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The Late Debate | 12 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debate. It's great to have your company
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  Speaker 1: on the Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Store
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  Speaker 1: and filling in for Caleb Bond. The Great Kel Richards
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  Speaker 1: coming up tonight. A Melbourne family desperate to sell their
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  Speaker 1: home enlist the help of a Hollywood movie star. Will
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  Speaker 1: show you the commercial they produced a little later. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: when we look at the papers, police warn that someone
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  Speaker 1: will die because of overcrowding in Gold Coast watchhouses, and
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  Speaker 1: the Legal Aid Department in the Act explain how they
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  Speaker 1: came to hire a convicted child sex offender to be
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  Speaker 1: involved in child cases. All of that when we look
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  Speaker 1: at what's making news tomorrow. But first let's start in
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  Speaker 1: the UK, where the government have been advised to show
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  Speaker 1: empathy to children who identify as animals. The guidance came
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  Speaker 1: from the Children's Society. That's a taxpayer funded charity that
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to protect children from exploitation. Now follow the
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  Speaker 1: logic here, because maybe it's not as crazy as it
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  Speaker 1: seems if you subscribe to radical gender theory. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if a man can identify as a woman, who's to
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  Speaker 1: say a man can't identify as a cat or even
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  Speaker 1: a Lama. Indeed, the UK Health Minister Ashley Dalton recently
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  Speaker 1: said people who identify as Lamas should be afforded dignity
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  Speaker 1: and respect. Calvin liz I would say that the classic
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  Speaker 1: case of wooly thinking. Each person the charity explained that
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  Speaker 1: their experiences are unique, and so they've told government department
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  Speaker 1: to staff that they need to understand they'll never truly
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  Speaker 1: know how other people are feeling, and that they should
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  Speaker 1: try to be open. They should learn, they should listen,
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  Speaker 1: and they should exercise empathy when dealing with kids who
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  Speaker 1: are a identifying as animals and presumably apply rather supply
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  Speaker 1: large amounts of kiddi litter. This has implications for Australia too,
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  Speaker 1: because just last week a teacher in a Queensland school
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  Speaker 1: was stood down after it was revealed that she was
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  Speaker 1: identifying as a cat, wearing cat ears to class, licking
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  Speaker 1: the back of her hands and hissing at misbehaving students.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, The Courier Mail reported that Brisbane Girls'
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  Speaker 1: Grammar School had to deal with a number of students
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  Speaker 1: who were identifying as cats, even to the point of
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  Speaker 1: cutting holes in the back of their uniform. So that
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  Speaker 1: their imagined tales could find release. What makes me curious,
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  Speaker 1: kell And is this whole appeal to empathy. We're told
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  Speaker 1: that if you don't endorse people's feelings and validate them,
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  Speaker 1: then you lack empathy. And of course no one wants
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  Speaker 1: to be accused of lacking empathy, because that would make
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  Speaker 1: you a narcissist. And this is what I would describe
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  Speaker 1: as toxic empathy, where it's used to bully people into
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  Speaker 1: suppressing what they know to be true for fear of
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  Speaker 1: being thought an unkind person. But of course it's not
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  Speaker 1: kind to indulge people's stupidity, let alone their delusions, and
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  Speaker 1: let alone for children.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what happens when you indulge people's delusions,
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  Speaker 2: This is what happens when.
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  Speaker 3: You indulge people's fantasies.
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  Speaker 2: Now we've got people who are fully grown adults identifying
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  Speaker 2: as babies and staying home.
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  Speaker 3: It's all very grotesque.
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  Speaker 2: Having their nappies changed in a warm milo in their bottles.
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  Speaker 2: It is utterly disgusting to watch, and watching it just
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  Speaker 2: like this, you're once again reminded the mental health problems
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  Speaker 2: in today's society are just off the Richter scale like,
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  Speaker 2: we are not in Kansas anymore, ladies and gentlemen, we
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  Speaker 2: are so.
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  Speaker 3: Far off the reservation.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to kids, I want to start
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  Speaker 2: a campaign called bring back Bullying. Hear me, because if
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  Speaker 2: even ten years ago a kid had tried this on
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  Speaker 2: in the school yard, all the kids would have mercilessly
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  Speaker 2: mocked them, said, mate, you're not a cat, and we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to pretend otherwise, and nobody can tell us to.
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  Speaker 3: You're being an idiot.
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  Speaker 2: End of story, and they would have cut it out
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  Speaker 2: quick smart. It's in this society now where we're literally,
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  Speaker 2: in the name of empathy and compassion, as you say,
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  Speaker 2: told that we must facilitate people's mental health problems. That's
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  Speaker 2: what this is, and it's coupled up with several other
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  Speaker 2: things as well, those who identify as furries and actually
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  Speaker 2: go around dressed up as.
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  Speaker 3: A cat or some other furry animal.
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  Speaker 2: This Children's Society says that nearly one in eight furries
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  Speaker 2: also identifies as trans in non binary, which is twenty
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  Speaker 2: times higher than those not identifying as furries. So if
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  Speaker 2: someone's getting around confused about what species they are, confused
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  Speaker 2: about what gender they are for crying out loud. This
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  Speaker 2: is someone who genuinely needs psychological.
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  Speaker 4: Helpkel exactly exactly you said in your introduction, James, this
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  Speaker 4: may not be as crazy as it looks it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is everything follow the logic. The logic makes sense
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  Speaker 1: if you start with their premise. I meant, the premise,
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  Speaker 1: of course, is way off the.
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  Speaker 4: Ra well, the whole of the premise is wrong to
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  Speaker 4: some extent. This is a wash up of the whole
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  Speaker 4: trans thinking. In other words, you aren't what reality says
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  Speaker 4: you are. You are what you think you are. Now,
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  Speaker 4: if you start down that road, you start with boys
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  Speaker 4: who want to be girls and girls who want to
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  Speaker 4: be boys, and you end up with boys and girls
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  Speaker 4: who want to be dogs and cats and wild tigers.
