ever recapture that top spot?
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  Speaker 7: You know, I don't think into the current leadership that
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 7: they can. They had multiple chances to go to their
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: loyal consumer base say hey, we screwed up. We never
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 7: said but like involved in these like in these political
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 7: and social issues, and so I think the current the
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 7: current group, which is again is a Belgian owned company,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 7: and they have US leadership that hasn't been able to apologize.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: I think what they actually do is they actually need
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 7: to sell the US business. I think they need to
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 7: sell that US business back to a group like I
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 7: don't call it Warren Buffett or Berkshire Hathaway or who knows,
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 7: maybe the Bush family. And I think you need to
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 7: have real leadership come back in for the for you know,
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  Speaker 7: the American population, they're actually pretty forgiving. And I think
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 7: if you just went to them and said, you know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 7: I always say, like the path that forgiveness goes through redemption,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 7: You're never going to be redeem unless you admit there
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 7: was an air, and nobody's admitted there's an air. So
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 7: you have to have a strong leadership team come back
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 7: in and say, hey, we screwed up. There's a new
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 7: ownership in place where American owned once again. We're going
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 7: to earn your trust back by being just this funny, humorous,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 7: great tasting logger that you can enjoy at barbecues and
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 7: sports and music festivals. And that's what we want to
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 7: do it. I think they actually can get back to that,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 7: but it's not going to be innto the current ownership group.
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  Speaker 1: It's been fabulous talking with you, Anson Frereks. He is
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: again since a resident author of the book we're talking
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: about today, Last Call for bud Light, The Fall and
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: Future of America's Beer, A favorite Beer. Answering your books
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five carsy dot com with
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: a link where people can easily get a copy of it,
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure they will. Fascinating conversation and interesting analysis
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: of really bad decisions in the wrong direction. You have
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: a wonderful day, so it's been a real pleasure having
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  Speaker 1: you on the program. Welcome to the fifty five Cars
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show. Author Doug Ernest in the name of the
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: book we're talking about this morning, The Spirit of a
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: True Patriot, the inspiring story of retired Captain Doug Ernest,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: who also now is a successful businessman. Doug, it's a
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the program. Let me start
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  Speaker 1: by thanking you for your service to our country.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for that wonderful pleasure and that introduction. I
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 5: cannot say thank you enough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to the business because I think it's
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: an integral part of what you learned from. Obviously a
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: horrific situation in the military. You served an Operation Desert Storm,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: and as you describe in the book, jumping out of
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: your M one thirteen personnel carrier, it sounded a lot
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: like what the experience on the beaches in Normandy. We
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: get all this more to rounds and gunshots and explosions
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 1: all around you. I mean, how old were you at
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 5: I had just turned eighteen. I had joined the Army
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 5: at the age of seventeen, spent six months in training infantry,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: airboard school and some other classes, and then I went
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  Speaker 5: off to Saudi Arabia about two weeks after I finished
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 5: my training. Eighteen years old when that experience happened.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: Eighteen years old, and you know, I've sort of come
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: to the realization over the years they have a cutoff
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: with enlisting in the military because guys like my age,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: I'll be sixty in September, Doug and Douglas and you
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: couldn't I have a problem with authority anyway. But jumping
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  Speaker 1: out of an M one th thirteen personnel carry amid
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: bombs and blasts and gunfire, that scares the living crap
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: out of me right now. But as an eighteen year old,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 1: what was your emotional reaction went to that and the
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: other warfare and the challenges you faced during the Operation
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  Speaker 1: Desert Storm.
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  Speaker 5: My emotional reaction was really simple. I had a great
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 5: one reaching ship with the war when I was younger
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: because I was grew up and that type of environment
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 5: with my family, attending a Lutheran school and always having
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 5: a presence with the Lord. And I was just communicating
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: with him consistently throughout the day, and so were my
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: brothers that I was with. We were having prayer groups together,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: we were having spiritual caathery. We were every time we
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  Speaker 5: could get together, we grab each other's hands and to say,
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  Speaker 5: please Lord, guide us, give us direction, please ask us
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  Speaker 5: the Lord to end this conflict quickly, because not only
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  Speaker 5: did we not want to get hurt, but we you know,
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  Speaker 5: as human beings and loving men, we don't want to
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  Speaker 5: hurt other people. And it was hard as a kid.
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  Speaker 5: I think the hardest part too, was knowing that I
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 5: might be inflicting collateral damage on people that we were
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 5: firing these weapons at. That was hard for me because
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  Speaker 5: I grew up as a kid, peaceful and I did
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 5: not want to hurt people. I did not want to.
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  Speaker 5: I could not see the pain that I knew if
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 5: I had hurt someone. I wasn't ready for that yet.
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  Speaker 5: I had learned how to train, I had done this
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 5: in simulation, but I wasn't ready to actually kill another person.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the general mindset of the majoriyority of your
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  Speaker 1: your comrades, because you know, we had this this ridiculous notion.
