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The Week That Was (11 December 2020) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: Now it is time for the week that was and
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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning. We've got the
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Speaker 1: opposition leader, Leofanocchiaro, Good.
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Speaker 2: Morning, good money. We've got Maddie Hepworth, our news director, good.
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Speaker 3: Morning, wanting Katy morning all and making.
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Speaker 2: Her week that was debut.
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Speaker 1: We've got the Attorney General of the Northern Territory and
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Speaker 1: also the Minister for Corrections and a couple of other things.
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Speaker 2: I believe Selena Rubo.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, wanting Katie. Good morning to your listeners.
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Speaker 1: Great to have you all in the studio with us
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Speaker 1: this morning. And I tell you what, it's always a
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Speaker 1: busy week, There's no doubt about it. I do just
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Speaker 1: want to go to some news which has broken this morning.
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Speaker 1: Though we know that there's a serious crash that's occurred
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Speaker 1: on the Stuart Highway in Catherine. There are traffic diversions
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Speaker 1: in place, including southbound heavy vehicles being diverted along the
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Speaker 1: Victoria Highway. Southbound light vehicles are being diverted via Lindsay
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Speaker 1: Street onto Charmers Drive. Now all northbound traffic is being
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Speaker 1: diverted via bi Centennial Road, so if possible, please avoid
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Speaker 1: the area. The crash is currently under investigation and please
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Speaker 1: drive safe and to the conditions.
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Speaker 2: Maddie. You might have a little bit more detail for
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Speaker 2: us from this morning.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, reporting on this a little bit earlier
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Speaker 3: this morning, a rather horrific incident where a car has
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Speaker 3: collided with a light pole. Now as I understand that
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Speaker 3: car has actually caught fire. After that's happened, police managed
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Speaker 3: to extract both the driver and the front passenger. Fieries
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Speaker 3: were then actually called to extract the two rear passengers.
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Speaker 3: They were flown to Darwin in a critical condition as well.
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Speaker 3: So that's the latest we have at this stage. If
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Speaker 3: any further information comes to hand, particularly on those two
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Speaker 3: critical passengers flown to Darwin, we'll bring that to.
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Speaker 2: You, Maddie.
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Speaker 1: Do we have any idea at this stage from the
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Speaker 1: watch commander the ages of the people involved in that
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Speaker 1: crash or what you know, any further detail at all.
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Speaker 3: No, No, I did ask that this morning. I also
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Speaker 3: asked whether the vehicle was stolen or not police so
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Speaker 3: there was no reports of any stolen vehicles overnight. But
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Speaker 3: I know that major Crash unit from Darwin are actually
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Speaker 3: traveling down to Catherine to investigate that further.
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Speaker 2: Today Selena.
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Speaker 1: Obviously it's near your neck of the woods. Have you
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Speaker 1: heard much about this incident at this stage.
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Speaker 5: No, I haven't, Katie, but thank you for the update.
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Speaker 5: I'll make sure if i'd. My network's a bit concerned because.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I live.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely we'll find some more information.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it's pretty pretty scary stuff and I believe
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Speaker 1: we are going to be catching up with the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory Police, hopefully just after ten o'clock this morning, to
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Speaker 1: get an update on that situation.
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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of the.
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Speaker 1: Police, we did catch up with them earlier in the week,
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Speaker 1: following on from a number of people being assaulted and
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Speaker 1: cars smashed, as well as shops damaged in a rock
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Speaker 1: throwing attack in Darwin City. Now, this incident happened at
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Speaker 1: Woolworth's Darwin City around three on Tuesday afternoon. It comes
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Speaker 1: after a good samaritan attempted to intervene in the assault.
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Speaker 1: The offenders returned a short time later, then throwing rocks
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Speaker 1: at the man and innocent bystanders in that shopping center.
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Speaker 1: As I said, several car and shop windows were smashed
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Speaker 1: and a seventeen year old male was arrested before being
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Speaker 1: released into the care of a family member, as I
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Speaker 1: understand that police are still searching for another two sixteen
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Speaker 1: year old offenders. Look, I think that this one took
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Speaker 1: everybody by surprise, given the fact that it happens so
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Speaker 1: like at three o'clock in the afternoon on a day
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Speaker 1: when you know, many of us go to that shopping
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Speaker 1: center and you know, whether you've got kids or you don't,
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Speaker 1: you go there at that time of the afternoon to
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Speaker 1: do your shopping.
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Speaker 2: And it seemed like a really brazen and terrible incident.
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Speaker 6: It was unbelievable, Katie.
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Speaker 7: I mean, someone sent it to me whilst I was
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Speaker 7: in estimates, and certainly I asked the Police Minister and
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Speaker 7: Police Commissioner about the incident on the Tuesday. But you know,
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Speaker 7: this type of offending, the severity and the violent nature
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Speaker 7: of the offending we're seeing is quite frankly scaring the
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Speaker 7: bejeepers out of people.
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Speaker 6: You know, Like we've gone from being worried.
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Speaker 7: About crime, worried about being broken into and generally taking
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Speaker 7: precautions for our own homes, to now seriously thinking twice
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Speaker 7: about leaving the house. I mean, it's out of control.
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Speaker 7: Our police have done a great job, but again, the
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Speaker 7: brazen nature of it. This happened in broad daylight a
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Speaker 7: few meters down the road from police headquarters. You know,
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Speaker 7: it's just this government has to start taking tougher measures
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Speaker 7: to act as as stronger deterrent so that people know
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Speaker 7: there are consequences if you do the wrong thing.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, it certainly doesn't you know, it doesn't bode
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Speaker 1: well when you you know, you put together some of
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Speaker 1: the incidents that we're seeing all around the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: at the moment. I know, Alice Springs, well, the council's
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Speaker 1: actually calling on the government to consider the Alice Springs Well,
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Speaker 1: they've voted to call on the government to take further
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Speaker 1: steps to address the town's crime problems.
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Speaker 2: That's what's being reported in the NT news today.
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Speaker 1: We know, we've spoken for quite some time about the
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Speaker 1: issues being faced in Alice, but there's also been you know,
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Speaker 1: people in the rural area, we know in Karama as well,
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Speaker 1: and there is a real perception that it is youths
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Speaker 1: that are doing the wrong thing. I mean, Selena, do
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Speaker 1: we need to really take a look at the way
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Speaker 1: that we're dealing with youths at the moment and try
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Speaker 1: to do things differently.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, something that we're committed to in regards to the
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Speaker 5: reform and youth justice. We know that one crime is
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Speaker 5: one crime too many, and we don't want any territory
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Speaker 5: and to feel unsafe, whether it is in their own home,
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Speaker 5: whether it's out doing their daily business or in their workplace.
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Speaker 4: It's absolutely a borran behavior.
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Speaker 5: When we see incidents like the recent one that you've
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Speaker 5: just outlined, what I can say, we know that is
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Speaker 5: a whole of government approach, something that we need to take.
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Speaker 4: Responsibility of of government, which is what we're doing.
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Speaker 5: We have various agencies working across together because we want
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Speaker 5: the territory to be safe. We want people in the
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Speaker 5: territory to be safe, and particularly our visitors to the
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Speaker 5: territory to feel safe. So it is a big body
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Speaker 5: of work and it's something we're committed to.