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  Speaker 4: And identity politics has actually made it really hard to
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  Speaker 4: talk sensibly about mental health. What Liz was saying about
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  Speaker 4: mental health is the whole issue. The Left, who advance
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  Speaker 4: all the identity politics keep telling us there are mental
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  Speaker 4: health issues. People need to deal with, these serious mental
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  Speaker 4: health issues.
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  Speaker 1: But they're not.
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  Speaker 4: Dealing with them. They're pandering to them. And I thought
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  Speaker 4: of a parallel thought of anorexia. An anorexica is someone
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  Speaker 4: who identifies as being fat when they're in fact in
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  Speaker 4: a dangerously thin body. So they've got a mental problem.
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  Speaker 4: It's a mental health issue that they're dealing with. With anorexics,
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  Speaker 4: we don't say that's all right, that's perfectly okay. If
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  Speaker 4: you identify as being fat, will say you're fat and
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  Speaker 4: let them starve themselves to death. In that case, we've
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  Speaker 4: already worked out that's not what you do. You realize
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  Speaker 4: it's a mental problem, not a physical problem, and you
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  Speaker 4: try to give them psychiatric care to get them back
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  Speaker 4: on track. What's the difference between that anorexic person and
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  Speaker 4: the girl who imagines she's a boy or the girl
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  Speaker 4: who imagine she's feline rather than human. It's exactly the
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  Speaker 4: same mental process. So we have to be honest enough
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  Speaker 4: to say we recognize mental health, will we see it.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting phenomenon in our culture at the moment
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  Speaker 1: where it's almost like the problem is not that we're
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  Speaker 1: too bad. The problem is that we're almost too good.
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  Speaker 1: We've become so tolerant we don't associate it, so inclusive, we.
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  Speaker 3: Don't associate it so committed.
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  Speaker 1: To diversity that it's gone so far that then in
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  Speaker 1: the name of being kind in the name of being
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  Speaker 1: compassionate or empathetic, we end up damaging the very people
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  Speaker 1: we're supposed to be helping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a weapon that the left has
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  Speaker 2: used for ages. It was the exact same rationale they
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  Speaker 2: used around the same sex marriage debate. We want same
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  Speaker 2: sex marriage. Bake our cakes, blah blah blah. Anyone who
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  Speaker 2: raised any concerns was shouted down as a hateful bigot
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  Speaker 2: for youth in Asia debate, everyone who was like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think dying with dignity, which is what they call it,
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  Speaker 2: because again, this is all about compassion, and this is
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  Speaker 2: just all about helping people die with dignity and honoring
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  Speaker 2: their last requests, etc.
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  Speaker 3: And so on.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody else on the other side of the debate saying,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's much dignity in a state sanctioned
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  Speaker 2: injection to end a life.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about this. We're created in the image of God.
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  Speaker 2: Or if you don't believe in God, you have to
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  Speaker 2: know that human life is sacred amongst all lives on
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  Speaker 2: the planet. Maybe we should treat people with actual dignity instead. No,
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  Speaker 2: this is compassion and only this. You must agree to
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  Speaker 2: it at all times now we've got a raft of
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  Speaker 2: mental illnesses. And once again, unless you just say yes,
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  Speaker 2: unless you just roll over, unless you just use their pronouns,
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  Speaker 2: the billions of pronouns that there are, now most of
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  Speaker 2: them you can't even figure out how to pronounce them.
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  Speaker 2: Unless you do everything we say, then you're just lacking
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  Speaker 2: in empathy and you're just lacking in compassion. People have
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  Speaker 2: to on mass shrug off that rationale because it's not
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  Speaker 2: rationale at all.
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  Speaker 3: If I am lying to you, I'm no friend to
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  Speaker 3: you at all.
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  Speaker 2: If you are saying I think I'm deoce or I
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  Speaker 2: think I'm that, and I'm saying yeah, yeah, you absolutely are,
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  Speaker 2: and facilitating your delusion, I'm helping you make a fool
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  Speaker 2: out of yourself.
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  Speaker 3: In front of absolutely everyone.
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  Speaker 2: The Bible says it's the wounds of a friend, because
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  Speaker 2: a real friend will tell you the truth, but it's
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  Speaker 2: a fool that will flatter you no end and say, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: whatever your perception of reality is is.
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  Speaker 3: Perfectly fine we need.
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  Speaker 2: And again it speaks to how few friends people have
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  Speaker 2: these days. People have never been lonelier, they've never had
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  Speaker 2: less people in their lives willing to say I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to tell you the truth.
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem with tolerance, isn't it? Because Torrance just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really care. Tolerance says you do you and damn
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  Speaker 1: the consequences. But I'm not going to be thought a
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  Speaker 1: bad person by speaking truth to you. So I'll just
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  Speaker 1: let you carry on as you are and whatever happens happens.
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  Speaker 1: Tolerance is not that kind.
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  Speaker 4: Tolerance is unloving because the opposite of love is not hatred.
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  Speaker 4: The opposite of love is indifferent, correct, And that's what
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  Speaker 4: it is. It's indifference. We just's saying, in the end,
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  Speaker 4: you'll be mugged by reality, which is what happens to
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  Speaker 4: all of these people. In the end, they are mugged
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  Speaker 4: by reality, and we're going to let that happen. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to do nothing to help you, nothing to sort
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  Speaker 4: of get you back on track. We're just going to
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  Speaker 4: give up on you.
