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Former Paratrooper Exposes The TRUTH About War | Dr Tam Thornborrow · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello friends, I'm your host, christ Throw. I'm a former
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Speaker 1: Rumeries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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Speaker 1: eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port
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Speaker 1: the t Shirt Podcast. Dr Tom. How are you doing?
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Speaker 2: I phone? Thanks to yourself?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm super mate. Thank you. It's a funny thing
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Speaker 1: what I said there. You know, when you when you
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Speaker 1: when you just say to anybody in this this nation, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's not a good idea, is it to send our
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Speaker 1: teenagers into a foreign land to go and kill their teenagers?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Everyone would agree with you, wouldn't they. They'd be like, now,
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Speaker 1: that's this awful war. You know, it's a it's awful.
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Speaker 1: And yet when the old cabal create the next conflict,
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Speaker 1: everyone's like, yeah, this good and we've both been in combat,
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Speaker 1: so we can have this conversation, can't we.
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Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure. They really issue is expectations, you know,
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Speaker 2: circumstances all to faces. Take me, for example, in the
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Speaker 2: first talk we had, you know, we explained why we
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Speaker 2: joined the regiment, why we became soldiers, and so on
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Speaker 2: and so on. That's all aspect of our social lives.
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Speaker 2: But when you're looking at what happened in terms of
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Speaker 2: the idea of being a soldier and the reality I
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Speaker 2: ended up in combat are completely divorced. They're like two
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Speaker 2: different ends of a spectrum. So there's all the jingos
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Speaker 2: and the propaganda. Now in the brotherhood of the regiment,
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Speaker 2: for example, we were warriors. End of story. Bloodluss the
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Speaker 2: first thing to go somewhere to do it because the
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Speaker 2: investment we've made in each other in terms of our
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Speaker 2: own training, brotherhood learning, and it's not just going through
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Speaker 2: pea company and passing, and it's not just going through
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Speaker 2: marine training and passing is the life after and so
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Speaker 2: you end up in a kind of expectation that something's
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Speaker 2: going to happen. And for our generation, there was always
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Speaker 2: Northern Ireland. You our Northern Island if you join the
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Speaker 2: Partis of Marines at end of Stony. So that was
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Speaker 2: an expectation. So what was it that sent us out there?
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Speaker 2: What happened? Well, you go back into history and you
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Speaker 2: see exact same people, not the people aren't alive, but
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Speaker 2: the same bloodlines all the way back into there, going
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Speaker 2: in and causing problems. Now, why what was Northern Ireland about?
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Speaker 2: It was rich in coal. Yeah, Now you understand it,
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Speaker 2: the whole Battle of the Boine and everything. So that
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Speaker 2: using religion in this one as a dividing rule. Now,
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Speaker 2: coming to religion, what people believe, and you've seen, we
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Speaker 2: know that some people will go to the end of
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Speaker 2: the aar, they'll crawl across broken glass for religion. These
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Speaker 2: people in the in Tibet, they crawl five kilombers no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 2: five kilometers a day or something like that for fifty
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Speaker 2: days on a pilgrimage. You know, I've seen this, and
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Speaker 2: like I say myself, that's the power of belief. So
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Speaker 2: again we come back to beliefs. I believed when I
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Speaker 2: joined the Army that I was going to have fun.
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Speaker 2: I understood that I was going to go to Northern Ireland,
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Speaker 2: and I accepted that in the Northern Ireland. For those
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Speaker 2: of you who know a lot about the history, put
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Speaker 2: that aside. I just want to talk about one particular
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Speaker 2: incident and it blew me away. And I was very
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Speaker 2: much aware it was Catholic Protestant, but I didn't really
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Speaker 2: understand why even though I'm from Leith and I was
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Speaker 2: a hip supporter and we had Hearts and Rangers and
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Speaker 2: Celtic and all this to deal with Scott's. It migrates
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Speaker 2: over there, stronger, harder to penetrate. So I'm in Newry's
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Speaker 2: Saturday morning. I'm on the street. It's my first tour.
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Speaker 2: I've been there probably three or four days of standing
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Speaker 2: in the doorway and this beautiful, beautiful girls walking along
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Speaker 2: the street. You're talking, the green eyes, the dark hair,
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Speaker 2: stunning and of course I'm standing there Cherryberry cam Creane SLR,
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Speaker 2: flat jacket, leaning against the doorway. And if this was
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Speaker 2: back home and leave, I would have stepped out there
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Speaker 2: and go, what are you going, darling, Galana something that
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Speaker 2: start a conversation. She walked up to me, closed in,
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Speaker 2: spat agreener in my face, in my face. Then I
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Speaker 2: realized what I was dealing with. All illusions shattered. And
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Speaker 2: this was just after warring point as well, but all
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Speaker 2: illusions shattered about what we were dealing with. So you
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Speaker 2: end up with a situation where you are there in
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Speaker 2: order to do the will of the British government as
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Speaker 2: a member of their security forces, irrespective of what the
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Speaker 2: people want. And then you find out that the very
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Speaker 2: people that are sending you there, that the people behind
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Speaker 2: it manipulating the Irish government in order to have this continuity.
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Speaker 2: So it's a great training area. Imagine that fourteen fifteen
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Speaker 2: years of the British Army and the British government kept
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Speaker 2: that conflict going in order to train us, in order
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Speaker 2: for arms companies, et cetera, et cetera. The amount of
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Speaker 2: money that was spent on that conflict was an Operation Banner,
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Speaker 2: I think they called it. The amount of money that
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Speaker 2: was spent and that was phenomenal over the years. And
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Speaker 2: what's the result. It's the same as Afghanistan. It's the
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Speaker 2: same as Iraq. Go and kick up shit, annoy people,
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Speaker 2: hurt them, kill them, destroy their culture, destroy their way
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Speaker 2: of life, and then leave. And then you're leave it
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Speaker 2: a vacuum. What happens they all start fighting and then
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Speaker 2: our government goes told you so that's why we went
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Speaker 2: there because it always fighting. No, no, they weren't always fighting.
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Speaker 2: Which comes back to the very question you asked me
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Speaker 2: at the beginning before the podcast when we were having
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Speaker 2: the chat, what is going on? Why do people allow
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Speaker 2: this to happen?
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Speaker 1: Yes, and Tim, another thing is now that we've seen
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Speaker 1: I always say the events in New York and Washington
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago I don't say that number because it
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Speaker 1: gets us in trouble on the podcast. But now that
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Speaker 1: you've seen that, and now you've seen when things kind
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Speaker 1: of go booming in for example, you know, a major
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Speaker 1: English city, and then when you learn the people really
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Speaker 1: behind it, those that you know by sealth thou shall
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Speaker 1: do war, and all the associated agencies that are all
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Speaker 1: controlled by this this darkness. Doesn't it make you question
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Speaker 1: who was behind those bombs in Birmingham and and yes
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Speaker 1: and deal where they took out the marine bandsman? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it puts up friends at home. What what we're getting
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Speaker 1: at here? I have to obviously have to be careful
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Speaker 1: what to say because of the platform some of the
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Speaker 1: platforms we use. But you know, we just believe blindly
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Speaker 1: back then when something went boom, it was then bad
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Speaker 1: guys that did it, and we would have gone after
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Speaker 1: them without hesitation. What I'm saying now is now that
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Speaker 1: we know the more about the use of false flags.
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Speaker 1: I and now that we found out that the head
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Speaker 1: of the IRA was actually London, it was sex then
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Speaker 1: you know the whole thing is broke into question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, here's a little dejection. I was on one
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Speaker 2: of these courses in emotional intelligence. And there was a
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Speaker 2: guy there, PhD. Holder, ex Special Branch Dublin for about
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Speaker 2: eight or nine years. He was there around about the
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Speaker 2: time at one point and over lunch as the system,
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Speaker 2: So you know you were in all this, And I
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Speaker 2: didn't tell him that i'd been there. I just said,
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Speaker 2: why didn't you stop it? The smirk, you understand me,
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Speaker 2: The smirk and then the lie. But it was that smirk,
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Speaker 2: the giveaway that he knew about it before it. I
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Speaker 2: had to restrain myself mentally because it wasn't the right
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Speaker 2: circumstances in public and the nice push restaurant, reaching over
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Speaker 2: the table and smacking this guy hard because I realized
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Speaker 2: then what was going on. I knew inside, like I say,
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Speaker 2: these people, the Irish Colleen that spat in my face,
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Speaker 2: she was so wound up by all time of propaganda
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Speaker 2: that she's just as well put a gun to my
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Speaker 2: head and pulled the trigger. That was the intent. So
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Speaker 2: I'm up. That shocked me that the people hated us
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Speaker 2: so much, and I had to start asking the question why.
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Speaker 2: And then there's the religion, as the Protestant Catholic divide
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Speaker 2: and rule. It's the over Galien dialectic again, two sides
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Speaker 2: of the same coin. Here we have this one God,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, all these Catholics doing this, and all these
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Speaker 2: Protestants doing this, and then now the twins shall meet,
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Speaker 2: because what you do is a clash of ideas a
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Speaker 2: class of culture, as a class of beliefs, and therefore
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Speaker 2: they can't be right, and they can't be right. And
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Speaker 2: where you end up with is this perennial difference in opinion.
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Speaker 2: But wait a minute, I thought it was the same God, kind, caring,
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Speaker 2: loving on the present of the potent God that loops
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Speaker 2: after us all. And yet yeah, this thing repeated to
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Speaker 2: be a man. Let's say I pretend it's a man
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Speaker 2: with long hair and a white beard, sits up in
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Speaker 2: this big golden throne. Well, this guy is his own son,
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Speaker 2: and he created us in order to sin so he
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Speaker 2: could punish us. That sounds like a psychle to me.
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Speaker 2: And yet here we are. He've got all these people
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Speaker 2: divided and rolled. So how do I think like this?
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Speaker 2: Where did this come from? Is this years of research? No,
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Speaker 2: it was an epiphany. And you know we were talking earlier,
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Speaker 2: and even last time I mentioned that you want to
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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about good screen. So I don't
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Speaker 2: want to talk about shooty bang bang and leave that
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Speaker 2: to the others, you know. I want to talk about
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Speaker 2: what happened to me. So again, it's the story, and
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Speaker 2: I like the story. I like to tell stories in
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Speaker 2: my own way. So it was a morning. It was
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Speaker 2: a twenty ninth of May nineteen eighty two. The sun
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Speaker 2: is just peeping over the horizon. So we've got this
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Speaker 2: beautiful shaft of golden light coming across, and there's a
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Speaker 2: light covering the snow on the ground and the gosses burning.
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there, just finished a cup of tea in
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Speaker 2: a hard tack biscuit, and I'm looking out just over
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Speaker 2: the battlefield, relieved and all that been up all night
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Speaker 2: and there's no sleep for something like thirty six seven
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Speaker 2: hours at that point. And then her voice, Corporal form Brough.
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Speaker 2: I recognize that, damn getting familiar, and it's the Patrick
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Speaker 2: chaplain and I always get confused between padry and chaplain.
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Speaker 2: But it's a regimental god squad, all right. So I'm
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Speaker 2: his bodyguard. So I got shit. This can't be good. Now.
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Speaker 2: There was no fighting, that's been a lull and this
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Speaker 2: is the morning. So the history books tell you. You know,
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Speaker 2: there's this pregnant pause as he worked. Major Keble had
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Speaker 2: put in his bluff. If you like that, we're going
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Speaker 2: to hammer you, and you better surrender. So this is
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Speaker 2: on the cusp. Anyway, I get up, you know, pick
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Speaker 2: up my rifle, pick up my smudge gun that I've
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Speaker 2: got off the rgs. We'll start walking towards him. And
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Speaker 2: then he comes up the hill and he says, right,
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Speaker 2: we go. Come with me, and we go around to
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Speaker 2: the battalion HQ and sitting on the ground as an
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Speaker 2: Argentinean officer, and he stands up as we as we
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Speaker 2: enter the area, and I get introduced to him as
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Speaker 2: the padre or the chaplain off the Argentine Onion Garrison
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Speaker 2: in Goose Green. So here we have I've got our
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Speaker 2: chaplain and their padrey. Let's use these words. I've got
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Speaker 2: a chaplain and a padre, and their mission, unbeknowns to me,
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Speaker 2: is to go up to the schoolhouse. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: the famous schoolhouse that Mortars and D Company and C
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Speaker 2: Company Sorry slaughtered. So I didn't know this at the time.
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Speaker 2: All I heard was that the Argentineans the surrender and
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Speaker 2: as part of it, this guy is going to go
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Speaker 2: over there to give his last rights to the dead soldiers.
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Speaker 2: Now forgive me. At that point, I still thought that
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Speaker 2: last rights were giving when someone was alive. I didn't
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Speaker 2: understand the catalylicism that you can do it when they're dead.
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Speaker 2: So off we go. Now I'm shipping myself because there's
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Speaker 2: no ceasefire. There's two or three hundred trigger happy Tom's
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Speaker 2: out there, you know, and it's just becoming dawn. We
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Speaker 2: still get the first whisper dawn, and so we start walking,
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Speaker 2: and mercifully we're not going into the Goose Green Settlement settlement.
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Speaker 2: We've got them the other way. We're going into towards
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Speaker 2: the schoolhouse. So that's a relief. I'm heading away from
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Speaker 2: with the argies are and Andrew go up and the
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Speaker 2: hill across this it's just a little sand dune sort
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Speaker 2: of thing. And then the sun comes up, so it's
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Speaker 2: shining right in our faces. And the Argentinian padre stopped
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Speaker 2: and he starts speaking to us in Spanish, and for
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Speaker 2: some reason, I don't know our chap he turns and
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Speaker 2: starts speaking to them in German. For everyone's saying no, no,
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Speaker 2: but the guy responded in German. Now, I've been in
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Speaker 2: Berlin for two years, and I guess that's where our
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Speaker 2: chapelin got it from. He picked him a bit of German. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: guy produces a little piece of paper from his pocket
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Speaker 2: and it's a map, and he just says the magic
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Speaker 2: word mining. Oh shit, we're in the minefield. No, we
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Speaker 2: were on the entrance to it, but he had his
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Speaker 2: map through. So we're walking through this minefield. I'm absolutely terrified.
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Speaker 2: You can see them in the ground, the little stocks
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Speaker 2: coming up like umbrellas, you know, with a skin on them.
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Speaker 2: They've frozen in. I think that they've frozen in. I
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Speaker 2: think it happened to you guys up going up on
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Speaker 2: two sisters, and they did frozen in the ground. So anyway,
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Speaker 2: we started getting through that, and we get out the
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Speaker 2: other side, and then facing me up another little rise
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Speaker 2: facing me as a skull has one side, there's a
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Speaker 2: chimney start. The other side there's a ball roofs completely
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Speaker 2: cash crashed in and central beams folded into the middle.
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Speaker 2: There's all this corrugated iron wriggleatin desks, bits of metal
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Speaker 2: from the burnt desks and stuff like that. All heat
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Speaker 2: on the floor, small drink coming up. Just then sun
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Speaker 2: shines through it, and there's a wall. It's like asbestos.
