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From Depression To A Real Relationship With Jesus · The Chaplain's Corner

• 0:04
  Chaplain Terry: Okay.
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  Chaplain Terry: Well, I'm gonna start over just in case we missed it.
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  Chaplain Terry: My guest today is my guest today is Jeff Dalton.
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  Chaplain Terry: He grew up struggling with depression and low self-esteem.
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  Chaplain Terry: We stopped at three items that he really were concerned and affected him.
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  Chaplain Terry: Jesus wants our raw mess, pain, and mental health.
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  Chaplain Terry: You can't heal what you acknowledge.
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  Chaplain Terry: And the first time and he was rejected three times.
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  Chaplain Terry: And the second time the message that it didn't belong.
• 0:41
  Chaplain Terry: And then the third mess, the third message was bipolar position.
• 0:48
  Chaplain Terry: Aren't you glad I'm not a doctor?
• 0:53
  Jeff Dalton: Well, I'm even more glad you're not acting like one.
• 0:56
  Jeff Dalton: Unfortunately, that's the problem.
• 0:59
  Jeff Dalton: The pastors and preachers, they act like they're experts, then they spew stuff that isn't good and stuff like that.
• 1:08
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, uh and a lot of people, you know, uh if if you I'm moving around, that's my Parkinson's kicking in.
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  Chaplain Terry: A lot of people they they put you in a little box, they put you in a little cage, and you're defined as that.
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  Chaplain Terry: And uh I'm big on words and getting words is what what would get you out of the box, also.
• 1:30
  Jeff Dalton: Yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: So go ahead and pick up where number number one was.
• 1:43
  Jeff Dalton: He can handle yeah, he he really does, because if you read the Bible and look at the Old and New Testament, God oftentimes just asks for one thing from us, and that is our heart.
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  Jeff Dalton: That's it.
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  Jeff Dalton: Not our religious performance, but our heart.
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  Jeff Dalton: Not um a polished version of ourselves, but our heart.
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  Jeff Dalton: Because in the heart is who we really are, and that's our character as well.
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  Jeff Dalton: And God desires, and Jesus desires a real relationship.
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  Jeff Dalton: Well, part of having a real relationship is you gotta have honesty.
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  Jeff Dalton: If there's lines, that relationship's gonna fall apart, and you're not gonna be able to have one.
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  Jeff Dalton: So that's also why God, you know, Jesus, He wants us to be real with them.
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  Jeff Dalton: You know, He wants us to tell them what's going on in our minds or thoughts that we're having or what we're feeling.
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  Jeff Dalton: You know, it can be depression, anxiety, sadness, grief, anger, doubt, even, whatever, and be able to communicate that to him.
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  Jeff Dalton: Um, and then when that happens, I guess it goes into the second point, you can't heal what you don't acknowledge.
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  Jeff Dalton: And that's so true, too.
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  Jeff Dalton: Where Jesus wants to then heal us.
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  Jeff Dalton: And oftentimes I know in the church we think of healing as someone praying a powerful prayer and stuff like that.
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  Jeff Dalton: And yeah, sometimes that happens, but sometimes it doesn't.
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  Jeff Dalton: Sometimes Jesus wants to be more involved because in Isaiah 9 6, Jesus called many things.
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  Jeff Dalton: One of them is he's called his mighty counselor.
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  Jeff Dalton: And a counselor, if you go see a counselor, they'll listen to you, but then they'll do something more.
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  Jeff Dalton: They'll start asking you questions, like how you how why are you feeling this way?
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  Jeff Dalton: Um, what's causing you to feel this way?
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  Jeff Dalton: What's something in the environment that's causing you to feel this way?
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  Jeff Dalton: And what they're doing is they're pulling things out of you and they're getting to the root of the problem.
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  Jeff Dalton: And Jesus does the same thing if we let him, if we after we tell him how we're feeling, we need to just listen then for him to ask questions or reveal things to us.
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  Jeff Dalton: Like maybe this is why you're you're going to your hurting or sad.
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  Jeff Dalton: You know, maybe you're in a relationship where every time you get together, they speak negativity over your life.
