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#2187 Can We Really Change? - Bobby Cappuccio · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Good eight Team taps Stiff, It's Bobby, It's for you project.
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  Speaker 1: It's a Thursday as we record, Life rolls on. It's winter.
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  Speaker 1: Tiffany Cook, how are you very good?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: I love it when you salute and call me sir.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little military, that's all right. So I love
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  Speaker 1: it when you say to your bloke, oh, the boss
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  Speaker 1: is calling me, or the boss wants this or that.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me feel good too. Hi, Robert, how are
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  Speaker 1: you well?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not salooning you, but other than that, I'm doing okay.
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  Speaker 1: Well, could you cuddle me?
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  Speaker 3: I'll call you a boss if you really want me to.
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  Speaker 3: But that's as fine.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go here. I don't need to be
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  Speaker 1: anyone's boss, that is for sure. It's too much responsibility. Ah,
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  Speaker 1: what time is it over there? What is it like?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty six minutes to six in the PM. It is
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  Speaker 1: half past.
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  Speaker 3: Five and the PM, well, I mean give her a
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  Speaker 3: take seventeen twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: To be exact. I wanted to talk to both of
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  Speaker 1: you today and the thriving Did he just say did
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  Speaker 1: he just say what I said but back in another way?
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  Speaker 2: Yep?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, when he could have just gone yes.
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  Speaker 2: Several attempts of it too. It was quite disjointed and amusing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is it twenty six to six? Yes, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: He actually made me look at the time and try
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  Speaker 2: and figure out what the time was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's it's ninety two to ninety ninety two
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  Speaker 1: for him. So you know, it's like, Ah, do you
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  Speaker 1: like modernity or do you wish you could rewind to
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight? Bobby, I would tell you know, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be one of those people that
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  Speaker 3: talk about the good old days, because when I was
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  Speaker 3: a kid, nothing was sadder than listening to some old
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  Speaker 3: bloke who's lost his hair talk about the good old
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  Speaker 3: days and how big he was and how strong he
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  Speaker 3: was and how.
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  Speaker 1: Much he can lift over his head.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why that was the only lift that
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  Speaker 3: people were proud of back then, but it was always
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  Speaker 3: how much can you lift over your head? And I
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  Speaker 3: never wanted to be one of those old blokes in
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  Speaker 3: a Seinfeld episode, But looking back that the late nineteen
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  Speaker 3: nineties seemed pretty amazing, especially.
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  Speaker 2: When you're sitting there with a bald head and a
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  Speaker 2: torn pick.
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  Speaker 3: I've turned into the exact thing I tried to avoid being.
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  Speaker 3: I am what I have feared my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: This is you and I both because we've both got
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  Speaker 1: a bald head and we've both got a torn pick.
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  Speaker 1: So do you wait till you tell you got a
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  Speaker 1: bit of hair going on up there? I shave it all.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not hanging on to any of it.
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  Speaker 1: I feel I'm close to bald.
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  Speaker 3: I think most people, unless you're turning soprano, I should
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  Speaker 3: go that direction.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think so it works? It worked for tony' smrana.
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  Speaker 1: Either either I'm interrupting or I think I'm interrupting. Great,
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  Speaker 1: don't interrupt if do you have any major injuries at
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  Speaker 1: the moment.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't, which is a blessing. Oh you know
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  Speaker 2: what I do have. I still have a niggling golfer's elbow,
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  Speaker 2: But that is simply because when the severity drops, so
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  Speaker 2: does my ability to continue doing the rehabilitation exercises to
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  Speaker 2: resolve the issue.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon some of the rehabit exercises of the problem
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to tennis elbow aka lateral epicondolitis, because
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  Speaker 1: what happens when you're lifting and you're putting Bobby jump
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  Speaker 1: in on this because you're very smart in this space.
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  Speaker 1: But is like you're building strength, but you're also shortening
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  Speaker 1: the muscles, and then when you do things that are
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  Speaker 1: more dynamic for you. So it works when you're say
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  Speaker 1: bench pressing, but when you throw a punch, which is
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  Speaker 1: really dynamic, and then that those muscles around the elbow
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  Speaker 1: have got to be put on stretch, then you're just creating.