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Speaker 2: This thing is like standing and imagine standing inside a
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Speaker 2: tea bag with pinpoints. The sun coming through and the
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Speaker 2: smoke rising it was like dots all over you, you know,
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Speaker 2: like the laser dots and a lot, but all over
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Speaker 2: and the smoke rising up. And I'm just standing there
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Speaker 2: looking at this. And then the wind changed a little
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Speaker 2: bit towards me. And the smell, the smell that is
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Speaker 2: in here. I don't eat bacon anymore. I can't stand
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Speaker 2: it because of that smell, very very similar by smell
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Speaker 2: and burnt flesh. So the Patrick goes in, the chapeling
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Speaker 2: goes in, and I walk in and on the ground
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Speaker 2: there's all this smoldering and I'm looking around in this
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Speaker 2: chapel and he gets out. He's rosary, and he gets out.
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Speaker 2: He's little by by bone. He's going around sprinkling water,
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Speaker 2: and now, what the fuck's this guy doing? And then
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Speaker 2: they hit me. So I lifted a bit. I lifted
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Speaker 2: a bit of corrugated iron up when my foot's HoTT
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Speaker 2: lifted up and underneath was a pair of boots. So
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Speaker 2: I lifted it even more, and then all I could
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Speaker 2: see was just ankles, and then nothing else, just charred.
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Speaker 2: And I went around counting boots and I got to
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Speaker 2: twenty one. Don't ask me why I didn't get twenty two. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there was no one legged soldier in there, but I
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Speaker 2: got to twenty one, So that meant at least there
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Speaker 2: was at least ten or eleven dead soldiers in there. Now,
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Speaker 2: this was as a result of the assault the D
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Speaker 2: Company and C Company put in on that, and of
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Speaker 2: course with it going on fire, with the amount of
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Speaker 2: pair of technics that hit it, or this roof of
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Speaker 2: all collapsing, and they were probably dead, but they were
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Speaker 2: in cinnerad fucking cooked head and the helmet steering at
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Speaker 2: me when I I was a skull cooked smell it
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Speaker 2: looking at me. Ah, so he is, he's going around
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Speaker 2: dipping all this. This came over me. It's this absolute rage.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Two days ago, you're on one hill
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Speaker 2: talking to your soldiers asking God, and you're asking him
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Speaker 2: for victory, protection, safety, the whole shabban, and you, your fucker,
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Speaker 2: you're on the other hill doing exactly the same thing.
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Speaker 2: How does God choose? How does he choose who gets hit,
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Speaker 2: who gets killed, who gets away with it? How does
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Speaker 2: he choose? If both of God's representatives on Earth are
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Speaker 2: asking the same God for the same thing, how does
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Speaker 2: he choose? And that just blew me away. And that's
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Speaker 2: where I can come back and saying the guy must
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Speaker 2: be a psychopath, because if he's there to protect us
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Speaker 2: and look after us and give us a good life,
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Speaker 2: why the hell does he put us in situations like that?
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Speaker 2: And this goes back tens of thousands of years, So
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Speaker 2: how did we become like this? And they'rein making to
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Speaker 2: make him move on to maybe a little bit off
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Speaker 2: the genetic manipulation that went on thousands of years ago.
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Speaker 2: Though a lot of people don't accept it and don't believe,
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Speaker 2: but it's pretty clear and pretty obvious to me. Whether
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Speaker 2: Basil Ganglia all of a sudden without evolution, it jumps
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Speaker 2: that we've got another labor of thinking that takes us
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Speaker 2: away from the primates, the great apes, where we can raison,
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Speaker 2: rationalize in different ways, We can perceive different ways than
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Speaker 2: the apes can. Sure they can communicate, they've got all
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Speaker 2: the social aspects. You watch chimpanzees, you say, fuck, that's
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Speaker 2: like humans. Except we have this exa. But they found
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Speaker 2: out that the basil ganglia, if you like, it was
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Speaker 2: altered in some way. It wasn't evolution, it was a
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Speaker 2: jump and that's what gave us this lady reason. So
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Speaker 2: got nothing to do with running over the savannah with
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Speaker 2: spears and getting a bigger brain, because we've got to
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Speaker 2: hunt prey. So if you can accept that, then that
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Speaker 2: comes back to the question how does God choose? Maybe
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Speaker 2: just maybe there's not a God. Oh shit, man, that's
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Speaker 2: going to do a lot of people. But it makes
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Speaker 2: sense to me, you see, because I can pick up
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Speaker 2: a stone chriss and that stone is made of molecules
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Speaker 2: and atoms and it's solid. Yeah, and I'll look at
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Speaker 2: me and I'm made of molecules and atoms. But the
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Speaker 2: difference between that stone is we're made from the same earth.
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Speaker 2: We're all made from pure sunshine. That's an animate and
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Speaker 2: I am what's the difference. I'm thinking that's not but
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Speaker 2: that too busiest think what's the difference? Again? It's my
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Speaker 2: ability to reason. So I can look at the stone
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Speaker 2: and say, this is part of the universe, and so
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Speaker 2: why what differences me is? I'm thinking what paused and
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Speaker 2: created that thinking. So if I can move my body
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Speaker 2: around and the stone can't, there must be something that
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Speaker 2: does that, and that's what we call life. So where
17:38
Speaker 2: does that life come from? Where does that spark come from? Well,
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Speaker 2: the evolutionists will say, yes, primeval super some big universe
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Speaker 2: mate must happen somewhere, all infinity and all that. Fine,
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Speaker 2: But what if it was just deliberate genetic manipulation of
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Speaker 2: a species that was already here in order to create
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Speaker 2: a race for some reason. Now there's some theories that
18:00
Speaker 2: say the people came here in mind gold and set
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Speaker 2: up civilizations and this is how we became different from
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Speaker 2: chimpanzees and so on, and we evolved. But basically what
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Speaker 2: we brought with us is this war like this, how
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Speaker 2: do you say aggression against each other? Now we look
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Speaker 2: at it and say, oh, evolution. You as a father,
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Speaker 2: you talk about your little legend, he got the ds
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Speaker 2: to protect and want you sold every father sold, every mother.
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Speaker 2: And so when you've got one community living and they've
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Speaker 2: got their resources, and another community runs out of resources
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Speaker 2: and they want your resources, what happens. They can either
18:36
Speaker 2: come and negotiate or they can come and take Unfortunately,
18:39
Speaker 2: human nature is we come and take. So now jumping
18:43
Speaker 2: all way way ahead, we've got a great negotiator. And
18:45
Speaker 2: now who's a president. He's not a politician, he's not
18:48
Speaker 2: from that ilk. He's a negotiator. And so he's now
18:51
Speaker 2: negotiating on different terms that people have never heard before,
18:54
Speaker 2: and it's sucking their heads up because he's not coming
18:56
Speaker 2: from the traditional perspective. He's not coming from the traditional
19:00
Speaker 2: political planet name which is remember I said this before.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fascinating one. Tam that because my friend
19:08
Speaker 1: John Saint Julian on his channel, he calls it the
19:12
Speaker 1: alien slave technology that we have somehow, and I don't
19:18
Speaker 1: know if this is like metaphysical, literal, biological whatever, but
19:23
Speaker 1: somehow it's been implanted or programmed into us. Because when
19:27
Speaker 1: I do my when I was speaking at the Thetford
19:30
Speaker 1: Freedom Festival the other day and I was trying to
19:32
Speaker 1: explain to people life and I said, in a very
19:36
Speaker 1: quick synopsis, God's up there. He's bored. He hasn't invented
19:40
Speaker 1: his Xbox yet, so he's got literally got nothing to do,
19:43
Speaker 1: and he thinks, you know what I'm going I'm going
19:45
Speaker 1: to create this experiment called life I'm going to take
19:50
Speaker 1: a you know, a rib from Adam, which is allegory
19:54
Speaker 1: for taking an electron from an atom, which creates you know,
19:58
Speaker 1: chain reaction of energy. And then this experiment's going to grow.
20:01
Speaker 1: And then out of this life, sentient life is going
20:05
Speaker 1: to form. That's me and you and you know, thinking
20:08
Speaker 1: thinking animals. And and here's here's the kicker. Is that
20:15
Speaker 1: life ever gonna get intelligent enough to realize it is me?
20:21
Speaker 1: It is a holographic representation of the big Man of
20:25
Speaker 1: the big picture that all everything or is it gonna
20:30
Speaker 1: excuse my French, fuck it all up and get all
20:33
Speaker 1: into identity and ego and power struggle and nationalism and
20:39
Speaker 1: you stay there and I'm here and I've got all
20:41
Speaker 1: the gold and you haven't, and I'm gonna take your
20:44
Speaker 1: oil and did it and and as such destroy itself
20:49
Speaker 1: through mechanisms like industrialization which is just polluting the planet,
20:55
Speaker 1: and wipe itself out another fall of rome, so to speak.
21:00
Speaker 1: And then you know, just like the you know, we
21:05
Speaker 1: go again, so to speak, you know, and life goes again,
21:09
Speaker 1: and does that the next time? Does the intelligence get
21:13
Speaker 1: enough to realize that we are God? And clearly we're
21:17
Speaker 1: a long way away from that in a moment, because
21:20
Speaker 1: no matter who's leading us, none of them would ever
21:23
Speaker 1: have this level conversation, certainly not you know, on a
21:26
Speaker 1: public sphere. And is it tam that we you know,
21:31
Speaker 1: can we explore the positive possibility? Have we been interfered with?
21:35
Speaker 1: Are we a slave race? Was there you know some
21:38
Speaker 1: masters that came down and thought, right, I'm going to
21:40
Speaker 1: take that gene out of these monkey men so that
21:44
Speaker 1: they all become a bit you know, easily controlled by
21:50
Speaker 1: their primal desires. Or is it just that our brains
21:55
Speaker 1: have got too clever. We can now go and get
21:58
Speaker 1: a month's worth of food in literally five minutes in
22:03
Speaker 1: the supermarket. We can farm grain, which totally unnatural, with
22:08
Speaker 1: poisoning ourselves. So we lose the spiritual connection. We've come
22:13
Speaker 1: so far from God because we've gone down the material
22:16
Speaker 1: route and we believe that buying things make you know,
22:21
Speaker 1: makes us happy.
22:23
Speaker 2: Interesting point there, Chris, I'm going to intervene because he
22:25
Speaker 2: come to the paradox and it's an absolute cracker. You
22:30
Speaker 2: end up in a situation where as science unfolds knowledge
22:35
Speaker 2: exactly what you were saying, you know, we become more
22:37
Speaker 2: and more intelligent or more and more knowledgeable. Intelligence is
22:40
Speaker 2: a basic you know, we end up in a situation
22:43
Speaker 2: where we questioned God to go back one hundred years.
22:46
Speaker 2: You couldn't my childhood, You couldn't you know, a priest
22:49
Speaker 2: knocking on the door and say sorry. The minister knock
22:52
Speaker 2: on the door, asking my mother why she wasn't a church,
22:54
Speaker 2: and she points at five of us and goes, I
22:55
Speaker 2: about five am and a Sunday morning, the slams the door.
22:58
Speaker 2: You know, he's only after my anyway. But the point
23:01
Speaker 2: is it becomes a paradox because the less we need God,
23:05
Speaker 2: because if you like, science and technology is explaining more
23:09
Speaker 2: and more and more about us as compared to our
23:12
Speaker 2: ancestors who didn't know much. You know, the paradox is
23:15
Speaker 2: the less we believe in God, the more we need them.
23:19
Speaker 2: Look at what's happening to the world right now, and
23:22
Speaker 2: I think that you can safely say that there is
23:25
Speaker 2: one demographic that is very strong and rising, while the
23:28
Speaker 2: other that was established is melting away and folding away.
23:32
Speaker 2: And as you know, and plague ground behavior. When you
23:34
Speaker 2: get one gang replacing another gang, the gang that gets replaced,
23:38
Speaker 2: they all dissolve and eventually they have to join the
23:41
Speaker 2: new gang. And this is where we are. We're entering
23:44
Speaker 2: in a class of civilization that's not driven by God.
23:47
Speaker 2: It's believe. It's driven by people who believe and believe
23:51
Speaker 2: they are God. And this is this is the this
23:53
Speaker 2: is the absolute power. Power corrupts absolutely, it's the logical
23:57
Speaker 2: conclusion of it. So we're in a situation where we
24:01
Speaker 2: have an elite cabal of people, for right or wrong,
24:04
Speaker 2: They've got their own beliefs, their own values, their own
24:07
Speaker 2: reason for doing it. They're exercising great wealth and they're
24:11
Speaker 2: changing society in ways that they want that will benefit them.
24:15
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, that's what chieftains used to do thousands
24:18
Speaker 2: of years ago, sorry, thousands of years ago or tens
24:21
Speaker 2: of thousands of years ago in their communities. So the
24:25
Speaker 2: exact same behavior occurs. This is where you can come
24:29
Speaker 2: to the idea of what you said, programming what changes
24:32
Speaker 2: circumstances all to faces. Technology brings in more opportunities for
24:37
Speaker 2: us to be otherwise occupied. People. When I was a kid,
24:42
Speaker 2: they come in, their shipyard would empty. They'd all got
24:45
Speaker 2: the pub on a Friday, spend half their wages, go home,
24:47
Speaker 2: beat their wives or whatever, and then the Monday morning,
24:50
Speaker 2: the back at work, and that was it. That was
24:52
Speaker 2: their life. Never question, never argue me. I'm not fucking
24:55
Speaker 2: going in a shipyard. I ended up in a factory
24:59
Speaker 2: six eighteen, so I was out. I couldn't. No, no,
25:01
Speaker 2: I'm not staying in here. I'm not giving my life
25:04
Speaker 2: to this. So I was already questioning. I was in
25:06
Speaker 2: trouble at school for it. I was one absolute beauty.
25:09
Speaker 2: I was about ten years old. We had to go
25:11
Speaker 2: to this ceremony, Eastern Church Service whole school. And I'm
25:16
Speaker 2: sitting there and that's a minister and if you commit,
25:20
Speaker 2: you will send you will be struck down by God.
25:23
Speaker 2: Know this. And I'm sitting there. Wait a minute, put
25:25
Speaker 2: my hand up. This is school. You don't do that.
25:27
Speaker 2: Put my hand up. And of course he couldn't ignore it.
25:30
Speaker 2: He said, my schools split that out. Mate, got my
25:34
Speaker 2: hand up. I've got a question. Excuse me. You said,
25:38
Speaker 2: if we said God, we'll punish us. Yes, Well why
25:42
Speaker 2: do we have prisons? The guy melted in front of me.
25:45
Speaker 2: I got kicked out and I had to stand outside
25:47
Speaker 2: the headmaster's office. Well, they called my father. That was
25:49
Speaker 2: ten and nine, ten years old. That's what I did.