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Speaker 4: Katie Le.
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Speaker 1: There was a lot of questions that you asked during
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Speaker 1: parliamentary estimates, specifically a lot of questions I think about
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Speaker 1: about you when they're on parole and you know some
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Speaker 1: of the concerns that members of the public have about
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Speaker 1: that parole well, you know the parole legislation. Did you
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Speaker 1: get many of the answers to the questions.
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Speaker 6: No, we didn't.
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Speaker 7: And just going back to Selena's point, No, the government
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Speaker 7: this week in estimates talked a lot about this interagency cooperation.
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Speaker 7: But when it came to the crunch when I asked,
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Speaker 7: you know, I asked you, Selena, a set of questions.
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Speaker 7: I asked the Police Minister of the same set of questions,
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Speaker 7: and we asked the Territory Families Minister the same set
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Speaker 7: of questions. They all pointed to each other as being
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Speaker 7: the ones who could answer the question.
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Speaker 5: Just correctingly that I did answer the two sections that
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Speaker 5: were related to my departure, yes, and directed you to
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Speaker 5: the correct that's right, but again the correct department.
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Speaker 7: The department you said is the correct one then said
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Speaker 7: it was yours. So you know, I really question and
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Speaker 7: challenge this concept of the interagency cooperation. Also it came
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Speaker 7: to like in me answering questions about how many youths
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Speaker 7: have been arrested, how many who were arrested were bailed,
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Speaker 7: how many have been convicted. A lot of the answers
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Speaker 7: I got from the three different ministers who were asked
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Speaker 7: talked about having to get manual data. Now this is
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Speaker 7: a real problem. It shows that the government isn't actually
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Speaker 7: tracking the meaningful data because they have to literally flip
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Speaker 7: through spreadsheets to try and work out who's repeat offending.
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Speaker 1: So do you mean that if there is if there
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Speaker 1: is a young person who's in the care of Territory Families,
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Speaker 1: let's say, and there is an offense committee, that there
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Speaker 1: is no way of them being able to track that.
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Speaker 1: The police, the Territory Families, the Justice Department of being
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Speaker 1: able to actually track that online.
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Speaker 2: It's all done manually.
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Speaker 6: No, it's not all done manually.
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Speaker 7: They obviously they collect a lot of data, but data
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Speaker 7: around repeat offending and so how many times someone's arrested
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Speaker 7: in one twenty four hour period, how many times someone reoffended,
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Speaker 7: or during a certain timeframe, how many people were successful
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Speaker 7: in their diversion or otherwise. A lot of that data
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Speaker 7: has to be manually cross checked across the system.
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Speaker 8: I mean.
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Speaker 7: One other thing that came to light, which I found
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Speaker 7: unbelievable is the fact that if there's a breach of
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Speaker 7: bail by someone in the you know, territory Families under
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Speaker 7: youth just looking after that person, they're contacted by the
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Speaker 7: electronic monitoring company and then they ring one three one
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Speaker 7: triple four to let police know about the breach of bail. Now,
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Speaker 7: that doesn't smack of agency cooperation to me, and I
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Speaker 7: found that really astonishing. That breach of bail is a
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Speaker 7: process where it's run through to the one three one
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Speaker 7: number and then left for police to action. So I
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Speaker 7: think there's a lot of work that still needs to
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Speaker 7: be done in this space.
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Speaker 2: It sounds like there needs to be some work in
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Speaker 2: that space.
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Speaker 5: Is absolutely Katie already years we know that we inherited
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Speaker 5: a dysfunctional youth justice system when we came to.
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Speaker 4: Government twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 5: Our Labor government's been working extremely hard to bring those
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Speaker 5: agencies together.
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Speaker 4: There was a very.
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Speaker 5: Concise and informative answer from our very hard working public
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Speaker 5: service about our statistic system and in terms of the
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Speaker 5: database and why it may take time. The questions that
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Speaker 5: were asked by the COLP opposition were quite specific, so
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Speaker 5: we want to make sure, of course we're answering the
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Speaker 5: correct information, which is why we it may take time
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Speaker 5: to answer those But there was a very concise explanation
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Speaker 5: for the reason why we put those codes in and
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Speaker 5: get that data. So I hope the opposition leader was listening,
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Speaker 5: because she wasn't in the room at the time.
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Speaker 6: Oh well, can I just be saying.
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Speaker 5: About information, because when we're asking specifics, we want to
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Speaker 5: be open and transparent and accountable for that.
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Speaker 4: But the database that we have we are improving.
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Speaker 5: We're also working out my agency across with police for
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Speaker 5: a new improve I think it's one hundred million dollars
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Speaker 5: in the new serve pro system which is being worked
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Speaker 5: through with three different agencies, so we can have that
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Speaker 5: data at hand and that it's it doesn't take a
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Speaker 5: lengthy time to access.
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Speaker 7: On the questions I asked, Katie, I asked these questions
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Speaker 7: in Parliament a month ago. I have been publicly on
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Speaker 7: the record in a number of forums, including in Parliament,
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Speaker 7: saying these are the questions I'm going to ask in estimates,
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Speaker 7: Bob Ready, I've asked a a witness, you know, I
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Speaker 7: asked them. I tried to ask the Chief Minister about crime.
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Speaker 7: He wouldn't answer a single question. I then asked the
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Speaker 7: Police Minister my question. She wasn't ready with the answer.
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Speaker 7: She had to take them on notice. I then asked you, Selena,
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Speaker 7: the questions you answered a couple. The rest were either
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Speaker 7: on notice or diverted to territory. Families we asked territory
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Speaker 7: families again and I think from memory they were all
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Speaker 7: taken on notice, including the question around how many youth
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Speaker 7: in the care of territory families have been arrested. So
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Speaker 7: if people aren't tracking this type of data, it shows
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Speaker 7: a complete lack of will to want to understand and
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Speaker 7: get to the bottom of the question.
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Speaker 4: Back, Katie, the data is being tracked.
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Speaker 5: The specifics of the questions that were asked in estimates
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Speaker 5: are the answers that are being taken on how.
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Speaker 6: Are you not ready?
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Speaker 7: How are you guys not ready for those five or
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Speaker 7: six questions I asked, I mean i'd asked them so.
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Speaker 1: To me, the skeptic in me thinks that it may
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Speaker 1: not be a situation where they're not ready, but it
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Speaker 1: may be a situation where it may be a feeling
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Speaker 1: for the government that the answers aren't overly palatable to
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Speaker 1: the public.
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Speaker 5: No, the data is there and the specifics will be answered.
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Speaker 5: So it takes a bit of time, as we mentioned,
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Speaker 5: because the systems aren't all aligned.
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Speaker 4: That's a bigger body of work that we're working on
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Speaker 4: in government.
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Speaker 7: I want to bet that the questions come out over
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Speaker 7: Christmas in New Years when the government thanks, everyone's too
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Speaker 7: busy having Christmas.
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Speaker 5: Partitions will come when the time and response deadline before
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Speaker 5: I'll be waiting.
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Speaker 2: Madie, what were you going to say? Mate?
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Speaker 3: We obviously report on crime and numbers and statistics every day.