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  Speaker 1: You're going from short and kind of really dense to
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  Speaker 1: longer and more fluid. And I was listening to what
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  Speaker 1: is his name, greatest quarterback of all time retired when
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  Speaker 1: he was forty five, Bobby what's his name? Come on,
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  Speaker 1: you're an American male? Forgot Tom Brady? Tom Brady? Fucking hell?
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure you're American? Anyway? He was talking about
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  Speaker 1: the same thing, Tiff, and he said that as soon
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  Speaker 1: as he started to get in between strength sessions, because
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  Speaker 1: his job as a quarterback is throwing, which is not
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  Speaker 1: a lot different to punching in the movement, he started
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  Speaker 1: to get basically deep tissue massage between every strength session
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  Speaker 1: and every throwing session or regular practice. And when he
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  Speaker 1: was twenty four or five, he was pretty fucked. And
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  Speaker 1: then he went to play until he was forty five
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, so he played twenty more years after
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  Speaker 1: he was thinking about having to hang it up because
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  Speaker 1: he had this super restrictive, debilitating tennis elbow. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: but not over for me.
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  Speaker 2: He's wanted to get out of that. It's not over yet. Well.
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  Speaker 1: I tore my peck off the bone when I was
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight, Bobby, when did you do yours? Oh? And
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  Speaker 1: I was was I forty forty six? Forty seven? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you can. I mean you end up like things
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  Speaker 1: come back. Obviously, I've still got it, like I've had
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  Speaker 1: to compromise my chess training for the last few decades.
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  Speaker 1: But you do what you can do. But you've never
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  Speaker 1: had a major injury, right.
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  Speaker 2: No, But especially in combat sport, it's one of those
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  Speaker 2: sports where you are never injury free. Never Like I
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  Speaker 2: have my first novice title fight, I had a stress
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  Speaker 2: fractured transvesse process, which is my spine, which was very painful.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from on the day when I was fueled with adrenaline,
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  Speaker 2: I had stress fracture in my right hand that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't get diagnosed for it until it was already healing.
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  Speaker 2: I tore my labor m in my shoulder. I had
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  Speaker 2: to have a lot of time off all training and movement,
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  Speaker 2: about ten months to rehab that hamstring teninopothies, there was knees, everything.
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  Speaker 2: There was never a time when you aren't navigating an injury.
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  Speaker 2: And that's just part of being an athlete. And I
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  Speaker 2: think now as as a coach and trainer, it was
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  Speaker 2: really important to have gone through that because you understand
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  Speaker 2: that you don't have to fear. When you find the
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  Speaker 2: right therapist, what right physiotherapist, or who helps you rehabilitate,
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  Speaker 2: you realize that pain is not the enemy.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, exercise, get on it. That's great. All the
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  Speaker 1: non exercises are like fuck that we're talking about. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about exercise or I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: I think training is the more appropriate word training for
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  Speaker 3: a sport versus exercise for optimizing some aspect of our health.
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  Speaker 3: What's good for the sport is not necessarily good for
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  Speaker 3: the body. But I think someone who's just regularly exercising
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  Speaker 3: isn't training in the same way that a competitive fighter
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  Speaker 3: would be training. And I don't necessarily believe in sports
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  Speaker 3: specific training, but the type of sports conditioning training I'll
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  Speaker 3: say that you would have to do is a completely
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  Speaker 3: different game.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody when I was up seeing
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  Speaker 1: my mom and dad the other day and really interesting,
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  Speaker 1: had a really interesting chat with a bloke and he
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  Speaker 1: said to me, he was talking about my work. He's
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  Speaker 1: quite interested in it, and he comes from a very
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  Speaker 1: different space and background and kind of world to me.
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  Speaker 1: And he said to he asked me this really profound question.
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  Speaker 1: And the lead up to his question was, I said, Look,
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  Speaker 1: in simple terms, I kind of help people change. And
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  Speaker 1: he goes change what? And I go, oh, you know
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  Speaker 1: how they think, habits, behaviors, outcomes, operating systems. And he
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  Speaker 1: goes to people to what extent can people actually really change,
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  Speaker 1: not just change their behavior temporarily and change their operating
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  Speaker 1: system or their outcomes, but actually become a genuinely different
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  Speaker 1: version of who they were? I reckon that's not a
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  Speaker 1: bad thing to explore, because I don't know that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's easy, and I don't think it's super
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  Speaker 1: common that people actually reinvent themselves the way that they
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  Speaker 1: perhaps want to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how do you explain, Madonna?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're thinking about esthetics. I think is
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  Speaker 1: constant reinvention.