25:52
Speaker 2: I challenged it all. So even then I was having
25:55
Speaker 2: my doubts. Once upon a time, forgive me. I ran
25:58
Speaker 2: along the street and I stolen apple, A stolen apple deliberately,
26:02
Speaker 2: and I stood there and I held it in my hand,
26:05
Speaker 2: and I said, I have permission a crying I have
26:09
Speaker 2: since strike me down dead, Nanata, you get me. This
26:14
Speaker 2: is nineteen year old that I was questioning, fucking as
26:16
Speaker 2: I ended up in the army. But my point is,
26:18
Speaker 2: I think that there are people that have come in
26:21
Speaker 2: to this earth at certain times in order for them
26:26
Speaker 2: to be in places to do things. Now, I'm not
26:30
Speaker 2: talking about guys like Tony Blair or Trump or Adolf
26:35
Speaker 2: Hitler or anybody of these people. I'm talking about every
26:39
Speaker 2: day people. And if you look around you, Chris, you
26:42
Speaker 2: will see that everywhere you turn, there are saints and
26:45
Speaker 2: angels willing to help, want to help. But the narrative
26:49
Speaker 2: is don't because you'll get into trouble. The propaganda is,
26:53
Speaker 2: you know, man, mind thyself, don't help other people. The
26:56
Speaker 2: government is here to look after you. And that's what
26:58
Speaker 2: leads back to the hell Hegelian dialectic. The government looks
27:02
Speaker 2: after us political parties, don't they do the government's bidding.
27:07
Speaker 2: So whether it's labor conservative, it's two sides of the
27:10
Speaker 2: same coin. They start to use the word uni party.
27:12
Speaker 2: I knew these years and years and years ago, because
27:15
Speaker 2: again studying hego divide and rule simple. You look where Britain,
27:20
Speaker 2: look how to built his empire. Go into a country,
27:22
Speaker 2: say Afghanistan two hundred years ago. What do you do
27:25
Speaker 2: one tribal warrior give him the money, and our tribal
27:28
Speaker 2: warrior give him the money, and then set them against
27:30
Speaker 2: each other. Then they start fighting, and you sell their
27:32
Speaker 2: arms to them. You sell their arms to them. That
27:35
Speaker 2: cash is coming in. So four or five hundred years
27:38
Speaker 2: of that. And you know, from the Tudors and so on,
27:41
Speaker 2: and all the wars and as in Core and all this,
27:43
Speaker 2: four or five hundred years of that, people have got
27:45
Speaker 2: a very sound idea. But where'd we get the idea from? Ah,
27:48
Speaker 2: that's right, the Romans, of course, the Romans would do that.
27:52
Speaker 2: Where the Romans get the idea from Greeks? They got
27:56
Speaker 2: from the Greeks. Where do the Greeks get from? Oh,
27:58
Speaker 2: dear me, the pairs? Where do Persians get it from?
28:02
Speaker 2: Way back into antiquity to the Brahman in India, divide
28:06
Speaker 2: and roll. All these thousands and thousands of years, we
28:11
Speaker 2: people have this ability to rise above beyond it, but
28:14
Speaker 2: we're kept down. And this is the darkness that you're
28:17
Speaker 2: calling about. You're talking about. It's been allowed to thrive
28:21
Speaker 2: because like attracts like. And of course we have this
28:24
Speaker 2: natural greed in us. Now it's not it's inherent hunter gatherers. Right.
28:29
Speaker 2: You and I walking through the forest. Wow, apple tree, Oh,
28:32
Speaker 2: happy birthday me and you've got food. We eat as
28:35
Speaker 2: much as we can because we're moving on. But at
28:38
Speaker 2: that moment, we've got all that food. So what do
28:40
Speaker 2: we do. We gather it, don't we and we keep
28:42
Speaker 2: it and then we can use it to trade with
28:44
Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of apples if you won't
28:46
Speaker 2: get me a cup of water down at the stream.
28:49
Speaker 2: So this kind of thing is we are. We are
28:52
Speaker 2: programmed to gather, to collect, to hoard, substitute money for fruit,
28:56
Speaker 2: for grain for food and what have you got the
28:59
Speaker 2: same side ecological processes running in your mind, but at
29:02
Speaker 2: the same time it's elevated into another system, which is
29:06
Speaker 2: your finance and which is the social glue that holds
29:09
Speaker 2: everybody together. It's exactly the same principle, but it's just
29:13
Speaker 2: evolved and evolved and involved. And now we've got all
29:15
Speaker 2: these complicated mathematics where everybody can work at all these
29:20
Speaker 2: complex equations that we say, oh, we can go there
29:22
Speaker 2: in space making go and do all this. But Chris,
29:25
Speaker 2: here's the fundamental issue. A lot of people don't get this.
29:28
Speaker 2: Numbers don't exist in nature. Think about it. Put one
29:33
Speaker 2: in my hand, Put one in my hand, not one
29:35
Speaker 2: is something. Put one you can't doesn't exist. These are
29:39
Speaker 2: abstract notions. But without these numbers, we couldn't be organized.
29:42
Speaker 2: And without being organized, we could never have moved out
29:44
Speaker 2: of the village, and we could never have built towns.
29:46
Speaker 2: As you said earlier before, before we started this, the
29:49
Speaker 2: ability to measure, the ability to artifact, that comes from
29:53
Speaker 2: up here. So where did that idea come from. It's
29:56
Speaker 2: built on the knowledge of what comes before. You take
29:59
Speaker 2: someone from fire five thousand years ago and put them
30:01
Speaker 2: in the modern street, they just totally freak out. They
30:03
Speaker 2: blow their mind because of the amount of change. And
30:06
Speaker 2: yet they still fart, they still snore, they still argue,
30:10
Speaker 2: they still have friends, they have their routines, their highways,
30:14
Speaker 2: in their minds. Nothing's changed as a human being except
30:17
Speaker 2: for circumstances. So here we are. We're in this situation
30:21
Speaker 2: where we're being flooded with all of this artificial intelligent
30:25
Speaker 2: and Internet is good. Are two points on that one.
30:28
Speaker 2: Artificial intelligence is not real. I've got flowers on a
30:32
Speaker 2: window sill. They're artificial, but they're real. At the same time,
30:36
Speaker 2: there's a paradox. They actually exist in the real world,
30:38
Speaker 2: but they're not real flowers. So it's the same with
30:41
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. It is not real, but people treat it
30:44
Speaker 2: as real. But this is just the sum total of
30:47
Speaker 2: our progress so far in terms of using this abstract
30:50
Speaker 2: abstraction in numbers. Numbers don't matter to a duck. She
30:53
Speaker 2: got up in the morning. We've only got four chicks
30:56
Speaker 2: this morning for ducklands this morning. I had six yesterday. No,
30:59
Speaker 2: she'll just carry on because that's our program. Something came
31:03
Speaker 2: in us and altered the program. I'm convinced this doesn't
31:07
Speaker 2: make any sense other way. And of course, now we're
31:09
Speaker 2: getting all these archaeological discoveries. Lie that has shown that
31:13
Speaker 2: there was civilizations that we're here before is blowing science
31:16
Speaker 2: apart guys like this Zahawi or something like the Egyptologist.
31:22
Speaker 2: He's trapped in the paradigm of science, and this is
31:25
Speaker 2: where we are. It's the same paradigm that they're trapped in,
31:28
Speaker 2: looking back at history, creating a narrative, feeding it to us,
31:31
Speaker 2: and then evidence comes out that that contradicts that narrative,
31:35
Speaker 2: and they double down. This is where we are with politics.
31:38
Speaker 2: This is where we are with science. So back to
31:41
Speaker 2: artificial intelligence. The second point I want to make about
31:43
Speaker 2: that is there's going to come a point where it
31:45
Speaker 2: can't do anymore. It's already failing in some tests up
31:49
Speaker 2: to ninety percent failure rate, trying to replicate even basic
31:52
Speaker 2: office jobs. Here we are again, Remember the millennial bug eh,
31:57
Speaker 2: Remember the dot com revolution? Remember the smartphone revolution? Here
32:02
Speaker 2: we are again, AI revolution.
32:04
Speaker 1: Ah.
32:04
Speaker 2: These big companies, Yeah, sucking up our investments. What's that sound?
32:09
Speaker 2: I here, that's money being sucked out your pockets for
32:11
Speaker 2: the next big investment that's going to flop. However, the
32:14
Speaker 2: point is people are relying on it too much, and
32:17
Speaker 2: politicians now and are making judgments using pure AI. As
32:23
Speaker 2: I said, I've got artificial flowers on the windowsill and
32:25
Speaker 2: they're reel and not real at the same time. So
32:28
Speaker 2: my issue here is it's invading and it's becoming permeable
32:32
Speaker 2: in everything that we do. You just literally cannot make
32:35
Speaker 2: a phone call and get in touch with a council,
32:38
Speaker 2: even small companies. Now I've got my own AI hi
32:41
Speaker 2: top to us. We can solve your problems. Can they fuck?
32:44
Speaker 2: All they do is just mess around with your head
32:46
Speaker 2: all the time in order to get to keep your attention,
32:48
Speaker 2: because attention means electricity. Electricity being used means being able
32:54
Speaker 2: to mine it and create bitcoin. That's a good one,
32:56
Speaker 2: isn't it. So the more electricity, the more bitcoin you have,
32:59
Speaker 2: the more electricity you need. That's why our cars are electric.
33:03
Speaker 2: Cars got taken away using too much electricity. Any idea
33:07
Speaker 2: how much it takes for just one picture on AI,
33:10
Speaker 2: just one one snapshop, as much as it takes to
33:13
Speaker 2: charge your whole phone, how much power? How many billions
33:15
Speaker 2: are they have been made today? So this is why
33:17
Speaker 2: you see the new mood is like preparing for artificial
33:22
Speaker 2: intelligence because it draws a lot of energy, a lot
33:24
Speaker 2: of electricity, and so in order to do that, we
33:28
Speaker 2: can't afford the electricity prices that's why in here in
33:30
Speaker 2: this country, in the UK, it costs so much because
33:33
Speaker 2: they need they need the money for the investment. They
33:36
Speaker 2: need to use the electricity they do to run the banks,
33:39
Speaker 2: to run their social services, to run the councils and
33:41
Speaker 2: so on. And it's sucking more and more electricity out
33:44
Speaker 2: of us. So in order to stop us using as much,
33:46
Speaker 2: they put the tariff up so we don't buy as much,
33:49
Speaker 2: we turn the heating down, we don't have the extra
33:51
Speaker 2: cup of tea with five minutes of the showers to
33:54
Speaker 2: the twenty whatever. Whatever. It's all to save electricity. Why,
33:57
Speaker 2: because AI needs it to run. Computers need it to run. Now,
34:01
Speaker 2: that's all fine if you want that life. I don't.
34:04
Speaker 2: I really don't. So I'm one of these people who
34:07
Speaker 2: looks around and yes, I use it and I understand it,
34:10
Speaker 2: but I'm not letting it dominate my life, Chris, Not
34:12
Speaker 2: like I say, the younger generation and mark my words,
34:15
Speaker 2: AI is becoming so pervasive. It's now around about eighty
34:19
Speaker 2: twenty row. If anybody has ever studied Parito the Perito analysis,
34:23
Speaker 2: eighty percent the traffic now roughly on the Internet it's bots,
34:27
Speaker 2: and you've got bots talking to bots. So all this
34:29
Speaker 2: AI generated images, paintings, music, students doing their s seys
34:34
Speaker 2: and all that. Fine, it's all going to go away,
34:37
Speaker 2: purely and simply because it's going to come to a
34:39
Speaker 2: point where people are going to turn around and say,
34:41
Speaker 2: especially younger generation, it's not cool to have a smartphone.
34:45
Speaker 2: And when that happens, womph, we're free because the whole
34:48
Speaker 2: system will collapse because it's so dependent on people buying
34:51
Speaker 2: in and using it. Now I can't get money out
34:54
Speaker 2: of my bank because I don't have access to it.
34:57
Speaker 2: So I go on the internet to get access and
34:59
Speaker 2: I can't get it because I don't have the app.
35:02
Speaker 2: But I didn't ask to use an app. It was
35:04
Speaker 2: given to me, and I don't use it because I
35:06
Speaker 2: don't know how to use it. You know, I'm a technopo.
35:09
Speaker 2: But the point is, aside from me, you be able
35:11
Speaker 2: to use it or not. It's just taking somebody else's
35:14
Speaker 2: role in somebody else's job away. So now we have,
35:17
Speaker 2: if you like, artificial intelligence and these software programs tree
35:21
Speaker 2: guessing what we're going to do. And so we come
35:23
Speaker 2: back and remember what we said last time about the
35:25
Speaker 2: pandemic with all the banging, the pots and the pans,
35:28
Speaker 2: social programming in groups and out groups. If you're not
35:30
Speaker 2: doing it, you're in there, you're you're in the out group,
35:32
Speaker 2: and all you know with us. So if you know
35:35
Speaker 2: all of that and you understand all that, it's easy
35:38
Speaker 2: to hurt people into silos into if you like Internet silos,
35:41
Speaker 2: So you got all these different ones. Some people like
35:44
Speaker 2: x some people like Reddit, some people like Facebook, Da
35:47
Speaker 2: da da dada. Well, fair enough, when you get to
35:50
Speaker 2: a point, as I said, the paradox, you spend so
35:53
Speaker 2: much time on that you're losing out on the on
35:55
Speaker 2: your real life, and therefore you end up in a
35:58
Speaker 2: science controlled Hegelian dialectic community. And there we are. That's
36:03
Speaker 2: what politics is all about. We change vote, we change
36:06
Speaker 2: parties because it makes us feel good, but we don't
36:09
Speaker 2: to change direction. The direction is constant. You can go
36:11
Speaker 2: back in history and you see it a line all
36:13
Speaker 2: the way through. It's constant, and it all revolves about
36:16
Speaker 2: what you started with, is preparing us to be slaves
36:19
Speaker 2: now slaves in the fact, I don't know they talk
36:22
Speaker 2: about years ago it was to dig gold for some
36:24
Speaker 2: race off planet race or something like that. Well, okay,
36:27
Speaker 2: so yeah, gold is valuable. Why is gold wyble? Maybe
36:30
Speaker 2: it's got something to do with that, But the point
36:32
Speaker 2: is it becomes a commodity and those that own it,
36:34
Speaker 2: just like us in the forest with the apples. Yeah,
36:37
Speaker 2: we have got the commodity, so we can use it
36:40
Speaker 2: in order to create a better world for us. But
36:43
Speaker 2: that always comes at the expense of other people. So yeah,
36:46
Speaker 2: we're now in a situation we are dividing. And what
36:49
Speaker 2: if you've read Alder Huxley Brave New World. In fact,
36:53
Speaker 2: if you've seen the Hunger Game films, that's basically what
36:56
Speaker 2: it is. We're heading for a society where people are
36:58
Speaker 2: going to be living their electronics cities with all the
37:00
Speaker 2: gizmos and gadgets and drones and flying cars and all
37:04
Speaker 2: the rest of it. And they'll be living in there
37:06
Speaker 2: using all this technology and AI and having personal AI.
