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MISSOURI GIRL MISSING 5 MONTHS FOUND IN SEX OFFENDER'S CLOSET 700 MILES AWAY, NAKED, ALIVE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A little Missouri girl missing
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  Speaker 1: five long months, just found in a sex offender's closet
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  Speaker 1: seven hundred miles away, naked, cowering, but alive. Good evening,
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: Columbia, Missouri, a father receives a call from his daughter's
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  Speaker 2: high school. His fifteen year old daughter never showed up
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  Speaker 2: to class that morning. Calls to the team's cell go unanswered,
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  Speaker 2: and when dad rushes home to check on her, he
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  Speaker 2: finds the home empty, his daughter nowhere in sight.
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  Speaker 1: A parent's worst nightmare. You go to work, you think
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  Speaker 1: everything is fine, and then you get that call from
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  Speaker 1: the school your daughter never showed up. Joining me an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we are learning.
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  Speaker 1: Now listen, hey, Columbia, Missouri.
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  Speaker 2: Father gets a call from his daughter's high school that
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  Speaker 2: she never arrived to class. The dad calls his fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year old several times, and, getting no answer, rushes home
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  Speaker 2: from work to check on her. He's hopeful that she
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  Speaker 2: just overslept or missed the bus, but when he gets home,
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  Speaker 2: the teen isn't there, and some of her belongings, including
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  Speaker 2: her phone, are missing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's a sign right there that her phone is missing,
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  Speaker 1: probably her school backpack, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything
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  Speaker 1: is wrong. She typically takes her phone and her backpack
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  Speaker 1: to school every day. Did you know that over thirty
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  Speaker 1: three percent of all child disappearances kidnaps occur in around
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  Speaker 1: or related to getting to school. It could be at
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  Speaker 1: the bus stop, it could be walking the route to school,
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  Speaker 1: getting off the bus, walking back home, even approaching the school.
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  Speaker 1: Like Kiren Horman, it goes on and on. Nearly half,
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  Speaker 1: over thirty three percent of all child disappearances kidnaps stranger
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  Speaker 1: related occur as it connects to getting to and from school.
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  Speaker 1: So right there we see a problem joining me. Greg Morris,
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  Speaker 1: high profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney out of Palm Beach,
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  Speaker 1: author of the Untested. He is the partner at Moore's Legal. Greg.
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  Speaker 1: Right there, that is where law enforcement starts the search.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, law enforcement always says, oh, she'll be
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  Speaker 1: back home, don't worry, she's probably out with her little boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they normally say. But then when and if
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  Speaker 1: they get concerned about the missing child, then they start
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  Speaker 1: looking at the school and the routes to school. Explain.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so police are going to start and spiral outwards.
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  Speaker 3: When they're looking for a missing person. Most people are
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  Speaker 3: locally found, so they're going to start think, maybe she's
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  Speaker 3: a teenager, she went to her friend's house, didn't call
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  Speaker 3: her parents.
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  Speaker 4: Then they're going to.
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  Speaker 3: Start retracing the steps she should have taken, spoken with
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  Speaker 3: her friends, and things of that nature. Although this case
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  Speaker 3: exemplifies why you need to start with the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Starting joining me renowned forensic psychologist, TV radio trauma expert,
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  Speaker 1: and you can find her at karenstart dot com. Karen
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  Speaker 1: with a C. Karen, thank you for being with us. Karen.
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  Speaker 1: What is it that law enforcement always at the get go,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's a missing girl, a missing boy, or typically
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  Speaker 1: a missing woman, they go, oh, there'll be back, they're
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  Speaker 1: out with their little boyfriend or fill in the blank.
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  Speaker 1: They never take it seriously at the beginning. They don't, Nancy.
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  Speaker 5: They really are trying to get the parents to not
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  Speaker 5: be upset or the people that are looking for them,
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  Speaker 5: and for some reason they keep trying to say things like, well,
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  Speaker 5: she's a runaway or she's with a friend, just like
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  Speaker 5: you said, I'm really trying to quiet the fact that
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  Speaker 5: these people might be getting really upset, of course and frightened.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that? Todd Shipley. Todd Shipley is joining US
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  Speaker 1: digital cyber crime expert, former detective sergeant with the Reno Police,
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  Speaker 1: never lack of business in Reno, twenty five years in
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  Speaker 1: LA and author of Surviving a Cyber Attack, also author
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  Speaker 1: of Investigating Internet Crimes. Todd, thanks for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it? In your twenty four years in LA
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement? I'm sure you saw it over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over where detectives, investigators beat cops and saying, ah,
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  Speaker 1: she'll be back.
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  Speaker 6: Well, because it commonly is that way, you know, particularly
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  Speaker 6: with runaway kids. They look at it that it's somebody
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  Speaker 6: that walked off through a girlfriend's house or went someplace
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  Speaker 6: with a boyfriend, and they'll show up within you know,
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  Speaker 6: hours or days and it won't be a kid depping.