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Speaker 3: It's part of the news cycle. And what I've noticed
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Speaker 3: over the last few years is you get probably every
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Speaker 3: six to twelve months, we get to a point where
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Speaker 3: things reach boiling point and the public get really frustrated
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Speaker 3: and they've had enough. And I think the rock throwing
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Speaker 3: incident in the middle of the day probably.
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Speaker 4: Reached the peak of that.
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Speaker 3: And I think what's been unfortunate for the government this
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Speaker 3: week is with a lack of answers around some of
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Speaker 3: those questions and estimates, that is now fueling more of
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Speaker 3: that anger at the moment.
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Speaker 1: And one of the big things that comes up very
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Speaker 1: regularly is parole and whether that does sorry bail, whether
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Speaker 1: there does need to be some change to those bail laws.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: We did catch up with the Minister of a Territory
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Speaker 1: Famili's Kate Warden, earlier in the week. Now she had
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Speaker 1: said that the police have wanted those bail changes in
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Speaker 1: place when they are implemented, but We then spoke with
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Speaker 1: the Police Association's Paul McHugh.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what he had to say.
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Speaker 5: Whilst you know the Minister's saying there was wholeheard support
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Speaker 5: for that, I'm not sure that's.
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Speaker 4: Actually the case.
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Speaker 9: And I know the feedback we're getting from members on
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Speaker 9: the ground is, you know, it needs to be looked
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Speaker 9: out again because it's just not working right now.
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Speaker 1: So is it time for us to be looking at
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Speaker 1: these bail laws again. I mean, I would think that
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Speaker 1: we need to try to make it as as helpful
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Speaker 1: as possible for the Northern Territory Police to be able
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Speaker 1: to do their jobs. We all understand that the response
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Speaker 1: when it comes to crime, any crime, but specifically youth
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Speaker 1: crime as we've been talking about, you know, I understand
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Speaker 1: that it does need a real whole of government, all
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Speaker 1: agency approach. I think we all understand that. But I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about the pointy end here. You know,
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Speaker 1: when we've got a situation where there are you know,
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Speaker 1: to use an example, the rock throwing incident in the city,
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Speaker 1: or if we've got a situation where there are you know,
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Speaker 1: youths have broken into two numerous homes and the public
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Speaker 1: is feeling really very upset and like there does need
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Speaker 1: to be a consequence to that, you know, do we
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Speaker 1: need to look at this bail legislation and maybe modify thanks.
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Speaker 5: This is something that has come up through the Abitual
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Speaker 5: Justice Agreement draft that we are finalizing.
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Speaker 4: It is an area that.
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Speaker 5: Has come up through over one hundred and fifty consultations
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Speaker 5: across the Northern Territory that it is a piece of
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Speaker 5: legislation that needs reviewing very much. Look forward to the
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Speaker 5: work that will continue in the in the justice space
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Speaker 5: next year and for the four years of this term
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Speaker 5: of government, but it is an area that we're looking
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Speaker 5: to reform. Anyway we can do business better in the
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Speaker 5: Northern Territory, that we can continue to make territories feel
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Speaker 5: safe and be safe in the territory will be a
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Speaker 5: priority of this label is.
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Speaker 3: That to potentially reform some of these bail laws at
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Speaker 3: the moment, because I believe they only came into effect
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Speaker 3: within the last six or twelve months. So are the
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Speaker 3: government openly looking at going you know what, potentially we
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Speaker 3: made the wrong decision here and that's something that we
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Speaker 3: could reverse.
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Speaker 5: This is something that we look for when we're consulting
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Speaker 5: with key stakeholders, particularly the legal profession, what's actually practical
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Speaker 5: and when something is implemented through legislation, there is a
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Speaker 5: review process often and then if things are working well,
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Speaker 5: of course it's great, but we're not afraid to look
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Speaker 5: at amendments if we do need reform in the space
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Speaker 5: to do things better.
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Speaker 7: What I want to see and which I asked Kate Wooden,
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Speaker 7: the Minister of a Territory Family's Use Justice yesterday is
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Speaker 7: a review of the prescribed and non prescribed defenses under
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Speaker 7: the Use Justice Act. So how it works is if
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Speaker 7: you charge with a non prescribed defense, then you have
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Speaker 7: a a presumption in favor of balt so Baylor's geared
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Speaker 7: towards the offender if they're charged with something in that list. Now,
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Speaker 7: the list of prescribed defenses is incredibly severe, and I
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Speaker 7: think more of the types of crimes that are on
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Speaker 7: the non prescribed list need to move across into the
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Speaker 7: prescribed list so that at the very minimum us are
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Speaker 7: only having a neutral presumption so they rock up to
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Speaker 7: court and it could go either way. So there's a
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Speaker 7: lot of work that needs to be done here. We
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Speaker 7: need to be supporting our police. I mean, something that
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Speaker 7: came out of estimates this week. Is that, of course,
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Speaker 7: police are that agency that can't say no. Everyone else
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Speaker 7: can sort of kick the can around and you know,
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Speaker 7: push things off and let another agency take the load.
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Speaker 7: But ultimately the people left carrying the can are our
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Speaker 7: hard working police who are stretched to the absolute limits
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Speaker 7: at the moment. Not only have they got anywhere up
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Speaker 7: to one hundred people on borders and providing COVID response,
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Speaker 7: but we've already got challenges in remote policing, challenges to
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Speaker 7: keep you know, the number of cars we need out
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Speaker 7: on the road. Of course, we've got the Darwin Watchhouse
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Speaker 7: closed at the moment because of resourcing issues, so when
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Speaker 7: police make an arrest they've got to take them out
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Speaker 7: to the Palmerston Police station. We've seen all the challenges
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Speaker 7: in Alice Springs that are taking place, and so you know,
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Speaker 7: whilst the government talks about, you know, it's tackling these issues,
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Speaker 7: the evidence is just not on the ground. People don't
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Speaker 7: feel safe, people are seeing more and more terrible things happen,
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Speaker 7: and it's just an absolute lack of commitment on the
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Speaker 7: government's behalf.
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Speaker 6: To get this right.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to take a very short break. You are,
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Speaker 1: of course listening to Mix one oh four point nine.
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was and in the studio
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Speaker 1: with us this morning, Leafanochiro, Selena Rubo and Maddi.
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Speaker 9: Hepworth three sixties the week that was thanks to Kalana
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Speaker 9: caring for the community from the top End to Tenant Creek.
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Speaker 2: It is Friday, and it is the week that was.
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Speaker 1: In the studio with us this morning, Leofanochi Aro, Selena
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Speaker 1: Rubo and Maddie Hepworth. And I tell you what, Selena Ubo,
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Speaker 1: you gave a few people. You made a few people
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Speaker 1: a bit wild this week with the announcement that the
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Speaker 1: government's controversial changes to the Residential Tenancies Act are set
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Speaker 1: to be implemented, meaning the presumption in favor of rental
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Speaker 1: tenants keeping pets unless landlords have reasonable grounds to refuse
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Speaker 1: tenants requests. Now, we caught up with Quentin Killian from
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Speaker 1: the Real Estate Institute of the Northern Territory yesterday.
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Speaker 2: He has stood very firmly.
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Speaker 1: Against these changes, saying that it's going to bring out
17:31
Speaker 1: absolute chaos.