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  Speaker 1: I just.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we could say this again and again, but it
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  Speaker 4: is just so obvious. And I think this is a
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  Speaker 4: ninety ten issue. Ninety percent of Australians who agree with us,
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  Speaker 4: there's a weird ten percent who don't. This is what
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  Speaker 4: everyone thinks.
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  Speaker 1: Well, grace is where you say I think you're wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I still love you. That's why people say amazing grace.
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  Speaker 1: No one ever sang a song called amazing tolerance. How
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  Speaker 1: squeet the sound other issues. If the coalition win the
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  Speaker 1: election later this year, then Senator just Enter Price has
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  Speaker 1: been charged with slashing government waste, and I reckon she'd
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  Speaker 1: be sport for choices on where to start. But I
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  Speaker 1: think we may have found an area where she could
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  Speaker 1: immediately begin, and that's by axing the First Nations Ambassador. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a First Nation's ambassador. Justin Mohammad was appointed
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  Speaker 1: by the Albanezi government in twenty twenty three. His initial
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  Speaker 1: brief was to engage regional partners in voice, Treaty and truth,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of curious because I'm not sure what
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  Speaker 1: our partners in the Pacific have to do with the
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  Speaker 1: indigenous voice to Parliament here. But of course when that
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  Speaker 1: failed at the referendum, his job was redefined to help
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  Speaker 1: counteract China's influence in the Pacific, and I'd be fascinated
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  Speaker 1: to hear what Justin Mohammad has done to frustrate Jijingping's ambitions.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't smoking ceremonies, did a lot of smoking ceremonies.
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  Speaker 4: Lesson that's it, get rid of China.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that was it. He's also been charged at this
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  Speaker 1: with helping to develop a first nation's foreign policy, and
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what our first Nation's ambassador
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  Speaker 1: has to say about Trump's twenty five percent tariffs on
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  Speaker 1: aluminium and steel. Penny Wong says, he's opened up new
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  Speaker 1: channels of exports.
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  Speaker 3: For really and what are they?
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  Speaker 4: Non?
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  Speaker 1: Say what they are? Oh, the general expert point of praise.
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  Speaker 1: It's a role that clearly has been created out of
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  Speaker 1: thin air. Speaking of air, the First Nation's ambassador seems
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  Speaker 1: to spend quite a bit of time in it. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: the only people really happy with his role, I would say,
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  Speaker 1: is probably Quantus taxpayers have been spending twelve thousand, eight
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month in the last half of twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four paying for our First nation ambassador's international travel,
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  Speaker 1: hotels and meals. You can see there on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: No shortage of trips over the second half of last year,
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  Speaker 1: to Geneva to Vanuatu, to San Francisco to Dubai, to
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City and Washington to New York to Paris, to
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  Speaker 1: honor Lulu, I'll tell you what he has been everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: If you're totaled up all of the flights and international expenses,
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  Speaker 1: it now runs to a quarter of a million dollars
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  Speaker 1: in just two years that's been spent on this position.
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  Speaker 3: Liz, And where's our return on investment?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, even as a politician or a counselor local government counselor,
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  Speaker 2: when you go on these ridiculous junk kids, you do
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  Speaker 2: have to submit some little paper.
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  Speaker 3: The nps don't. They're supposed to be like, well, just
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  Speaker 3: my presence was.
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  Speaker 2: The value, obviously, but the local counselors they have to
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  Speaker 2: submit a paper just saying, look, this was what I
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  Speaker 2: got out of it, and hence the return on the investment.
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  Speaker 2: The rate payers have spent this money sending me over there,
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  Speaker 2: we see nothing. We see absolutely nothing. And also, because
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about the world's only first nations people, ambassador,
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  Speaker 2: I imagine that when he rocks up at these events,
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  Speaker 2: there is flummexed read what this guy's good for? As
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  Speaker 2: we are, you'd just be like, who is this bloke?
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  Speaker 2: Learn his title, and still be like, okay, so what
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  Speaker 2: do you do?
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  Speaker 3: What are you good for?
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  Speaker 2: Why would I even strike up a conversation with you.
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  Speaker 2: What are we going to get done? It's extremely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: We love doing these things, particularly the Alban Ezy government
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  Speaker 2: loves doing these things.
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  Speaker 3: That are world firsts. And then you look at them
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  Speaker 3: and you.
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  Speaker 2: Realize why their world first tell nobody else had such
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  Speaker 2: a ridiculous, redundant idea.
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  Speaker 4: And you've got to get back to basics. The basic
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  Speaker 4: principle is why do you have an ambassador to represent
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  Speaker 4: some Australians and not all Australians. Ambassador's jobs is to
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  Speaker 4: represent everyone in the nation. I mean, if this is
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  Speaker 4: going to be a founding principle and we'll have ambassadors
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  Speaker 4: for groups, can I put my hand up to be
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  Speaker 4: the ambassador for baby boomers because that's my general I
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  Speaker 4: could represent baby boo Australian baby boomers around the world.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we likeing to go on treks to discover
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: the lost masters of Elvis, Presley and Memphis, really useful
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  Speaker 4: things for baby boomers.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's this Helban easy government ideas.
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  Speaker 4: Kel I think there's a fundamentally absurd idea that you
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  Speaker 4: have any ambassador representing some Australians and not other Australians.
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  Speaker 4: To Enterprise has said she will abolish it when she
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  Speaker 4: becomes the Minister for Indigenous Affairs. We look forward to that,
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  Speaker 4: and that's just another reason to vote for the Coalition
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  Speaker 4: in the coming election. It's coming soon. You'll have your
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  Speaker 4: chance here.
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  Speaker 2: Something else we're looking forward to is hopefully President Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump saying that this twenty five percent tariff on steel
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  Speaker 2: and aluminium doesn't apply to Australia. We know that our
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  Speaker 2: Prime minister has had that very interesting phone call which
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  Speaker 2: none of us are privy to. No promises were made
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  Speaker 2: on the line, but here's what Albo did disclose. Well.