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  Speaker 6: It's hard, at least initially to figure that out.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to Gg McKelvey joining me, journalist, host of
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  Speaker 1: Pretty Lies and Alibi's podcast, Gg, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. Another factor into why in this jurisdiction police
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  Speaker 1: may not have taken her disappearance seriously. At the beginning
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  Speaker 1: is because this neck of the woods, Columbia, Missouri is
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  Speaker 1: the safest place, the safest urban area in Missouri in
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  Speaker 1: which to live well.
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  Speaker 7: Columbia, Missouri has one of the lowest crime rates in
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  Speaker 7: the state. It's very close to nature. We just don't
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  Speaker 7: hear bad things like this happening in this ideal midwestern town.
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  Speaker 7: And so I think with the comfort of living in
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  Speaker 7: a place like that, you don't necessarily think the worst
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  Speaker 7: is going to happen right there in your hometown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you're right, Gg McKelvey. It's got a
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  Speaker 1: pretty low, pretty low popular one hundred and thirty thousand.
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  Speaker 1: It is close to nature. That's what it's known for,
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  Speaker 1: the Missouri River. Not only that, it's got this extensive
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  Speaker 1: trail going through the city, very low crime rate. So
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  Speaker 1: Greg Morris, I don't totally well, I do blame the police,
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  Speaker 1: but I get where they're coming from. This type of
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  Speaker 1: case is very rare for them. So when it's an
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  Speaker 1: aberans then you don't you got to put on blinders,
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  Speaker 1: I guess would be a way to describe what happened
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  Speaker 1: at the get go, Greg, Well, that's.
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  Speaker 3: What happens again. The police don't want to spend resources.
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  Speaker 3: They think this is going to turn out fine. Another
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  Speaker 3: teenager that's met or went out late with their boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: or other friends.
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  Speaker 4: They'll come home in a day or two. That's the
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  Speaker 4: common way.
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  Speaker 3: This, you know, usually turns out for people, So that
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  Speaker 3: time is valuable. But police also know that most of
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  Speaker 3: these cases are going to turn out to be a
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  Speaker 3: teenager that comes home a day or two later. And
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  Speaker 3: this is very similar to an issue with law enforcement.
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  Speaker 3: If you recall the Cheshire murders in Connecticut. The police
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  Speaker 3: were outside that home and the reason why they didn't
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  Speaker 3: go in because it's an upscale neighborhood in Connecticut. They
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  Speaker 3: would never expect what happened in that home and the
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  Speaker 3: horrible things that the two perpetrators did to the family
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  Speaker 3: to happen.
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  Speaker 4: So they waited outside and more bad stuff happened.
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  Speaker 3: It's difficult for law enforcement to know when to jump.
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  Speaker 4: Into an investigation.
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  Speaker 3: Believe there's crime that's happening, and we have to get
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  Speaker 3: on it right away too.
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  Speaker 4: Let's see if this situation plays out. But time is.
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  Speaker 3: Valuable when people go missing, and that's the difficult dilemma here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know I heard Mark Klass describe it as
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  Speaker 1: sixty miles an hour. That's how quickly your child can
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  Speaker 1: get away, at the least sixty miles an hour if
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  Speaker 1: they're in a perpse car. So with that in mind,
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  Speaker 1: the dad originally tried to soothe himself by saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe she overslept, maybe she missed the bus and races home.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a psychological issue. Karen start, why is it
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  Speaker 1: that our minds are they trying to protect us? Don't
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  Speaker 1: go to oh, my stars, she's been kidnapped by a
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  Speaker 1: sex offender. She's going to die. We don't race to
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  Speaker 1: that conclusion. Her mind doesn't let us go there. He
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  Speaker 1: thought she overslept.
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  Speaker 5: Well, because it's such a horrible conclusion to come to, Nancy,
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  Speaker 5: I feel like people protect themselves. Actually, when it comes
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  Speaker 5: to something like that, you just don't want to believe,
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  Speaker 5: think about it, that something can happen to you, it
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  Speaker 5: happens to other people, until in fact it does happen
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  Speaker 5: to you. So it's really a good psychological defense.
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  Speaker 1: The dad comes home realizes that his little girl has
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  Speaker 1: not overslept, she hasn't missed the bus, Her cell phone
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  Speaker 1: and backpack are gone. He doesn't buy into she's just
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  Speaker 1: off for the little frint and reports her missing immediately.
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  Speaker 8: The Columbia, Missouri teen girl is immediately reported missing. Searches
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  Speaker 8: of the area turn up nothing, and her phone is
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  Speaker 8: not ping since the day of her disappearance. Investigators turned
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  Speaker 8: to interviewing her friends. Fellow students say the fifteen year
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  Speaker 8: old may have been talking to someone online.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that is significant that her phone has not pinged
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  Speaker 1: since the day she disappeared. Okay, straight back out to
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  Speaker 1: Todd Shipley cybercrime expert, explain, what does that mean that
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  Speaker 1: your phone doesn't ping?