17:32
Speaker 2: Maddie had a few good lines yesterday on the show,
17:35
Speaker 2: didn't he.
17:36
Speaker 3: Lama's in Mamas in lound rooms, turtles in toilets, and
17:40
Speaker 3: I think there was a piece in the paper again
17:42
Speaker 3: today that said there could be have camels in your
17:45
Speaker 3: backyard camels that was the line possibilities.
17:50
Speaker 1: Well, and look, I guess that was the concern from
17:53
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners throughout the week.
17:54
Speaker 2: They were worried, you know, And I think it really
17:57
Speaker 2: came down to.
17:58
Speaker 1: They feel as though the voice as homeowners, if they've
18:02
Speaker 1: got a property that they rent, that the choice has
18:05
Speaker 1: been taken away from them. And you know, there are
18:07
Speaker 1: a lot of property owners who would be more than
18:09
Speaker 1: happy to rent their homes out or their units out
18:12
Speaker 1: to people who.
18:12
Speaker 2: Maybe do have a dog or a cat.
18:15
Speaker 1: But again they felt as though that choice had been
18:17
Speaker 1: taken from them.
18:19
Speaker 2: Minister, why was this change implemented?
18:22
Speaker 5: So this actually, this piece of legislation actually passed in
18:25
Speaker 5: February of this year in the previous legislative assembly. The
18:30
Speaker 5: enactment of it, the commencement of the act was delayed
18:34
Speaker 5: because of COVID. We had urgent legislation which we had
18:37
Speaker 5: to put through obviously because we're in a global pandemic.
18:40
Speaker 4: So this was changes that were coming.
18:43
Speaker 5: The amendments to this particular piece of legislation over eighteen
18:48
Speaker 5: years old, so it hadn't been reviewed in over eighteen years.
18:51
Speaker 5: It'll commence on the first of January. That section is
18:54
Speaker 5: one section of the Tennessee Act, which is obviously the
18:57
Speaker 5: high community interest in that area.
18:59
Speaker 4: There's other part.
19:00
Speaker 5: Arts of the Act which are also amended, which is
19:02
Speaker 5: a big body of work. So I just want to
19:04
Speaker 5: acknowledge that I know Quentin is a very strong advocate
19:07
Speaker 5: for the stakeholders that he represents through his membership. Our
19:10
Speaker 5: job of government is to represent all territories.
19:13
Speaker 1: Was there a push from anybody to actually have this
19:16
Speaker 1: change because it seemed to me like it's not broken,
19:19
Speaker 1: Why does it need to be fixed that particular part
19:22
Speaker 1: of the Act.
19:23
Speaker 5: What we're concentrated on, of course, is representing the whole
19:26
Speaker 5: of community when we're doing anything that is in the books.
19:30
Speaker 1: Like a group, was there a group that came forward
19:32
Speaker 1: that said we really want this section of the Act changed.
19:36
Speaker 5: What we've tried to do through the amendments of this
19:38
Speaker 5: legislation is ensure that there is a balance that is
19:42
Speaker 5: struck between tenants and landlords. We know the benefit of pets,
19:45
Speaker 5: we know the social emotional wellbeing benefits which we've seen,
19:48
Speaker 5: particularly through COVID.
19:49
Speaker 4: I think that's been quite obvious.
19:52
Speaker 5: What we've wanted to do is make sure that we
19:54
Speaker 5: have tenants and landlords represented fairly through this. And this
19:58
Speaker 5: is the balance that we've been out with.
20:00
Speaker 1: Tell you what, though, there's a lot of landlords who
20:02
Speaker 1: would be thinking, well, this isn't fair for me. I'm
20:04
Speaker 1: shouldering all the I'm shouldering all the risk, I'm shouldering
20:08
Speaker 1: the responsibility in terms of obviously owning that home, paying
20:12
Speaker 1: for the council rates, paying for everything else that's associated
20:15
Speaker 1: to having that property. And now that choice has been
20:19
Speaker 1: taken away from me.
20:19
Speaker 5: And I just why you just want to clear this up, Katie.
20:23
Speaker 5: It is still the choice of landlords of who rents.
20:26
Speaker 6: Still properties Rummish.
20:27
Speaker 5: The process of being able to go through those applications
20:31
Speaker 5: is still at the other day, the choice your choice.
20:34
Speaker 1: If somebody is living in your property and they decide,
20:37
Speaker 1: all right, well, I want to get a pet. Now
20:39
Speaker 1: I've been living here for three months and I actually
20:41
Speaker 1: want to get a pet, is it the choice of
20:43
Speaker 1: the landlord?
20:44
Speaker 6: There no.
20:45
Speaker 5: If the landlord feels that it is an unreasonable request,
20:48
Speaker 5: they have the right to go through the process, the
20:50
Speaker 5: mechanisms and take that.
20:52
Speaker 1: But to see that's the whole thing, Like then you go, well,
20:54
Speaker 1: then you've got a situation as a landlord where if
20:56
Speaker 1: then your tenant goes and buys a pet, you then
21:00
Speaker 1: you don't actually have a leg to stand on.
21:02
Speaker 2: You've got to then go through that process.
21:04
Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to get at is I don't
21:06
Speaker 1: understand why it was changed. And that's the question that
21:09
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners are asking. And I think
21:12
Speaker 1: that most responsible homeowners are more than happy to rent
21:16
Speaker 1: their homes out to people with pets if that's their choice.
21:20
Speaker 2: But you know what, if.
21:20
Speaker 1: You're somebody who owns a home, you're away for a year,
21:23
Speaker 1: you've decided to rent it out, you're severely allergic to animals,
21:27
Speaker 1: and somebody moves in who doesn't have a pet, then
21:30
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, three months later, they've got one,
21:32
Speaker 1: and you don't have an option of getting rid of it.
21:34
Speaker 5: There will still be conditions to those applications which will
21:37
Speaker 5: go through to the landlords. They will have the ultimate say,
21:40
Speaker 5: there's just a mechanism now in place to be able
21:43
Speaker 5: to go through the process.
21:46
Speaker 1: I can see Leah shaking her head. I'll let you,
21:48
Speaker 1: I'll let you have a crown.
21:51
Speaker 6: In and tell the truth about this.
21:54
Speaker 7: What an absolute crop. Honestly, God, this is what the
21:58
Speaker 7: situation is. The government pass this legislation in February under
22:02
Speaker 7: the cover of COVID. It did not commence it into
22:07
Speaker 7: law because it came under enormous pressure eight thousand signatories
22:11
Speaker 7: to a petition, huge public backlash. So what happened coincidentally
22:15
Speaker 7: between February and now an election.
22:17
Speaker 6: That's why they buried this.
22:18
Speaker 7: The election's over, they won, and it's read it's ugly
22:21
Speaker 7: head again. What this law means is that a tenant
22:24
Speaker 7: can have a pet in their home. If the landlord
22:27
Speaker 7: does not want that pet, the landlord has to take
22:30
Speaker 7: the matter to the nt CAT so to a tribunal,
22:34
Speaker 7: to then wait their term, pay their fees, make their
22:37
Speaker 7: submissions to the tribunal. The tenant also has to go along.
22:40
Speaker 7: This adds red tape, cost, stress and struggle for everyone involved.