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  Speaker 1: I feel so badly for the men and women and
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  Speaker 1: mostly men who served in combat of Vietnam and they
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: got treated so miserably. They were called baby killers, and
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: they got a reputation with all the Hollywood movies depicting
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: Vietnam that they were just running around gleefully killing women
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: and children. I think of you know, like the machine
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: gunner and the helicopter at oh what was that movie?
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, but that they relished in the fact that
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: pulling the trigger had no concern or care for collateral damage.
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  Speaker 1: What's reality, as you saw in an operation Desert Storm.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's the opposite is true. But what you
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: see in these Hollywood movies when you have these cycle
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  Speaker 5: paths that are trying to, you know, inflict damage upon
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  Speaker 5: their human beings. Ninety nine point nine nine percent of
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 5: those that serve in the military in our country are
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 5: always number one concerned is not hurting somebody else? And
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 5: if you do have to inflect damage and use these
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: ammunition and these rounds to get your point across to
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 5: get your territory, you do it shock and all you
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 5: get the damage over with, you attempt to get the
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 5: other side to concede so that you can stop. And
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 5: you know, and we and that's the way we've been
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: this in the military in the last two hundred and
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: sixty years of our country. Has there been some outliers
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 5: where there was some things that maybe shouldn't happen, of course,
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  Speaker 5: but that's that one percent of one percent of one
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  Speaker 5: percent that happened ninety nine point nine percent of people
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  Speaker 5: in the military. And the way that I was trained
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: and brought up in the military is you just have
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: a complete, one hundred percent unadulterated shock and all program
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: where you get to your point across and you get
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 5: it done swiftly and quickly so that the enemy will
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: concede and you can move on and we'll stop the
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 5: damage on both sides so that the war will come
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 5: to an end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking earlier this morning with the retired lieutenant
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: colonel about the situation with Russia and Ukraine, and we
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 1: just pray that they'll put end that ridiculous dispute soon
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: because the loss of life is just overwhelming. And you
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: know your your your faith in God is right, I
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: somehow have a sense, and having never been in combat
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: or served in the American military ever since, if you
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: have a profound belief that your connection with God and
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: that you will be embraced and have this this wonderful
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: after life, having you know, served God and committed to
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: your faith, does that take the pressure off of the
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: idea of dying.
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  Speaker 13: It does?
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  Speaker 5: It gives you you know, and you use that a
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: few moments ago, you use that example from the movie
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: called The Populipse. Now people, you know, as a kid,
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 5: I watched that movie and then later I was putting
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: myself on a battlefield and I asked myself, what in
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 5: the world have I done? So, yes, the people that
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: I served with, the majority of us were Christians. We
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 5: had a few people that were in my platoon that
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: were Buddhists and so forth. But everybody had some type
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 5: of outer spiritual connection to a lord or something they
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 5: believe was a Lord, or something that they believe was
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 5: their savior. They're guiding universal force. And without me having
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: that universe of force, I don't think I could have
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 5: mentally or taught natively gotten true. So for me having
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: that spiritual connection to my Lord at that point in
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 5: my time, not only did it resonate with me and
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 5: my fellow brother that I was on the battlefield. That
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 5: gave me that chance to be able to stay connected
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 5: with the Lord and that relationship with my Savior. It
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 5: stayed with me my whole life. It's with me this morning.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I just said a prayer, you know, only
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 5: fifteen minutes ago, to make sure I speak well and
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 5: I do a good job, you know, to serve my
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 5: country and to serve my fellow sisters and brothers that
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: are serving right now, so that I can do an
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: excellent job. And I did this relationship where I feel
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 5: like the Lord comes through me. He guides my life
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 5: as a of where I'm going to go every day,
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 5: and it just seems like it's just a part of
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 5: my life. And I see, you know in our communities
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 5: in our country, most of our country, about seventy percent
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: of it this Christian base. So we do have this
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 5: well that do embrace it, do use it. They can
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: actually have a better life, help themselves and to just
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 5: have a better life that's connected to our Lord.
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  Speaker 1: Did your service in the American military, along of course
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: with your profound faith which is coming through clearly? Did
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: that serve you in your business world? Because I understand
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: that you have a very successful might be jealous about
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: this corvette car dealership in Dallas, Texas. See you sell
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: exclusively corvettes.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 5: Yes, and absolutely the name of my business is Corvette Warehouse.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 5: If you can just Google search a Corvette warehouse, you
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: can't miss it. We're the largest corvette dealer in the Southwest.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 5: And the skill sets in the military absolutely on definitely,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 5: without a doubt, added to the business sense of mine,
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 5: my business acumen. They teach you skill sets in the military,
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 5: like how to get things done, how to make things happen,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 5: how to work with a team, just playing all down
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 5: to the nitty gritty skill sets that you need in
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 5: life to be successful, things that you need to need
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 5: in life to be happy, to be fulfilled, to be
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 5: able to work hard, and then no one to take
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 5: the break and sit on the sideline. So I learned
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 5: these skill set and I had the best mentors and
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: the best leaders anyone could ever ask for in the military.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 5: When I was in the infantry, I had the best leaders.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 5: When I was in a staff job working at a brigade,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 5: when I was doing boring workle supply and signing for
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 5: millions dollars of equipment and never being on the field,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 5: you know, being in a hotel room if you will.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 5: I never had a bad leader. I've been so fortunate.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 5: I've met so many people. I've everybody in the military,
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 5: the most nine to nine point nine percent of them
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 5: want to get ahead. They want to educate themselves, they
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 5: want to learn, they want to be good parents, they
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 5: want to be good people. That want to take care
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 5: of themselves physically. So learning these skill sets one hundred
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 5: percent gave me access to the knowledge. It gave me
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 5: access where to go get the knowledge I need. And
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 5: when I got out of the military, I set my goal.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 5: You know that I was a hobby that I loved
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 5: playing with corvettes, that I wanted to do something I
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 5: love and I was passionate about. And I definitely understood
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 5: that these skill sets let me into the direction I'm
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: losing my falling in life so that I could be
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 5: good at it, but also having something when I can
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 5: enjoy every.