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  Speaker 5: President Trump gave a very clear signal yesterday when he
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  Speaker 5: said that an exemption for Australia is under great consideration.
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  Speaker 1: There his works are.
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  Speaker 5: They're consistent with the discussion that I had with President
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  Speaker 5: trumpet was a very warm and constructive discussion and engagement
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  Speaker 5: will continue to do so.
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  Speaker 2: Better than nothing will take it. These tariffs come into
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  Speaker 2: effect on March twelve, so we have a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of time to play with already. You may remember back
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  Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, Trump threatened to do the same and
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  Speaker 2: Australia negotiated getting off the hook.
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  Speaker 3: So we were Home and Hose.
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  Speaker 2: But there was one caveat on that agreement when they
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  Speaker 2: said that we would be exempt from the tariffs. The
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  Speaker 2: deal was that Australia would not use that exemption leverage
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  Speaker 2: it to create a massive advantage and massively up there
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  Speaker 2: exports of aluminum to Australia well to America. Sorry, well, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: that's exactly what we did. When you look at the
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  Speaker 2: graphs from twenty nineteen, our exports of aluminum to the
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  Speaker 2: US go through the roof.
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  Speaker 3: They more than double.
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  Speaker 2: So the guys in the States are saying, you guys
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  Speaker 2: broke your word, which is creating a bit of nervousness here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going, well, maybe we won't be exempt this time because.
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  Speaker 3: We did break our word.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Peter Navarro, Trump's top trade advisor, explaining that Australia
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  Speaker 2: we are singlehandedly nuking their aluminium trade over there.
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  Speaker 6: Australia is just killing our aluminum market. And the President
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  Speaker 6: Trump says, no, no, we're not, We're not doing that anymore.
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  Speaker 6: Australia's primarily aluminum when it comes to the United States
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  Speaker 6: and the The major companies in Australia are held majority
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  Speaker 6: owned by the largest shareholder is China, and what they
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  Speaker 6: do is they just flood our markets. After Biden let
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  Speaker 6: them gave them an agreement that said, don't flood our markets,
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  Speaker 6: you can have a reasonable amount. Our aluminum industry Pamela
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  Speaker 6: is on its back. It's a fifty percent capacity utilization rate.
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  Speaker 6: In Australia it's ninety percent.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know what Peter Navarro's smoking, because Australia's
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  Speaker 2: imports into the United States of America of our aluminum.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, aluminum.
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  Speaker 2: What even is that properly marked is just two point
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  Speaker 2: five percent of the aluminium that they import.
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  Speaker 3: So to suggest that our imports.
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  Speaker 2: Have got your industry on its back like a dead
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  Speaker 2: cockroach is just ridiculus. Also, China isn't the big biggest
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  Speaker 2: importer that they use either, That is Canada. Canada is
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  Speaker 2: steel an aluminium. They're the biggest country on both accounts there.
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  Speaker 2: I just couldn't help but notice a lot of inconsistencies
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: in what he said back. I was like, that bit's wrong,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: that BET's wrong. I mean, we genuinely are responsible for
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: just two point five percent of their entire Aliminium is
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the issue.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: The amount that we exported to the US or is
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the issue that we said we would do one thing
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and then we did another. I think that's the bigger
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: point that he's trying to make. Regardless, it presents a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: big problem for Anthony Albanese.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, is that howpfault though? Because they took it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: They could have just been like.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, I mean it's been years since twenty eighteen.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they let us import it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: The bigger problem is Anthony ALBERANIZI because this statement from
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the I reckon representative happened just twenty four hours after
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Anthony Albaneze had come out and said we had a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: forty minute phone call. You know, remember Anthe Albanesi boasted
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: that he was scared, very scared of Donald Trump. I
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: won't say exactly what he said. There was a couple
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: of expletives. But now, Anthonyobernez He's had a forty minute
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: phone call. It's all been fantastic. Trump's described him as
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a fine person, and within twenty four hours it's all
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: fallen apart. It looks like the appearances Albanze had been
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: given not that solid. And Albanize he needs this. The
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: country needs.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: It too, by the way.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm not sure who needs it more, Australia or
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Anthony Alberanzi, because if he doesn't get this deal, it
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: plays into that narrative that the Albanese government have not
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: been on the front foot with our relationship with America,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: that all the things they've said in the past have
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: now come back to bite them, and that the Albanze
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: government don't know how to represent our best interest.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: And it's the whole big narrative of Albany. He is
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: a week leader, I mean, so if it falls over that,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: that will be the issue that comes back. I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: when Malcolm Turnbull negotiated a carve out from some tariffs
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: in America, it took him seven months. Alberanze has got
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: four weeks to get this done. And we are already
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: covered by the tariffs because the tariffs have no exclusions,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: so we're in and they come into effect on the
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: twelfth of March. So somehow between now and the twelfth
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: and March, he's got to get us carved out.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Forgetting killed. We've got doctor Rudd in Washington, so it's
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: going to be okay.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Now, I wasn't forgetting was suppressing it. There's a difference. Look,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: this Navara. You're right, Liz, he's a worry because he
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: gets a lot of stuff wrong. But if he's still
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Trump's advised, I mean, I also this is just me,
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: but he said when we did the deal with Prime
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Minister Morrison we had this extra bit was added as
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: a verbal agreement. Verbal just means in words. It doesn't
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: mean a spoken agreement. He means an oral agree. So
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: he's one of these people who's stuffing up the English
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: languages all as well as his knowledge. So I'm sorry,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: but he is, as well as his knowledge of Australia's
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: aluminium production. But if he is Trump's advisor, Trump will
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: listen to him. I think there's a big hurdle to
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: get over. It might happen. I mean they might actually
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: do it, if they might succeed in persuading Trump, yes
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: we'll carve you out. But it's now just looking very
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: if he isn't it.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see how Peter Dutton the Coalition
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: handle this one too, because on the one hand they
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: want to see Anthony Albanezi fail, but on the other
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: hand they can't be seen to be barracking for him
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to fail, because that would be against the National interest,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: so they need to be pretty careful about the way
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: they speak about this situation.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, for now, they'd be very glad that Albow's in
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: those shoes and help them.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Indeed, well, I'm sure most people are very well aware
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: of a couple of nurses in a Sydney hospital who
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: said on a video chat to a Israeli man that
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: if any Australian Jews came to their hospital, they would
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: kill them. The video is gone, not just viral in
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Australia but around the world and caused an incredible amount
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of shock. It's like every time we think we've seen
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the worst anti semitism in this country, and politicians come
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: out and assur us there's no place for it, there
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: will be no tolerance of it. Then you wake up
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the next morning and something even worse has happened. Most
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: of our viewers would have seen this video, but I'll
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: tell you what, I've seen it a few times today
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: and every time I watch it, I'm shocked all over again.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Here's what happened.