37:09
Speaker 2: Are sitting and get their ass wiped by a robot
37:11
Speaker 2: in the morning. Yeah, where the rest of us are
37:13
Speaker 2: going to be out there enjoying life, really enjoying life,
37:16
Speaker 2: enjoying community, doing the kind of things that you do, running, swimming,
37:20
Speaker 2: being out doing sport, enjoying ourself and guess what, you
37:23
Speaker 2: don't need that little smartphone for it, and so therefore
37:27
Speaker 2: we're moving into a world where it's dividing into two
37:29
Speaker 2: of those that are using the technology and those that
37:31
Speaker 2: are victims, and those that are victims far outweigh those
37:34
Speaker 2: that are using the technology and the ones that are
37:36
Speaker 2: using it are terrified of us because if we switched off,
37:39
Speaker 2: they've got nothing, They've got no resources coming in. So
37:42
Speaker 2: this whole push for personalized in AI is going to
37:45
Speaker 2: be a bubble. It's going to burst, and we're going
37:48
Speaker 2: to end up with two different types of society. One
37:50
Speaker 2: that lives in an electronic world where it's all controlled,
37:53
Speaker 2: and us the rest of us living in the real
37:55
Speaker 2: world where real people doing real things. Stick to your
37:58
Speaker 2: electronic matrix, have my biological matrix. That's what I want.
38:03
Speaker 1: Interesting, isn't it? If that would that ever happen, Would
38:06
Speaker 1: people shun you know, would they want to be controllers?
38:11
Speaker 1: Would they let the system split? Would people be then
38:14
Speaker 1: in one system and going do you know what? This
38:16
Speaker 1: is a bit crap? I wish I was back in
38:18
Speaker 1: that one again.
38:19
Speaker 2: They've got no choice. Chris I mentioned earlier that if
38:21
Speaker 2: we go out in space and we look at what's
38:23
Speaker 2: happening in there. Very few people realize that our sun
38:26
Speaker 2: revolves around the central Sun, which rolls around the galactic sun.
38:30
Speaker 2: So we've got a moon goes around us, we go
38:32
Speaker 2: around the Sun. The Sun goes round another sun. Let's
38:34
Speaker 2: just stop there. So it takes twenty six thousand years
38:37
Speaker 2: for the Sun to do one orbit, our Sun to
38:39
Speaker 2: do one orbit. Meanwhile, we're doing our orbits, aren't we.
38:43
Speaker 2: So if you think of it, there's a line in
38:46
Speaker 2: the galactic plane. One side is light photons, high energy,
38:50
Speaker 2: the other one is low energy. It's like going from
38:53
Speaker 2: sunlight into shadow. We've been in shadow for thirteen thousand years.
38:57
Speaker 2: We're now moving into the light, the dawning off, the
38:59
Speaker 2: age of a and all the rest of the stuff,
39:01
Speaker 2: all the hippies and all that they were tuning in
39:02
Speaker 2: and something. So you move around and you're coming into
39:05
Speaker 2: the light. That means that the photons that are coming in.
39:08
Speaker 2: Now we did say we were made of molecules, Oh,
39:10
Speaker 2: that's right, of course, yeah, and these molecules they have
39:14
Speaker 2: made up DNA, and the DNA response to this light.
39:17
Speaker 2: So the photons are affecting their DNA. So what we're
39:19
Speaker 2: having is a lift. Now some people will call it
39:22
Speaker 2: an ascension. Oh man, all these crazies out there, I
39:26
Speaker 2: am one of these people. You know, I'm talking to
39:29
Speaker 2: the Ashtar civilization of the Galactic Federation. I'll go fuck off.
39:33
Speaker 2: You know. You don't going to expose when the real
39:35
Speaker 2: aliens turn up. But the point is something in that
39:38
Speaker 2: is true, something in it is very true. Because as
39:41
Speaker 2: we move away from the darkness and into this new photon,
39:45
Speaker 2: the light, we become more receptive. And because we become
39:49
Speaker 2: more receptive, our vibration peaks a little bit more. We
39:52
Speaker 2: become more elevated, and so therefore the things that were
39:56
Speaker 2: in the past become clearer, and we're starting to see
39:59
Speaker 2: the dark for what it is. So now what you've
40:00
Speaker 2: got is a fight. I don't like good against evil.
40:04
Speaker 2: I'll just say light against dark. And what we're saying
40:07
Speaker 2: is that the dark has realized that the game is
40:09
Speaker 2: up and it's now in its last throws. And of
40:12
Speaker 2: course a cornered animal is dangerous. And I'm sitting watching
40:15
Speaker 2: and waiting, terrified that there's going to be a huge
40:19
Speaker 2: false flag somewhere in order to try and reset anything.
40:22
Speaker 2: But you can't put the tooth that, you can't put
40:24
Speaker 2: the tooth back in the tube. You can't put the
40:26
Speaker 2: toothpaste back in the tube. It's over. There are far
40:29
Speaker 2: too many people. You and I are sitting down on
40:31
Speaker 2: this conversation that five years ago. If you have started
40:34
Speaker 2: on me or I started on you, this guy's off
40:36
Speaker 2: his head, not now, not now, what I resonate with
40:40
Speaker 2: so many people. Okay, I'm lucky because I can use
40:43
Speaker 2: the language. You know, I'm a trained psychologist. I know
40:45
Speaker 2: how to use language and know how to talk to people.
40:47
Speaker 2: I can pick up where they're coming from and go
40:49
Speaker 2: on their level. Whether someone wants to talk about logic
40:52
Speaker 2: and scign, so, somebody wants to talk about love and poetry,
40:55
Speaker 2: oh anywhere, I'll go along. Yeah, because it's communication, and
40:59
Speaker 2: that's that's my expert tease. The problem is having that knowledge,
41:03
Speaker 2: you start to see it being reflected back at you.
41:06
Speaker 2: And so I can look at something and within two
41:08
Speaker 2: or three minutes and listen to a podcast or a blog,
41:11
Speaker 2: I know where they're coming from. I know where the
41:12
Speaker 2: conclusion is going to go. A because it's all about
41:17
Speaker 2: like what we're doing. Yeah, it's all about hits. It's
41:19
Speaker 2: all about hits. Hits each equals revenue. And so on
41:22
Speaker 2: and so on and so on. But Chris, take a
41:25
Speaker 2: compliment with my friend. You're different, You've gone beyond. It's
41:27
Speaker 2: never about money. You get me. That's why I said,
41:31
Speaker 2: and what we wanted to talk about. What I'd like
41:32
Speaker 2: to talk about is talk about your journey. You said
41:35
Speaker 2: to me last time you made this journey, and you
41:39
Speaker 2: know one person listened to you. Fuck it, drop all
41:42
Speaker 2: the all line every now and again to people like me.
41:45
Speaker 2: Talk about what it was like. Explain it, because as
41:49
Speaker 2: you shine your light, as we are coming out of
41:51
Speaker 2: the darkness, it needs people like you to stand up
41:54
Speaker 2: and say here I am listen. I might not be right,
41:58
Speaker 2: but I can point in the right direction. I don't
42:00
Speaker 2: know which peak to go to, but I can show
42:02
Speaker 2: you the mountain range that way. And this is what
42:05
Speaker 2: I see in you, and I see it so much
42:07
Speaker 2: more and so many more people who would start to
42:10
Speaker 2: give up on the technical life, if you like the
42:14
Speaker 2: corporate life. They're earning a salary pandemic did for a
42:18
Speaker 2: lot of people. They realize, wait a fucking minute, what
42:20
Speaker 2: am I doing? What am I doing? And of course
42:22
Speaker 2: we got all the fallout from that, but that's a
42:25
Speaker 2: great opening more people have become aware of it. The
42:28
Speaker 2: intention was to lock us down the dark, lock us down,
42:31
Speaker 2: keep us trapped, keep us in the paradigm, and of
42:35
Speaker 2: course it's got the completely opposite effect. People saw it
42:38
Speaker 2: for what it is. All they needed was a trigger.
42:41
Speaker 2: All they needed was someone like yourself or or David
42:44
Speaker 2: Iyke or whatever, or these the crazy people, whether right
42:46
Speaker 2: or wrong, just to mention, it is okay to think
42:50
Speaker 2: outside the paradigm. It's okay to think about an alternative.
42:54
Speaker 2: It's okay to think outside Christianity. It's okay to say,
42:58
Speaker 2: think outside religion because what has it brought us? War, pestilence, disease, poverty,
43:05
Speaker 2: and yeah, at the same time, we're still we're still evolving.
43:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, we was blind back then as a as a
43:12
Speaker 1: as a you know, a common analogy, as a generalization,
43:15
Speaker 1: because immediately from David Ike, we should have been able
43:18
Speaker 1: to see, this is a guy who's coming from a
43:21
Speaker 1: place of love. Is that fucking simple, doesn't matter what
43:23
Speaker 1: he's saying, He's coming from a place of love. And
43:27
Speaker 1: the people that are laughing at him through their you know,
43:30
Speaker 1: the the mouthpiece of the BBC, I the cabal, are
43:35
Speaker 1: trying to shut this guy down and trying to trying
43:38
Speaker 1: to publicly humiliate him, and that I would like to
43:43
Speaker 1: think tim that more people are aware of this. But
43:46
Speaker 1: then I'm also I'm also just going to flag an
43:50
Speaker 1: image up on the screen to show.
43:52
Speaker 2: People while you're doing that. I feel guilty in a
43:55
Speaker 2: little way as I'm responsible for some of David's David
43:58
Speaker 2: Ike's journrey years and years and years ago, when I
44:01
Speaker 2: was in the Green Party, I was running a company
44:03
Speaker 2: called eco Trade, their trading arm, and David Ike was
44:06
Speaker 2: wanting to join the green movement, and I got talking
44:09
Speaker 2: to him and he came to see me, and I
44:12
Speaker 2: was very surprised because even all I knew was as
44:15
Speaker 2: sports presenter and a goalkeeper, very surprised that he's openness.
44:20
Speaker 2: So we're sitting on the conversation in my house because
44:22
Speaker 2: he stayed with me for a couple of days and
44:23
Speaker 2: he was doing radio interviews in Theast Midlands. We were talking,
44:27
Speaker 2: I just brought a book down my shelf and said,
44:28
Speaker 2: go away and read that, my friend. That will give
44:30
Speaker 2: you all the answers I'm actually in his book because
44:33
Speaker 2: he remembers that. So in the beginning of his journey,
44:36
Speaker 2: when he was deeply seeking questions. Something happened to him again,
44:39
Speaker 2: you know, that moment, that epiphany, that light, that reframe,
44:43
Speaker 2: and of course he's looking for answers. Now, was I
44:46
Speaker 2: instrumental in that? Was that meant to happen? Like? Was
44:49
Speaker 2: it like at the schoolhouse? Was I meant to be
44:51
Speaker 2: there to experience that? You know? And then a few
44:54
Speaker 2: years later I see him in the track suit on
44:57
Speaker 2: Wogan being ripped to shreds and oh no, no, no, yeah,
45:03
Speaker 2: but I understand his enthusiasm, understand his exuberance. You realize something,
45:08
Speaker 2: you know, you have an epiphany, whoa, I'm going to
45:11
Speaker 2: tell the world. And then of course the world doesn't
45:13
Speaker 2: want to listen. And though it is on the dark
45:15
Speaker 2: side with the vested interests, want to shut you down
45:17
Speaker 2: because they don't want you knowing that it's an alternative way.
45:20
Speaker 2: And of course this is where we are as we're
45:22
Speaker 2: talking about, we're at the cusp. We are moving through
45:25
Speaker 2: space into a different photon belt. And this is what
45:29
Speaker 2: people are talking about when they talk about the alignment.
45:33
Speaker 2: If you like the new humanity that's coming, peace, love
45:37
Speaker 2: and harmony. No, we're still fucking warlike, we're still going
45:42
Speaker 2: to kill each other. But at least it'll be better
45:44
Speaker 2: than it was before if we can get all these
45:46
Speaker 2: evil people out of our government and get real, honest,
45:49
Speaker 2: genuine people in there, people who care, you know, people
45:53
Speaker 2: who've been brought up to respect each other, to respect community,
45:57
Speaker 2: not to exploit, not to rip off, not to dominate,
46:00
Speaker 2: not to use power for their own ends. And so
46:02
Speaker 2: if you can understand moving from the dark into the light,
46:05
Speaker 2: you start to see it. It's actually physically happening over
46:09
Speaker 2: our position in space, and it's physically happening to us,
46:11
Speaker 2: although we can't see it in the terms of the
46:13
Speaker 2: photon increasing our vibration. So inevitably, it's got to come
46:18
Speaker 2: to a point where we are working on this side
46:21
Speaker 2: and trying to help people become the majority, become the
46:24
Speaker 2: dominant way, and all these people will fade away through generations.
46:29
Speaker 2: We'll still have them, but they'll fade away. We'll have
46:31
Speaker 2: no power, and the world will become a better place. Unfortunately,
46:36
Speaker 2: as I'm sitting here with this magic dream, I'm absolutely
46:39
Speaker 2: terrified that someone's going to drop a knook somewhere to
46:42
Speaker 2: screw it all up, because these people are starting to
46:44
Speaker 2: get desperate it's not just their money and their wealth,
46:47
Speaker 2: it's their secret life.
46:48
Speaker 1: I don't think they exists, right, Yeah, I'm not trying
46:52
Speaker 1: to be you know, Charlie conspiracy fairst here. When you
46:57
Speaker 1: look back at that film, was it called Threads. It
47:01
Speaker 1: came around in the seventies and we all had to
47:04
Speaker 1: watch it as kids, and it was it was set
47:06
Speaker 1: in some kind of simplistic northern you know, mining town
47:11
Speaker 1: scenario for example, and it were like, oh, Madge, you know,
47:16
Speaker 1: they've got the three minute warning and we've all got
47:19
Speaker 1: to get under the table and to protect ourselves from
47:23
Speaker 1: from fallout. And I watched that the other day, and
47:26
Speaker 1: fuck me when you've been through the AIDS HIV bullshit programming,
47:31
Speaker 1: because that's a whole nother God be careful what's say it,
47:34
Speaker 1: But you know that's a whole other operation. Again, then
47:38
Speaker 1: you just see the same gas lighting, the same indoctrination techniques.
47:45
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm not trying to be a dickhead, Tam.
47:48
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, can we actually get something into a
47:52
Speaker 1: warhead that triggers such a train reaction that it causes
47:57
Speaker 1: this massive catastrophe or are we all being a little
48:01
Speaker 1: bit gas lit, because those big rockets that you see
48:04
Speaker 1: being trundled out for Russian military ceremonies or Chinese parades,
48:12
Speaker 1: they look fucking inflatable, right. And I've been Can I
48:17
Speaker 1: just say I've been to Hiroshima, Hiroshima, I've been there.