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  Speaker 6: Well, it means that the phone was turned off and
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  Speaker 6: was not registering on a cell site someplace within the
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  Speaker 6: city that she would normally be near. So they were
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  Speaker 6: able to query those sites and find out that her
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  Speaker 6: cell phone wasn't registering on any location nearby the house,
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  Speaker 6: the school, wherever she normally was, and they couldn't find her.
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  Speaker 1: Explain what is a ping? Ba specific Todds.
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  Speaker 6: The ping is an electronic message from your phone to
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  Speaker 6: a cell tower to let it know that it's in
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  Speaker 6: the area so that it can receive information from the system.
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  Speaker 6: So you have to announce that you're in a location
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  Speaker 6: so that the data can be sent to your specific phone,
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  Speaker 6: and that ping allows the cell tower to say, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you're in this area, and I can send messages, phone calls,
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  Speaker 6: whatever to you know, the Internet to your phone and
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  Speaker 6: be able to identify where you're at. And so none
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  Speaker 6: of that was there because the phone was turned off.
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  Speaker 1: So can I put it in regular people talk? Todd Shipley,
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  Speaker 1: And this comes up so often in trials. Typically it's
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  Speaker 1: defense attorneys like you, Greg Morris, arguing that pings don't
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  Speaker 1: mean anything and we cannot rely on pings. But what
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  Speaker 1: pings are and I think we're going to see that,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, and the upcoming Brian Coberger trial a
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  Speaker 1: lot of digital and phone evidence, the evidence and the
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  Speaker 1: lack there of evidence such as him cutting off his phone,
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  Speaker 1: turning it off just before the murders, and then turning
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  Speaker 1: it back on just after the murders. So there's a
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  Speaker 1: lack of digital evidence at the time of the murders
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  Speaker 1: in this particular window. But Greg Morris, the defense attorneys
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  Speaker 1: like you who've won a lot of cases, have made
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  Speaker 1: it part of their repertoire to argue pings can't be
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  Speaker 1: relied upon. But it's really elementary. It's rudimentary. You turn
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  Speaker 1: your cell phone on and you get in the car too.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just pretend go to your son's soccer game, and
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  Speaker 1: as you pass cell towers, the signal emitted from your
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  Speaker 1: phone pings off or registers with those horribly ugly cell
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  Speaker 1: towers we pass. Some are decorated to look like a tree,
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  Speaker 1: a tree with really weird leaves, but the horrible ugly
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  Speaker 1: cell towers. Every time you pass one, your phone will
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  Speaker 1: connect with that cell tower. It's really not hard to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Yet somehow defense attorneys like you managed to obfuscate the
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  Speaker 1: simple truth. How do you do that? Morse?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because cell site location information and these pings you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about sure to see if a person's in a
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  Speaker 3: general area, is their phone on? Are they moving somewhere?
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  Speaker 1: But why why do you make it soell so mysterious,
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  Speaker 1: nors But it doesn't these pings you're talking about like
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  Speaker 1: it's mystical, magical, it's not so.
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  Speaker 3: The cell site tower from AT and T down the
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  Speaker 3: street from my house on the inner coastal was out,
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  Speaker 3: so my cell phone had to ping off of a
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  Speaker 3: different tower located further away from me.
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  Speaker 4: Once that tower was out.
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  Speaker 3: So let's suppose a progress so far's again how far
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  Speaker 3: that's my point.
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  Speaker 1: How far away was the other cell tower?
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  Speaker 4: It's still you're not getting location far away?
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  Speaker 1: Was it two miles? A mile?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how far away it is, but
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  Speaker 3: it checked it from my local Where you would I.
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  Speaker 1: Lie because that would ruin your argument if you said
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  Speaker 1: it was only one mile further.
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  Speaker 4: And if it was a mile, isn't a mile a
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  Speaker 4: big difference?
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  Speaker 1: Well that's how they do it. So what's suppose you
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  Speaker 1: mess your head up if you're on the jury.
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  Speaker 4: Let's suppose there's a crime on First Street in New York,
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  Speaker 4: But actually.
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  Speaker 3: I was on twentieth Street, but my phone pinged off
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  Speaker 3: the First Street tower. So now the police believe I
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  Speaker 3: was in the area of the murder even though I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't because cell site location information was misleading.
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  Speaker 1: Let me counter your argument with one word, triangulation. Have
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  Speaker 1: you heard that word? Okay, Shipley, don't go to deathcom
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  Speaker 1: for explain what triangulation means to totally destroy Morse's argument.
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  Speaker 6: The problem is he's mixing up the two things, the communication,
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  Speaker 6: the ping itself saying I'm here in your geolocation of
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  Speaker 6: where that phone is at or two very different things.