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna be really honest with you. You actually got
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: a really, really beautiful eyist. But I'm so upset that Israeli,
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: like eventually you're going to get killed, and Jahanda, it's
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: pretty iron in this world for longer.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Why do you think, Why do you think I'm going
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to get killed?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: It's Palistine's country, not.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: One one day, and the time will come.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: And you will die the most we spread them.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And when time comes, how are you doctors?
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I want you to remember.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, I have a question though, all right, all right,
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: for sure, I.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Have a question though. I have a question. Let's say
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: let's say an Israeli.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Read them, I won them, I'll kill them, You'll kill them.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: So if an Israeli is in Australia and that's forbid,
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: something happened to him and he comes to your hospital,
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: would you kill him?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: You have no idea how many Israeli? How a dog
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: came to this hospital.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And unbelievable stuff. The New South Wales Health Minister Ryan
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Park said the pair will never work for New South
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Wales Health ever again. And I would have thought that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: would be the least of the consequences what he had
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: Those people subject to that investigation will not ever be working.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: For New South Wales Health again.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: There is no place, no place in our hospital and
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: health system for this sort of view to ever ever
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: take place.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Now police are now investigating. It'll be interesting to see what,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: if any charges are laid, particularly in light of the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: fact that the New South Wales Parliament just recently passed
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: strict new hate speech laws. Have a listen to Chris
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Min's speaking because he makes a very important point. Not
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: only is this rank anti Semitism, but when you start
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: calling into question the integrity of the hospital system, you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: really are putting all Australians at risk. What he had
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to say on radio.
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: Today, we need to send a clear, unambiguous message that
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: if you go to an emergency department, if you're on
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: a ward anywhere in New South Wales, you'll be treated
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: by people who have a highly trained who are highly skilled,
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: that care about you. And I can understand right now
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: members of the Jewish community, and even though that our
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: members of the Jewish community would be appalled at this
• 26:18
  Speaker 9: latest revelation, we just can't stand for it.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Just before we get into a bit of a discussion
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: about all of this, can I just draw your attention
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to Mark Butler, the Federal Health Minister. He tweeted about
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: this incident today and I just thought this tweet tells
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: you everything that's wrong with the government's response. He writes,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the video circulating in New South Wales is appalling. Can
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I say the video is not appalling, The attitude of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: those two nurses is appalling. He says, the idea that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you would single out a particular group in our community, well,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I wonder which particular group he's speaking of. He should
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: be particular because it was a particular group. I'll help
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the Health minister it was Jews that they were talking about.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: But of course he can't name the Jews as a
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: particular group who are the victims in this, because then
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you'd have to be particular about the group that were
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: making the claims. And then he goes on to say
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: that they indicate they wouldn't care for a particular group. No, no,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the situation is far worse in this country than that,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Mark Butler. They're not saying they wouldn't provide care. They
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: were saying they would kill Australian Jews who came to
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: that hospital. And this is the problem that happens over
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and over with this issue, that our politicians, particularly our
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: federal labor politicians, will not call a spade a spade.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They try and downplay the problem, won't provide care. They
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: were threatening to take people's lives a particular group. They
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: were talking about Jews. If you can't call out the problem,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: God help you ever trying to solve it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: And we have got an issue with our federal government
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: because they've been soft on this for fifteen months. They've
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: been soft on this. Now they've just passed a law
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: which actually must cover this action. It's the Criminal Code Amendment,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Brackett's Hate Crimes Bill, which was just passed with the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: support of the Coalition, and that bill is about incipment
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: to violence and this can't be anything except incipment of violence.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: It takes out intent, which is really hard to prove,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: and replaces it with advocate or reckless speech. Now, at
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the very least, even if they thought they were being funny,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: which they weren't, they were clearly serious.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And they've since claimed that the male nurse there, who
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: incidentally came to Australia from Afghanistan when he was twelve
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: years old, became an Australian citizen four years ago, so
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see if that's looked at. But
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: he claims it was all a big misunderstanding.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: It was a jokekell But even if it was, it
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: comes under that heading of reckless speech which might incite
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: someone else to commit violence. It is covered by the Act.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Now if they are not charged under that act, what
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: it tells us is the a Belize government passed this
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: act saying we're tackling at his emotism. But it's just
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: for show. It's performance. They're just saying, you know, see,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: look we're doing something, but they don't actually charge anyone
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: under the Act. I think that that's a big test.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Someone I know said to me today, I now would
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: feel really uncomfortable going into hospital if any of the
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: nurses were Muslim. Now, that's unfair to Muslims, right, They're
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: blanketing an entire community like that is really unfair. And
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: there are some fabulous Muslim Australians, but those two people
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: have done that damage to their community.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. I just want to go to a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Catholic hospitals.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Well, that's how segregation starts.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not actually people being forcibly segregated, it's people
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: being made to feel unsafe dealing with anyone but their own.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: So then you know, you could apply that to different religions.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: You could apply that to different.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Skin colors, people naturally feel like, well, I'm going to
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: be taking care of by my own. The others I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: not so sure now, And naturally that's how Jewish Australians
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: are feeling with regard to I mean, if you were
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: going to hospital for any reason right now and there
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: was someone who appeared to be Muslim, you would be
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: hoping that they weren't of that ILK. This is just
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: such an extraordinary story that there's this like chat room
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: streaming type thing online.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: This Israeli guy just buzzes people.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: And likes to ask them what do you think of Israel?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Almost like you know, a taking the pulse of just