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  Speaker 3: I mean because look at her and look at Cyndea Lapper, right,
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  Speaker 3: both of those people were iconic in the nineteen eighties, but.
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  Speaker 1: As time went on, not so much.
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  Speaker 3: Cyndey Lauper and Cidea Lauper is every bit as talented
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  Speaker 3: as Madonna.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, Cidea Lauper is one of the most underrated artists ever.
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  Speaker 3: She's incredible. But let's not go down that path. This
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  Speaker 3: is not a podcast about what does Bobby think of Cindy.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about reinvention.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you were just talking about basically how people look
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  Speaker 1: or their their brand or their image or yeah. That,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not who someone is. That's not there identity,
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  Speaker 1: that's not enough.
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  Speaker 3: Don't the ultimate knowledge of like the personality traits in
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  Speaker 3: worldview that Madonna had throughout her thirty years of being
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  Speaker 3: a music icon. But she might have made some significant changes.
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  Speaker 3: She might have changed internally as well as externally. You know, now,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, maybe every one of those brand shifts
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  Speaker 3: were reflective of a deeper, more meaningful intrinsic shift.
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  Speaker 1: You got to get her on the show, talk to
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  Speaker 1: her about it. Well, okay, so everyone who talks to
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  Speaker 1: us three in a coaching capacity, wants to change something.
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  Speaker 1: Can I get an agreement on that or no? Yes, Bobby, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm talking about, that capacity to change,
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  Speaker 1: to be different, do different, but also become different. So
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  Speaker 1: this different thing that I'm now doing is my new default.
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  Speaker 1: This is my normal operating system. This is me now
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  Speaker 1: because we can't. We can, but we can't productively spend
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  Speaker 1: the next fifteen twenty years trying to get there by
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  Speaker 1: crossing our fingers and relying on willpower and inspiration and
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  Speaker 1: focus and discipline and self control. But when I actually
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  Speaker 1: change who I am and how I relate to these
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  Speaker 1: things that I need to do, that need for focus
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  Speaker 1: and discipline and high level resilience, it kind of goes
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  Speaker 1: away because I've reprogrammed me. Does that make sense or not?
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  Speaker 3: My short answer is, I obviously believe people can change.
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  Speaker 3: Why would I do to what I do if I
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  Speaker 3: don't believe that people fundamentals?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but I get that, But let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: process of it. Well, I talk about doing it.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's some nuance there because if we're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about people's capacity for change, one, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it's a yes or no answer, just to cut
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  Speaker 3: to the to the bottom line of it. On my opinion, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I believe people can change, but I don't think everybody
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  Speaker 3: has the same capacity. I mean, what are all the
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  Speaker 3: variables that go into change and make up who someone is?
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  Speaker 3: So you have you have genetic factors, right, There's there's
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  Speaker 3: got to be hereditary factors.
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  Speaker 1: That come with it.
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  Speaker 3: Heredity, natural selection, gene mutation, all of these things got
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  Speaker 3: to play into it. Paul Taylor had a great conversation
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  Speaker 3: with Sonya Lubermirski, the happiness researcher, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in her research, she points.
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  Speaker 3: Out quite readily that fifty percent of someone's level of
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  Speaker 3: happiness is innate. It's not going to shift. So me,
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  Speaker 3: I'm on far more of the curmudgeonous side. But ten percent,
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  Speaker 3: according to her research, has to do with your conditions
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  Speaker 3: and circumstances, and forty percent is behavioral, and forty percent
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  Speaker 3: has a lot of room to play with. So I
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  Speaker 3: might not become, in essence, the happiest person in the world,
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  Speaker 3: but I can be happier, and I don't know will
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  Speaker 3: that happiness change my worldview? So you have social influences,
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  Speaker 3: you have your values, your beliefs. I mean, I have
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  Speaker 3: a cat, I can get toxoplasmosis tomorrow and buy a
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  Speaker 3: motorcycle and drive it at super speeds getting myself killed
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  Speaker 3: on the motorway. So it's kind of complicated. But if
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  Speaker 3: you look at the trans theoretical model of change James
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  Speaker 3: Petraska and his work, you know there are six phases
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  Speaker 3: and the last phase of change is not I am doing.