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  Speaker 6: And yes, it is very difficult to figure out exactly
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  Speaker 6: precisely where a person is through these pings, but that geolocation,
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  Speaker 6: that triangulation, we can narrow down a physical location where
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  Speaker 6: somebody is because talking to two cell towers is just
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  Speaker 6: simple math, and you have to figure out where it
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  Speaker 6: was and what angle it is because the towers, which
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  Speaker 6: most people don't know, have faces on them, and so
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  Speaker 6: which face of that cell tower did the ping come
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  Speaker 6: off of, So it knows a general location where it's
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  Speaker 6: coming from. Anyway, So you put two of those together
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  Speaker 6: and you can actually get a location or narrow it
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  Speaker 6: down to where that person was geographically in the area.
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  Speaker 9: If you know somebody who's missing and you get information
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  Speaker 9: or some type of connection with them and they have
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  Speaker 9: been off of you know, out of touch for a while,
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  Speaker 9: make sure you call law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A missing person's report is filed after a fifteen year
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  Speaker 2: old Missouri teen fails to show up to school one
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  Speaker 2: December morning. An intense investigation is launched, but the exhaustive
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  Speaker 2: searches yield little to no clues about the whereabouts of
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  Speaker 2: the missing teen. Her socials have gone silent and her
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  Speaker 2: phone has not pinged since her disappearance.
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  Speaker 1: Hold your horses, did everybody miss what we just reported?
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  Speaker 1: Investigators began after they hit a dead end, interviewing her
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  Speaker 1: little friends. The little friends say the teen may have
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  Speaker 1: been talking to someone online. Okay, to Titania and Jordan
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  Speaker 1: joining me, Chief parent officer at Bark, Parental Controls, author
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  Speaker 1: of Parenting and a Tech World. Now, this is how
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  Speaker 1: I found out about Bark, which led me to Titoya.
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  Speaker 1: We got BARK and put it on the children's cell phones.
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  Speaker 1: It picks up words like scary words like sex, I
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  Speaker 1: want to see you naked, send me nudes, hurt myself? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's so sensitive, and this is not an AD. It's
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  Speaker 1: so sensitive. I got an alert. You have an alert
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  Speaker 1: on your son John David's phone. Well, I nearly did
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  Speaker 1: a backlip because he never does anything wrong. Knock on
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  Speaker 1: wood product. So I looked it up and it said
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  Speaker 1: self harm on my six foot six, two hundred and
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  Speaker 1: something pounds. Soun self harm. You wouldn't expect that, right.
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  Speaker 1: I looked at what it was. He's a soccer goalie
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  Speaker 1: and he had made a really good dive. I saw
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  Speaker 1: it happen where he's basically horizontal catching the ball and
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  Speaker 1: his arm went through the net and he got a
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  Speaker 1: big bruise right here. But he was so proud he
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  Speaker 1: showed off the bruise, saying, I save the goal. Right.
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  Speaker 1: It was so sensitive that it picked up the bruise
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  Speaker 1: on his arm and alerted me the other day, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna laugh about this part to Tanya. I
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  Speaker 1: got an alert on John Dave. It's never Losey's phone,
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  Speaker 1: It's always John David's phone. And I looked it up
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  Speaker 1: and it said disturbing blah blah blah nature. Guess what
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  Speaker 1: it was? The Nancy Gray Show crime stories about some
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  Speaker 1: victim having been kidnapped and killed. And he subscribes to
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  Speaker 1: our I guess YouTube, And he picked up the banner
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube. Luckily he had not opened it. But still,
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  Speaker 1: that is how sensitive Bart is. Now that aside, that's
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  Speaker 1: how I found Titania. Titania red flag waving. Listen on
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  Speaker 1: this investigators speak to her little friends. They say she
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  Speaker 1: may have been talking to someone online. Translation, she is
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  Speaker 1: talking to someone online, someone she kept secret from her dad.
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  Speaker 1: That's what that means so online secret take it on.
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  Speaker 10: No parent thinks that this will happen to their child,
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  Speaker 10: But when you know that rate at which predators are
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  Speaker 10: online engaging with children, you can't not think that it
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  Speaker 10: could be your child. You have to be prepared, You
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  Speaker 10: have to be monitoring. You have to take easy steps
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  Speaker 10: like don't allow connected tech in their bedrooms overnight behind
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  Speaker 10: closed doors. If you do give your child tech, make
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  Speaker 10: sure it's safer tech that will proactively alert you when
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  Speaker 10: creepy older men and sex offenders are trying to engage
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  Speaker 10: with your child, which the bark phone does.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing, and again I'm not pushing Mark.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know exactly what to do, like what
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  Speaker 1: do you do? Gorab their phone and run off with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a physical thing to jump on them and take
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  Speaker 1: their phone away, which I have done. It's not easy,
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  Speaker 1: and run away with it. Lock yourself in the bathroom
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  Speaker 1: and try to scroll through their stuff. Okay, no, something
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  Speaker 1: like a net nanny like bart to me, that's an
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  Speaker 1: easy way to do it, so you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: scroll through their phone and look for what you don't
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  Speaker 1: even know what you're looking for. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: this particular app, Boo Boo. It's a dating friendship app
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  Speaker 1: and it allows completely anonymous trolling. You know, where you
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  Speaker 1: look for a friend or a love interest. As a
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  Speaker 1: matter of fact, this little girl had signed up for Boo.