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  Jeff Dalton: Therefore, you probably need to change the parameters of that relationship, or maybe even get rid of it and stuff.
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  Jeff Dalton: And the thing is, it's like I like garden.
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  Jeff Dalton: And it's like when you see a weed, you just keep digging and digging and digging until you get to the root of the weed, then you pull it out.
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  Jeff Dalton: If you do that, it won't go back.
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  Jeff Dalton: But if you're constantly pulling out weeds every time you see one left and right, the problem is they're gonna go back really quick.
• 4:59
  Jeff Dalton: You're gonna be in the same place that you were and stuff, yeah.
• 5:03
  Jeff Dalton: So, yeah, that's what I mean.
• 5:06
  Chaplain Terry: I just think about you give you can't give what you don't, you can't get healed what you don't know.
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  Chaplain Terry: Man's a three-part being, he's a spirit first, yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: He has a soul, that spirit has a soul, and he lives in a body.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, well, the body, if you want to see yourself, look in the mirror.
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  Chaplain Terry: If you want to see what you look like on the inside, look at your thoughts and actions and your words.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: And then if you want to see what God sees you look like, look at your spirit, man.
• 5:35
  Chaplain Terry: Yes, and then so many times we have just discounted the soul, so to speak, the man's spirit, as being some kind of ghostly floating around.
• 5:48
  Jeff Dalton: Yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: That you can't see.
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  Chaplain Terry: The things that are eternal are what you can't see.
• 5:55
  Chaplain Terry: Right.
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  Chaplain Terry: The uh the things that are uh last are just a little while are things you can see and feel and touch.
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  Chaplain Terry: This world was made by things you could not see, right?
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  Chaplain Terry: And the more and God's word is especially, and so consequently, the more God's word you know, the more you'll see.
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  Chaplain Terry: Not physically that will happen, not physically.
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  Chaplain Terry: God's not down here looking at your facial expressions, he's looking at Jesus through through you.
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  Chaplain Terry: Or through Jesus, he's looking at you.
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  Chaplain Terry: Jesus is the head, we're the body, but we're the unseen body, the body of Christ.
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  Chaplain Terry: Well, anyway, uh we're talking about people form these little images when they see you.
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  Chaplain Terry: You don't see words, you see images.
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  Chaplain Terry: If I say dog, you don't see D-O-G, you see a dog, probably your dog or somebody.
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  Chaplain Terry: If I say black dog, well, we change it.
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  Chaplain Terry: Well, then if we want those words to be cemented and concrete where they mean something and state something, we can't see dog, we see the image.
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  Chaplain Terry: So what we do, we put a frame around it, yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: And that frame keeps that word from being changed.
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  Chaplain Terry: You have a door frame, you know, you have an airframe for the airplane, uh, things like that.
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  Chaplain Terry: So we we have a frame, and then we look at Hebrews, the words were frame, the worlds were framed by God, and by the spoken word.
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  Chaplain Terry: What spoken word was that?
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  Chaplain Terry: Jesus.
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  Chaplain Terry: That's that's the word that got it all going.
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  Chaplain Terry: So, anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to cut in on you there.
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  Chaplain Terry: That's true, yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: The three truths.
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  Chaplain Terry: The first one was Jesus values the people whose society and the worldly church devalues.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: Oh, yeah, let's look at Israel.
• 7:59
  Chaplain Terry: Just look at Israel.
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  Chaplain Terry: We you know, we the Jews are really if you want proof that God exists, the Jewish nation is proof.
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  Chaplain Terry: They go there.
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  Chaplain Terry: Uh Jesus' second was Jesus' definition of success is being faithful.
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  Chaplain Terry: That's it.
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  Chaplain Terry: I asked the Lord one time, what could I do to really please you?
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  Chaplain Terry: And he got really quiet.
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  Chaplain Terry: And I said, Well, tell me what can I do to really please you?
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  Chaplain Terry: Believe in me.
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  Chaplain Terry: And that's what he said.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: Amen.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: I thought I I thought he was going to tell me to fast or go without or do this or go around and look sorrowful all the time, or go around and try to look holy all the time.