22:45
Speaker 7: This is not just landlords who suffer. The tenant has
22:47
Speaker 7: to then rock up. They both have to make their
22:50
Speaker 7: case and ultimately the tribunal can decide whether or not
22:53
Speaker 7: it's reasonable for that pet to be in the property.
22:56
Speaker 2: Can you correct me? Can someone correct me if I'm
22:58
Speaker 2: wrong here?
22:59
Speaker 1: I thought that there was a scrutiny committee that recommended
23:02
Speaker 1: that this not go through, and then it still went through.
23:06
Speaker 1: So again I go back to I just can't understand
23:09
Speaker 1: why the change was implemented. It seemed to me at
23:12
Speaker 1: the time and I know that this was something that
23:13
Speaker 1: was raised at the time. Is that it had happened
23:16
Speaker 1: in Victoria. It seemed to be quite popular for Daniel Andrews,
23:19
Speaker 1: the premiere down there, and it seemed as though the
23:22
Speaker 1: government thought, all right, well, this is something that we
23:24
Speaker 1: can do that's going to get the popular vote.
23:26
Speaker 2: But it hasn't. I don't think in the territory.
23:29
Speaker 5: It has gone through in similar jurisdictions, with Victoria and
23:33
Speaker 5: the Australian Capital Territory a sixty similar jurisdictions.
23:37
Speaker 2: Is that why we did it though, just to sort
23:39
Speaker 2: of follow suits.
23:40
Speaker 5: Not to follow and Dan There are progressive jurisdictions and
23:44
Speaker 5: there hasn't been a decrease in regards to the rental
23:47
Speaker 5: market in those jurisdictions since the passing of their legislation.
23:51
Speaker 5: Northern Territory, we look at the Northern territories context. But
23:54
Speaker 5: I do want to point out Katie the leader of
23:56
Speaker 5: the opposition, did mention the petition of eight thousand of
23:59
Speaker 5: signatory twenty percent with territory nineteen percent interstate addresses exact
24:06
Speaker 5: sty one percent from overseas. So it's very disingenuous.
24:10
Speaker 4: No, it's not.
24:11
Speaker 7: This shows how incompetent your government represents.
24:13
Speaker 6: Do you know where a lot of inns.
24:15
Speaker 5: When over sixty one percent of those signatories to that
24:19
Speaker 5: petition that was presented in a Northern territory parliament were
24:22
Speaker 5: not from.
24:22
Speaker 7: The your government has shown all idea. That's why business
24:26
Speaker 7: confidence is in the toilet. That's where our economy is
24:28
Speaker 7: in the toilet, and that's why our budgets in the toilet.
24:31
Speaker 6: Investors come from everywhere, and you, your government, your government
24:37
Speaker 6: is sending a message.
24:39
Speaker 7: Your labor government is following your Maine chairman Dan in Victoria.
24:43
Speaker 7: Investors come from everywhere. There are territory investors Mum and dad,
24:46
Speaker 7: property investors who are now worried.
24:48
Speaker 8: Territory are you talking are talking about talking about you
24:53
Speaker 8: can bury your head in the German territory bucket that
24:57
Speaker 8: you live in. The giants stand genu your head even
25:01
Speaker 8: further down if you want, Can I just say, though
25:06
Speaker 8: that petition then you guys didn't allow that petition though
25:09
Speaker 8: to be presented in parliament, did you. That's right, they
25:11
Speaker 8: blocked it and I had to bring it back on
25:12
Speaker 8: another occasion.
25:13
Speaker 2: But what I look from me, I don't really.
25:18
Speaker 6: About what are you talking about this?
25:20
Speaker 2: We're not from the territory. That's what I'm talking about.
25:23
Speaker 7: I take a lot of nobody else invest in the
25:27
Speaker 7: territory because.
25:28
Speaker 6: I've got news for you.
25:30
Speaker 4: You percent of territories with signatories that.
25:35
Speaker 1: People tell me on this show, I will go on
25:38
Speaker 1: what people tell me on this show, and I can
25:41
Speaker 1: tell you yesterday we maybe had two people who called
25:44
Speaker 1: that were supportive of this change. Everybody else was very
25:47
Speaker 1: much wondering why on earth it had changed. Now, I
25:50
Speaker 1: want to point out that I've got I've got investment properties,
25:53
Speaker 1: not here in the territory, but in other states. I'm
25:56
Speaker 1: more than happy for those people who rent, you know,
25:59
Speaker 1: who rent those one of those homes to have a
26:01
Speaker 1: pet don't have an issue with.
26:03
Speaker 2: It at all.
26:03
Speaker 6: But it's my choice, that's right.
26:05
Speaker 2: And that's the thing that.
26:08
Speaker 6: Isn't your choice.
26:09
Speaker 2: That is a lie.
26:11
Speaker 6: That is a lie.
26:12
Speaker 1: It's not your Childregation acknowledge though that it can be
26:19
Speaker 1: incredibly difficult for that homeowner then to go through nt CASH.
26:24
Speaker 1: If they do end up in a situation where somebody
26:26
Speaker 1: moves into that home who didn't have a pitch, and
26:29
Speaker 1: then they obviously get a pitch and the owner that's
26:33
Speaker 1: maybe against the owner's wishes, it's going to be a
26:36
Speaker 1: really cumbersome and difficult process then for them to go
26:39
Speaker 1: through to be able to actually take any action.
26:43
Speaker 5: The process is clear, it's straightforward. On the flip side,
26:47
Speaker 5: what is the process?
26:48
Speaker 4: Do you even know what tenants have been having to do?
26:50
Speaker 4: So this is the flip side. So we've had this.
26:52
Speaker 5: We have more tenants than we do landlords in the
26:55
Speaker 5: Northern Territory, so this is striking a fair balance that
26:58
Speaker 5: they now have this process very clearly. With the end
27:02
Speaker 5: of the day, the decision is the landlord who rents
27:05
Speaker 5: all is living and it's just not true.
27:07
Speaker 4: There is a clear process.
27:08
Speaker 2: So there's not going to be any you're not going
27:10
Speaker 2: to relook at this.
27:11
Speaker 1: You're going you're not going to sort of to our
27:14
Speaker 1: listeners out there today that do own properties that are
27:17
Speaker 1: really concerned about this. There's not going to be a review.
27:20
Speaker 1: This is a done deal. It's going ahead on January one.
27:23
Speaker 5: It passed in February, Katie, and it is being enacted
27:26
Speaker 5: on the first of January, Katie.
27:27
Speaker 6: Can I just say a couple of things.
27:28
Speaker 7: Prior to this law, what the situation was is that
27:31
Speaker 7: a tenant could negotiate freely with a landlord. So tenant
27:35
Speaker 7: would go to landlord and say, oh, I've got a dog,
27:37
Speaker 7: I've got a cat, I've got budgies, whatever it might be,
27:40
Speaker 7: and it was then up to the landlord to say
27:42
Speaker 7: yes or no. Now what has happened is that has
27:45
Speaker 7: completely shifted. The tenant can have the pet and if
27:48
Speaker 7: the landlord doesn't want it, they all have to trot
27:51
Speaker 7: off to NTCT and a protracted, expensive and obviously you know,
27:55
Speaker 7: adversarial situation. This has removed the rights of people to
28:00
Speaker 7: engage in those negotiations, and of course it's government overreach
28:05
Speaker 7: at its best. It's now going into the lives of
28:07
Speaker 7: people who own investment properties.