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  Speaker 11: Listen, a Columbia, Missouri girl signs up for Boo, a
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  Speaker 11: popular dating and friendship app that matches users based on
• 19:56
  Speaker 11: common personality markers like zodiac signs, any types, and the
• 20:01
  Speaker 11: results of an in app personality quiz. When she hits
• 20:04
  Speaker 11: it off with another user, the two moved to Snapchat
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: and develop a romantic relationship through texts, pictures, videos, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 11: audio messages. After a month of chatting, the teen's online
• 20:15
  Speaker 11: bow desperately wants to meet her in person.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's really interesting about the Boo at Titanya,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: is it actually looks like a game. I don't know
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: if you remember the missus pac Man and pac Man
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: games video games, some of the first ones. These little
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: creatures look like them, like the little pac Man creatures,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And it looks like see that right there. It looks
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: like a little game where you quote meet new people.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: It looks so inviting and so harmless, doesn't it?
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: To Tanya?
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  Speaker 10: It sure does. I'm actually pulling up the app Store
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: now to see what it's rated, because there is no
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: governing body that mandates that people who submit their apps
• 21:03
  Speaker 10: to the App Store are accurate, right, It's up to
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: each app maker to rate. That Also a good thing
• 21:11
  Speaker 10: to know. Whether you're using Bark or Apple screen Time
• 21:15
  Speaker 10: or Google Family Link, you can get alerted to when
• 21:18
  Speaker 10: your child downloads an app, so you can go and
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: look it up. Just like you wouldn't drop them off
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: at an international airport all alone. Don't let them encounter
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: everyone in the world and all the content ever created
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: online without you understanding the portal through which they're doing.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: So okay, so now you're telling me, I neede an
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: app that tells me every time the twins download an
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: app on their phone. Is that what you just said.
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: If you don't have Bark, you have Bark, so we
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: will alert you when your child has downloaded a problematic app.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, and so listen to this, Karen Stark. Okay, this
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: is going to make Karen Stark and Todd Shipley do
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: a backflip. Okay, try to stay seated. So it connects
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you with friends online based on a romantic relationship based
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: on an in app personality quiz What sex offender can't
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: lie on that? Okay? Zodiac signs integram types a quiz
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Zodiac signs. You know how many times we have covered
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: cases where a registered sex offender, or probably even worse,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: a sex offender that's not registered so we don't even
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: know he's lurking, goes on to chat rooms, goes onto
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: apps like Boo kick Snapchat. We saw it in the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Delphi double murders of Abby and Libby, two cute little
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: girls in Delphi, and that was the false lead in
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the case before Richard Allen was identified, where they had
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: been online talking to a catfish stereotypical creepy dude, but
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: he was posing. He had put a picture on there
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of some buff young guy that kind of looked like
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a tattoo list Justin Bieber, who was a real person.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: He was using that person's photo to lure little girls
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and get them to send naked photos or topless photos
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: of themselves, trying to hook up with them. Remember that freak. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: so you can put any picture you want online, you
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: can lie and you're zodiac quiz and get hooked up
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: with a little girl like this little girl zodiac quiz
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: my rear.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: End, Nancy, this isn't really really and I can't emphasize
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: enough important for parents to know because an act like this,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: and there are others, it really is a playground for
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: someone who's a predator. They are in heaven because they
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: could ask who they are, and they could start the
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: rooming process, which means that they begin to insert themselves
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: into the child's life. They act like they're a friend
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: to confident they understand everything that they're saying, and they
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: become important, especially to a child, a teenager maybe who's
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: feeling unhappy alone and needs to find a friend.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? To Tanya Jordan,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the zodiac quiz that apparently united this little girl with
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a registered sex offender. Here's the thing.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: The Boo app and many other apps are rated seventeen plus.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: It tells you right there in the app store, But
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: any child can go in and lie about the year
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: they were born and get immediate access.
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  Speaker 1: Problem number one.
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: Problem number two, as there are no current laws to
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: hold these companies accountable. The laws meant to protect children
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: online have not been updated since nineteen ninety eight, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: so acts like the Kids Online Safety Act that are
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: still stalled and have by partisan support, could actually hold
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: these platforms accountable and prevent children from being harmed, whether
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: it's on Snapchat, Boo or the next thing that pops up.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And little did this Dad, A loving dad know that
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: about five hundred miles away, a registered sex offender was
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: wooing his little girl online.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Columbia, Missouri, a father receives a call from his daughter's
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: high school. His fifteen year old daughter never showed up
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to class that morning. Calls to the team's cell go unanswered,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and when dad rushes home to check on her, he
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: finds the home empty, his daughter nowhere in sight, appearance.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Worst nightmare. You think maybe she ever slept, maybe she
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: ah this, that the other thing. And you get home
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and find out none of that is true and your
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: girl is missing. At the same time, this is what
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: we learned.