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: all these randos who pick up. Apparently that's what the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: chat room is for, and he gets these two vile flogs.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Little did they know justice would be this swift, that
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: that would actually go viral. They probably had no idea
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that they were being filmed. You have to believe that,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: otherwise surely you'd be smart enough to shut up. But yeah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this is really laid such an incredible case Bear. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think that this would be captured under incitement
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Kell because given the conversation was just between the three
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: of them, this wasn't being broadcast to anyone, etc.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: And so on.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Who exactly would they be inciting. Incidentally, I'm very much
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: against those laws that the federal government have passed. I'm
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: a free speech absolutist. Once you pop, you can't stop.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: And that's what these guys are doing, beefing up bills.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: That censor your speech. You can argue that's for the good.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I will argue that's for the bad, because at the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: end of the day, free speech is hate speech. You
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: either have both or you have neither, and I personally
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: very much want both.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they were stupid in the sense
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: that they didn't realize that this video was clearly going
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to go viral, or maybe they were just incredibly brazen
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: because they've been emboldened by the fact that for fifteen
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: months not much has happened at all, as anti Semitism
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: has ramped people and up and up, and they just
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: felt incredibly bold to say whatever they damn well please.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: People have not been prosecuted. I mean, that's the big deal.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: We have not seen people prosecuted. From the ninth of
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: October twenty twenty three, when the big demonstration was in
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: front of the Sydney Opera House, before Israel had fought
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: back against Gaza or done anything. On the ninth of October,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: there was an ugly demonstration that was illegal, that broke
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: law was no one was ever charged. Can I change
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: the topic. We need to lighten up a bit because
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: this gets us really depressed. You know there are people
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: who say, I can't watch the news anymore. Too depressing.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: So we'll talk about something else. We'll talk about pets
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: being allowed on aeroplanes. That's depressing. The Virgin is about
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to launch this because the Civil Aviation Authority has made
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: as possible you'll now be allowed to take your pet
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: on your aeroplane. The details of Virgin's pets on planes
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: policy have emerged, including the weight limit for the pet
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: plus the carrier. It's eight kilos, so it has to
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: be a softball carrier for the cattle of the dock.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: It's a size cat.
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: I got to say, well, but you can get dogs
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: that size. Eight kilos is a fair sized Adam. And
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: you know what you do when you get a neuroplant,
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: You put it under the seat in front of you.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: That means the pet person's behind me and it's under
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: my seat and I want it under my seat.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: This was proposed by virgin about a year ago, and
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: they're still trying to work through all the regulatory aspects.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Because of course you've got food issues, because you're going
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: to be preparing food basically in a tin can at
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: thirty thousand feet with animals crawling around. You've got issues
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of allergies. I'm allergic to cats and dogs, so I
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: can't imagine having your moggie under my seat for three
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: or four hours as I fly to wherever. And then
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they've got the issue, of course, of what happens if
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: a dog just starts barking. I mean it's bad enough
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: when you've got babies, and I've flown with little kids,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: so I totally understand how difficult it is for parents.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But I mean it's pretty bad when you get a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: kids screaming as you're coming into land and their ears
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: are adjusting. But could you imagine a dog, well just
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: going off and not a.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Thing of them defecating.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: Well, coach to be cleaned out before they get on
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: the plane. But how many will be allowed on a flight,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: because if one dog starts barking, all the rest will
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: join in and you will have a chorus up and
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: down the end, the cast.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Will start freaking out. You'll have pandemonium. They're going to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: allow two rows, apparently on select Virgin flights, primarily between
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Melbourne and Sydney. I got to say, I flew into
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Sydney last weekend and as I was exiting the terminal,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I thought I need to go to the bathroom, and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: so I went to you know, down the sort of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the corridor where you normally go to the bathroom, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I was going to go into the disabled toilet. Actually
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: this because I just really needed to I just needed
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to go faster.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: You don't admit that. You don't admit.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: That it is what happened right where the disabled toilet
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: would normally be. They've now put a toilet for animals
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: within the terminal, and we've got a photograph here that's
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: inside that I actually went in there out of curiosity.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: You can see they're the artificial turf at the rear
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of the toilet there that's where you take your animal.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: So terminals are already preparing for this initiative by Virgin
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a Reek.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Anyone who has smelled a cat's urine, No that is going.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: To add Mark their territory, don't they They mark their territory.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: We had a really well trained little dog. Once we
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: could take it outside and the command was empty, and
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: it did it was terrific. But how can you ensure
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: that anyway? The whole thing is just so.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I think this will be so short lived for a
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: very simple reason. Everyone will be avoiding those particular.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Fly absolutely, and Virgin will just.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: Be like, yeah, this really isn't lucrative. Is it really
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: could have told you that before it got off a blueprint.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a pretty simple concept, and you've just
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: got people who aren't.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Pet people at all.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: I can appreciate other people's bad not when I'm locked
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: up with them on an aeroplane against my will, but
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I can appreciate other people's pets. Then you have people
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: like you who are allergic to sounds like everything, And
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: then you have other people.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Who even have phobias.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And genuinely like if a dog comes up to them,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: they're like, no, get out of here.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: But I'm a dog person. I love dogs, absolutely adore dogs.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: I just don't want to be locked in an aeroplane
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: for an hour or two with dogs. A dog, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: dogs are wonderful. They just love you, you know, without
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: any reservation. So love dogs don't want my aeroplanes, that's
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the answer.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I actually think this could be a wonderful and very
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: successful advertisement for Quantus Airlines. They should start marketing themselves.