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  Speaker 15: Day of my life.
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  Speaker 5: And one other thing I'd like to that book now,
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  Speaker 5: on the spirit of a true patriot, I write about
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  Speaker 5: the skill sets you learned in the military. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the quick heuristics, the shortcuts, theology, being on the move,
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  Speaker 5: always doing something, to have your body in motion every day.
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  Speaker 5: If you have your body in motion, your inertial forces
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  Speaker 5: will propel you forward. You can't be three hundred pounds
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  Speaker 5: overweight and expect to be a great business leader. You
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  Speaker 5: can't be four hundred pounds overweight and expect to be
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  Speaker 5: a great parent, because you're going to pass those skill
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  Speaker 5: sets off to your children. So I learned that if
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  Speaker 5: I can percent use the skill sets that I learned
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  Speaker 5: in the military and passes off to people, that actually
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  Speaker 5: reinforces my skill sets and it gives me a sense
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  Speaker 5: of satisfaction to fulfillment that I've done the best I
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  Speaker 5: can do by passing off these heuristics that I learned
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  Speaker 5: to other people.
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  Speaker 9: In this world.
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  Speaker 1: So the name of the book is the spirit of
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  Speaker 1: a true patriot inspiring story of My guest today, retired
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  Speaker 1: Captain Douglas j Ernest, who are you hoping reads this book?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I obviously had a target audience in mind,
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  Speaker 1: and I presume it's maybe the entrepreneurial folks out there.
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  Speaker 1: But who else might benefit from the book? Douglas?
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  Speaker 5: You know, that's a great question, and I was when
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  Speaker 5: I wrote this book. My intent was to direct it
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  Speaker 5: towards people that were thinking about military service, or those
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  Speaker 5: the parents that were thinking about military story, because that's
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  Speaker 5: where my aim was. But as I wrote the book,
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  Speaker 5: I was told later by friends and colleagues, man, that's
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  Speaker 5: a good book. That's a management book, that's an executive
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  Speaker 5: leadership book. And I didn't recognize that part of it
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  Speaker 5: until after I wrote it because I had been living
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  Speaker 5: this life of leadership and going to leadership school, and
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  Speaker 5: it's just abred character. It's a part of my life.
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  Speaker 5: Later when I read it, I've been told and I
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  Speaker 5: reread the book over and over that it is it
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  Speaker 5: is a management book. It is something how you can
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  Speaker 5: not only manage a business, manage your life, manage your career,
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  Speaker 5: but also have a better life with your physical, with
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  Speaker 5: your with your spiritual, with your children, being a great parent,
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  Speaker 5: being a involved in your community. It just has just
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  Speaker 5: basic shortcuts they teach you in the When I joined
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  Speaker 5: the military, I was twenty five pounds overweight. After I
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  Speaker 5: joined the military, that weight was gone and I've never
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  Speaker 5: put that on. I'm in the best physical shape you
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  Speaker 5: can possibly imagine for the last thirty years of my life.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like I'm twenty years old. And it's because
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  Speaker 5: of this that they taught me in the military. Well,
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  Speaker 5: this Book of a True Patriot has those shortcuts in
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  Speaker 5: there that you can use to make improvements in your life.
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  Speaker 5: And I believe it will help anyone that will take
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  Speaker 5: the plunge and go spend the fifteen bucks to take
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  Speaker 5: the opportunity and buy the book.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure it sounds extremely uplifting and inspirational,
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  Speaker 1: and that's all. That's a lot of what we need
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  Speaker 1: right now. Douglas Ernest, thanks again for your service to
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  Speaker 1: our country and for the inspiring book. I'll encourage my
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  Speaker 1: listeners to get a copy of it, which will make
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  Speaker 1: them easy to do at fifty five KRC dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Will add it to our blog page with a link
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  Speaker 1: to buy a copy. Thanks again, man, it's been inspiring
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  Speaker 1: talking with you, man, it really has well.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate you, and I
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  Speaker 5: appreciate you getting the mesa adopt those people out there
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  Speaker 5: that need want it to more than's good stuff. So
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  Speaker 5: help our nation prosperous and continue this nation for another
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  Speaker 5: two hundred and sixty years.
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  Speaker 1: Amen to that, brother. You have a fantastic week.