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  Speaker 12: In the early morning hours of December sixth, twenty twenty four,
• 25:56
  Speaker 12: the forty four year old man the Columbia teen met
• 25:59
  Speaker 12: on Boo to Missouri in a rental car and picks
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: her up. Before going anywhere, he breaks her cell phone.
• 26:05
  Speaker 12: The man then drives her eleven hours to a home
• 26:08
  Speaker 12: in Fort Collins, Colorado. To avoid detection, the man wraps
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: the teen in a blanket to carry her inside the house.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So many facts jumping out right there, A forty four
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: year old registered sex offender who meets the little girl
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: on the Boo Oh My Stars. Him meets a little
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: girl on the boo app drives all the way from
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Colorado to Missouri in a rental car. So wait a minute,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: right there, Greg Morse, in a rental car. He doesn't
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: even take his own vehicle. He has a car, So
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: why does he use a rental car to hide his
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: movements so it won'ts show up on his NAV system
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: or so his car won't be identified at toll stops
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: or by licensed grabbers? Right there, I'm forming intent as
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: we speak, Greg Morse.
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  Speaker 3: Well, a rental car, you know, doesn't prove he sexually
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: battered the girl. It doesn't prove he kidnapped her. It
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: doesn't prove any of those things. People use rental cars
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: all the time. If this was a drug case, I'd say, okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: it's pretty common that people use rental cars to commit
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: drug transactions. At least that's been my experience in twenty
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: five years. This is a case where a rental car
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: is just a rental car. It doesn't add any evidence
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: one way or the other to the crimes that this
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: person's charged with.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Not at all, of.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Course, of course, Greg Morse, you think that proves nothing
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that he went to the trouble of using a rental car.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I would argue to a jury to hide evidence of
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: his whereabouts. But it's early reminiscent of the case of
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: a young girl, Sophia Martin Franklin, who was let me
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: just say, romancing a much older man like this guy.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: In her case, the guy's forty nearly forty one years old.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: Sophia makes a new online friend as she finishes up
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: her sophomore year. Sophia's friend pushes her to meet in person,
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: but there's two big problems. He lives in Arkansas and
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: he's a forty year old man.
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: Gary Day is four years into a six year probation
• 28:18
  Speaker 11: sentence and is used to surprise visits from his probation officer.
• 28:22
  Speaker 11: But in December, the forty year old seems extremely nervous
• 28:25
  Speaker 11: when the officer stops by, the supervisor also catches a
• 28:28
  Speaker 11: glimpse of a woman running out the back door. She
• 28:31
  Speaker 11: is just sixteen years old and from Wisconsin. Sophia's sister
• 28:35
  Speaker 11: spots days buick idling a block down the street while
• 28:38
  Speaker 11: she calls police. A family member goes to check on
• 28:41
  Speaker 11: Sophia and finds her room empty. The Franklins immediately report
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: Sophia missing.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So this young girl pregnant with a forty year old
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: sex offenders child, he drives multi states from Arkansas to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin to abduct her. I mean, GG McKelvey, you and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I investigated this case together. GG, journalist host of Pretty
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Lies and Alibis, which shows sex offenders registered or not,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: will go to great, great links to get their target. GG.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's nothing that will stand in anybody's way when
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: they have their site set on somebody basy as vulnerable
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: and somebody they can manipulate and convince them to come
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: with them. It's happening almost every single day. I mean,
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: at this point, I'm ready to get my kid a
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: flip phone and not even let her get online in
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: the big bad online apps like do that are not
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: monitoring sex offenders. And at the same rate, do we
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: need to change the way we monitor sex offenders from
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: a law enforcement perspective. To monitor Internet, you should it
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: be mandatory every single convicted sex offender has their Internet monitored.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: Do we have the manpower? If not, we need to
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: get it because our kids are getting hurt, they're getting killed,
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: They're being traumatized for life by these men who have
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: their site set on these kids, who, for the most part,
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: in some way are very vulnerable and too trusting.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: You know, Tad Shipley gg McKelvey just says something really interesting.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you that the computer activity, the online activity
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: of registered sex offenders is not monitored, but it would
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: not require a fleet of human bodies doing it. It
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: could be something like a net nanny, like a bark
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: for sex offenders. Every time their phone pops up with
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: an undesirable word like send nudes anything of that nature,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: and alert would go off. But you know, now that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it, Shipley, we can't even keep up
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: with registered sex offenders and where they live, much less
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: was happening on their cell phones. But isn't that kind
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of an idea.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, certainly it is. But I mean keeping in
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: you know, the back of your mind that we have
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: to know where they're at, We have to have to
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: know what devices they have. We have to have a
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: court order to be able to do that because it
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: depends on the probation or the No.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: You don't need a court order. It could be a
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: stipulation of their.