48:22
Speaker 1: It's it's it's the same thing when you go to Auschwitz.
48:25
Speaker 1: You know that you do get a bit taken in
48:28
Speaker 1: and I use that word appropriately, a bit taken in
48:32
Speaker 1: by it, by it all. And it's not until you
48:35
Speaker 1: can step back and listen to other voices that you
48:39
Speaker 1: start to think, hang on a sec Some of these
48:42
Speaker 1: narratives that we've always been sold were like that, and
48:45
Speaker 1: they were like our bread and butter of life. We
48:48
Speaker 1: spout these narratives with you know, the word Nazi has
48:52
Speaker 1: just become I said it the other day, and I
48:54
Speaker 1: always promised I'd never say it again, because they never
48:57
Speaker 1: were called Nazi. They were in the National Socialist which
49:00
Speaker 1: is something to be proud of. That's what we want.
49:03
Speaker 1: That's what all these quote unquote gammons that are following
49:07
Speaker 1: Tommy Robinson and and you know, marching in London, that's
49:12
Speaker 1: what they they want, National Socialism. They might not know
49:15
Speaker 1: that's what it's called. But they want you know, there's
49:18
Speaker 1: a hole in the street outside, you don't just wait
49:21
Speaker 1: for the council to come and fix it. You and
49:23
Speaker 1: your neighbors. You pick up a spade and you go
49:25
Speaker 1: and fucking fix it, you know, get off your fat
49:28
Speaker 1: house and fix it first, right. So when you when
49:32
Speaker 1: you see the gas lighting that's been on and it's
49:35
Speaker 1: all by the same cabal, the merchants, then you think,
49:39
Speaker 1: hang on, they've got us on one here, mate with this.
49:42
Speaker 1: And I'm not I wouldn't put me life on this,
49:45
Speaker 1: tim I'm not saying definitely nukes don't exist. My job
49:50
Speaker 1: used to be to protect them. I work high security,
49:55
Speaker 1: you know, I was in a high security detachment.
49:57
Speaker 2: But I used to sit and watch these MIDI parades
50:01
Speaker 2: in Moscow as a young kid, same thing as you,
50:03
Speaker 2: you know, hiding under your desk at school when the
50:05
Speaker 2: bell goes in cases of nuclear And my question to
50:08
Speaker 2: my dad was, hey, dad, you know, if they're all
50:11
Speaker 2: full of nuclear weapons, why doesn't someone just drop a
50:14
Speaker 2: nuclear weapon on top of them and you'll get ten
50:17
Speaker 2: times the explosion. And my dad just looked at me
50:19
Speaker 2: and smiled. He could tell I was starting to think, Yeah,
50:22
Speaker 2: and from what eleven twelve years old, I'd already sussed it. Yeah,
50:27
Speaker 2: we yes, there is nuclear weapons out there, but remember
50:32
Speaker 2: they told us about ten thousand years in Chernobyl and
50:35
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. There's counter evidence that it
50:39
Speaker 2: made that. See Nagasaki, h Russiama were built of wood,
50:43
Speaker 2: and it may be that they were firebomb it may be.
50:47
Speaker 2: There's just so much shit out there you don't know
50:49
Speaker 2: what to believe. But you know, when somebody does a
50:51
Speaker 2: bit of revision as history, I always look at it
50:54
Speaker 2: because somebody spent time and effort, And the first thing
50:56
Speaker 2: I want to do, are you crazy? Or have you
50:58
Speaker 2: got a legitimate message? Always pick up something. And again,
51:01
Speaker 2: this is why I learned so much stuff is because
51:03
Speaker 2: I'm willing to explore. I'm willing to listen to people.
51:06
Speaker 2: But like I said, two or three minutes listening to
51:08
Speaker 2: a politician, I can't do it anymore. I'm just hearing
51:12
Speaker 2: the same words. Yeah. It's like, you know, look at politicians.
51:17
Speaker 2: This is a politician, it's a hand. Yeah, this is
51:19
Speaker 2: the real thing behind it, and you just slip on
51:21
Speaker 2: puppet George Bush, George W. Boosh, Clinton, Obama, Yeah, I'm
51:26
Speaker 2: not too sure about the Orange Man bad, but he
51:29
Speaker 2: seems to be okay. But there again, this could be
51:31
Speaker 2: all complete false flag. It could be the ultimate you know,
51:34
Speaker 2: they want us about the Antichrist.
51:36
Speaker 1: He's perfectly okay. If you're in Israeli's psychopaths, he's exactly
51:42
Speaker 1: the man that you want doing the job.
51:46
Speaker 2: All these races are not psychopaths, and not all psychopaths
51:49
Speaker 2: as the Ralies. Yeah, you have to look at the beliefs.
51:53
Speaker 2: You know, these people genuinely believe that in what they're doing.
51:56
Speaker 1: Can I just say that that was a reference to
51:58
Speaker 1: netting Yard, who folks I was slagging off. Every single
52:01
Speaker 1: is right?
52:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I remember standing on a train and this
52:04
Speaker 2: is relevant. I remember standing on a train in Potsdam
52:07
Speaker 2: in East Germany, on on train guard and watching these
52:11
Speaker 2: German soldiers on the line guarding the train and they
52:14
Speaker 2: were standing on the line so we couldn't get off
52:15
Speaker 2: and all that, and I'll looking in the eyes of
52:17
Speaker 2: one guy about ten feet away from me, and it
52:19
Speaker 2: just occurred to me, He's just like me. He's got
52:21
Speaker 2: a town who lives in ability, lives in a street,
52:24
Speaker 2: probably went to school, he's got brothers, sisters, mother, fathers,
52:27
Speaker 2: and just normal everyday people. What the fuck's he doing there? Yeah,
52:30
Speaker 2: the same as me. I've signed up, I've been enlisted.
52:32
Speaker 2: But the point is I realized then that the world
52:35
Speaker 2: was full of billions of people that just getting on
52:37
Speaker 2: my life. And it's these politicians and these elites and
52:40
Speaker 2: again circumstances all to faces back to hunter gathering. People
52:45
Speaker 2: can't stop Wedn's enough enough? Is it a one hundred
52:48
Speaker 2: thousand pounds two hundred thousand, five hundred a million, ten million? Say?
52:52
Speaker 2: It gets to a point where the money doesn't matter anymore.
52:55
Speaker 2: So what else is going on here? We come to
52:58
Speaker 2: the other side of the equation, pure power domination, And
53:02
Speaker 2: again you start looking at all the literature you know
53:05
Speaker 2: that's been written about socipaths and psychopaths and all that.
53:09
Speaker 2: That's where they get their information from watching people's behavior
53:12
Speaker 2: like that, listening to the stuff that they're saying, and
53:15
Speaker 2: being able to match their actions to their words. And
53:18
Speaker 2: so we've reached this point and said, like versus Dark,
53:20
Speaker 2: that people have stopped listening to the deep dark message.
53:24
Speaker 2: They're suspicious, and you talk about a false flag, possible
53:29
Speaker 2: nuclear one. I'm terrified at happening. But I honestly believe
53:32
Speaker 2: in sign myself it won't happen for two reasons. One
53:34
Speaker 2: is you've highlighted that I don't think that they are
53:37
Speaker 2: around to the degree that they are, And certainly there's
53:40
Speaker 2: not this ten thousand years of waste that's going to
53:42
Speaker 2: come after it. You know, people in Nagasaki, Hiroshia where
53:46
Speaker 2: they got the drums. What about Christmas Island and the
53:48
Speaker 2: Marianas and all that they've got bombs dropped on them,
53:50
Speaker 2: Marshall Islands. Yeah, they're in habible. So yeah, it's all bullshit.
53:55
Speaker 1: And Chernobyl those people that never moved out, they said, no,
53:59
Speaker 1: we live here, We're not going.
54:01
Speaker 2: I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting on the three headed
54:03
Speaker 2: cows and the four letter the four legged chickens. I'm
54:05
Speaker 2: still wearing and all that. You know. No, yeah, but
54:09
Speaker 2: again it goes to childhood. Now I'm in my sixties.
54:12
Speaker 2: I remember getting under the desk at school. As you said,
54:15
Speaker 2: it was bizarre here as a child, and I'm questioning it,
54:17
Speaker 2: excuse me, mentioning what are we doing this work? Shut
54:20
Speaker 2: up and do it? And so you ever got shut
54:22
Speaker 2: up and do it. So yeah, it's funny. I ended
54:25
Speaker 2: up in the army and it My point is, Chris,
54:27
Speaker 2: you know propaganda is so pervasive that now you don't
54:32
Speaker 2: know what to believe, even on the Internet, and of
54:35
Speaker 2: course the dead Internet theory. Now you know eighty percent
54:37
Speaker 2: of traffic is bots. You don't know what to believe.
54:40
Speaker 2: And I'm you know, no disrespect my friend, but you're
54:43
Speaker 2: going down a route that's absolutely perfect for me because
54:46
Speaker 2: you're creating content that helps other people's lives. I don't
54:51
Speaker 2: want to sit and watch a video is somebody falling
54:53
Speaker 2: off a building or or some beare getting whacked in
54:56
Speaker 2: the nuts by a piece of wire. It's all trivia.
54:59
Speaker 2: I'm not learning anything from it. But when I talk
55:02
Speaker 2: to people like you, and I listen to people like you,
55:04
Speaker 2: I feel, yes, that's a benefit. Whether the rest of
55:08
Speaker 2: it is just background noise. And unfortunately the background noise
55:12
Speaker 2: is so loud. Now you need a targeted microphone zooming
55:16
Speaker 2: and what you want to listen to. And again it's
55:18
Speaker 2: AI algorithms. Here's an experiment for your viewers. It's very good.
55:24
Speaker 2: One go on to YouTube and then just go on
55:28
Speaker 2: type something ridiculous in and do it. Have a look
55:32
Speaker 2: at a couple of these videos, and I guarantee you
55:35
Speaker 2: within hours and then the following days you'll got lots
55:38
Speaker 2: of suggestions coming up on your feed because AI is
55:41
Speaker 2: now working out how we live. If we're going to
55:44
Speaker 2: the supermarkets now as thea for Heaven's say, walk in there.
55:47
Speaker 2: That's your picture taken. Oh, by the way, they tell you,
55:49
Speaker 2: but that's that's after you've had it taken. This camera.
55:52
Speaker 2: This store operates facial recognition cameras. We're now we're in
55:55
Speaker 2: a situation where oh right, we've got your face and
55:58
Speaker 2: we know you're doctor Thornbroough, we know what your salary is,
56:00
Speaker 2: we know what you buy. Okay, so when you get
56:03
Speaker 2: to the till you've got all this, I might be
56:05
Speaker 2: paying ten percent more than the guy next to me
56:07
Speaker 2: because he's on the doll Yeah, he's on social credit
56:10
Speaker 2: and I'm a rich person, so I'm paying more exactly
56:13
Speaker 2: the same goods. This is what technology is doing. It's
56:16
Speaker 2: getting to a point where people are just going to
56:18
Speaker 2: switch off. It really really and I see it everywhere
56:21
Speaker 2: around about me. Is destroying the central fabric of what
56:25
Speaker 2: it means to be a human being, at least as
56:28
Speaker 2: I understand it. And again I'm optimistic because I see
56:32
Speaker 2: with my own eyes and I feel this vibration that's coming.
56:35
Speaker 2: You know, people are feeling that they're feeling all out
56:37
Speaker 2: of sorts. The way the past is not the same anymore.
56:40
Speaker 2: There's something different about it, and many people just can't
56:43
Speaker 2: figure it out. Yeah, but it will happen. Give it time.
56:47
Speaker 2: So again, my light warrior, carry on, do what you're doing.
56:51
Speaker 2: Help people to wake up. Your wonderful platform to do it, Chris,
56:55
Speaker 2: please use it to the best your ability. It's beyond now.
56:58
Speaker 2: Then I bought the tear shirt. It's now about helping
57:02
Speaker 2: people to make that change, to reframe their life to say, hey,
57:07
Speaker 2: it's not all about material. The more material become, the
57:10
Speaker 2: less spiritual I become. The more material become, the less
57:14
Speaker 2: social I become. Until we end up with these kids.
57:17
Speaker 2: They can't even talk to each other, they won't make
57:18
Speaker 2: a phone call. I was blown away five years ago
57:21
Speaker 2: by this Australian psychologist. She was making a fortune teaching
57:25
Speaker 2: ten to twelve year olds to use a fucking phone
57:28
Speaker 2: to phone their mothers. They couldn't do it. And this
57:31
Speaker 2: is where we are with this younger generation. It's all
57:35
Speaker 2: attention SPAN's gone to fuck Why because it's addictive and
57:38
Speaker 2: the people that built it knew it was addictive. Now
57:41
Speaker 2: imagine people that built it none it was addictive, didn't
57:43
Speaker 2: do that, they wouldn't be in business. So again they
57:47
Speaker 2: come back to this equation and to gather us greed
57:51
Speaker 2: more more, more, more more, And unfortunately we have to
57:55
Speaker 2: grow out of that. We have to have some new
57:57
Speaker 2: moral lessons. We have to be shown a different way.
57:59
Speaker 2: And this generation's fucked. The young one, the gen X
58:03
Speaker 2: as fuck, I would say, even gen wise fuck. But
58:06
Speaker 2: gen Z. I think they're going to be the ones
58:08
Speaker 2: that are going to be the new population of this earth,
58:12
Speaker 2: and their value is gonna be so different because these
58:14
Speaker 2: are the ones that are starting to get ready to
58:15
Speaker 2: ditch their heart the smartphones. These are the ones that
58:18
Speaker 2: I've looked around and seen, wait a minute, wait a minute,
58:21
Speaker 2: I've got no life. And of course we've all got
58:23
Speaker 2: all this split down into all the different silos. You're
58:26
Speaker 2: going to read it. You know, I say it's a community.
58:28
Speaker 2: You know, everybody's talking the same kind of stuff, and
58:32
Speaker 2: then you go over somewhere else and they're all talking
58:34
Speaker 2: something different, and there's very very little crossover because yeah,
58:38
Speaker 2: you're in this camp, in that camp, in groups and outgroups.
58:41
Speaker 2: What it needs is all of this to be taken
58:43
Speaker 2: down and not taken down as and you can't use
58:46
Speaker 2: it anymore, but a lot of it scrapped and just
58:49
Speaker 2: leave us what we were. I know it was harsh,
58:52
Speaker 2: but the Chinese and they turned around and said no
58:55
Speaker 2: internet for kids between us at six o'clock and six
58:57
Speaker 2: o'clock or something like that. And then when they can go,
59:00
Speaker 2: it's only website they can go on an educational you're
59:03
Speaker 2: realizing ten fifteen years, these kids are gonna be so
59:05
Speaker 2: far We've already seen it so far ahead of us
59:08
Speaker 2: because they spend their time learning, not spending their time tiktoking,
59:13
Speaker 2: trivia entertainment past the day, let it go past. Yeah,
59:18
Speaker 2: your whole wife concentrated on a four by two or
59:21
Speaker 2: three by four screen. I said your life morning down
59:25
Speaker 2: the street, ucking brih. I'm sorry, you know, hey, it's brilliant,
59:31
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to say.