• 8:46
  Jeff Dalton: Uh you know, we're not sitting there because that's what Jesus um told the people.
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  Jeff Dalton: You know, the people said, We want to work.
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  Jeff Dalton: You know, what what what should we do?
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  Jeff Dalton: And Jesus said, Well, the work God requires is you believe in the one he sent.
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  Jeff Dalton: That's it.
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  Jeff Dalton: And in belief back then, we kind of get we we misunderstand a little bit, us people today, because we think belief or even faith is intellectual.
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  Jeff Dalton: And it's not.
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  Jeff Dalton: Back then, it was so much more.
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  Jeff Dalton: Believe is you receive, you know, you take in.
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  Jeff Dalton: It's kind of like, you know, if a UPS comes knocking on your door and you open it and they have a package.
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  Jeff Dalton: Well, it's not good enough if you just look at the package and that's it.
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  Jeff Dalton: Believe it's there.
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  Jeff Dalton: You gotta receive it as well.
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  Jeff Dalton: You know, you gotta take it inside of your home as well to receive the package.
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  Jeff Dalton: That's the same thing with belief, is just receiving Jesus into your life every single day and stuff.
• 9:52
  Chaplain Terry: I'm gonna see if I can switch them.
• 9:56
  Chaplain Terry: Who's talking?
• 9:58
  Chaplain Terry: Oh yeah.
• 10:05
  Chaplain Terry: Sometimes you just don't know which button to push.
• 10:09
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: Two things you two things you never want to hear a pilot say.
• 10:14
  Chaplain Terry: Hold my beer, hold my beer and watch this.
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  Chaplain Terry: And I wonder what this button does.
• 10:21
  Jeff Dalton: Yeah, not good.
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  Chaplain Terry: Uh the thing that we do, you know, we said faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: So what would we do?
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  Chaplain Terry: We go read the word.
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  Chaplain Terry: We read it, and read it, and read it, and read it.
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  Chaplain Terry: And they wonder why we don't have any faith, our faith isn't grown.
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  Chaplain Terry: Because it you speak it, faith comes by hearing.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: And what you what the measure you hear, is the measure it'll be dealt out.
• 10:46
  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: Out of the abundance of the heart, the inner man, the man you can't see.
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  Chaplain Terry: Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
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  Chaplain Terry: Well, when you speak the words of God, God gives uh oh John 6 33, I think it is.
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  Chaplain Terry: He spoke the words of God, therefore God gave him his spirit without measure.
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  Chaplain Terry: He wants the spirit without measure, speak the words of God, speak to the problem, speak to the mountain.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes, you know, talk, talk to the mountain, don't whine and complain about it.
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  Chaplain Terry: Oh God, you know, I'm I'm so beaten and pushed down and trodden through the heat and the cold and at the end of the road, there's God.
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  Chaplain Terry: Well, my God's not at that kind of road.
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  Chaplain Terry: My God's at a heavenly, heavenly road.
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  Chaplain Terry: You know, it just well, tell me about December 25th, 2025, where you hit rock bottom.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Jeff Dalton: Well, uh in December, um, I'm polished my book, Specials of the Heart, poems, and devotionals.
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  Jeff Dalton: And I took out a Facebook ad for one week to promote it, sell it.
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  Jeff Dalton: Um and after a week, um, I didn't sell a thing.
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  Jeff Dalton: And that's when everything just came apart.
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  Jeff Dalton: I had enough.
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  Jeff Dalton: And I just did a video about it, and I said, well, I've come to the conclusion that either God doesn't exist or that God's against me.
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  Jeff Dalton: And that's all I really said.
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  Jeff Dalton: And I turned off the camera, and it's like the lights went out.
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  Jeff Dalton: Um, and the reason why I said I said that God's against me, because you know, I've I've tried to start a business three times and I've failed.
• 12:41
  Jeff Dalton: Tried doing stocks, failed.
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  Jeff Dalton: Um, wanted to be a traveling preacher, failed.
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  Jeff Dalton: Didn't become one.
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  Jeff Dalton: So I'm like, you know, I feel like God's against me because he's not blessing me.