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: Station, of course, but you still have to have that
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: in place. I mean, my writing partner in my last
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: books was a probation officer, and that was always the
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: frustration at the pible level that they had was how
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: they monitored these people, and it wasn't consistent across the country.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: One area did it very well, one area didn't do
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: it at all. And that becomes the problem, and that
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: these guys figure that out, and they work through these
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: loopholes and figure out what they can and can't do.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: Because I can go down to Walgreens and buy a phone,
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: I don't need, you know, if I give you the
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: phone that I've got the monitor, they.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Just have to go get a burner phone. You're exactly
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: right to Shipley. It's like stomping out a roach. You
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: get one, there's fifty more hiding behind your potted plant.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Karen start the compulsion of sex offenders that attack children.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Most of us don't understand it. It took me a
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: long time prosecuting them to get it through my head.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to understand and stop trying to understand.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: You don't have to understand their motivation to prove the case,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: but out of curiosity. This compulsion is so strong they
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: will drive across the country to get to their target victim.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: That's the truth, and they will take incredible risks, Nancy,
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: when it comes to law enforcement, just to be able
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: to fulfill their desires. You have to understand that these people,
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: they see children as objects that they can control. They
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: find all kinds of excuses. Sometimes they even say that,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: for instance, the teenager was a true to them. Because
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: they need to fulfill their fantasy and desire to bet
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: with children or teenagers, they can't stop themselves. They will
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: do anything to be able to keep going, and they
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: escalate over time, which is important to know.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Statistics show that once the seventy two hour mark has
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: been reached, very often the child victim is dead, leaving
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: no evidence behind. Luckily, our friend and colleague Alicia kazy
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Kevitch survived a scenario just like this one.
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: Between dinner and dessert, I vanished. I walked outside of
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: my house to meet somebody who I thought was my
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: friend and he kidnaped me, and he took me from Peta, Pennsylvania,
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: to Virginia and held me captive in his basement dungeons.
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: Even though it's been all these vieered, it's so very
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: difficult to talk about.
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: You said, I'm.
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: Beginning to like you too much. Tonight, We're going to
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: go for a ride. And I knew that was clearly
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: a threat. And what I had been doing to try
• 34:09
  Speaker 13: to humanize myself was working too well, and he was
• 34:11
  Speaker 13: becoming attached. So he was going to have to end
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: my life sooner.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 34:28
  Speaker 12: In the early morning hours of December sixth, twenty twenty four,
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: the forty four year old man the Columbia teen met
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: On Boo, drives to Missouri and picks her up. Before
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: going anywhere, he breaks her cell phone. The man then
• 34:40
  Speaker 12: drives her eleven hours to a home in Fort Collins, Colorado.
• 34:43
  Speaker 12: To avoid detection, the man wraps the teen in a
• 34:46
  Speaker 12: blanket to carry her inside the house.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, red flag. There he wraps her up in a
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: blanket to take her in so his roommates don't see her.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: To JJ McKelvey joining us host of Pretty Lies and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Alibi's podcast. The little girl becomes terrified because he tells
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: her his roommates can't know she's there. He then takes
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: her drivers permit and her little student id tells her
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: she's not allowed to leave the room. Then he turns
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: on a sound machine to cover up what's happening in
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: that bedroom between the two of them, so the roommates
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: can't hear. No wonder she's afraid, Gigi.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: It's terrifying. Nancy. You have to wonder at that point,
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: what is she thinking. I mean, there are people just
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: outside those doors that could get her to safety. But
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: I'm sure this man has got her so scared. If
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: she makes a peep, who knows did he say he would.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Kill her, what he would do to her.
• 35:47
  Speaker 7: But to know that there are people just a room
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: or two away, and you have to be quiet so
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: you're not found. This poor child is going to need
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: therapy for the rest of her life to overcome the
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: trauma she has endured with everything this man has put
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: her through. And the fact that he's doing these sound
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: machines and he's avoiding tolls, it all shows he is
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: avoiding being caught because he knows what he did was wrong,
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: I mean to drive that distance alone. Nancy blows my mind.
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: It shows the intent clear as day, what he wanted
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: to do with that innocent young girl.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: The forty four year old man tells his team girlfriend
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: it isn't safe for her to leave his room, but
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: reluctantly agrees to take her out if she dyes her
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: hair and wears large sunglasses. But occasional outings quickly turned
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: to forced labor. The man makes the girl work for
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: his snow shoveling company alongside paid employees, wearing a mask
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: to conceal her age and identity.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: God Shipley, did you hear that? He makes her dye
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: her hair and wear large sunglasses, then puts her outside
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: in a mask under threat, and this is molesting her
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at night, puts her outside in the cold to work
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: for his snow removal company, shoveling sidewalks in roads, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the girl can't get in touch with her dad or
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: anybody else.
• 37:12
  Speaker 6: Of course, he's manipulated her into a situation where she
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: believes she's not free to go, and so he watches her,
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: He guides her, He ensures that she does exactly what
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: he wants, so she's in fear the whole time she's there.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: The fantasy of what originally started rapidly went away as
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: he's controlling everything that she does.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: But then a break in the case more than four
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: months after.