59:33
Speaker 1: Man, oh you've got to say. All you got to
59:36
Speaker 1: say is when God bloody swaps the Bamex, the bamex
59:43
Speaker 1: crize for TikTok, you fucking know, something's wrong with the
59:49
Speaker 1: destination where it's that simple. Sorry, I use I shouldn't
59:53
Speaker 1: use the word god. But you you know, when when
59:55
Speaker 1: kids are being sold on TikTok instead of getting out
59:58
Speaker 1: and building dens, you know something's not you know, you know.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: I've got this from my grandsons. The fight. Yeah, they
1:00:07
Speaker 2: can't wait to get home so that they can get
1:00:09
Speaker 2: their xbox and their games out. They can't wait. But
1:00:12
Speaker 2: when I've got them out, I'm sorry. I teach them
1:00:15
Speaker 2: the bill shelters, bill fires and not. They're not burned
1:00:17
Speaker 2: anything down yet, We're all right, Well, I'm teach them
1:00:19
Speaker 2: the bull shellters and little survival tricks and all that
1:00:22
Speaker 2: fascinates them. Oh, Grandad's coming, let's go. When he got
1:00:25
Speaker 2: the woods. Whereas two or three years ago, I couldn't
1:00:27
Speaker 2: get them out of the house until about built a fire,
1:00:30
Speaker 2: until they let them play with the fire, until one
1:00:32
Speaker 2: of them got his fingers burned. And they became very
1:00:34
Speaker 2: very real. And of course now they're asking me all
1:00:37
Speaker 2: kinds of questions about about nature, about that they starting
1:00:40
Speaker 2: to explore. One of them is starting to settle down
1:00:42
Speaker 2: and he's starting a birdwatch. Yeah, amazing, So every time
1:00:47
Speaker 2: I get my grandsons away from their electronic devices, they
1:00:52
Speaker 2: see a whole different world and they enjoy it. And again,
1:00:55
Speaker 2: you know, they're trapped in it. They got school, it's all.
1:00:58
Speaker 2: They'll be topped by a machine every time they go home.
1:01:02
Speaker 2: The social life, the friends, da da da da da
1:01:04
Speaker 2: da da. But when I say, when they put it aside,
1:01:07
Speaker 2: they're actually living. And that's that's for me, is the
1:01:09
Speaker 2: best part of it. I see that, And that's why
1:01:12
Speaker 2: I say, at some point in the future, kids are
1:01:14
Speaker 2: going to throw the smartphones away, well not throw them away,
1:01:16
Speaker 2: but they're just going to dump with social media and
1:01:19
Speaker 2: use them for what they should be communication like we're doing,
1:01:22
Speaker 2: you know, have a chat with your friends, maybe do
1:01:24
Speaker 2: a blog and stuff like that, but get away from
1:01:27
Speaker 2: the whole TikTok trash. Look at me, I need hits
1:01:30
Speaker 2: and my life got to be validated. And then nobody's
1:01:33
Speaker 2: validating me, so I go and talk myself. This gets
1:01:36
Speaker 2: to me. You know, kid's going killing themselves over a text.
1:01:40
Speaker 2: Ah man, that's you know, how can I how can
1:01:43
Speaker 2: how can a human being so get into such a
1:01:46
Speaker 2: mental vacuum that that's their.
1:01:48
Speaker 1: Out because it's so they're so you know, not so
1:01:52
Speaker 1: much talking about the kids. That's that's just they're so
1:01:55
Speaker 1: young and impressionable. But look at the deaths in the
1:02:00
Speaker 1: veterans community. No one has ever sat these lads down
1:02:03
Speaker 1: and explained listen, you've been in the military. You probably
1:02:06
Speaker 1: joined up because you're pretty damaged. You know, we all
1:02:09
Speaker 1: had shit childhoods. And what you're doing is as a result,
1:02:13
Speaker 1: you'll take You're taking every knock that life froze at
1:02:17
Speaker 1: you as a personal attack on yourself. And it's not.
1:02:20
Speaker 1: It's just fucking bullshit called life. There's nob eds out there,
1:02:23
Speaker 1: there's good people. You're going to get this. But until
1:02:26
Speaker 1: you make the connection with something bigger that you're divine,
1:02:30
Speaker 1: you ain't got time. I can't worry about every single
1:02:33
Speaker 1: you know, indiscretion that goes on in this life because
1:02:37
Speaker 1: I'm a manifestation of the divine. So if you're a
1:02:40
Speaker 1: manifestation of God, you'd have to worry about like every
1:02:43
Speaker 1: single thing that ever happens on the planet. You can't
1:02:46
Speaker 1: do that. It's just a waste of a day sat
1:02:49
Speaker 1: there going right. I gotta worry about the ozone right now.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: I gotta worry about the whales. Oh, I gotta worry
1:02:54
Speaker 1: about the bloody scandal on the BBC. Oh there, Jimmy
1:02:58
Speaker 1: Samiel Now then now then now they all right, bloody,
1:03:01
Speaker 1: you know it's mental, but this is this is what
1:03:05
Speaker 1: is happening. People's brains are absolutely overrun with thinking and
1:03:12
Speaker 1: thinking dross and until you can go till you shut
1:03:16
Speaker 1: them eyes and that peneal gang kicks in because it's photosensitive.
1:03:22
Speaker 1: You're you're not going to get it and you are
1:03:24
Speaker 1: going to struggle and we're going to keep losing blokes
1:03:26
Speaker 1: and and girls. But it's predominantly blokes that seem to
1:03:29
Speaker 1: commit suicide. And uh and why is that? Why is
1:03:33
Speaker 1: it not girls so much? Well, I would say because
1:03:36
Speaker 1: they're more in touch with the feminine energy.
1:03:40
Speaker 2: Nuture, you know, nurture.
1:03:43
Speaker 1: You know, blokes didn't get the love of the father.
1:03:46
Speaker 2: You know, that's just it's it's so simple. We stick
1:03:49
Speaker 2: it in bullet and you can walk away, and she's
1:03:52
Speaker 2: stuck with it for life. So nature and the nurturing part.
1:03:56
Speaker 2: That's why you find a lot more women in that
1:03:58
Speaker 2: kind of situation than you will because men, they've got
1:04:02
Speaker 2: nothing to live for. We we cannot fulfill ourselves in
1:04:07
Speaker 2: the same way that a woman can't because we cannot
1:04:09
Speaker 2: give birth. So therefore a woman should be sacred and always.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: She troubled me about the Arabs. I'm not talking about Muslims.
1:04:15
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the Arabs from thousands of years ago,
1:04:17
Speaker 2: the way they the way that they interact with their women.
1:04:21
Speaker 2: And yet for me, you know, there's no man born
1:04:24
Speaker 2: without a woman, so it must be women. I love
1:04:29
Speaker 2: this one. It must be a woman's fault for letting
1:04:31
Speaker 2: men dominate them the way that they do. Because at
1:04:34
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're born, Yeah, your mother
1:04:38
Speaker 2: has got control over you, and you don't. You know,
1:04:40
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't do it? Shall I say? You
1:04:44
Speaker 2: live a better life because your mother's given you guidance
1:04:46
Speaker 2: in such and such and that. So yeah, a mother's nature,
1:04:50
Speaker 2: a mother's nurture, is nature, and therefore they're more tuned
1:04:54
Speaker 2: into human needs like men men networking, women gossip. Yeah, sorry,
1:05:01
Speaker 2: men brag, women networking gossip. And so therefore, when you
1:05:04
Speaker 2: see the two divides like that, it's not surprising that
1:05:07
Speaker 2: more men are committing suicide because we've got less to
1:05:10
Speaker 2: attach us back to our basic essence to it, which
1:05:13
Speaker 2: is to procreate. You know, every species. Why it's there
1:05:16
Speaker 2: because it pro creates everything that we do and ultimately
1:05:19
Speaker 2: heads towards that procreation. All right, we can make a
1:05:22
Speaker 2: conscious choice, I'm going to be cellibate all my life
1:05:24
Speaker 2: or I'm going to shag everything that move. How fuck
1:05:26
Speaker 2: the hair and the barber's floor if you want. But
1:05:28
Speaker 2: the point is, you know, we are genuinely put into
1:05:32
Speaker 2: that because of our genetics and the way that we've evolved. So, yeah,
1:05:35
Speaker 2: women being nurturers and careers. And now what we're doing
1:05:39
Speaker 2: is we're allowing a narrative against the heygalien dialectic. We're
1:05:43
Speaker 2: allowing a narrative to come and split us in the middle.
1:05:46
Speaker 2: And so where we've got all these feminists and great
1:05:49
Speaker 2: because their argument goes it's absolutely brilliant emancipation freedom, But
1:05:53
Speaker 2: it becomes a point where, in the last four or
1:05:55
Speaker 2: five years, where it goes beyond women's rights, it goes
1:05:59
Speaker 2: beyond respect, he goes beyond nature and nurture to become indominant.
1:06:03
Speaker 2: I'm just as good as you. Listen, Chris, You've been
1:06:05
Speaker 2: through You've been through marine training, I've been through power rege,
1:06:08
Speaker 2: and I see all these women coming up, No fucking way,
1:06:13
Speaker 2: they're not. Even if she's sixteen stone built out the
1:06:16
Speaker 2: side of a brick shit house, you're still going to
1:06:19
Speaker 2: have to make concessions because we don't menstruate. And there
1:06:22
Speaker 2: that's what they don't talk about. You know, a pilot,
1:06:25
Speaker 2: female pilot sitting there flying her plane. Yeah, what she's menstruaying.
1:06:29
Speaker 2: It's a different story from a man. We don't have
1:06:32
Speaker 2: these social problems. I'm not saying women shouldn't fly planes
1:06:35
Speaker 2: with some of the absolutely brilliant experts, and I hold
1:06:37
Speaker 2: my hand up from for going through the training volunteer
1:06:39
Speaker 2: and improving a point. But the point's being proved. Yes,
1:06:43
Speaker 2: women can do as good as men, but it's only
1:06:45
Speaker 2: exceptional women in exceptional circumstances. And yet every woman could
1:06:49
Speaker 2: do something that we can do that we can't do,
1:06:52
Speaker 2: give birth. And if that's true, it should be the
1:06:56
Speaker 2: feminine side that rules this world. But what we've seen
1:06:59
Speaker 2: with modern feminism and it's a fucking can't fight. And
1:07:03
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know.
1:07:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, modern feminism is just a way to get
1:07:09
Speaker 1: the mother away from the child, because that's more more
1:07:13
Speaker 1: trauma embedded in the child. Then because the loss.
1:07:17
Speaker 2: I can understand that you saw, you know, feminism not strong.
1:07:21
Speaker 2: I think it's the most wonderful thing that women have
1:07:23
Speaker 2: ever done and got that emancipation and got equal rights.
1:07:26
Speaker 2: But please, ladies, please just remember you can't be over
1:07:30
Speaker 2: a high wall, and I can I can't give birth.
1:07:32
Speaker 2: And that's as simple as that. You know, there's no
1:07:35
Speaker 2: in between. You know. I saw an absolute beautiful meme
1:07:39
Speaker 2: about four or five years ago, and there was two doors,
1:07:41
Speaker 2: and one I had written on a penis and the
1:07:43
Speaker 2: other one had vagina, nothing else. I just put it
1:07:46
Speaker 2: up there and that was it. Bang, You've got the answer,
1:07:49
Speaker 2: because that's a big picture thinker. That's somebody that's thinking
1:07:51
Speaker 2: above the arguments, as somebody seeing the fundamental issues that
1:07:55
Speaker 2: this is causing a division of the sexes. What do
1:07:58
Speaker 2: you want? Hegelian dialect divide and rule. So you're divided
1:08:04
Speaker 2: by race, by sex, by age, by all these different isms.
1:08:10
Speaker 2: And they're all labels, Chris, They're all labels handed down
1:08:14
Speaker 2: to us in order to keep us controlled. What that
1:08:19
Speaker 2: control is is voluntary until it becomes a point where
1:08:23
Speaker 2: you see through it. And again, with this light that's
1:08:26
Speaker 2: coming in, people are waking up. The great awakening they
1:08:29
Speaker 2: call it. You can't stop it. It's got to happen.
1:08:32
Speaker 2: And so therefore I'm very confident about the future. But unfortunately,
1:08:37
Speaker 2: the pain that we're going to go through now, the
1:08:39
Speaker 2: pain of people waking up and realizing imagine being sixty
1:08:43
Speaker 2: five years old and everything that you believe in your
1:08:46
Speaker 2: life is now torn to shreds. Yeah. I believed in
1:08:49
Speaker 2: the Labor Party and all of a sudden it doesn't
1:08:53
Speaker 2: exist any more. All of a sudden, it doesn't it
1:08:55
Speaker 2: exist anymore.
1:08:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I've got my own fairy tam on
1:09:02
Speaker 1: female pilots in the military. Yeah, yeah, picture of the scenario. Oh,
1:09:10
Speaker 1: hang on, where I was just saying that, I've got
1:09:12
Speaker 1: my own theory about. You know, I think female pilots
1:09:18
Speaker 1: in the military is a bad thing. If you take
1:09:20
Speaker 1: that scenario. Was it the Inola gay delivered? Was it
1:09:24
Speaker 1: the tool Boy? Was the name of the nuke?
1:09:26
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the picture of.
1:09:30
Speaker 1: The scenario if that, if that had been a female
1:09:32
Speaker 1: pilot and she's flying along and she decides, you know,
1:09:36
Speaker 1: she's going to put her lipstick on, and she nudges
1:09:40
Speaker 1: the fucking bombay doors with her elbow, and she she
1:09:44
Speaker 1: bloody nukes whales is a fucking problem, Tom, you know.
1:09:49
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. You know, Yeah, it's a bit of
1:09:52
Speaker 2: facetious and speculative argument, you know about lipstick and all.
1:09:56
Speaker 2: I get your point. Yeah, South part of the beauty
1:10:00
Speaker 2: Team America, and you know, the two of them flying
1:10:02
Speaker 2: along in their planes bombing the ship out of some
1:10:04
Speaker 2: some Middle Eastern country. I value your friendship. I do too,
1:10:11
Speaker 2: you know, and everything that was very really yeah, a
1:10:15
Speaker 2: little side anecdote, but yeah, look, this blurring off the
1:10:19
Speaker 2: identities has caused a lot of problems, especially for males
1:10:24
Speaker 2: and unaware to a lot of women what's happened. You
1:10:28
Speaker 2: know that a lot of men have turned around and
1:10:30
Speaker 2: they said, no, we're not having this, and they want
1:10:33
Speaker 2: a traditional relationship. They don't want some woman with a
1:10:36
Speaker 2: high what they call body count. Now, they don't want
1:10:39
Speaker 2: a woman who's got a fast car and a good job.