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  Speaker 1: Something, but I am being something.
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  Speaker 3: This has become part of me to where relapse is
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  Speaker 3: either not going to happen or the chances of relapse
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  Speaker 3: are so small because it's not something that I'm trying
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  Speaker 3: to do on a behavioral level. This is become who
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  Speaker 3: I am intrinsically.
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  Speaker 1: But so my takeaway is everybody has the capacity for change.
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  Speaker 1: Whether or not they will change is a different question,
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  Speaker 1: and how much capacity they have changed varies person and person. Also,
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  Speaker 1: people who use motorbikes ride them, they don't drive them. Bobby,
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  Speaker 1: if you should have told him that nobody drives a motorcycle,
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  Speaker 1: neither do they ride a car. But so exactly anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take your words for it. So knowing this, somebody
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  Speaker 1: is listening to this and they go, right, I want
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  Speaker 1: to change. I've tried before it didn't work or I
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  Speaker 1: didn't work or whatever, whatever it is, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: in the same place, whether it's with my body or
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  Speaker 1: my career, my habits, or my emotional state or my
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  Speaker 1: relationships or my lifestyle. How does it? And I know
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  Speaker 1: this again is complex, and I know there's lots of
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  Speaker 1: factors and very so you don't need to qualify that,
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  Speaker 1: But how do we or how do you? Anyway? How
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  Speaker 1: do you know where to start so that you might
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  Speaker 1: find for that individual with those genetics and those dynamics
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  Speaker 1: and that personality and those needs, wants, goals. What's the
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  Speaker 1: starting point for you as a coach?
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  Speaker 3: What does borrow from Simon Sinek starting with why is
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  Speaker 3: not a bad place to be? Like, what's really underneath
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  Speaker 3: that change? Like, what's the value there? What's the meaning
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  Speaker 3: of changing? Am I changing because I feel that other
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  Speaker 3: people will find me more acceptable? Am I changing because
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  Speaker 3: there's something pragmatic that will help me advance in my career?
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  Speaker 3: There's there's a why underneath that, But what's the real
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  Speaker 3: reason that's driving that? And what does that look like?
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  Speaker 3: What's different once you change? Then getting that level of
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  Speaker 3: clarity and I believe I believe once you have that,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of change occurs behaviorally. I know a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people will disagree with me, and I've spoken to
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  Speaker 3: them and I think they have a lot of good points.
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  Speaker 1: But I think once you identify.
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  Speaker 3: What exact, So let's take motivational interviewing, the phases would
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  Speaker 3: look something like this one. We would have to be engaged.
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  Speaker 3: I don't mean like engaged to be married. That's really
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  Speaker 3: a violation of ethics in a coaching situation, but I
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  Speaker 3: mean engaged to where there's rapport, there's responsiveness, there's psychological safety,
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  Speaker 3: because otherwise we're not gonna be able to accomplish anything together.
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  Speaker 3: But then there we start with the what. First, I know,
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  Speaker 3: I said start with why, but what exactly are you
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  Speaker 3: looking for? Clarity really matters. Second is evocation, like why
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  Speaker 3: is this particularly important? And then the last phase is
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  Speaker 3: the how, what's the planning? What's the actual shift in behavior?
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  Speaker 3: I believe strongly that by engaging in a series of behaviors,
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  Speaker 3: you reshape, reframe your beliefs and your attitudes, not only
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  Speaker 3: to your level of capability, but to who you see
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  Speaker 3: yourself as. That's a big part of it.
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  Speaker 1: I like that I do a similar thing. Not that
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  Speaker 1: I do much goal setting per se, but I used
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  Speaker 1: to do quite a lot. And we'd say that there's
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. I'd say to people, So what do
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  Speaker 1: you want? What do you want to do? Be? Create? Change?
