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Russia launches massive airstrike on Ukraine, killing 4 and wounding dozens · DEEP INSIGHT

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  Speaker 1: Russia fired more than six hundred drones and missiles it
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  Speaker 1: targets across Ukraine earlier this morning, in one of the
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  Speaker 1: largest aerial barrches since the start of the war. The
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  Speaker 1: attacks reportedly killed at least four people in Kiev and
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  Speaker 1: wounded dozens more. Ukraine's air force said it's air defense
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  Speaker 1: shot down or deflected dozens of missiles and most of
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  Speaker 1: the drones. Were joined now by Jill Doherty, scene and
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  Speaker 1: contributor and former Scene in Moscow bureau chief and adjunct
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  Speaker 1: professor at Georgetown University. Jill, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: being here with us. We appreciate it. It's yet another
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  Speaker 1: Sunday where we say Russia has done x thing that
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  Speaker 1: is the worst or the first that they have done.
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  Speaker 1: After over three years of war. Where is Russia right
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  Speaker 1: now and what are they hoping to accomplish here?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that really is a question, because you're right,
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking the very same thing. You know, every
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  Speaker 2: day we're saying it's the worse since the beginning. I think,
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  Speaker 2: on the one hand, you know, their strategy has a
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  Speaker 2: lot of parts to it, so dealing directly with the war,
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  Speaker 2: the kinetic part of the war against Ukraine. They are
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  Speaker 2: trying to exhaust, they're trying to terrorize, They're trying to
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  Speaker 2: make Ukrainians simply give up and think that it's too much.
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  Speaker 2: So this constant bombardment. They would deny, of course as usual,
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  Speaker 2: that they are bombing civilian targets, but obviously civilians are
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  Speaker 2: dying and they are being bombed. You know. Then I
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  Speaker 2: think there's another part to this, which is they you
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  Speaker 2: have and I know we'll probably talk about it, but
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  Speaker 2: you have the drones and the nig fighters that have
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  Speaker 2: gone into the West. That's another way of kind of
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  Speaker 2: you know, fighting the war with lack of clarity, you know,
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  Speaker 2: is it an attack is it not? And then you
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  Speaker 2: have the role of China and then you have the
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  Speaker 2: role of the United States and Russia. So they're pressing
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  Speaker 2: on all of those different parts in different ways.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, And so let's and in the midst of all
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  Speaker 1: of that, because I do want to touch on those
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  Speaker 1: other issues. You said, but for the first time we
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  Speaker 1: heard President Trump say this week he thinks Ukraine can
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  Speaker 1: win this war. How do you think that landed with
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  Speaker 1: President Putin?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think maybe the Russians are as confused as
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  Speaker 2: everyone else I mean that was one to eighty. There
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of confusion here in the United States
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  Speaker 2: and among our allies. And it could be that the
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  Speaker 2: Russians are confused by it too. So they're continuing with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, again attacking Ukraine, but they're doing other things
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  Speaker 2: to trying to try to figure out exactly what Trump means.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, that kind of boils down to they're
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  Speaker 2: testing the West, and then they're also testing how the
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  Speaker 2: United States is working or not working with its allies.
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  Speaker 1: And and and to that end, this testing of NATO.
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  Speaker 1: These NATO countries that you mentioned that have reported some
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  Speaker 1: drones flying into their airspace, they're blaming Russia. And I
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  Speaker 1: know you and I talked before, and you said, this
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  Speaker 1: is like they like to leave things kind of nebulous
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  Speaker 1: where they did they really do it on purpose? What
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  Speaker 1: is their true intention? What this? But the fact is
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  Speaker 1: these things continue to happen. Do you think at this
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  Speaker 1: point it's looking more like a test for the West
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  Speaker 1: and testing NATO or is it something else?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a number of different things. It
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  Speaker 2: is a test. I mean when they come close, like
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  Speaker 2: let's say, there were two different types of things. There
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  Speaker 2: were the drones that came into Poland they also were
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  Speaker 2: close to Romania. They then they have the MiGs, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the fighter jets up in Estonia. So they're coming in
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  Speaker 2: in different ways, and you know, in an immediate fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see how the you know, the West reacts, how
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  Speaker 2: do NATO react, how many minutes does it take, what
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  Speaker 2: do they do? And then we have this big debate
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  Speaker 2: about should they be shot down should they not? And
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  Speaker 2: here's where you have those surprising comments by President Trump. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he said the Allies should shoot them down, and then
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  Speaker 2: he also said Ukraine can win back the territory that
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  Speaker 2: it's lost, and maybe even more so. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: Russians look at that. I don't think they quite believe
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  Speaker 2: or they're on board with everything that he's saying. And
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the very carefully at what President
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  Speaker 2: Trump said at the end of all of that last week,
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  Speaker 2: he said, good luck to both sides. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: what are we to understand by that? So I would
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  Speaker 2: say Russians, you know, exploit what they can, test where
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  Speaker 2: they can, and really importantly it's testing. What does the
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  Speaker 2: United States do when the allies, when NATO allies are tested.
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  Speaker 2: That to me is the question the Russians who are saying,
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  Speaker 2: will the US come to the aid of its native allowies?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Is that is the big question here all right?
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  Speaker 1: Jill Doherty, good to see you, Thank you so much.