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  Jeff Dalton: Because a lot of times we equate God's blessing with his pleasure, if God's pleased.
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  Jeff Dalton: Yeah.
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  Jeff Dalton: And so then that's why I thought that, or he just doesn't exist and stuff.
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  Jeff Dalton: But then a few weeks later, I started thinking about Jesus again.
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  Jeff Dalton: And for 38 years, I've dabbled into science of history, um, culture, Jewish culture, and ancient history, archaeology, stuff like that.
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  Jeff Dalton: So I know enough where um there's a lot of evidences that God does exist and the Bible is reliable.
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  Jeff Dalton: And and a lot of, well, a good number of atheist historians believe that Jesus actually existed, he was a real person.
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  Jeff Dalton: So I start thinking about Jesus again.
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  Jeff Dalton: And then there's two claims that he made in in John.
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  Jeff Dalton: One of them is in John 14, 6, where Jesus says, I am the way, the truth, meaning absolute truth, not just his truth, and the life or life giver.
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  Jeff Dalton: And no one can get to the Father or God except through him.
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  Jeff Dalton: That's a big claim.
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  Jeff Dalton: No one else has ever made that.
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  Jeff Dalton: Um, number two, in John chapter 8, this is about identity.
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  Jeff Dalton: Because they were talking about identity, and Jesus finally said, before Abraham was born, Abraham was in the in Genesis, he's really old and stuff.
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  Jeff Dalton: Before Abraham was born, I am.
• 14:43
  Jeff Dalton: Now here's the thing.
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  Jeff Dalton: Now it's true that people say that, well, Jesus never claimed to be God, never said he was God.
• 14:51
  Jeff Dalton: Well, yeah, they're right.
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  Jeff Dalton: He never did.
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  Jeff Dalton: He went one step further.
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  Jeff Dalton: He got specific.
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  Jeff Dalton: He said, I am, he's God's name.
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  Jeff Dalton: The name that God gave Moses back in Exodus.
• 15:07
  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
• 15:08
  Jeff Dalton: When Moses asked God, um, would I go to Pharaoh to set demand that he set the Israelites free?
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  Jeff Dalton: Who shall I say send me?
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  Jeff Dalton: And God said, Tell them I am that I am sent to you.
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  Jeff Dalton: And I am is the the creator, the king of the universe, the creator of you, and me, I am.
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  Jeff Dalton: And the second thing about that, when Jesus said that, the reaction of the people, some of them were religious leaders who knew the old testament.
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  Jeff Dalton: Then what did they do?
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  Jeff Dalton: Picked up stones to stone him.
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  Jeff Dalton: Why?
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  Jeff Dalton: Because he committed blasphemy.
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  Jeff Dalton: In other words, he claimed they knew, understood, he claimed to be God.
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  Jeff Dalton: Yes, and knowing what I know, I cannot intellectually with honesty dismiss those two claims.
• 16:03
  Jeff Dalton: I just can't, yeah, I just can't do it.
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  Chaplain Terry: In the Hebrew, well, in the Greek, where it says that you're of your father, the devil, because he was they were speaking.
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  Chaplain Terry: They said that because you have an accent.
• 16:17
  Chaplain Terry: The accent he had was not Eastern Jerusalem or Western Jerusalem.
• 16:23
  Chaplain Terry: The accent he had was the accent of God.
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  Chaplain Terry: That's what they that's what they yeah, that blew him away.
• 16:31
  Chaplain Terry: That was the accent that he said you guys don't recognize.
• 16:35
  Chaplain Terry: Wouldn't you imagine telling that to your pastor?
• 16:38
  Chaplain Terry: If you're right.
• 16:41
  Chaplain Terry: I wouldn't, I don't know that I'd recommend it anyway.
• 16:44
  Chaplain Terry: Uh the other thing, you know, we do a lot of times, we we say we give it to the Lord and we take it back.
• 16:54
  Chaplain Terry: And we we give it to the Lord again, we take it back.
• 16:57
  Chaplain Terry: And people say it's it's God uh it's got a uh God of second chances, you better believe He is.