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  Speaker 1: We only fly human beings, although the fairies would be confused.
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  Speaker 1: So there is that. We're going to go the reason
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  Speaker 1: to run it. Indeed, when we come back, we'll look
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  Speaker 1: at what's making news tomorrow, including police on the Gold
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  Speaker 1: Coast warning that overcrowded watchhouses means someone could get killed.
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  Speaker 1: That's coming up in just a month. Welcome back. Let's
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: take a look at what's making news tomorrow. Everyone knows
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: there's a crime crisis in Queensland. In fact is there
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: seems to be a crime crisis pretty much everywhere in
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  Speaker 1: this country.
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  Speaker 3: And fordually it's not special.
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  Speaker 1: But the Gold Coast Bulletin have got a story. It
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  Speaker 1: seems to go from bad to worse for they do.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, their jails are bulging and they're afraid something very
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  Speaker 2: bad is going to happen. Exclusive cops worry about death's
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  Speaker 2: at capacity in at capacity Gold Coast and logan watchhouses,
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  Speaker 2: lock ups, fatality fears, the splash reads beat cops, fear
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  Speaker 2: of death in custody is watchhouses on the Gold Coast
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  Speaker 2: and logan overflow with prisoners and hit capacity regularly. Quote
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  Speaker 2: when you have that many people staying for extended periods
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  Speaker 2: in places that are not prisons, it heightens the risk
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  Speaker 2: of illness and injury, or it'll end in a death
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  Speaker 2: of a child. None of us should be forced to
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  Speaker 2: wear that risk. End quote. Source said sounds pretty dire.
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  Speaker 2: I forget about watch houses. They're usually the things on
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  Speaker 2: old Western movies where they're like, can't take them to
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  Speaker 2: the jow, but they lock them up in that corner in.
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  Speaker 3: The sheriff's office.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that obviously in order for the lockups
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  Speaker 2: be that full, they're arresting a sizeable number of people
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  Speaker 2: within a pretty short period of time.
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  Speaker 3: That's also concerning.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who are these people filling up the lockups
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  Speaker 2: with purely larity.
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  Speaker 4: This is just part of the dysfunctional disaster that this
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: coalition government under Chris Fooley has inherited from their labor predecessors,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: from Miles and Palaschet. They let the crime problem build up.
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  Speaker 4: They never spend enough money on building lockups, prisons, watchhouses
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  Speaker 4: or what have you. So they've inherited this and quite frankly,
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  Speaker 4: how they sort it out of no idea. They've got
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: to find the money somewhere to do something.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say they've inherited a mess, I mean
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it's on every level. I mean, if you go right
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  Speaker 1: back to the very basics of policing, police have been
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: hamstrung in Queensland for so long. You think of the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: issue of car theft and police are not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: give chase and so you've literally got i know, in
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  Speaker 1: North Queensland kids stealing cars as police have to give
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: up a pursuit because they're not allowed to chase. Then
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: if they get them to court, you've got problems with
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: sentencing and kids released on bail. And now you've got
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  Speaker 1: watchhouses over crowding where you could get to a situation
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  Speaker 1: where the Union are encouraging police not to make arrests
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: because then they fear they'll be responsible if they put
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: someone in the watchhouse and it all goes bad. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you're right, the L ANDP have inherited a absolute dog's breakfast.
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  Speaker 4: How they fix it, I don't know.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they can fix it, but it's going
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: to take time, and the L ANDP have been judged
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  Speaker 1: pretty harshly in the first three months for not getting
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: crime under control. It took labor what nine years to
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  Speaker 1: make a mess of it. It's going to take David
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Chrius fully more than three or four months to get
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  Speaker 1: it under control. Let's go to the Canberra Times, speaking
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: of things not under control, track record defended the Act
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Service finally reveals how a child sex offender was hired. Well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I'm very curious to hear the defense. Let's read the article.