1:10:42
Speaker 2: They just want someone for nature and nurture. But unfortunately,
1:10:46
Speaker 2: you know, you're getting hooked up with somebody that that's tinted,
1:10:49
Speaker 2: sort of hooked up with propaganda weaponized against males. You know,
1:10:54
Speaker 2: and look at look at them all in our government.
1:10:57
Speaker 2: I'm absolutely shocked. There's a picture of the other day.
1:10:59
Speaker 2: There was the front row of the British Parliament and
1:11:03
Speaker 2: it was all middle aged, pre postman apausal woman. And
1:11:08
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, okay, fair enough, nature nurture, here's people,
1:11:12
Speaker 2: there's women. They're very, very good at getting organized and
1:11:14
Speaker 2: all that. But yeah, when you end up in a
1:11:16
Speaker 2: situation where it's all woman, the bitching starts, the cat
1:11:19
Speaker 2: fighting starts. Yeah, they can't resist it. Because men brag
1:11:24
Speaker 2: and woman network and gossip is inherent in their nature,
1:11:28
Speaker 2: and so therefore women are more likely to pass on
1:11:32
Speaker 2: information about things than men, because men will steer it
1:11:36
Speaker 2: directly towards their own power, their own situation. I'm bragging,
1:11:42
Speaker 2: so therefore I'm using my narratives in order to back
1:11:45
Speaker 2: up what I identify with, whereas women they going to
1:11:48
Speaker 2: not some some come that way, but a different direction generally.
1:11:52
Speaker 2: Was I say, it's not inherent native And why is that?
1:11:56
Speaker 2: Because nurture passing on information to each other about child rearing,
1:12:00
Speaker 2: about bringing up families, about cooking and bringing stuff. Now
1:12:05
Speaker 2: take all that our away. That's what a woman's essentially
1:12:09
Speaker 2: here for, whereas men are here for the other side
1:12:12
Speaker 2: of it. It's a very spurious argument, and you can
1:12:15
Speaker 2: get caught in the middle, but it takes two to tangle.
1:12:18
Speaker 2: So we've got to understand that the world has changed
1:12:21
Speaker 2: for women, and we've got to accept that and accommodate
1:12:23
Speaker 2: that that there are some absolutely brilliant women out there
1:12:26
Speaker 2: as there are brilliant men. There's some absolutely terrible women
1:12:29
Speaker 2: out there, as there are absolutely terrible men. I would
1:12:32
Speaker 2: trust women more than I would trust men in terms
1:12:35
Speaker 2: of running things, but when it comes to backstabbing and
1:12:39
Speaker 2: bitching and all the rest of it, I trust men
1:12:41
Speaker 2: more than women. So you've got that kind of bit
1:12:44
Speaker 2: in the middle where you've got to say, right, okay,
1:12:46
Speaker 2: you've got a logical argument here, and I understand it.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: You've got a logical argument here, and understand it, But
1:12:52
Speaker 2: what's the way through the middle. And unfortunately politics is
1:12:55
Speaker 2: not dealing with that. It's keeping us divided, and it's
1:12:57
Speaker 2: almost as if it's deliberately done. But wait again, you
1:13:00
Speaker 2: talk about a cabal, You talk about hiding under desks
1:13:03
Speaker 2: when you're five years old because you're fighting somebody's going
1:13:06
Speaker 2: to Nukeia or your teacher's telling you that. And when
1:13:08
Speaker 2: you get your teaching and get the information from Oh
1:13:11
Speaker 2: she got from the newspapers where they got at from
1:13:13
Speaker 2: some hack journalists. They decided no, it was government deliverate propaganda.
1:13:18
Speaker 2: So again you have to come back they Gelian dialectic. Yeah,
1:13:22
Speaker 2: women are being encouraged and emancipated. You know, the feminist argument.
1:13:27
Speaker 2: It works, but you get these examples where it goes
1:13:30
Speaker 2: to extreme, and of course what happens is people pick
1:13:33
Speaker 2: up on that and say, there you are, there's your evidence.
1:13:35
Speaker 2: I told you so. I kind of like you saying
1:13:37
Speaker 2: that women shouldn't be pilots and stuff like that. Well,
1:13:40
Speaker 2: women should be pilots, but should women be flying at
1:13:43
Speaker 2: certain times of the month. Well there's another debate. I'm
1:13:46
Speaker 2: not a man, I can't say, but I've got four sisters,
1:13:49
Speaker 2: and I see the change in them, and whether it's
1:13:53
Speaker 2: subtle or obvious, depending on the circumstances in the time
1:13:56
Speaker 2: of the cycle they're in, where it's one month, two month,
1:13:59
Speaker 2: or three month cycle, I always see a difference in
1:14:02
Speaker 2: changing behavior and it always makes me think, what would
1:14:05
Speaker 2: happen if this woman had a gun at this moment? Yeah? Really,
1:14:08
Speaker 2: this is for years and years and years ago. Of course,
1:14:10
Speaker 2: I realized no, as a fairly weak argument. But what
1:14:14
Speaker 2: if a woman in that kind of age had a gun. Well, okay,
1:14:18
Speaker 2: you want to put them into combat. So you get
1:14:20
Speaker 2: a whole platoon of woman all men straight at the
1:14:22
Speaker 2: same time, giving them all the rifles. Say rather, there
1:14:24
Speaker 2: you go, girls, off you go. I'm pretty sure it'll
1:14:26
Speaker 2: be enough aggression and they'd fight the way through things. Yeah.
1:14:30
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about anything anymore time, other than the
1:14:32
Speaker 1: fact that we've probably gone right into dodgy ground now.
1:14:38
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's funny when you see this, like I
1:14:41
Speaker 1: can guarantee you because when you start for anyone out
1:14:45
Speaker 1: there that's decoding scripture so understanding the allegory behind it,
1:14:49
Speaker 1: there's no way you're ever going to find anywhere in
1:14:52
Speaker 1: scripture that says cover your woman head to toe and
1:14:55
Speaker 1: make a walk, and make a walk twenty steps behind you.
1:15:00
Speaker 1: I don't think people in this country realize if you
1:15:02
Speaker 1: look at an Islamic couple the woman is walking behind
1:15:06
Speaker 1: the man. I think they just think the woman's a
1:15:08
Speaker 1: bit slower than the bloke. But no, you see in
1:15:13
Speaker 1: scripture and allegory written by these margi you know, these magicians,
1:15:18
Speaker 1: these Persian intellectuals, and off the back of the Persian
1:15:24
Speaker 1: scripts came your New Testament and your Old Testament and
1:15:28
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff, you know, your Greek, your
1:15:31
Speaker 1: late Greek stuff. Is a woman would be something like
1:15:37
Speaker 1: emotional emotional intellect, and male man would be like your
1:15:45
Speaker 1: spiritual intellect. So basically, woman represents emotion, man represents thought.
1:15:52
Speaker 1: And for anyone out there who's getting upset, now, no,
1:15:55
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean man and a woman like you think,
1:15:57
Speaker 1: man and wisness. Nothing. It means more all like the
1:16:01
Speaker 1: ying and the yang, the as above, the so below.
1:16:04
Speaker 1: It's just referred to as woman and man. And saying
1:16:08
Speaker 1: that you should your cover your woman would be akin
1:16:13
Speaker 1: to saying you need to get on top of your emotion,
1:16:18
Speaker 1: because if you let your emotion control you, you're living
1:16:22
Speaker 1: in a material body, and you're leaving the upper room,
1:16:25
Speaker 1: the right hemisphere of the brain, and you're being dragged
1:16:28
Speaker 1: down into you know, beat beast mode, so to speak.
1:16:32
Speaker 1: And so when you see all that bullshit, it's just
1:16:35
Speaker 1: an abomination of God. God would never God is love,
1:16:38
Speaker 1: and love isn't telling someone on a hot day to
1:16:41
Speaker 1: cover head to toe and that they have to go
1:16:43
Speaker 1: swimming to the swimming pool like that, that that that's nonsense.
1:16:47
Speaker 2: So sure eachter on, if you're born into a society
1:16:53
Speaker 2: and culture that does that, you never question it. They're
1:16:55
Speaker 2: all getting this got aw where all religions got for
1:16:59
Speaker 2: thousands of years. Again, the printing press. The invention of
1:17:04
Speaker 2: the printing press in the thirteenth century in Gutenburg. You know,
1:17:09
Speaker 2: that opened up a whole different aspect where people could
1:17:12
Speaker 2: communicate and pass on messages. Now fast forward to where
1:17:15
Speaker 2: we are, you've got that old traditional way of culture again,
1:17:20
Speaker 2: going back to the idea that you know, we need
1:17:22
Speaker 2: God as a paradox, the less we have God, the
1:17:25
Speaker 2: more we need them. And so therefore that was a
1:17:27
Speaker 2: way of social control and it was accepted by everybody.
1:17:30
Speaker 2: Now they are exposed to different cultures, certainly since the
1:17:34
Speaker 2: advent of television, and that's only been thirty forty years, Chris, Really,
1:17:38
Speaker 2: it's only been thirty or forty years. And this whole
1:17:41
Speaker 2: information technology, it's whole revolution has come and we're in
1:17:46
Speaker 2: a situation where people don't know what's true anymore. I
1:17:49
Speaker 2: don't know what's true anymore. All I can do is
1:17:52
Speaker 2: go by what I believe. But I'm willing to accept
1:17:54
Speaker 2: that I can change these beliefs when evidence is given
1:17:57
Speaker 2: to me. What I don't like is I talked to
1:18:00
Speaker 2: someone who's off a religious person. It doesn't matter what religion,
1:18:05
Speaker 2: but they're very, very religious. You're talking to a brick
1:18:08
Speaker 2: wall because they've already decided that you are inferior to them,
1:18:12
Speaker 2: because they're closer to God, because you run godly and
1:18:14
Speaker 2: therefore it's very easy to wind people up. You just
1:18:18
Speaker 2: slag off God. Sojer these people they're giving God a
1:18:20
Speaker 2: hard time. Oh that's not right. Well, that was the
1:18:23
Speaker 2: whole underpinning of Northern Ireland. There's the same freaking God
1:18:28
Speaker 2: and Christians, and yet they're at each other. How does
1:18:31
Speaker 2: this happen? Because again people with an agenda, passing on
1:18:35
Speaker 2: the propaganda and back to the printing press. That's how
1:18:38
Speaker 2: we got the counter reformation that started off, the whole
1:18:41
Speaker 2: capitalism that started off the modern Reformation into the Enlightenment
1:18:46
Speaker 2: and the Enlightenment and the science and the technology and
1:18:49
Speaker 2: all the narratives. Remember last time we talked about where
1:18:52
Speaker 2: does psychiatry come from? All of these things, and again
1:18:56
Speaker 2: people are all put into the silos. And this is
1:18:58
Speaker 2: what I believe, This is what I know, but when
1:18:59
Speaker 2: you asked to talk about something outside it, very few
1:19:03
Speaker 2: people can do that. So the more you learn, the
1:19:06
Speaker 2: more you realize there is to learn, and there comes
1:19:08
Speaker 2: to a point where you have to accept that things
1:19:10
Speaker 2: have changed for you. The world is changing. You can
1:19:13
Speaker 2: go along with it or you can fight it. And unfortunately,
1:19:16
Speaker 2: where we are and it's back to false flags. I
1:19:18
Speaker 2: think it's the people from before that held the power
1:19:22
Speaker 2: are the most dangerous because they're losing that power and
1:19:26
Speaker 2: there are some of them at least are about to
1:19:28
Speaker 2: be exposed for what they really are. You see, Chris,
1:19:31
Speaker 2: we have three lives. Well, public life, we have a
1:19:34
Speaker 2: private life and a secret life. You are a commando,
1:19:38
Speaker 2: so your public life is in uniform. There you are
1:19:40
Speaker 2: Greenberry on marching up and down the square. Everybody can
1:19:43
Speaker 2: see you and amongst all your mates. It's not really
1:19:45
Speaker 2: different because you're wear in a uniform. But you're a commando, right,
1:19:48
Speaker 2: So that's your public life. You're also a private life
1:19:51
Speaker 2: that interpenetrates that. And that private life is Yeah, you're
1:19:54
Speaker 2: a commando and you've got mates and you're in the
1:19:56
Speaker 2: barracks and that's your life because you're serving, and that's
1:19:58
Speaker 2: your private life. If you know your girlfriend or your
1:20:02
Speaker 2: wife or whatever. Okay, that's all fine, all that you
1:20:05
Speaker 2: do in and out of uniform edward. But the secret
1:20:08
Speaker 2: here is you have a secret life. Now, this is
1:20:11
Speaker 2: the person that's got their own secret desires. This is
1:20:13
Speaker 2: where your fantasy is. The way you pick your nose,
1:20:16
Speaker 2: yeah in private, or you scratch your ass, or your
1:20:19
Speaker 2: little body habits the individuals your secrets, your secret thoughts,
1:20:22
Speaker 2: your secret desires. Now, if you've got all of them
1:20:26
Speaker 2: and you're forced to deny them in public, what happens
1:20:29
Speaker 2: you have to find an alternative out, and therefore you
1:20:32
Speaker 2: become more furtive, more secretive, because you don't want people
1:20:35
Speaker 2: realizing that this is the essence inside you. So when
1:20:38
Speaker 2: you've got a priest standing there giving you a talk,
1:20:42
Speaker 2: and this fucker has been buggering fucking little boys for years,
1:20:45
Speaker 2: this is what blows me away. So our social life, sorry,
1:20:49
Speaker 2: our secret lives are the ones where that really really
1:20:53
Speaker 2: matter and where we make the real decisions. So what
1:20:55
Speaker 2: we do in public and what we do or what
1:20:57
Speaker 2: we do in private, and then what we do in
1:20:59
Speaker 2: public is manifested from all that secrecy. And as far
1:21:02
Speaker 2: as i'm concerned. When you get into the public life,
1:21:05
Speaker 2: you have to put your secret life more on hold.