• 17:05
  Chaplain Terry: Third, fourth, fifth.
• 17:07
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
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  Chaplain Terry: However many however many times you want to go.
• 17:09
  Jeff Dalton: As long as there's anything like that.
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  Chaplain Terry: Okay.
• 17:13
  Chaplain Terry: I'm sorry about that.
• 17:19
  Chaplain Terry: That's all right.
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  Chaplain Terry: I'm still trying to get it.
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  Jeff Dalton: Yeah.
• 17:32
  Chaplain Terry: Excuse me.
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  Chaplain Terry: I'm an old man.
• 17:35
  Chaplain Terry: When I was a kid, the Dead Sea was just getting sick.
• 17:39
  Chaplain Terry: I'm an old man, and computers and buttons don't work very good with me.
• 17:43
  Chaplain Terry: I have an instrument rated license for flying airplanes, but I had to give that up because of Parkinson's.
• 17:49
  Jeff Dalton: Oh wow.
• 17:50
  Chaplain Terry: But I had a hard time getting my instrument rating because of PCs and automation and stuff now.
• 17:55
  Chaplain Terry: The GPS are great.
• 17:57
  Chaplain Terry: Let's pick back up here.
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  Chaplain Terry: We're talking about giving things to the Lord.
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  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: You know, uh, I'm gonna give up this for the Lord, I'm gonna give up that for the Lord.
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  Chaplain Terry: The Lord gave up his heavenly seat in heaven, his place in heaven, and came down to where he was 100% God and 100% man.
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  Jeff Dalton: Yes.
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  Chaplain Terry: Now granted, he's the son of God, absolutely.
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  Chaplain Terry: But he did it correctly, and he did it thoroughly, and so every sin, disease, everything is conquered.
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  Chaplain Terry: Well, if Brother Terry, if that's the case, how come this didn't happen?
• 18:33
  Chaplain Terry: How come that didn't happen?
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  Chaplain Terry: You know, I I was I've been saved for over 2,000 years, but only found out about it about 50 years ago.
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  Chaplain Terry: As like having a cold, you know, the Lord, the Lord heals me of the flu, but my body has to catch up to it, and your body with all your habits and and quirks and stuff will keep you from catching up to where the spirit is.
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  Chaplain Terry: Uh in January you broke free.
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  Chaplain Terry: A performative Christianity.
• 19:07
  Chaplain Terry: I like that.
• 19:08
  Chaplain Terry: That's a good and entered into a more loving-honous conversion relationship.
• 19:12
  Chaplain Terry: Was there something that happened that brought that about?
• 19:15
  Jeff Dalton: Oh, yeah.
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  Jeff Dalton: Um, I started reading the gospels again because they're about Jesus, and it was like the blinders just came flying off.
• 19:25
  Jeff Dalton: And one thing that I found was the parable of the talents and the gospel of Matthew, and it's really, and you know, I I've read this story a hundred times, but you know, Jesus finally opened up my eyes, and I guess I was maybe ready to see that's why.
• 19:48
  Jeff Dalton: But it's interesting that story because you know, basically, uh uh the master hands three of his servants some money.
• 19:58
  Jeff Dalton: One of them ten, one of them, I'm sorry, one of them five, one of them two, one of them one.
• 20:04
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
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  Jeff Dalton: And then he leaves.
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  Jeff Dalton: So the one with the five goes out, and vast gains five more talents, ten.
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  Jeff Dalton: The other one goes out, invest gains two more, four.
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  Jeff Dalton: The last one decides he's gonna take that one talent and bury it in the sink, not do anything with it whatsoever.
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  Jeff Dalton: The master comes back, goes to the person with the five, so well, what'd you do?
• 20:34
  Jeff Dalton: And the person was excited.
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  Jeff Dalton: You gave me five, I gained five more.
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  Jeff Dalton: Now, here's the interesting part.
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  Jeff Dalton: The master did not praise the that one with how much they produced.
• 20:48
  Jeff Dalton: He didn't, didn't even mention it.
• 20:51
  Jeff Dalton: All he said was, good, well done, good and faithful servant.
• 20:56
  Jeff Dalton: You've been faithful with a few.