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  Speaker 1: It says Legal Aid Act is finally revealed how it
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  Speaker 1: unknowingly hired a convicted child sex offender for a role
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  Speaker 1: that involved working on sensitive cases involving children. I'm on
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  Speaker 1: the edge of my seat. I'm sure you are too.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: The next paragraph contains two words human error. I got
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: to admit I did laugh when I read that. Well,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that explains it. It was human error, as most things are.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: What happened was they gave this self described and I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: quote pedo a job in the agency before his working
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  Speaker 1: with children. Police check had been returned. Now there was
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: an issue concerning this particular person who had a change
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: of name, and so that meant it took longer to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: get the police check back than it normally would have.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: But the issue here was they started this person working
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: for the agency before the police check had been returned.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty big human error when you've got someone
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  Speaker 1: who had been convicted for transmitting child abuse material now
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  Speaker 1: working on cases involving vulnerable children. And if you were
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: a parent whose kid was being looked after all, the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: case was being attended to by this person who only
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: worked there for a few weeks before they realized the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: mistake and corrected it. But shee As a parent, you
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: would be ropable. You've already had a broken trust in
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: terms of what had happened to your child. Then you
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: go to legal aid and the very people who are
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: meant to help and support you then put your child
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: in danger all over again.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Someone should be fired for this something of the importance
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: of this enormity. It's not just a oh sorry, dump
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: human error. You don't get to make human error when
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: you are literally in the defender's office trying to look
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: after children and you have hired a self described pedophile,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: someone who has been found in possession of child abuse
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: material and disseminating that online. This is one of the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: most vile crimes you can possibly imagine in my books.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: The fact that this guy obviously thought he could get
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: away with it as well, was naturally going after a
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: job cell that worked with children, Like no one can
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: convince me that wasn't with some.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Sort of sick, evil intent. Then God we found him
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: when they did.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: But like for crying out loud, if you're going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: do your due diligence regarding onboarding in any kind of industry,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: looking after any kind of people, it should be this one.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: And you're right, someone should be sacked because it's simple.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: It's basic. Okay, here's a basic rule. You don't employ
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: anyone until you have the working with children clearers than
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: the police. Really simple rule. It's when the simple rules
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: are broken you're in big trouble. In Tasmania, they are
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: more concerned about what's happening in education because the headline
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: in the Tasmanian Mercury says too many ditching class. The
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: story says Tasmanian State schools have the second worst attendance
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: record rates in the nation. As student absences continue to
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: be significantly higher across the country than they were pre COVID.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: There is this thing of school refusal, where kids who
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: went through this horror of COVID, in effect expulsion from schools,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: stay home. You don't need to go now, are just
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: refusing to go back. I've heard a story about a
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: lovely old lady we know who's a grandma and her
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: daughter nine year or ten year old granddaughter. It was
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: just refusing to ten school. This is the kind of
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: behavior that's happening. I presume this is the kind of
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: thing that's happening in Tasmania. I'd like to know the
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: rest of the story. If they are the second worst,
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: who is the worst.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: The other issue is not just kids not wanting to
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: go to school, but there was an article the other
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: day talking about the high number of high schoolers who
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: are not going right through to year twelve, which they're
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: blaming on mental health issues, which I'm sure is part
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of it, and we open the show talking about mental
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: health issues amongst our young people. But the other thing,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: of course, is that trades have suddenly become very popular,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: so there's a lot of young people who really don't
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: need to go to year twelve because they could finish
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: at year ten or eleven, go straight into the workforce,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: get an apprenticeship, some of them fully subsidized by the government,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and they start earning pretty good money.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then you're not start paying off a massive
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: x stet like well into your thirties.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: Depending on which degree of course.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: Go into the trades, they end up extremely rich.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, well.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: They actually do very well for themselves.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: You'll always need a trading. You'll always need a trading.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: People have never been dumber with respect to Oh, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: need to fix this, I need to fix that. They
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: just called someone now and that's where the trade is.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Make a bang.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's go to the Cans Post who come
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: up with a benefit of global warming. That wouldn't be
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the Can's Post without a picture of a crocodile on
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the front page. Exclusive crocodiles are getting lazy as temperatures rise,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: reads the headline. Hot and not bothered. Far North Queensland,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: crocodiles are spending more time trying to stay cool and
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: less time hunting or mating as their body temperatures increase.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: So finally, global warming, Liz has a tangible benefit. The
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: crocodiles in fact thorms and just could be bothered attacking
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: anybody these days they're just looking at the shade.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Relax.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: People can be chill around them now because they know
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that the crocs don't even care.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: They're just like, oh, dosey crocodile's tourist attraction.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, where to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: A Melbourne family trying to sell their house looking for
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: some sort of advantage, so they appealed to a Hollywood
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: star to help them, and he came to their aid.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: We'll show you that in just a moment. It's not
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: always easy to sell a house. You need all the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: help you can get. And kill a Melbourne family where
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: they got some very special.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Help, Liam Neeson said, he carefully correcting himself. Liam Neeson
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: good actor Beni Shindle this list, but mainly famous for
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: doing the action movies like Taken, and apparently got to
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: know these people because they supplied berries for his morning
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: yogurt or something like that. And they said, we're trying
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: to sell the house. Will you take part in the commercial?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: And Liam Neeson, great actor, said yes. And it looks
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: like this.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Me limne Neissen is coming to Melbourne.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: He wants to talk to you.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Hi, Leenne, I got the perfect home for you in
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Wilverley Park, Waverly Park listening I'm shore in a movie
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: at the moment two video. Sure you'd better be quick
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: otherwise this home.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Bobby teat him, who very original?
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Mean? Lianne is here?
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Lianne, I didn't give you the address.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Yet, I tolds you I would find you.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Now. Liam Nelson is an Academy Award nominated actor, but
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: you don't actually see a lot of him. What you
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: actually see is the Academy Award nominated arm That's about
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: what you say.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I don't even think that's him, right, I just assumed
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: it was Ai. By the way, I'm sure most people will.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a waste to know that. Oh it's
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: actually Liam and he had a personal relationship with these
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: guys and they put it together.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the owner of the house that the house is
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: in Moulgrave. It's on sale for one point three one
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: point four million dollars. By the way, Liam Neeson does
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: not come with the home, but the owner of the
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: home worked as an assistant director on one of Liam
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Neeson's movies. The families became friends. When Liam Neeson was
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: in Victoria filming. They bought him berries for his morning
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: yogurt as you said, Kel, and they're having a bit
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: of trouble moving the house. So made a phone call
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: at the request of the real estate agent, who said,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: what could we do to come up with a good
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: way to market the place? They said, well, we happen
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: to know somebody, and there you go. Liam Neeson couldn't
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: appear in person because of prior com he might might legit.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: He is in Victoria at the moment shooting his new movie,
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: an action movie called The Mongoo, so he might turn up.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: He could do.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Indeed, that's it from us, but stick around. Coming up
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  Speaker 1: is the Riata Penny Show. Good Night,