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  Speaker 1: What's the thing that you want to you know, what's
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  Speaker 1: the goal you want to reach? And then we do
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  Speaker 1: the why you know, Like say, for example, somebody says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I want to change my body. I want
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  Speaker 1: to look different, feel different, and function different, which are
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  Speaker 1: all physiological outcomes and emotional outcomes I guess, feel but
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  Speaker 1: also physical. And I'd say, right, why, Like what's your
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  Speaker 1: reason for that? And then I'd say, oh, well, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it'd be something like I want to be able to
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  Speaker 1: play with my kid, or I want to be able
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  Speaker 1: to get in then out of the car, or want
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  Speaker 1: to be able to wear different clothes, or I want
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  Speaker 1: more confidence, or I want you know, all of these
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  Speaker 1: things that they think will be a byproduct of the
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  Speaker 1: physical transformation. And then I'd say, why do you want that?
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  Speaker 1: Like why do you want a better job and more
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  Speaker 1: do why do you want to be able to wear
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  Speaker 1: different clothes? Why do you want to be more attractive?
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  Speaker 1: To someone, why do you want all of these which
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  Speaker 1: are not None of those are bad wise either, But
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  Speaker 1: eventually it comes once you go through the level or
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  Speaker 1: the layer of wise. It's like I want to be happy,
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  Speaker 1: or I don't want to be anxious, or I want
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  Speaker 1: to be like Ultimately, nearly every goal, I think is
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  Speaker 1: in a quest to change some internal state, and it's
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  Speaker 1: that external thing, that external shift that people believe is
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  Speaker 1: the pathway to the internal thing that they really want.
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  Speaker 1: I think nobody has a big goal thinking I hope
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  Speaker 1: this makes me less happy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think happiness comes to happiness significance. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you look if you look at any of the
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  Speaker 3: basic human needs, I think it's all aimed around that.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like happiness is definitely up there on someone's list.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's.
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  Speaker 3: Also meaning, I feel like, And I personally think that's
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  Speaker 3: a more enduring way of supporting happiness because people who
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  Speaker 3: pursue happiness were horrible at predicting what's going to make
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  Speaker 3: us happy. So much of the time we pursue something,
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  Speaker 3: we get there were like, oh my god, is that
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  Speaker 3: all there is?
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  Speaker 1: Like I thought this would be completely.
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  Speaker 3: Different, kind of like Matt Emmons back in the Olympics
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  Speaker 3: has gone back many years ago. So Matt Emmons was
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  Speaker 3: the marksman for the US team, one of the best
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: shooters in the world, and by the end of the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: competition he was so far ahead of everybody else that
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: all he had to do was hit anywhere on the
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: target and instantly he would go home with a gold medal.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: But that sounds personality type. You don't get to be
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: one of the best marksmen in the world by not
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: really putting in work and effort into every shot. So
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: he wanted to get a bullseye, so he focused, aimed,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: exhaled shot, hit the bullseye dead center, and with that
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: went to last place in the competition, went home with
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: no medals. Now the look you're giving me is the
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: look I had on my face, which is.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: On a confusion. How this guy can I get? Go ahead?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Guess what? He shut at the wrong board.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: He hit the bullseye on the target in the lane
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: next to him. Yeah, perfect shot, wrong target. How many
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: of us end up there at one point in our
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: lives or another.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. That's a nice little story, dude.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I got that from Martin Rooney actually, And.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: The thing that we want the thing that we want
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: an aim for is not always the thing that we
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: actually need. Right. And also when you get the bulls
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: either literal or the metaphoric bulls eye, and you win
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the literal or metaphoric gold medal, it's not like, oh
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: good now I'm good. Now I'm happy, I'm content. Yep,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: it's all good. I can just chill out now. There's
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: always something else. There's always more anxiety, more restlessness, you know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: more whatever.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Aside from having your basic human needs Matt, and I'm
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: not just talking about food and shelter. You know how
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: you have people in your social network, You got your
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: mates that you care about them, they care about you.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: So I think all of those things contribute enormously to
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: our level of well being, a satisfaction. But beyond that,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's it's not having, it's in the pursuing.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It's going after something.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I don't really know that it's having something that makes
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: all the difference. And this is just from conversations that
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: were one. We're wired for pursuit, right, We're not wired
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: for having. We're wired for pursuing because I think most
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: of the things we needed for our survival weren't enduring.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: You went out in a hunt, found something, you brought
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: it back to the tribe. Well, you're going to have
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: to go do that again very soon if you want
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: the trife to survive. But it's also my personal conversations,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: like when you ask somebody what was the best time
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: in the life. So you're saying, you want this, this,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: and this. Can you remember a specific time where you