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  Jeff Dalton: I'm gonna give you more responsibility.
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  Jeff Dalton: Then he goes down to second person.
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  Jeff Dalton: Second person excited, said the same thing.
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  Jeff Dalton: Look at what I produced.
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  Jeff Dalton: I produced two more.
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  Jeff Dalton: The master praised him the same way.
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  Jeff Dalton: You've been faithful.
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  Jeff Dalton: Good job.
• 21:16
  Jeff Dalton: The the the last one you did one, master said, What'd you do?
• 21:22
  Jeff Dalton: The the one said, I was afraid, I hit it.
• 21:25
  Jeff Dalton: And the master said, You lazy servant.
• 21:28
  Jeff Dalton: Yep, and and took away his talent.
• 21:31
  Jeff Dalton: So, to me, that shows me that Jesus is concerned with my faithfulness, not how much I produce.
• 21:41
  Jeff Dalton: And there's other scripture verses as well, you know, that that really show that.
• 21:46
  Jeff Dalton: Jesus does not care about the numbers, doesn't care about how many followers you have, how many views, how big of a church, how much money your business is bringing in.
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  Jeff Dalton: All he cares about is being.
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  Jeff Dalton: Faithful.
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  Jeff Dalton: So that set me free from performative Christianity, which is all about what you can produce, what you can produce, what you can do, what you can do.
• 22:12
  Chaplain Terry: Um, as a chaplain, we go to meetings, yeah.
• 22:15
  Chaplain Terry: We baptize this many people, we bap we sign this many people up.
• 22:20
  Chaplain Terry: Now they have to have church record to understand that.
• 22:22
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, but yeah, no, no, he accepts me just as I am.
• 22:27
  Chaplain Terry: Yes, but he makes me what he wants me to be in Christ.
• 22:31
  Chaplain Terry: Amen.
• 22:32
  Chaplain Terry: And you know, he who knew no sin was made to be sin for me, that I might be made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
• 22:40
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, say what you want, but I have a right standing before the Father in a court of law and in heaven.
• 22:45
  Chaplain Terry: Now go and you go and you go in respectfully, you don't go in there commanding him to do anything.
• 22:51
  Chaplain Terry: Right.
• 22:52
  Chaplain Terry: You're the servant, you know.
• 22:54
  Jeff Dalton: Right, yeah, yeah.
• 22:56
  Jeff Dalton: We we we get that twisted a lot.
• 22:59
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, just say this or do that.
• 23:01
  Chaplain Terry: And then God's gonna he has to do this, he has to do that.
• 23:04
  Chaplain Terry: He doesn't have to do anything.
• 23:06
  Chaplain Terry: No, he doesn't, and it's by the grace of God that he didn't he hadn't gave up on us already.
• 23:12
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, no.
• 23:14
  Chaplain Terry: I was preaching a sermon one Sunday morning, and in the middle of my sermon, the Lord spoke to my heart and said, When you pray, how do I hear you?
• 23:24
  Chaplain Terry: I don't know.
• 23:26
  Chaplain Terry: You got some kind of phone system up there or something, you know.
• 23:30
  Chaplain Terry: I don't really know.
• 23:31
  Chaplain Terry: He says, Well, when I talk to you, how do you hear me?
• 23:35
  Chaplain Terry: Well, that's easy.
• 23:36
  Chaplain Terry: You hear me, I hear you in my heart.
• 23:38
  Chaplain Terry: He said, That's the same way I hear you through the heart of Christ.
• 23:44
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
• 23:45
  Chaplain Terry: Well, you have any I sort of enjoyed this.
• 23:51
  Chaplain Terry: You have any how's your book doing now?
• 23:55
  Chaplain Terry: Is it doing better?
• 23:56
  Chaplain Terry: Is it doing around?
• 23:57
  Chaplain Terry: It's not okay.
• 24:00
  Jeff Dalton: Well, I think one of the reasons is I thought about 10 copies, which I'm happy about that, and mainly from family and friends.
• 24:10
  Jeff Dalton: Um, some strangers have bought it though, and left reviews and stuff, and I'm saying that's really changing them and changing their view of Jesus and stuff like that.