28:09
Speaker 6: And that is one huge part of it.
28:11
Speaker 7: The second part, which the Attorney General clearly doesn't understand,
28:15
Speaker 7: is about the message it sends about the territory being
28:17
Speaker 7: an investment jurisdiction. Now, when you want money flows to
28:22
Speaker 7: the path of least resistance, and when people are looking
28:24
Speaker 7: at where they should park their money, we need the
28:27
Speaker 7: territory to be a great place to invest. That means
28:29
Speaker 7: less red tape, in which this increases red tape exponentially.
28:33
Speaker 7: It means investor confidence and certainty. This does not create
28:37
Speaker 7: certainty because of course, someone wanting to buy a property
28:40
Speaker 7: here is now questioning what control they have. And this government,
28:45
Speaker 7: in making these laws has not brought in any buffer
28:49
Speaker 7: to support additional bonds, additional other processes which other jurisdictions
28:55
Speaker 7: have to ensure that people can recoup more if there
28:58
Speaker 7: is damage to their property from an animal.
29:01
Speaker 2: Can I just.
29:02
Speaker 1: Ask minister, does this also include public housing?
29:06
Speaker 4: Public housing already has the option to have pets.
29:10
Speaker 2: So you can just have a pet. You don't have
29:12
Speaker 2: it as.
29:12
Speaker 5: Long as it adheres to the by laws of that
29:15
Speaker 5: council or that municipality.
29:17
Speaker 1: So you don't have to get any kind of approval
29:19
Speaker 1: to be in public housing with a pitch, as.
29:21
Speaker 4: Long as it's within the by laws of the council
29:23
Speaker 4: or that public housing.
29:24
Speaker 3: So on, yeah, I'll just jump here and as a
29:28
Speaker 3: renter and say, look, I was surprised at it. Obviously
29:32
Speaker 3: as a renter, it would favor me. But if I
29:34
Speaker 3: looked at realistically where I live now, in a two
29:38
Speaker 3: bedroom apartment on the tenth floor of a city apartment,
29:41
Speaker 3: body corporate rules would override this legislation at the moment anyway,
29:47
Speaker 3: But it would also be incredibly impractical for me to say,
29:51
Speaker 3: then go and get a great day tomorrow. But the
29:54
Speaker 3: legislation now would say, well, if you want that great
29:56
Speaker 3: day and in your two.
29:57
Speaker 2: Bedroom city apart got.
30:00
Speaker 3: Assuming that you know there were no body corporate laws
30:02
Speaker 3: in place to say that, that would just be incredibly impractical.
30:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there in lies the issue, or there
30:08
Speaker 1: in lies the concerns that people have got. But look,
30:11
Speaker 1: we're going to take a very short break. Still plenty
30:13
Speaker 1: to cover off. We know it's been estimates this week,
30:16
Speaker 1: and some interesting bits and pieces of information to come out.
30:19
Speaker 1: Will take a very short break. You are listening to
30:21
Speaker 1: Mix one oh four point nine's three sixty.
30:23
Speaker 9: It is the week that was three sixties, the week
30:25
Speaker 9: that was thanks to Kolana caring for the community. From
30:28
Speaker 9: the top End to Tenant Creek.
30:30
Speaker 1: It is just eighteen minutes away from ten o'clock and
30:33
Speaker 1: the crews in here with me for the week that was.
30:36
Speaker 1: I tell you what, there's always plenty of interesting information
30:38
Speaker 1: that comes out during estimates week and no shortage of questions. Lea,
30:44
Speaker 1: I tell you what, you could be a journalist, mate,
30:46
Speaker 1: if you weren't a politician. What's a question say to us?
30:53
Speaker 6: After?
30:56
Speaker 1: And there was well, there was some really interesting bits
30:59
Speaker 1: and pieces of info that came out. I was really
31:01
Speaker 1: interested in the fact that the underground car park, obviously
31:05
Speaker 1: next to Northern Territory Parliament, that it blew out by
31:08
Speaker 1: more than seven million dollars. Look to me, I thought
31:13
Speaker 1: that was a phenomenal amount of taxpayers dollars that we
31:15
Speaker 1: weren't aware of. So essentially I was of the understanding
31:20
Speaker 1: that it was going to cost nineteen point four million dollars. However,
31:24
Speaker 1: it was revealed and the ABC ran this story. ABC
31:27
Speaker 1: News ran this story earlier in the week. It was
31:29
Speaker 1: revealed at that budget estimates on Tuesday evening that the
31:32
Speaker 1: total cost of that car park ended up being twenty
31:36
Speaker 1: six point seven million dollars. It was due to to asbestos,
31:42
Speaker 1: as I understand it, but look, I you know, I
31:45
Speaker 1: just wonder if there's ways that we can actually manage
31:49
Speaker 1: tendering slightly differently.
31:52
Speaker 2: So that we don't end up with this kind of blowout.
31:54
Speaker 1: I mean, if this was a private project, somebody would
31:59
Speaker 1: be in a lot.
31:59
Speaker 6: Of travel, Absolutely they would.
32:02
Speaker 7: And this above ground underground car park has just been
32:06
Speaker 7: I bet the government's regretting every.
32:07
Speaker 6: Wanting to build it.
32:08
Speaker 7: It has just been saga after saga, And of course
32:12
Speaker 7: you know, we've asked the minister a number of times
32:14
Speaker 7: and most recently and I think s the estimates. Just
32:17
Speaker 7: before Parliament we asked Minister Lawla how much did this
32:20
Speaker 7: thing cost? And she said nineteen million dollars in lo
32:23
Speaker 7: and behold, just a couple of months later, it's now
32:25
Speaker 7: twenty six million, a seven million dollar blowout. And I
32:29
Speaker 7: don't know if it's as much to do with the
32:31
Speaker 7: tendering as it is the government digging its heels in
32:33
Speaker 7: and not wanting to have egg on its face. We
32:36
Speaker 7: all saw this thing being built. We were all told
32:38
Speaker 7: it was going to have flat grass on the top.
32:40
Speaker 7: And then I remember Katie, I think we were on
32:41
Speaker 7: week there was and we said started talking about, oh,
32:44
Speaker 7: can you see structures coming out of the ground, And
32:46
Speaker 7: then sure, enough the structures started being built. Then we
32:49
Speaker 7: asked in Parliament, all what's going on with the car
32:52
Speaker 7: park and we were told it was going to be
32:53
Speaker 7: a sculpture garden and then it became a giant mountain.
32:56
Speaker 7: And that's where seven million dollars gets you.
32:59
Speaker 2: Well, look, it's just a huge blowout. I mean when
33:02
Speaker 2: you look at things like that, that's seven million.