• 37:39
  Speaker 11: The Missouri teen convinces the man to give her a
• 37:42
  Speaker 11: cell phone to help pass the time while she sits
• 37:44
  Speaker 11: in his room alone. The man sets up one of
• 37:47
  Speaker 11: his old phones for her, believing the device is too
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: old to access social media, but the team manages to
• 37:53
  Speaker 11: download Instagram and access her account. The girl messages a
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: friend for help, saying she's in another state and go
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: straight to police.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Once that Instagram is sent. And remember the perp thought
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: she couldn't use a flip phone as a portal to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the Internet. He was wrong to take us immediately began
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: working on identifying the location of the IP address listen.
• 38:16
  Speaker 12: The Missouri Cybercrimes Task Force immediately gets to work tracing
• 38:19
  Speaker 12: the IP address used to send the Instagram messages. The
• 38:22
  Speaker 12: Missouri task Force reaches out to Fort Collins, Colorado Police
• 38:24
  Speaker 12: cybercrime unit, believing they've pinpointed the address where the girl
• 38:28
  Speaker 12: is being held. Maximilian Bond Rescue, who should be registered
• 38:31
  Speaker 12: as a sex offender lives at the home. Bond Rescue
• 38:34
  Speaker 12: failed to update his registration, so Fort Collins police have
• 38:37
  Speaker 12: no problem securing a search warrant for the home on
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: Warre and Landing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: Backed by a swat team. Fort Collins police speak with
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: in bond Rescue at his home. Bond Rescue denies knowledge
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: of a missing Missouri girl and says officers may find
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: an adult female in the home, but certainly not a miner. However,
• 38:53
  Speaker 8: officers searching the home open a closet door and Bond
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: Rescue's bedroom and find a naked girl cowering inside. The
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: girl identifies herself as the Columbia teen officers are looking
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: for her. Confiscated ID cards are also found in the home.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: This is so disturbing it mirrors a case I personally
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: investigated and covered. I always called her the Girl and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: the Pink Hat Jessica Lunsford. This little girl goes missing,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: cops immediately start looking for her. I befriended her dad.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We worked together. As it turns out, one of the
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: homes the police canvassed was where she was ultimately found,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: but originally when cops went there, they didn't see her.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: She was being kept prisoner in a closet by killer
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  Speaker 1: John Evander Cooey. Cooeye had been molesting her the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: The girl in the pink hat, Jessica Lunsford, was buried
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  Speaker 1: alive and died that way. When cops first came to
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  Speaker 1: his door, he was living with relatives in a mobile home.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't let them in. Fully, they didn't look in
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  Speaker 1: other words, they didn't look in closets. Thank god, in
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  Speaker 1: this case, the case in chief l E looked in
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  Speaker 1: the closets. To you, Gig McKelvey, thanked God. They looked
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: in the closets and just didn't take his word for
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  Speaker 1: it like what happened in Jessica's case. What happened, Yeah, I.
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: Mean, thank goodness they looked in the closet, because every
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  Speaker 7: one of these young people that are taken this way
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  Speaker 7: have the risk of becoming another Jessica Lunsford. These people
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  Speaker 7: have no respect for the law and no respect for children,
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  Speaker 7: no respect for humanity in general, and the You know,
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  Speaker 7: these investigations have to be so precise when you have
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  Speaker 7: a missing child, because missing one small detail like a closet,
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: could be the biggest clue in the whole case, which
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: is your victim and so I think when they go
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  Speaker 7: in to look for these kids, you have to turn
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  Speaker 7: everything over and consider and think, like the perpetrator, where
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  Speaker 7: would you hide this child if law enforcement came knocking.
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  Speaker 7: Because we can't have kids that are killed and buried
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  Speaker 7: alive because the investigation or the search forant wasn't executed fully.
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  Speaker 7: It's a disservice to these victims and it's just careless.
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  Speaker 7: And we saw that in the Jessica Lunsford case.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, however, night and day comparison, the little
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  Speaker 1: girl is found naked, cowering but alive, fear but alive.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: The case is not over. The state is building its evidence.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about this case.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: If you were a worker in the snow removal company
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  Speaker 1: that he owns, it's called faux Co snow Go, a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: snow removal service in Fort Collins, Colorado, if you saw
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  Speaker 1: them en route, if you know anything at all, the
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  Speaker 1: state needs you nine seven zero four one six to
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: zero two six. He was let off the hook before
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  Speaker 1: and was required to register for life as a sex offender,
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  Speaker 1: yet he got his hands on this little girl. I
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  Speaker 1: want him behind bars for the rest of his life.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you Tip line nine seven zero four one six
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  Speaker 1: two zero two six. Thank you to our guest, but
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  Speaker 1: especially to you for being with us. Good Night friend,
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  Speaker 1: m HM.