• 24:21
  Jeff Dalton: So that's really encouraging.
• 24:23
  Jeff Dalton: Um, but I've been mainly doing podcasts, being a guest on podcasts, and a lot of them are from African country countries in Africa.
• 24:35
  Jeff Dalton: And a lot of them aren't Christian, aren't Christian podcasts.
• 24:39
  Jeff Dalton: They don't um like advertised like that.
• 24:44
  Jeff Dalton: But a lot of them are Chris Christian hopes.
• 24:46
  Jeff Dalton: And when they see my story, they're like, hey, can you share an um special about performative Christianity versus relational Christianity and stuff like that?
• 24:57
  Jeff Dalton: Now I'm getting on more American podcasts who who are Christian.
• 25:03
  Jeff Dalton: You know, they have a Christian audience and stuff.
• 25:05
  Jeff Dalton: So hopefully my book will start selling.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Does your book have a link that you want to give out?
• 25:10
  Jeff Dalton: Yes, and it's on Amazon.
• 25:13
  Chaplain Terry: Uh-huh.
• 25:13
  Jeff Dalton: Great.
• 25:13
  Jeff Dalton: It's it's on Amazon.
• 25:15
  Jeff Dalton: You can click that.
• 25:17
  Jeff Dalton: You can get a digital copy as soon as you buy it.
• 25:21
  Jeff Dalton: You can download it on your phone, tablet, or computer.
• 25:24
  Jeff Dalton: And what my book really does is helps people be honest with Jesus.
• 25:30
  Jeff Dalton: Because my poetry is very honest, very raw and stuff.
• 25:35
  Jeff Dalton: And then it has devotionals like Bible verses and stuff, which really shows the heart of God, God's perspective, what God really thinks and feels about us and stuff like that.
• 25:47
  Jeff Dalton: I think too my book on my website, expressionofheart.com.
• 25:56
  Chaplain Terry: That's neat.
• 25:56
  Chaplain Terry: That's neat.
• 25:57
  Chaplain Terry: All right.
• 25:58
  Chaplain Terry: I didn't mean to interrupt you.
• 25:59
  Chaplain Terry: Go ahead.
• 26:00
  Jeff Dalton: That's okay.
• 26:01
  Chaplain Terry: Okay.
• 26:01
  Jeff Dalton: And the third thing is my book will show people that it's actually okay.
• 26:06
  Jeff Dalton: And that well, that God wants us to be honest and real with them as well.
• 26:12
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
• 26:12
  Chaplain Terry: Oh yeah.
• 26:14
  Chaplain Terry: One time I was complaining to the Lord about my wife.
• 26:17
  Chaplain Terry: She done something I didn't want her to do, or it made me mad.
• 26:21
  Chaplain Terry: I was complaining, and he interrupted me and he said, You know, I didn't give her to you so that you could riddle beriddle her and and talk down to her.
• 26:31
  Chaplain Terry: I gave her to you because she'll make you the best man you can be.
• 26:35
  Chaplain Terry: I like that.
• 26:37
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Chaplain Terry: And I happen to be your father-in-law.
• 26:41
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Jeff Dalton: Amen.
• 26:43
  Jeff Dalton: Yeah.
• 26:44
  Jeff Dalton: That's a good idea.
• 26:46
  Chaplain Terry: So my book, my book is uh is coming out tomorrow.
• 26:50
  Chaplain Terry: Uh it'll be it's called Something to Think About.
• 26:53
  Chaplain Terry: But I I deal a lot of Africa, Indonesia, uh, Pakistan, Bangladesh.
• 27:02
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, I get a lot I get a lot of hits and stuff off from over there, which I'm glad to do.
• 27:08
  Chaplain Terry: Was there anything else you'd like to leave us before we wind this up?
• 27:14
  Jeff Dalton: Um, I I mean I just wanna well I want to let your viewers know, let you guys know that the cross is a sign of value.
• 27:29
  Jeff Dalton: It's a value statement.
• 27:31
  Chaplain Terry: It's a big buck sign.