33:04
Speaker 1: Dollars and like I said, it's taxpayers dollars. When I
33:07
Speaker 1: know that they're different buckets of money. But for me,
33:10
Speaker 1: I always go back to you know, earlier this week
33:12
Speaker 1: we had people calling through who've had real issues getting
33:15
Speaker 1: through the health system, trying to get to see the
33:18
Speaker 1: pain management team because they're being told that it's understaffed. Now,
33:22
Speaker 1: when you look at those different buckets of money, again,
33:24
Speaker 1: I understand that they are different. But when you look
33:27
Speaker 1: at the way that people are feeling at the moment
33:29
Speaker 1: in terms of maybe not being able to get the
33:31
Speaker 1: health care that they're chasing, and then you see that
33:34
Speaker 1: seven million dollars has been blown out on a car park,
33:38
Speaker 1: it makes people question priorities and you know, you think
33:42
Speaker 1: to yourself, you want to make sure if you live
33:45
Speaker 1: here in the territory that you're able to get that
33:47
Speaker 1: health care and you're able to get whatever care you need,
33:50
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's for your children or whether it's fearself.
33:53
Speaker 1: And it just seems like a misuse of fun.
33:56
Speaker 7: It is and this is why we have eight point
33:57
Speaker 7: four billion dollars dead, Katie, because something like a car
34:00
Speaker 7: park can blow out by seven million dollars. We had
34:03
Speaker 7: a bus stop being moved on cabin Igh Street. The
34:05
Speaker 7: bus stop got moved to another spot and then moved
34:07
Speaker 7: back to the same spot it started with and that
34:09
Speaker 7: was nearly five hundred thousand dollars.
34:11
Speaker 6: Of course, we've got the twelve million for the grand Stand.
34:13
Speaker 6: The list goes on and on and on.
34:15
Speaker 7: And this government talks about people having to do it tough, well,
34:18
Speaker 7: they've got to be responsible about their spending too, and
34:20
Speaker 7: that's when we talk about waste. This is exactly what
34:23
Speaker 7: we're talking about. Seven million dollars is a waste that
34:26
Speaker 7: is an a grade first class waste of money.
34:29
Speaker 6: And this government doesn't care.
34:30
Speaker 7: It's not changing its ways and that's why we've got
34:32
Speaker 7: eight point four billion dollars debt.
34:34
Speaker 1: Well, Minister, one of the areas where a lot of
34:36
Speaker 1: people are wondering about cost is at the Darwin Correctional Center.
34:41
Speaker 5: Now, can I just add to the under go for
34:43
Speaker 5: a park just one underground above ground car park. Well,
34:46
Speaker 5: actually it was advertised as one of the COLP points
34:49
Speaker 5: for if you want to be an advisor for the
34:51
Speaker 5: country Liberal here.
34:52
Speaker 6: We go, now you're running.
34:54
Speaker 5: You get an underground car park and the new government's
34:56
Speaker 5: underground was undercover car park.
34:58
Speaker 4: Thank you. Three front and sentention.
35:03
Speaker 2: Diversion.
35:04
Speaker 6: Where do you find a seven million?
35:07
Speaker 2: The interest rate?
35:08
Speaker 5: I want to point out to listeners close to three
35:10
Speaker 5: million of that seven million dollars was unexpected costs in
35:15
Speaker 5: regards to the removal of asbestos. We know the health
35:17
Speaker 5: issues around asbestos. There are variations on projects. Unfortunately they
35:22
Speaker 5: can be unforeseen. This is one area in particular.
35:24
Speaker 2: It's a massive variation.
35:27
Speaker 5: An important one to note that part of that in
35:30
Speaker 5: terms of asbestos and the legacy that we have unfortunately
35:33
Speaker 5: because of that major issue in that and that health
35:36
Speaker 5: issue that comes with asbestos was the safe removal of
35:40
Speaker 5: it from the site.
35:41
Speaker 1: Is there close some kind of safeguard in place in
35:44
Speaker 1: terms of the Miley Point playground that's being developed, because
35:47
Speaker 1: I think the concern then is you know, you look
35:50
Speaker 1: at Parliament House obviously you know you expect that there
35:53
Speaker 1: is going to be a spestos in that area. I
35:55
Speaker 1: think anybody expects when they build or when they do
35:57
Speaker 1: any project in the Northern Territory that it's going to
35:59
Speaker 1: be a fact.
36:00
Speaker 2: But at point it's going to be a massive issue Boston.
36:04
Speaker 5: Of course, that's why you estimate for a project. There
36:07
Speaker 5: are variations for projects. Sometimes they're unforeseen and then it's
36:11
Speaker 5: a matter of sometimes how deep something like that may go,
36:15
Speaker 5: if it's to do with as bestos or another issues.
36:17
Speaker 7: What was the other four mentions? So three million was
36:20
Speaker 7: for best what was.
36:21
Speaker 4: The other four million? You spent the time asking an estimate?
36:24
Speaker 4: Was it No?
36:25
Speaker 7: I know you don't want to answer questions, but what
36:26
Speaker 7: was the other four million? Was it the mountain? Did
36:28
Speaker 7: the mountain cost four million dollars?
36:30
Speaker 4: Mountain?
36:30
Speaker 6: Didn't cost the mountain?
36:33
Speaker 5: This also is a big part of the Darwin Cities Deal,
36:37
Speaker 5: which is.
36:38
Speaker 4: Is supported by the federal government.
36:40
Speaker 5: So the state Civic Square development and all of that
36:44
Speaker 5: precinct which will add value to the territory. And more importantly,
36:47
Speaker 5: Katie has provided territories with jobs during that work, So look,
36:53
Speaker 5: what was that other four million or I won't I
36:56
Speaker 5: don't have that detail. I'm not the infrastructure minister, and
36:59
Speaker 5: I would hope that the opposition.
37:00
Speaker 1: Leader look certainly not an expert in this space. But
37:07
Speaker 1: was there no prior like geo technical work to actually
37:12
Speaker 1: work out how much asbestos was there? Because I know
37:15
Speaker 1: that like any project, especially of a huge nature like
37:19
Speaker 1: digging into the ground like that, I would have thought
37:21
Speaker 1: that there'd be some of that work done prior so
37:24
Speaker 1: that you've got an idea whether there is going to
37:26
Speaker 1: be a major blowouts.
37:28
Speaker 5: But I wouldn't have the details because again I apologize it.
37:31
Speaker 5: There is minister responsible for that particular technico, but it
37:36
Speaker 5: is something that is looked at. And again the variations
37:39
Speaker 5: to major projects, it does happen.
37:41
Speaker 2: All right.
37:41
Speaker 1: Let's move along to one which you certainly do have
37:44
Speaker 1: the details on, and that is that repair work and
37:46
Speaker 1: obviously the work at the Darwin Correctional Center following on
37:49
Speaker 1: from that major riot that happened well quite a few
37:52
Speaker 1: months ago, over six months ago. Now the cleanup course
37:55
Speaker 1: have already hit two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. How
38:00
Speaker 1: much is it going to cost to fix that Correctional Center.
38:04
Speaker 5: So, Katie, this is an area that is under insurance
38:08
Speaker 5: claim at the moment.
38:09
Speaker 4: We did speak to this in estimates community.
38:11
Speaker 5: I know that there is interest, of course in the
38:13
Speaker 5: community to the damage that was called cause through that
38:16
Speaker 5: major incident in May. The Corrections Commissioner did speak to
38:21
Speaker 5: this this week that some works in terms of the
38:24
Speaker 5: cleanup as underway, as you've pointed out, and the costings
38:27
Speaker 5: there the overall costing for the particular infrastructure and the
38:33
Speaker 5: site is under insurance claim, so we're hoping we'll have
38:36
Speaker 5: more detail once that insurance claim goes through, but work
38:39
Speaker 5: has already started to prepare for the rehabilitation of the infrastructure.