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: feel you've had it, And a lot of people go, yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I remember this, and we'll tell me about that. And
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: so often it's like, oh, I was living in this
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: one bedroom apartment, I was just married and just the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: beginning of our career, and it's about this thing where
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: we didn't have much, but we had these big dreams
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: and we were going after it and we were together.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Togetherness people always show up in those stories most of
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: the time, not always.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting is sometimes when you're in the middle
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of that awesomeness, you don't realize how great it is,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: but then ten years later, you know, or ten thousand
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: miles away from it, it's like, how good was that
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: One of the guys that used to work in one
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of my gyms, the one that we train in tiff
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and you've trained in Bobby the one on Bluff Road,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: or used to be a Harper's. He came up there
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the other night and trained. I think you've met him,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Tiff John, the Massoua guy, the myotherapist guy. Anyway, he
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: said to me, because he used to work at Harper's.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: He had his own little office there and did all
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: this therapy stuff. He said. When we worked here, it
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was the best time of my life, he goes. It
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was the best place I ever worked. It was the
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: best culture, It was the most fun. Everybody loved being here,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: and that was I'm sure there was the odd exception,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: but in general terms that was true. Like it was
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: just a fun, awesome environment to be But at the time,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: while I enjoyed it, but I didn't realize how great
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: it was. You didn't realize how good something is until
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: you get away from the good thing sometimes. But yeah,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I love that time.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: I think that was a whole point at Midnight in
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Paris with Owen Wilson, where it's about everybody romanticizes specific
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: times in their life, like certain periods, and when you
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: get there it might not be as good as you
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: think it was. And really, the best time in your
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: life is what's happening right now. That's the only time
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: you have control over. But I think reflection is really
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: important because what was it about that environment that made
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: it so great for that person at that time? I mean,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: it wasn't the building. There wasn't anything magical about the
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: four walls, you know, you weren't you know, like giving
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: people mushrooms within their water bottles.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: There must have.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Been something that for that individual really made that time
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: worth it and engaging upon reflection.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: So it was it's important, sorry to I think about
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: some of the things that went on back then, like
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: nothing horrendous, but just you know, the just the conversations
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: because there were no iPhones, so like it was the nineties,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: it was late nineties, so there was you know, the
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: odd motorola, bloody brick with a big rubber aeria or something,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: but there's none of the stuff we've got now. And
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say this, No, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: won't say it. But anyway, we had a few things
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: go on there that were just just out of control,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: but nobody got offended. Everybody was in everybody laughed. But
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: now I will say this, I won't our listeners might
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: figure it out, but one of my clients was a female.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: For my thirtieth birthday, which is thirty two years ago,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: enlisted the services of a young lady to come up
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: into the gym and share for the afternoon. Yeah, it was.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: It was just, you know, here's your birthday present. Now,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: what's funny is first that was organized by a woman. Secondly,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and people go, oh you fuck I loved it. I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: didn't love it. I hated it being in my gym.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: All I could think about was fucking what's going to
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: happen now? This is I'm fuck, this is bad for
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: my business, bad for me. I didn't enjoy it, but
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: there was This was like nine point thirty in the morning.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: It was primarily, if not all women in the gym.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: They fucking laughed so hard and had so much fun.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And that was so out of control. And now I'm
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: not suggesting this is a good thing anyone, but one,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't create it. Two I didn't enjoy it. But
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I think about those times when everyone went, this is
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: just a funny thing, Like nobody's twisting anyone's arm. Craig
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: is clearly embarrassed. Yeah, but I think about stuff like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: that now. Fucking hell. Imagine the imagine the upshot of that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's one person with an iPhone. I'm fucked.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: The business is fucked. Everybody's. Even though I didn't organize it,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: didn't want it, didn't do it, somehow I'd still be fucked.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, even though, yeah, things are a little bit
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: different today.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: And we could probably guess in no more than two
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: gases what happened, what that day was about. But it
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: wasn't that. You didn't even feel comfortable with that. It's
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: just being in an environment where people are connected, they're
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: present with one another, they're taking the piss out of
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: one another. Maybe things that are happening seem a little
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: bit crazy at the time. I remember one of and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: this is nowhere near as scandalous is your situation, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: one of my clients, he used to have these ridiculous
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: conversations and somehow we were talking about vampires and Jack