• 27:33
  Jeff Dalton: It is, and here's what I mean by that.
• 27:35
  Jeff Dalton: Let's say you're at home and you're holding a penny and you lose the penny, you're not gonna think much about it, right?
• 27:43
  Jeff Dalton: Or at all.
• 27:44
  Jeff Dalton: But then you're at home and you're holding on to a 24 karat diamond ring, and you lose it.
• 27:52
  Jeff Dalton: What are you gonna do?
• 27:54
  Jeff Dalton: You're gonna tear your house up looking for it.
• 27:58
  Jeff Dalton: You're gonna spend all your time, all your energy, you're gonna be flipping cushions to look for that diamond ring.
• 28:07
  Jeff Dalton: Well, think about this: Jesus, who was in heaven, enjoying the comforts, the riches, the perfection of heaven, came down to earth 2,000 years ago to a broken down, cold, sinful world, took on human flesh that was frail, could get sick, could get tired.
• 28:29
  Jeff Dalton: Taught for about three and a half years, got rejected constantly, then willingly let himself be nailed to a cross.
• 28:44
  Jeff Dalton: And while on the cross dying, he was paying the penalty for your sin and my sin, right, that we could not pay, because good works can't get us into heaven, because we were we're guilty, and Jesus took our guilt, and then Jesus died on the cross because the ultimate penalty for sin is death, or Romans says the wages of sin or the paycheck for sin is death, that's what we earn for sin, death, but Jesus earned it for us.
• 29:21
  Jeff Dalton: Then three days later, Jesus rose from the dead.
• 29:30
  Chaplain Terry: Left the sin in hell.
• 29:31
  Jeff Dalton: Yes, he did.
• 29:32
  Jeff Dalton: Yes, he did.
• 29:33
  Jeff Dalton: That is so neat, and now Jesus, and the reason why Jesus did this, so he could be with you and I forever in heaven, so we can have a personal, personal, one-on-one.
• 29:47
  Jeff Dalton: You don't need a mediator, honest, you can be real with him, he's gonna be real with you, loving relationship with him, with your creator.
• 29:58
  Jeff Dalton: That is value.
• 30:00
  Jeff Dalton: So if anyone feels like they're worthless, like they're no good, like they're a reject, look at the cross, look at the cross.
• 30:09
  Jeff Dalton: Jesus did this for you because he values you just the way you are, because he made you.
• 30:17
  Chaplain Terry: Yeah, when I look at that cross, God's arithmetic is add and multiply.
• 30:24
  Chaplain Terry: The devil's is subtract and divide.
• 30:27
  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
• 30:28
  Chaplain Terry: Well, Jeff, I've enjoyed this.
• 30:31
  Chaplain Terry: Me too, folks.
• 30:34
  Chaplain Terry: This has been Jeff Dalton, Terry Warner, the the chaplain's corner.net's my podcast.
• 30:41
  Chaplain Terry: And Jeff's uh tell me again, expressions.
• 30:45
  Speaker: "Expressions of the Heart", Go to Amazon to find.
• 30:49
  Chaplain Terry: Yes.
• 30:50
  Chaplain Terry: And you're not gonna go wrong by getting the word in all kinds of forms.
• 30:54
  Chaplain Terry: You're you know, by the word.
• 30:56
  Chaplain Terry: Quit reading the junk, quit reading the news, quit listening to it.
• 31:00
  Chaplain Terry: For with the measure you listen to it, it it'll be dealt to you again.
• 31:03
  Chaplain Terry: You don't, you know, t today's news will be tomorrow's bird cage cover.
• 31:08
  Chaplain Terry: Well, thank you, Jeff.
• 31:13
  Chaplain Terry: I enjoyed it.
• 31:14
  Chaplain Terry: Friend, you have a blessed day in Jesus' name.
• 31:18
  Chaplain Terry: The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord make his face shine upon you and give you peace.
• 31:22
  Chaplain Terry: The Lord look down upon you and give you riches and glory and honor in Christ Jesus.
• 31:29
  Chaplain Terry: In Jesus' name.
• 31:30
  Chaplain Terry: Amen.