38:43
Speaker 3: The government have any figures at all because at the moment,
38:45
Speaker 3: the rumor mill and this happened in May, you know
38:48
Speaker 3: when it was has been an overdrive from I've heard
38:51
Speaker 3: fifteen million, twenty million, forty million, even even as high
38:55
Speaker 3: as fifty million, and those figures have been reported across
38:58
Speaker 3: different media outlets as well. Because we're not getting answers
39:02
Speaker 3: from the government. So do the government, Yeah, a ballpark figure.
39:06
Speaker 5: I'm not going to give a ballpark figure because again
39:08
Speaker 5: it is under insurance claim. So it is working through
39:11
Speaker 5: all the details. Just like any insurance claim. This happens
39:13
Speaker 5: to be a much bigger and more complex and larger insurance.
39:16
Speaker 6: Well, how much has been spent to day?
39:19
Speaker 4: I thought you were asking questions and estimates.
39:21
Speaker 6: You got this to estimates. You're in life rightio. People
39:24
Speaker 6: are sitting there listening to you.
39:26
Speaker 7: Your chance to well, if you haven't to say it,
39:28
Speaker 7: you're already you're going to tell listeners.
39:30
Speaker 6: To go and get answer.
39:31
Speaker 4: We're asking about a ballpark figure, and I'm.
39:33
Speaker 2: Not going to know.
39:34
Speaker 4: I didn't.
39:34
Speaker 6: I said how much has been spent to day?
39:36
Speaker 5: I don't have that in front of me, and I'm
39:38
Speaker 5: sure you'll get it to you after many hours the
39:41
Speaker 5: same question.
39:42
Speaker 2: At the end of the day.
39:43
Speaker 1: Though, we are talking about a facility which is essentially
39:47
Speaker 1: owned by the territory tax payer. We must have an
39:50
Speaker 1: idea about how much it's actually going to cost to
39:54
Speaker 1: get it back up to scratch. I know that the
39:57
Speaker 1: cleanup bill is obviously two hundred and fifty grand, which
39:59
Speaker 1: is phenomenal amount of money. And then you know, when
40:03
Speaker 1: you talk about how much damage is done, I've been
40:06
Speaker 1: told that that damage is extensive.
40:08
Speaker 2: Please correct me if I'm wrong.
40:10
Speaker 5: I have seen the sight and there was extensive damage,
40:13
Speaker 5: which is why the insurance claim is quite extensive. We're
40:15
Speaker 5: to ensure that we have all the details that go
40:18
Speaker 5: through it and that we are able to get as
40:21
Speaker 5: much through that insurance claim covered as possible.
40:25
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to give you a figure when.
40:27
Speaker 2: You release the figure.
40:28
Speaker 6: When you know the figure.
40:29
Speaker 5: Of course, it's not something we're going to hide. It's
40:31
Speaker 5: something that we want to make sure that that facility
40:34
Speaker 5: has the infrastructure replaced that is needed so our corrections
40:38
Speaker 5: officers can continue to do the job that they do
40:40
Speaker 5: in protecting community and protecting the vulnerable population in the prison.
40:44
Speaker 2: Now, just one other.
40:45
Speaker 1: Thing that came out of estimates that a few in
40:48
Speaker 1: the media are a bit interested in is apparently the
40:50
Speaker 1: Health Minister mistakenly claimed that the Catherine Catherine does not
40:54
Speaker 1: have a newspaper. Now, this is obviously your neck of
40:57
Speaker 1: the woods, Selena. She clearly hasn't read the wonderful Catherine Times.
41:02
Speaker 5: I think something that I would like to say that
41:04
Speaker 5: Catherine Times they have moved a lot to online, which
41:08
Speaker 5: is fantastic.
41:09
Speaker 4: I know my dad, who.
41:10
Speaker 5: Lives here in Darwin, is a subscriber to the Catherine Times.
41:13
Speaker 5: He regularly reads their articles. I quite enjoy I know
41:16
Speaker 5: a lot of the locals, not just in Catherine but
41:18
Speaker 5: the surrounding Big Rivers region do enjoy the Catherine Times newspaper.
41:23
Speaker 2: You may come to get one subscription. Scene comes out once.
41:26
Speaker 5: A week, but I think a lot of people are
41:28
Speaker 5: doing business online and Catherine Times is adjusted to that
41:32
Speaker 5: as well, and they're doing a great job.
41:33
Speaker 2: We are going to have to go to break. But Lea,
41:35
Speaker 2: I just want to ask very quickly.
41:37
Speaker 1: I know you asked quite a few questions or are
41:39
Speaker 1: the colp asked quite a few questions about the Dan
41:42
Speaker 1: Murphy's legislation.
41:44
Speaker 2: Did you get very far?
41:46
Speaker 7: We don't usually get very far in questioning labor ministers, Katie.
41:49
Speaker 7: I'm sorry about that, Natasha Files.
41:58
Speaker 6: She was blocking. She had her arms above her head
42:01
Speaker 6: and across.
42:01
Speaker 2: And saying no deal, no deal.
42:06
Speaker 4: Friday.
42:07
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, small business minister is dealing with Dan's, Katie,
42:10
Speaker 7: because Dan's is a small business and the alcohol Minister
42:13
Speaker 7: wants nothing to do with this one.
42:14
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a very short break.
42:16
Speaker 2: It is just seven minutes away from.
42:18
Speaker 9: Ten o'clock three sixties. The week that was thanks to
42:21
Speaker 9: Kolana caring for the community from the top end to
42:24
Speaker 9: tenant Craig.
42:25
Speaker 1: Well, that is just about it for the week that
42:28
Speaker 1: was this morning. Of course, we've got Lea Finocchio, Selena
42:30
Speaker 1: Rubo and Mattie Hepworth in the studio now, no, Leah,
42:34
Speaker 1: you'll be back next Friday. For the week that was
42:36
Speaker 1: all the year that was, it'll just about me. Selena,
42:40
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you coming in this morning making your debut.
42:43
Speaker 1: Are you staying in the territory for your Christmas holidays?
42:46
Speaker 1: I know the chiefs caused a bit of a stirb,
42:48
Speaker 1: why not.
42:50
Speaker 4: Most of it? I will, Katie.
42:52
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to having Christmas here in dal with
42:54
Speaker 5: my family and some of my husband's family. Unfortunately, my
42:57
Speaker 5: father in law is quite ill, so we're going to
42:59
Speaker 5: visit him in South Australia for a week and then
43:01
Speaker 5: I'll get to spend the next week after that in
43:04
Speaker 5: beautiful Catherine.
43:05
Speaker 2: Oh good stuff.
43:10
Speaker 1: Exist Well, Maddie Hepworth will get the latest in local
43:13
Speaker 1: news from you very shortly. But well, Leah and Selena,
43:17
Speaker 1: we really appreciate your time this morning. We'll speak to
43:19
Speaker 1: you both again very soon, you too, and you are
43:23
Speaker 1: listening to Mix one O four point nine's three Sixties.
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Speaker 2: Still plenty more coming your way after ten o'clock