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Russell Terrier's and he had hired somebody to walk into
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: the gym dressed as a vampire and with a Jack
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Russell Terrier. Actually no, not him, my other client who
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: worked for him. So he got to Jack Russell Terrier
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: for the day and he was walking around with this
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: rented dog given to him by a vampire, and I
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: thought that was kind of It's just this light kind
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: of sense of humor and fun, and it's the elements
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: like we didn't have iPhones.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: That's important. So you know, you remember Nick Jarvis, right, yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and say the British dude. Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: So he's like an NLP master. He's done a lot
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: of coaching work out in the UK for a couple
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: of industries and he worked really closely with us. And
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: right in the middle of COVID, I had spoken to
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: someone who I used to work with quite a bit,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: and she was going through a bit of a rough
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: time and she had gone out with Nick and they
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: were just grabbing a pint and you know, this is
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: when you could sit outside, like when the regulations loosened
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: up a little bit for a couple of weeks, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: she was talking about what she was struggling with, and
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: he asked her that question, well, was there ever a
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: time in your life where you felt things really were
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: the way you wanted them to be and you were
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: truly happy? And her response made me a little bit
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: emotional because she said, yeah, it was when we were
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: all together and I remember listening to that and thinking
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: in my head, oh yeah, that was it for me too.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: But it was because you had all of your mates,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: but you weren't just hanging out taking the piss and
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: having a lot of fun. You were doing that, but
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: you were also co committed to one another. There was
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: a sense of partnership to create something beyond all of us.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We had a mission.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: We were learning, we were growing, we were challenging one another.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: We're out doing meaningful stuff that we enjoyed.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It need to exline to our audience. You need to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: explain to our audience who the ways of which you're speaking.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm thinking back in PTA Global, back in the
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: fit pro days, so fit Pro in the UK. You know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: we had just launched recently PTA Global, which was a
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: personal training and leadership development company certification. So it was
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: a couple of us from NASM, a couple of us
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: like Richard from the founder of PT on the net.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: So we had all these really great people that got
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: on really well, that came together and said let's do something.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I think I think it's just that idea of like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: let's do something, let's be present with one another and
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: looking back you know, so well, what's getting the way?
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Like you said, our mobile phones? How much time do
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: we really spend present with another person versus lost in
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: the screen world?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you and I present in New Zealand or
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was that just me? I know I went there for
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: them once. Also London? That was you and I together
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: in London? And yeah, we've we've presented in London. I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if we I know I was in New
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Zealand presenting for like a couple of events. I don't wait, No,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think you were there. What about what about Melweden?
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Were you with me when we went to Sweden for
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the weekend from London? No?
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: No, I was not with you in Sweden.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And then he died in Sweden because I underestimated how
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: cold it was. And I went for a run and
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I went downstairs in this hotel we're at. It was
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: minus six and I had on shorts and a black
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: T shirt nothing else, and the concierge told me I
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: should not go, I shouldn't go outside like that, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like refreshing, Fuck, yeah, fuck it, I'm in Australian
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I'm good. And then I ran out the door and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I ran I just thought, I'm going to because I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: don't know where I am. I'm going to run in
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a straight line for like three k's turn around, run back,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So I did so. I eventually ended up out of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: the town that we're in and into this rural area
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and I was just running past basically fields and bush
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm in the middle of nowhere, and it was
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: like cold, cold, cold, but I went, it's freezing, but
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'm fine because I'm going to keep moving. I'll turn around.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I'm running like five minute k's turn around, fifteen minutes back.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: I'm good. And I turned around and I hand on heart.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: This is true. I did not realize I was running
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: with a significant wind assistance. So I turned around and
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just running into a headwind. And I went from
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: cold to fuck. I think I'm going to die soon.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: And by the time I got back to the hotel,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: like I got in and just all of these people
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: looked at me and came to help me. What the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: fuck have you done? Like my lips were blue, my
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: fingers were blue. And then I finally got up to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was Boydie maybe who let me into
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the room and I went and had a shower, to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: warm up, but I had to put on I put
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: on the cold water because the hot water I couldn't stand.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: So I put on the cold water and it felt