1:21:08
Speaker 2: You have to put it away and live more for
1:21:11
Speaker 2: the public life, live more for your for your audience,
1:21:14
Speaker 2: if you like. And so therefore, if that's the case,
1:21:17
Speaker 2: we end up with people, or we've ended up with
1:21:19
Speaker 2: people now whose secret lives have put them all in
1:21:21
Speaker 2: these positions of power. You know, we look at what
1:21:24
Speaker 2: we're hearing about America and all the insider trading that's
1:21:27
Speaker 2: going on. You know, I'm not naming names. We hear
1:21:29
Speaker 2: about what's the Russia collusion, we hear about the January sixth, Now,
1:21:33
Speaker 2: this is all American politics. But at that point, yeah,
1:21:37
Speaker 2: how many secret lives we're all conspiring together in order
1:21:41
Speaker 2: to having a personal agenda. And that comes back to
1:21:44
Speaker 2: the Hegelian dialectic. Those that are in power, those that
1:21:46
Speaker 2: are protecting power. And so the overall picture, as the
1:21:49
Speaker 2: Earth moves and the Sun moves through space, it's only
1:21:52
Speaker 2: going to get lighter, the photons are going to get more,
1:21:55
Speaker 2: they're going to be faster streams coming in, and so
1:21:57
Speaker 2: it's inevitable and there's going to be a huge reconciliation
1:22:01
Speaker 2: in the next fifteen twenty years. I don't know. I'm
1:22:04
Speaker 2: clutching it straws. It may take longer because people are
1:22:07
Speaker 2: you and me. How many years you're being around Chris
1:22:09
Speaker 2: fifty seven fifty eight. You think all the highways in
1:22:11
Speaker 2: your mind, and all the habits you've got, yeah, and
1:22:14
Speaker 2: all your idiosyncrasies in your secret life, you've got to
1:22:16
Speaker 2: dismantle all of them. If they are evil, if they
1:22:19
Speaker 2: are nasty, if you're fooling around with people and things
1:22:22
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't be doing. If you're secreting away money,
1:22:25
Speaker 2: you know, you're just stabbing people in the back, your
1:22:27
Speaker 2: nasty gossiping, all the range of all of these aspects
1:22:30
Speaker 2: of being a human. So as we move forward, as
1:22:34
Speaker 2: I say, I keep on coming back to it, I'm
1:22:36
Speaker 2: confident and optimistic that a lot of the issues that
1:22:38
Speaker 2: we've got now will go away and that we're going
1:22:40
Speaker 2: to have a much better future based on the divine,
1:22:43
Speaker 2: feminine ruling the how shall I say, the organized males.
1:22:49
Speaker 2: That's probably I think that we should be a much
1:22:52
Speaker 2: more feminine society driven in terms of our social society.
1:22:56
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I have that heavy hand
1:22:58
Speaker 2: of man to do the work that we're biologically different.
1:23:02
Speaker 2: We have different rules and a fulfilled life for a
1:23:05
Speaker 2: man who is a different life for a full full
1:23:07
Speaker 2: life for a woman. So yeah, that's where I'm coming from.
1:23:11
Speaker 2: I'm confident and I'm optimistic about a break future coming,
1:23:15
Speaker 2: but as I said, we've got to go through a
1:23:17
Speaker 2: lot of pain before we get there. And that's where
1:23:19
Speaker 2: we're living now.
1:23:20
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I'm sort of like I really am in
1:23:24
Speaker 1: into the energy vibration frequency, So I kind of think
1:23:29
Speaker 1: that everything's right, but I can understand why a lot
1:23:32
Speaker 1: of people don't. Obviously, as a parent, you know, you
1:23:36
Speaker 1: have concerns, but worries never got anyone anywhere, is it?
1:23:40
Speaker 2: Really?
1:23:40
Speaker 1: It's it's sort of a worry. I think concern is good,
1:23:45
Speaker 1: but when it turns to what worry is just on need?
1:23:48
Speaker 1: You know, worry is like concern without action, isn't it?
1:23:52
Speaker 1: You know you're not You're not You're not acting on
1:23:54
Speaker 1: your concern. You just sat there stagnating in fear. And
1:23:58
Speaker 1: I really do talk spiritual, but spiritual butt is such
1:24:01
Speaker 1: a crap name.
1:24:02
Speaker 2: But it's an old name. Enlightened is a better one. Yeah,
1:24:06
Speaker 2: you've got to get a better one.
1:24:08
Speaker 1: You've got to get yourself to a place where if
1:24:10
Speaker 1: someone's got a gun to your head and you know
1:24:12
Speaker 1: that you've got seconds to live, it don't matter it literally,
1:24:16
Speaker 1: you know. And I've been in that situation before, or
1:24:19
Speaker 1: at least you know, been in a situation where I completely.
1:24:24
Speaker 2: You were holding a gun to your own head when
1:24:26
Speaker 2: you were addicted.
1:24:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that that. Yeah, no, that's true. I
1:24:32
Speaker 1: just remember the first time I thought I was going
1:24:34
Speaker 1: to die. It was terrifying. It was terrifying. But then
1:24:39
Speaker 1: you have like this breakthrough, you have this like sterile
1:24:42
Speaker 1: white breakthrough where your mouth goes all metallic, and then
1:24:45
Speaker 1: you just think, ah, fuck it, you can you can't
1:24:48
Speaker 1: get more scared than this.
1:24:49
Speaker 2: That's it.
1:24:50
Speaker 1: You can't get any lower. And then you come back
1:24:52
Speaker 1: up again. You're like, oh, well, well I was anyway,
1:24:55
Speaker 1: because you know, I think being a former marine was
1:24:59
Speaker 1: like I can't show fear, and fuck it, I can't
1:25:03
Speaker 1: be afraid. And then you sort of had a bit
1:25:05
Speaker 1: of a bounce back, whereas now I don't have to
1:25:08
Speaker 1: do that sort of structure in and bolstering. It's I
1:25:13
Speaker 1: get it. There is only one energy. You're always a
1:25:16
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, not in this not in
1:25:19
Speaker 1: this existence. But you, you are the bigger picture manifesting
1:25:23
Speaker 1: itself in the in this body, so to speak. And
1:25:26
Speaker 1: I think that takes a lot of the sort of
1:25:28
Speaker 1: sting out of it. So I just say to anyone
1:25:30
Speaker 1: out there, just get just just get into your meditation, folks.
1:25:34
Speaker 1: And that's another funny one because everyone thinks meditations like
1:25:38
Speaker 1: sitting on a mountaintop going and it's not. Meditation is
1:25:42
Speaker 1: like once you get your pineal gland all work in
1:25:44
Speaker 1: which you do through lifestyle choices, then you can just
1:25:47
Speaker 1: shut your eyes and commune with a divine because that's
1:25:51
Speaker 1: you know, that's it.
1:25:52
Speaker 2: My meditation, Chris, is when I'm running. When I'm running
1:25:57
Speaker 2: and I can see you mum years ago and picking
1:26:01
Speaker 2: yourself up running and then all that time you're running.
1:26:05
Speaker 2: This is where all the podcasts came out. This is
1:26:07
Speaker 2: a hoary old idea. It manifested in Germany because you
1:26:10
Speaker 2: were up time. This is the say, eighteen to twenty
1:26:13
Speaker 2: minutes that seratonium and Upaman kicks in. You get the
1:26:16
Speaker 2: runners high, and off you go. You know. Sometimes I
1:26:19
Speaker 2: used to love that feeling around about thirty minutes, where
1:26:21
Speaker 2: you feel that you could just run forever. At that
1:26:23
Speaker 2: speech is ghosting long and cruising. Man, I would calculate
1:26:26
Speaker 2: how many seconds it would take to I like to
1:26:29
Speaker 2: get to the sun and back. I would ridiculous sums
1:26:33
Speaker 2: in my head. No, hope is doing. But I could
1:26:36
Speaker 2: calculate and all that because I'm running, I'm in a rhythm.
1:26:38
Speaker 2: I'm meditating. And this is where a lot of my
1:26:41
Speaker 2: PhD and stuff like that came out. The idea is
1:26:43
Speaker 2: to do all that because when I'm running, I'm thinking,
1:26:46
Speaker 2: and it's a meditation. And of course when I come back,
1:26:48
Speaker 2: I've got the sense of achievement. Wow, I cooked these molecules. Yeah,
1:26:54
Speaker 2: this mind took these molecules and made it do this.
1:26:57
Speaker 2: And then I think my body, thank you, legs, you
1:26:59
Speaker 2: did well today. I don't know if you do that,
1:27:01
Speaker 2: but thank you you did well today. And then I
1:27:03
Speaker 2: found out, just like your three lives, there's three phases.
1:27:07
Speaker 2: It's up here. I want to go for a run.
1:27:09
Speaker 2: The heart I want to go for a run. Yes, yes,
1:27:13
Speaker 2: and the ledge gone not today? Pal, you ever felt that? Yeah?
1:27:17
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely? Do you think then?
1:27:21
Speaker 2: Sorry, what do you think that?
1:27:23
Speaker 1: Do you think it's part of the spiritual balance? Then
1:27:26
Speaker 1: getting your public self. You know, your private self and
1:27:29
Speaker 1: your spiritual set. You got to kind of you know,
1:27:31
Speaker 1: you gotta.
1:27:32
Speaker 2: Get you're on the right tractor. Get your your private
1:27:36
Speaker 2: life and your secret life more in tune, and your
1:27:39
Speaker 2: public life will thrive because you will not have to
1:27:42
Speaker 2: worry about it. You will always be balanced and come across. Yeah,
1:27:47
Speaker 2: as user word saying, but uh, somebody that that's worth
1:27:52
Speaker 2: listening to. You know, you've got an opinion and the
1:27:54
Speaker 2: way you put it across. So the public life will
1:27:58
Speaker 2: come if you have got a balance between your private
1:28:01
Speaker 2: life and your secret life. But that takes work, and
1:28:05
Speaker 2: many people don't realize how obvious it is. What's going
1:28:08
Speaker 2: on in the secret life is manifesting, especially in their
1:28:11
Speaker 2: private life around their friends and all that. That's wh
1:28:13
Speaker 2: we say, Oh he's this or she's that, or they
1:28:15
Speaker 2: did this and they've done that and all that. You know,
1:28:17
Speaker 2: that's your speculation on you because yeah, they say empathy.
1:28:22
Speaker 2: Yeah you ever heard that word, Chris, empathy? Oh I've
1:28:24
Speaker 2: got lots of empathy. Fuck off, you can't have empathy.
1:28:28
Speaker 2: I am not you. I've never lived in your body.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: If you want, if you want to understand what it's
1:28:33
Speaker 2: like to be another man walk a thousand miles in
1:28:35
Speaker 2: his moccasins. You know, it's a North American proverb, but
1:28:38
Speaker 2: it's the same thing. You know, how can you actually
1:28:40
Speaker 2: do that? How can you? If you can't? Because your
1:28:44
Speaker 2: life is individual. You might understand what it's like for
1:28:47
Speaker 2: somebody who feeling pain to be grieving, but you don't
1:28:50
Speaker 2: know the exact circumstances. It's got not you. So we
1:28:53
Speaker 2: call it empathy. It's not empathy. There's no such thing
1:28:56
Speaker 2: as empathy. There's only a basic understanding. So yeah, and yeah,
1:29:00
Speaker 2: we use this word empathy, and we use it liberally.
1:29:02
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I understand what you're going through. No, no, no, no,
1:29:06
Speaker 2: don't don't go down that route. Don't have empathy. Empathy
1:29:09
Speaker 2: with people. Look at their actions and their thoughts and
1:29:12
Speaker 2: say how does that affect you know, what is their
1:29:16
Speaker 2: private life? Saying what is the secret life? Saying that
1:29:18
Speaker 2: I see this manifest in public, and therein lies the clues.
1:29:22
Speaker 2: And that's why you start sitting there watching politicians listening
1:29:25
Speaker 2: for a few minutes and another liars or I know
1:29:28
Speaker 2: that that we're being flanneled. Yeah, I know that's some
1:29:31
Speaker 2: kind of propaganda. And of course, as I'm watching this.
1:29:35
Speaker 2: There's millions and millions of people watching these things, and
1:29:38
Speaker 2: they're starting to go hm m mmmm. And again, this
1:29:41
Speaker 2: is why I'm confident, Chris. So without people like you
1:29:44
Speaker 2: putting this platform out and a living voice to yourself
1:29:46
Speaker 2: and people like me, it doesn't matter if one person
1:29:51
Speaker 2: wakes up as a result of this conversation. We you
1:29:55
Speaker 2: and me have done something positive on this earth, even
1:29:59
Speaker 2: if we do nothing evermore, just one person, because that
1:30:02
Speaker 2: could be the person. You know what they say about
1:30:05
Speaker 2: people and opportunities deny, that could be the person that's
1:30:08
Speaker 2: the next Einstein, you know, the next explorer as you
1:30:11
Speaker 2: called it. And so therefore all these you know, the
1:30:14
Speaker 2: argument about all these people that are being hamstrung and
1:30:17
Speaker 2: not allowed to do things. It's down choice, you know it. Basically,
1:30:22
Speaker 2: it comes down to choice. Are you ready to stand
1:30:25
Speaker 2: up in being counted? If not, what else can you do?
1:30:29
Speaker 2: Not to stand up in front of the public. But
1:30:31
Speaker 2: you can do privately, and this is where the vast
1:30:33
Speaker 2: amount of work gets done. Private people, the secret lives,
1:30:36
Speaker 2: who are genuinely good people, and they are being thwarted
1:30:40
Speaker 2: and stimied and everything they're trying to do by a
1:30:42
Speaker 2: top level of people, a kabbal of people who are
1:30:45
Speaker 2: only interested in themselves and their own power gains and
1:30:48
Speaker 2: we are nothing. What was it you said at the beginning,
1:30:51
Speaker 2: slaves trained in slavery, bred and slavery. Well, you're working
1:30:56
Speaker 2: for a wage, you're a slave. End of story.
1:31:00
Speaker 1: Yes, hope you just I'm back, Yeah, yes, so sorry, Tom.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: You were saying, it's good, it's good that we've got
1:31:08
Speaker 1: this platform to get out and reach people.
1:31:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you recording now?
1:31:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're recording yet.
1:31:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, as I said, it's good to get
1:31:15
Speaker 2: out and have this platform that we're reaching people, because
1:31:18
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you reach out
1:31:20
Speaker 2: and you you you have an affinity with one person
1:31:24
Speaker 2: and get over your message and make them think and
1:31:26
Speaker 2: they can reframe. You don't know what they're doing in
1:31:29
Speaker 2: their life, you don't know what their job is and
1:31:30
Speaker 2: how many people are in touch with but you know,
1:31:33
Speaker 2: many grains of sand make a heap, and I want
1:31:35
Speaker 2: us to build mountains and mountains and mountains with people
1:31:39
Speaker 2: listening to you know, we might not be right, we
1:31:41
Speaker 2: might be absolutely fucking crazy. I don't care. Yeah. The
1:31:45
Speaker 2: more people that wake up is the less people operating
1:31:48
Speaker 2: in this darkness and that's the way that we want
1:31:51
Speaker 2: to go. So what can we do in order to
1:31:53
Speaker 2: help people? And that's why I'm very grateful for the
1:31:55
Speaker 2: opportunity to work with someone like yourself. So yeah, thank
1:31:59
Speaker 2: you very much, Chris, Pleasure.
1:32:00
Speaker 1: Pleasures all mine, dr toam, thank you ever so much,
1:32:04
Speaker 1: and bigelow to all our fellow paras and marines out
1:32:10
Speaker 1: there who might be might be watching us. Ould sweats,
1:32:15
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, have a yap. So Tom, just bear with
1:32:20
Speaker 1: me so I can thank you properly while I just
1:32:22
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1:32:25
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1:32:27
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1:33:01
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1:33:05
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1:33:14
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1:33:19
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1:33:21
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