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: warm compared to my body.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And it just the funniest thing about that whole story,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: because it's not funny except for when she said I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: wouldn't go out there, and you're like, oh, I'm Australian.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: No one. I didn't say that. I just thought it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that's exactly true. No, well, that's just says to himself,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: like he's a penguin. If you look back and think
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: there was a time in your life where it was
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: fucking amazing and you'd like to go back there, or
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: maybe that time is now. I feel like for you
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: it might be around now where you're having some of
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the best days.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now is definitely definitely a time. There's there's other times.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I think of a particular gym's where the community and
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the and the space was just incredible and the people
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: around me, Like when I was involved in my first
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: fight and it was interesting. I was thinking about it
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: as you go to talking, and that particular gym it
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: was so special when I joined it, and then it
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: moved to a bigger place, and everything changed and some
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: people left, but this, this space that housed this beautiful
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: thing was gone forever. It was never the same. It's
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: really interesting.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: There are times when I look back at like we
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: used to run Bobby, you came and spoke at one.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: We used to run a yearly camp at Mount Eliza,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And it's funny how like you spend two and a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: half like Friday night, sad Day, Sunday morning and afternoon,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and even just those three days a year were really memorable.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: It's like, how can three days be so memorable?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: That was the best? Can we do that again?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been thinking about that.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You came to a feud, didn't you. Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I came to one and then I asked you. That
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: was when I first asked if I could come and volunteer,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: just to be at it again.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And such a good time and such good energy
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and no dickheads.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: And I have so many connections with people that I
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: met at that event, because there's something specially in a
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: space like that.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Also, when you go hey By, that's where mattn too.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. If you look at the top of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Bobby's bookshelf, a cat.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out earlier if that was
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a real cat or just a pretend cat laying on
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: the shelf.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: That's a roal one?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Is that who Deani?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: That's who Deani? Yeah? Canal look at him? He looks
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like he's in the selarium. He's almost got his head
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: on that light beside. This is terrible podcasting for anyone,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: because now he's gorgeous.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: This is amazing podcasting. Yeah, maybe don't share the videos.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: This is nice, it's adorable.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: He's looking at you like, can you talk quieter? Or
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to sleep?
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And we got over the hypothermia and Sweden. Now we're
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: just talking shit for like the past twenty years.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like we've gone around in circles for
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: forty minutes. I offered next to nothing, but that's okay.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we do that, Bobby. How can people find you
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and connect with you? I moved, so it's a lot harder. Yeah, okay,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Well maybe let's just stay in the virtual context. Fuck
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: your random some days today? What did he say about
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that Nicholas Cage movie or something something in Paris? And
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I'm like, where the fuck did that come from?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Ohen Wilson was in that. But what is wrong with
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: quoting a film? You watch films, right.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I know, But here's the thing. You go, it's like
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Owen Wilson in the Weekend in Paris or whatever the fuck, Like,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: we all know what that is.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: You know that sent yeahs don't know and yeah so
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: and then he did this in that film and that
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: was the mean point of the film.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: There you go a little bit of backstory. Wow, we
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: all feel so enlightened.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I wish the listeners could say, because sometimes when Bobby responds,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: you look like you get whiplash.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: You're like, what the fuck is going on here? I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just go, I go. I'll get no
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: idea what that means. So I'm pretty sure neither do
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: our audience, because I know the little weirdo pretty well.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know that answer, that's not helping. But
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: in his the little world, it all makes sense.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some things that I need to like work through.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I just realized people need some comments to me. It's
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: like I've gotten some constructive feedback as of late.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Well, we know it all makes sense in your head,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: that's the main thing. But if you could let us
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: not always on, then what did you say?
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Not always doesn't always make sense in my head. Sometimes
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to work it out. That's why I'm saying
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: it out loud. So let me say this if it
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: makes any more sense. Sometimes I ask you again? Could
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I ask you again?
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: How can people contact you? The self help antidope?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: You can leave me a message?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Okay? No? Oh, oyes, you're so difficult. Do you know
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: how conversations work? Self help antidotes, dot com help? Dear
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: sweet baby Jesus you mean patience?
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Oh God?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: All right, boys and girls, thank you both. Say goodbye. Fair.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I had fun